Meet the McDonnell F2H Banshee US Navy Jet Fighter - 1948
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Produced by McDonnell aircraft, this film served as an introduction to their newest jet, the F2H2, and details it's numerous improvements over the companies first jet fighter, the FH-1 Phantom. You'll get a walk-around of the aircraft and see her doing spectacular aerobatics. Then you'll get a look inside the McDonnell assembly line to see FH2 construction and inside a Westinghouse engine plant to see production and testing of her compact yet powerful J34 axial flow turbojets. Finally, you'll see her high and low speed performance capabilities, including mock carrier landings and outstanding single engine performance. I restored this video. Get this film plus two more on our "Screamin' Banshees: The McDonnell F2H Goes to War" DVD.Includes an F2H pilots' manual. bit.ly/11MfDyg
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I loved the dark blue used on the early jets. The metal craftsmanship was insane. The curves and fit and finis done in areas are beautiful to behold .
er, isn't this video in black and white?
tachikoma kusanagi yes it is, but the USN painted its combat aircraft dark blue.
Dark sea blue is the color!
tachikoma kusanagi Yes, but early Navy and Marine fighters were painted Gloss dark blue, I always loved that too.
You can see how they shaped the pieces at 5:10
My father worked on the Banshee. He said the plane had potential but was woefully underpowered.
So was the F9F
Always loved the early navy jets. They were works of art. My favorite will always be the Grumman Panther.
When I was a young boy in Vero Beach Florida there was one of these (or it may have been the Phantom) sitting in the city park. The plane was stripped of engines and equipment and was lying flat on the sand. As a small kid you could climb through the intake ports and all the way through the fuselage and out the openings for the exhausts. Us kids used to love playing in and on it. those were the days when a city could do things like that without people complaining about things like sharp metal edges, etc. Funny that I never got hurt playing in that thing. Probably long gone now...
You are right about the cities not being all paranoid about "sharp edges and all that". People have gotten a lot softer since .
I remember playing on a T-33 in a park somewhere in Northwest Iowa in 1965. Sadly the memory is a bit pained, as my parents were from Germany, and for some reason I had to wear Lederhosen (leather pants) and got teased painfully from the other kids at the park. I think that is why to this day I always dress in high end clothing, LOL. No one’s making fun of me now! 🙃
@@hertzair1186 Ouch. Sorry to hear about the Lederhosen. I spent two years in Augsburg in the Army so yes, I know what they are!
@@kl0wnkiller912 I would love to have a pair today to wear to an Oktoberfest party!
@@hertzair1186 I miss the chicken dance🙂
This has to be the most beautiful early jet fighter of them all. Those slick lines are absolutely marvelous! Also: I never knew it could "kneel". How cool is that!
Beautiful airplane design. You can see some of its innovations in today's aircraft. I wish they were available via surplus. It would be neat tosee some still flying.
Thanks for the great video! My dad flew these before I was born, it's cool to see them in flight.
Love these vintage jet videos….
Way to go Charles Warren Drake! Head of manufacturing, employee #3, and my grandfather! He was called “Red” on account of his hair and temperament. McDonnell always made the deadline.
Gotta love the "old" days. Testing the compressor spindle - blades spinning at high rate, loose clothing on the test engineer, and no protective cover! I wonder how many days they went without an injury.
At 2:13 and 4:40 there are views of the McDonnell Aircraft plant at the St Louis MO airport. I was very lucky to get a summer job in that very building in 1973 on an assignment working on the first blocks of what was then the brand-new F-15
Banshee was from irish legend .In gaelic Ban shi' means woman of the fairies,She would terrorise people with her howling when she appeared.
Great name for jet fighter.
My father flew these in the RCN. They called it the Lead Sled. It was notorious for brake failure and my daddy crashed two from landing with no brakes. The Banshee was so bad the Americans didn't want them, but oh hell, those Canadians will buy anything.
Canadians only care about “how many can we get for $X?” That’s why they think the F/A-18 over the F-35 is “smart”; “let’s get a jet on its final upgrade over one that’s just maturing”.
Also used by the Royal Canadian Navy back when we used carriers.
Canada had carriers?
@@kirtflesher1603 Yup. We has HMCS Bonaventure and HMCS Magnificent (ex RN Majestic class CVLs, and HMCS Warrior, the former British Colossus CVL. Bonaventure was in service until 1970.
@@kirtflesher1603 Three in total, the last being HMCS Bonaventure, a Majestic class carrier.
I never knew Canada had carriers. They had the AVRO Arrow too. That aircraft was the stuff.
You can’t land a banshee on a carrier that small! Hold my Canadian beer!
The Banshee was actually the initial choice as top cover for B-29's. They eventually made their rep as photo recon aircraft.
The Banshee was high tech for 1948 , look at how advanced the cockpit was versus WW2 piston engine fighters and it had boosted control surfaces. Mc Donnell hit a homerun with this jet ! 👍
What a beautiful machine
In 1948 the Westinghouse J-34 was state of the art turbojet technology. within a relatively short time, Westinghouse would see its J-40 program implode bringing jet engine development to a halt at Westinghouse.
Then GE took the jet engine to the finish line.
Kelly Johnson designed an axial flow engine with afterburner in the 1930s. But the Air Corp wanted nothing to do with it.
Mylate brother served on the Randolph (CV-15?) as an AH. Attached squadrons flew Banshee's, Panthers, and AD's. Joining in the early 1950's just after the Randolph received the angled flight deck. Narragansett Bay.
Back when there was real competition for military contracts.
Super documentaire!
Excellent efforts Zenos
This was a fantastic video! What a cool fighter.
'Yes the Westinghouse's J-34 gas turbine jet engine, a marvel of today's technology! We brighten your skies and your clothes - Westinghouse!'
+soaringtractor You are having a really hard time accepting that there are in fact talented people outside of the undeniably great nation of the US of A, which is really a pity since your nation can stand proud on the multitude of its own merits without the need for any petty history revisionism.
And remember, the US has less than 5% of the world's population, so why is it so hard to imagine that there would in fact be people with at least equal talent among the other 95%+ of humans?
The first axial flow jet engine *is* in fact a German design, but both Germany, the US and the British were developing axial-flow designs in parallel at about the same time. Axial compressors were not a new concept, but it is not until someone got the idea to use airfoils for the compressor blades - a British engineer by the name of Griffith was first to patent this in 1926 - that it was realized that it could be used to make a more efficient jet engine than the centrifugal-flow types that were developed in the 1930's.
The US did award contracts to several manufacturers in 1941 to develop axial-flow jet engines, but by that time Germany had had both their BMW 003 and Junkers Jumo 004 designs running for a year. The BMW 003 first flew in prototype Me 262's in 1942, while the first US axial-flow design (yes, the J30) first flew experimentally in 1944, and in a production fighter prototype in 1945 on the FH Phantom (note: not F2H, that was the designation for the Banshee).
soaringtractor You are not seeing the story in context. Nobody who knows anything about the subject denies that the US is the world's leading aviation nation today, and that it got there on its own merits. But it is dishonest to dismiss the origins of the technology just because you got patriotically butt-hurt.
You don't want the germans to have all the credit. I get that. Noboy who knows what they are talking about are giving them that, either.
But they *were* first, they were in fact YEARS ahead of the British and the US and the rest of the world, *despite* being in the middle of an extremely costly and resource-depleting war.
And they DESERVE credit for that.
Can you say for sure that absolutely *nothing* of German technology inspired the US military or US manufacturers? I don't think so.
I mean, it was well known that the technology was being developed. If nothing else there were both British and German pre-war patents, and as you rightly point out (I left that out of my previous comment because it turned out long enough as it was), even Whittle's design had an axial two-stage pre-compressor.
You keep coming back to the fact that the German engines didn't work "for shit".
Could that *possibly* have had anything to do with the fact that the Germans due to the war had very limited access to the advanced materials needed to make reliable hot sections, ball bearings and so on?
The technology the Germans developed was sound, and in fact for example both in Russia and France (that I can think of off hand, maybe in other nations as well), the German designs were studied and developed further after the war, when the victors got access to the designs and hardware.
Post war Germany could most certainly have continued building jet engines if they had had the incentive, but you really need to realize what state the country was in after the war - thir infrastructure, industry, cities, economy... everything was bombed to pieces... not to mention the millions and millions of people that died in the war, and with them their knowledge and labour contributions.
Using that as an argument suggesting inferior technology is either ignorant or dishonest.
So yes, credit is due to Westinghouse for their efforts on the J30 and J34 among others, but don't forget that at least three other US manufacturers of the era *failed* to deliver on that same contract.
This was cutting-edge technology back then (and still is; today's refinements and levels of performance and fuel economy must have looked like science fiction back in the 40s and 50s), and there is nothing wrong or shameful with not being first. You can still be the best in the end.
soaringtractor We all see things differently... Thanks for your insights and point of view. I shouldn't have called you a troll, I should have said that it is *my* *opinion* that you are trolling.
soaringtractor Oh, don't worry, I have done my research. I always do. Whenever I state something, even if I know it by heart, I double-check it with several on- and offline sources, for example my 1000+-volume aviation and military history library. I'm doubtful about the rest of youtube however... :-)
soaringtractor I suggest that you befriend him too, then. But tread carefully, not all that he says is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. (My day job involves working with clustered inverted indexing technologies as used by google and other search engines to index and rank natural language text.)
Obviously where Cessna got their inspiration for the original Citation: “straight wing? Underpowered? Ugly? That’s our jet boys!”
0:52 "...scoops....take in more air every minute than 42 tank cars"
"Hey Ernie....figure out how much air the scoops take in. Then compare it to a bus tire. No compare it to lung capacity. Hot air balloons.
Whatever...oh and use a slide rule."
You convinced me. I want one.
Great video
Even though the sound barrier was broken by Yeager in 1947 (my birth year), these Banshees still didnt go supersonic, as you can see by the fact that the wings arent swept back . Still, it's a hell of a beautiful machine. Seeing how much work it took to make just one of the engines was very exciting. Those 13 minutes literally flew by.
"Bullet proof windshield", well my dad said they had one come back on the carrier he was on with a arrow in the canopy!
Should have stayed away from North Sentinel Island
It was a spear
Bullet proof windshield. How's that hold up against the cannons the other side used.
Big Blue the “other side” had shitting sights and couldn’t hit anything.
Of course. It was bulletproof, not arrowproof.
Somewhat shocking to see the basic control surface an engine evolution that I so take for granted today
Back when fighter looked like fighters... and beautiful.
The voice-over announcer's pronunciation is funny ..'ban-SHEEE' (heavy on the 'she' part and with a lingering 'e' sound. Cool jet though; the iconic jet shape for me, for as toy jets went back in the '60s, that jet was what I played with when I was 7 or so. Thanks for the upload! GREAT!
Good video
remember those things flying over the house back in the `50s
The banshee not the first jet fighter to take off from a carrier. That honor goes to a few Navy-owned P-80s, although they were test planes while the Banshee was operational.
You mean the first American jet! Winkle Brown flew a Vampire off on 3rd December 1945.
Think the FJ-1 fury got the honors of first jet from a carrier ....at least on the west coast.
The FJ-1, as well as the P-80 were evaluation aircraft only and were tested for suitability for carrier operation, and were found deficient for that purpose. The Banshee was the first operational jet the Navy used on carriers.
That balance testing machine 7:18 that spins the compressor assembly is undoubtedly OSHA-approved. Nothing dangerous about that.
Don't worry too much, enough to stay away from the rotation planes of the blades... 😁
I bet they smoke a cigarettes at the lab too. Nothing out of the ordinary. Nowadays we are living in over stressed but "safe" enviroment.
Banshee pilots on their way to Korea were disappointed to see bomb racks bolted onto their fighters. They were looking forward to mixing it up with Migs instead of strafing and dropping bombs. Something tells me they would not have fared too well against the more advanced Mig 15.
The Banshee was a quite good aircraft. The only drawback was that it was a straight winged jet fighter in a world where swept winged fighters were superior. The best contribution the Banshee made was it was one of the forebears to the F4 Phantom.
When comparing land based aircraft with carrier aircraft, people tend to forget that the one thing most land based aircraft cannot do ( before you begin the rest of the comparison) is OPERATE! FROM A FUCKING CARRIER
Awesome video, thanks for posting! Do you have any similar videos for the F3H Demon? Love that airplane too!
For fans and experts of military aviation, in-the-know, this cheerful, optimistic depiction of the Banshee omits the major point. The Banshee's straight wings reveals it all. Straight wing jet fighters were limited in performance. Swept-wing jets flew much faster at higher subsonic speeds and could even achieve Mach 1 in a dive. The F-86A Sabre could achieve 650 mph. The straight wing Banshee would not come close. First generation, straight wing jet fighters of the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and British RAF would achieve about 580 mph. Only the swept wing fighters could reach into the mid-600s and better. The USAF F-84G Thunderjet was able to squeeze out 620 mph from its straight-wing design.
The Korean War clearly demonstrated that swept-wing fighter jets were here to stay. Straight wing fighter jets had their short-lived day, establishing the new paradigm of fighter combat aircraft. But the swept wing jets would rule the skies of air combat indefinitely.
美しい機体ですね😊さすがはMCDonnellですね🎉
I always thought that plane was more of a fighter-bomber than an air superiority fighter.
Well since the brits didnt tell them that they "sold" their newest jet engine to the soviets (they didnt even recive the money for the engines) the US didnt expect the soviets to have anything close to the MIG-15. And against the jets that came before the MIG-15 the F2H would have had the upper hand.
A pure bomber actually
Amazing
I Love these films but that LSO gave him a wave off after the ship was past..lol
The McDonnell F2H looks like WW2 prop plane with jet engines. But, it was cool for the Navy. The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 with swept wings was so much more modern in 1949.
Context... Everything was trial and error in this era.
Cool plane
Sounds like Jackson Beck was narrating.
Philo Vance for sure.
All navy planes/jets hve folding wings, tail hook most if not all hve hard pnt under wing mounts for bombs or drop tanks.
so is there a link to buy one? I am looking for a fighter jet, but I don't want anything too big. I like this one. How much are they?
1948--yeah, my dad was 13 years old. :-)
No jets hve that knelling feature, neat never seen that b4.
At 7:18 the balancing machine has no cover so if trip and fall into it bad luck! NICE
No OSHA then.
Top speed? Armament? Thrust? Range? Ceiling? Cost? Production number? This video is for children.
I also wanted to see or hear some numbers. So why the silence ?
It is what it is: a *very* brief 13:00 film produced by McDonnell to introduce their new aircraft more than 70 years ago. Performance figures etc were probably classified. But beyond that, it was never intended to be an in depth analysis of all the aircraft’s capabilities. But I suppose you could write a letter to Boeing, who bought the brand a long time ago, asking them to update the original film😉
@@ZenosWarbirds Hey ! A letter to Boeing might work if I tell them that I am a Boeing shareholder. Has to work because I have
been agonizing over that data for years. Thanks for the suggestion.
Think Uncle Joe’s goons might have been watching that movie? Ever hear of the Cold War.
Westinghouse was once a great company on the front line of state of the art. Sad that it's a subsidiary of some other competitor
@Cloud Burst 117 the GE jet engine? Like the F4 powerplant or F104?
@Cloud Burst 117 no offense taken..hell it doesnt matter to me, worse has been said on my comments
Weren't these the same jets used on the Award winning Korean War movie 1955 - The Bridges At Toko- Ri? I've tried, and can't find any fault in the special effects, and dramatic story!🤔😉
I think the GrummGrumman F-9 Panther was used in the movie "Bridges of Toko Ri." I read the book many years ago and the Banshee was the plane used.
Per Wikipedia:
Filming
Exteriors were shot aboard USS Oriskany and USS Kearsarge, 27,100-ton Essex-class aircraft carriers standing in for USS Savo Island.[3] The aircraft used in the film is the Grumman F9F-2 Panther, a Korean War workhorse still in service and equipping the air groups of both carriers, at the time the film was made. In the novel, however, Brubaker's squadron flew McDonnell McDonnell F2H Banshees.
It was the PANTHER. I have a model with markings from that movie. Regards, James Olsson military aviation historian and author.
Very good at high altitude as a bomber interceptor
I think the Iranian airforce and Eithiopia still uses these..
Still no swept wings. 😁
everyone forgot the original Phantom
Mark O'Cain TRUE !!!! That original Phantom I was THE first US Jet to fly during the war with the US developed Axial flow jet engine !!!! Developed DURING the war without any German Input !!!! Facts of history not hype or BULLSHIT !!!!
Wilbur Finnigan Not German. But British design most likely. The Brits handed over most off their Technology for the lend-lease agreements. Jet-engine, radar etc.
@soaringtractor the jumo oo4B was axial flow many of which were sent to the US during the end of ww2 along with a few me 262s so the j34 may not be a direct copy but it influenced the design heavily.
@12:30 so that's where the Long EZ learned that trick. lol
More capable but less aesthetic than the F9F Panther, IMHO.
Also less durable and relegated to photo missions in Korea.
Is that the McDonnell plant at St. Louis Lambert airport?
Yep
Looks a lot like the Grumman Panther and Cougar jets.
Wow
Did Westinghouse make engines?
radar in nose means guns along body current modern jets or in wings older jets/planes.
F2H Banshee is being brought back to replace the F-35! It's much cheaper!
Are them S4 ?
I don’t think so
Fine aircraft of its time. But the Russian migs out flew it. Which is why we built the F86 Saber jet. Now that was some plane!
So, did pilots shut down one engine during cruise altitudes for the single purpose of extending range? The same for loitering time? How long did it take for inflight engine restart? If this was engineered design, seems advanced for 1953 era combat jet fighter aircraft, i.e.; F-15 crews wouldn’t run on single engine by choice.
Not range, shut one down to prolong endurance, say damage on the carrier.
No way. Jets lacked Power to fly just on one.
This was the plane that William Holden 'flew' in The Bridges at Toko Ri, wasn't it?
Russ G No, those were the earlier Phantoms. Great movie though! My dad flew the Banshee in the late 50s
No... the aircraft depicted in Bridges at Toko-Ri were the Grumman F9F Panther.
In the book but not in the movie.
NO, but the confusion is that between the book and the movie.
And even to confusing more, in the movie, were Grumman F9F "Panther", and in the movie's posters, with the photos of the artists, they despict
McDonnell F2H "Banshee.!!!!!!
Hollywood at its best.!!!
S. Philly, who would have known. ? I was chatting with a Tourist on Miami Beach & he mentioned is a good place & that hes the tailgunner on a Public School Bus.
Back when people used to appreciate their jobs and work hard
jet banshee trg manual
Did the Banshee ever meet a MiG?
Dunno BUT Panthers did and tho outclassed they scored the first jet to jet battle.
@@bubbaclinton1105 Wasn't it an F-80 , and it shot down a MIG-15 in Korea?
Not according to this theaviationgeekclub.com/the-true-unkonwn-story-of-the-first-air-to-air-victory-scored-in-a-jet-vs-jet-engagement/
Looks a bit British. A polite, gentlemanly aspect while being deadly.
😂😂😂😂😂😂❤Banshee geht auch!
Wenn du Witze machen moechtest!!😂😂😂😂
Powered by a pair of Westinghouse J34-WE-38 turbojets, probably the last decent engines Westinghouse would produce. The follow on J-40 was an unmitigated disaster and the J-46, a disappointment.
42 railway tank cars of Fu a minute!?!? 🤭
I thought they where named Panthers by the Navy
Different airplane. McDonnell Banshee, Grumman Panther (F9F)
I'm a big fan of M-D Aircraft, but why is it the ME262 Jet Fighter, which is older in design, have more of a modern design over our first generation Jet Fighters? What am I missing here? Thanks, agw.
AirGunWarriors The ME262 had the best German scientists working on them for a long while during WW2. They had jet engines and jet boosters long before anyone else. Seeing jet fighters was a huge shock for the US and Russia, and it wasn't until after the war that they could really start developing their own engines and jets.
soaringtractor The F 86 Sabre , great airplane that it undoubtedly was did not fly until August 1947 ( correcting your earlier LIE that it flew in 1946 and that after a complete re-design of the wings due to data learned from the Germans and the ME 262 .
The original work on the F 86 had a straight wing !!! The engine ( J 47 ) was only ready in mid 1947 ( LOL You even lie in your lies . Say i,m wrong on my post and just apologise for you twisted nationalistic LIES as usual. !!!
Can't stand the truth can you ; living in that Orwellian mind set as you do where right is wrong you sad old CUNT ..Now , and as usual ..FUCK YOU and FUCK OFF
soaringtractor More Information for you WilbursoaringtractorFinnigan on the F 86 Sabre . Read it and weep cos it busts so many of your lies. It's from an American website !!
The F86 Sabre was originally designed for the US Navy in 1945 as a straight-winged jet fighter, and was known as the XJ Fury.North American Aviation was put under contract by the US Army Air Force to produce a new jet fighter. Utilizing information captured from the Germans, innovative technologies were employed in transforming the straight-winged XFJ-1 into the swept-wing F-86 Sabre that would dominate the skies over Korea in the 1950s.
The Sabre represented many firsts in technology and design. Swept-wing configuration has become a standard for jet-powered aircraft. The then revolutionary ( INVENTED IN BRITAIN !!! ) but now commonplace 'flying tail' allows the aircraft excellent maneuverability at high altitudes. In addition, the Sabre employs a hydraulic system for the movement of the flight controls, eliminating the excessive control stick forces necessary to maneuver other types of airplanes at high speeds.
The Sabre was delivered to the Air Force in 1948. The first production model flew on May 20, 1948, and on September 15, 1948, an F-86A set a new world speed record of 670.9 mph. Originally designated as the F-86A, the Sabre would undergo a number of changes resulting in a variety of model designations.
YOU ARE A LIAR AND A TOTAL LOSER
+soaringtractor me 262 was effectively the first swept wing jet fighter, although not as great a sweep angle as a F-86 or a MiG-15.
and the F-86 prototype had P-51 wings.
and if your response to this is as rude as I've seen then well go live on like that and we'll see where you'll end up
+soaringtractor attitude
modern fighters hve ejection seats & exploding tossed canopy.
Who's the narrator?
Jackson Beck
I like the Banshee but I hear it wasnt a dogfighter..
engines r never prt of wing kills lift & fire kills wing, mostly under wing or further back rear of plane along body or prt of body singe style. Too expensive a wing & engines tooo big to b in wing much latter.
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Ban....Sheeeee. 🤷🏻♂️
F2H2 A fighter Plane ?? LOL
war thunder
applepie I almost have the banshee XD
I want the banshee so bad
Samurott it sucks.
***** nah
No it does't. It's one of the best jets, it competes with br9 planes.
Das war ja wohl nichts Me 262 unter Kriegsbedingungen war besser!!!
the 262 would beat the crap out of this jet.
No the Kriegsmarine did not have operational aircraft carriers so me262 couldn't get launched.
The Banshee had 60% more thrust and reliable engines, it had a lead computing gyro gunsight and faster firing, higher velocity cannon. There would be no contest. Sorry to give BORING facts to the loyal Nazi Master-Race Wunder Plane fans.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 Well said reply.
great video