One of the most useful and great Cali yt man Simon ata 😎 . From no tuck planche to piked straddle planche pushups . Mappu and other rare exercises have helped a lot.
My elbows (and arms/shoulders generally) were feeling uncomfortable on chin-ups with a bar, so I was holding back on my training for fear of tendon injury. When I switched to using rings all the discomfort was suddenly gone!
So far... As a beginner to Calisthenics... I do Pull-Ups, Chin-Ups, AND Neutral Grip. What I find interesting is that I find Pull-Ups easier than Chin-Ups ...
It probably means that you don't have great biceps. Because the biceps are much better engaged in the chin-up. I always find that I can do more chin-ups than pull-ups. Most people do.
Chin ups don't recruit much of your triceps because supinated grip is controlled by the bicep muscles, not the tricep muscles. The easy way to spot this is with rows, try pronated grip dumbell rows and then supinated grip dumbell rows, you'll physically be able to see the difference.
@@vanyel_etc8695 Unlike the biceps, triceps don’t relate to the grip much. The shoulder extension action is what works the long head of the triceps. The biceps work too when doing chin ups, don’t get me wrong. Try doing shoulder width chin ups with your elbows as close as they can be to each other when going up and down. You will feel it in your triceps.
@@mohanad0408 oh yeah, I mean close grip chin ups will somewhat work your triceps, it's just that they won't be used to nearly the same extent. The push muscles generally get used as stabilisers in compound pull movements, like the shoulders, but basically you'll exhaust your biceps with chin ups long before you'll exhaust your triceps, just like you'll exhaust your triceps with diamond push ups long before you exhaust your lats.
I was getting tennis elbow on my right arm when doing chin ups. No problems with the pull ups. I was able to instantly resolve the tennis elbow by throwing a towel over the bar, and doing pull ups by griping the towels. The towel neutralises the pain because the arm moves freely during the exercise thus achieving neutral position for the joints. Similar to when doing pull ups on gymnastics rings.
Hi Simon, Thanks that was really.good. I've been training for a few months now on rings and I do three sets of chin-ups and three more of pull ups three times a week. Is this not good use of my workout time? I.e I'd be better off alternating them every couple of weeks?
Is it really true that the rings will be more comfortable for the elbows? In your most recent video on elbow pain, I took away the message that the body will move where it's strongest when you're on the rings, which means that it will move to put more stress on the tendons so that you can produce more force. Was this a stance you arrived at recently, or am I missing something?
In this video I said that rings are useful as they can conform to the strongest and most comfortable positions as you ascend and descend. I don’t think this is conflicts with that I say in the video about golfers elbow. If you’re pain free, chin-ups are fine. One problem with chin-ups is they can feel uncomfortable at the very bottom (significant supination and shoulder external rotation). Pull ups can feel uncomfortable on the wrists at the very top (extreme pronation). This has nothing to do with golfers elbow and is simply due to extreme ranges of wrist movement. Rings can swivel and allow more natural positions throughout. However, if you’re experiencing golfers elbow, chin-ups are GENERALLY more provocative. Some say rings are the solution for the reason above. While they can help, I think this benefit is overstated as people still tend to swivel to the strongest positions (chin-up grip). If rings still cause pain, a pull up grip on a bar can be the solution as it PREVENTS the painful position. There’s no problem with stress through a tendon if your body can adapt and handle it. All resistance training stresses tendons. In the presence of injury/pathology, we often want to modify activities to make them pain free. I hope that clears things up?
@@SimonsterStrength Wow, I'm honored that you took the time to go into such depth. That cleared things up for me. I think the missing link in my understanding was that the stress rings can cause on the elbows is to the extent that you mimic the chin-up grip, rather than throughout the entire pulling motion. And you gave me other nuggets of wisdom in your reply as well :D. Thanks so much for taking the time to lay everything out, I really appreciate it!
In the interest of being smart and informed about ones training RUclips should make this video pop up whenever their algorithm suspect anyone will be doing chinups/pullups. Heck it should come pre-installed on ios and android devices.
Hello thank you for this informative video 🙌 Second Can you make a video about how to build muscle using calthtanics basic exercises pull ups ,chin up , Push ups About the right technics timing And set's. And finally Thank for your awesome content ✨🌹. All the respect from Jordan.
This is because it’s not that simple and the answer is nuanced. For example, if you have golfers elbow that is aggravated by chin-ups, you should only be doing pull-ups. Further, even if you’re doing both, the one you prioritize should depend on your goals. Finally, they’re very similar and may you prefer to only include one of the two in a training block as you prioritize other goals. I prefer to provide a background to draw upon for my conclusions rather than giving a blanket statement from the start. However, if you watched the full video, I basically reach that conclusion - most people benefit from doing both.
One of the most useful and great Cali yt man Simon ata 😎 . From no tuck planche to piked straddle planche pushups . Mappu and other rare exercises have helped a lot.
Get rings and you can do either and anything in between
My elbows (and arms/shoulders generally) were feeling uncomfortable on chin-ups with a bar, so I was holding back on my training for fear of tendon injury. When I switched to using rings all the discomfort was suddenly gone!
Same, the rings allow for a few degrees towards pronation which takes away all the elbow strain, i love it
Thank you for all this information bro.
The better exercise is the one that you can exert more force in. And that would the chin up.
So far... As a beginner to Calisthenics... I do Pull-Ups, Chin-Ups, AND Neutral Grip.
What I find interesting is that I find Pull-Ups easier than Chin-Ups ...
It probably means that you don't have great biceps. Because the biceps are much better engaged in the chin-up. I always find that I can do more chin-ups than pull-ups. Most people do.
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I can do this all day😁
I truly think chin ups work the long heads of the triceps. Surprised no one talks about it.
Chin ups don't recruit much of your triceps because supinated grip is controlled by the bicep muscles, not the tricep muscles. The easy way to spot this is with rows, try pronated grip dumbell rows and then supinated grip dumbell rows, you'll physically be able to see the difference.
@@vanyel_etc8695 Unlike the biceps, triceps don’t relate to the grip much. The shoulder extension action is what works the long head of the triceps.
The biceps work too when doing chin ups, don’t get me wrong.
Try doing shoulder width chin ups with your elbows as close as they can be to each other when going up and down. You will feel it in your triceps.
@@mohanad0408 oh yeah, I mean close grip chin ups will somewhat work your triceps, it's just that they won't be used to nearly the same extent. The push muscles generally get used as stabilisers in compound pull movements, like the shoulders, but basically you'll exhaust your biceps with chin ups long before you'll exhaust your triceps, just like you'll exhaust your triceps with diamond push ups long before you exhaust your lats.
@@vanyel_etc8695 True, I think it depends on the person. For me chin ups make my triceps more sore the next day than the biceps.
@@vanyel_etc8695 True, I think it depends on the person. For me chin ups make my triceps more sore the next day than the biceps.
Both!!
Amazing chest to bar pull ups and chin ups! Still can't do one :(
Good video, straight to the point 👍
Pull ups for back and Chin ups for biceps.
I was getting tennis elbow on my right arm when doing chin ups.
No problems with the pull ups.
I was able to instantly resolve the tennis elbow by throwing a towel over the bar, and doing pull ups by griping the towels.
The towel neutralises the pain because the arm moves freely during the exercise thus achieving neutral position for the joints.
Similar to when doing pull ups on gymnastics rings.
chin ups hurt my elbows, too.
Do you have a new program coming out on the fit app ?
Can we mix up pull ups and chin ups for more strength gains? Thanks great video as always 👍👍
Hi Simon, Thanks that was really.good. I've been training for a few months now on rings and I do three sets of chin-ups and three more of pull ups three times a week. Is this not good use of my workout time? I.e I'd be better off alternating them every couple of weeks?
This looks like Kellog Zaher park. I didn’t know you were from Vegas wow 😂
Nice vid brother
Good one
Hi Simon, what do you think about the False Grip Pull Up? What are the ups en downs?
If you ever shredded i think you would look absolutely crazy
Is it really true that the rings will be more comfortable for the elbows? In your most recent video on elbow pain, I took away the message that the body will move where it's strongest when you're on the rings, which means that it will move to put more stress on the tendons so that you can produce more force. Was this a stance you arrived at recently, or am I missing something?
In this video I said that rings are useful as they can conform to the strongest and most comfortable positions as you ascend and descend. I don’t think this is conflicts with that I say in the video about golfers elbow.
If you’re pain free, chin-ups are fine. One problem with chin-ups is they can feel uncomfortable at the very bottom (significant supination and shoulder external rotation). Pull ups can feel uncomfortable on the wrists at the very top (extreme pronation). This has nothing to do with golfers elbow and is simply due to extreme ranges of wrist movement. Rings can swivel and allow more natural positions throughout.
However, if you’re experiencing golfers elbow, chin-ups are GENERALLY more provocative. Some say rings are the solution for the reason above. While they can help, I think this benefit is overstated as people still tend to swivel to the strongest positions (chin-up grip). If rings still cause pain, a pull up grip on a bar can be the solution as it PREVENTS the painful position.
There’s no problem with stress through a tendon if your body can adapt and handle it. All resistance training stresses tendons.
In the presence of injury/pathology, we often want to modify activities to make them pain free.
I hope that clears things up?
@@SimonsterStrength Wow, I'm honored that you took the time to go into such depth. That cleared things up for me. I think the missing link in my understanding was that the stress rings can cause on the elbows is to the extent that you mimic the chin-up grip, rather than throughout the entire pulling motion. And you gave me other nuggets of wisdom in your reply as well :D. Thanks so much for taking the time to lay everything out, I really appreciate it!
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In the interest of being smart and informed about ones training RUclips should make this video pop up whenever their algorithm suspect anyone will be doing chinups/pullups. Heck it should come pre-installed on ios and android devices.
Hello thank you for this informative video 🙌
Second
Can you make a video about how to build muscle using calthtanics basic exercises pull ups ,chin up , Push ups
About the right technics timing
And set's.
And finally
Thank for your awesome content ✨🌹.
All the respect from Jordan.
Just do sets and reps for like 2 to 3 years and you will have a good physique..
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how you don’t start off with both as the answer is crazy 😂😂
This is because it’s not that simple and the answer is nuanced. For example, if you have golfers elbow that is aggravated by chin-ups, you should only be doing pull-ups. Further, even if you’re doing both, the one you prioritize should depend on your goals. Finally, they’re very similar and may you prefer to only include one of the two in a training block as you prioritize other goals.
I prefer to provide a background to draw upon for my conclusions rather than giving a blanket statement from the start.
However, if you watched the full video, I basically reach that conclusion - most people benefit from doing both.
@@SimonsterStrength Of course but the goal should always be to AIm to do both