Did Sepp Kuss Make the WRONG CHOICE Staying at Visma Lease A Bike?
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2024
- Should Sepp Kuss after his incredible Vuelta a Espana victory have left Visma Lease A Bike to pursue his own chances? Or is staying at the superteam the best option?
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I don't see Sepp as being someone who burns to be that big dog on a team. He has built his value and reputation through his hard work at Visma and I believe that he was comfortable looking at his future with the team. Also, I am sure that his current team was ensuring his future financial security without the big pressures of jumping to another team. I also think that Visma probably committed to Sepp as at least a co-leader at the Vuelta this year again and potentially the same for the Giro in the future.
Completely agree. He is probably getting kwaitkowski money now. He will retire a legend if he never wins again.
Kuss is a great teammate and has greater value as a domestique than being a GC. Over 21 days he cannot legitimately compete at a TDF for the yellow. A top 10, absolutely. Great selfless teammate to have though.
he would have to catch some literal breaks (as in dudes crashing out, including guys from his own team) for him to win TDF.
No, I think he will be very happy with his position. Will have gotten a really good contract financially while getting a co-leader role without having the big pressure. Its basically a win-win situation.
He will not be a co leader at the tour
@@barturlings3097 Probably not, yes. But might be planed for Vuelta. Obviously, my statement is pure hypothetical. I have not been part of their contract talks.
@@barturlings3097 Sepp would also never be able to win, and probably not even, podium the Tour as long as Vingegaard, Tadej, Primoz and Remco are all going. He'll be the back-up plan should Jonas crash and I'm sure Visma is happy to allow him to fight for his place in the top 10 in the GC like they did in 2023.
I just think Sepp is loyal and appreciative of the big-bucks contract he has, quite rare for American riders and at age 29, he is at his peak yet it goes by quickly and perhaps he will call it a win at the end of this contract. Or not and maybe be like Chris Horner and stay lean and mean for another decade. But the writing is on the wall for the sport, the stars are getting younger and little wonder with all the training techniques and the incentives for fame and big-bucks contracts and we see that with ball sports here in the States, a lot of athletes play for the love of money more than love of the game and no knock, if you can make millions in your early 20s for playing a sport, wow, such a deal. And getting back to Sepp, while JV didn't do him right at the start of his run at the top in Spain, they ultimately did the right thing and let him step into the circle of GT winners and he knows if something happens to Jonas, and in cycling a rinky-dink mistake like an errant bottle can take down a superstar in an instant, Visma will let him fly, robin, fly, up, up to the sky. 😀
HAHAHAHAHA! "Like Horner, stay mean and mean" Really? You must be the only person on earth who doesn't understand Horner's Vuelta win.
If he can support Jonas to TDF victories that is still a success. The pay rate for him supporting numerous GC champions must be huge and not worth it over being dedicated to winning an additional one for him. And I don't see why he would need to jump over to another team to get a chance anyways, can't the team just give him a chance on their own?
I think this is the better move for who Kuss is as a person. Sure, he wanted his win, but I think he is pretty happy to be known as one of the best domestique’s ever. Personally, I would’ve loved to see him go to EF, but that probably wouldn’t have given him as strong a team
Different pharmacology at EF.
He said after the Vuelta that he didn’t really like to be the GC guy because its so tiring to always be there to be 100% focused all the time, the mindgames and more. He was lucky that Remco wasn’t there to push for the win and the obly threats to the gc were in his team. So i would assume he is happy being paid 7digits and be the domestique
He's in a perfect position to do amazing things and race to his strengths at Jumbo.
Sepp thrives in the eye of the VIsma-storm, he is right where he wants and should be....
Where is he supposed to go? What team was waving fat stax at him other than Visma? With Roglic gone and WVA doing more of his own thing, a guy like Kuss is even more valuable to Visma. Gawd-forbid he'd end up at INEOS...remember what Wiggo said about them?
What did he say? 🙈
sepp without jumbo juice would turn average at best in GC
I'm pretty sure both he and Jonas will have a good time.
Jonas does not seem to be of the mentality that he wants to win so much, I think we will see Jonas as Captain in TDF with Sepp riding for him. And the other way around in La vuelta
I disagree. I think Jonas is more than happy to start out as co-captains with Sepp at the Vuelta, but he basically gave up the red jersey for Sepp last year, and I do not think he'd do it again. I genuinely think he's happy that he did it though. But I don't think he'd do it again - and I don't think it would be fair to ask it of him.
@@Soli11 I hear you.
Its just some Danish interviews Jonas made that makes me think so
kuss is prob gonne ride for vingegaard in both@@Soli11
Lol, stopped taking this seriously when it was mentioned he would content the TdF. What a joke.
completely agree! But i don't see INEOS as the perfect fit. Maybe a smaller Team would give him more of a "star"-feeling, but as you said i don't think he would be able to win another GT..
I agree with most people here that the TDF is probably a bridge too far for Sepp, but he is capable of challenging for the Giro AND the Vuelta. The perfect setup for Visma would be to send Sepp to the Giro - and as support for Vingo at the Tour. My worry is that Sepp will want to defend at the Vuelta - and that Vingo will want to double up after the TDF - putting them in a conflict similar to 2023.
Don't forget he's not great at TT, he was lucky with parcours in Vuelta, but flat TT he will always lose time. He also stated in interview he doesn't intend to spend a lot of time on it to improve.
They were only in that conflict because there was no one else outside their team to challenge them. It's very unlikely we will see the same in 2024. At the very least, Roglic is likely going to be at the Vuelta and he's at BORA now, so he is not going to hold back. And if Roglic doesn't hold back, Jonas is also not going to hold back. And at the end of the day, Jonas is a better rider than Sepp.
@@Soli11 Perhaps, but race tactics in the moment sometimes provide unexpected drama - and results. I wouldn't mind seeing Sepp & Visma going up against Roglic & Bora head to head.
No, his deal at Visma-LAB is pretty good. On another team there would be the expectation of having to win. He has not done well with that in the past.
"Or even Tadej Pogacar"?? You think both Jonas and Primoz are better then Tadej? You've got to be kidding! Tadej is just coming into his prime years and I think people are going to see just how good he is, this coming year.
I think Sepp staying is going to make this season way more interesting bc he's a stud, and with Primoz, Van Hooydunck and others leaving, theyll still hopefully just as competitive. He became GC Kuss at the end of the year, but can he stay GC Kuss long term? Cant wait to find out.
Van Hooydunck didn't voluntarily leave, he was forced into quitting just like Mr Paris-Roubaix Sonny Cobrelli - under a fog of PED skepticism.
I believe that even Sepp has said he doesn't want the stress and pressure of being a team leader.
It depends on if they have him as a true gc rider now, or if VLAB puts him back to domestique duties. I would expect he should be a GC rider now. If he's not... he HAS to leave.
I generally liked the video. A lot of good points made. But it also depends on what Sepp Kuss wants. If the pressure of being a leader isn't for him, then being top domestique for the best three week rider on the planet isn't the worst situation one can be in. And he doesn't seem to be seeking out the pressure. I'm sure the team would have allowed him to lead at a race like Volta a Catalunya, which would fit his profile really well, but he's always gone there with other leaders.
But there's one thing I feel the need to point out: Ineos had no opportunity to sign Evenepoel, who's under contract with Soudal - Quick Step until the end of the 2026 season. Had the TJV-SQS merger gone through, with TJV's license being the one used, then there would have been an opportunity. There's no way on earth Lefevere is letting Evenepoel go while he's under contract. They did miss an opportunity with Uijtdebroeks though.
Yes
Being the best GC domistique in the world is something. Why should He leave?
Seppy made the right choice staying !
Switching team to become a full fledged leader would be too much pressure.
At Visma, he gets to defend his Vuelta title while getting more experience as a leader, all while in a familiar environmment that works great for him.
Sepp is Uber Domestique.....nothing wrong with that.....
Does anyone really think he won La Vuelta when Primoz and Jonas were called back? He is a great rider, but given the chance Jonas would have smoked him at that race. It was a great gesture to let him win, but he really couldnt beat his own team
How many times did he hold back to drag Jonas or Primoz to the front the past several years? We’ll never know.
It goes both ways.
@@rockhopper01 Hold back for Jonas? Never, not once in his life
@@rockhopper01we're not talking about those times,,but Vuelta. If Primož had free hands from begining..huh..and Jonas at the end..Kuss would never won Vuelta. Not saying he didn't deserv it as pay back for past acfions..but..
@@rockhopper01WIth Rogla that has happened a few times, although it does tend to get overstated by Kuss superfans - we're talking maybe like 3 times over a period of many years.
With Jonas... Eh, name a single instance on a single climb on a single stage in a single race where that ever happened, even once. It literally never did. Kuss is still valuable to Jonas, but he uses him purely as an offensive weapon to launch at his rivals, setting a high pace to tire out opponents before Jonas goes himself. That's valuable too, but let's not lower ourselves to just straight up making stuff up.
he did for roglic but never for vingegaard@@rockhopper01
i believe that actually his chance to win the tour de france is bigger at jumbo than in any other team. i think this because in any other team he would have a weaker team to help him and also he would have about 4 riders who on paper are better then him (roglic, pogi, vingegaard, evenepoel) and some others who are at the same level as him. at jumbo however if something happens to vingegaard then he has the whole jumbo team behind him to win the tour. i even doubt that if he would have went to ineos that he would be the sole leader, they have some other great GC riders too. and other teams that would have him as sole leader are by far not as strong as the top teams.
if you add up all this i dont think its worth to try your luck in a team where he is the sole leader, ofcourse when he (or ppl who thinkk he should have moved teams) thinks he is on the same level as pogacar, vingegaard and roglic (or even better) then for sure it wouldve been worth it, but i think he knows he isnt at that level by quite a bit. remember, he is on the same team as vingegaard, so he probably also knows this by seeing the numbers or feeling what happens in training.
yates and hindley and thomas is also better then him
@@tobiasdencker853 i do agree with you when you look at his grand tours so far yes. but thats mainly due to him having too many bad days compaired to the guys you mentioned. so the question becomes, can he eliminate those bad days or will he keep having them during his carreer. if he keeps having them then he can better switch to being a one day race winner and ofcourse TT specialist.
He has the talents to be team leader and go on to win the Giro this year.He should have gone to Ineous or EF Education as leader
All three GT’s is hard on the body.. I think 2024 will see less explosive performances IMHO.
I don't think he can hear you under the mountain of cash they buried him with to stay there as a super-domestique.
Hahahahhaha yeah exactly
He wouldn't have won la Vuelta outside Visma. I don't think he wants to leave either.
He is an amazing guy and domestique, but he doesn’t have a shot at winning the Tour, not on Visma not on any team
I guess there is a cucumber season now and you are looking for a sensation when there is none 😅
Why bite the hand that feeds you?
Because you are a competitor?
Of course this is the best choice, without this team he wouldn't be a GC winner and he has good opportunities to win more in this team. He has made it clear he wants to ride Vuelta next year, not Giro. At Ineos he won't beat the results he'll get at Visma for sure.
So, Bernal is just done? Career over?
he's never seemed to recover from the back issues... it could happen still
Ineos really?
Not if he wants his Jumbo- Juice!
Winning vuelta is not his decision. He may wanted it but t'was not him to decide.
I think as a super domestique Kuss stayed where he has the strongest teammate. It was ultimately the best move but it was interesting to think about him and Ineos. I think he didn't feel prepared to lead a team as GC favorite in le tour
No, he will get more sucsess at Jumbo , He'll they even let him win a major tour. He can work as a demostique in the Tour De France, & get the team to suportvhim in a tour he feels he could win....
Kudos to Sep for his win in Spain. That said he doesn't seem to have the leader's demeanor, behavior, attitude nor presence. Staying at Visma will reinforce his image as a gregario , nothing more. Hope I'm wrong.
everybody made the wrong choice to ride for a team named lease-a-bike ;)
Hahhaha
"Or even Tadej Pogacar" SMH
no disrespect intended just bad phrasing on my part hahaha
The grinch who stole la vuelta
No reason whatsoever to leave Jumbo
No way Sepp could win the TdF.
No
No.
No.
End of story.
He was gifted the win, he knows it. Pretty sure he'll be happy.
Sorry; Kuss is overrated. Everyone knows. At his age, he cannot walk into a different team and take over. The talent of all youth precludes that. Great cyclists are getting younger and stronger.
😂
Sepp is one of the top 10 climbing/GC racers in the world ! There are plenty of leaders of GC teams that are not as talented as he is. What has been missing for him has been the desire/belief in his GC potential. Now that he has been awakened to his full potential, it remains to be seen just how competitive he can be at the top GC level.
I think he is more than capable of winning the Giro & the Vuelta. Right now there are giants competing for the TDF, but if he was on his own team, he could compete for the top 5 there.
When you talk about age, what about Pogacar 😂?
🤣 😊
Sepp needs to leave along with Wout,
1 2 3 on a podium isn’t a good thing for cycling.💉💉💉🎪🤡🤐🤫🤫
Pharmaceuticals have made for amazing racing last few decades. I say keep it up for the fans.
Gewiss, Mapei, Telekom, Postal, Sky/Ineos, and now the three dirtiest teams in cycling winning everything (UAE, TBV, JUMBO) cycling is dirty as ever, and thriving.
@@rockhopper01 keep it up - but let's stop lying about it. And fanboys have to stop yelping about their heroes. Laporte, Hirschi, Tratnik, Cobrelli . . . All winners because of PEDs.
No.