I played a set VS a USTA 4.5...but WITH A CATCH! (Tennis set mic'd up)
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2022
- In this video I played a set vs Winston Du (USTA 4.5), but I was not allowed to HIT WINNERS! My goal is to show you how to play players who are below your level. I'll walk you through my strategies, decision-making to show you my approach when playing matches like this.
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I know these UCLA guys can walk and chew gum at the same time. But, we need to acknowledge it ain't easy to play rally balls AND do commentary at the same time. Karue was barely out of breath. Really good on-court lesson.
Thank you!
There is a saying among runners that may be applicable here. They say if you can still sing, you are not running hard enough, and if you can barely talk, you are running too fast. Neither is desirable.
What do you mean? Why wouldn’t be easy to play and do commentary? You just say what you’re thinking. I’m constantly doing commentary in my head while I’m playing and I don’t think it’s something unique to me in any way. Idk. Am I wrong?
@@jjmah7 he’s talking about commentary out loud. When your speaking and being active, it’s more physically taxing than just being active and in this case, rallying well
@@kianp4585 yeah but he's playing someone well - WELL below his skill level. he's barely even playing.
Just watched a video from Nick from Intuitive Tennis and he basically said it's pointless to play people below your level. But here you are playing an amateur showing how to beat him. I like the tactics and tips you provided.
Karue this video really opened my eyes. I played my 4.5 buddy this morning and won 8 games straight by implementing "no winners allowed". I was honestly shocked by that strategy when I am so used to playing hero ball. I started breaking down fitness wise by game 13 or 14 but those first 8 were an epiphany. Thanks for all you do to help us club level players get closer to the players we would like to become.
Let’s gooo! Glad we could help
Tennis is a game of percentage, whoever makes the least mistakes wins
@@cks2020693 for sure. I have really been focusing on consistency to get to 4.5.
Hockey player here. We would do a drill where we wouldn't shoot when in the offensive zone. By taking that option away you can keep the play in their zone almost indefinitely. It's really interesting. Similar concept here
Funny " hero ball" If you look at average FH speed of ATP players it's not really that fast. 70-80 MPH. Of course they can whale on a ball when it's there for them. But I know the type of guy your talking about. They try to hit every ball to knock the cover off and they do hit a few shots in the court only a pro could hit as hard. But it's few and far between.
It always amazes me how on return of server, high-level players seem to have all the time in the world to get set and hit the return. Karue looks like he is waiting for the ball to come to him and have a lot of time on his hands to decide what to do on the return. When I'm returning server, it feels like I'm just barely reacting to the serve even on moderate speed serves.
You can see patterns in your opponent's ball toss, how he serves under pressure and knowing that the second serve isn't going to be very threatening - all this is info to be able to hit good returns. That's why high level players seem to be able to return serves from lower level players so easily.
That's maybe because you don't split step correctly while receiving serve.
@@Ajimeer what do you mean with correctly ? so you can split step wrong ?! what´s the right way then ?
@@Ajimeer Nah. It's not that simple. Ben Tan was describing it the right way. It's about knowing the next shot. The anticipating of it.
I am probably somewhere 4.0 compared to the US system and I use to get coaching lessons from a guy that is ranked top 300 here in Germany. Even when I hit 3 or 4 of my best shots on a fast court in a row, it's still like very easy for him to just do anything with my high risk shots that he likes to do. He has the anticipating, he has the legs and the ability to change grip and turn his body quickly all the time.
In that regard many of his abilities come together and they define the difference of a solid recreational player like myself and a guy that could easily play division 1 in the States.
It is primarily the TIMING of the split step, which there are tons of factors that dictates how to do perfect timing and even some pros don't have PERFECT timing, it is a missive skill.
Wow this is amazing! Really enjoy this type of videos!
nice
Watched this first on Winston's channel and definitely noticed you were playing a lot more "reserved" than proper expectations versus if you were playing fully aggressive. One solid lesson my college coach instilled in me that echoes your advice is you will often beat many an opponent if you're simply consistent; especially at the rec/amateur level. Was the gem that he constantly drilled in me as I came in with the mentality of wanting to hit big, but was losing matches by giving away my own errors. When you start to panic and think you need to constantly go for bigger shots than you're capable in often poor positioning, errors often creep up from plain impatience. It can drive many people into overthinking when you keep returning quality balls and don't seem anxious to bail out of any point. Obviously the quality of patterns and shot-making increases as you go up in levels which can also create a different variable of pressure, but playing high-percentage within your means is a solid way to stay steady and play more confidently. Awesome commentary and demonstration, Karue. 💛
This was incredibly insightful, so many of the things mentioned I didn’t even realise were ‘mistakes’ per say, but were all things I know I’ve fallen victim to myself (things like feeling I have to move my opponent at crazy angles to apply pressure, yet you’ve just won by only hitting neutral shots). Really shows how the higher levels think.
"Win with your legs". My Grandfather drilled that into my head tons when I played. A lot of players forget that just moving and taking small steps make a ton of difference. I just found both your channels, makes me want to get back into the game.
Great , unique content. One of my favorite Tennis channels. There's so much value in this for us rec players. Thanks.
Great great video! It's very inspiring to me as I see the difference in footwork and rhythm two players demonstrated.
Mic’d up sets are my absolute favorite content. Awesome!!!
AMAZING Content with this one! and the commentary and discussion at the end was superb !
Great instruction on the mental game from both perspectives. Thank you
One thing that's never mentioned about split stepping: it's exhausting! To maintain it at all, especially for the entire match, you need cardio baby.
For me, and put simply, I need to be sub 6:30 mile to be able to do it consistently.
Wish they would bring up that little nugget when they mention it. :)
Really useful. Just like the golfing legend Peter Alliss would say: 'First you have to learn to hit the ball, then you have to learn to play the game'.
This is a great video. Thank you, Karue for this content.
Thanks Karue for putting out such content. Keeps us interested & gives us a new perspective
Thanks for watching
Really appreciate this video, the comments and the coaching!
I saw the video on Winston's channel and (I can say what I want but) I recognized the strategy. I'm using it myself in table tennis and the funny thing is the score difference is even larger when you go this way than when you try crushing him, because you're taking all the risk then. Good stuff!
Incredible content Karue! I’m a 4.5 myself and this was a great way to show the difference in level. Good for Winston for hanging in there😃
Winston is more of a 4.0 not a 4.5
@@cp_703 he almost beat Mark Sansait, a 5.0
@@cp_703 i agree
@@cp_703 his groundstrokes are definetly 4.5 level
His serve is his weakest shot, its almost 3.5
@@hansrindswurst2448 Yeah the serve is a big issue for sure but the other thing is his fitness/athleticism. He made so many forced errors by simply not being able to get to balls quick enough when they were definitely within reach. Not to mention the footwork is the first thing to go when you get tired (leading to unforced errors) which was the case with Winston here too. His groundstrokes are good. I think by simply improving his serve and fitness he would improve substantially. Those two things are really holding him back.
Pro vs. Am Series is amazing. Looking forward to seeing the second set where you're full out :D
For anyone wondering: the red lines on the court are for the orange dot ball junior tennis. Really good practice to try to use those court dimensions
I saw your commentary on Winstons channel were you said that lower players often try harder shots against better players and thus make more errors. I really took this too heart and played my best match so far this year. I really hope i can remember that lesson.
Loved watching on Winston's channel, and really loving this follow-up on your. Great collab with you two and high value for us lower rec folks.
Great video! The psychology behind your approach was interesting, as I related to Winston in this video. He was playing well, but you were always in control.
Ok, I absolutely love this. I saw Winston's POV of the match and I was like, something is kinda off here. Now I know. I think it's pretty cool that Winston didn't know that you weren't allowed to hit winners. I like the two different perspectives of the people playing the match. I loved every min. of this. More of this kind of content. A+
But I would also have like to see a set where Karue played his normal game without any handicap. Perhaps Winston would have upped his game due to a nothing- to-lose mindset. I think it is trickier playing against someone below your level because you have more to lose.
nice video, having done tons of chairs, it is interesting seeing the catch and mouse game, many of the top players, especially in college seem to play rope a dope, staying steady until the spot opens. That is what separates the best from the next tier. Also the difference in footwork and racket prep is huge
Precisely. Manage the point until there is a clear opening for you to be more aggressive and take calculated risk
i was surprised by your defensive style of play and only later i understood your concept to make no winners in this match ;-) very interesting series!
Love this type of content. I am chess fanatic as well. Love when GM Hikaru plays amateurs it really shows the level. Or when ping pong Pros play Adam with a score behind. I would love to see Karue start with a deficit perhaps 0-30 every game and win. Great content. Absolutely love it.
When I lose I literally don't care 😅
Hahah I too am a tennis chess and table tennis combo
need more of this content, very cool video.
Great video! Like many, I saw the video from the other guy's perspective first, and it was fantastic to see what you were doing and why. I noticed that you were just hitting very consistently (and that was enough to force errors), but I didn't realize the reason why. Well done.
Amazing video! Best tip I've learned in tennis
Well done! Nice video. I liked the red lines drawn in to help visualize everything. Good job Karue 🎯💯
red lines definitely helped
This really is gonna improve my game, thanks for the video!
I just watched the video from Winston's channel, and your video is so helpful because I'm also a 4.5 player and when I play a player better than myself, very often I try to play hard and reach my limit and normally it brings more unforced errors. It is so interesting that Winston didn't know you had this "no-winner" mindset, and it works as you planned to help us. :D
precisely why I didn’t want to tell him. I was also curious to know what pressure he was feeling from me. Had he known he could have just pushed it back in
Well, to winston, karou 30% shots (my estimate) is already winner capable shots. To winston all of those shots are super fast.
@@pencilcheck I get your point, but Karue kept his shots inside the red lines. So us recreational players could do the same thing when we play inferior players. Just keep the ball relatively mid court and not too long, but swinging confidently and just trying to reduce unforced errors. It should work on like any level.
It's a good drill to mark two lines between serve line and base line and try to play all balls in that space if you don't have these pickle ball lines like in the US.
@@melfox215 My read is that in winston point of view, he is also not really hitting winners, the only thing he keep doing is hitting the net, or simply not able to close the point when getting to the net. He didn't have much trouble with serves but it can definitely be improved. He didn't have much trouble with consistency as that is his game but yet he still get defeated. The real lesson I take away is serve. Karue serve even at this level, is still too good for winston. Not asking too much, but if Winston can at least hold his serve to get easy points this might turn out to be a bit different.
Hard when you play a better player though. His balls are faster and more accurate putting you in difficult positions.
Enjoyed this, interesting analysis and strategy. Good stuff.
thank you
I think the most telling sign of his level is how he started quite well on his serve, not great but not bad, and when that level of play wasn't quite enough to win him the game he kind of deflated a bit. Anyway, great video! Confidence in your play and properly executing a good strategy is far better that botching a top tier one.
Interesting idea Karue. Enjoyed watching how this would unfold.
Love this crossover of two of my favorite channels!!!
another great video! great advice! great concept!
Good vid. I enjoyed this. Thumbs up and subscribed.
4:25 play was hilarious, especially how Karue casually passed the ball after like he didn't just slam/crush the opponent >:D
This type of coaching and instruction is what people pay $60-$100 per hour for in a lesson with a club pro. Absolutely wonderful video, explanations, instruction, etc. Mad props, Karue. Awesome stuff and thank you.
I watched the same match on Winston’s channel earlier. The level difference is way more than I thought.
Great stuff
This is great and super helpful. I feel it took until midway through college to learn how not to play down but since I don’t play daily like in college, I’m I’ve lost that ability.
Also, love Winston’s feedback (and channel, which I recently discovered). Cool video y’all, prob my fav yet.
Tennis is a mind and legs game for sure. Brilliant video man.
My old coach always used to tell me that tennis is a game of errors. This set was a great example of that. Love your content man💪
I did not even notice the red lines in Winston’s video! Great example of how to construct a point with 3 feet margin of error
great great vide, helped me lot
just brilliant insight
This was so cool to see the in-game strategy.
great content!
Great play Winston!
The good old battering ram strategy to take the pressure off of you. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve resorted to this in high-school especially during tournaments.
I learned this in the last 2-3 years and I've never lost a match against someone inferior (where I used to in the past). It's less fun to be honest but it wins matches
Karue gives so good advice.... Amazing.
My favorite game back in college was up the middle, feed out of hand, play to 11 by 2, no winners. Every win I have ever had is because of that game. You learn to work the point, and he is absolutely right about the last point. If my opponent was going to have to hit 25-30 balls at the start just to win the point, the match was going to be over for them.
Great video, he explains the mental so well. Especially what his opponent is thinking. My only thing, not sure if his opponent is 4.5. He really didn’t have much shot variation. His head might of been too all over the place to really be thinking about changing it up, poor guy.
This is awesome!
Just watched this on Winston's channel and was wondering if you had some kind of gentleman's agreement! 😀
Such valuable insights and fantastic to have both sides now.
My level is a bit below Winston's and am really working on remaining consistent, especially when feeling under pressure to overplay.
Thank you so much and cheers from Sydney, David
Amazing bro!! 😍😍
Nice to see a countryman playing tennis so well. Congratulations Karue!
I would like to see you play a second set with Winston, but this time trying more winners and net volleys. I would like to see the difference between a tactical set and a more aggressive one.
Will work on that for sure
The backhand shots of the pro lands very deep. That makes a difference.
Awesome coaching.
This was a great series between you and Winston, I enjoyed both you takeaways and advice/reflections in your separate videos.
great content and mentality lesson, my constant mentality regardless the opponent level is "I got to do more or else he will dominate" so being with that aggressive mindset at my low level is my guarantee for losing :D. Trying to change it gradually! Well done, great opportunity for Winston also to play against a player of your level!
Exactly. Again, don't play cautious or stop going for your shots, just pick the right moments to do so and play into big targets
@@MyTennisHQ I applied your teachning to my last two friendly matches. There are 2 challenges in the mentality change that I have seen, 1st is to put all the focus on the highest quality consistent ball (meaning on the best possible for my almost 4.0 level) with the right amount of pace, topspin, curve, depth but not trying to make it a winner or a very offensive . Challenge #2 (even more difficult) is to prepare mentally for large rallies and that you will get more balls back. Even though in reality making very consistent and good rally shots will shorten the rally on my advantage, it is difficult to get into a more "reactive" mode rather than being the one to pull the trigger first. In both of the matches the result was very positive even though I struggled more mentally. I will keep on it feels like I just start playing tennis matches the proper way!😳Thanks again for the revelation momment!
Karue, I love watching you hit your groundstrokes! I think your strategy and words of wisdom are things a lot of us could learn from and apply to our games!
Good Video 👍 I will try this tomorrow in my first league Match 🎾💚😀
Thought this was great. It also says a lot that Winston couldn't outright tell that you weren't hitting winners because you did so well to be 'aggressive safe' in still hitting through the ball and getting depth. Without watching it back I wouldn't be surprised if Winston played almost every point behind the baseline unless you brought him in with a drop shot.
Like you said it's a fine line and you want to be safe but not ease off to the point where you're giving him balls to feed off also.
"win with your legs" goood quote bro. if you look at their technique, karu uses his legs sooo much more on every shot. very enlightening tbh.
it's funny i got to watch winston's video first without the comments from Karue. Now i know Karue does the safe shots on purpose to show how to win without playing risky shots. great job, good video.
That was a great video. Thanks
lol great vid. makes sense why you were staying down the middle on winston's earlier video.
Found you through Winston’s channel.. liked and Subbed
Eu assisto seus vídeos dando risada, a sua técnica é ABSURDA, vejo mais consistência em você do que em muitos jogadores on tour, congratulations bro keep inspiring
I was watching this from the other perspective and I really had wondered if you were holding out on him. Guess I was right. Great content!
Calling your shot location is such a great practice idea when playing down - a level or two above just calling which shot (FH / BH) the ball is coming to. Loved that mid-point commentary.
I noticed this when I saw the match on Winston's channel that you didnt hit any winners. I also noticed that you serve was very calculated also...very interesting perspective...fantastic video!
I watched his video and could tell you were playing with this strategy. Good to see I was right and not imagining it! I am a 5.0+ player
Very well played, Karue.
It seems to me that the amount of topspin you can apply with your forehand is much bigger than the topspin you can apply with your backhand, that’s why you could keep your forehand shots more in bounds than your backhand.
So this “never attack and always keep the ball deep” strategy will work better with your forehand, because you need lots of topspin for that.
As with your backhand, it will be more suitable for a close to the net, flat attacking ball.
So he missed a couple of backhands and you think you can shit on his backhand and offer a pro level player advice? What level do you play?
Marco, I believe Karue said in the companion video that his better side is his backhand side.
Hi there! Great content, as always! Could you maybe do a one-handed backhand guide video?
Karue, you also hit that ace out wide which technically counts as a winner. 😀 This video will be bookmarked on my end, quality play and perspective from both you and Winston. I loved it, thank you.
thank you! Happy it could help
Analysis talk at the end was the best part. 12:30
In addition to no winners I also think you were not hitting anywhere near full power. So you also weren’t forcing many errors.
I think a great way to play is 15- or 30- love for the weaker player each game. If you’re playing 30-0, then also one serve for stronger player. And any deuce or ad in or ad out points won by weaker player are game points. This forces better player to make very few mistakes and not give away points.
In this particular match up I think 40-0 would be appropriate to make it competitive. Meaning any point lost by stronger player would actually be a game lost. (If you get to a tie break, then 5-0 start for weaker player and only have to win by one if tied. )
Great vid big fan of your game
Wow, I did not notice your strategy watching Winston's video. I just thought you were consistent. Thanks for the lesson, I will definitely apply to my mindset on the game right away.
nice video thank you teacher
A big thing is having good fitness as I might go for my shots and miss them in net or wide as I don't have fitness to keep going hitting in middle all the time
That’s a very cool video, super helpful and I think many things in it are universal and apply not only in the situations when playing a lower level opponent. On another note, I have a technical question: what camera did you use for this video? Thanks!
and in WD's videos, i saw you gave him the advice to do split stance properly and move proactively, thats really precious one for lots of players
Would totally love to see how you would tackle a deficit of being down 1-5 in a set. It would definitely break my mental spirit.
I saw both of the channels on this match. I really enjoyed you playing other youtuber. I hope you can play other tennis youtuber, especially the guys on Top Tennis Training!
Karue is so solid off the ground it's inspiring
After taking many years off, lost sight of this concept, good stuff.
thank you
damn, winston is making it up in the tennis content creator world!!!
I watched the game in WD's channel yesterday, i was wondering why all you return went to middle. now i see the reason, and somehow youtube really knows which videos shall be recommended first.
This is valuable.
Where did this come from..🤣 Now I have to go back to Winston's channel and make some changes because I accused you of hitting straight to Winston but I see now you're doing it on purpose. You make it look so easy man.👍👍
It's crazy to see the comparison of racket head speed here. Seems like Karue manages his energy and efficiency incredibly well as opposed to all the amateur players (myself included) that waste energy on strokes.
I hope you are my coach. Got so many things right.
Love this content. I would also think it'd be great to see what things recreational players need to learn/do to go from 4.0 to 4.5, from 4.5 to 5.0 and past a 5.0+ level, etc or something along those lines. How long it might take someone to get to these milestones, how they go about achieving it (or if it's even possible based on age, etc.)
I really like this concept, but wouldn't it be highly dependent on what parts of the player's game needs improvement? You would need tailored coaching sessions, dedicated practice, and competitive matches
@@DeceitfulDestiny I agree. I feel like a general outline of what things separate each NTRP rating would be helpful. They're are always going to be outliers, but for example if you wanted to go from a 3.5 to a 5.0+, what checkpoints would one need to be able to get to to progress at each stage, and in what ways could they try/practice to achieve that.
@@ohnor usta has the characteristics of ntrp ratings. They’re a rough outline of how that rating player plays. But there’s still a lot of gray area.
Best thing to do is to play/practice
@@mangoslice6319 Yea, I've seen those outlines. I believe there are a few optional ways to practice/improve, and many inefficient ways. We know there are far too many people who just play matches nonstop or drill like mad and are stuck at the same rating/skill level for years.
I'm hoping that they could possibly do something on, "these are the things you should focus on to get through that bottleneck that you've been stuck at for years," since it seems if someone has been stuck at the same skill level for that long, maybe they need to change their focus.