If you love interviews like this would love a podcast review so I can do more debates...etc...Click this link: ratethispodcast.com/briangryn/itunes thanks!😀
I ate strict carnivore (Lion diet) for 3 years (beef, salt, and water) mainly because eating anything else made me very sick! Fortunately, the carnivore/Lion diet was able to heal my gut along with a lot of other chronic health issues, especially my depression and anxiety. However, my health still wasn’t ideal because I still had chronic migraines, zero energy, and poor digestion (especially for fat). I had been following Dr. Saladino from his carnivore days and I saw that he started eating fruit, so I decided to give the meat and fruit diet a try and I’ve been feeling SO much better since then! I finally have enough energy to do the things I want to do instead of being stuck in bed all day. I’m actually able to workout without getting fatigued after only a few minutes. And my migraines have gotten a lot better too! So overall, my quality of life has drastically improved once I started including fruit into my diet! I definitely think the carnivore diet served me well when basically everything else I ate made me sick, however, once my gut had healed and I was able to reintroduce different foods without reacting to them, I was finally able to address the few remaining nagging health issues that the carnivore diet wasn’t able to heal for me.
That's amazing! Do you think it's common to have to go strict to heal first to be able to tolerate the fruits/veggies etc? Or would it be fine to implement the carbs earlier? I too struggle with my health, and I'm worried about my kidneys getting damaged by too much protein intake. The verdict is so mixed on it causing kidney damage or not. Some seem to heal on carnivore and others seem to get kidney damage... And so many state too much fat can also cause a lot of issues. Too much conflicting info out there 😆 I'm looking at no-plant GAPS. Seems to be able to expedite the process. Then gradually increase everything else to see what my body tolerates or not.
What a great debate! Such intelligence from both debaters, thank you for this service to the public. Coming from a clinical background, I find the intellectual science interesting but the clinical outcomes are really what drives me to this carnivore WOE. We can talk about and speculate chemical reactions all day, but what happens to people when they take on the lifestyle is where the rubber meets the road. Well done gentlemen! 🙏🏻
Exactly. Hours of debate and talking and I can't ignore the real-life stories (and results) of people who have done it themselves--some for a very long time.
I follow Georgi’s bioenergetic style eating and I stay fit. It’s been way easier to gain muscle this way than low carb meat and butter based diets. I actually developed gyno doing low carb. I remember just laying in bed with my arms crossed my hands would fall asleep. Never had good energy to work out (still did). Sleep suffered, got cold easily. Kept at it for years and really screwed my metabolism
I do low carb mostly because sibo/sifo are a problem for me and it helps eliminate those symptoms. Also, I do notice I feel generally calmer. but I do worry about the shbg. I feel like my sex drive kinda tanks on low carb. I always notice it when I reintroduce carbs and remember what it's like to be horny lol.
Great piece. It would interesting if the gentleman in the room full of boxes, tried the carnivore diet himself and provide an update of how the diet worked on him.
@@d3mist0clesgee12 im not sure wjat his muscle condition is... but he did have a run in with the keto diet that may have broken his metabolism and OXPHOS so he may still be recovering from that.. consumption of PUFAs in the first 25 years of my life really destroyed my abikity to put on lean muscle mass.. and mold... i do carnivore and animal based and have great trouble aquiring lean muscle mass from all the damage that has been done... never judge someone by the look you dont know their past ..
I was thinking similarly, we should see the results of the so called better method. We are limited by genetics but we should be able to get to our best version.
@@gerard6629so you went through this podcast and then decided based on looks? Why didn't you just look at a picture of these two fellows instead? Seems much less time consuming. All I'm gonna say to you is that looks don't matter too much. Anthony could possibly be on TRT (low carb diets lead to low testosterone) and exercising a lot, Georgi is not really doing any of this. Good luck with carnivore, just don't let dogmatism about your diet prevent you from using your senses if things start going south
Yes, because Dr. Chaffee looks like he does, because of the carnivore die. Before he went carnivore, he looked like an overweight incel. A diet will change your whole physiognomy and body proportions withing a couple of years, everybody knows this. It has nothing to do with his genetic backgound and the life of his parents and grandparents in particular. No, it's the fad diet he is following for a few years! :D
If looks didn’t matter it would not be something people use as a decision maker. No one buys a bruised orange because it doesn’t look optimal. This is not a foreign concept. I am allowed to have an opinion, no?
@@gerard6629That's part of the problem, people choosing what they do based on the looks of someone. You are free to do what you want even if it might not be the actual best decision.👍
These are the debates the carnivore community need. Thank you both for your time and thank you Dr. Chaffee for bringing the facts in this fight for health and truth!! 💜💜💜
but facts that Dr.Chaffee are bringing is incorrect. he said those people on high meat were triving and that incorrect.they were surviving. autopsies done on these people show massive vasiculaire diseases and bone health.
The change of protein to glucose in the presence of a very low carb or zero carb carnivore diet is demand driven, not supply driven. I would think Giorgi would know this.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Well what is missing in all this is that if you have a MCAS or strong histamine intolerance the carnivore or even ascetic keto (with minimum plants and almost no carbs) makes one sicker and increases cortisol and stress and inflammation in the body. Pro-metabolic seems to tamper this.
There is more than a century of research that shows the keto diet effectively treats numerous diseases. And the histamine response typically comes from aged foods. Not all animal foods are aged. As for cortisol, Chaffee points out that it only rises when one first starts the keto diet but drops over time. ruclips.net/video/nTqqZrK2GwA/видео.html
Twenty years ago I would have thought the guy on the left would be the carnivore and the guy on the right would be the omnivore. Also, judging from the backgrounds, one is a slob and the other looks like a neat person. Based off of looks alone, I'd have to say Chaffee will win this debate.
@@seamusmcmahon1182 Looks do matter. Like, when you've got a guy questioning optimal health via meat-based diets while drinking a coke. It looks like he's being a hypocrite. Also inflammation, such as his is a product of not eating healthy. He can think he's educated but his looks say otherwise.
ROUGH Notes Part 2: 36:00 to 1:12:00ish (I don't feel like doing the rest lol) -Chaffee - yeah fructose really bad...addiction, kills parts of brain like meth -high blood sugar can be dangerous >> AGEs, high hbA1c ; hyperinsulinemia (drives many disease states) -ketosis default, normal metabolic state, not a "starvation" state/fasting state -carbs can also block leptin >> satiety, other circadian rhythm related hormonal signaling, GH action... -insulin will shut down LPL; glucose spikes/rebounds >> hangry-ness/overeating -fructose >> broken down into same byproducts as ethanol >> NAFLD, cirrhosis, peripheral IR/T2DM, cancer, alz. -Dinkov - lipid peroxidation required for glycation in humans, not sugar alone... -in T2D mostly obese >> higher cortisol, other issues underlying besides high carb alone -Aspirin completely fixed some people w/IR issues...(cp. Randle Cycle) -glucose gets bad "rap" even though it's involved.....not primary underlying factor but FFA/oxidation issues -insulin...cf. Ozempic stimulates insulin release and is causing *weight loss* -PUFAs are blocking ox-phos; oxidized cholesterol(LDL particles?) more causal of ASCVD... -fat in general blocks ox-phos of carbs...PDH rate-limiting step... -too much fat >> too 'reduced' state (NAD+/NADH ratio...)...problem with lactate production...assoc. w/disease states -another drug that blocks excess FA oxidation >> treats diabetes (over 30 countries use it...)...similar mechanisms of Aspirin, vit E, niacinamide... -stress hormones inhibit glucose oxidation... -bioenergetic way to lose weight: build lean mass, avoid PUFAs, keep metabolic rate high, keep stress low -Chaffee -agrees with a lot, esp. PUFAs etc. ... -agree with Randle cycle thing but says ok just eat FAT, not carbs -ozempic >> rebound though (Dinkov agrees with him) -cortisol...some studies show after 8 weeks on ketogenic, LOWER cortisol...; studies seem mixed but possible some populations were actually deficient and then show rise to normal levels; seems like low carb ameliorates symptoms of high cortisol -his carnivore patients have normal cortisol
So, if we ate mostly meat during the ice age, we didn't eat herbivore's, right? Because they would have had to eat stuff that wasn't growing! So, what did we eat? Lions, Tigers and Bears wouldn't have survived either without Herbivores. I think we ate a few skinny Rabbits and some Tubers we dug out from the snow and ice! There wasn't much to eat at all. I wonder how we even survived?
Another thing I want to say about the looks: I went hardcore keto and looked really good but felt like sh!t. Long story short i think considering georgi’s energy and aura is a real thing, he clearly feels good and feeling good is the main way a lot of people like me begin to believe in bioenergetic eating
My name is Alberto Leonardo Barkema. I' m MD, pediatrician for 36 years in Brazil. I see a lot of benefits in a keto diet. I ' ve also been interested in the carnivore diet, specially for some chronic diseases, despite having still some questions. My understanding was always that the human being is a omnivore and not a strict carnivore. Why would our saliva even contain amylase, an enzyme to begin to digest starches in our.... mouths? Our pancreas also produce the same enzymes to continue digestion in the bowels. I have questions about this human phisiology. Does lion's and wolf's also produce amylase??? Thanks.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
This carnivore Dr. is talking about indigenous people and how they do well on eating carnivore with no carbs basically. That is interesting information, but it has nothing to do with people living high stress modern life style. That's why most people crash sooner or later on no carb diets. Carnivore people crash from chronically low liver/muscle glycogen and chronically elevated cortisol and adrenalin. Vegan crash from low amino acids, deficiencies of many micronutrients, because most of them are not bioavailable from plants.. So people pls use your own brain and eat the good stuff that is from animals and plants as well and you don't end up like most carnivore/vegan sheeps..
You obviously aren't familiar with gluconeogenesis. I've been carnivore for years and have no trouble with what you mentioned. You do you but don't bash something you know nothing about.
@@davem4193 How many years have you been carnivore? I started strict keto in 2007, followed until 2016 when I switched to carnivore. I stopped carnivore in 2019 after being diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and hypothyroidism. I currently eat meat, fruit, dairy, honey, and sugar. No nuts or pufa's. I've gained 15 lbs of muscle since 2019 and I feel much better than I did when I was carnivore. It takes a long time for some people to hit that wall, but many do.
@@erickminor Strict keto since 2015 and carnivore since 2021. I already had hypothyroidism before starting both, hasn't made much of a difference either way but when I was keto I still ate fruit, dairy, nuts and vegetables. Since switching to carnivore I have cured a host of health issues that keto did not fix: chronic migraines, osteoarthritis, metabolic syndrome, sleep apnea, gum disease and high blood pressure just to name a few. I also easily lost an additional 25 lbs that I couldn't lose on keto. I do a lot of day hiking with mileage up to 25 miles and elevation gains up to 5500 ft. I have much more energy for hiking on carnivore, I can hike all day without stopping to rest or eat. I hike in a fasted state on top of that. I highly doubt I will crash but anything is possible. People like Kelly Hogan, Lisa Weideman and many more have been doing carnivore for 15+ years and say they have tons of energy. Dr. Chaffee has interviewed multiple people who have been doing carnivore for 40+ years and are in great health, one of them was an 82 year old woman who looked like she was in her 60's and still does physical labor on her cattle ranch every day. Owsley Stanley did carnivore from the 1960's until he was killed in a car accident around 2010 at age 76.
Carnivore for two years, losing weight and easily maintaining it, looking great. If I cheat the weight and visual fat around face and midsections rushes bacc literally in few days, jus personal two cents.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
He did seem pretty sharp too, but carnivore didn't work for me at all. Georgi and Jay Feldman's advice has been life changing. The amount of energy I have now is incredible, my sleep is better, nose breathing is easier, and my historically awful seasonal allergies were non existent this year. My snoring and wife reported mild sleep apnea has improved greatly. And I starting to lose weight now too. It's not necessarily quick but it's effective and I feel great.
@@ronaldfriedline9297 it is not necessary to reduce carbs. Especially simple sugars. Going low carb will force your body to produce carbs via gluconeogenesis. This is not a good thing, it's metabolically expensive and can lead to harmful byproducts. Burning muscle for fuel is a akin to burning wooden furniture for fire, when you have sufficient, cheap, firewood
Half of dinkov points seem to be based on the presumption that people on carnivore are eating their meat raw. His other half is a concern of over consumption of protein which is actually very hard to do. 300g's of protein in an active male over 200lbs may seem high to some but is certainty healthy. biggest concern is hydration and electrolyte levels. Proper salt and water intake keeps everything flowing fine and muscle recovery optimal.
No more than 30 grams of protein can be used for muscle protein synthesis during a meal. Though protein serves other functions as well, eating 300 grams of protein is extremely wasteful
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyMan Explain it clearly ? he is overweight, and relying on medication and supplementation everyday. Seems like you see something that's out of reality.
I would struggle to believe someone who won’t show at least 1/2 of his upper body. Obviously has something to hide. Dr Chaffee has no trouble at all showing everyone how healthy he looks.
@@jamiem3115 Georgi is obviously knowledgeable I just don’t quite agree with his approach. A drunk can tell you drinking is bad for you (not saying Georgi is comparable to a drunk).
Wish georgi was a bit healthier looking. Ive been on the ray peat sugar wave and have lost 100 lbs off as much juice/sugar i want. And rice+meat for dinner. Even eating ice cream for dinner (with no pufas. Hard to find good stuff) The most fit and healthy ive felt in my 30 years of life.
@cecilechau7932 zero cheat meals. Zero pufa. (Which i believe georgi still eats and uses vitamin E + aspirin to avoid side effects) I eat very bland and boring
What do you eat for breakfast and lunch? Do you eat eggs? Are they regular eggs or pastured eggs? Do you eat bacon? Do you eat pork or chicken or just beef?
@@seannolan3927post a Video. You’d be the first peater I’ve ever seen who’s lost significant weight and judging from your comment was out of shape basically all his life
this is fantastic man. two knowledgable and level headed guys who are clearly communicating their ideas, and a moderator who doesn't interrupt and asks the right questions. what every debate should strive for!
Georgi idea is wrong from the outset. His whole premise is that cortisol is dangerously elevated when carbs are omitted from the diet. This is totally incorrect. ONLY with elevated insulin will cortisol rise as blood glucose glycogen stores deplete. Facts he won't even acknowledge.
@@analyze.and.optimize She's probably been on the carnivore diet for a few weeks, so she knows way more than Georgi, who's been researching this stuff for the past 8+ years.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Its almost like people who are more prone to fat storage do better on carnivore and people like me who are naturally lean do better on pro metabolic. Just an observation. I did carnivore for 2 years and experienced some really bad stress and insomnia. Adding in fruit has fixed those issues.
So you’re still animal based? I am still doing pretty strict carnivore, and any time I add back fruits I spiral lol. I’m not overweight, but I’m definitely prone to store fat.
Agree. I'm lean and when I did low carb meat based, my electrolytes drained away. Urine started smelling like ammonia. Feel much better adding some carbs back.
This may be the case. I wonder if we could get some studies/polls/etc. I definitely see a duality in both the research and with stories I hear. I just started carnivore a couple of weeks ago and so far I feel great on it. But, I know people that have had to add in fruits, honey, berries, teas, and/or tubers to be healthy. I tend to carry a lot of fat, so if the theory is true, I should be able to continue this way without issues. I am going to start tracking the encounters I have with people to see if I find patterns.
Metabolic typing has been around for ages. Paul Chek was my introduction to it, years ago, when I started studying nutrition. I am also lean, have done long periods on both keto and carnivore, and find I do better on a mixed fat and carbs; others are better on higher carb or higher fat. You find your equilibrium. The main thing is to get your nutrients in and for that you base your diet around animal foods, period.
This style of debate was refreshing. I appreciate the way each individual remained respecful, open-minded, and considerate, and came together to put ideas on the table and hash it out looking for truth, rather than focusing on being "right." I've been on a red meat and water diet for a few weeks now. So far, so good. With all the lies, misinformation, and advice from entities who are vested in our sickness, it's impossible to know the truth without jumping into the water ourselves. People love to warn me of the dangers of my diet. But my joints have stopped killing me during and after my workouts, my mind, mood, and body seem balanced and level, and I'm leaning out.. I tend to trust the intent of a man's message more when his primary goal isn't to sell pills or a book.. Keep in mind, that food today is no longer what it used to be. We have to adapt. My sister, brother-in-law, my daughter, and others I know all have had to come off a vegan lifestyle diet due to deficiencies. I'm open minded at this point.
There are ways to know the truth without jumping into the water, but then if you know the truth, you already in the water… so you are in the water first or you know the truth first?
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Vegetarians who are concerned about the climate should be very worried that the amount of land dedicated to grow grains is a worst contributor to climate change than cows fart.
I was a happy carnivore until my body started failing, weak muscles, brain fog, difficulty swallowing. I thought I was dying then heard Georgi's failure on Keto that was resolved by taking orange juice . I did the same with very sweet tea and my body came back to life. Clearly I wasn't fat adapting and my tissues were starving to failure. Odder people may have trouble converting body fat to liquid fat and may lack enzymes at the the cellular level to use the fatty acids as fuel.. Thanks to Georgi, I'm eating lower fat protein and added fruit. I'm so sad that I felt poorly so long and degenerated. I do believe the carnivore diet is really species appropriate as long as your body can metabolize it. I had my gall bladder removed quite young so that may have been a factor.
Hi Mark. I was carnivore for about 2 years. I think I never felt great, never really came to the point of feeling strong like many report.. As I'm older, I presumed it was something else . I knew about the possibility of not converting fats efficiently as part of general knowledge but I never made the connection to my extreme situation. it wasn't until things were severe, general body failure, that I heard Georgi on You tube when he was specifically asked to tell his story. The result of drinking tea loaded with sugar was dramatic and almost immediate. Not sure how much damage I did to my body during the deterioration. There may have been other factors. I'm still getting muscle strength back but I never felt really weak or dizzy again. I listened to the Dr. Ray Peat interviews and incorporate simple sugars with the meat and collagen with muscle meat. As all are absorbed high up, I still have little fiber and never feel stuffed. Dr. Peat felt simple sugars are superfoods, contrary to mainstream ideas. I should probably be checking my blood sugar but frankly, I choose life and won't worry about it. As a nurse, having seen too much 'progressive and irreversible' illness that responds well to carnivore, I still think it's wonderful if you can do it's remedially. The body is flexible. I wrote this up because I did want some of the teachers of carnivore to acknowledge that there might be enyzymatic deficiencies which affect one's health on carnivore. Good luck with your explorations.
Mark, I'm thinking of an early paleo book where the author had studied nutritional anthropology. It was a reminder that nature is only interested in maintaining adult vigor until you procreate. That used to be quite young. After that you are seen a s competing with the children for food so may be killed off in some way. Essential processes may get down regulated. It's interesting to see these forums with a frenzy of strategies to cheat nature, biohacking etc. The subtle suggestion was to eat a lot less and tip toe by.@@markaguilera493
Extremely valuable information from both these men. How wonderful that they were given equal time to speak and the interviewer didn’t keep interrupting. I learned a lot.
@@d3mist0clesgee12 Georgi's information will get you out of a whole lotta trouble, should you find yourself there. Georgi mostly suggests nutrients, not deadly medications.
I think George is quite a clever guy and he made very good arguments very interesting and make sense. I personally eat carbs and feel better than carnivore. But I think the problems are the seed oils and and processed crapp. The truth is always somewhere in the middle never in the dogma and extreme.
I loved this interview!!! ❤ I have gone back and forth between carnivore and pro metabolic for YEARS and I have been confused on what to believe when I have listened to hundreds of hours of podcasts from both sides. I do get a severe stress response from low carb/carnivore, extreme insomnia and electrolyte disturbances (that I haven't been able to fix with electrolytes) so I always have to revert back to pro metabolic. That lowers my stresshormones and I can sleep more but then I also have more pain and inflammation instead...🤪 But my body just can't take anymore sleeplessness and racing heart so I have to prioritize sleep so I HAVE to eat some carbs at the moment. But I'm working my way towards lower carbs and hope that my very gradual approach will get me to a place where I can go fully carnivore again bcs I do think that it's better in the long run to fix my leaky gut, insulin resistance and inflammation. Can't seem to completely get rid of that on a pro metabolic approach.
Don't make it so difficult, just eat what makes you feel good. If you have major metabolic damage it will take a long time to get things back to the way they are supposed to be. Just nourish yourself and stop dwelling on it.
@@erikhancock98569 Yeah, if he follows your advice he will never get things back the way they are supposed to be. Cake makes me feel good, I suppose I should just not dwell on it, you live only once, am I right? 😂
I've read many reports of women having to eat fat (like a stick of butter) just before going to bed in order to resolve the sleep issues on carnivore. Look up some of the female carnivores like Nutrition with Judy or Carnivore Yogi. Thankfully I sleep 8 hours a night as a carnivore (almost 4 years now) without the butter.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Am no wiser about what to eat. I am sick playing russian roulette with my nutrition. I dont do puffa or coke or medications . My ancestors didnt eat junk food. They ate poultry and beef lard and veg. The granny baked sweet treets a few times a year. Perhaps thats the key go to as near your ancesterol diet as you can. Stay away from big supermarkets go to butcher and baker.
I think I will go with the guy who looks like he is from the movie 300😂Also talk about simple versus complicated, I will stick with carnivore all the way👍
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyMan, how did the high cortisol manifest for you? I'm nearing two years, but I feel calm, balanced, sleep well. But I may be missing something; I sure have plenty space for improvement.
I don’t usually comment but wanted to say this was a great interview. It’s uncommon to see two smart individuals on different sides of an issue have a respectful and measured conversation. I hope there is a Part 2.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 I hope you are wrong! Whoever has tried the carnivore lifestyle, especially with health issues, is a case study in and of herself/himself. I am relatively new (just over 4 months), made a lot of mistakes as I transitioned straight into the deep end (red meat, salt, water) from an absolutely toxic plant-based elimination diet that was suppesedly healthy but nearly killed me. After about a week of keto-flu things just became better and better and better. Do I trust my body, blood sugar levels, dropping pants, or Dr Dinkov who tells me lipolysis is not happening and I have high blood sugar?! With all due respect, it has been a very enlightening talk, I learnt a lot but I stick to my carnivore guns.
Regarding cortisol suppression of weight loss, i have been carnivoring for 8 months to lose a lot of weight. Unlike all other diets, weight loss has been almost constant with rare stalls. When i do stall, i can easily identify what caused it because the diet is so simple - e.g. i ate too much dairy, drank alcohol on my birthday, etc. obvious stuff. It was going great and i was in a stable routine until winter came and my post-exercise cool off swims tranformed into an opportunity to try out the cold plunge craze. I"ve never been able to tolerate cold water well but forced myself to jump into icy water maybe 4 times over a fortnight. Well my weight loss stalled and i finally figured out it was the stress hormone response to the shock and pain of the cold plunges. So i won't be doing any more Wimhoff experiments, sorry Joe Rogan.
The eskimo argument NEVER includes their environment. I failed miserably on the equator on carnivore-trashed my thyroid and liver and almost died from anaphylactic shock from high histamines. I healed everything with the bioenergetic woe. Pemmican is not just meat and fat-it includes dried fruit and maybe nuts.
The berries that natives ate were Saskatoon berries, cranberries, currants and choke berries. These berries are low in sugar, especially at the time. Berries are hybridized to be sweeter and larger. Alot of times pemmican was just meat and fat. That's it.
Even populations on the Equator like the African Hadza and Brazilian Piraha tend to eat mostly animal foods such as meat and/or fish. That is because equatorial regions also have seasons where the dry season is equivalent to northern winters. For example, the Hadza only have access to much fruit and honey during a short wet season of a 2-3 months. And the nutritionist Mary Ruddick has observed that the Hadza don't eat much fruit and honey, no matter if it's available, as they prefer meat.
Well, don't you think I observe what people eat here in ECUADOR? Tons of starch carbs-3 at a normal almuerzo/lunch, with about 3 oz of meat/fish or an egg. Tropical fruit all year that grows in our backyards and they use most of it as juice. Don't you think that after my big carnivore fail I healed with CARBS. our brains steal sugar from our muscles. From Wikipedia:"Genetically, the Hadza are not closely related to any other people." So, all 1300 of them are adapted to their archaic lifestyle as hunters/gatherers. If YOU lived as they do, you'd probably fail on a meat diet.@@MarmaladeINFP
Great people to get together for a discussion. I think the ray peat ideas have caused a lot of confusion amongst much of the carnivore community of late. And Chaffee certainly represents a very 'purist' view of the carnivore diet, so putting these guys together is very enlightening. Overall I had the impression Georgi was drawing from a lot of the same research he has cited in other interviews but seemed to draw very different conclusions in this discussion. As one example, see his recent interviews with Dr Mercola over the last few months in which he advocated for an evenly mixed macro ratio of fat and carbs? Completely antithetical to the conclusion he drew in this discussion. Had he just never been challenged in any logical way on these ideas? I find that very hard to believe with how well researched he is. Chaffee's first principles approach continues to be the most soundly reasoned perspective on diet for me. Georgi seems to be scrambling together a complicated jigsaw of pathways and mechanisms before even being sure some of the pieces fit, let alone considering there's a giant pile of pieces off to the side that might also be part of the puzzle but we don't even understand yet. Very much appreciate both these guys for taking the time to discuss these ideas publicly in such a great way though.
Dr. Chaffee follows the science- and you can tell he is physically fit and brain very sharp. Watch his videos- carnivore is a human ancestral way of eating. George is only regurgitating misinformation. The 7th day Adventists christians religion ideology designed our food pyramid and RDA, and all the mess George said. Why- 7th Day Adventists Christians wanted to ruin human hormone health by cutting meats and natural animal fats and add naturally toxic plant based foods. Go watch Belinda Fattke on truth of why the human race continues to escalate in illnesses, disease, and cancers you see today!
If you want to talk first principles, I think it’s important to reconsider conclusions he drew in what he thinks is humans natural environment and diet. Why is it he thinks just because humans lived in northern climates for a long time, that means that what we ate and where we lived was most natural? Perhaps in that environment it was just what we needed to survive, but were we thriving to our maximum potential? I would be miserable in conditions like that, eating like that, knowing what it can contrast, but that’s my subjective opinion and experience. When I postulate what Homo sapiens natural diet is, I think of where can he live outside year round without the use of technology, including clothing, weapons and fire. Tropical locations seem much more logical. The weather is the same year round and we can be naked even at night and be comfortable without technology. Our closest animal ancestors live there as well as some of the most intelligent and complex forms of life. Tropical fruits are generally much healthier than say berries and fruit that grow in northern areas, and are high calorie and literally begging to be eaten. They can grow year round. If I was a wild human I would eat until stuffed at a fruit tree. It’s just instinctual. The sweet taste buds are on the tip of our tongue. I myself have eaten 1000-2000 calories from tropical fruit most days for breakfast and or lunch (eaten by itself) since 2010. I keep to 80/10/10 macros and my blood work year after year is excellent. My liver is good, my A1C is 4.7 and blood sugar is in the low 80s. I also look young for my age (35). I try and stay away from oils. I stick to grass fed beef if I eat meat at dinner but I do eat out on occasion too. I never wanted to be orthorexic and like to be flexible but it’s generally fruit for breakfast and lunch. I also allow myself white rice and sweet potato if not enough fruit. I just feel like people need to take into account someone like me who has 13 years of eating a lot of fruit.
@@tropicaoptica Thanks for the thoughtful response. I completely agree, tropical climates are a much more logical place to live. Chaffee is not indicating that northern climates are our natural environment, he is just pointing out that some populations of humans have survived in very cold climates and the human race as a whole has had to survive through ice ages lasting tens of thousands of years in which to your point, the main or only thing we had access to for long periods of time was meat. The fact that we survived through these extremely harsh conditions with little technology eating a meat based diet simply indicates that we can live healthy and resilient lives by eating that way. Of course different populations have had access to different foods depending on the time period and where they lived. But it seems our best evidence would indicate that the mainstay throughout our evolution has been meat. And theirs examples like the Plains Indians that he mentioned in which even when they had access to other foods, they still only really ate meat. I do not deny you are probably very healthy and feeling great eating the way you eat. However you are only one person, unless you decided to change and eat a pure carnivore diet for a significant amount of time then you don't really know what the alternative is. Perhaps after 12 months on a carnivore diet you feel even better than you do now? You are also actually an example of the inconsistent conclusions I was pointing out from Georgi. You are getting the overwhelming majority of your calories from carbohydrates meaning you will not be activating the randle cycle to anywhere near the same degree most typical mixed standard diets do. Chaffee and Georgi both acknowledged that a diet such as yours is probably a better way to eat then most standard diets. I just think Chaffee would argue all those carbohydrates are not essential in the human diet, where as the protein and fat is essential. So if eating a mixed macro nutrient diet is going to cause a problem as they both indicated, then it makes more sense to eat fat over carbohydrates. The attractiveness of fruit certainly is an interesting thing. Ripe fruit of course contains much less toxins than other plants. However it is also the "intention" of a fruiting plant to have the fruit be eaten, while making the seed protected, toxic and difficult to digest, so that the seeds are spread. A sweet fruit is definitely there to be eaten by animals, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's there for humans as some fruits are acutely toxic to us. There is also an interesting argument that the way in which carbohydrates cause more chronic disease may have been an evolutionary adaptation. In that if we temporarily gorged ourselves on tropical fruit in the summer and put on weight that served us well to help survive the winter. That will never be more than theory but it is interesting to think about.
Points deducted from Georgi for not having a decent mic, he sounds like he’s talking through a pillow… and he’s hard enough to follow at the best of times
@@CK51515 It seems like you’re the one with low intelligence here, its understandably that you are a Georgi fan, but going to extreme is not good for your mental health.
It has been pointed out how important visual impressions are. On one hand you have someone who looks unhealthy in a room full of boxes, and on the other you have someone in a normal looking room with better audio and who is physically attractive. Plenty of good points here, and I have been thinking of what my life has been like after decades of eating the meat based diet. What I know from personal experience is that it has been impossible for me to become obese, no matter the volume of food that I eat.
The old saying the proof is in the pudding ! How someone LOOKS when talking nutrition they are espousing is HUGE At least he understands veggies are not good :) but sadly dude is uninformed would be good if he could talk with Chaffee and get on a TRUE carnivore diet for the next year and hear what he has to say
Second glances and a few cat calls I've gotten since losing weight and getting muscular again at my age since going on the Carnivore, "proof is in the pudding" as they say.
57 days Carnivore here and feeling great!!! Blood Sugar completely normalized without Meds. And I'm now off my Blood Pressure Medication with normal readings!!! No more joint pain!! Skin tag vanished! Lots more energy! Increased heat tolerance, so important living in the Sonora Desert! 119° today. Lost 12.5 lbs. Increased strength - I can carry my 100 lbs daughter now, haven't been able to do that since she was about 50-60 lbs. Loving Carnivore!!!
Thanks for your comment I was looking for someone who normalized there BP and dumped the BP meds off of carnivore diet.i am 3 days in hopefully I can get the same results!!
@@JonnyGunz89 I'd asked others early on, and it seemed to take about 3 months on average to normalize BP. For me a little earlier, some a little later. Just a matter of time 😀 I wish you the best!!
@CatholicCarnivoreHousewife thanks!!much appreciated... its only been 3 days for me with fasting one meal a day and I feel pretty good so far.i will keep it up will see how it goes
@@JonnyGunz89make sure you watch the How to Begin Carnivore and What Not to Do on Carnivore, etc videos from Dr Chaffee - he has a lot of great information on his videos - just starting learning, also Dr KenBerry has a lot of good videos on RUclips, too.
Georgi is talking about biochemical processes in an organism, and sometimes as an example he mentions certain chemical or a drug to prove the point, not to promote a drug as many people here think.
He is a supplement salesman what can you say, it's part of his business, but he is still an IT guy, since his supplements business is booming because of youtube he was given a platform to debate with Doctors which is sad for sincere Doctor's like Dr. Chaffee.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Thank you for this discussion. It was so refreshing to see people debate different perspectives and opinions so respectfully. We all benefit when 2 intelligent people can share and listen to one another. I think they both have points. I think they are both knowledgeable. It seems they came to some different conclusions. And of course that's OK. I do not personally feel optimal eating fruit. But some people do. I am so happy they both agree about PUFA and the need for meat.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
You should have put Danny Roddy vs Dr. Anthony Chaffee. Although Georgi has knowledge of the force and is on his journey, Danny Roddy is Luke Skywalker.
@@desertboot9755 Danny Roddy cried when he was presented with Bart Kay’s video, at-least that was the rumor, but Bart Kay’s intelligence is undeniable.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 Georgi is motivated by truth as well. Making the assumption that because he sells supplements he must have no interest in truth that wouldn't benefit business is very cynical for one, but also bordering on ad hominem territory.
I heard calorie restriction makes you live longer from Georgi. In lab mice, that's the data. Also, you feel like crap, no energy to do anything , etc. Sorry. Not trying to live forever. Want to feel good while alive instead. I see plenty of bedridden sick people who live 20+ years like that.
Don’t get me wrong, this vid is misleading with the title. It was more of a “friendly debate” rather than one party bashing the other. Both were very professional and non confrontational as they did agree upon many topics. I would like to see more of these types of layouts where it’s constructive and not subjective.
I'm doing what's recommended, but still no belly fat loss. My doctor says it's due to cortisol, so what's the best way to lower it without taking drugs?
The only one thing I am missing in this very interesting discussion is just a clarification about omega 3 fatty acids, which are also PUFAs. If I guess, that they are actually healthy as opposed to omega 6 fatty acids am I wrong?
PUFA is very old news for health that's its very rarely discuss, but Georgi use PUFA over over and over again for his supplement and medication business.
Yeah I’ve tried the “steady supply of sugar all day” with very low fat, 10-15g a day, and I just got puffy, gassy, and broke out with acne. And the undesirable GI state made me want to workout less. Because no one wants to workout all bloated and farty!💨gross. Carnivore diet ensures little to zero gas, no GI bloat and quiet seemless digestion.
I never understood the argument of there not being anything to eat in an ice age other than meat. Ice ages are characterized by cooler temps around certain parts of the globe... not a perma-frosted earth. Even if an ice covered earth were true, humans wouldn't have been able to eat animals either because those animals rely on vegetation for food themselves.
Wut? You're not making any sense. Animals do indeed survive in very cold conditions, too cold for agriculture. We see that on the steppes of various parts of the world where local natives live off the animals even today.
Wooly mammoths did live in these cold parts didn't they? Don't we call them "wooly" because of that? They survived in extreme cold in ice ages. So these big beasts would have been on the menu at least. If that herbivore found enough to sustain itself perhaps some others did too
@@bigglyguy8429 Of course they survive in the cold and will eat bark and pine needles etc during winter instead of grass, but it's not cold and ice covered year round, and if it became so cold as to permafrost everything, the animals would migrate. So wouldn't the people use meat maybe exclusively for that period of time only, and go back to an omnivorous diet when the snow melts?
@@bigglyguy8429 Agreed. I'd rather eat meat also, I just find the whole "our ancestors" thing a bit flawed, as we can't even agree on what happened 100 years ago let alone hundreds of thousands.
Carnivore diet cured so much for me! * No more perimenopause- completely reversed! *Period cycles all timed perfect with 4 week intervals.And no PMS symptoms, but only the actual menstrual cycle itself! *No more night sweats *No more waking every 2 hours at night! *It used to take me 20 minutes or longer to fall asleep at night when I would first go to bed at night- before carnivore. Now it takes like a minute or less. Haven’t noticed since I am out fast! *No more life long eczema *No more cold hands *No more cold body temp in general! Used to feel like a reptile - only warm in texas sun. *No more IBS symptoms (gas, bloating, stomach pain, constipation, diarrhea) *No more feeling low energy by 12pm and zombie by 4pm *No more purple looking hands in winter *No more brain fog *No more arthritis that I felt in hands, knees, and hips- or elbows *used to have sore hips when sleeping on my side. No more! *Lost 45+ pounds from former baby weight and peri menopause weight. *Always had 20/20 vision with slight stigmatism- but in March doctor said my stigmatism is reversing! *Don’t sunburn as easily anymore and tan well. *Wrinkles around eyes seem to be much less. I am 46 and look like I am in early 30’s. *Gums look super healthy. Dentist seems irritated as my teeth are not dirty when cleaning every six months. Think they know they won’t make money off me. *No more sore chest from monthly periods- no swelling feeling of fullness or discomfort that prevented me from sleeping on my stomach. Now I sleep every night on my stomach! *Fibrocystic Breast issues reversing! Almost all gone after 6 years of buildup! *no cravings unless they are for meat *no more angina symptoms before a period- which started about 3 years ago. *No more feeling weak like almost passing out and dizzy around ovulation and periods * no more fingers swelling- that started a few years ago- rings kept being tight- is pattern I noticed. One ring I had resized larger and it’s super loose now. Will have to resize smaller. *feel stronger- now lifting barbells not just hands weights. Dr. Baker said since I am 46, and 5’7” at 122lbs- need more resistance training to add more muscle weight. . So bought a 47lb barbell off Amazon and have 40 extra pounds added to it. Will continue to progress with that. * i had started growing grey hairs in one of my eyebrows, few hairs at a time, but no grey in my blonde hair yet - but assumed it was coming before Carnivore. Now on carnivore I have had no new grey hairs growing in eye brows and still no grey hair in my natural blonde hair. And in the sun it gets super light highlights. * no more body odor! * I used to get a little anxiety with large crowds- like if attending special events- but since on carnivore I don’t get it that much. *I was a bit OCD before carnivore, but so much more relaxed so barely like that. * I was a relaxed person before, but somehow am even more relaxed and never stress about things. *Since I was a young child my sense of smell has been terrible. But not even a month in on carnivore my sense of smell has gone crazy! I smell things even far away! Amazing! *no more allergies! I was allergic to cedar and oak pollens- and mold- but since carnivore I am no longer reacting to those outdoor pollens which is amazing! * I have had no more issues from ear wax build up. Had it twice after having kids and docs would say it was a hormonal problem. Carnivore cured that too! If I think of anything else will add. ☺️👍🏻 I know when people go on carnivore they are trying to heal something, but if they aren’t like me and notice small things- they may not notice they are healing way more than they realized- things plant foods were causing! And they need to remember, processed foods are made from plants- but so are whole foods (raw or cooked!) they are all toxic! The carnivore diet cures! ☺️👌🏻 The body is a network made of multiple gears- and if one gets messed up it causes a whole domino affect of problems like I had! The carnivore lifestyle is not a fad, it’s the ancestral human way of eating! Go Carnivore for a few months and see how you feel! ☺️👍🏻
@@KenWang2 lol., I call that denial. Like.. sticking your fingers in your ears, and singing to avoid hearing what you dont like:P Yes, fasting is good, but it doesnt jelp long term if you eat crap inbetween fasting sessions. And you cant just fast.. that would kill you over time.
@@KenWang2 i didn’t just not eat anything between fasting times! I ate beef, eggs, and just drank water! So carnivore did heal it. I didn’t really fast- I was just not always hungry because meat is nutrient dense and the body is happy and stays full absorbing it all. Carnivore is what healed me, not fasting.
Be specific on your carbohydrates, doctor. Fruit and green veg are 2 different things. You are “lumping”. A common method to hide what’s really going on.
Thinking that scurvy is actually problem on carnivore, or waste will sit there and putrify are pretty fundamental errors. Also that meat without carbs will make too much gluconeogenisis, forgetting that you could ensure sufficient fat
Georgi completely misunderstands the glycerol fatty acid cycle. The entire point of it is the body is locking out glucose in order to protect the cell from glycated damage. He understands the mechanism but not its purpose so he says the solution is to block fatty acid absorption to force glucose into the cell when the fact that elevated glucose is the problem! The entire point of it is to protect itself from too much glucose, not to force glucose into the cell through blocking fat. All you will do is accelerate glycative damage to those cells and cause even more inflammation.
@@tanyasydney2235 Glucose would be elevated if you engorge on it more than you burn it though. Blaming fat for the glucose problems is just ignorant. Sure you can mitigate some of the damage made by glucose by only eating it but if you are one of those who keeps over eating then end of the day it's the same side effect.
what would you expect Georgi is a supplement salesman, that’s his business, medication and supplementation is the way to go for him, but if you want optimum health then Dr. Chaffee is for you. This is a free country choose which one you prefer.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Not everybody who eats carnivore is going to look like Anthony Chaffee. Some people just don’t have it in the cards. I haven’t seen Georgi below the shoulders. I have seen men who were very stocky and round faced who were thick in the body but very muscular and not very large in the mid section. So the stocky build is different but not necessarily inferior to someone like Anthony chafee.
Lol people think if they eat carnivore like Dr Chaffer they're going to become more attractive. Yes he's like a traditionally attractive guy but that's more like winning the genetic lottery rather than a result of his diet. He'd look just as good eating like Georgie
@@andyb190 in the context of a well functioning body where oxidative phosphorilation is not broken, sugar will be metabolised properly and provide energy and activate proper utilization of eletrolytes at the level of the kidneys and so much... sure you dont "need" it but is useful. Some genetics/ broken OXPHOS fat metabolism in many people may actually require glucose in the diet to function properly tho... its not a black and white world ... theirs allot of nuance that must be appreciated in human biology.
I would have liked to hear Georgi’s counter comments on the fructose issue when Dr. Chaffee brought that up. A good amount of Georgi’s position (the bioenergetic/Ray Peat position) is in favor of fructose. Also, grains as a source of dietary starch/glucose aside given their more widely agreed upon associated issues, there was mention of populations that rely on tubers which primarily provide glucose from starch. However, there was no discussion of the caveats/issues that accompany more ‘ancestrally’ oriented/natural starch sources such as tubers primarily. I.e., things like protease inhibitors, oxalates, lectins, saponins, and the higher fiber vs starch content of wild tubers as well as the toxins in plants overall which would be the source(s) of dietary glucose in the first place. So there ends up being two metabolically feasible pathways: protein + starch/glucose or protein + fat (mostly saturated and monounsaturated). The former would accompany the issue of the aforementioned plant toxins at very least if deriving the dietary glucose from ‘natural’ unrefined food sources. The chronic stress issue is a critical confounding variable in dietary success outcomes to consider given how nearly unavoidable that is with modern lifestyles.
They both went on too long without letting the other respond. By the time each one got a turn they'd forgotten what the other said at the beginning of their piece.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
@@Goldenhawk583That is his busines, what can I say. ( Dinkov) Dr. Chaffee is way intelligent and professional, that's why they should not put these 2 together.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
Very interesting, i’ve been reading many reviews from ex long term carnivores and keto eaters who have started to feel miserable , and they swear by Ray peat approach, by implementing milk, fruit, sugar in coffee, honey, their life have changed up side down, deep 8h sleep, insane energy etc . Is there a missing link to it 😬
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest. But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business. He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements. Georgi wins, business is his bottom line. Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people. but this is our world.
We won't know who is right until at least decades down the road. What matters most are the long-term results. The advantage to the carnivore diet is that we have populations that have been following carnivore diets for generations. They seem to do fine. But we don't have populations that have done the Ray Peat diet for generations. So, there is no way to do a useful comparison at present.
Wait … I should eat carbs which spike my blood sugar so the protein doesn’t raise my blood sugar? My experience has been when I eat meat with enough fat my blood sugar is very slightly increased in a nice gentle slope.
When you eat protein without carbs your insulin goes up, but so does your cortisol, in order to prevent your blood sugar from dropping too low. High cortisol is implicated in all chronic diseases. A blood sugar spike from a carb-containing meal that quickly stabilizes may be preferable over what you say happens after your meals.
@@fedegroxowow. More baseless words. Maybe instead of writing your mindless drivel, how about going on a proper human diet (pure carnivore)for a month and reporting back. Ruminant meat and its associated fats, salt and water.
Protein doesn't come to the party alone. The fats deaden the insulin spike, which is incidentally a fraction of the carb spike. Why would an extreme insulin response be preferred to a minor one and whilst "stabilised" the BS/Insulin levels still stay elevated for many hours.afterwards.
He is a supplement salesman his business is growing like exposure with this interview those boxes sent to his costumers, are like victims if you will, but you can relax and just drink coke like him, your cortisol might rise so relax take his supplements and drink coke.
Looks like Mr. Dinkov prefers correcting every inbalance with a drug (which comes with side effects) instead of adopting a diet which doesn't cause thes inbalances in the first place.
Georgi sucked. He didn't talk all that much about the benefits of carbs and how important they are. He did a poor job putting forward the bioenergetic POV on carbs and sugar.
![Carnivore Diet Dangers? 2 Doctors Answer Questions [Dr Anthony Chaffee]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bVj_kYUM0Sk/mqdefault.jpg)
If you love interviews like this would love a podcast review so I can do more debates...etc...Click this link: ratethispodcast.com/briangryn/itunes thanks!😀
Thank you, such an interesting video! Lots of question answered, and even more unanswered; hope you will continue!
I ate strict carnivore (Lion diet) for 3 years (beef, salt, and water) mainly because eating anything else made me very sick! Fortunately, the carnivore/Lion diet was able to heal my gut along with a lot of other chronic health issues, especially my depression and anxiety. However, my health still wasn’t ideal because I still had chronic migraines, zero energy, and poor digestion (especially for fat).
I had been following Dr. Saladino from his carnivore days and I saw that he started eating fruit, so I decided to give the meat and fruit diet a try and I’ve been feeling SO much better since then! I finally have enough energy to do the things I want to do instead of being stuck in bed all day. I’m actually able to workout without getting fatigued after only a few minutes. And my migraines have gotten a lot better too! So overall, my quality of life has drastically improved once I started including fruit into my diet!
I definitely think the carnivore diet served me well when basically everything else I ate made me sick, however, once my gut had healed and I was able to reintroduce different foods without reacting to them, I was finally able to address the few remaining nagging health issues that the carnivore diet wasn’t able to heal for me.
Very interesting. It's interesting how some need the added fruit for energy and vitality and others get their vitality and energy from meat alone..
That's amazing! Do you think it's common to have to go strict to heal first to be able to tolerate the fruits/veggies etc? Or would it be fine to implement the carbs earlier? I too struggle with my health, and I'm worried about my kidneys getting damaged by too much protein intake. The verdict is so mixed on it causing kidney damage or not. Some seem to heal on carnivore and others seem to get kidney damage... And so many state too much fat can also cause a lot of issues. Too much conflicting info out there 😆 I'm looking at no-plant GAPS. Seems to be able to expedite the process. Then gradually increase everything else to see what my body tolerates or not.
I am basically carnivore plus fruit now, as well. Curious: how much fruit do you eat in a day?
Mod is a beast. No talking over and cutting off. This is how it’s done.
Repeating what the mainstream has taught us for the past decades, is probably the most socially safe approach. At least until it suddenly changes.
Agreed! So many hosts or mods interrupt so much that guests lose a train of thought and often don’t go back to the topic they interrupted.
Puffas interferes with the transport of the active thyroid in the blood stream.
True although we the viewers also did not talk over them or cut them off.
What a great debate! Such intelligence from both debaters, thank you for this service to the public. Coming from a clinical background, I find the intellectual science interesting but the clinical outcomes are really what drives me to this carnivore WOE. We can talk about and speculate chemical reactions all day, but what happens to people when they take on the lifestyle is where the rubber meets the road. Well done gentlemen! 🙏🏻
Exactly. Hours of debate and talking and I can't ignore the real-life stories (and results) of people who have done it themselves--some for a very long time.
Tons of people have crashed and burned going carnivore or low carb too. And it’s not easy recovering metabolism
I follow Georgi’s bioenergetic style eating and I stay fit. It’s been way easier to gain muscle this way than low carb meat and butter based diets. I actually developed gyno doing low carb.
I remember just laying in bed with my arms crossed my hands would fall asleep. Never had good energy to work out (still did). Sleep suffered, got cold easily. Kept at it for years and really screwed my metabolism
low carb carnivore diet is the worse thing you can do to your health.
I do low carb mostly because sibo/sifo are a problem for me and it helps eliminate those symptoms. Also, I do notice I feel generally calmer.
but I do worry about the shbg. I feel like my sex drive kinda tanks on low carb. I always notice it when I reintroduce carbs and remember what it's like to be horny lol.
@@dreaminginnootherwhat is your low carb diet? Chicken and veg?
@@Amanda.c91 almost completely steak and ground beef.
@@dreaminginnoother well yikes man, glad you found what works for you! thats what experiments are all about! good on you!!
Loved this conversation. So civil and so intelligent ❤
Great piece. It would interesting if the gentleman in the room full of boxes, tried the carnivore diet himself and provide an update of how the diet worked on him.
Right, TBH I wouldn't want diet or nutrition advise from someone who looks worse than I do, jus sayin
@@d3mist0clesgee12 You're a midwit
He said he did years ago. I think he said 2009
@@d3mist0clesgee12 im not sure wjat his muscle condition is... but he did have a run in with the keto diet that may have broken his metabolism and OXPHOS so he may still be recovering from that.. consumption of PUFAs in the first 25 years of my life really destroyed my abikity to put on lean muscle mass.. and mold... i do carnivore and animal based and have great trouble aquiring lean muscle mass from all the damage that has been done... never judge someone by the look you dont know their past
..
Keto is not nescessarily bad persay.. its the version of keto that contains high omega 6 pufas that is EXTREMELY damaging to the body.
I think I would rather look like Dr Chaffee. I have been carnivore for 90 days and I feel fantastic and have had so many benefits it’s crazy.
I was thinking similarly, we should see the results of the so called better method. We are limited by genetics but we should be able to get to our best version.
@@gerard6629so you went through this podcast and then decided based on looks? Why didn't you just look at a picture of these two fellows instead? Seems much less time consuming. All I'm gonna say to you is that looks don't matter too much. Anthony could possibly be on TRT (low carb diets lead to low testosterone) and exercising a lot, Georgi is not really doing any of this. Good luck with carnivore, just don't let dogmatism about your diet prevent you from using your senses if things start going south
Yes, because Dr. Chaffee looks like he does, because of the carnivore die. Before he went carnivore, he looked like an overweight incel. A diet will change your whole physiognomy and body proportions withing a couple of years, everybody knows this. It has nothing to do with his genetic backgound and the life of his parents and grandparents in particular. No, it's the fad diet he is following for a few years! :D
If looks didn’t matter it would not be something people use as a decision maker. No one buys a bruised orange because it doesn’t look optimal. This is not a foreign concept. I am allowed to have an opinion, no?
@@gerard6629That's part of the problem, people choosing what they do based on the looks of someone. You are free to do what you want even if it might not be the actual best decision.👍
These are the debates the carnivore community need. Thank you both for your time and thank you Dr. Chaffee for bringing the facts in this fight for health and truth!! 💜💜💜
but facts that Dr.Chaffee are bringing is incorrect. he said those people on high meat were triving and that incorrect.they were surviving. autopsies done on these people show massive vasiculaire diseases and bone health.
The change of protein to glucose in the presence of a very low carb or zero carb carnivore diet is demand driven, not supply driven. I would think Giorgi would know this.
Georgi is very smart man...i listen to him as i had iron overload...listen & learn peeps!!!
I hope there's a part 2 bcs this was so good!🎉
I agree. These two are wonderful and their ability to talk with respect and knowledge is so helpful.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
Thank you guys. Insightful conversation
Giorgi talking about bacteria growing on meat in the intestines…what does he think happens with fibrous plants in the gut? FERMENTATION.
Well what is missing in all this is that if you have a MCAS or strong histamine intolerance the carnivore or even ascetic keto (with minimum plants and almost no carbs) makes one sicker and increases cortisol and stress and inflammation in the body. Pro-metabolic seems to tamper this.
There is more than a century of research that shows the keto diet effectively treats numerous diseases. And the histamine response typically comes from aged foods. Not all animal foods are aged. As for cortisol, Chaffee points out that it only rises when one first starts the keto diet but drops over time.
ruclips.net/video/nTqqZrK2GwA/видео.html
@@MarmaladeINFP not when you have that from birth
Twenty years ago I would have thought the guy on the left would be the carnivore and the guy on the right would be the omnivore. Also, judging from the backgrounds, one is a slob and the other looks like a neat person. Based off of looks alone, I'd have to say Chaffee will win this debate.
Looks don't matter. Its what's inside
@@seamusmcmahon1182 Looks do matter. Like, when you've got a guy questioning optimal health via meat-based diets while drinking a coke. It looks like he's being a hypocrite. Also inflammation, such as his is a product of not eating healthy. He can think he's educated but his looks say otherwise.
Georgi runs a growing company, he’s at his office.
@@bradleygermain6288it's Mexican coke he is drinking. Go and research how good it is for you. Start with googling Ray Peat
And you'd be wrong.
ROUGH Notes Part 2:
36:00 to 1:12:00ish (I don't feel like doing the rest lol)
-Chaffee - yeah fructose really bad...addiction, kills parts of brain like meth
-high blood sugar can be dangerous >> AGEs, high hbA1c ; hyperinsulinemia (drives many disease states)
-ketosis default, normal metabolic state, not a "starvation" state/fasting state
-carbs can also block leptin >> satiety, other circadian rhythm related hormonal signaling, GH action...
-insulin will shut down LPL; glucose spikes/rebounds >> hangry-ness/overeating
-fructose >> broken down into same byproducts as ethanol >> NAFLD, cirrhosis, peripheral IR/T2DM, cancer, alz.
-Dinkov - lipid peroxidation required for glycation in humans, not sugar alone...
-in T2D mostly obese >> higher cortisol, other issues underlying besides high carb alone
-Aspirin completely fixed some people w/IR issues...(cp. Randle Cycle)
-glucose gets bad "rap" even though it's involved.....not primary underlying factor but FFA/oxidation issues
-insulin...cf. Ozempic stimulates insulin release and is causing *weight loss*
-PUFAs are blocking ox-phos; oxidized cholesterol(LDL particles?) more causal of ASCVD...
-fat in general blocks ox-phos of carbs...PDH rate-limiting step...
-too much fat >> too 'reduced' state (NAD+/NADH ratio...)...problem with lactate production...assoc. w/disease states
-another drug that blocks excess FA oxidation >> treats diabetes (over 30 countries use it...)...similar mechanisms of Aspirin, vit E, niacinamide...
-stress hormones inhibit glucose oxidation...
-bioenergetic way to lose weight: build lean mass, avoid PUFAs, keep metabolic rate high, keep stress low
-Chaffee -agrees with a lot, esp. PUFAs etc. ...
-agree with Randle cycle thing but says ok just eat FAT, not carbs
-ozempic >> rebound though (Dinkov agrees with him)
-cortisol...some studies show after 8 weeks on ketogenic, LOWER cortisol...; studies seem mixed but possible some populations were actually deficient and then show rise to normal levels; seems like low carb ameliorates symptoms of high cortisol
-his carnivore patients have normal cortisol
THANK YOU ! I appreciate your generosity 👍
Amazing debate! Thanks, Brian for putting this together!
So, if we ate mostly meat during the ice age, we didn't eat herbivore's, right? Because they would have had to eat stuff that wasn't growing! So, what did we eat? Lions, Tigers and Bears wouldn't have survived either without Herbivores. I think we ate a few skinny Rabbits and some Tubers we dug out from the snow and ice! There wasn't much to eat at all. I wonder how we even survived?
Another thing I want to say about the looks: I went hardcore keto and looked really good but felt like sh!t. Long story short i think considering georgi’s energy and aura is a real thing, he clearly feels good and feeling good is the main way a lot of people like me begin to believe in bioenergetic eating
My name is Alberto Leonardo Barkema. I' m MD, pediatrician for 36 years in Brazil. I see a lot of benefits in a keto diet. I ' ve also been interested in the carnivore diet, specially for some chronic diseases, despite having still some questions. My understanding was always that the human being is a omnivore and not a strict carnivore. Why would our saliva even contain amylase, an enzyme to begin to digest starches in our.... mouths? Our pancreas also produce the same enzymes to continue digestion in the bowels. I have questions about this human phisiology. Does lion's and wolf's also produce amylase??? Thanks.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
Our ability to digest plants is a survival advantage.
That doesn't mean we should be eating plants, or that there's necessarily any benefit.
Your not a lion...look in the mirror
This carnivore Dr. is talking about indigenous people and how they do well on eating carnivore with no carbs basically. That is interesting information, but it has nothing to do with people living high stress modern life style. That's why most people crash sooner or later on no carb diets. Carnivore people crash from chronically low liver/muscle glycogen and chronically elevated cortisol and adrenalin. Vegan crash from low amino acids, deficiencies of many micronutrients, because most of them are not bioavailable from plants.. So people pls use your own brain and eat the good stuff that is from animals and plants as well and you don't end up like most carnivore/vegan sheeps..
You obviously aren't familiar with gluconeogenesis. I've been carnivore for years and have no trouble with what you mentioned. You do you but don't bash something you know nothing about.
@@davem4193 How many years have you been carnivore?
I started strict keto in 2007, followed until 2016 when I switched to carnivore. I stopped carnivore in 2019 after being diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome and hypothyroidism. I currently eat meat, fruit, dairy, honey, and sugar. No nuts or pufa's. I've gained 15 lbs of muscle since 2019 and I feel much better than I did when I was carnivore. It takes a long time for some people to hit that wall, but many do.
@@erickminor Strict keto since 2015 and carnivore since 2021. I already had hypothyroidism before starting both, hasn't made much of a difference either way but when I was keto I still ate fruit, dairy, nuts and vegetables. Since switching to carnivore I have cured a host of health issues that keto did not fix: chronic migraines, osteoarthritis, metabolic syndrome, sleep apnea, gum disease and high blood pressure just to name a few. I also easily lost an additional 25 lbs that I couldn't lose on keto. I do a lot of day hiking with mileage up to 25 miles and elevation gains up to 5500 ft. I have much more energy for hiking on carnivore, I can hike all day without stopping to rest or eat. I hike in a fasted state on top of that. I highly doubt I will crash but anything is possible. People like Kelly Hogan, Lisa Weideman and many more have been doing carnivore for 15+ years and say they have tons of energy. Dr. Chaffee has interviewed multiple people who have been doing carnivore for 40+ years and are in great health, one of them was an 82 year old woman who looked like she was in her 60's and still does physical labor on her cattle ranch every day. Owsley Stanley did carnivore from the 1960's until he was killed in a car accident around 2010 at age 76.
@@davem4193 You know the name of one metabolic pathway, you must be very smart
Very difficult to watch with the microphone noise from Georgi.
Carnivore for two years, losing weight and easily maintaining it, looking great. If I cheat the weight and visual fat around face and midsections rushes bacc literally in few days, jus personal two cents.
Fortunately it should go away as soon as you get back on track.
@@pekkahorttanainen8812 yeah, I'm bacc to ketosis pretty fast when I'm bacc on diet, just that cheat meal. or day lol 🙂
Surely it’s not the fat returning. It’s probably water weight
Keto people need to realize animal based carbs from raw milk and honey are beneficial. Fruit is also ok in small amounts.
I like both these guys
Looking at both these speakers I know which diet I'm choosing for sure! 😅🎉 20 days on carnivore and going strong😊
💗 3 carnivore documentaries
ruclips.net/video/UZgE4LPoAdc/видео.html
.💗
ruclips.net/video/j_vE53-tyHI/видео.html
.💗
ruclips.net/video/PyIxPBbB2jc/видео.html
.💗
.💗
@@urb4444my body my choice right?
Why so sensitive?
Stay strong 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
You can see in their faces what to trust. I am biased here because I eat Carnivore :)
Don't trust people, trust facts.
I was just thinking this week it would be awesome to hear Georgi debate somebody with his wealth of knowledge... excited for this!
George is nothing compared to Dr. Chaffee.
He did seem pretty sharp too, but carnivore didn't work for me at all. Georgi and Jay Feldman's advice has been life changing. The amount of energy I have now is incredible, my sleep is better, nose breathing is easier, and my historically awful seasonal allergies were non existent this year. My snoring and wife reported mild sleep apnea has improved greatly. And I starting to lose weight now too. It's not necessarily quick but it's effective and I feel great.
@@HenryCransso you achieved these results via a Peterian approach?
I didn't like the way I felt first 3 weeks of carnivore. (I probably didn't give it enough time). Was I just in carb withdrawal?
@@ronaldfriedline9297 it is not necessary to reduce carbs. Especially simple sugars. Going low carb will force your body to produce carbs via gluconeogenesis. This is not a good thing, it's metabolically expensive and can lead to harmful byproducts.
Burning muscle for fuel is a akin to burning wooden furniture for fire, when you have sufficient, cheap, firewood
We need to donate a green screen and a pod microphone to Georgi! 😃
Great podcast!
Great discussion!!
So the man that's talking about carbs is over weight and looks unhealthy and the man talking about meat looks healthy.
I guess whoever takes more steroids is right and the actual arguments and science doesnt matter.
Someone needs to stop eating the microphone.
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Simple.... Who looks the healthiest? Look at the clutter behind Georgi.
Great info, but hide the coffee pot from Georgi...lol!
I think you mean the donuts that go with the coffee, lol
Half of dinkov points seem to be based on the presumption that people on carnivore are eating their meat raw. His other half is a concern of over consumption of protein which is actually very hard to do. 300g's of protein in an active male over 200lbs may seem high to some but is certainty healthy. biggest concern is hydration and electrolyte levels. Proper salt and water intake keeps everything flowing fine and muscle recovery optimal.
No more than 30 grams of protein can be used for muscle protein synthesis during a meal. Though protein serves other functions as well, eating 300 grams of protein is extremely wasteful
I had a lot of trouble understanding Georgi, his microphone is terrible.
The debate aside, what do your eyes tell you here?
To use your brain and not pre-judge.
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyMan That´s what your eyes tell you here?
@@valgeir80 You don't even know what you're looking at.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyMan Explain it clearly ? he is overweight, and relying on medication and supplementation everyday.
Seems like you see something that's out of reality.
I love that Georgi had no problem drinking his Coca Cola during the debate. 😆
😅
😂😂😂😂
I would struggle to believe someone who won’t show at least 1/2 of his upper body. Obviously has something to hide. Dr Chaffee has no trouble at all showing everyone how healthy he looks.
@@jamiem3115 Georgi is obviously knowledgeable I just don’t quite agree with his approach. A drunk can tell you drinking is bad for you (not saying Georgi is comparable to a drunk).
Sugar is a hell of a drug
Wish georgi was a bit healthier looking.
Ive been on the ray peat sugar wave and have lost 100 lbs off as much juice/sugar i want. And rice+meat for dinner.
Even eating ice cream for dinner (with no pufas. Hard to find good stuff)
The most fit and healthy ive felt in my 30 years of life.
How did you do it?
@cecilechau7932 zero cheat meals. Zero pufa. (Which i believe georgi still eats and uses vitamin E + aspirin to avoid side effects)
I eat very bland and boring
What do you eat for breakfast and lunch? Do you eat eggs? Are they regular eggs or pastured eggs? Do you eat bacon? Do you eat pork or chicken or just beef?
@@seannolan3927post a Video. You’d be the first peater I’ve ever seen who’s lost significant weight and judging from your comment was out of shape basically all his life
He's the only one really. Look at Danny Roddy, Jay Feldman, Mike Fave etc, they all look great.
this is fantastic man. two knowledgable and level headed guys who are clearly communicating their ideas, and a moderator who doesn't interrupt and asks the right questions. what every debate should strive for!
George doesn’t know anything
@@JennifertxCarnivore maybe be a bit more specific on points you disagree with him on? since it is pretty clear that this is not true!
Georgi idea is wrong from the outset. His whole premise is that cortisol is dangerously elevated when carbs are omitted from the diet. This is totally incorrect. ONLY with elevated insulin will cortisol rise as blood glucose glycogen stores deplete. Facts he won't even acknowledge.
@@analyze.and.optimize She's probably been on the carnivore diet for a few weeks, so she knows way more than Georgi, who's been researching this stuff for the past 8+ years.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
Its almost like people who are more prone to fat storage do better on carnivore and people like me who are naturally lean do better on pro metabolic. Just an observation. I did carnivore for 2 years and experienced some really bad stress and insomnia. Adding in fruit has fixed those issues.
So you’re still animal based? I am still doing pretty strict carnivore, and any time I add back fruits I spiral lol. I’m not overweight, but I’m definitely prone to store fat.
Agree. I'm lean and when I did low carb meat based, my electrolytes drained away. Urine started smelling like ammonia. Feel much better adding some carbs back.
This may be the case. I wonder if we could get some studies/polls/etc. I definitely see a duality in both the research and with stories I hear. I just started carnivore a couple of weeks ago and so far I feel great on it. But, I know people that have had to add in fruits, honey, berries, teas, and/or tubers to be healthy. I tend to carry a lot of fat, so if the theory is true, I should be able to continue this way without issues. I am going to start tracking the encounters I have with people to see if I find patterns.
Metabolic typing has been around for ages. Paul Chek was my introduction to it, years ago, when I started studying nutrition. I am also lean, have done long periods on both keto and carnivore, and find I do better on a mixed fat and carbs; others are better on higher carb or higher fat. You find your equilibrium. The main thing is to get your nutrients in and for that you base your diet around animal foods, period.
This style of debate was refreshing. I appreciate the way each individual remained respecful, open-minded, and considerate, and came together to put ideas on the table and hash it out looking for truth, rather than focusing on being "right."
I've been on a red meat and water diet for a few weeks now.
So far, so good. With all the lies, misinformation, and advice from entities who are vested in our sickness, it's impossible to know the truth without jumping into the water ourselves. People love to warn me of the dangers of my diet.
But my joints have stopped killing me during and after my workouts, my mind, mood, and body seem balanced and level, and I'm leaning out..
I tend to trust the intent of a man's message more when his primary goal isn't to sell pills or a book..
Keep in mind, that food today is no longer what it used to be. We have to adapt.
My sister, brother-in-law, my daughter, and others I know all have had to come off a vegan lifestyle diet due to deficiencies.
I'm open minded at this point.
There are ways to know the truth without jumping into the water, but then if you know the truth, you already in the water… so you are in the water first or you know the truth first?
They believe the propaganda that has been fueled by gov and media for decades and refuse to believe updated research
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
Some day Georgi will buy a good mic and my life will be much more pleasant.
Lol
Vegetarians who are concerned about the climate should be very worried that the amount of land dedicated to grow grains is a worst contributor to climate change than cows fart.
Yep cow farms are carbon neutral too
💗 3 carnivore documentaries
ruclips.net/video/UZgE4LPoAdc/видео.html
.💗
ruclips.net/video/j_vE53-tyHI/видео.html
.💗
ruclips.net/video/PyIxPBbB2jc/видео.html
.💗
.💗🦬🐄🐖🦌💗🦸♂️🥩🙋
Very true. All the rodents, birds, insects, lizards, etc…
Exactly 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Most of the green house gasses are from the ocean anyways lol
@@reallyshelyep our oceans definitely can store limitless amounts of CO2
I was a happy carnivore until my body started failing, weak muscles, brain fog, difficulty swallowing. I thought I was dying then heard Georgi's failure on Keto that was resolved by taking orange juice . I did the same with very sweet tea and my body came back to life. Clearly I wasn't fat adapting and my tissues were starving to failure. Odder people may have trouble converting body fat to liquid fat and may lack enzymes at the the cellular level to use the fatty acids as fuel.. Thanks to Georgi, I'm eating lower fat protein and added fruit. I'm so sad that I felt poorly so long and degenerated. I do believe the carnivore diet is really species appropriate as long as your body can metabolize it. I had my gall bladder removed quite young so that may have been a factor.
How long were you carnivore?.. And how long did it take for your health to start breaking down?
Hi Mark.
I was carnivore for about 2 years. I think I never felt great, never really came to the point of feeling strong like many report.. As I'm older, I presumed it was something else . I knew about the possibility of not converting fats efficiently as part of general knowledge but I never made the connection to my extreme situation. it wasn't until things were severe, general body failure, that I heard Georgi on You tube when he was specifically asked to tell his story. The result of drinking tea loaded with sugar was dramatic and almost immediate. Not sure how much damage I did to my body during the deterioration. There may have been other factors. I'm still getting muscle strength back but I never felt really weak or dizzy again.
I listened to the Dr. Ray Peat interviews and incorporate simple sugars with the meat and collagen with muscle meat. As all are absorbed high up, I still have little fiber and never feel stuffed. Dr. Peat felt simple sugars are superfoods, contrary to mainstream ideas. I should probably be checking my blood sugar but frankly, I choose life and won't worry about it.
As a nurse, having seen too much 'progressive and irreversible' illness that responds well to carnivore, I still think it's wonderful if you can do it's remedially. The body is flexible.
I wrote this up because I did want some of the teachers of carnivore to acknowledge that there might be enyzymatic deficiencies which affect one's health on carnivore.
Good luck with your explorations.
@@brookstorm9789 I wonder what proportion of people can really thrive in the long run eating carnivore.
Mark,
I'm thinking of an early paleo book where the author had studied nutritional anthropology. It was a reminder that nature is only interested in maintaining adult vigor until you procreate. That used to be quite young. After that you are seen a s competing with the children for food so may be killed off in some way. Essential processes may get down regulated. It's interesting to see these forums with a frenzy of strategies to cheat nature, biohacking etc. The subtle suggestion was to eat a lot less and tip toe by.@@markaguilera493
Yes...me too. I'm 47 and now feeling better & looking 👌
Extremely valuable information from both these men. How wonderful that they were given equal time to speak and the interviewer didn’t keep interrupting. I learned a lot.
Georgi, everything this that drugs blah, blah, blah, to fix this and that because of this, blah, blah: Dr. Chaffee, just eat meat, hahaha,
Glad you enjoyed it!
Haha
@@d3mist0clesgee12 Georgi's information will get you out of a whole lotta trouble, should you find yourself there. Georgi mostly suggests nutrients, not deadly medications.
I think George is quite a clever guy and he made very good arguments very interesting and make sense. I personally eat carbs and feel better than carnivore. But I think the problems are the seed oils and and processed crapp. The truth is always somewhere in the middle never in the dogma and extreme.
I eat only animal product and I have absolutely no poop issues, it actualy solve most of my issues, much less than when I was eating a mixed diet
Agreed. My experience too. It cured my gut issues I had all my life in about two weeks.
I too have had digestion issues my entire life until I went on carnivore.
Stink
Same, I don't even poop anymore. W
But is it ideal though, do you have at least two bowel movements a day?
I loved this interview!!! ❤ I have gone back and forth between carnivore and pro metabolic for YEARS and I have been confused on what to believe when I have listened to hundreds of hours of podcasts from both sides. I do get a severe stress response from low carb/carnivore, extreme insomnia and electrolyte disturbances (that I haven't been able to fix with electrolytes) so I always have to revert back to pro metabolic. That lowers my stresshormones and I can sleep more but then I also have more pain and inflammation instead...🤪 But my body just can't take anymore sleeplessness and racing heart so I have to prioritize sleep so I HAVE to eat some carbs at the moment. But I'm working my way towards lower carbs and hope that my very gradual approach will get me to a place where I can go fully carnivore again bcs I do think that it's better in the long run to fix my leaky gut, insulin resistance and inflammation. Can't seem to completely get rid of that on a pro metabolic approach.
Don't make it so difficult, just eat what makes you feel good. If you have major metabolic damage it will take a long time to get things back to the way they are supposed to be. Just nourish yourself and stop dwelling on it.
@@erikhancock98569 Yeah, if he follows your advice he will never get things back the way they are supposed to be. Cake makes me feel good, I suppose I should just not dwell on it, you live only once, am I right? 😂
I've read many reports of women having to eat fat (like a stick of butter) just before going to bed in order to resolve the sleep issues on carnivore. Look up some of the female carnivores like Nutrition with Judy or Carnivore Yogi. Thankfully I sleep 8 hours a night as a carnivore (almost 4 years now) without the butter.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326are u his personal solicitor ?
Dr Chaffee is Unbelievably patient!! Actually both men present their perspectives very well. Great video!!
Glad you enjoyed!
I can say the same thing about Georgi!
Am no wiser about what to eat. I am sick playing russian roulette with my nutrition. I dont do puffa or coke or medications . My ancestors didnt eat junk food. They ate poultry and beef lard and veg. The granny baked sweet treets a few times a year. Perhaps thats the key go to as near your ancesterol diet as you can. Stay away from big supermarkets go to butcher and baker.
I think I will go with the guy who looks like he is from the movie 300😂Also talk about simple versus complicated, I will stick with carnivore all the way👍
Yep- go watch Dr. Chaffee, Dr. Baker, and Dr. Berry on carnivore diet!
You'll regret it one day like I did. The living on cortisol gets hard to deal with.
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyMan, how did the high cortisol manifest for you? I'm nearing two years, but I feel calm, balanced, sleep well. But I may be missing something; I sure have plenty space for improvement.
@@NoKingsNoGodsOnlyManwhen is it supposed to get hard?
@@sigawofI'm over 5 years and keep waiting for all these terrible things people say will happen.
I don’t usually comment but wanted to say this was a great interview. It’s uncommon to see two smart individuals on different sides of an issue have a respectful and measured conversation. I hope there is a Part 2.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 I hope you are wrong! Whoever has tried the carnivore lifestyle, especially with health issues, is a case study in and of herself/himself. I am relatively new (just over 4 months), made a lot of mistakes as I transitioned straight into the deep end (red meat, salt, water) from an absolutely toxic plant-based elimination diet that was suppesedly healthy but nearly killed me. After about a week of keto-flu things just became better and better and better. Do I trust my body, blood sugar levels, dropping pants, or Dr Dinkov who tells me lipolysis is not happening and I have high blood sugar?! With all due respect, it has been a very enlightening talk, I learnt a lot but I stick to my carnivore guns.
Regarding cortisol suppression of weight loss, i have been carnivoring for 8 months to lose a lot of weight. Unlike all other diets, weight loss has been almost constant with rare stalls. When i do stall, i can easily identify what caused it because the diet is so simple - e.g. i ate too much dairy, drank alcohol on my birthday, etc. obvious stuff. It was going great and i was in a stable routine until winter came and my post-exercise cool off swims tranformed into an opportunity to try out the cold plunge craze. I"ve never been able to tolerate cold water well but forced myself to jump into icy water maybe 4 times over a fortnight. Well my weight loss stalled and i finally figured out it was the stress hormone response to the shock and pain of the cold plunges. So i won't be doing any more Wimhoff experiments, sorry Joe Rogan.
Was low carb then carnivore 3 yrs, then the wheels fell off. Looking to get my health back, starting a bioenergetic approach.
Same here, many stories like it.
Nobody trying to outdo each other just sharing knowledge which is how things progress🎉❤
The eskimo argument NEVER includes their environment. I failed miserably on the equator on carnivore-trashed my thyroid and liver and almost died from anaphylactic shock from high histamines. I healed everything with the bioenergetic woe. Pemmican is not just meat and fat-it includes dried fruit and maybe nuts.
The berries that natives ate were Saskatoon berries, cranberries, currants and choke berries. These berries are low in sugar, especially at the time. Berries are hybridized to be sweeter and larger.
Alot of times pemmican was just meat and fat. That's it.
@@cornstar1253 It's survival food. You don't resort to that kind of food when there's plenty.
Even populations on the Equator like the African Hadza and Brazilian Piraha tend to eat mostly animal foods such as meat and/or fish. That is because equatorial regions also have seasons where the dry season is equivalent to northern winters.
For example, the Hadza only have access to much fruit and honey during a short wet season of a 2-3 months. And the nutritionist Mary Ruddick has observed that the Hadza don't eat much fruit and honey, no matter if it's available, as they prefer meat.
Well, don't you think I observe what people eat here in ECUADOR? Tons of starch carbs-3 at a normal almuerzo/lunch, with about 3 oz of meat/fish or an egg. Tropical fruit all year that grows in our backyards and they use most of it as juice. Don't you think that after my big carnivore fail I healed with CARBS. our brains steal sugar from our muscles. From Wikipedia:"Genetically, the Hadza are not closely related to any other people." So, all 1300 of them are adapted to their archaic lifestyle as hunters/gatherers. If YOU lived as they do, you'd probably fail on a meat diet.@@MarmaladeINFP
Yes...me too. Horrible. Better now
Great people to get together for a discussion. I think the ray peat ideas have caused a lot of confusion amongst much of the carnivore community of late. And Chaffee certainly represents a very 'purist' view of the carnivore diet, so putting these guys together is very enlightening.
Overall I had the impression Georgi was drawing from a lot of the same research he has cited in other interviews but seemed to draw very different conclusions in this discussion. As one example, see his recent interviews with Dr Mercola over the last few months in which he advocated for an evenly mixed macro ratio of fat and carbs? Completely antithetical to the conclusion he drew in this discussion.
Had he just never been challenged in any logical way on these ideas? I find that very hard to believe with how well researched he is.
Chaffee's first principles approach continues to be the most soundly reasoned perspective on diet for me. Georgi seems to be scrambling together a complicated jigsaw of pathways and mechanisms before even being sure some of the pieces fit, let alone considering there's a giant pile of pieces off to the side that might also be part of the puzzle but we don't even understand yet.
Very much appreciate both these guys for taking the time to discuss these ideas publicly in such a great way though.
Dr. Chaffee follows the science- and you can tell he is physically fit and brain very sharp. Watch his videos- carnivore is a human ancestral way of eating. George is only regurgitating misinformation. The 7th day Adventists christians religion ideology designed our food pyramid and RDA, and all the mess George said. Why- 7th Day Adventists Christians wanted to ruin human hormone health by cutting meats and natural animal fats and add naturally toxic plant based foods. Go watch Belinda Fattke on truth of why the human race continues to escalate in illnesses, disease, and cancers you see today!
Very well put friend.
If you want to talk first principles, I think it’s important to reconsider conclusions he drew in what he thinks is humans natural environment and diet. Why is it he thinks just because humans lived in northern climates for a long time, that means that what we ate and where we lived was most natural? Perhaps in that environment it was just what we needed to survive, but were we thriving to our maximum potential? I would be miserable in conditions like that, eating like that, knowing what it can contrast, but that’s my subjective opinion and experience. When I postulate what Homo sapiens natural diet is, I think of where can he live outside year round without the use of technology, including clothing, weapons and fire. Tropical locations seem much more logical. The weather is the same year round and we can be naked even at night and be comfortable without technology. Our closest animal ancestors live there as well as some of the most intelligent and complex forms of life. Tropical fruits are generally much healthier than say berries and fruit that grow in northern areas, and are high calorie and literally begging to be eaten. They can grow year round. If I was a wild human I would eat until stuffed at a fruit tree. It’s just instinctual. The sweet taste buds are on the tip of our tongue. I myself have eaten 1000-2000 calories from tropical fruit most days for breakfast and or lunch (eaten by itself) since 2010. I keep to 80/10/10 macros and my blood work year after year is excellent. My liver is good, my A1C is 4.7 and blood sugar is in the low 80s. I also look young for my age (35). I try and stay away from oils. I stick to grass fed beef if I eat meat at dinner but I do eat out on occasion too. I never wanted to be orthorexic and like to be flexible but it’s generally fruit for breakfast and lunch. I also allow myself white rice and sweet potato if not enough fruit. I just feel like people need to take into account someone like me who has 13 years of eating a lot of fruit.
@@tropicaoptica Thanks for the thoughtful response.
I completely agree, tropical climates are a much more logical place to live. Chaffee is not indicating that northern climates are our natural environment, he is just pointing out that some populations of humans have survived in very cold climates and the human race as a whole has had to survive through ice ages lasting tens of thousands of years in which to your point, the main or only thing we had access to for long periods of time was meat. The fact that we survived through these extremely harsh conditions with little technology eating a meat based diet simply indicates that we can live healthy and resilient lives by eating that way. Of course different populations have had access to different foods depending on the time period and where they lived. But it seems our best evidence would indicate that the mainstay throughout our evolution has been meat. And theirs examples like the Plains Indians that he mentioned in which even when they had access to other foods, they still only really ate meat.
I do not deny you are probably very healthy and feeling great eating the way you eat. However you are only one person, unless you decided to change and eat a pure carnivore diet for a significant amount of time then you don't really know what the alternative is. Perhaps after 12 months on a carnivore diet you feel even better than you do now? You are also actually an example of the inconsistent conclusions I was pointing out from Georgi. You are getting the overwhelming majority of your calories from carbohydrates meaning you will not be activating the randle cycle to anywhere near the same degree most typical mixed standard diets do. Chaffee and Georgi both acknowledged that a diet such as yours is probably a better way to eat then most standard diets. I just think Chaffee would argue all those carbohydrates are not essential in the human diet, where as the protein and fat is essential. So if eating a mixed macro nutrient diet is going to cause a problem as they both indicated, then it makes more sense to eat fat over carbohydrates.
The attractiveness of fruit certainly is an interesting thing. Ripe fruit of course contains much less toxins than other plants. However it is also the "intention" of a fruiting plant to have the fruit be eaten, while making the seed protected, toxic and difficult to digest, so that the seeds are spread. A sweet fruit is definitely there to be eaten by animals, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's there for humans as some fruits are acutely toxic to us. There is also an interesting argument that the way in which carbohydrates cause more chronic disease may have been an evolutionary adaptation. In that if we temporarily gorged ourselves on tropical fruit in the summer and put on weight that served us well to help survive the winter. That will never be more than theory but it is interesting to think about.
@@tropicaoptica have a chat with Professor Bart Kay on this topic.
Points deducted from Georgi for not having a decent mic, he sounds like he’s talking through a pillow… and he’s hard enough to follow at the best of times
That's a lack of your own intelligence not on Georgi.
@@CK51515His mic is peaking badly.
@@CK51515 It seems like you’re the one with low intelligence here, its understandably that you are a Georgi fan, but going to extreme is not good for your mental health.
It has been pointed out how important visual impressions are. On one hand you have someone who looks unhealthy in a room full of boxes, and on the other you have someone in a normal looking room with better audio and who is physically attractive. Plenty of good points here, and I have been thinking of what my life has been like after decades of eating the meat based diet. What I know from personal experience is that it has been impossible for me to become obese, no matter the volume of food that I eat.
Yep- carnivore diet is perfect!
The old saying the proof is in the pudding !
How someone LOOKS when talking nutrition they are espousing is HUGE
At least he understands veggies are not good :) but sadly dude is uninformed would be good if he could talk with Chaffee and get on a TRUE carnivore diet for the next year and hear what he has to say
I thought I was the only one who had noticed that key detail!
Second glances and a few cat calls I've gotten since losing weight and getting muscular again at my age since going on the Carnivore, "proof is in the pudding" as they say.
I think Rick has the coolest backdrop of all the carnivores 💪🏼
I simply hated it. Dinkov and Chaffee just spew out what they believe but neither address why some people do well on a diet they deem as catastrophic.
57 days Carnivore here and feeling great!!! Blood Sugar completely normalized without Meds. And I'm now off my Blood Pressure Medication with normal readings!!! No more joint pain!! Skin tag vanished! Lots more energy! Increased heat tolerance, so important living in the Sonora Desert! 119° today. Lost 12.5 lbs. Increased strength - I can carry my 100 lbs daughter now, haven't been able to do that since she was about 50-60 lbs. Loving Carnivore!!!
Thanks for your comment I was looking for someone who normalized there BP and dumped the BP meds off of carnivore diet.i am 3 days in hopefully I can get the same results!!
@@JonnyGunz89 I'd asked others early on, and it seemed to take about 3 months on average to normalize BP. For me a little earlier, some a little later. Just a matter of time 😀 I wish you the best!!
@CatholicCarnivoreHousewife thanks!!much appreciated... its only been 3 days for me with fasting one meal a day and I feel pretty good so far.i will keep it up will see how it goes
@@JonnyGunz89make sure you watch the How to Begin Carnivore and What Not to Do on Carnivore, etc videos from Dr Chaffee - he has a lot of great information on his videos - just starting learning, also Dr KenBerry has a lot of good videos on RUclips, too.
Carnivore works until it doesn't, then you'll hit a wall and feel depressed, low energy, low libido, bad moods, poor sleep etc.
Georgi is talking about biochemical processes in an organism, and sometimes as an example he mentions certain chemical or a drug to prove the point, not to promote a drug as many people here think.
He is a supplement salesman what can you say, it's part of his business, but he is still an IT guy, since his supplements business is booming because of youtube he was given a platform to debate with Doctors which is sad for sincere Doctor's like Dr. Chaffee.
Carbs meaning from vegetable and fruit, not crackers- I wish the bio-medical guy had first said that
Great to see a debate with no shouting over each other!
If Dr Chaffee is one of the participants. Never saw him shouting or loud voice in all of his videos.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
What does his exposure have anything to do with winning the debate? @@vidalskyociosen3326
Georgi's traps are massive can we see the rest of his body... im sure he's super jacked..
Very nice guy but sounds like a dealer for the drug companies. . .
Thank you for this discussion. It was so refreshing to see people debate different perspectives and opinions so respectfully. We all benefit when 2 intelligent people can share and listen to one another. I think they both have points. I think they are both knowledgeable. It seems they came to some different conclusions. And of course that's OK. I do not personally feel optimal eating fruit. But some people do. I am so happy they both agree about PUFA and the need for meat.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
You should have put Danny Roddy vs Dr. Anthony Chaffee. Although Georgi has knowledge of the force and is on his journey, Danny Roddy is Luke Skywalker.
Bart kay tore Danny Roddy a new one. His explanation of the Randle cycle was wrong.
@@cornstar1253 where was this?
@@desertboot9755 Danny Roddy cried when he was presented with Bart Kay’s video, at-least that was the rumor, but Bart Kay’s intelligence is undeniable.
@@vidalskyociosen3326lol why would he cry?.. Are we talking about children in a playground?.
10/10 interview. Just wish Georgi's microphone was better. Pretty hard to understand and focus on what he said.
Appreciate it!! Would love a review so we can do more of these debates! ratethispodcast.com/briangryn/itunes
Georgi is talking about taking pills and drugs and that sugar isn't that bad and Anthony is promoting a diet for health. Kinda shows too.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 Georgi is motivated by truth as well. Making the assumption that because he sells supplements he must have no interest in truth that wouldn't benefit business is very cynical for one, but also bordering on ad hominem territory.
@@alistairproductions If his truth is being overweight. No, Thank you.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 weight isn't everything. The medical system prioritizes it because it's easy to stick people on a scale and measure it
@@alistairproductions Having a high blood sugar and relying on medication and supplementation daily, still no thank you.
Fruit also a very good food, especially if it grown clean and ripe.Milk, meat and eggs definitely good food as well.
First of all. Which doctor would you wanna look like? Which one do you think is healthier? Based on that who will you take advice from?
Perfect question. OMara, Baker, Chaffee
The one with good skeletal muscles & without inflammation of course.
The one with the neck lol
I heard calorie restriction makes you live longer from Georgi. In lab mice, that's the data. Also, you feel like crap, no energy to do anything , etc. Sorry. Not trying to live forever. Want to feel good while alive instead. I see plenty of bedridden sick people who live 20+ years like that.
Don’t get me wrong, this vid is misleading with the title. It was more of a “friendly debate” rather than one party bashing the other. Both were very professional and non confrontational as they did agree upon many topics. I would like to see more of these types of layouts where it’s constructive and not subjective.
I'm doing what's recommended, but still no belly fat loss. My doctor says it's due to cortisol, so what's the best way to lower it without taking drugs?
Water fasting
Eat less / move more. Focus on building muscle while at it
Eat carbs...100 a day...and lean meats, organic fruits....exercise...
The only one thing I am missing in this very interesting discussion is just a clarification about omega 3 fatty acids, which are also PUFAs. If I guess, that they are actually healthy as opposed to omega 6 fatty acids am I wrong?
PUFA is very old news for health that's its very rarely discuss, but Georgi use PUFA over over and over again for his supplement and medication business.
Omega 3's are actually worse because they are more unstable.
Yeah I’ve tried the “steady supply of sugar all day” with very low fat, 10-15g a day, and I just got puffy, gassy, and broke out with acne. And the undesirable GI state made me want to workout less. Because no one wants to workout all bloated and farty!💨gross. Carnivore diet ensures little to zero gas, no GI bloat and quiet seemless digestion.
I never understood the argument of there not being anything to eat in an ice age other than meat. Ice ages are characterized by cooler temps around certain parts of the globe... not a perma-frosted earth. Even if an ice covered earth were true, humans wouldn't have been able to eat animals either because those animals rely on vegetation for food themselves.
Wut? You're not making any sense. Animals do indeed survive in very cold conditions, too cold for agriculture. We see that on the steppes of various parts of the world where local natives live off the animals even today.
Wooly mammoths did live in these cold parts didn't they? Don't we call them "wooly" because of that? They survived in extreme cold in ice ages. So these big beasts would have been on the menu at least. If that herbivore found enough to sustain itself perhaps some others did too
@@bigglyguy8429 Of course they survive in the cold and will eat bark and pine needles etc during winter instead of grass, but it's not cold and ice covered year round, and if it became so cold as to permafrost everything, the animals would migrate. So wouldn't the people use meat maybe exclusively for that period of time only, and go back to an omnivorous diet when the snow melts?
@@ry3713 Or follow the herds and eat meat. We CAN eat plants if we really have to, but it's obvious they are not optimal for us.
@@bigglyguy8429 Agreed. I'd rather eat meat also, I just find the whole "our ancestors" thing a bit flawed, as we can't even agree on what happened 100 years ago let alone hundreds of thousands.
Carnivore diet cured so much for me!
* No more perimenopause- completely reversed!
*Period cycles all timed perfect with 4 week intervals.And no PMS symptoms, but only the actual menstrual cycle itself!
*No more night sweats
*No more waking every 2 hours at night!
*It used to take me 20 minutes or longer to fall asleep at night when I would first go to bed at night- before carnivore. Now it takes like a minute or less. Haven’t noticed since I am out fast!
*No more life long eczema
*No more cold hands
*No more cold body temp in general! Used to feel like a reptile - only warm in texas sun.
*No more IBS symptoms (gas, bloating, stomach pain, constipation, diarrhea)
*No more feeling low energy by 12pm and zombie by 4pm
*No more purple looking hands in winter
*No more brain fog
*No more arthritis that I felt in hands, knees, and hips- or elbows
*used to have sore hips when sleeping on my side. No more!
*Lost 45+ pounds from former baby weight and peri menopause weight.
*Always had 20/20 vision with slight stigmatism- but in March doctor said my stigmatism is reversing!
*Don’t sunburn as easily anymore and tan well.
*Wrinkles around eyes seem to be much less. I am 46 and look like I am in early 30’s.
*Gums look super healthy. Dentist seems irritated as my teeth are not dirty when cleaning every six months. Think they know they won’t make money off me.
*No more sore chest from monthly periods- no swelling feeling of fullness or discomfort that prevented me from sleeping on my stomach. Now I sleep every night on my stomach!
*Fibrocystic Breast issues reversing! Almost all gone after 6 years of buildup!
*no cravings unless they are for meat
*no more angina symptoms before a period- which started about 3 years ago.
*No more feeling weak like almost passing out and dizzy around ovulation and periods
* no more fingers swelling- that started a few years ago- rings kept being tight- is pattern I noticed. One ring I had resized larger and it’s super loose now. Will have to resize smaller.
*feel stronger- now lifting barbells not just hands weights. Dr. Baker said since I am 46, and 5’7” at 122lbs- need more resistance training to add more muscle weight. . So bought a 47lb barbell off Amazon and have 40 extra pounds added to it. Will continue to progress with that.
* i had started growing grey hairs in one of my eyebrows, few hairs at a time, but no grey in my blonde hair yet - but assumed it was coming before Carnivore. Now on carnivore I have had no new grey hairs growing in eye brows and still no grey hair in my natural blonde hair. And in the sun it gets super light highlights.
* no more body odor!
* I used to get a little anxiety with large crowds- like if attending special events- but since on carnivore I don’t get it that much.
*I was a bit OCD before carnivore, but so much more relaxed so barely like that.
* I was a relaxed person before, but somehow am even more relaxed and never stress about things.
*Since I was a young child my sense of smell has been terrible. But not even a month in on carnivore my sense of smell has gone crazy! I smell things even far away! Amazing!
*no more allergies! I was allergic to cedar and oak pollens- and mold- but since carnivore I am no longer reacting to those outdoor pollens which is amazing!
* I have had no more issues from ear wax build up. Had it twice after having kids and docs would say it was a hormonal problem. Carnivore cured that too!
If I think of anything else will add. ☺️👍🏻
I know when people go on carnivore they are trying to heal something, but if they aren’t like me and notice small things- they may not notice they are healing way more than they realized- things plant foods were causing! And they need to remember, processed foods are made from plants- but so are whole foods (raw or cooked!) they are all toxic!
The carnivore diet cures! ☺️👌🏻 The body is a network made of multiple gears- and if one gets messed up it causes a whole domino affect of problems like I had! The carnivore lifestyle is not a fad, it’s the ancestral human way of eating! Go Carnivore for a few months and see how you feel! ☺️👍🏻
Congratulations.
But what in the world were you eating prior to carnivore? Do you drink coffee?
Thanks Jennifer for your sharing. 🌹
It was the fasting that worked not Carnivore
@@KenWang2 lol., I call that denial. Like.. sticking your fingers in your ears, and singing to avoid hearing what you dont like:P
Yes, fasting is good, but it doesnt jelp long term if you eat crap inbetween fasting sessions. And you cant just fast.. that would kill you over time.
@@KenWang2 i didn’t just not eat anything between fasting times! I ate beef, eggs, and just drank water! So carnivore did heal it. I didn’t really fast- I was just not always hungry because meat is nutrient dense and the body is happy and stays full absorbing it all. Carnivore is what healed me, not fasting.
Be specific on your carbohydrates, doctor. Fruit and green veg are 2 different things. You are “lumping”. A common method to hide what’s really going on.
Thinking that scurvy is actually problem on carnivore, or waste will sit there and putrify are pretty fundamental errors. Also that meat without carbs will make too much gluconeogenisis, forgetting that you could ensure sufficient fat
@@bomberman21321 please enlighten me about which of the three points you are referring to?
@@markmacdonald1849 I think I misunderstood you. You are debunking the notions. My mistake.
Georgi completely misunderstands the glycerol fatty acid cycle. The entire point of it is the body is locking out glucose in order to protect the cell from glycated damage. He understands the mechanism but not its purpose so he says the solution is to block fatty acid absorption to force glucose into the cell when the fact that elevated glucose is the problem! The entire point of it is to protect itself from too much glucose, not to force glucose into the cell through blocking fat. All you will do is accelerate glycative damage to those cells and cause even more inflammation.
Spot on!
Fact is, glucose would not be elevated in the first place, if not for all the fat in the bloodstream.
Well said. Glucose has no place in a proper human diet.
@@tanyasydney2235 Glucose would be elevated if you engorge on it more than you burn it though. Blaming fat for the glucose problems is just ignorant. Sure you can mitigate some of the damage made by glucose by only eating it but if you are one of those who keeps over eating then end of the day it's the same side effect.
what would you expect Georgi is a supplement salesman, that’s his business, medication and supplementation is the way to go for him, but if you want optimum health then Dr. Chaffee is for you. This is a free country choose which one you prefer.
I am not biased at all, lol, but Chaffee kicked ass!
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
@vidalskyociosen3326 Only those with a limited mind would equate monetary gain to winning
@@darkfieldcarnivore3928 Tell that to Dinkov
@@vidalskyociosen3326 Dinkov NEVER promotes his business !!!!! NE VER !!!! Get your facts right before comparing others to …. yourself obviously !!!
Chaffee admitted he craved milk and only stopped it 'cos he got "chubby". Any kind of craving proves without any doubt your diet is not optimal.
Not everybody who eats carnivore is going to look like Anthony Chaffee. Some people just don’t have it in the cards. I haven’t seen Georgi below the shoulders. I have seen men who were very stocky and round faced who were thick in the body but very muscular and not very large in the mid section. So the stocky build is different but not necessarily inferior to someone like Anthony chafee.
Georgi talks in circles and too fast.
Lol people think if they eat carnivore like Dr Chaffer they're going to become more attractive. Yes he's like a traditionally attractive guy but that's more like winning the genetic lottery rather than a result of his diet. He'd look just as good eating like Georgie
When Georgi drink a bottle of coke Thug Life moment in the debate LOL.
I lol at 24:30 when Georgi pulls up his coke and takes a sip 🤣 I am sure its a traditional cola made with organic cane sugar..
Yea, a Mexican coke.
Which is still sugar. Its origin has little interest to the body.
@@andyb190 in the context of a well functioning body where oxidative phosphorilation is not broken, sugar will be metabolised properly and provide energy and activate proper utilization of eletrolytes at the level of the kidneys and so much... sure you dont "need" it but is useful. Some genetics/ broken OXPHOS fat metabolism in many people may actually require glucose in the diet to function properly tho... its not a black and white world ... theirs allot of nuance that must be appreciated in human biology.
@@mineralchief I guess it’s a good excuse for eating sugar
@@mineralchief I guess it’s a good excuse for eating pure sugar,,
I would have liked to hear Georgi’s counter comments on the fructose issue when Dr. Chaffee brought that up. A good amount of Georgi’s position (the bioenergetic/Ray Peat position) is in favor of fructose. Also, grains as a source of dietary starch/glucose aside given their more widely agreed upon associated issues, there was mention of populations that rely on tubers which primarily provide glucose from starch.
However, there was no discussion of the caveats/issues that accompany more ‘ancestrally’ oriented/natural starch sources such as tubers primarily. I.e., things like protease inhibitors, oxalates, lectins, saponins, and the higher fiber vs starch content of wild tubers as well as the toxins in plants overall which would be the source(s) of dietary glucose in the first place.
So there ends up being two metabolically feasible pathways: protein + starch/glucose or protein + fat (mostly saturated and monounsaturated). The former would accompany the issue of the aforementioned plant toxins at very least if deriving the dietary glucose from ‘natural’ unrefined food sources.
The chronic stress issue is a critical confounding variable in dietary success outcomes to consider given how nearly unavoidable that is with modern lifestyles.
They both went on too long without letting the other respond. By the time each one got a turn they'd forgotten what the other said at the beginning of their piece.
@@chriswardle6462 Chaffee did not.. he took notes, so as to remember.
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
@@vidalskyociosen3326 That is not winning, that is being sleecy hypocrite.
@@Goldenhawk583That is his busines, what can I say. ( Dinkov)
Dr. Chaffee is way intelligent and professional, that's why they should not put these 2 together.
this guy is drinking a Coke while arguing about the proper way to eat.!🧐
So what?
Yea why not? A crisp cold coke is delicious!
@@erikhancock98569 empty carbs are especially contraindicated.
@@Hornet135 Why?
@@Hornet135If you can't handle some carbohydrate then something is wrong with your body.
Been carnivore for 7 months now best thing I ever did. There really is no need for anything but. Meat, eggs, Butter, salt, and water..
Why not milk? Because it has evil sugar in it?
@@maximilianmusterhans4659 I love whole unhomogenized milk. Drink about 2 liters a week and a liter of kefir. Both 3.5% milk fat.
@@maximilianmusterhans4659Dr Chaffee and Dr Paul Mason interview, issues that are connected with eating dairy
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
Why do you think you have seen such success on this diet? What were you eating before you made the switch?
Very interesting, i’ve been reading many reviews from ex long term carnivores and keto eaters who have started to feel miserable , and they swear by Ray peat approach, by implementing milk, fruit, sugar in coffee, honey, their life have changed up side down, deep 8h sleep, insane energy etc . Is there a missing link to it 😬
Dr. Chaffee is truly a professional and Honest.
But Georgi will win because the exposure he is getting here is huge help to his supplement business.
He needs all the exposure he can get even drinking coke on podcast and promoting his supplements.
Georgi wins, business is his bottom line.
Sorry for Dr. Chaffee genuinely promoting health for people.
but this is our world.
We won't know who is right until at least decades down the road. What matters most are the long-term results. The advantage to the carnivore diet is that we have populations that have been following carnivore diets for generations. They seem to do fine. But we don't have populations that have done the Ray Peat diet for generations. So, there is no way to do a useful comparison at present.
The maasia drink toms of milk and berries. I know a lady who lived with them. They were getting up to 200 carbs a day.
Wait … I should eat carbs which spike my blood sugar so the protein doesn’t raise my blood sugar? My experience has been when I eat meat with enough fat my blood sugar is very slightly increased in a nice gentle slope.
Yes I couldn’t believe what I was hearing here
When you eat protein without carbs your insulin goes up, but so does your cortisol, in order to prevent your blood sugar from dropping too low. High cortisol is implicated in all chronic diseases. A blood sugar spike from a carb-containing meal that quickly stabilizes may be preferable over what you say happens after your meals.
@@fedegroxowow. More baseless words. Maybe instead of writing your mindless drivel, how about going on a proper human diet (pure carnivore)for a month and reporting back. Ruminant meat and its associated fats, salt and water.
Protein doesn't come to the party alone. The fats deaden the insulin spike, which is incidentally a fraction of the carb spike.
Why would an extreme insulin response be preferred to a minor one and whilst "stabilised" the BS/Insulin levels still stay elevated for many hours.afterwards.
Sorry...but I noticed Georgi is working from a storage closet??
He is a supplement salesman his business is growing like exposure with this interview those boxes sent to his costumers, are like victims if you will, but you can relax and just drink coke like him, your cortisol might rise so relax take his supplements and drink coke.
Looks like Mr. Dinkov prefers correcting every inbalance with a drug (which comes with side effects) instead of adopting a diet which doesn't cause thes inbalances in the first place.
Georgi sucked. He didn't talk all that much about the benefits of carbs and how important they are. He did a poor job putting forward the bioenergetic POV on carbs and sugar.
Georgi: immediately explains the biochemistry
Anthony: “during the ice age…” 🙄