Now that you mentioned it it makes more sense because someone asked why Odysseus didn’t simply take 6 sirens and tie them up and use them instead. But because Odysseus is also a king and a very smart king I think he had already knew or had an idea who all was in on opening the bag especially when you picture a group of people being around when the bag was opened so. I think he already had a hunch and I also think he stopped Eurolycus from confessing was because he was his close friend and I feel like as King and captain he gave an order they defied that order and i would assume Odysseus might have had to excute them as a king would because he has no room for betrayers and mutineers but because he was still honoring Polites he chose to turn a blind eye and forgive as well as not wanting to lose his other friend. But after discovering Scylla lair he accepted the fact that these men did disobey a direct order from there king and might do it again so he made the choice to sacrifice them as a secret execution for disobedience and killing majority of his fleet. He was just sad Eurolycus confessed cause I think deep down he was hoping he didn’t but now that he did, he had to get rid of him. And what’s sad he was right cause in mutiny Eurolycus didn’t listen to him about the cows and they all paid the price. Eurolycus in both book and this kept challenging Odysseus authority and if I was a captain/King that’s not a good sign cause it leads to mutiny or disloyalty. In the movie Henry the V King Henry executed a close friend from stealing from a church. Idk I think I’m reading too much into 😂
There's no such thing as reading too much into it here! I'm here for it! lol! I absolutely agree with the fact that Polites had just died is playing a role in his lack of action towards Eurylochus. But definitely after the Underworld Saga where Tiresias tells him that Penelope is beside a man who is no longer him... that flipped a switch in him! And while it must pain Odysseus since he is his brother, he has no more sympathy for Eurylochus' insubordination. Also I appreciate you brining up the similarities between EPIC and the Odyssey because I have not read it! ... yet?
I very much recommend reading it, it's incredible. Tho illustrations can help and are part of what brings it to life, at least in the old poetry books I had, the lines and the potence of the story is what drives it. Also i completely agree, this is an awsome breakdown, don't hold back man!!
Personally I don't fully know the story of the odissey or well "epic" as everyone calls it, despite having read the original poems of the war of troy when I was in 6th grade, but I love the musical itself and every song is a banger. That being said, I do think Odisseus should be aware of Eurylochus' involvement on some level as the smart man he is and must have thought about this, intentionally letting him die or choosing to kill him. The songs themselves constantly remind us of how when he comes back home, he won't be the same person and have seen him self reflecting on how he needs to make ruthless acts like with the boy and the horse to make it home alive as said by the prophet, as said by himself when confronting his idea and or view of himself as a monster, so it could be very well possible he will go down this path. Heck, the last poems of the original Epic, which I did read back in my school when I still lived in Italy, do present him coming back home mourned by his dog that finally sees him come back and dies of joy because of it and Odisseus killing all the princes aspiring to his throne after coming back home. As much as I hate to say this and as much as I hate the notion that a curious man like Odisseus, who I always looked up to even if it is just a myth, who is able to see the fault killing and hurting people in brutal ways for "glory" or destiny, inspite of there being other and arguably better ways of defeating your enemies, without resulting to their death, I also can't ignore the greek world he comes from and the very idea of fighting as a means of glory being something intrinsic in the values of those people and their institution... While Odisseus may not be doing it for the glory of his home, like Athena says his rational approach is something coming from his need to survive...which wisdom implies coming with the death of a threat so we can outlive it....if Odisseus was going to come back to Itaca, he would have killed Eurycles in order to achieve so...he set himself to, he would have come back and he wouldn't have been be the same man regardless. Not because he fought monsters, not because he lost his men or faced gods, witches and cyclops, but because he will kill another man...doing the same he did in his first song, reverting to the ways he knew when he killed the infant child back in Troy. If that's what is in his way to see Penelope again, he sadly must have chosen to take him down...even at the cost of his own morality and values for someone he loves (kinda reminds me of Callum here btw)
NOT THE DOG DYING OF JOY! lol! I'm learning so much. I never read the Odyssey But I'm understanding is that it's a story about how the ends justify the means and how that changes people. But it's all for love! I'm rooting for Odysseus to get back home to Penelope by any means necessary!
Agreed. Or well, taht's the story it's becoming. The original poems were tales spoke about the deeper truth of human curiosity at the face of the unknown and the actions of this mythological hero that used his intelligence to overcome them and some other values of the greeks. The creator instead said there was a theme in the original story that was never brought up again and he made that into the core of it and I LOVE IT! Also yeah I completely agree, I just want to see Odysseus coming back home and hug Penelope and spend the night telling her about his adventures after all tjose years (he letterally does that in the Odyssey and she even asks him about his bed to know if it really was him. Theres this part where she tends a trick question about the legs of the bed or what it was made of...I cant remember and he was infuriated because he carved it with his own hands and screamed in anger thinking she threw the old one away and she was surprised and so happy it was actually him after hearing this. I loved this part btw) Sorry im a huge fan and big nerd of this story so yeah tahts why I love speaking so much about it also yeah lol the dog dying of joy. No but seriously taht does happen...the dog, Argo I think was his name, waited for him every day on that same beach, people stopped taking care of him the older he grew...when Odisseus comes back he is very old and his heart couldn't keep up with that much effort...he died of excitement in joy seeing his old friend finally coming back...its so sad but also bittersweet😢
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Now that you mentioned it it makes more sense because someone asked why Odysseus didn’t simply take 6 sirens and tie them up and use them instead. But because Odysseus is also a king and a very smart king I think he had already knew or had an idea who all was in on opening the bag especially when you picture a group of people being around when the bag was opened so. I think he already had a hunch and I also think he stopped Eurolycus from confessing was because he was his close friend and I feel like as King and captain he gave an order they defied that order and i would assume Odysseus might have had to excute them as a king would because he has no room for betrayers and mutineers but because he was still honoring Polites he chose to turn a blind eye and forgive as well as not wanting to lose his other friend. But after discovering Scylla lair he accepted the fact that these men did disobey a direct order from there king and might do it again so he made the choice to sacrifice them as a secret execution for disobedience and killing majority of his fleet. He was just sad Eurolycus confessed cause I think deep down he was hoping he didn’t but now that he did, he had to get rid of him. And what’s sad he was right cause in mutiny Eurolycus didn’t listen to him about the cows and they all paid the price. Eurolycus in both book and this kept challenging Odysseus authority and if I was a captain/King that’s not a good sign cause it leads to mutiny or disloyalty. In the movie Henry the V King Henry executed a close friend from stealing from a church. Idk I think I’m reading too much into 😂
There's no such thing as reading too much into it here! I'm here for it! lol!
I absolutely agree with the fact that Polites had just died is playing a role in his lack of action towards Eurylochus.
But definitely after the Underworld Saga where Tiresias tells him that Penelope is beside a man who is no longer him... that flipped a switch in him! And while it must pain Odysseus since he is his brother, he has no more sympathy for Eurylochus' insubordination.
Also I appreciate you brining up the similarities between EPIC and the Odyssey because I have not read it! ... yet?
I very much recommend reading it, it's incredible. Tho illustrations can help and are part of what brings it to life, at least in the old poetry books I had, the lines and the potence of the story is what drives it.
Also i completely agree, this is an awsome breakdown, don't hold back man!!
Personally I don't fully know the story of the odissey or well "epic" as everyone calls it, despite having read the original poems of the war of troy when I was in 6th grade, but I love the musical itself and every song is a banger. That being said, I do think Odisseus should be aware of Eurylochus' involvement on some level as the smart man he is and must have thought about this, intentionally letting him die or choosing to kill him.
The songs themselves constantly remind us of how when he comes back home, he won't be the same person and have seen him self reflecting on how he needs to make ruthless acts like with the boy and the horse to make it home alive as said by the prophet, as said by himself when confronting his idea and or view of himself as a monster, so it could be very well possible he will go down this path.
Heck, the last poems of the original Epic, which I did read back in my school when I still lived in Italy, do present him coming back home mourned by his dog that finally sees him come back and dies of joy because of it and Odisseus killing all the princes aspiring to his throne after coming back home.
As much as I hate to say this and as much as I hate the notion that a curious man like Odisseus, who I always looked up to even if it is just a myth, who is able to see the fault killing and hurting people in brutal ways for "glory" or destiny, inspite of there being other and arguably better ways of defeating your enemies, without resulting to their death, I also can't ignore the greek world he comes from and the very idea of fighting as a means of glory being something intrinsic in the values of those people and their institution...
While Odisseus may not be doing it for the glory of his home, like Athena says his rational approach is something coming from his need to survive...which wisdom implies coming with the death of a threat so we can outlive it....if Odisseus was going to come back to Itaca, he would have killed Eurycles in order to achieve so...he set himself to, he would have come back and he wouldn't have been be the same man regardless.
Not because he fought monsters, not because he lost his men or faced gods, witches and cyclops, but because he will kill another man...doing the same he did in his first song, reverting to the ways he knew when he killed the infant child back in Troy.
If that's what is in his way to see Penelope again, he sadly must have chosen to take him down...even at the cost of his own morality and values for someone he loves (kinda reminds me of Callum here btw)
NOT THE DOG DYING OF JOY! lol! I'm learning so much. I never read the Odyssey
But I'm understanding is that it's a story about how the ends justify the means and how that changes people. But it's all for love!
I'm rooting for Odysseus to get back home to Penelope by any means necessary!
Agreed. Or well, taht's the story it's becoming. The original poems were tales spoke about the deeper truth of human curiosity at the face of the unknown and the actions of this mythological hero that used his intelligence to overcome them and some other values of the greeks. The creator instead said there was a theme in the original story that was never brought up again and he made that into the core of it and I LOVE IT!
Also yeah I completely agree, I just want to see Odysseus coming back home and hug Penelope and spend the night telling her about his adventures after all tjose years (he letterally does that in the Odyssey and she even asks him about his bed to know if it really was him. Theres this part where she tends a trick question about the legs of the bed or what it was made of...I cant remember and he was infuriated because he carved it with his own hands and screamed in anger thinking she threw the old one away and she was surprised and so happy it was actually him after hearing this. I loved this part btw)
Sorry im a huge fan and big nerd of this story so yeah tahts why I love speaking so much about it also yeah lol the dog dying of joy. No but seriously taht does happen...the dog, Argo I think was his name, waited for him every day on that same beach, people stopped taking care of him the older he grew...when Odisseus comes back he is very old and his heart couldn't keep up with that much effort...he died of excitement in joy seeing his old friend finally coming back...its so sad but also bittersweet😢