The more I think about it, the more I think nerfing claws will hurt chaos teams severely. The whole balance of the meta revolves around the idea that dwarves are tougher but chaos does more dmg. As it's proposed now, Mighty Blow completely overshadows claws in most situations. I think a better solution would be to nerf mighty blow instead: Claws: +1 to Av rolls Mighty Blow: +1 to injury rolls. There, now bow skills are useful in all situations without ever being overbearing. The combo is still deadly, but not as deadly as it is now. Both skills are also shorter to read and easier to understand. In essence, you nerf MB instead of claws which affects all teams equally instead of just chaos teams in particular.
That's a great way to look at it, but if we take leagues in the older edition - the heavy teams tended to get more money than they could ever spend. This change just makes it a little less bad for the light teams (they'll be able to afford to replace their decent players faster)!
Random thought, but in a team like Humans shouldn't specialists like the Halflings cost more than in a Halfling team? You aren't forced to take them in any way but they bring a very unique but potentially powerful trick to your list.
Flings also got access to some star players they didn’t have before, most notably Mighty Zug. With Deeproot being 20k cheaper, you can potentially get both in league play or a more open tournament format, which is terrifying.
I feel like Throwers are a great place to chuck a random skill onto - any bad Passing skills that you'd want to avoid? Possibly just for the first advance to see how they're beginning, and then optimise from there.
Wish I had seen this before I had ordered a nurgle team this morning lol. *sigh* oh well, might lose most of my games but at least they'll look cool doing it.
Haha, Nurgle teams look so good!! Personally, I’m hoping that the cost reductions make them way better than we think. But failing that... use them as chaos 😅 “Favoured of Nurgle”!
On goblins: Bombardier also got mighty blow on all explosions and being able to guarantee HMP by saving for a secondary skill makes him better (maybe actually playable now). Throw teammate can now knock over multiple players in a single throw (getting very lucky on scatters 😅) and you can throw prone goblins. Fanatic slightly buffed in that he can’t fail to pickup the ball (auto scatter now) and he ignores foul appearance, sneaky git got double buffed and is prob a solid normal skill to take, projectile vomit is technically a buff but is mostly worthless (if you want to go pro on trolls it’s a little better), New inducement options for bribery and corruption teams, even though pogo seems kind of lackluster its maybe the best leaping skill now and is great for jumping over prone players. Overall I think they’re better and I’m very excited to play them, only thing I’m disappointed in is the increased costs changing how I build the team but I think almost everyone is gonna have to deal with that. I’m hoping more tournaments go to 1100 or 1150.
Random thought, but would it be too strong if Throwers could use their passing stat to handoff/short pass to each others? It would help teams like Tomb Kings to have a passing game and make the Anointed Thrower worth bringing in more than one (maybe).
1:19:40 Why all those price hikes for Necromantic? As I recall they were already tier 2, sure the higher end. Yet now without Wights that can interact with the ball, there are effectively only 4 players on the team for ball handling, that's 2 less than Undead. And two of those want to do your Blitzing. Didn't they nerf Claws? So why exactly did werewolves need a price increase?
1:38:10 I don't get why you really need that Orc Thrower, unless early in a league. They are slower and have less armor. Just give a Blitzer sure hands and he is the perfect runner. BoB's moving 5 is rather huge and the Troll being able to vomit, I rather believe Orcs improved as a whole.
Making units unable to throw is simply unfun, make them 6+! No reason other than to feel like they are doing something different with this edition. New passing stat was enough, right? Am I crazy? Why can a zombie not make wild heaves with the ball?
I'm a complete noob. My Second season box turns up tomorrow. I've grabbed the Orc team while my friend has the Nobility. Gonna watch this video and choose my second team!
Woooh! Welcome to the party Gavin :D Black Orcs are awesome fun, *Loads* of strength, but they still have all the nonsense of dodgey goblins!! Maybe something Soft but Agile - Skaven? ;) Let us now what you go with!!
Ya'll have totally underestimated the change to break tackle for lizardmen. At lower tier it is a better team with the chameleons, but the team is going to be difficult to be totally different at high TV. More skink heavy and less mobile with the sauruses.
Hey Tom, True - getting BT as the 2nd or 3rd skill on a Saurus has always really made them power up! I have no doubt that the wily lizard coaches will find a way around it by then!
New subscriber after watching this, im a big secret league fan and now i have 4 secret league teams on table top.... fingers crossed that fummbl update the secret league teams to 2020 edition!
Hey Jay 😁 thanks for watching (and subscribing!), we are *Big* secret league fans here too!! Ahhh well the FUMBBL crew already showed some work adding the PA stat to the system 🤞 so let’s hope they get to all the teams!
@@BoneheadPodcast secret league feels mpre fun then standard teams in my opinion. I wish tournaments would allow them, i took nurgle to the UKTC last year and everyone i spoke to said the same about secret league :)
Maybe I’ve been playing Nurgle wrong the entire time but in the previous edition I used my Bloaters and Pestigors to do most of my actions and the Rotters would just do clean up actions. Support pieces, etc. i almost never used them to pick up the ball and move the ball. I think the biggest nerf for Nurgle is the change to Clawpomb.
I'm betting we'll see some more developement with future spike issues. Maybe something for the death roller like drop secret weapon and give it a rule that it is automatically KOd at the end of a drive and has to roll to wake up. "Outta Gas"
TBH you can take the death roller at higher TV and choose the skill pile driver and get blocks into free fouls before you get sent off anyway with the +2 dirty player??
Ahh DragonMagi, it's tough! But Bloodtithe is going to be running Nurgle in our next web series, so here's hoping we can find out where their power lies!!
Break tackle is now a very weird skill, it’s way worse on strength 4, ag 2 for sure and ag 1 big guys, but it’s better on strength 3s and 2s. Strength 3 Blitzers can now dodge on a 2+ with it and I maybe like it as a stunty player doubles?
So a Wardancer dodging into a cage with Break Tackle is the same roll as Leaping into a cage, but dodging has a built-in reroll. That's actually a pretty compelling secondary skill now. If you're willing to spend extra SPP, you can fish for an AG boost and pick up Break Tackle if you don't get it.
I’m wayyy late with this video but for nurgle i think the nerf on passing kinda help them for a really annoying control aspect the disturbing presence and the risk of wildly inaccurate really make passing against nurgle an non go
@@BoneheadPodcast the lack of Slann is depressing tho, do u think NAF could house-rule them into the game eventually? After figuring out the new edition
28:00 I'm so happy about this that they've not been overly nerfed and are actually still quite good. I'm painting a full Elfheim Eagles right team now same as the box art but it's really difficult with the yellow and the purple and all the detail on them. Thanks for the update. btw anyone ever played any Elfheim Star Players which one are worth playing ? I mangaged to get hold of all of them (Forge World Elfheim Eagles and the old metal Bloodbowl Elfheim Star Players). Pity about Nurgle's Rotters as that's my next team I'm building.
The Swift Twins are amazing but at 340k they’re super pricey! Roxanna can be taken now - and she’s a machine!! Yeah it’s a shame about Nurgle - but with the cost reductions they may be better on the pitch than on paper!!
Eldril is great....Hypno gaze is great to crack a cage when he is on defence and he is a great catcher on offence. He’s not very survivable though...but if he stays on the pitch he’s a game winner!
@@zhaoyun6859 thanks for that I have Eldril Sidewinder also and would you believe it I have a metal Jordell Freshbreeze and metal Prince Moranion also and a plastic Gloriel SummerBloom. So decisions decisions after I paint my 16-18 or so main team.
Dave Dogge wow you are sorted for choices...great collection...in terms of elf star players I only have a Prince Moranion with a terrible paint job completed by my younger self!
I'm really enjoying this. But I do wish the new rules were taken into account when going up and down. I personally think jumping prone players will play a good part. Imagine a skaven runner, hiding behind rat ogre against dwarfs and they spread a little too wide. One knockdown and leap over the runner will have 6 movement left while be the other side of the dwarfs so they just run forward, 2GFI (rush) and they cannot be tackled that turn unless someone left a dwarf back. I think there be a learning curve to set up and playing but I do think the new rules will impact teams differently, especially as jumping prone players is an AG roll
Thanks Nathan! Ohh we really did try to take as much of the new rules into consideration as we could! 😁 I have to say though... I hadn’t considered how much fast being able to jump over prone players makes them now! 😮🤔
@@BoneheadPodcast don't get me wrong .... Thoroughly enjoying the video (50 ish minutes in at this point ) .... Just I've seen a lot saying dwarves untouched and in my opinion , the prone jumping has really damaged low MA teams . Or at least made it a slightly higher skill floor to pilot..... When do you stream btw ? This is my first time seeing your work
I think anyone with thrower in their name should be passing on a 2+ or they should be reworked into something else. Passing is so risky that unless the thrower is really packing the arm cannon it's just not worth it.
21:50 How are Dark Elves not loosers in this edition? Their offensive strength used to be that they don't have any dedicated passer/receiver. Sure they still are wanting to make the running game yet now your two turn score has become a lot more difficult because you can't just run towards the LoS and give it to any player you were able to free up and still make a 2+ Quick Pass or 3+ Short pass. Now your staring down a 4+ Quick Pass, 5+ Short Pass. I get it that having a 2+ 2+ Quick Pass is too good to get a CP and 1 SPP yet IMHO the elves are the big loosers in general for this edition. Maybe if you try the random skill carousel and skim off TV is the best way to develop Elves, as they still can hand off a TD to any elf. I just don't get it why passing had to be nerfed, as it was already one of the most dangerous play options to begin with and nobody build around that anyways, at least competitive players didn't.
I wonder how much of a risk there is that the game just becomes an entirely running meta. The big advantage of elf teams was that even if you're down players (not exactly unheard of) but you manage to get the ball away from the opposition anyone could be the hero that still wins the game due to AG4. If they lose that I worry that only the best bashing teams will be used.
Everyone saying animosity doesnt change much. Then why add it. Because it does change them, makes them worse. If it affects hand offs thats a massive nerf. And another tedious thing to keep track of
Hey OriginalYellow! It does indeed make them worse - and I think you've hit the nail on the head there... it's something extra to keep track of! Luckily Orcs are a pretty strong team, so should be able to play through it!
@@BoneheadPodcast I do wonder why you guys came to the conclusion that you want to have 2 Throwers? I would say, why pick up the ball with a Thrower when I now have to pass an additional test to give it to the guy I actually want to have carrying the ball? I could just have the Blitzer pick up the ball and run with it right away, with the Thrower picking up the ball you gain a free re-roll on the 3+ pick up, but you add having to roll a 2+ Animosity and a 3+ hand-off catch to get it to the Blitzer that you want carrying the ball... Unless you, for some inexplicable reason, want the slower Orc with less armor and no Block skill to carry the ball. Animosity made the Orc Thrower unnecessary, might as well safe 10k and get the lineman with AV10+ instead. In an edition that was to make Thrower positionals more worth taking it did the exact opposite in the case of Orcs* imho. *I also fear that since the Passing skills got nerfed, the running game became even stronger and thus Throwers across the board became worse. I hope I am wrong, but looking at it, I feel GW made a fairly big game-design blunder...
I fail to see how the Lizzies got better with updated rules. The fact that you can't start with 6 Saurus(Sauri ?) AND 3 rerolls is a big deal considering you have no Block to start with and your Skinks are average Agility-wise.It's not like with Dark Elves where you have 4 Blitzers,Ag 2+ across the board and easy access to Dodge. The changes to Break Tackle(which were fair I think) are probably felt by Lizzies more so than any other.Gone are the days when your Ag 1 Saurus was dodging on a 2+. They are still probably one of the strongest teams but I think they are clearly weaker than before,even though they are much more on par with the others in terms of passing.
I think Wrestle & Guard is a [retty great combo - if you're wrestling on the opponent's team, you get to stand up and put your assists wherever you like.
@@BoneheadPodcast prior to the reprint of the 3rd Ed. team I had been hoping for a resculping, But that might be because I delved into the history of the Mesopotamian culture and their lengthy beards and massively tall hats. Although I think the AoS Chorfs might have lost their hats...
I think their negativity toward Nurgle is overblown. Their most vital player is cheaper, and their fodder linemen ARE worse, but the price cut makes a notable difference on their starting roster. A 3 Bloater/3 Pestigor start is attainable in league, and they have a lot more options for tournaments now.
@@TheKeksmuzh I took them last season and am not sure I fancy repeating that experience until they develop some ball handling skill, or maybe I'm sour that I placed 60th in a sixty participants league. My first game this season will be with my speedy Orcs on Tuesday so I'll let you know how that works out with all four Goblins in the team.
Concerning the Imperial Nobles. Lacking 2 Blitzers and the overcisted blitzers lacking Dauntless just kills the team. Just let old Bretonnia back and dump this pile if crap. Really my only gripe with the edition. Oh that and the animosity in the old Orc team. Completely uncalled for!
We’ve got to get a play test in for the Orc team, see just how much is affects them!! And yeah, it does seems a shame that they didn’t just release the Bret team as it was!! 🤷♂️
GW has lost it, first they replace Bretonnia (working team) with Imperial Nobility thats just worse. Losing two blitzers for an ogre is a terrible tradeoff. Bretonnia was pretty decent up to 1500 TV. Then we have the OWA team was mixed before (with same skills and no animosity or loner) and still only did decent and lost there flair around 1500 TV as most teams without agi4 or str4. So why do they keep adding pointless teams? For me OWA needed solid players, because they cannot blitz-choke with a single human blitzer... for me fun idea but they kinda took the fun out of it. Oh and also i don't like the changes to the human team with the addition of halflings, i guess it's a way to just sell more models.
you do not need permission from GW to use your regular teams lol :D on top there are plenty brilliant fanmade bloodbowl ruleset/s out there. Those will always be better than anything GW could put out.
Chaos Renegades are much worse than before. The thrower is a terrible and overpriced player, and the lack of Strength skills on your lineman greatly reduces their ability to keep up against bash teams.
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Intro - 0:00
Amazons - 2:20
Bretonnia - 3:44
Black Orcs - 4:10
Chaos Chosen - 8:13
Chaos Dwarves - 10:42
Chaos Renegades - 11:54
Dark Elves - 17:54
Dwarves - 23:29
Elf Union - 27:50
Goblins - 34:08
Halflings - 42:33
Humans - 48:09
Imperial Nobility - 55:12
Khemri - 1:05:05
Lizardmen - 1:05:55
Necromantic - 1:13:07
Norse - 1:21:17
Nurgle - 1:22:16
Ogres - 1:29:08
Orcs - 1:33:03
Old World Alliance - 1:38:59
Skaven - 1:44:16
Slann - 1:49:30
Snottlings - 1:51:54
Undead - 1:54:56
Underworld Denizens - 1:57:44
Vampires - 2:02:35
Wood Elves - 2:04:22
Final thoughts - 2:07:55
Lucas... 🏆🏆🏆 thank you!!
@@BoneheadPodcast thank YOU, great episode!!
Missed Khorne, but it lasts like 4 seconds so...
Doing Nuffles work
My hero
Great analysis guys! I think we are headed into a new era for blood bowl and it just might be another golden era with any luck.
Thanks Zhao Yun!! Haha, let’s hope so! It’s definitely a new era 😁
Contemplating if it’s worth taking 2 throwers now in Skaven
This is one of he best hobby videos I've watched. Nice job
The more I think about it, the more I think nerfing claws will hurt chaos teams severely. The whole balance of the meta revolves around the idea that dwarves are tougher but chaos does more dmg. As it's proposed now, Mighty Blow completely overshadows claws in most situations. I think a better solution would be to nerf mighty blow instead:
Claws: +1 to Av rolls
Mighty Blow: +1 to injury rolls.
There, now bow skills are useful in all situations without ever being overbearing. The combo is still deadly, but not as deadly as it is now. Both skills are also shorter to read and easier to understand. In essence, you nerf MB instead of claws which affects all teams equally instead of just chaos teams in particular.
That’s very rational 😁 I actually really like that idea, I think they missed a trick! Could even have made Claws (1/2/3) then as well!
Doesn't the TD count adding to winnings thing buff fast teams and nerf slow teams? Feels like that'd hurt dwarves for example
That's a great way to look at it, but if we take leagues in the older edition - the heavy teams tended to get more money than they could ever spend. This change just makes it a little less bad for the light teams (they'll be able to afford to replace their decent players faster)!
@@BoneheadPodcast Well said!
Random thought, but in a team like Humans shouldn't specialists like the Halflings cost more than in a Halfling team? You aren't forced to take them in any way but they bring a very unique but potentially powerful trick to your list.
So, is there a place to see these new rosters???
Hey Daniel - they were all over Reddit and the BB Facebook groups!
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Flings also got access to some star players they didn’t have before, most notably Mighty Zug. With Deeproot being 20k cheaper, you can potentially get both in league play or a more open tournament format, which is terrifying.
Great point!! The star player shake up is really worth looking into 🤔 I think there are some hidden gems there!
Deeproot Strongbranch was 300k to hire in 2016, did they change the cost?
@@jhtomguo yes he's 280k now
@@TheKeksmuzh ahh small bonus but not bad!
Yes they did! He’s dropped to 280!!
is there enythign against using older figures ?
I feel like Throwers are a great place to chuck a random skill onto - any bad Passing skills that you'd want to avoid? Possibly just for the first advance to see how they're beginning, and then optimise from there.
Great shout!! We actually talk through all the Passing skills here ruclips.net/video/YkXVhM4aKGQ/видео.html for exactly that reason 😁👍
how about a team tier list?
Oooh I like it! We'll chuck it into #71! 😀
1:28:43 So Nurgle have the potential to be so disgusting that other players refuse to vomit on them.
Wish I had seen this before I had ordered a nurgle team this morning lol. *sigh* oh well, might lose most of my games but at least they'll look cool doing it.
Haha, Nurgle teams look so good!! Personally, I’m hoping that the cost reductions make them way better than we think. But failing that... use them as chaos 😅 “Favoured of Nurgle”!
On goblins: Bombardier also got mighty blow on all explosions and being able to guarantee HMP by saving for a secondary skill makes him better (maybe actually playable now). Throw teammate can now knock over multiple players in a single throw (getting very lucky on scatters 😅) and you can throw prone goblins. Fanatic slightly buffed in that he can’t fail to pickup the ball (auto scatter now) and he ignores foul appearance, sneaky git got double buffed and is prob a solid normal skill to take, projectile vomit is technically a buff but is mostly worthless (if you want to go pro on trolls it’s a little better), New inducement options for bribery and corruption teams, even though pogo seems kind of lackluster its maybe the best leaping skill now and is great for jumping over prone players. Overall I think they’re better and I’m very excited to play them, only thing I’m disappointed in is the increased costs changing how I build the team but I think almost everyone is gonna have to deal with that. I’m hoping more tournaments go to 1100 or 1150.
Jared - super breakdown for the Gobbo team! They’re going to be extra fun now!! 😍
Random thought, but would it be too strong if Throwers could use their passing stat to handoff/short pass to each others? It would help teams like Tomb Kings to have a passing game and make the Anointed Thrower worth bringing in more than one (maybe).
1:19:40
Why all those price hikes for Necromantic?
As I recall they were already tier 2, sure the higher end.
Yet now without Wights that can interact with the ball, there are effectively only 4 players on the team for ball handling, that's 2 less than Undead.
And two of those want to do your Blitzing.
Didn't they nerf Claws? So why exactly did werewolves need a price increase?
The New Necro team is something we're hoping will play out a lot better on the pitch than in theory!
1:38:10 I don't get why you really need that Orc Thrower, unless early in a league. They are slower and have less armor.
Just give a Blitzer sure hands and he is the perfect runner.
BoB's moving 5 is rather huge and the Troll being able to vomit, I rather believe Orcs improved as a whole.
Making units unable to throw is simply unfun, make them 6+! No reason other than to feel like they are doing something different with this edition. New passing stat was enough, right? Am I crazy? Why can a zombie not make wild heaves with the ball?
I know!! I was so gutted by the PA- implementation, I'm with you - unless they litereally have No Hands, a 6+ PA should be the min!
I'm a complete noob. My Second season box turns up tomorrow. I've grabbed the Orc team while my friend has the Nobility.
Gonna watch this video and choose my second team!
Woooh! Welcome to the party Gavin :D
Black Orcs are awesome fun, *Loads* of strength, but they still have all the nonsense of dodgey goblins!!
Maybe something Soft but Agile - Skaven? ;)
Let us now what you go with!!
Ya'll have totally underestimated the change to break tackle for lizardmen. At lower tier it is a better team with the chameleons, but the team is going to be difficult to be totally different at high TV. More skink heavy and less mobile with the sauruses.
Hey Tom, True - getting BT as the 2nd or 3rd skill on a Saurus has always really made them power up! I have no doubt that the wily lizard coaches will find a way around it by then!
New subscriber after watching this, im a big secret league fan and now i have 4 secret league teams on table top.... fingers crossed that fummbl update the secret league teams to 2020 edition!
Hey Jay 😁 thanks for watching (and subscribing!), we are *Big* secret league fans here too!! Ahhh well the FUMBBL crew already showed some work adding the PA stat to the system 🤞 so let’s hope they get to all the teams!
@@BoneheadPodcast secret league feels mpre fun then standard teams in my opinion. I wish tournaments would allow them, i took nurgle to the UKTC last year and everyone i spoke to said the same about secret league :)
Maybe I’ve been playing Nurgle wrong the entire time but in the previous edition I used my Bloaters and Pestigors to do most of my actions and the Rotters would just do clean up actions. Support pieces, etc. i almost never used them to pick up the ball and move the ball. I think the biggest nerf for Nurgle is the change to Clawpomb.
I'm betting we'll see some more developement with future spike issues. Maybe something for the death roller like drop secret weapon and give it a rule that it is automatically KOd at the end of a drive and has to roll to wake up. "Outta Gas"
TBH you can take the death roller at higher TV and choose the skill pile driver and get blocks into free fouls before you get sent off anyway with the +2 dirty player??
Yes Nicholas!! That’s brilliant! Seriously High End 😂 but that’s going to be a great DR!!
The rotter change devastated me. I struggle to bring myself to play nurgle now.
Ahh DragonMagi, it's tough! But Bloodtithe is going to be running Nurgle in our next web series, so here's hoping we can find out where their power lies!!
Is it bad to say that my 2 main teams goblins and nurgle?
Goblins got so much more fun now!! And I think there’s a good chance Nurgle’s cost reductions will help balance them out! 🤞
Break tackle is now a very weird skill, it’s way worse on strength 4, ag 2 for sure and ag 1 big guys, but it’s better on strength 3s and 2s. Strength 3 Blitzers can now dodge on a 2+ with it and I maybe like it as a stunty player doubles?
That’s amazing... that’s Two heads for players without mutations 😮 I’m not sure that’s what they were planning... but that’s cool!
So a Wardancer dodging into a cage with Break Tackle is the same roll as Leaping into a cage, but dodging has a built-in reroll. That's actually a pretty compelling secondary skill now. If you're willing to spend extra SPP, you can fish for an AG boost and pick up Break Tackle if you don't get it.
Oh wow I hadn’t even thought about that
I’m wayyy late with this video but for nurgle i think the nerf on passing kinda help them for a really annoying control aspect the disturbing presence and the risk of wildly inaccurate really make passing against nurgle an non go
All teams appear in star players cards except Brets, Khorne and Slann, so they're all going to be in the game :)
Yeah, we’re pretty darn sure that PDF will land! 🤞😁
@@BoneheadPodcast the lack of Slann is depressing tho, do u think NAF could house-rule them into the game eventually? After figuring out the new edition
Lucas Penadés I have absolutely no doubt that the community will be all over that! In fact I’ve already seen a few rosters come out already 😁
@@BoneheadPodcast that's awesome to hear!!
28:00 I'm so happy about this that they've not been overly nerfed and are actually still quite good. I'm painting a full Elfheim Eagles right team now same as the box art but it's really difficult with the yellow and the purple and all the detail on them. Thanks for the update. btw anyone ever played any Elfheim Star Players which one are worth playing ? I mangaged to get hold of all of them (Forge World Elfheim Eagles and the old metal Bloodbowl Elfheim Star Players). Pity about Nurgle's Rotters as that's my next team I'm building.
The Swift Twins are amazing but at 340k they’re super pricey! Roxanna can be taken now - and she’s a machine!! Yeah it’s a shame about Nurgle - but with the cost reductions they may be better on the pitch than on paper!!
@@BoneheadPodcast thanks
Eldril is great....Hypno gaze is great to crack a cage when he is on defence and he is a great catcher on offence. He’s not very survivable though...but if he stays on the pitch he’s a game winner!
@@zhaoyun6859 thanks for that I have Eldril Sidewinder also and would you believe it I have a metal Jordell Freshbreeze and metal Prince Moranion also and a plastic Gloriel SummerBloom. So decisions decisions after I paint my 16-18 or so main team.
Dave Dogge wow you are sorted for choices...great collection...in terms of elf star players I only have a Prince Moranion with a terrible paint job completed by my younger self!
Sucks that the Orc thrower didn't get a passing buff with the new PA stat like other throwers. Animosity sucks.
3+ is now a pretty good throwing stat! But yeah, some boost like that or simply MA6 would’ve been brilliant!
@@BoneheadPodcast I think throwers should not have animosity or only animosity to linos
I'm really enjoying this. But I do wish the new rules were taken into account when going up and down. I personally think jumping prone players will play a good part. Imagine a skaven runner, hiding behind rat ogre against dwarfs and they spread a little too wide. One knockdown and leap over the runner will have 6 movement left while be the other side of the dwarfs so they just run forward, 2GFI (rush) and they cannot be tackled that turn unless someone left a dwarf back. I think there be a learning curve to set up and playing but I do think the new rules will impact teams differently, especially as jumping prone players is an AG roll
Thanks Nathan! Ohh we really did try to take as much of the new rules into consideration as we could! 😁 I have to say though... I hadn’t considered how much fast being able to jump over prone players makes them now! 😮🤔
@@BoneheadPodcast don't get me wrong .... Thoroughly enjoying the video (50 ish minutes in at this point ) .... Just I've seen a lot saying dwarves untouched and in my opinion , the prone jumping has really damaged low MA teams . Or at least made it a slightly higher skill floor to pilot..... When do you stream btw ? This is my first time seeing your work
Haha thanks! I’m so excited to see elements of the meta unfold before our eyes 😍 normally Sundays and Tuesday from 7pm-10pm UK!
I think anyone with thrower in their name should be passing on a 2+ or they should be reworked into something else. Passing is so risky that unless the thrower is really packing the arm cannon it's just not worth it.
Right, i like the rest of the changes but the passing seems really out of place, i dont see how stunty players can sudenly throw the ball that well?
Stunty got upgraded really!! But the opponents do get +1 to intercept
21:50 How are Dark Elves not loosers in this edition?
Their offensive strength used to be that they don't have any dedicated passer/receiver. Sure they still are wanting to make the running game yet now your two turn score has become a lot more difficult because you can't just run towards the LoS and give it to any player you were able to free up and still make a 2+ Quick Pass or 3+ Short pass. Now your staring down a 4+ Quick Pass, 5+ Short Pass.
I get it that having a 2+ 2+ Quick Pass is too good to get a CP and 1 SPP yet IMHO the elves are the big loosers in general for this edition. Maybe if you try the random skill carousel and skim off TV is the best way to develop Elves, as they still can hand off a TD to any elf.
I just don't get it why passing had to be nerfed, as it was already one of the most dangerous play options to begin with and nobody build around that anyways, at least competitive players didn't.
I wonder how much of a risk there is that the game just becomes an entirely running meta.
The big advantage of elf teams was that even if you're down players (not exactly unheard of) but you manage to get the ball away from the opposition anyone could be the hero that still wins the game due to AG4. If they lose that I worry that only the best bashing teams will be used.
Everyone saying animosity doesnt change much.
Then why add it.
Because it does change them, makes them worse.
If it affects hand offs thats a massive nerf. And another tedious thing to keep track of
Hey OriginalYellow!
It does indeed make them worse - and I think you've hit the nail on the head there... it's something extra to keep track of!
Luckily Orcs are a pretty strong team, so should be able to play through it!
@@BoneheadPodcast I do wonder why you guys came to the conclusion that you want to have 2 Throwers? I would say, why pick up the ball with a Thrower when I now have to pass an additional test to give it to the guy I actually want to have carrying the ball? I could just have the Blitzer pick up the ball and run with it right away, with the Thrower picking up the ball you gain a free re-roll on the 3+ pick up, but you add having to roll a 2+ Animosity and a 3+ hand-off catch to get it to the Blitzer that you want carrying the ball... Unless you, for some inexplicable reason, want the slower Orc with less armor and no Block skill to carry the ball.
Animosity made the Orc Thrower unnecessary, might as well safe 10k and get the lineman with AV10+ instead. In an edition that was to make Thrower positionals more worth taking it did the exact opposite in the case of Orcs* imho.
*I also fear that since the Passing skills got nerfed, the running game became even stronger and thus Throwers across the board became worse. I hope I am wrong, but looking at it, I feel GW made a fairly big game-design blunder...
Snotlings just sound rediculous... can't wait to try them :D
Haha, they have the most fun looking Tournament builds I have every seen xD
@@BoneheadPodcast I'm just building mine now, hopefully get to a couple of tournaments next year... 🤞
Like I've said before. It's not complex. It's more simplified. Basic tomolaundry football. Run the ball and hit everything in the way.
Good stuff fellas.
I fail to see how the Lizzies got better with updated rules.
The fact that you can't start with 6 Saurus(Sauri ?) AND 3 rerolls is a big deal considering you have no Block to start with and your Skinks are average Agility-wise.It's not like with Dark Elves where you have 4 Blitzers,Ag 2+ across the board and easy access to Dodge.
The changes to Break Tackle(which were fair I think) are probably felt by Lizzies more so than any other.Gone are the days when your Ag 1 Saurus was dodging on a 2+.
They are still probably one of the strongest teams but I think they are clearly weaker than before,even though they are much more on par with the others in terms of passing.
I'm waiting years for a squig team, give us SQUIGS! 😂
Motion seconded!!! 🥳
There's a company called Greebo Games that says they'll make you a unique team if you ask them to. If that helps
I think Wrestle & Guard is a [retty great combo - if you're wrestling on the opponent's team, you get to stand up and put your assists wherever you like.
Yeah! It can be really good! But having those guys go down in your turn can make planning your blocks really tricky!
Yep, you have to choose the order carefully :)
I want to see Chorfs back on the pitch in the new edition 🤘🏼 and fudge Elves, they've had it too easy 😂😂😂
Oh yeah! When they get their new team I bet the minis will be awesome 😍
@@BoneheadPodcast prior to the reprint of the 3rd Ed. team I had been hoping for a resculping, But that might be because I delved into the history of the Mesopotamian culture and their lengthy beards and massively tall hats. Although I think the AoS Chorfs might have lost their hats...
Ohh I think we can be safe to assume GW are sticking more to “Blood Bowl” and the Old World rather than AoS with their miniature design!! 😁😁
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@@BoneheadPodcast shame they cannot take inspiration from Greebo Games 😉
Rip my Nurgle team, time to become Khemri (if they make it in a pdf) or Ogres!
Hey - there’s always Chaos! Buuuut with the cost decrease I think they’ll be just fine 😁🤞
Snotlings! Snotlings! Snotlings!
Poor Nurgle 😟😢🙈
I think their negativity toward Nurgle is overblown. Their most vital player is cheaper, and their fodder linemen ARE worse, but the price cut makes a notable difference on their starting roster. A 3 Bloater/3 Pestigor start is attainable in league, and they have a lot more options for tournaments now.
@@TheKeksmuzh I took them last season and am not sure I fancy repeating that experience until they develop some ball handling skill, or maybe I'm sour that I placed 60th in a sixty participants league. My first game this season will be with my speedy Orcs on Tuesday so I'll let you know how that works out with all four Goblins in the team.
The glorified Skink comment just cracked me up
Concerning the Imperial Nobles. Lacking 2 Blitzers and the overcisted blitzers lacking Dauntless just kills the team.
Just let old Bretonnia back and dump this pile if crap.
Really my only gripe with the edition. Oh that and the animosity in the old Orc team. Completely uncalled for!
We’ve got to get a play test in for the Orc team, see just how much is affects them!!
And yeah, it does seems a shame that they didn’t just release the Bret team as it was!! 🤷♂️
@@BoneheadPodcast 1 in 6 games lost going for the go ahead hand off I assume.
GW has lost it, first they replace Bretonnia (working team) with Imperial Nobility thats just worse. Losing two blitzers for an ogre is a terrible tradeoff. Bretonnia was pretty decent up to 1500 TV. Then we have the OWA team was mixed before (with same skills and no animosity or loner) and still only did decent and lost there flair around 1500 TV as most teams without agi4 or str4. So why do they keep adding pointless teams? For me OWA needed solid players, because they cannot blitz-choke with a single human blitzer... for me fun idea but they kinda took the fun out of it.
Oh and also i don't like the changes to the human team with the addition of halflings, i guess it's a way to just sell more models.
you do not need permission from GW to use your regular teams lol :D on top there are plenty brilliant fanmade bloodbowl ruleset/s out there. Those will always be better than anything GW could put out.
Chaos Renegades are much worse than before. The thrower is a terrible and overpriced player, and the lack of Strength skills on your lineman greatly reduces their ability to keep up against bash teams.
Yeah, Pact are going to be really interesting in Season 2! Still a lot of potential though!!
RAT-OGRE!!!