The Real Reason Primož Roglič Will Never Win the Tour de France
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- Опубликовано: 7 дек 2023
- Primož Roglič and the Tour de France have a love-hate relationship. After the unraveling of his Tour campaign on the Planche des Belles Filles in 2020, Roglič has failed to punch at the Tour de France. With Vingegaard taking the leadership role at Jumbo-Visma, could Roglič’s time come now that he’s signed with BORA-Hansgrohe? Can he ever win the Tour de France?
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I’ll come back to this video after he wins it.
My exact same thoughts when listening to this presumptuous and underestimating commentary.
As if these self-proclaimed cycling experts learned nothing from Primoz's unique ability to come back even stronger after every defeat.
Ok, We’ll come to your house when he doesn’t. Gloating is for toddlers, be a man.
@@donaldvanvliet9039 Jonas will but he can only do that! No one one day races, no classics, no monuments, just TDF and preparations like Basque or Dauphine. And that's ok, the guy knows where he's strong and he doesn't like to race like Van Aert, Pogacar or Van der Poel - safe option!
I agree with all said here. I will still cross my fingers for him as he is one of the best if not the best riders over the last several years. Good luck Primoz, I’ll be supporting you!
I believe it is kinda beneficial for Roglic to not be a favourite. He will be the underdog between Pog and Vingegaard and might be able to use that.
IDK Ewan, Roglic is a very keen athlete. He might be able to do it
Sometimes stars align and an underdog wins. I hope that happens and I will be rooting for him
Roglic can win the TdF because the other favorites are not immune to the mishaps that have kept him from winning it. Obviously Jonas is the biggest contender but eventually he will have a bad day at the tour - same way we have seen it happen to Pog, Roglic, and Remco. Roglic is a survivor
Nothing is impossible but having Vingegaard AND Pogacar out of the race is massively improbable.
None of them are prone to crash and when they crack it's because of someone stronger.
Roglic is not stronger.
Not only that . But now he doesn't have Primoz, and maybe even Wout, or Sepp, either of them, towing him around for 3 weeks.
Roglic would possibly only have one Vuelta win without Kuss. He'd definitely have zero Giros and no TdF podium without him. We have no idea how good he'd be without a superteam
@@squatchy69in TT alone Jonas will slap the rest
@@squatchy69vingegaard didn't have roglic this year and van aert didn't do mutch for vingegaard this year and kuss wont leave because vingegaard gave him the win and if he does he will be selfish af
I'm not sure Primoz is so dramatic about winning the Tour de France. He has this way of returning from every setback he's had that, I believe, is related to him not focusing on it, moveing forward and enjoying the good moments.
Thanks for the video!
Oh man... Roglic is the 2nd strongest climer in the peloton... Vingegard, to come neither near his sprinting abilities needs to sacrifie his high altitude super power... and still will not match him or Pogacar.. in my opinion everything depends only from how will he integrate and improve with Bora...his is a big underdog, but never uderestimate the most determined one,.... especialy when he is out for revange...
Well winge wins with minuts ? Whyalways on the high mountain ? Its only Slovenien that dont se a los on 3 min in22 and 7min in 23 is beaucause winge just is stronger in mountain
@@larshansen4557 no one said that Vingegaard is not the strongest when it comes to mountains... in last 2 years.... My point is only that 1. ) Pogačar keeps training and racing one day races and is loosing a lot because of this in high mountains performances. But clearly he does nit care since he already won 2 TDFs and prefers winning other races. On the other hand Roglič never neither battled with Vingegaard in high mountains last 2 years, but he showed in 2023 of being stronger than Pogačar in high mountains for sure. No one is denying that Vingegaard is the strongest in high mountains in last 2 years, what I am saying is that never write off the most motivated and mentally the strongest man in the group.
And that in mountains sprints element Vingegaard can not match Pogačar, Roglič or Remco _(if they come on the top with him).
That is all I am saying.
@@MatejCotar Jonas is the strongest on high altitude and GT because he's lungs are out of this world! On the other hand you have the best cyclists ever (Merckx exluded) like Pog (who can win all - one day race, 7 day race, and GT not just high climbs). But... 99% of ppl only watch TDF and Visma will cash on it.
@@nazgulzg There is no truth or story in Jonas lungs... do not be delusional. He ia the strongest for GT like TDF. That is it. No supet power or super human... and it will last until BORA becomes the team no.1. Means for some years.
And until Pog wil train and ride also 1 day clasics, i can not imagine him beating Jonas.
Anyway when it comes to TDF 24 the 2nd strongest and 1st serious antagonist to Jonas remains Roglic.
But when it
I have to agree to almost everything said in this video. And that makes that 2020 loss sooo painful, he/the team really deserved that win.
Hope he wins TDF...he deserves it❤❤❤❤
How does he deserve it ? A tour victory is earned
Never say never, anything can happen
I hope he can pull it off in 2024. It would be a great underdog story, and his move to Bora makes things more interesting.
As a dane ,im proud of vingegård 2 tours on his record and a spain he could have won but in 2024 i think he will loose ; he wil still be on podium i think
I'm in agreement with you over his TdF chances unfortunately. I do like Primoz and enjoy watching him race, but as you said I think his best chance was in 2020, and the dynamic of the sport is moving to younger winners. He's still a great champion in my book.
Roglic is like Cavendish in TdF
How so? Cavendish had some bad luck in his latter years, but he also won 34 etappes in tdf. Primoz only had bad luck…
Exiting cant tell any favorit,they are all amazing
Amazing race i wait in 2024 dont think its only vinge and poggi this year
I think he can still win it. But it’s unlikely. I think he will definitely podium. Probably 3rd.
Let's revisit some other facts you omit and are to do with psychology of teams and team racing. With very successful 2023 Visma has no place to go but down with regards of team spirit after financial issues and after team was left with key success factors of last decade like Roglič and his trainer. On the other hand Roglič in Bora will be super motivated and ready after the season with no crashes and outright nearly 100% success in stage race attendance in 2023. DEnk of Bora and other team mates will be there 100% behind Primož which they were clearly not. It is funny how people underestimate the most determined cyclist of modern era. He is a gladiator and I would not be surprised if his best year is yet to come.
Have you read why cian uitdebroeks left bora? Apparently he was bullied by vlasov and the other teammates because cian was ‘too professional’ 😂 they had a whatsapp-group making fun of him. Not exactly an environment for primoz to thrive in.
@@donaldvanvliet9039 clearly you did not understood what happened with Cian... it is already the third cycling team that he had the same problems in the team, because is a prick... who wanted to be the No. 1 in the team.
I like Roglic he's a fierce competitor, BUT I tend to agree with you, don't think it's in his cards. Would like to see you and me proved wrong in 2024.
The commentary on this video was very good. And it makes total sense. However, I thought back to the year That Nibali won the Tour. I don't think his chance was any better than the video gave to Pimos. Yes. He did ride as the best rider. After. The top guys feel for one reason or another. Not taking a thing from Nibali. I was happy as hell that he won. But. If everyone else stayed in the race. I don't think anyone could tell how he would have made out. We can all remember Primos losing to Pgicar on stage 20. And we were all speechless, I suspect. It is one of the great things we see year in and year out. The "Thrill of Victory" is throughout the season as we see human interaction. And the incredible days that someone overcomes. And shines above their competitors. This is why we love this sport so much. He has a great chance. He has often shown that he is tenacious and takes the win just a few strokes or less just before the stripe. Only time will tell. And what a great couple more years of suspense he will bring each race he signs into. I, for one, would love to see him get one. As you clearly have said correctly. The youngsters still have more time. Primoz probably does not. Remember when Cris Horner won the Giro? However, most of us wish he would come clean and publicly confess he was on the juice. But maybe he was clean. And maybe Primoz can still make it happen, too. Can't wait to see what happens. Jumbo might split the leadership between Videgard and Cuss. That could blow up, eliminating both leaders at Jumbo. Culling a few of the top picks out early. And Wout adds a second chance for the team to fracture as well. If another GC crashes out. Or falter on a TT. And there ya go. Can't wait for next season to start. I don't think the second tier of kids will come good next year. So we can only wait.
chris horner never won the giro, he won the Vuelta
@@nicolbolas5078 your right. That's what I meant. I came down with COVID and pneumonia at the same time, and I was sick for about 5 months and then I came just fell off a cliff and I was sick with long COVID for over 2 years. I'm only just now somewhat back to normal. And I had it about a month ago 3 years ago. anyway. It's left me without almost any recollection of remembrance and even get stuck in the middle of sentences drained. Talk and I forget what I was talking about. and that's what you saw in that post. Thanks for telling me but yeah, you're right, and I just. I didn't even re-read it by the time I was done. My brain was more than done. thank you.
I disagree with the comments about Bora. I think it'll be a great fit for him that isn't a last minute effort. He is a pro cyclist and likely has contacts with whoever knows how many other pros there are, probably dozens at this point so I see it more as of best team based on conversations with other pro cyclists and just who offered rather than a last minute decision, just look at the Ineos and Remco talks that have been put out would you have called that out as a last minute decision?
If his domestiques at BORA are not at Kuss level I think he'll survive the Tour and able to take spots because like you said, he is good on boni seconds.
The world's seen how great of a TT Remco is and if there is even a sliver of gains for Roglic by going to his setup of the specialized TT bike in which both BORA and QS have then that makes it another good justification to jump over to Bora.
As for the Tour, I'd say his biggest threat here is high mountains GC contenders that have not posted results. Tadej came up into the ranks very fast to take his TDF victories and Jonas just delivers a beatdown on the high mountains. So if there is another rising star that is able to repeat what those two do then I don't think Roglic has a chance.
And the other thing is that I'm not 100% convinced he is going to the Tour. His contract is likely huge for BORA but I still think he can taste success at one of the other two GTs and partake in other races around the Tour.
*that isn't a last minute effort*
*so I see it more as of best team based on conversations*
Bora literally contacted him after the Vuelta to offer him to come over if a deal with Jumbo could be reached.
The Remco-Ineos talks have just been rumours with no substance.
I don't know if Specialised is better than what Jumbo has, Remco isn't exactly the best to look at, considering he is a true TT prodigee, dominating at the juniors and even already becoming EC champion at 19. We'll have to wait, though I don't really expect many differences due to equipment/setup.
He's definitely going to the tour. That is what Bora got him for and that is also why he moved. If he still wanted anothe Giro, he could get that at Jumbo too and he already has 3 Vuelta victories.
What is his vo2max??
In 2012, before turning a real cyclist was 82 in a test in Slovenia. Nowadays we don´t know oficially although I have seen some estimations close to the 90 range (like 88-89)
Never write off a champion
Yes he can win!
He can ; and better him than piggi still remember a little guy from denmark ,he might be there in the game,,??but like always , he is not
Sure he can. Pog will race Giro first, anything can happen there. Not sure what his form will be at the Tour. There will be more pressure on Vinge than last year. Visma LAB will probably not let him just to excel on Tour, they will probably demand good performances also on other races.
I think it’s possible. He is humble hard trainer and can suffer. But no Sepp. This will hurt.
If Roglic gets his head right, he can definitely win the Tour
He certainly has more of a chance of winning TDF than you or me (unless it's you Tadej reading this comment :)), but it's still below 10% generously speaking. If Vinge is not ready and Tadej burnt from the Giro, then I'd say it's on the edges of possibility. He'll most probably be remembered as "the best rider to never have won the Tour".
A great champion, but time waits for no man. He should have won in 2020, but he bottled it. At this point it would take something resembling a miracle for him to beat the likes of Pogi and Vingegaard. (Had Evenepoel not contracted Covid it is unlikely that Roglič would have won the 2023 Giro, and Evenepoel is no Pogi or Vingegaard...)
How do u know about Giro?
He can win it IF everyone else has bad days and he doesn't. It's possible but unlikely.
It's Doable. He needs Excellent Domestique's and Stay out of Trouble. Great Cyclist.
I wouldn’t be so decisive, opinionated and cruel. Especially as one who never raced the pro peloton. Try to be nice. You might like it
He lost by seconds after leading most of the race, how can you say he can never win 😂
The real reason Roglic will never win the tour !???
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If roglic wants to win the tour he had to leave jumbo
As seen last year the team may not have sent him to the 2024 tour
He has and can beat Remco
But I’m not sure about vingegaard or pocacar
Although really it’s pointless him trying to win another giro
He can win.
GC rider cant win Tour de France with like three or two weeks of defending its better to win the last week than trying to defend for most time of the tour.
I dont like roglic racing tactics ... I like more pogi's and remco's tactics , those 2 dont wait unthil the last 2 km of the race to attack .
At the moment Primož is more motivated and in better team than Jonas. Jumbo visma is falling apart... Sepp got wings, Wout is skipping tour,... not so strong team as before. Also Primož is racing much smarter than Jonas.
How is Bora a better team?😂
Jonas won't have Wout van aert in the tour nor Nathan Van Hoydonck, surely it'll be harder and they'll need capable domestiques. @@veganpotterthevegan
@Queen-be6md Jonas surely won't have as good of a team. It's still a much better team than Bora though. That said, Wout may still ride the Tour after the Giro and Jonas still has Kuss, Kelderman, a Kruijswijk. That's 3 domestiques that can be there in the high mountains.
@@Queen-be6mdhe have van barle
@@Queen-be6md he might not have the absolute best Jumbo team next year, but he still will have a great team. Van Aert might be replaced by Jorgensen or Valter and VH by Tratnik or Gesink.
The real reason why Primoz might not win is because you guys do not believe hard enough in Primoz Roglic. We all must vigilantly pray everyday to our lord God Saviour Primoz Roglic.
Hahahhahahaha
Is there a false reason?
Sure, that he didn’t get a chance with visma, and a bunch of other conspiracytheories about favoritism.
Pogačar took the only chance to win right out of his hands and there's nothing he could do about it. Great competitor & rider, he will be remembered for any other win but not TdF. His time has passed.
Preposterous, never call a man down until he's done, his chances are low but he has the ambition and willingness to go for it let's see what comes of it.
@@Queen-be6mdagreed. Greg Lemond was written off after having bullets in his liver and lung... but he did the greatest ever TDF finish against Le Professeur
Don't get all worked up. I hope Primož proves me wrong but that's how I feel about his chances.
Best team for him is alpecin d. just saying..
Jonas and Cian a great GC-duo for the TdF, supported by a stong Visma team including Sepp, I dont see Pimoz beat them....
He doesn't have bad lunch. Hi is not the best driving rhw bike. He is not bad but breaks under pressure. Chemestry allows you to dominate a sport you never prepare for but it does help you to control the bike 😂😂.
I actually think BORA has the best grand tour climbing team in the world at the moment
Really? Better than potentially
- Pogacar, Ayuso/Yates, Almeida, Sivakov/Vine/Majka/Soler (pick 2), Wellens, Bjerg, Pollit?
- Vingegaard, Kuss, Kelderman/Uijtdebroeks, Van Aert/Kruijswijk/Jorgensen/Van Baarle/Benoot/Valter (pick 3), Laporte, Gesink/Tratnik?
Both of these teams are possible TdF teams for next year.
Bora has ideally:
Roglic, Hindley, Vlasov, Martinez/Kämna/Buchmann/Higuita (pick 2), Schachmann, Jungels, Denz.
Though realistically Vlasov or Hindley goes to the Giro, Martinez hasn't had a good shape anymore since 1,5 years, Higuita was also not good last year. I don't think this squad can be seen as better than TVL or UAE. Even a top SOQ squad could come very close.
@@MDP1702 Yeah your right soz
@@MDP1702agree. In all his gt wins he had a better supportings cast then he has now. That was also the reason why i was surprised that he wanted to change. If he can’t win with the best guys then how does he do that with weaker guys.
Sepp Kuss will win TdF because he's a nice guy, and Jonas have to back off for him.
I’d love for him to win it, but Quintana is winning the tour this year
Must be drinking Johnnie Walker Blue or stoned?
Say no to drugs
The grand tours the tdf in particular is always a team effort,.
Primos at his core is not a ciclyist ,he is an accident prone Icarus that regards cyclists as mere earthlings therefore he will always fail to earn the support of Which ever team he joins. He should take a leaf from the book of Eddie the eagle that it's nice to be nice.
He could win
Jumbo secret ?easy 🤫jumbo lease a bike.(jumbo use e-bikes)🤡🤫🤐
Bad take.
You must be high if you think primoz can't win the tour.he is bad to the bone.the only reason other people win is because he let's them win , he is cool like that
He's great but you're delusional. Primoz would have only one Vuelta and ZERO TdF podiums without Kuss.
One vuelta? The delusional one here is you.
For example Kuss crashed out of 2022 vuelta and primoz was doing an excellent vuelta with low preparation up to stage 17.
Perhaps his vuelta win from 2021 can be attributed thanks to Kuss, but definitely not 2019 and 2021. He crashed badly at the giro and still won by gaining some form during the last week, aren't you understimating him as if all his success is thanks to Kuss?@@veganpotterthevegan
@@Queen-be6md How was he doing good at the 2022 Vuelta if he was 2:40 behind and dropped 2 times (put under pressure all the the MTF's) by Remco untill Remco got a crash injury and 2 lesser days because of that?
It is irrelevant that Remco crashed, it is part of the race, on the other hand you can't deny his form went from very bad to a better one at the 3rd week. Furthermore his performance can't totally be attributed to his injury, see his low performance at some random day at la vuelta, this just shows how vulnerable remco can be.
What I want to say is that his bad perforance can't totally be attributed to his crash given the recent evidence of his bad days. @@MDP1702
He barely von the giro over remco, pogi and vingegaard are miles ahead of him with also a better team