PT4: IS FAT JOE LYING IN HIS SONGS? DEE-1 SPEAKS USING LYRICS FOR CLOUT& RAPPERS BEING ROLE MODELS
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Thank you Mecca for not staying quiet on this topic 🙏🏾✌🏾🎤
True story!
Mecca needs to stay quiet for all topics.
@@BE-bk1tbyou must be as dumb as Math
Math wouldn't even let him talk
He's quiet & caculated with his.... Wise ones don't speak to much they just listen
It's crazy that we have to convince adults that influencing kids to be gangstas with repetitive music is probably not a good idea smh and then we blame the kids for not having enough knowledge to decipher the Bible and other religious texts when the adults themselves can't even control they mouth.
Nobody is influencing kids to be gangsta. Are video games influencing kids to be killers? Damn! Are we really that bad that common sense doesn’t exist anymore? Think about how many things these kids, particularly nowadays have at their disposable that they can learn about from a distance, that a lot of us never had, and all they can do is pick up on violent rap lyrics and then act like they had no choice or decision in the matter. C’mon.
@@BE-bk1tb 50 years of Hip hop and people still can't see it influences kids smh. Comeonnow
@@leroygreen6310They know it does… just don’t want to acknowledge it
@@BE-bk1tb Nobody sees a character in a video game as a roll model, children are very good at seperating the fictional world in movies or games from the real world, this issen’t with rap music where an artist would do anything to proof he doesn’t change charachter when his job is done inside the studio. They’re not compareable in any way. Beside that it’s also proven by studies music so simply only instrumental has a bigger influence on behaviour than images, that’s why the soundtrack in a movie has such a big impact in creating suspense and other emotions in movies, even in the time of silent movies there would allways atleast be a pianist if not an orchestra playing a long, fighters also don’t play a movie scène to get in the zone mentally to fight, that’s something only music does
Ive never been to jail never sold drugs and have been a fan of rap music my entire life my role model is my dad and my moma not one rapper
Math doesn't want to take ACCOUNTABILITY
Thank you
Most dudes with 7 or 8 kids by different baby mommas never do smh he’s so goofy
That's the dumbest comment ever
Bottom line💯💯
Just like all other artists
Having a father and mother doesn’t mean dudes don’t look up to rappers. I’ve seen plenty dudes who had both parents still buy into negative influences
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! A lot of time the youth see the parents as not being cool but the artist is the one who is cool and who they want to emulate.
@@growngrownman5950Yep. There will always be a percentage of kids more influenced by their peers and popular culture than their parents.
Also some parents have negative mindsets which can also contribute.
I am one of them I have both parents but I still looked up to Snoop as a role model and I was only like 14 or 15 but I thought he was cool
@@growngrownman5950 Exactly. If you think about it you probably listening to artists on the bus going to school, on the bus going home, in the bedroom when you get home. You listening to them more than your parents.
Math as a rapper doesn't want to take accountability for what he's rapping about. The truth is Math lyrics is influencing the next battle rapper coming up
Dude is 43 years old and trying to break in the industry wo
It’s deeper than music. They taught us in schools that our history started as a slaves
Exactly he wilding
A rapper's job is to rap, not necessarily to uplift or educate your children. Always remember that.
Its simple: math dont wanna be held accountable for the statements in his raps😅
Just like how movie stars and Hollywood dont get judge.. This argument is dumb.. I bet this same dude goes home and watch plenty of action movies with plenty of murder going on. I betvhe hustvtakes it for what it is.. Just a movie.. So why tf ppl don't do the same for hip hop.. I bet he loves him some Samuel L Jackson movies.. Shit the terminator can unalive several ppl in a movie and still be in politics
@@kwameamanfo1314 Actually, i hardly ever watch movies. But yeah, the same argument can be made against hollywood movies, i totally agree with you on that
Math bro let Mecca say something man, you keep trying to drown him out and that's not ok. He's co-hosting with you for a reason. He's very wise and we appreciate that about him.
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This
Mecca gonna bounce too
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Cue Mecca and Math beef in 3, 2, 1
The fact that he’s saying that these top artists are not in leadership roles is CRAZY
In a sense They aren't
Cause they can't be positive if they wanted to MIA exposed that a few years back
Meek mill said they get paid more for rapping nonsense
So again they are leaders but they're being controlled too
There not bro since when a artist is a leader
You're confusing being influentcial with the power and responsibility of being a leader.
Lol who says rappers are leaders?
They rhyme words ...
Math you gotta listen to Mecca sometimes bruh lmao 🤣 😩
I was really about to comment this 🤣🤣
I fear if the agenda got to him because it's so evident he don't want to listen .
he absolutely needs to ,he need sot stop tryin to win the argument or /and justifying his past actions
In my opinion, Dee be dropping Gems 💎
Bro going against a lot of resistance, much respect to Dee One. 💯
He wasn't going against any resistance both side were getting their shots off loud and clear and both have a point, but at the end of the day Math is right. He was talking about how the overall culture has fallen so far that entertainers have become demigods and idols, while Dee-1 and Mecca their merely talking about what comes out of rapper's mouths. To fix a situation like this you have to look at the whole system of whats happening and Math was closer to that.
That fact that Math is a battle rapper and also studies rap but doesn’t understand why hip hop started is crazy to me.He claimed that Dee is taking the fun away from rap but why does it have to be fun in your eyes?! Murder frequency is fun to you and these kids are getting younger and younger killing each other but that’s fun to you ?!
Right. There's plenty of fun rap that isn't about murder, sex, etc.
When Fat Joe made that statement, it was in context with the YSL case.
He low key was throwing young thug a bone.
That's all I can say.
Nah Math, you off the mark on this one bruh. You tryna tell us you weren't influenced by any rappers when you was coming up? I grew up in the era when conscious hip hop was dominant. And guess what, I'm conscious as hell, becuz I was influenced. Stop tryna protect rappers from taking responsibility for the things they say!
It’s not just entertainment. People listen to dance music when they want to dance, sad music when they’re sad, and chill music when they want to relax. Math stated in previous podcast that 50 cent how to rob made him do certain things. Music is programming. Censorship is important especially with kids qnd even with adults.
SPOT ON!
Lol that song didn’t make him do anything that he wouldn’t have already done, we all heard that same song probably the same amount of times and we didn’t go do no stupid shit
That's b.s. I listened to rap music all my life and never been to jail and never sold dope a day in my life my role models are my dad and my moma
@@OfficialBigDawgKel supportive parents help teach you the right way. There are millions of people that don’t have that support. The music raises them. It could be because they had no parents or their parents were busy. I personally grew up with people that became gang members, and sold drugs and lived in the streets by imitating their favorite artists.
@@gptruepro those favorite artists that you are talking about probably got sucked into gang culture because of the same reasons as your friends and I'm sorry to inform you that rap music isn't the culprit of why the father isn't in the household or any other tragedies we encounter in our communities. We used to look to martin Luther King and Malcom x for leadership not David ruffin and Ike Turner
He's covering his ass
he gotta change his name tf he mean "mecca" the guy is probably christian also🤣🤣🤣
Yea, I knew plenty of dudes with present mothers & fathers (me included) that emulated rap/rappers. Music is powerful, words/lyrics are influential/spells as well. The argument made abt white music not being as violent, or the more violent artist not being pushed in the mainstream is real as well .. they came after Korn, Marilyn Manson and others for a reason…look at what the school shooters be listening to bc it ain’t no fkn Bob Dylan 👀
@@jrjlr2004🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️💯💯💯!!
Math is right! Us men need to take responsibility and raise our children! Stop saying rappers are role models! Stop making babies with women you don’t want! That’s the main issue!! Pick a decent woman and raise your children!
Math don't know what his son would do when with his friends
Rappers are story tellers not political leaders
Dee 1 gonna make you reflect on a lot of negatives in Our community.. Last Poets chit right there 👍🏾
Hip Hop and the black experience got too intertwined in America.
MATH, I can see why you’re not where you want to be . You DO NOT TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY
Math was wrong on this one, rappers are role models unintentionally
No rappers are not role modelz your role model is the one who raised you say thing is people let other people raise their kids they don't raise their kids on their own they let other people raise their kids and we know fat Joe wasn't lying we know he was really what he say he was
If you admire a rapper as a role model, you may have more issues than you think.
He’s Always Wrong
No he's not wrong what is wrong with parents lick other things become a role models when parents let television and radio raise their kids when they don't want to raise their kids their self and you might be one of
@@rodrickhood Actually they are unintentionally is the keyword, it’s not kids who got parents that’s looking up to these rappers it’s the ones who have no father it’s no different then them looking up to and joining a gang.
When you are a kid and you have no father figure the rappers are your role models. I listened to rap at like 6 years old. I went in to the crime culture it ruined most of my life. Acting like if you don't have a father that lives with you then you don't matter.
Anything you partake in with your senses has an influence on you.
DEE 1 is my Guy✊🏾💯💪🏾🔥🔥🔥 salute @mecca been knew you was righteous ✊🏾💯
Aligning with Mecca is not a good look this guy still sucks his thumbs
When I was kid my Dad told me Snoop Dogg isn't standing on a corner selling drugs or doing a drive by, he's in the studio writing and recording songs. I agree with you Math
Watch the Dr. Dre segment on the 1995 documentary "The Show". "Anything who wants to go and do this shit is stupid".
Love Dee One, He is calling it for what it is. And here we are 50 years later acting like our music doesnt teach our youth. I learned more about religion from the rap game than any church. And our music lacks the accountability that use to be the standard.
Entertainment is the new scape GOAT.
Stupidity is the only scape GOAT. Music is entertainment. Rap has many sub-genres. With that being said, there is some truth is some lyrics and then there are stuff that is made up. That's how entertainment works. You have some idiots that think that rap has to be all truth and facts, yet every other genre and forms of entertainment does not. I'm with Math(for once) if you're taking educational values from entertainment industry, then you have a race that is lost.
Nah, that's been the case for awhile now. People have been blaming music, movies, and video games for the last 30 years as an excuse for our violent culture.
@@generalnsj The violence been there since the 60s. The music started to put a soundtrack to it and thus amplified it greatly, starting chiefly in the 90s.
Math as a fellow Israelite you know better, Malcolm X proved DECADES ago that unfortunately we as blacks are the only ppl that look to our entertainers and athletes for direction. This is nothing new, this isn’t a decline in our society/community, it’s ALWAYS has been like this right or wrong to look up to rappers. Stop coppin pleas for them. Yes, parents shud do better but let’s keep it a buck and hold rappers and these LABELS accountable whether they like it or not they are leaders. Yes it’s unfortunate but it is what it is…
We are not the only people who do that. It's celebrity culture as a whole. Them people just made Trump President ffs. A reality tv guy. They invaded the White House because of that mf. Black people aint never done no shit like that.
Stop that israeli nonsense and come back to your roots which is traditional Islam
Indeed he did 50+ years ago... Dick Gregory said in an interview why would I look towards people in the entertaining business for clarity. They are part of the machine of exploitation!!
Can’t hold accountable when everyone claims to not be accountable
Does he not realized they have always called it a “television PROGRAM”. They have always used forms of entertainment to PROGRAM citizens and used as a distraction to life. Look at the black community with Marvin Gaye, Isley Brothers and Al Green; compared to the current black communities, that is flooded with the garbage “music” that flood the airs now. OUR MUSIC influences us.
I appreciate you math for giving dee this type of platform and also having your point of view.
This is one of the most powerful segments relating to the intertwining of American blackness and hip-hop ever produced on ANY platform.
With great power comes great responsibility
Math is gonna end up hosting this show by himself soon. His ego is getting in the way of productive conversations. Mecca's voice is just as important.
Nah it's way better than vlad interrupting every 30 secs
Accountability my bros.
The moment the hip hop community decides to hold itself accountable, the community will move forward.
its not hiphop. its the record labels who made it the dominant genre of black music. before hiphop came along, young street guys listened to the Isley Brothers and funk bands like Parliament. They listened to singers and bands who played with instruments. Our music tastes were more diverse before rap..we listened to jazz, blues, all kinds of stuff..country, etc. We invented a lot of forms of music. The powers that be, as they're called, made Rap the most dominant and visible form of black entertainment. They created this atmosphere where there's no balance. Hiphop community does promote violence whether they intend to or not, but at the same time, its more powerful entities that made hiphop as visible as it is in our society nowadays.
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If you are a influencer, then you are a leader. [The Truth Hurts Math] Great Episode
👍🏾 this actually turning into a cold interview
I get what Math is saying, but they are addressing to kids with no parents or parents that don't have time due to working so much to pay the bills. These rappers need to be held accountable thry are hypnotizing these kids.
It's not just music, anything that keeps the brain in a dreamlike state can influence someone to do something crazy
It's up to YOU to prepare yourself to not get caught up in those states. It can come from politics, shopping, religion, anything that causes you to escape from reality around you
Big Homie Drop the Whole Interview! The Guest Is Really On To Something‼️
Math is just playing devils advocate to make good conversation
The Great Vybz Kartel once said “ima entertainer, I get paid to entertain, if looking towards me to raise your kids you’ve failed as a parent”
Facts
It's the parents job to raise children.
Math is full of excuses
Full of them!!!
I’m with Math on this. Also as a young fella, way back in the old’n days, I understood when Barkley(Charles) said basically “don’t look to me to be your kids role model”.
If kids listen to "murder music" all day, everyday, you're saying it doesn't influence them? If you believe that you're delusional. Sorry to say, rappers ARE role models to these kids. The rapper has the kids ears more hours out the day than most parents.
Love Math but he should give Mecca a chance to be be heard❤❤
Switched up so quick when trap lore Ross walked out the building 😂
Math being Naiive
Nah, he's capping
@@shellshockdc This is one of the few times that math is correct. Music is entertainment. That's it.
Math capping on this one no respect for his opinion
“Common sense is not controversial.” Much respect to Dee-1 for being a truth teller.
Hip hop run from accountability like they running from the police
Math ain't being realistic rappers have influence
They do have influenced but it don't mean they are leaders and you can't force a rapper to be a leader. He just wants to rap.
That's what Math is saying it ain't that difficult to understand.
Those that don't understand this is because they want rappers as leaders.
There are far more better role models to turn to not rappers and that's what he is saying.
Influence on bastard kids. The home is first
Added to our Culture Now Playlist 🏆
Can’t have it both ways yall was killing trap lord Ross but don’t want to hold rappers accountable
THIS is the comment I was looking for.
@@AirunDevon 💯🫡
So rappers need to be responsible for kids who aren’t theirs, but their own parents don’t have to be held accountable? 🤦🏽♂️
1:09 Rappers are parents and teachers ? We gonna give them that much power.
Hell no fat joe not lying
Fat Joe is trash
Your content is refreshingly authentic, keeps me coming back for more!
Math you sounding crazy in this argument
I love this debate 🎉🎉🎉
Moses was a leader. He never saw the promised land. You have to know that being a true leader isn’t necessarily a blessing for the person leading, but for the people being lead.
Math has a point... No other race places the responsibility of leadership on its entertainers.. however we have a unique situation because most of our children don't have male models that they admire, they look at the entertainers because they've transcended poverty, making them role models by default.
Remember Music is one of the only things that enter your body without your consent. It’s a powerful tool.
They just should have asked Math this question,”so Math, what rappers INFLUENCED you the most growing up?”
Math! Math! Math! What these gentlemen were trying to tell you, but you wouldn't listen, is that a substantial amount of our children don't have their Father or Mother for that matter in the House hold you are there to guide your son to decipher between what's right and wrong
Culture tore up and every time somebody come along trying to help everybody want to tell them how they are wrong. It's wild watching.
This back and forth shows the difference in telling what it SHOULD be and telling what it IS.
Math broke it down intelligently. My moms told me at 8 years old don’t believe shit them rappers saying. Eminem not chopping nobody up and it’s all entertainment. Blame is most definitely on the parents
Thank u brothers🙏 ...much love
Math got a point about having good parents and role models for young people...but influence is real also!!! Rappers and Emcees got to be accountable for the influence they give out!!!
Rappers share their experiences and perspectives, drawing from what they've seen or the legendary stories passed down by elders from their upbringing in the Hood. In a way, it's similar to a book writer with a vivid imagination telling a story, like Nas does. I have to agree with Math on this one.
White supremacy has brainwashed YOU into thinking that. Rap music is a tool of White Supremacy. Wake up
That would be fine if in their songs they told the results of all the gangster sh*t. It's like everyone is a super killer and no one gets caught, hurt, killed or any other repercussions for their actions.
3:14 thought Math was a boutta go left. But that was a great point.
He's saying exactly what I been saying since the early 2000s with a lot of the bubble gum crunck type songs. If they made a song with the hook going 2 plus 2 equals 5, huh, 2 plus 2 equals 6, huh, 2 plus 2 equals 7, huh, 2 plus 2 equals 8 huh. To a catchy beat and people start going along with it. But the reality is 2 plus 2 will always be 4 no matter what. And this is the problem when people don't think for themselves. They become blind sheeps following a corrupt shepherd.
if you take what any rapper says literally, math has a salient point about what it speaks to about our community.
😂🔥What Lil Wayne Track Was That??
Off the Lights Out record. Wayne was spitting 🔥
MATH!!! MECC Got you.. he was right. These guys are leading our children, whether we like it or not
This a good debate💯
Using FAT JOE is a bad example. He was really in the streets and certain things he can’t say.
Like what?
@@JM-iw1bx I can’t say either but, if you know you know
When the things u rap bout can put you in jail. Yes im lying
Both have points but the real point is there needs to be family dynamics. Father and mother in the household. That’s more important than making rappers accountable when the parents need to be accountable. Raising kids who can become productive citizens in our community. Skills that help uplift themselves and others
Just because the “rapper” is having fun or not understanding the role they play with their success doesn’t mean they don’t have heavy influence. When you reach a certain degree on a platform & following you have to be mindful of the influence & role. You are automatically put in a leadership role when you reach that height. Entertainment or not ppl look at these individuals, you have be accountable.
3:56 is the smartest thing math has said on this platform
Boy Math you are DEFLECTING
Street cred is the currency of fools. Period.
Dee-1 has a point, but I think the solution is ensuring that the youth understand the distinction between what they hear an MC say and what's actually applicable to them. MCs USED TO encourage that.
MATH Spoke FACTS. We shouldn’t Look To Celebrities For Leadership.💯
Yes teenage Wayne wrote that but baby put it out, the paint still stands
RAP IS ENTERTAINMENT
I know a few guys I grew up with that had had two loving parents and raised right but “ the culture, the streets, the music was more influential than parents.
Common sense is free and yet society now lacks it desperately
Math Eating Well I see 😂
Boy ain't did a burpee since the 90s
@@bluu_ice6554😂😂😂😂
At the end of a day, an entertainer's job is to entertain, not necessarily educate or uplift your children. Always remember that.
For everybody looking for that Wayne verse. “Lil Boyz” off “Tha G Code” album by Juvenile. You’re welcome.
First of all, the roles of a middle school teacher and a rapper are clearly different. A teacher's responsibility is to teach the public school curriculum. It is not the rapper's responsibility to educate our children-while it would be nice, it is not their duty.
What’s interesting to me is Dee One spends his time criticizing our community, but I have never seen a program presented by Dee One that helps the people he strongly critiques. I could be wrong, just my view on the matter.
expecting an entertainer to be a leader is always been crazy to me.
Its crazy to hear a man say he doesn't want to be a keader, be responsible or be accountable.
This why everybody keep leaving his show. He won't even let Mecca talk.
I need the whole interview....
Black people in entertainment SHOULD NOT be forced to be spokespeople for the community. They only that bs with us. The only responsibility black people on entertainment have is to platform or direct people to those who can better articulate the position you share with them.
My father raised me to listen to the music and NEVER take it literally. Just like the movies. Rappers are entertainers. not teachers not leaders not influencers. The music is a story and stories are meant to be told. Your parents are your leaders and influencers, if you can’t tell the difference your parents have failed you. I listened to G-UNIT, DIPSET, WUTANG all that. I never shot a gun, robbed anyone, or sold hard drugs.
These rappers are the father figures for a lot of these fatherless kids
Maf, u lookin crazy with the devils advocate no accountability flex
@Math, respectfully speaking, u have a problem ironically. Jk. Jokes aside tho, ur attempting to justify ignorance by making a couple logical fallacies. 1. Ur assuming everyone who lives evil in the hood isn’t influenced by rappers 2. Ur assuming hiphop only has influence in the hood 3. Ur assuming cuz a person says they’re not a role model, then it means they’re really not. But regardless, All of these are still only validating what Dee 1 sayin anyways. In ur own assumptions ur confirming that what Rappers say has influence on what people do. So even tho u made some logical fallacies in ur rebuttal to Dee 1, they only support his point more than urs. Which is that rappers should be accountable for what they talk about. The bigger question that sticks out is, y are we so quick to complain that schools give our children bad information, but don’t keep that same energy wit that dude who nice wit his words but yet does the same thing schools do to our children? Seems like we pick n choose what to complain about n never actually address the root of the problem. Mankind has a heart problem n learns to grow more n more wicked without the proper guidance. So what we choose to teach n promote as people who are influential, especially wit our words, plays an important role in how our children are trained up to become. So ANYONE who fits these charges should be held accountable regardless of the occupation. In my opinion that’s how men should lead their villages. Wit information not just emotions.