The Real Reason Christianity is Dying | The Catholic Gentleman
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- To solve any problem, we must first understand the situation and the more we can discern the causes, the more effectively we can identify a solution. Today's guest has raised and spent 20 million dollars seeking to know the cause for the decline of Christianity, specifically church attendance and open affiliation, in the West. Once discovered, he created a program that in only 3 years, across the entire city of Jacksonville, FL drove the divorce rate down by 24%. In addition, the city saw an increase of marital health, family stability, and church engagement. I am joined by J.P. De Gance to learn all about this study, his findings, and the changes that can occur with the work he is doing. We give a clear call to action to all listeners about what they can do to be a part of the solution and start to do their part to bring change to the culture for the better.
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People don’t want to talk about this at church and this is a huge problem
I’m happily married middle aged family man but if I was 24 and single there’s lots of attractive young women in church…
Why do the youngsters need dating apps?!
@@mrbaker7443 because they are afraid. I’ve tried to date in church but if it doesn’t work out women can still go bonkers and make everyone think you’re something you’re not. We need both elder men and women leading these discussions. It’s hard when women play these games tbh and guys do too but it’s because they think they have to.
@@LorenzoMasterConnector You deliberately don't date women in your church? That means your motives are not honest.
At age 75, and a Catholic convert back in 1970, I have come to believe that too many marriages were not true marriages - even Catholic marriages, so-called - from the very beginning at the altar of the wedding day. (By the way, my wife and I just celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary). I write this because if you stand at the altar and mumble some words - what is supposed to be your Sacred Vow not only to each other but also to God - but you do not understand the sacred importance of those words, that vow, I very much question the validity of that "vow" and question if you walked away really married. Too many Catholics are poorly Cathecized, too many don't live the Catholic faith, too many go into their wedding day reserved in their minds "If this does not work out, I can just get a divorce." Too many are thinking to hurry up and get to the reception. Too many think marriage is all about the touchy-feely tingles and not something religious. Catholics, so-called. Who before the wedding, and after, will not frequent Mass. Candidates later for an annulment because contrary to the belief that too many annulments are being handed out, I am convinced many should have annulments. The past decades have been a disaster about so-called marriages.
I completely disagree with you. There are way too many annulments. If you intend permanence and to have children, that's about all that's needed for a marriage to be valid. Too many divorcesxand annulments are wrecking Catholic families and destroying the Faith of the children
Most young people get married in the church because of family Dynamics, we got married in a church I did it because that's what you were supposed to do.
You are correct. By my estimation, at LEAST 70% of Catholic marriages since the early 90s are invalid. It's likely 85%. But that's my opinion.
And it's NOT men causing this. It's WOMEN.
There is a Time for Everything. Things DO run their course. Many things in Life, DO have expiration dates. Religion/Faith, Marriage, Life, etc.
Parishes might want to help catholic singles meet by providing opportunities to meet each other. Catholics in UK are mostly marrying anglicans and atheists just so they can have a family.
Years ago they had Catholic singles group at our church, and they quit having it because no one showed up not enough participation to keep it a viable program.
I do think there is a need for social goups in the Church.
At the end of the day it begins in the house. The past couple of generations have done an abysmal job at raising families in the faith. In a genuine way. If religion doesn’t matter to the parent, how can it matter to the kid? If the parent doesn’t care about church on Sundays, why would the kid?
I just saw a video title: '70% of Americans practice the occult'. Maybe that's why there's a steep decline in Christianity. The title can be verified on RUclips itself.
I love this channel so much. I love how unapologetically masculine it is. Stuff I never heard growing up.
We need more opportunities in the church for singles of all ages to meet and get married.
Also more things for singles 35 and up. As a 39 year old single man I'm really out of options of what to do. A lot of the groups that meet are either for married couples, old people or people under 35. I basically go to Mass and pray. While that's been great I want to meet other Catholics.
The church has followed the spirit of the age by hyper focusing on younger people. It's like being older has no value anymore.
A good initiative in my area was a singles event for people 30 to 50. I'd like to see something 25 to 40 or 40 to 60 or something of the sort.
Another thing is bad Catechism. I'm learning things I never knew before. There should be continuous education on church doctrine available for the Baptized provided through the churches.
Someone tried to initiate a 40+ group at one of the local parishes and it was shot down. The initiator was told “we don’t want to look like we are promoting a ‘hook up’ group!”
Excuse me???? How embarrassing and insulting to faithful Catholics!
People are being catechized on the Internet. I’m grateful for that but it’s sad. Catholics are expected to meet each other in the secular world and men in the church are terrified of approaching a woman in church for fear of being labeled a creep.
Sir, I'm just trying help but I've read about individuals who prayed the rosary for 54 days asking for a wife or husband and it worked. My biggest mistake I made over the years was trying make things happen rather than let the Lord take over; I certainly won't be making that mistake again in the future. God bless and I'm sure you'll be blessed with a great lady. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC
Thank you for getting into the real meat of the problem at 57:00
As a Catholic, I am expected to get my catechism on the Internet and find a companion on dating sites. Parishes appealing to men! That he has had success with this in Jacksonville is a miracle!
It gives me hope
There likely hasn't been success. Researchers are biased in these areas. The standards of success are often not representative of actual success, and fail to control for other variables that may have made the programs successful.
I've seen marriage initiatives increase the number of marriages, but the marriages end.
I've seen increase in youth participation in Church or other groups devolve into a social event and then fall apart.
I've seen outreach programs start to make huge inroads only to backfire resulting in worse conditions.
I've seen this inside and outside the Church.
The D.A.R.E. program of the 80s was a huge success, except it never was. They based the success on surveys of kids asking if they thought they would use drugs after the program. Oh and surveys of kids asking if they were using drugs...because kids never lie. Lol.
I don't wanna be bitter, and I know it's a blessing in disguise. But it sucks when you see men or women(if you're a man); marrying protestants or non-CAtholics... but if they do that, maybe they weren't serious about Catholicism in the first place.
Long time listener/reader. I wanted to hear more about the specific programs/practices that his organization promotes. I think there were some basic questions that went unasked. Has the apparent success in FL been replicated elsewhere? What about those two men cited in his story who were doing the "right" things but still abandoned their families? I agree that parishes do little to nothing for married couples and that needs to change, but I don't know if Communio is an answer because all we got here was a pitch and no real data.
Thanks for the comment and frequency of being with us. It certainly can be tough to get it all in. As the nature of this show is more conversational then specifically informative or academic, I find myself wishing we could carry on for another hour. I would encourage you to head over to his site and ask your questions there. To my knowledge they are very comfortable responding to questions and there is a lot more information. The study itself is a detailed 20 pages. God bless you. Please keep us in your prayers. - John
Went to the web page. In order to read their study, they ask for your phone number, mailing address, and email. I don't know these people. How well should they know me?
As to what is causing problems for the Church, the answer seems obvious; the Church is causing the problems. The leaders are corrupt.
The education of the young is woefully inadequate. In my own case, my first inkling of what is spoken of as the particular and universal judgments of God spoken of in the catechism was owing to my own efforts. If, at the time of my confirmation, the bishop had asked me detailed questions on those points, I would have had no answers.
That same bishop it was later revealed, concealed the criminal behavior of priests under his authority. He was, as is well known, not alone in this behavior.
The written materials used in my education seem to have been written by dim-witted children.
At one point in my education, a well-meaning instructor asked us, "Why did Jesus speak in parables?" I made reference to the thirteenth chapter of Matthew. Parallel accounts are to be found in the forth chapter of Mark, and the eighth chapter of Luke.
"11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them." Mark 4:11-12
An astounding passage... The instructor told me not to be sarcastic.
And little research - Some reasons for the decline FSU researchers hypothesized included couples getting married when they’re older and dating longer before marriage. An improved economy during this period, and fewer military deployments during this time were also cited as possible reasons. He pointed out there are more than 500 clinical social workers and 360 marriage counselors doing the work in Duval in addition to more than 800 faith-based organizations, like Live the Life. It’s been implementing a church-focused program and an intensive weekend program in Jacksonville since 2016. “ But Our report definitely states we cannot state Live the Life is the reason for the divorce decline,” he said. “The fact is we do not have participant data.” why doesn't Live the life get a consensus for participation data? So I find that his bloviating is misleading. And as of 2022 jacksonville still has the highest divorce rate in Florida
@@TheCatholicGentlemancan you provide a link to the research so that I can check their methodology. I haven't seen much in the way of good research into any of this.
I don't know what God's plan is for me. But I am unable to find a man for me. I don't know why, it's just that, I try so hard and it never works out. Is it because I'm not attractive enough? I have some ideas as to why, but part of me just wants to die already. I hate not knowing. I hate being in this limbo. Please pray for me. Thanks.
Please stay encouraged and keep yourself as healthy and attractive as possible. Praying for you.
You won't find answers from strangers in RUclips comments. Ask your friends or family for advice. If they aren't available, consider seeing a counselor like a psychologist for a short time to discuss and hash out everything. This too shall pass.
@@seasonedcatholic906hello how are you?
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@catholicfemininity2126. You said, in another post, you don't want a man, raised by a single mother. That eliminates half of young men. A young man looks for wealth, beauty and personality in a young woman. And most husbands will expect you to work full time, while raising children. A few won't. Get on a dating website.
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To caleb scott, (Sorry I have a technical problem. I cannot reply directly to you.) CHRISTIAN marriage is a vow to God. I'm not talking about other marriages. And we know many modern marriages sure are not taken seriously as a vow to God.
22:40 Yes I see now that we have to fix. We need more young adult Catholics getting married; so we need more ministries to have singles meet. But also, we need to focus on educating Catholics trying to get married so that they STAY married. We also need to have ministries where married people can get together and that they're not isolated, I guess??
Most dioceses in Germany have marriage courses for those wishing to get married. So it's not just a conversation with the priest of the parish, but regular exchanges with others and with trained staff.
How about educating women and girls on how to carefully select men who are not abusers and how to look for red flags in a potential spouse. How about educating our clergy to spot these red flags too.
@lizlovsdagmara5525 The thing is, if you've been brought up with a good father at home, you spot these things instinctively. It's not that easy to just book learn those things.
Can he bring that program to Australia? We need help
Catholicism is dying because without the Traditional Latin Mass you might as well be a Presbyterian/Lutheran/Episcopalian.
Recently I was watching a series of short videos about a Methodist Parish disaffiliating from the UMC. Same issues of modernity, gender issues, espousing sexual perversion, lack of faith in Jesus and the Bible. The minister Rob Renfro was very reasonable and enumerated his reasons very well and the videos are worth watching if just for seeing why many churches are splitting and some going their own way.
Thanks for the videos. I’m a new subscriber and am enjoying the new videos.
I notice all these conversations seem to boil down to men needing to change. I wonder if we need to start talking about reciprocation. Remember the majority of divorces are initiated by women.
A lot of young men do not want to make an investment into some one who is not going to invest on them.
@@francikeen you
Yes, they blamed feminism twice and spent the majority of the video saying men need to change.
Wow common male vices. You say that as if many women do not also suffer from the same vices. There are many reasons for divorce besides the man just being trash. Is it possible a good portion of those woman divorce because they are the ones with the issues?
If the problem is only the men then why do lesbian have the highest divorce rate. Higher than straight couples and gay men?
Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking about this perspective.
The laws need to change in this country for divorces, women will initiate divorces 70% 80% of the time and their incentivized to divorce, plus a 90% of the cases the kids go to the mother, so in retrospect the kids the husband has with his wife aren't really his( other than paying child support ) and only 20% of men get to see their kids every other weekend, the rest don't get to see their kids at all or very limited scheduling. Men are walking away from Marriage.
50:26 Oh gosh I feel this. I'm 31 and I just wanna die already so I can be with Jesus... but knowing me, that probably means long Purgatory time. I'm not suicidal, but I just wish this life of meaningless and purposelessness would just end already. I wonder what God wants me to do.
God absolutely has something for you to do. And it’s in discovering that truth you’ll find that your life has a purpose and meaning.
Also, pray the rosary, this will help you find your way.
There's no such thing as purgatory. It's unbiblical.
Read the Bible, nothing else.
@@TheGringoSaladono, do not use another mediator to get to God, it is forbidden.
There shall be no mediator between man and God, only Christ Jesus.
Jesus Christ himself said "I am the truth the way and the life, NOBODY COMES TO THE FATHER, EXCEPT THROUGH ME"
HE'S THE ONLY MEDIATOR.
IT'S UNBIBLICAL AND the dogma and doctrine is unbiblical.
@@mimiraffo sola scriptura is not noted anywhere in the bible. And you’ll need to answer, who’s interpretation of the bible? Tradition came before the Bible
Be sure to check out this free study and talk to your parish priest about it - communio.org/study
have to give name, email etc to access it. No thanks
Well it's good to see they're taking a proactive approach, but that said divorce rates have been dropping for 2 decades now and the reason being is that people are not getting married their just living together. And people just cohabitating that separate are not counted in data.
And to be totally honest I wouldn't go through that again either.
Edit: And little research - Some reasons for the decline FSU researchers hypothesized included couples getting married when they’re older and dating longer before marriage. An improved economy during this period, and fewer military deployments during this time were also cited as possible reasons. He pointed out there are more than 500 clinical social workers and 360 marriage counselors doing the work in Duval in addition to more than 800 faith-based organizations, like Live the Life. It’s been implementing a church-focused program and an intensive weekend program in Jacksonville since 2016. “ But Our report definitely states we cannot state Live the Life is the reason for the divorce decline,” he said. “The fact is we do not have participant data.” why doesn't Live the life get a consensus for participation data? So I find that his bloviating is misleading. And as of 2022 jacksonville still has the highest divorce rate in florida.
I had a sacramental marriage but my bride told me she’d made a mistake at the reception party. She was in a relationship with a man at work.
Although devastating at the time in retrospect it meant that I can take consolation that her actions nullified the marriage . Unfortunately with my second wife for the reasons above I am in a non sacramental marriage.
Yeah, you got a raw deal there. I can understand your reluctance, but if you're a believer in Catholic theology, a sacramental marriage is a necessity.
Brother, please seek an Annulment.
So, did it nullify the marriage or did it not? 🤔 because of it did then you should be free to enter a sacramental marriage, and if it didn't, then why would your wrote it did?
You're not married at all until you get the first marriage annulled by the Church, and then marry your current woman. Until then: no sex outside marriage.
In a society where empirical evidence becomes the standard measurement of truth, any emotion-based faith, any miracle-based faith, any aesthetic-based faith, any tradition-based faith, any ethnocultural identity-based faith or any mythology-based faith won't sell very well 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Just found your channel, awesome.
Georgetown University is very modernist.
Pray for our clergy. Make the five first Saturdays 🙏
We are living in the end times…
...like many people from the time of Jesus, until now. Neither they nor we know the day or the hour. But we know how our days can be fuller and deeper.
@@zeljkabozic5781 Agreed ever since Christ's Ascension we have been in the end times. That we think the current circumstances are an immediate precursor to Christ's return seems gigantic hubris and a lack of gratitude, as things could always be so much worse than they are now. And Indeed, it seems Sacred Scriptures confirm the Return of Christ will be after far worse circumstances than we now are in.
Yes, the main framework for those circumstances is in place in a way more firm than ever before it had been. But given overall people still have the awareness to realize how bad things have gotten it; seems the situation where the vast majority of hearts have grown cold (one of the main signal requirements for the second coming) has not occured as yet. And from a certain point of view the exact timing is responsive to how badly humanity as a whole acts; whether it be according to gospel standards or not.
If humanity turns away from falling further into the current trend of isolating and othering people the trend may plateau and people can turn further toward building a better relationship, not only between individuals but global society as a whole. One value every parent can instill in their children is having compassion for others and their disparate views while still holding true to the right moral standard Christ exemplified. We need for people to shed the attitude of "my way or the highway" and move forward with "Let's find a way to work together".
It will take real effort and sacrifice on everyone's part to make that happen. Keep using the sword of the Rosary and other prayers as even when our best arguments cannot change other's Hearts God still is able to reach them when our best efforts fail to produce fruit.
That's what my Jehovah's Witnesses friends tell me. They're happy about it.
@@suzannederringer1607 And my mother has been teaching me all my life that we are Catholics!?! Now I finally know the truth!! 😂😉🥳😘 ...what will my parish choir say about that tomorrow?... 😂😉🎶
It seems like we've been living in "The End Times" for the last century.
Dying in the Western World in any case . . .
'Cause the High Priest of the church has turned away from God and went to embrace the pagan god, just like as when Christ came on this earth the Highest priests where against Him. So at end time period same kind and chastisement and persevution will be felt, cause its the deceptor will take advantage of the situation, only those faithful will received the Lord at His arrival. History repeats itself, God prophecies are True, if we adhere to God, we can Love Him but if fear man then no to God.
The Catholic church will never die. It's life is guaranteed by Christ Himself. Different levels of membership ... and the quality of the members can vary ... Original church members gathered in a personal home; privacy, close relationships, security. These days One priest may have over 1-2000 registered members [500 families]. Try to get close to that many people and you will wind up in a hospital. ... Let God decide your companions,. Stop disaster pulling the future ... The Lord is in charge of everything and has been since our universe was created. God is good ALL the time. ALL the time God is good. We live and work with Him ... or we die the death. 2X as well as having a miserable existence until it's time to go to hell for eternity. I like the heaven option AND a positive attitude towards God's management of things. Use the 'Surrender Prayer Novena' to keep oriented. Wife and I use it every day. We're glad we do.
The amount of religions that have said exactly this. 'Our religion can't die, because our god wouldn't let it die'. I'm sure Scandinavians thought this about Odin, and Greeks thought this about Zeus.
OK, on the surface of what's been said so far that is a logical conclusion. What makes Christ different is that he is a real person. He said he was God 'I Am', and then proceeded to prove it with tons and tons of real miracles during his 3 years of public teaching; [over 41 specifically identified and witnessed + times where he simply cured everyone in the crowd who came to Him.] Then, there is His returning to life under His own power as God ... and the miracles in the church He founded [Now referred to as Catholicism ..] Just keep coming. Lourdes, Fatima, Guadalupe, Eucharistic miracles, Church of Pilar, saints with His stigmata like St. Padre Pio. Zeus never was real. Odin never was real. Christ is real and rules with solid evidence proving it ... but people still have the problem of not wanting anyone higher than themselves ... the god in the mirror. Tragic, but if truth can become the quest for a good mind ... He will eventually come to the fore. Then it's a matter of choosing to become what HE wants one to be ... instead of what our mortal enemies want us to be. [self and the devil]. @@CalebScott1991
@@michaelpcooksey5096 No, he didn't prove it. We have a book that claims he performed miracles, that's it. What's your evidence that he walked on water? Just give the best evidence you have, and try your best not to avoid the question. Might make you realise something.
Como puedo verlo y escuchar en español soy de MÉXICO, gracias 🙏
Return to tradition, holy Latin Rite parishes are thriving with young families and lots of children. Our strange pope wants them out of the way. There lies a huge problem.
That is the solution. Latin Mass parishes. The lukewarm Novus Ordo will ultimately fizzle out whereas the church will move forward with Latin catholicism in the West
Television shapes our culture.
That's right! A nd television shapes our culture in a very bad way.
Actually, Christian Orthodoxy is surging and growing. ☦☦☦
This is why the Pope us afraid of the Latin Mass
Not according to the actual statistics. It is crashing like every other denomination. You are using anecdotal evidence and wishful thinking.
Yeah, they have an Orthodox Church in our town and there's like 35 people go regularly then one day they say we grew by 50% yeah they had 16 more people at church one Sunday. Just Leaps and Bounds. They're just getting people that shedding off for the Novus order Masses , these are the same people that would've went to church anyway, they're really not gaining more people into the Catholicism. It's just musical chairs on the Titanic.
I love this model!! Really brilliant.
I hope this guest was not in DC on 1-6-21.
The Lord’s apostles repeatedly warned that in the last days a great falling away, a rebellion or an apostasy would take place. (IIThessalonians 2:3) ✔️
43:38--This single statement distills the tone of every single Catholic men’s talk or men’s video into one line:
“The men are there…for what they want, unfortunately.” (paraphrased for clarity)
Not to take it as literally as the nightclub situation, but…the tone I get from every piece of media from Catholics directed at men has that same scolding tone. “Men MUST, men HAVE TO, men SHOULD…” Nag nag nag. Always nagging. Nagging Catholics. Catholic RUclips already makes practicing the faith sound like an exhausting Sisyphean task, and they never fail to rag on the men for ever wanting to do something outside the overscheduled flight plan. God forbid men do something *fun* for once, for just themselves, once the daily obligations and chores are done.
The pattern I’ve seen over the years is Catholic media attempts to turn men into docile, obedient, beaten dogs by nagging and berating their wishes and desires into the dust, and it builds women and their expectations up into a pillar Yurtle the turtle would be afraid to sit atop. This seems to be done primarily through lecturing both sexes, which tends to be boring, and at the worst repellent for any man who has some sense of free will. (This is why I usually avoid this content, today is an extraordinary exception.) Both the method of transmission and the content strike me as contrary to your aim, which in a broad sense I agree with, that Catholicism and Western Civilization (i.e. the European, Anglo-Saxon, and Scandinavian peoples survive and thrive) is the optimal outcome for this mortal world. In most specific cases, however, Catholic media is in my opinion nearly a universal loss, if your interest is engaging men.
Briefly consider that the secular world is not a safe place for men either. You correctly recognize the secular impulse of consumerism is a threat; consider how the secular (and religious!) world considers a woman’s emotions objective truth, how an accusation of r@p3 against a man is automatically considered valid now and forever, and even if untrue completely ruins a man’s life. Consider the ruthless destruction of male-exclusive spaces by every force in society from the 20th century onward. Consider how men are told by both the secular and religious worlds to give everything they have, and expect nothing in return. There really is no safe space for men any more, besides a quiet campground gathering temporarily out of reach and earshot of politicians, activists, women, and priests.
Do I have any solutions? Yes, I do. Try HAVING FUN for fun’s sake. DO something INTERESTING. Men are human DOINGS, try DOING something instead of posting the billionth RUclips lecture. My off-the-cuff idea for parish activities? Alternate between something FUN (hiking, a Halo LAN party, visiting a rifle range, visiting a museum) and learning the basics on something practical and attractive to men (how to smoke a brisket, how to solder, how to clean a firearm, how to dance swing or waltz).
Men and their interests and desires already get treated as bad dogs nearly universally. For the sake of the West, I beg you to try something different from the nag and lecture approach. Try listening to men. That is all.
*edited because I somehow missed the 8 digit at the beginning.
Amen! So very true. Thanks for saying this.
@lukassisu9919. You are hallucinating! Twice, the speaker blamed today's marriage problems on feminism/women. Then he blamed wives for filing the legal paperwork. But you whine! The speakers did not blame men. They exonerated men. You are THE problem.
@@jamesmonahan9408 Gladly.
@@francikeen I can see the redwood tree sticking out of your eye from here. Trust me, I have the splinter in mine handled, check on yours.
I also see you in the comments below, let's copy-paste this one real quick:
>> @captainmartin1219 The speakers twice blamed feminism/women for today's marriage problems. What video did you watch? The majority of divorce paperwork is filed by wives because husbands provoke the divorces with their common male vices, like yours: egotism, selfishness, greed, drunkenness, drug abuse, domestic abuse, gambling, pornography, adultery, and criminality.
@@francikeenI really think he has a good point
You can't make people get married or stay married.
You can certainly influence people to do the right thing and stay faithful to their marriage.
In addition, marriage, properly called, is Holy Matrimony. It is primarily a religious vow to God, and is secondarily romantic. This proper understanding of marriage is rarely understood in the Modern Mind.
These problems they bring up have to be solved, and we have to talk about it. It's easy to retreat into talking about comfortable things like theology.
How is marriage 'primarily a religious vow to God' when it was around before Christianity?
It may appear to be dying, however, it will become stronger than ever, but we're going through a tough boot camp right now, the whole world but especially the United States.
I love my Islamic friends, my Catholic family, and atheist friends. The one common thread is their internal working principles.
No one alive will meet Jesus. In this world there is only one thing that is perfect and remains perfect for all time: Algorithms.
Once a Algorithm is created it will work forever and never decay. Its the only man made thing that does this.
So what is it that Jesus, Mohammed, Buddha and others have given us? They gave us Principles. Their lives are the reflection of those
Principles. I have one goal in life. I want to look into God's eyes and not be afraid because when he peers into my soul he will only see
the principles he is.
What principles did the desert prophet from Arabia give people? Is marrying a 6 year old an example of a principle to follow?
When Christianity strays from the pure spiritual teaching of Master Jesus and gets dragged down to politics, school board involvement, you lose the essence of what being a Christian is
A big problem is the Pure teachings that Jesus shared with his thousands of disciples is somewhat buried in the gospel.
A good example is when Jesus said throw the moneylenders out of the temple he was saying the human body is the temple of the living God and the moneylenders are the 5 deadly passions. Lust, anger, ego, envy, jealousy.
@dale2156 there is such a potential for spiritual growth from both ends of the christian equation. The poor lost soul buried in pain and suffering, heavy karma, seemingly in a hopeless situation. And an enlightened pastor or priest who understands the true nature of who Jesus was, what his mission and teachings were. There is potential benefit to both.
"Store your Treasure in Heaven, where rust and moths don't currupt and thieves
Can't break in and steal ". (sorry this is from memory) I guess I am trying to say that the churches I have attended the pastors are building their treasure here on Earth, they are not grounded in the spiritual foundation of Jesus' teachings, and the message gets diluted and doesn't resonate. There are many thousands of good people doing selfless service and really helping lost souls. But there alot building financial institutions, and the pure spiritual basis of Master Jesus is lost. I wish you the best, may your journey lead you to Eternal Truth.
Where are you getting this theory from? I've never heard of such a thing
@@sgabig the physical universe is a completely masterfull creation by the ultimate physicist, mathametician
The Lord
What's the 1st thing in the Bible? Everything that was created, was entirely created by the Lord
That means every tiny cosmic sub atomic particle to the expanding physical universe: quasars, galaxies, black holes
Everything
Why when it comes to the evolution of the Soul, do we throw all that away and come up with nonsense and superstition?
Do you remember in high school science class up in the front of the room the Electromagnetic Spectrum?
From very low energy radio waves, building in power and energy up to gamma, incredibly short frequency? And it just stops?
It continues higher and higher but it's not the material universe, it's the inner regions of powerful sound and light, layers of heavens each more radiant and powerful,
Jesus said, " in my Father's house are many mansions!". Of course he spoke in Aramaic, many years later written in ancient Greek, copied over and over and eventually put into Latin
So of course you have to pull the truth out. Fact is Master Jesus was a very powerful Spiritual Master whose teachings were 100 percent in line with the essence of Gods Creation, and at the heart of it, the Holy Ghost, which is an Actual thing, a door and a path, a high energy highway onwards and upwards. It's the path your Soul entered into the fetus in the womb, and when you get older and start to withdraw from the world a ringing, humming sound I'm your head that you will ignore and complain about tinitis!
If you sit quiet, you will hear the actual voice of the Lord inside of you, and it will never leave, you will never be alone
Now you will argue and stick to your preconceptions, which is ok. You will experience this guaranteed if you live a full life.
Any religion that is not 100 percent in line with the reality of the Creation, is off the true path. Jesus had thousands of disciples he taught his spiritual science to, how else did anything survive 200 years of persecution and murder and every attempt to stamp it out? The truth you seek is out there, Seek and Ye Shall Find.
I wish you the best.
The Bible forbids Religious teachers and anyone who violates this is committing Blasphemy. We can discuss the Bible as equals, but nobody should be held as a higher authority. The Bible is our authority.
We Must be reading different bibles
"The Bible forbids Religious teachers" ?!?!? Are we sure we are talking about the Bible? 😉🤓
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Hebrews 4:14 -
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Matthew 23:8-12 -
8 “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 9 And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Hebrews 2:17 -
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 8:1 -
Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews 9:25 -
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
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Hebrews 4:14 -
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Matthew 23:8-12 -
8 “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. 9 And don’t address anyone here on earth as ‘Father,’ for only God in heaven is your Father. 10 And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Hebrews 2:17 -
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 8:1 -
Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews 9:25 -
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
What is this you’re teaching?