Rick Ross' Canadian Beatdown | Podcast with We Love Hip Hop Canada
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- This is a clip from a conversation with the founder of We Love Hip Hop Canada, Friday Ricky Dred. We had an interview scheduled to talk about the Canadian perspective on Drake v Kendrick Lamar. Then this morning we saw Rick Ross' team get beatdown by Hells Angels in Vancouver. So this sorta reaction video turns into an explosion of perspective.
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A notoriously racist organization uses a racist slur, but it’s Hip-Hop’s fault. Sure.
No it’s white supremacy fault for making it
Rick Ross did not get stomped out. He does not understand American culture, the 'N' word and the significance of Hell Angels saying the 'N' word. That is a racist far-right organization. The Hell Angels did not say the 'N' word becasue of rap. That makes Drake even more suspect.
It is shocking that this guy does not see it, maybe because he's Canadian. I didn't see it before but now I'm seeing signs of it There is a chance that Drake could get kicked out of the culture for things like this and that would literally be the end of him. Canada alone can't support his 400M 360 deal.
@freedomm Stop Cappin, Drake can drop a club banger and everyone will be jockn again.
@Omar-kt6in But he just DROPPED with Camela Cabarro or whatever...and it FLOPPED 😂😂
Yeah. Hell's Angels are kinda infamous for not having any black members. He can't stop people from liking him, but shouting them out is definitely suspect. Just like when he had that sambo face paint
Everything that Drake has done has just proved Kendrick’s point more and more.
Why is he defending racists saying the n-word?
Because he's a cornball goofy drizzleton meat Rida from Canada, them ninjas be all cornballs up there even when they ain't even trying 😂💯
Because he’s weak. Only weak black people do that. It’s most likely a rarity that he stands up for black people, and even then only stands up for whatever his nationality/ethnic group is.
Sambo
Because he is a weak black person. Weak black people don’t defend against racist behavior towards their own and are afraid to address it.
Self-hate.
Drake & OVO are the ones who escalated at each point. Dont blame, "rap beef"
When Like That came out, Baka or Chubbz threatened violence online.
Cash XO's security guard got shop up FIRST.
Drake mentioned Whitney FIRST in Push Ups then insulted her AGAIN in Family Matters. Dot warned him twice before MTG.
Rick Ross was physically attacked FIRST.
He dissed Rihanna 1st. He dissed Serena's husband 1st. He brought up Pusha's wife 1st. Drake is weird.
Drake & OVO love to attack people FIRST then "love to play victim" when people hit back.
Every single point you mentioned - VALID! Ionno who old dude - aka A Hatah - is, but, he can’t possibly be a fan of hip hop. This is why GATEKEEPING is a MUST! Ion even know why he’s wearing that shirt! Ugh!
And yet they're the one who start doing crime and supporting violence , that what colonizer do for centuries, they will attack u first and if u reply them back, yall the one who got paint as criminal not them, so be careful with this kind of people, they running the media social alots and play victim
u listen to shitty music brah
Ive seen several Drake stan accounts threatening lives on Twitter. Its insane
@@KaylaMarie_ you right!
Thought Crimez noticed that the OVO accounts with red in their profiles were more prone to making threats.
A lot towards Kendrick
I’m originally from Toronto. By this dude’s cornball energy, he’s part of the problem.
I'm in Vancouver. Unfortunately this is the norm for Black folks up here. Corny.
Kendrick had the pop out and it bright people together dancing, celebrating and there was no violence.
Drake and his supporters instigated violence using a White biker gang that is notoriously racist. Please don’t forget that part
You really believe Drake orchestrated the hells angels? Drake isn't white. He's half and if you ever encountered a truly racist person; it doesn't matter if you are half black, black or hispanic.
I'm sorry, but I have a problem listening to guests who are allowed in the culture telling us how to engage within our culture. Battle rap has always been a part of hip-hop culture. Pac & Biggie was on some other stuff that wasn't hip-hop. Stop blaming hip-hop for all the social ills in the black community when it was created to give us an outlet. Battle rap and beef are two different things. If you have a beef, squash it and stop letting it interfere with your money and legacy. It isn't worth it.
EXACTLY. If you’re a guest in my house and you don’t follow house rules, you’re getting kicked out of the house. Other cultures don’t tend to have this problem.
@@Fireandknives Facts ✊🏽
Exactly. Battling is an outlet as an alternative to violence. Emcee battles, bboy battles were all used to settle gang disputes in the Bronx. Funny how Drake keeps proving how oblivious he is.
Pure facts
@@illexpreshun Facts ✊🏽
I'm a Haitian descendant, born and bred in the streets of Montreal. Now, we all know Drake's got mad influence, reppin' the 6ix and all. But him showing support for a racist biker gang? That's hella soft, no cap. It's straight-up wack and a major sellout move. I love the fact that he made it look possible for a Canadian artist to get recognized and we have a lot to learn from this Drake ain't one of us. In Montreal, the Hells Angels be working with the cops, straight up. They be playing both sides, acting like they run the streets but really, they just puppets for the police and it's well known fact. Real gangsters in the Six are not down with those racist biker gangs neither. You have to have a slave mentality to go around like that. He ain't one of us neither
Never bring this lame on again Justin 🤦🏾♂️ 15:45
Other perspectives are valued here. This is not an echo chamber.
@@seanism2011 .... you can have another perspective and not be lame
@@seanism2011just because you have "Another Perspective" doesn't mean it's not a lame attempt at BS. You act like you've never been out in the world, maybe you're of a complexion or a socioeconomic status where you're ignorant to it possibly.
What bugs me about it is that it comes off as a problem that is embedded in American culture, and yet he contributes to it by throwing n words out there. I don’t have a problem with the perspective, but I don’t want to hear you say it like it’s been forced on you if you have that take on it.
@@jefferycoleman1257 You're only calling him lame cause hes not mindlessly agreeing with you like all the rest of the folks in these commands
They continue to show us they don't understand Black American culture. The Hells Angel comment went fully over his head and the host said it several times. 😂😂😂
This guy is definitely a colonizer as well.
All skin folk ain't kinfolk
Hells angles are connected to the aryan brotherhood. Thats a fact.
Surprise, a Drizzy Glazer
The biggest one 😭💯
This guest is (clearly) not like us…smh
Yes!
I am sick of hearing he was attacked because he played that record. That record is currently #4 in Canada on billboard. At the highest it as rated in the top 2. The public is playing that record all over Canada are they disrespecting Drake?
This guy is blaming hip hop for the use of certain words (N word in this case)? Very weak guest...
Canadiians really don't seem to understand the racial politics here. Even the black ones seem to view things from a white lense.
If Canada had such a rich Hip Hop culture Drake wouldn’t have to go to the states to emulate the culture there. Remember that. Taking part of the culture is not the same as being from it. What makes things worse is that Drake has disrespected people from the culture FIRST.
Canada does have a hip hop culture. It just isn't as commercial as it is in the US and very underground. And that's why Drake went to the American market for it. He wants the commercial visibility that being a mainstream American rapper has without respecting any of the culture that comes with it rather than doing the work to elevate it in his own city.
@@othelliusmaximus the point still remains that he partakes in the culture he is not from the culture.
The Canadian Hip Hop scene is a derivative of what happens in America; it’s not at the forefront of pioneering. Which is why there is a certain cultural cache Drake doesn’t have, Toronto Hip Hop doesn’t hold a candle to the US scene which is globally acknowledged
Sad part is that Drake is a musical legacy baby through his dad and his uncle who Played with Sly Stone. Coulda went the Lenny Kravitz route and been retired chilling. Dude is such a follower to throw that away
When does the boy become the man?
Im pretty sure the Hell's Angels were using the n-word before hip hop was created
"We learned it from y'all"
Run to America to imitate heritage. 😂😂😂
Exactly, cosplaying
THEY CAN’T IMITATE THIS VIOLENCE
American rappers can survive without Canada, but can Drake survive without LA or Atlanta, let alone the entire United States? Is there a Toronto culture to fall back on the way Kendrick did with the West Coast at the Pop Out?
No
You know the answer
Once that alt-right label sticks, he's done. Hells angels and drake ain't yet trending and it's oddly oddly suspicious 🤔
@mrcead I said this same thing. Why is noone talking about this.
This interview was a disaster. I'm waiting for Canadians to start dropping in saying this guy "doesn't represent us".
Trying to brag about having gangs just proves your not about that and talking about fist fights like that’s a crazy thing. Sitting there with a joint to try look cool. Feel for Justin having to see through this I can see how uncomfortable he is. Did the right thing letting this lame make a fool of himself.
Smoking is legal in a toronto, its pretty regular, and explaining that there are gangs in Canada doesn't mean its showing off..He's enlightening those that may not know.
I really thought he was gonna say something crazy when he was describing that fight. And when he didnt I realized maybe growing up in America has desensitized me to violence a bit.
It’s a good thing for him that the fight he observed outside the club seemed so crazy to him. And its not a good thing that we expected more violence lol
I'm glad he let it breathe, very tactful, let's us see different mindsets
@@Rio-uv1gsWhy should we care that there are gangs in Canada?
@@nightArbitrage You don't have to care..do what you like.
Justin don’t believe him look at his face😂
Do u think Kendrick would've been able to tell Drake " you Rappin like u tryin to free the Jews" ? Hell no! Because they gatekeep and Drake is one of them.
Our fault for slippin on the gate keeping. Its a good time to start . But from some of the comments I see y'all are ok wit ue of N word as long as the hard R isnt used. Disturbing!!!
Listen to Jay-Z story of OJ. He literally talked about the Jews and nothing happened.
He’s that protected his house got shot at. This guy is making it worse for drake literally every move that’s being made is proving Kendrick right. Lost all respect for Canada 😂. This guy is acting like the n word was okay and saying it’s hip hop is a joke.
Well Tupac said “if you don’t like this rhyme, then bring yo bad ass to California, we ain’t hard to find!
Tupac was an actor and convicted grapist.
Disappointed by this upload. Very bad outlook by the guest.
Those dudes were neither Drake nor hip hop fans. They were paid to beat up Ross. Hell's Angels are known racists. Jumping Ross wasn't out of love for Drake.
Drake has friends in Hell's Angels, a white supremacist gang? And he wonders why we say he's Not Like Us.
We get it - Canada isn’t sweet, but he’s delusional when he tries to allude to bigger gang culture - its not even close.Drake has no day ones from this world, and instead of leaning into strictly professional security as he become more famous like a square should…he leaned into getting extorted by street dudes who 100% see him as a sucker because of his weird moves and cosplaying and let it rock because the bag was worth standing next to it. J prince doesn’t love drake. The Hells Angels don’t love drake. When he makes this many enemies, runs his mouth about gang sets in LA, there’s only so much they can do - they’ll say no to shit and he still has to pay. All so he could talk about having ‘shooters’ - yeah he better keep touring so he can keep paying. He’s going to get lined up when it comes time to shrink the entourage.
Well said. It's all happening🏆
Can’t take this accent seriously.
Real talk, goodness this mf is the biggest drizzleton glazer even more then D.J AK 😂😏🤨🧐🤦🏼♂️🙅🏼♂️
I thought I was the only one. I didn't wanna be disrespectful. Thank you
I kept on feeling like he was going to say “crodie” lol
It's giving tether
@@kmarcol1 Yep, you would be correct a cantaloupe forehead Jamaican tether indeed them canadian ninjas are very weird up there😭🧐🤨💯
This is a bad take, sounds like Duke is on the OVHoe payroll. These brothers don't hear themselves.
This clown been running to everybody on RUclips with PDF Drizzle on his cheecks
Why are you talking about this gang stuff like what those people did to Ross was a good thing?? If Ross retaliates when any of those return to US.. what happens now??
The African Canadian is trying to tell an African American how we perceive this. Even Black Canadians don't listen to us! That guy doesn't get it! They not like us!
15:34 its so funny how he explains how Americans taught him how the n word can be offensive but still excuses white people using it.
If Americans introduced the word, then why are you pretending like you don’t understand it. You literally just explained that you do understand it 😅
He’s also lying about Fat Joe. People been complaining about him damn near my whole life lol
However, he does have a point in that hip hop has become so popular that the version of the n word that black people use may be the most prevalent form of the word. A few generations from now black people will be giving them a pass. I see young black people do it in social media already.
Millenials may be the last generation that was called the hard r too. My neighbors called me that. My Kindergarten teacher called me that. So younger generations may not feel the sting like older folks
This dude really getting mad over not like us getting played 😂 the whole country taking it personal. Canadians trying to sound hard is the funniest shit. Nobody cares about how scary you think your gangs are, that shit is all a game
As a Canadian, I don’t know who this dude is and would be happy to never hear him speak again.
Amen.
ya he's a poor representation of Canadian hip hop
Buddy is the epitome of they not like us.
I’m so glad Justin is back.
Canadian here to offer some perspective and education on Canadian gangs to Americans. Firstly, yes there is gang culture in Canada, but it is very unlike American gang culture. Broadly, most street level gangs in the country are indigenous or immigrant gangs that form out of poverty. There are also gangs formed from young middle class kids who idolize American and Chinese (triad) gang culture, but these gangs are less significant. The Hell's Angles control nearly all of Canada's organized crime and use these smaller gangs as "mules" to facilitate street level activities. The reason the Hell's Angels are so powerful is because they have strong connections in every major city, as well as have support from America.
As for the incident in Vancouver, it's hard to say why the Hell's Angles felt the need to personally attack Rick Ross. Vancouver has a large enough population to cultivate its own gang culture, which consists mostly of triads and immigrant gangs. The last I heard, the Hell's Angels influence was waning in that city due to the drug trade from China. They were likely operating for Drake, as they are also involved in the music industry.
Drake's popularity in Canada is also not very well understood by Americans. Speaking anecdotally, western Canada does not view Drake with the same amount of respect that he would get in Toronto or Montreal. There is a pretty major cultural divide between eastern and western Canada, and Drake at best is seen as just another pop star who happens to be from Toronto. Vancouver is a lot more connected culturally to the Pacific Northwest and California than it is to Toronto.
Damn, this was very insightful. Thanks for the in depth breakdown.
Not Like Us is the biggest song in Canada. Buddy feels like he is trying to nurture a relationship with OVO.
Can’t wait til Drake goes to Miami
Me too them Zoe's will be ready 🧐💯
Can't even do it. Idk if its the accent, the ignorance, or what...
10mins in, and I’m struggling
I came up as the only non-black person in my group of friends, and they gave me an N word pass but I had to thank them, but politely decline. That word doesn’t belong in my vocabulary. As much as I love them to the point that I refer to them as my brothers steal to this day I just got a job doing construction where I was traveling the country. I just thought it would be corny if someone heard me use that word what are you supposed to do? “Hey, I’ve got a note.” I always thought that would be corny. I love hip-hop. I love my friends, but I don’t need a word that could possibly offend someone who doesn’t know me a part of my vocabulary. You see people use the excuse “oh it was an accident that were just slipped out.” if that word wasn’t a part of the vocabulary, it wouldn’t slip out.
If you listen to rap... it's part of your experience. Do you skip the word while reciting lyrics
Thank you for walking him down on his country history of racism.
He is not like us either
Ngl I'm kind of taken aback by the comments. I thought this was a pretty insightful conversation. Yeah, obviously Ricky putting the blame for the spread of the n-word globally squarely on Hip-Hop's shoulders is certainly a take, but once he broke it down from his perspective, it made sense why he would say that. Neither Ricky or Justin were wrong, just different perspectives coming together to try to piece together the whole truth.
Dang, edited my comment bc of a typo and lost the heart I received 😭
Agree. I am South African and everything is n word n word that. Black Americans made it cool
Yes.👍 Let's blame the blacks for racist white people using that word.🙄
What's even funnier is the Hell's Angels are a Southern California gang
Bro this is wild! 😂 I didnt even know that. Lolol
Is this guy typical of Canada?
We hope not
They'll disown him in 3, 2, 1...
No he's not. Nobody in Toronto respects Friday. He's a clout chaser
NOOOOO he's not. He's corny as hell. Even his accent is cringy. Very embarrassing
He didn't even get hit how was it a beat down 😂😂
Exactly, dude is a bonifide goofy, drizzleton gotta be paying this big headed Jamaican weird talking tether dude fr😂🧐💯
Canadian Hip Hop looking really shaky right now.
So what I am hearing here is that black Americans are not safe in certain parts of Canada. It appears those gangs are mostly foreigners with hate for black Americans.
Also if that rapper is affiliated with LA gangs, what is his issue with the song Not Like Us? When he goes to LA, he will hear that song.
CORNBALL......
Dude set Canada back to the fur trapping days smh. Come get your guy
He would have played it regardless
I didn’t see a Rick Ross beat down
Because there wasn’t one. He got kinda hit in the face. His security guard was the one that got jumped
Also... You're taking on some deep topics in these new videos, it's bigger than hip hop
Justin been having some questionable guests lately
Very questionable.
👉🏾😤👈🏾 *I can't STAND this Canadian dudes way of speaking*
Nobody cares
💯
@@8bitworld225 Tupac cares, if don’t nobody else care ❤️
That dude is a TETHER.
Then y’all stay up there 👆🏾
Drake takes another L with this interview 16:32
I guess the beef has just spilled into the streets then
Just stop don't be like them, that why these people been called colonizer, they attack u first if u reply they will crying victim again just what happen to kendrick, now they want street reaction bc they know only black American will be paint as criminal
How safe is the Drizzler moving around the USA going forward?
I’m so very proud of all these comments!! Love the community around Justin and his content ❤️🖤💚
A punch is not a beat down. Plus whyt dudes saying the N word don’t help drakes image
29:27 that dude was so blinded by his bias that he didn't even consider the realistic angle
Thing is Ross been touring in Canada for like a decade. He should know.
The song is about Drake though, not Canada.
I get it, there are hoods worldwide and as Americans, we don't really recognize that. A lot of us tend to think we're the toughest and have it the roughest, but really the biggest thing we have on em is hust the amount of guns we have in this country.
But also, who was talking about doing something to Drake in the beef? This was supposed to be a friendly fade, Drake took it there.
TCM, the company man!! more like Top Commentator in my Mind
This conversation is news worthy.
The context that the speculation given @ around 12:58, highlights the fact at the core issues with what drake represents: if what defends and protects aubrey at home is his association with a white supremacist group like hells angels, what the fuck is he in support of? Fucking nazi sympathizers are not like us.
16:17 his angle on the n-word, despite mentioning the value of context, doesn't really seem to fully grasp said context, he (or anyone interested in learning more and somehow has the time) could definitely benefit from looking into the actual historical context of the word and it's use. I'd recommend checking out "Theory from the South: a decolonial approach to the psychology of global inequality" by Adams Glenn and Sara Estrada-Villalta and "The English-Only Debate" by Alejandro Portes. Different perspectives are valuable, especially when they can be used to explore what's being observed critically and with depth. Not a fan of this victim blaming shit, to be honest.
23:48 hmmm... Dude, this guest is starting to look like the person described in Complexion, the issues he's describing is that people aren't fucking critical in their intentions, the reason he started using more rhymes with the n-word is because he literally just said he found it easier to do, if there's a problem with his use of the n-word, it's because he's using it as fucking crutch because it provides him the easier option... jegus fuck....
32:03 This dude can only frame his issues in reference to black people despite the earlier discussion about canadian hells angels involvement with the rick ross incident and connections to aubrey, vibes are so fucking off with him... 33:09 ...
Even with my personal push backs on what the guest express, I do think Justin did a great job pushing back on his points and driving the conversation to points that explore the context of what this topic can show us about culture and and history, suppose not all guest can be like Professor Skye.
Everyone is jumping off a bridge now because of Hip Hop now.... EVERYONE! Don't cry about it now!!!!
William Leonard Roberts II cosplaying Rick Ross that's what happened. I live in Florida been to Mia plenty and they do not rock with Ricky. He should of learned from Pusha T when he tried to play his diss song and fans bugged out. Kenny camp need to tell Ross stop playing his song.
Well them Toronto hoods aint infamous to the rest of us cause Drake don't be talking about them.
Oooo I’m early to this one, what a blessing
Grown man calling someone else the boy lol Drake fans are funny
This guy is annoying. Sounds like a lot of reaching
Friday is an ovo glazer.
I hate this guys anxious 😊 also sounds like one of those tethers
Eyyyy shoot out to Jersey!! My folks from Newark! 👊🏾🫶🏽
That's what's up! I was born in Newark! We lived in Vailsburg.
Couldn't even watch this one.
So when Drake come here don’t forget what you said
(1) there are people around the world - in any nation - desperate to prove a point using violence. Not having access to the guns doesn't mean there aren't numerous other ways to be violent. Especially if they feel their nation or culture is being labeled as soft.
(2) if you look at the timing of stuff Drake was doing on his social media this weekend, there seems to be some interesting pre-brawl flexing from him after a period of relative silence.
(3) If Drake is a symbol of pride among the Canadian street gangs, I wonder if or how their loyalty changes should any of the stuff about partying with minors explored in @whatsthedirt's "616 in LA" breakdown gets fleshed out with actual video footage, statements from girls, etc. Is it unconditional loyalty? And is that offered to all Canadian artists? Only hip-hop? Only Drake? Only Canadian artists who avoid talking about the social issues that Canadians like K'Naan and k-os spent their whole careers exploring?
(4) if this is more a Hells Angels thing, why is Drake - a Black Jewish man - celebrating that connection if there's even a debate about whether or not they are a white supremacist org?
(5) why aren't any of the artists involved in this other than Kendrick promoting unity among their sections and actually rapping as the main way of competing, instead of violence?
19:40 Such a weird disconnect feom reality here.
You should of let the other dude talk more
Bro the Canadian accent is shocking. 🤣🤣
I’m sorry Justin…he’s Not Like Us! Had to tune out…Hell’s Angels is historically racist.
In Drakes attempt to defend himself in a rap beef where rappers were saying Drake isn’t part of hip hop culture he aligned himself with a white nationalist organization. Great work Drake, you really got them with that one.
Welp. This guest explains a hell of a lot about what's wrong with Drake by just yapping.
Horrible take from him from start to finish.
This guys point on the n-word would barely hold water back in 2008.its 2024, we're not having convos about "is it okay if --" anymore. Ignorance isnt an excuse anymore.
Thinking about it now, one of thw big moments about this topic was the kendrick concert where the white girl sang m.a.a.d city. Even at the time i thought that was kinda foul of him, but listening to this guy he needed to get that point out.
Choose your words bro, i expect more from you. “Ross putting people in jail”…cmon son
I'm sorry , but Drake is gonna have issues in Atlanta, Miami, LA behind this...People forget that Biggie and many others got shot just for Lyrical beef and paid with there life being in the wrong place...So now that they let Ross out the country..I'm Afraid that Drake isnt safe here anymore in the States...The US is that type of place..It wont come from Ross..Its gonna come from someone feeling some type of way about this incident..I'm sorry..its gonna happen. Drake may feel he's safe in Houston but those the brothers that will do some crazy stuff...I'm upset that this happened because it just hot 4real rea nowl...
Nobody but Florida going to ride for William 😂I'm sorry but us 🥷🏾 who were or are in the streets no you don't go to someone else hood taunting the ops unless you want the💨 I hate to compare the situation but it's what led to King Von death he thought southern🥷🏾 was soft and he got exactly what would've happened in Chiraq
Canadian guy thinks it’s a gang off. No why is Drake associating with Hell’s angels?
Dope work J H continued success!!!
Show us exactly where in the video RICK ROSS beatdown starts.Please ! Could you timestamp the mark? I beg you to mark the spot where "RICK ROSS" got beatdown...
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