When you mentioned her shrieking fits, her insistance she was damned, and the alternating between these states and near catatonia, I immediately thought "bipolar". It runs in families, can be triggered by stress, and tends to get worse with age. High anxiety is often comorbid, and even during normal periods, the sufferer tends to be emotionally sensitive (not unstable, just feels things strongly). We have this in our family. My sympathies to the poor woman and her family, long dead though they might be.
These time "induced" mental illnesses scare me more than the thought of death.. Right out of high school, I worked in a geropsych unit as a security guard. There was a constant cycle of new patients on holds and for diagnosis.. it broke my heart to see these poor people battling between being completely gone and holding onto bad experiences from their pasts.
@@withgoddess8029 George 3rd is believed to have Porphoria. During his reign the American people told the King to "get stuffed" and the America we have today was born..
I think that is a good possibility, but having worked briefly in psychiatry (switched specialties), it can be tricky. Just like many infectious diseases have similar symptoms (dozens of illnesses with symptoms of fatigue, fever/chills, headache, sore throat, runny nose, maybe a rash, etc), many neuropsych disorders have very similar symptoms as well. Depression/mania could be a number of things, including thyroid disorders or just the extremes of grief after the deaths of her husband and kids, with people trying either to distract themselves frantically with “fun” or secret substance use, or in darkest grieving and it seems she developed dementia later (by her 70s).
@@Itried20takennames Her appearance does not support thyroid issues nor substance use. The relatively late onset is not typical of bipolar disorder. Anyways, the family history is and the loss of her husband must have hurt her a lot. Having worked in psychiatry for 30 years and specialty in severe illnesses, like schizophrenia and bipolar. Had she not been made to marry her uncle, her offspring would have hopefully been stronger and she would have suffered less stressful events.
Portuguese princess were forced to give up their rights to the throne to marry a foreign prince and she couldn't do it as the heiress to the throne, but she couldn't marry anyone that was less than royal, so her uncle was the only groom possible. I wish she had a better life and better help to her distress ... A life of tragedy and misery 🥺 Thank you for honoring her with such great video ❤
That's simply not true! After 1640 the law stipulated that the portuguese kings couldn't become kings of other countries and foreign kings could not become kings of Portugal She could have married anyone if she only wanted!
She was half Spanish so no wonder she went mad, but seriously who knows what they meant by mad. Did this mean that she suffered from clinical depression, bipolar, post-traumatic stress due to the earthquake? Who really knows because with misogyny and the patriarchal system will exaggerate or even outright lie. Maria didn’t marry a cousin she married her father’s brother which is incest. Incest has always been taboo even back then. Yes marrying cousins was normal back then but not uncles and aunts or siblings which happened in Ancient Egyptian Royals and Hawaiian Royalty. In Europe hemophilia is common due to all the inter-marriages.
I think the title of this video, which refers to this woman as "incestuous," could make it sound to some like she was responsible for being incestuous; however, this was not the case, as her marriage to her father's brother was arranged for her.
The title doesn't say "Maria,willingly & desperate to be incestuous".All it says is that she was involved in an incestuous relationship which is a fact.And how do yall know she was "forced"🤔 I can't with modern people constantly victimizing all women automatically with no proof🤦🏿♀️
Very true, but her parents were second cousins and both were descended from the Austrian and Spanish Habsburgs. Maria's paternal grandmother was a Habsburg, Maria Anna of Austria as was her maternal great-great grandmother, Maria Theresa of Spain; Louis XIV's wife. Her uncle and grandfather also had melancholia and sever depression at the end of their lives. She was not incestuous, but her ancestry was; being descended from the Habsburg dynasty certainly didn't help.
Insanity was once kept very secret in families, because no one wanted to marry someone who might taint their children, and it is possible just like other physical conditions. Her father's illness brought on by the earthquake, might have been a foreshadowing. It's not perfect, but we can help people who have mental illness. Through therapy and medication, most live normal lives. I sincerely thank God for our progress
She did suffer many losses. Ruling back then was no picnic as there were constant wars within and outside of one’s own Kingdom. Brilliant work of bringing up the earthquake and the after effects. I’m still trying to wrap my brain around being the mother of your cousin and father of your nephew part! No wonder they all seemed mad, too many bloodlines kept so close!
Portugal held its colonies of Goa, in India, and Guiné, Cape Verde, São Tomé e Príncipe, Angola and Mozambique, these all in Africa, until the second half of the 20th century. In the 19th century, after Portugal being the first nation in the world to abolish slavery, our then king and Maria I eldest grandson, Pedro IV, declared Brasil independent, gave up the Portuguese throne to his daughter, Maria II, and became the emperor of Brasil (where slavery was still allowed like in everywhere else besides Portugal at the time). What most likely drove Maria I to her "madness" were the traumatic losses she endured, especially that of the infante Dom José. She even built a cathedral where she had the Prince's body embalmed and in a display coffin so she could visit him every day. It's still there.
I enjoyed that historical royal piece. A lot of tragedies crippled her, all those babies dying in infancy, and then the inbreeding didn't help. When it was noted and told of her shrieking and crying a lot, your heart really would go out to her. Her father the King being so unsettled by the tsunami, he had to move, struck a chord with me. The big Tsunami that happened Christmas 2004, over in the Indian Ocean, I'll never forget although I live thousands of miles away, I can just imagine the devastation of such a geographical and forceful event. Thank you ☘🧚♂️🇮🇪
@@lorettashepherd. you're ok. When there's an earthquake especially in a sea, a tsunami usually follows. The 2004 tsunami affected Indonesia and other regions nearby, but the earthquake had been in the Indian Ocean. Do you remember that, it was Christmas 2004 I think. A lot of local people and tourists died. Two Irish girls died at the time, on holiday. Richard Attenborough's brother, the actor I think he'd a couple of family members who perished.
@@finolaomurchu8217 thank you. I remember that tsunami from 2004 now that you reminded me but I have forgotten a lot of the facts. Thank you for being so kind. God bless and take care
Maria's life was a fascinating life. That poor woman and what she went through, but the medical, not to mention the mental, help was not available. I don't know as much about the Portuguese Royal as I do Spain and that not very much. I do know of the Habsburgs and their many, many incestuous marriages. I thought of Juana the Mad, older sister of Katarina of Aragon, while watching this. I would like to see a video of Joan of Arc. I have wondered if Joan may have had mental issues as well, possibly, schizophrenia? However, I am not arguing that she did indeed hear angelic voices. There are things that just cannot be explained. Thank you again for your informative and concise historical lesson today.
I've worked with schizophrenics. Here's the problem with Joan being one....She at 16, no education SUCCESSFULLY LED THE FRENCH ARMY against the British. The French soldiers followed her. Now, no army would have followed any of my schizophrenic clients. I don't know what explains her story....But that isn't it.
I wonder when it was definitive and a matter of absolute scientific fact that incest of any kind produces birth defected children. Ancient Egypt’s pharaohs had generation after generation of very ill and defected kids.. In real life, King Tut’s body was an absolute mess. That gold death mask of his is what he WISHED he looked like. Movies always portray him as a good looking warrior type. He absolutely was NOT!…
Thanks for the upload of her Maria's life. I found it very interesting that the Royal court established themselves in Brazil. So sorry for her mental health issues and the unhappiness this caused the queen 👑 of Portugal. Thanks for your excellent production.
As a Portuguese I can say, really good job. On the topic you could make a video about Marquês de Pombal, he is by himself a very interesting figure. Good job 👏
I wish people understood what losing a loved one can do to people. I don't cope with death or loss of any sort very well and I'm not a child of an incestuous relationship. I've tried to hurt myself many times over loss. I've never hurt others though. Violence has never made sense to me but people will say the same about stuff I do. 🤔 I feel for these women of the past. I see at least a little bit of myself in all of them. It's a constant reminder that these pains are nothing new. I'm not alone.
@@Nyctophora Also you have a lot better medical help than these poor people did in the 18th century. It consisted mostly of blood letting and enemas which he,led not at all.
Just ONE day at the Time..Live today and NEVER loose your Inner straing..I lost my Love but Everybody does in some way..That's life..Trust and LOVE your Self..Don't care what others Think.. be crazy it s ok..YOU are Amazing beacuse You are Perfect❤❤❤
Forgotten Lives thank you another interesting video. Incest in royalty isn't something uncommon. But for us thinking about having a relationship with a family member is just stomach churning. 🤢 Could you imagine having to marry an uncle or an aunt to continue the royal succession?
@@msjujuz266 Oh, that's why they would sometimes have incestuous relationships. I guess they would also want to keep the royal bloodline "pure" as well?
I think that Charles II of Spain had bipolar disorder, one of the many maladies from which he suffered and which followed the much tangled Habsburg family lines. I learned from the family genealogist that I am a descendant of that family, too. Actually, the line that runs through the marriage of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. I don't think I should dust off the old tiara (I WISH I had one) right away, as I'm waaaaay down the line of those having a claim to the throne. Cousins Charles and William need not lose any sleep over this little gal! Haha! It's fun to know, though!
I recently viewed a documentary on Queen Maria l, so l was pleased to see you post your coverage on her life. It is understandable she mentally declined after such sadness and perhaps genetics. Interesting she had the same physician as King George lll.
Once again great video forgotten lives. Look forward to these every week. Thankyou, also a great sleep remedy 😴 keep up the great work. It's greatly appreciated I promise you that.
You mentioned something that... Let's put it nicely, teachers avoid the topic altogether at schools in Portugal. To us, she's recalled not as "the mad" that often but as "mother of people", "the pious one". Only recently did they started to mention her mental issues, only briefly,at more advanced levels of History class. I'm 33, and when I went to school there was no mention whatsoever. That's a good reason why I love to watch History material from a foreigner point of view. "History is written by the victorious". But every country has a different perspective on one same event. On one character.
Shame..poor lady. Must have been very difficult for her and those around her to cope with her madness. Very interesting video. Although I've visited Portugal many times I never knew about that part of history.
There is no Madness in grieving for loss of your children and husband. It happened in time cruelty devastating. To love your babies and see them die suffering from smallpox...... To be female Monarch in a Male political battlefield 🤔 To loose her right hand when her husband died. To loose the Priest she atoned her pain to. Mad 😠 No sad and so would we be too
Exactly! She reacted perfectly normally to very sad situations. What do people expect her to do when loosing all these babies, her husband, the priest, and being surrounded by people who not only she couldn't trust but who most likely plotted against her - jump in the air with joy? But you know what it's like nowadays - every normal emotion nis "mental illness"... must worship at the altar of the new religion called "mental illness" and if you refuse, you are "mentally ill"... - now THIS is insanity!
Another excellent episode. Well researched and presented as always (save for the 16th century reference to 7.7 on the Richter scale which was only devised in 1935) 😉.
@@ForgottenLives Excellent job pronouncing multiple languages, you sound FLUENT with correct intonations, etc. German, French, Spanish, etc. Really do sound like a fluent speaker.
Maria I wasn't the first queen regnant of Portugal. Her ancestor, Teresa of Castile, ruled as Countess, and later queen in her own right from 1112-1128.
I adore this Queen Regent Maria 1 of Brazil and 2 of the PT! She knew how to enjoy life in her final moments, even though she didn't have the right mind for it. When she arrived in Brazil, many of her crazy freaks stopped, including her being one of the first people to swim in the beaches of Copacabana and Leblon / waters of Angra dos Reis. And her son, King Dom João 1 of Brazil / 6 of the PT, learned a lot from her, as he was a person who loved to bathe at a time when this was not a common practice! Lol. Other consorts and regents who are also worth knowing are Leopoldina Habsburg, Empress of Brazil, who helped give Brazil its independence, and her mother Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, the last Empress Consort and Regent of the Holy Roman Empire. Their stories are inspiring, go look for them.
True , she might have been a victim of Bipolar Disorder swinging between mania and depression . A pubertal affliction due to hormonal interplay mainly epinephrine , serotonin . The trigger could be genetic as she had mental illness in the family . Normally bipolars don't have impact on longevity and they are intelligent people . But in manic stages they develop the feeling that they are the best and a sense of grandeur and arrogance . This is the time they take sudden ,rash , risky decision and become aggressive , dogmatic , ruthless , for instance ,she removed the competent Minister because she only thought it to be right . Since at that time such illnesses had no medication her mental health declined . There is no cure but there is Lithium Carbonate treatment that one has to have for life . One other thing is bipolar hits during puberty and most turn sexually aggressive so much so that they can have multiple partners as the urge gets unbearably strong as they age . Not sure Maria had gone through this experience but the fact that she was not choosy and married a 42 year old at the age of 25 and produced 7 children of which 4 died is an indication that she had strong urge to mate . Having said that she did not have menstrual cycle disorder with severe cramp developed due to short cycles and resultant primary or secondary amenorrhea is an indication that she was suffering from hypo mania rather than typical bipolar disorder . Interesting life of a Queen never the less largely successful in her governance and as a hypo manic you can still be a competent individual of authority .
I know it was considered normal back then for family members to marry each-other but I have always found it disgusting when much older men marry young girls. I love my uncle, but the thought of marrying him makes me feel sick, so I can't imagine what the poor girls must have felt, especially if they had to travel to a completely different country.
Yes, she was a very distant descendant of Juana. She was descended from the Spanish and Austrian Habsburgs on both her maternal and paternal sides. This is also probably where her mental illness came from, as many of her family members had been inflicted with melancholia and depression. Not to mention that all the inbreeding the kingdoms of the Iberian peninsula and the Habsburg dysnasty did. Maria most likely suffered from depression and schizophrenia or bipolar disorder and eventually dementia.
so much inbreeding how sick They only thought of power and money no wonder they had so many health problems in the royal families love all your video's ❤❤❤
There was a time in wich it was sort of "normal" among the royales to marry cousins, uncles an so on. Just look at Elizabeth 11 and Phillip, his Mother was Victoria's grandaughther and Elizabeth's father was thé grandson of Victoria's also. Im not saying this to be mean towards them.
It may be a surprise to you, but people have a thing called "estimation" in their pocket. As an aside, that Lisbon earthquake is said to have been one of the main incentivization in the creation of the modern science of Seismology.
Not everything is "mental illness" & a lot of brain disorders like Dementia,Sundowners & Alzheimer's start in midlife depending on childhood illnesses such as Scarlet Fever etc🤷🏿♀️
One day you should show up in a ruffled shirt.. powdered wig .. and a mole... I know they are called something else. Yeah.. that would be great 👍.lol. I love your channel. I remember when your first upload came out. Well done. ❤
'Incestuous' would be an intimate relationship with either brothers, sisters, parents, or children! Marrying an uncle is no incest, although we know by now, that too close relationships are not good for one's offspring's health! By the way: queen Victoria married her cousin prince Albert! No incest in sight! But I gather Your intention is putting down
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When you mentioned her shrieking fits, her insistance she was damned, and the alternating between these states and near catatonia, I immediately thought "bipolar". It runs in families, can be triggered by stress, and tends to get worse with age. High anxiety is often comorbid, and even during normal periods, the sufferer tends to be emotionally sensitive (not unstable, just feels things strongly). We have this in our family. My sympathies to the poor woman and her family, long dead though they might be.
These time "induced" mental illnesses scare me more than the thought of death.. Right out of high school, I worked in a geropsych unit as a security guard. There was a constant cycle of new patients on holds and for diagnosis.. it broke my heart to see these poor people battling between being completely gone and holding onto bad experiences from their pasts.
One of the English Georges had porphoria...
@@withgoddess8029 George 3rd is believed to have Porphoria. During his reign the American people told the King to "get stuffed" and the America we have today was born..
I think that is a good possibility, but having worked briefly in psychiatry (switched specialties), it can be tricky. Just like many infectious diseases have similar symptoms (dozens of illnesses with symptoms of fatigue, fever/chills, headache, sore throat, runny nose, maybe a rash, etc), many neuropsych disorders have very similar symptoms as well. Depression/mania could be a number of things, including thyroid disorders or just the extremes of grief after the deaths of her husband and kids, with people trying either to distract themselves frantically with “fun” or secret substance use, or in darkest grieving and it seems she developed dementia later (by her 70s).
@@Itried20takennames Her appearance does not support thyroid issues nor substance use. The relatively late onset is not typical of bipolar disorder. Anyways, the family history is and the loss of her husband must have hurt her a lot. Having worked in psychiatry for 30 years and specialty in severe illnesses, like schizophrenia and bipolar. Had she not been made to marry her uncle, her offspring would have hopefully been stronger and she would have suffered less stressful events.
Portuguese princess were forced to give up their rights to the throne to marry a foreign prince and she couldn't do it as the heiress to the throne, but she couldn't marry anyone that was less than royal, so her uncle was the only groom possible.
I wish she had a better life and better help to her distress ... A life of tragedy and misery 🥺
Thank you for honoring her with such great video ❤
That's simply not true!
After 1640 the law stipulated that the portuguese kings couldn't become kings of other countries and foreign kings could not become kings of Portugal
She could have married anyone if she only wanted!
all Im left wondering is how they survived brazilian and portuguesian heat and humidity in those wigs and dresses
😂😂 👏👏👏👏👏
That’s why she was MAD! 🎉
She was half Spanish so no wonder she went mad, but seriously who knows what they meant by mad. Did this mean that she suffered from clinical depression, bipolar, post-traumatic stress due to the earthquake? Who really knows because with misogyny and the patriarchal system will exaggerate or even outright lie.
Maria didn’t marry a cousin she married her father’s brother which is incest. Incest has always been taboo even back then. Yes marrying cousins was normal back then but not uncles and aunts or siblings which happened in Ancient Egyptian Royals and Hawaiian Royalty. In Europe hemophilia is common due to all the inter-marriages.
Back then obviously beauty was painful, but a must despite...Look at the corsets 🤢
I think the title of this video, which refers to this woman as "incestuous," could make it sound to some like she was responsible for being incestuous; however, this was not the case, as her marriage to her father's brother was arranged for her.
Agreed, this was done to her, not at her behest. She's a victim.
Exactly. It wasn't her doing
The title doesn't say "Maria,willingly & desperate to be incestuous".All it says is that she was involved in an incestuous relationship which is a fact.And how do yall know she was "forced"🤔 I can't with modern people constantly victimizing all women automatically with no proof🤦🏿♀️
Very true, but her parents were second cousins and both were descended from the Austrian and Spanish Habsburgs. Maria's paternal grandmother was a Habsburg, Maria Anna of Austria as was her maternal great-great grandmother, Maria Theresa of Spain; Louis XIV's wife. Her uncle and grandfather also had melancholia and sever depression at the end of their lives. She was not incestuous, but her ancestry was; being descended from the Habsburg dynasty certainly didn't help.
There was incest that created her birth and it was carried on when she married her uncle
Insanity was once kept very secret in families, because no one wanted to marry someone who might taint their children, and it is possible just like other physical conditions. Her father's illness brought on by the earthquake, might have been a foreshadowing. It's not perfect, but we can help people who have mental illness. Through therapy and medication, most live normal lives. I sincerely thank God for our progress
Honestly I think its PTSD. Likely he got trapped and it was traumatic.
Honestly I think its PTSD. Likely he got trapped and it was traumatic.
She did suffer many losses. Ruling back then was no picnic as there were constant wars within and outside of one’s own Kingdom. Brilliant work of bringing up the earthquake and the after effects. I’m still trying to wrap my brain around being the mother of your cousin and father of your nephew part! No wonder they all seemed mad, too many bloodlines kept so close!
Exactly.. so it’s no surprise she went mad
Putting everyones names and dates of life on the screen is so helpful! Thank you, your content is awesome
Idk what prompted all of these videos about Portugal but that's my country, so I'm loving the series!
I came across the queens of portugal and found it very interesting! Glad you are enjoying the videos :)
@@ForgottenLives for the record, I always do!
Same here !!!
If she lived into her 70's in that period of time that was amazing. Its terrible that she lost her grip on reality.
Portugal held its colonies of Goa, in India, and Guiné, Cape Verde, São Tomé e Príncipe, Angola and Mozambique, these all in Africa, until the second half of the 20th century. In the 19th century, after Portugal being the first nation in the world to abolish slavery, our then king and Maria I eldest grandson, Pedro IV, declared Brasil independent, gave up the Portuguese throne to his daughter, Maria II, and became the emperor of Brasil (where slavery was still allowed like in everywhere else besides Portugal at the time). What most likely drove Maria I to her "madness" were the traumatic losses she endured, especially that of the infante Dom José. She even built a cathedral where she had the Prince's body embalmed and in a display coffin so she could visit him every day. It's still there.
I enjoyed that historical royal piece. A lot of tragedies crippled her, all those babies dying in infancy, and then the inbreeding didn't help. When it was noted and told of her shrieking and crying a lot, your heart really would go out to her. Her father the King being so unsettled by the tsunami, he had to move, struck a chord with me. The big Tsunami that happened Christmas 2004, over in the Indian Ocean, I'll never forget although I live thousands of miles away, I can just imagine the devastation of such a geographical and forceful event. Thank you ☘🧚♂️🇮🇪
it was an earthquake not a tsunami
@@lorettashepherd. 2.24 mins in after earthquake a tsunami, aftershock firestorms. Listen again, you had me listening and he definitely said it.
@@finolaomurchu8217 sorry, my bad. I'm hard of hearing and completely missed that. My apologies
@@lorettashepherd. you're ok. When there's an earthquake especially in a sea, a tsunami usually follows. The 2004 tsunami affected Indonesia and other regions nearby, but the earthquake had been in the Indian Ocean. Do you remember that, it was Christmas 2004 I think. A lot of local people and tourists died. Two Irish girls died at the time, on holiday. Richard Attenborough's brother, the actor I think he'd a couple of family members who perished.
@@finolaomurchu8217 thank you. I remember that tsunami from 2004 now that you reminded me but I have forgotten a lot of the facts. Thank you for being so kind. God bless and take care
Maria's life was a fascinating life. That poor woman and what she went through, but the medical, not to mention the mental, help was not available. I don't know as much about the Portuguese Royal as I do Spain and that not very much. I do know of the Habsburgs and their many, many incestuous marriages. I thought of Juana the Mad, older sister of Katarina of Aragon, while watching this. I would like to see a video of Joan of Arc. I have wondered if Joan may have had mental issues as well, possibly, schizophrenia? However, I am not arguing that she did indeed hear angelic voices. There are things that just cannot be explained. Thank you again for your informative and concise historical lesson today.
I've worked with schizophrenics. Here's the problem with Joan being one....She at 16, no education SUCCESSFULLY LED THE FRENCH ARMY against the British. The French soldiers followed her. Now, no army would have followed any of my schizophrenic clients. I don't know what explains her story....But that isn't it.
I've heard of cousins marrying, but uncle's and nieces? In this case...your brothers daughter 🤮😔😥 That's one step closer than cousins even !!!
You think that's bad Egyptian pharoahs would sometimes marry their own daughters and even in some cases their mothers.
Hmm, when I think of a particular uncle of mine who looked a lot like my dad, it's like marrying another version of your father 😳
@@kat8753 oh no! Was this the evolution of marriage?
I think most shocking...The Portuguese people thought it was a good idea...Make sure the Queen does a good job, put her uncle in bed with her. WTF 😥
I wonder when it was definitive and a matter of absolute scientific fact that incest of any kind produces birth defected children. Ancient Egypt’s pharaohs had generation after generation of very ill and defected kids.. In real life, King Tut’s body was an absolute mess. That gold death mask of his is what he WISHED he looked like. Movies always portray him as a good looking warrior type. He absolutely was NOT!…
Thanks for the upload of her Maria's life. I found it very interesting that the Royal court established themselves in Brazil. So sorry for her mental health issues and the unhappiness this caused the queen 👑 of Portugal. Thanks for your excellent production.
Thanks!!
The king sounds completely rational wanting to avoid closed spaces after experiencing a major earthquake.
Love history and how you can bring it to life through your story telling ❤
Thanks for watching 😁
Forgotten Lives, you'll be not Forgotten either! Very appreciated the stories, and your amazing work. Thank you for this awesome video
Glad you enjoyed, thanks :)
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No problem FLives! My pleasure! :)
Thank you for telling us the most amazing stories from the past that would be lost to time . I love listening to you tell these stories of history ! !
Serving the children another history lesson 🥰🌈
Thank you for telling the lesser known stories of history!
Thank you for a great job as always
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Another amazing video from portuguese History. Well done!
Thank you.
Always interesting.
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Thankyou! I love your channel, I love all history and I learn so much via of your channel.
As a Portuguese I can say, really good job. On the topic you could make a video about Marquês de Pombal, he is by himself a very interesting figure. Good job 👏
I miss Lisbon. It's such a gorgeous city.
Love history. Thank you for such interesting videos Cheers Lynne Victoria Australia 🇦🇺🐨👍🏻
I wish people understood what losing a loved one can do to people. I don't cope with death or loss of any sort very well and I'm not a child of an incestuous relationship. I've tried to hurt myself many times over loss. I've never hurt others though. Violence has never made sense to me but people will say the same about stuff I do. 🤔 I feel for these women of the past. I see at least a little bit of myself in all of them. It's a constant reminder that these pains are nothing new. I'm not alone.
I hope you find a better place in your life, it's true that you are not alone, and I wish you health, happiness and peace x
@@Nyctophora Also you have a lot better medical help than these poor people did in the 18th century. It consisted mostly of blood letting and enemas which he,led not at all.
Just ONE day at the Time..Live today and NEVER loose your Inner straing..I lost my Love but Everybody does in some way..That's life..Trust and LOVE your Self..Don't care what others Think.. be crazy it s ok..YOU are Amazing beacuse You are Perfect❤❤❤
Thank you, @Forgotten Lives, for another well-researched and educational presentation. Top-notch as always. Cheers!
Forgotten Lives thank you another interesting video. Incest in royalty isn't something uncommon. But for us thinking about having a relationship with a family member is just stomach churning. 🤢 Could you imagine having to marry an uncle or an aunt to continue the royal succession?
To be fair they didn't realise the serious negative impact this can have on a babies health.
@@msjujuz266 Oh, that's why they would sometimes have incestuous relationships. I guess they would also want to keep the royal bloodline "pure" as well?
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Another awesome vid! Congrats of steadily growing this channel and putting out great content.
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Forgotten Lives always has great content and the narrating is excellent
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I think that Charles II of Spain had bipolar disorder, one of the many maladies from which he suffered and which followed the much tangled Habsburg family lines.
I learned from the family genealogist that I am a descendant of that family, too. Actually, the line that runs through the marriage of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. I don't think I should dust off the old tiara (I WISH I had one) right away, as I'm waaaaay down the line of those having a claim to the throne. Cousins Charles and William need not lose any sleep over this little gal! Haha! It's fun to know, though!
what is it like to be far descendant of royalty? do you guys live normally or do you guys get some money for being a royal descendants?
Your still royalty maybe one day your future children will rule again 😁
It's sad to hear of her life, but I have to worry how other men and women with mental health problems were "dealt" with?
What a thorough report! Thank you!
First time viewer. Really enjoyed this slice of history. Ty
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I'm glad I found your channel! Such interesting people and stories and so well told. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
I recently viewed a documentary on Queen Maria l, so l was pleased to see you post your coverage on her life. It is understandable she mentally declined after such sadness and perhaps genetics. Interesting she had the same physician as King George lll.
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Such an interesting story!
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Brief Case is also a great channel.
Once again great video forgotten lives. Look forward to these every week. Thankyou, also a great sleep remedy 😴 keep up the great work. It's greatly appreciated I promise you that.
Thanks for the support 😊
You mentioned something that... Let's put it nicely, teachers avoid the topic altogether at schools in Portugal. To us, she's recalled not as "the mad" that often but as "mother of people", "the pious one". Only recently did they started to mention her mental issues, only briefly,at more advanced levels of History class. I'm 33, and when I went to school there was no mention whatsoever. That's a good reason why I love to watch History material from a foreigner point of view. "History is written by the victorious". But every country has a different perspective on one same event. On one character.
Please do about Empresa Leopoldina of Brazil❤️❤️
Will look into her!
Thanks!
Interesting and insightful video, thank you🌹
Shame..poor lady. Must have been very difficult for her and those around her to cope with her madness. Very interesting video. Although I've visited Portugal many times I never knew about that part of history.
There is no Madness in grieving for loss of your children and husband.
It happened in time cruelty devastating.
To love your babies and see them die suffering from smallpox......
To be female Monarch in a Male political battlefield 🤔
To loose her right hand when her husband died.
To loose the Priest she atoned her pain to.
Mad 😠
No
sad and so would we be too
Exactly! She reacted perfectly normally to very sad situations. What do people expect her to do when loosing all these babies, her husband, the priest, and being surrounded by people who not only she couldn't trust but who most likely plotted against her - jump in the air with joy?
But you know what it's like nowadays - every normal emotion nis "mental illness"... must worship at the altar of the new religion called "mental illness" and if you refuse, you are "mentally ill"... - now THIS is insanity!
It is kind of crazy that the only "viable" solution found at the time was to marry a young woman to her uncle.
Another excellent episode. Well researched and presented as always (save for the 16th century reference to 7.7 on the Richter scale which was only devised in 1935) 😉.
Glad you enjoyed! The 7.7 or greater is what modern eismologists estimate it to have been :)
Very good as usual
Thanks 👊
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Hi. What is your original language? You sure are good at pronouncing multiple languages! Great job!
Thanks! English and Spanish :)
@@ForgottenLives Excellent job pronouncing multiple languages, you sound FLUENT with correct intonations, etc. German, French, Spanish, etc. Really do sound like a fluent speaker.
@Ms Bliss Get out more. Good grief
@Nao Nyaru Lots of things to consider in deed. But that was a good try.
The announcer looks like my oldest son. Its amazing.
Does anyone know what is that beautiful music they always play in the background in these videos?
Thank you.
Than you.
She lost almost all her kids she can go mad
Maria I wasn't the first queen regnant of Portugal. Her ancestor, Teresa of Castile, ruled as Countess, and later queen in her own right from 1112-1128.
Fascinating
I adore this Queen Regent Maria 1 of Brazil and 2 of the PT! She knew how to enjoy life in her final moments, even though she didn't have the right mind for it. When she arrived in Brazil, many of her crazy freaks stopped, including her being one of the first people to swim in the beaches of Copacabana and Leblon / waters of Angra dos Reis. And her son, King Dom João 1 of Brazil / 6 of the PT, learned a lot from her, as he was a person who loved to bathe at a time when this was not a common practice! Lol. Other consorts and regents who are also worth knowing are Leopoldina Habsburg, Empress of Brazil, who helped give Brazil its independence, and her mother Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Two Sicilies, the last Empress Consort and Regent of the Holy Roman Empire. Their stories are inspiring, go look for them.
I'M STILL DANCING ❤️👍👍
Ever since MatPat mentioned her, I’ve wanted to know more.
Any chance of you having a look at Percy Harrison Fawcett, an English explorer in South America, please.
Her full name is Maria Francisca Isabel Josefa Antonia Gertrudes Rita Joana
Time for a bedtime story
Its unfortunate that she wasn't stable enough to accept the honor of being Queen of Brazil
True , she might have been a victim of Bipolar Disorder swinging between mania and depression . A pubertal affliction due to hormonal interplay mainly epinephrine , serotonin . The trigger could be genetic as she had mental illness in the family . Normally bipolars don't have impact on longevity and they are intelligent people . But in manic stages they develop the feeling that they are the best and a sense of grandeur and arrogance . This is the time they take sudden ,rash , risky decision and become aggressive , dogmatic , ruthless , for instance ,she removed the competent Minister because she only thought it to be right . Since at that time such illnesses had no medication her mental health declined . There is no cure but there is Lithium Carbonate treatment that one has to have for life . One other thing is bipolar hits during puberty and most turn sexually aggressive so much so that they can have multiple partners as the urge gets unbearably strong as they age . Not sure Maria had gone through this experience but the fact that she was not choosy and married a 42 year old at the age of 25 and produced 7 children of which 4 died is an indication that she had strong urge to mate . Having said that she did not have menstrual cycle disorder with severe cramp developed due to short cycles and resultant primary or secondary amenorrhea is an indication that she was suffering from hypo mania rather than typical bipolar disorder .
Interesting life of a Queen never the less largely successful in her governance and as a hypo manic you can still be a competent individual of authority .
How do we know how big the earthquake was on the rictor (no idea how to spell) scale.
I know it was considered normal back then for family members to marry each-other but I have always found it disgusting when much older men marry young girls. I love my uncle, but the thought of marrying him makes me feel sick, so I can't imagine what the poor girls must have felt, especially if they had to travel to a completely different country.
Any reation to Joanna the Mad of spain?
Yes, she was a very distant descendant of Juana. She was descended from the Spanish and Austrian Habsburgs on both her maternal and paternal sides. This is also probably where her mental illness came from, as many of her family members had been inflicted with melancholia and depression. Not to mention that all the inbreeding the kingdoms of the Iberian peninsula and the Habsburg dysnasty did. Maria most likely suffered from depression and schizophrenia or bipolar disorder and eventually dementia.
hi, do you happen to be Portuguese? you have an interestingly good Portuguese and English accent...
Uncle and niece marrying is a no no. It's a wonder they had normal kids. Very wrong.
so much inbreeding how sick
They only thought of power and money no wonder they had so many health problems in the royal families
love all your video's ❤❤❤
Her mother was Mariana Victoria of Spain.
I have never seen portraits of the aristocracy with buck teeth.
There was a time in wich it was sort of "normal" among the royales to marry cousins, uncles an so on. Just look at Elizabeth 11 and Phillip, his Mother was Victoria's grandaughther and Elizabeth's father was thé grandson of Victoria's also. Im not saying this to be mean towards them.
The day of the earthquake was the day that Marie Antionette was born dark irony there
o oreias era um camelo com 2 bossas e muito pelo.
In 1646, King John IV offered the crown to the Virgin Mary. Our Lady of Conception is our monarch.
180 years before the Richter scale was invented they had an approximate RS measurement?
It may be a surprise to you, but people have a thing called "estimation" in their pocket.
As an aside, that Lisbon earthquake is said to have been one of the main incentivization in the creation of the modern science of Seismology.
I've been curious about this since I watched dragrace espana lol
Poor girl why would they make her marry her own uncle? Wtf 🤮🤮🤮😳
Not everything is "mental illness" & a lot of brain disorders like Dementia,Sundowners & Alzheimer's start in midlife depending on childhood illnesses such as Scarlet Fever etc🤷🏿♀️
It's not as if she had ANY choice in who she married. Those things were decided by the men in her life.
She was depressed beyond understanding and they toke advantage of that since she is a woman and that was it
Her kids would also inherit madness from both sides it was better to marry in other family.
Reminds me of House of the Dragon
"Marquis"- (Mar-Key). Please use proper English.
One day you should show up in a ruffled shirt.. powdered wig .. and a mole... I know they are called something else. Yeah.. that would be great 👍.lol. I love your channel. I remember when your first upload came out. Well done. ❤
Live expectancy was low back then
Everyone married young
That's because we are not to go royal with kings queens and such.since Christians and such say they're getting picked on
'Incestuous' would be an intimate relationship with either brothers, sisters, parents, or children!
Marrying an uncle is no incest, although we know by now, that too close relationships are not good for one's offspring's health!
By the way: queen Victoria married her cousin prince Albert! No incest in sight!
But I gather Your intention is putting down