The fact from the very start of the chapter Sinclaire already started showing signs of anxiety and fear of Kromer being in the area speaks volumes to how much the events Kromer played stuck with him to a near phobia degree. I know the realm of PM has kinda desensitized us to the horrors that mankind can make but it's still interesting to see how many different flavors of low, low can get or be.
In Limbus's trailer, Demian's actually right in front of all those people highlighted in blue (including a scythe wielding individual), so affiliated people are probably going to start popping up in other stories
@@kerokou1956Probably not as this Blue Group seems to be on our side... at least Demian is, so as long as Sinclair is with us, we'll definitely be on Demian's good side.
And considering how the silent girl was in library of ruina, we might also end up with some of the beta, legacy and cut abnormalities coming back alongside ones that possess intelligent. I could honestly see some dungeons where you have to gain the trust of abnormalities in order to get to a powerful ego gift or bypass a difficult fight.
The possibility that Kromer is around Sinclair’s age is actually driving me up a fucking wall I genuinely thought Kromer was a grown ass adult in her 30s bullying a mentally disturbed teenager
Honestly as it seems like she already had some of the Inquisitors with her I have no clue if she’s his age or if she just infiltrated his school to get knowledge of his basement. Idk how much time passed from Sinclair’s life falling apart to present day either
@@BurningTNT Its been about 3-5 years given some of the lore around fixers. If sinclair was supposed to get a prosthetic when he turned 18, and someone isnt allowed to become a fixer until they are 21, its pretty safe to say that sinclair had some amount of time in the backstreets(or at least using his familys money as it wasnt going anywhere else) before ending up in the bus.
Our boy Sinclair has some luck pulling very... strange people to be interested in him. First, a crazy girl that nails people for fun, second, a cryptic boy that speaks in riddles. Edit: of the two, Demian is definitely a better choice. Sure, cryptic and a potential stalker, but at least he won't commit genocide (probably)
Well, as much as i agree that Sinclair definitely was not the smartest kid in the family Given that Kromer was already interested in their family's basement and definitely knew something about what was going on underneath His agreement or disagreement did not decide anything, they would come sooner or later, all he could do was delay the inevitable He was that "nice guy" , and his period of teenage rebellion definitely fell on the wrong day At least he survived, so The City Dating Sim Good Ending №1
Well, you have to remember, this is in a Nest. Sinclair is extremely sheltered by the City's standards. The fact that this is happening at all openly inside a Nest just proves how things have gone to shit in the City.
Yeah, definitely not smart, but if he hadn't allowed Kromer into his basement he would have also been murdered in the attack and Kromer might not have ever seen the vision of Sinclair as The One who Shall Grip. After all, a world where Sinclair didn't give Kromer access to his basement himself would mean that Sinclair isn't disgusted by prosthetics.
Tsunul: Maybe Vergil can teach him something? Leviathan readers: Ouch. Should we tell him? On another note, Rodion somewhat became his mother/big sister figure over time. It's not perfect but it's something. And I agree with your point on Demian. There's something about him that feels off, and not in a good way.
I have read Demian the book recently and it is good to see that in pm universe there is enough paralelity that you can see this is sinclair(especially some dialogues and events directly from the book) from the book and enough difference that he fits the universe and deviates from the book to tell a unique story they are fucking genius
"This is fine." That's what I constantly tell myself, while dealing with Project Moon. This. Is. Fine. Tragedies happen'. People die. Scars are born. Just another day in The City.
I wanna see someone coming in to explain that this is literally how N Corp does business like the Warp Trains driving people insane for millennia. I won't be surprised that these guys are high on canned experience too.
Man this level had me concerned because of the "Everything There" of N Corp Knights sounding like a Nothing there, and the setting of the last fight being Mountain of bodies, (thinks of Mountain of Smiling bodies) And now i get why Sinclair was scared, he might have seen Nothing there in the basement-
Maybe N Corp was actually saving humanity. The prostetic is clearly abnormality and it spreads like wildfire. Kromer&Co. just tried to stop the spreading with only way they can think off. The ref. book of Sinclair also told us that we shouldn't judge things by whether it's good or evil. Maybe N Corp just did what had to be done.
It is most likely referencing Nothing There since it also tried to become a representation of humanity, which is what Kromer is trying to do here by collecting all the fleshy human bits and rejected mechanical augments. Also it’s because abnormalities in nature are a symbolism (collective human mind of an idea materialized) of events that happens in the past present and/or future. Not really sure if what Sinclair seen in the basement is Nothing There though
he might have seen [CENSORED]'s actual form since the symptoms of seeing it fit with what he has (never truly being able to forget, sheer horror, etc.)
There's a few people who have noticed some similarities between Demian and Enoch, which is why you might have thought he was familiar. I am not sure how I feel about the theory that they are the same person somehow, but a few of the lines that Demian says during the flashbacks are almost identical to some of the ones that Enoch says to Lisa in the Lobomoty Corporation flashbacks. The lines being the same holds up in multiple languages too, so it's obviously intentional. No idea what conclusions we are supposed to draw from this for now though, he's the most interesting character to me by far. It was also interesting to watch you play through chapter 2, because some of the stuff that Sonya says to Rodya about some of the sinners having "the mark" and a child visiting them soon suddenly made a lot more sense.
My first thought was the Library but I think it’s actually because of the Light somehow, maybe because Carmen felt guilty enough to continue Enoch’s existence in some way. Although this flashback could be before white nights dark days and I’m completely wrong.
I have the sneaking suspicion that there are multiple individuals similar to Demian's/Enoch's personality with the mark, not that they are the same or a reincarnation situation
Sinclair's Prudence stat as a kid was like 10 or lower, our nuggests were at least adults, and most were likely backstreets redsidendents they have seen some shit already before working for L corp, Sinclair is like a highschool student from the nest, no wonder he probs got a "NERVOUS!" or worse form a Zayin. He's that first day on the job nugget who needs to cuddle this therapy skull before he's ready to move on to anything else.
At least the one lesson Sinclair should have taken from all of this is to stay away from crazy. You know, except for the crazies he has to share a bus with.
At this point we all think Sinclair has a Yandere religious girl that will stop at nothing to make Sinclair hers. Both physical and mentally. Also in bed too.
What many people mistakenly don't realise, is that by defeating Kromer, we haven't defeted the N Corp. The N Corp is damn corporation with it's own singularity, and we still don't know much about it. But "The one Who Grips" wasn't the leader of this cult, but rather, she was just someone who massively helped them out, with providing them to the golden bough. There are still many questions left unanswered i feel like. All of that was also just a small section of all the N Corp's influence.
@@Disorder2312 Mersault discussed it in earlier chapters. Though it seems N Corp always had an anti-prosthesis stance. Hammer and Nail cult takes it to the very extremes.
Halfway thru the video but. If i invited someone to my basement and then they lend ME thru unknown air vents in MY basement , I'd have to assume they'll kill me.
Fun fact: Sinclair's totally gay for Demian in the book but because he had a conservative upbringing he decided he had a crush on Demian's mom instead. Meanwhile this dude literally dreams of Demian constantly and also Demian literally kisses Sinclair on the lips at some point in the book. All of this to say, being gay wouldn't prevent the deaths of his family cus he already was, not being homophobic would have prevented the death of his family
There's a little bit of Sinclair in each of us. (On a side note, if his father was such a big deal in the company, why did he choose such wonky prosthetics for himself and his family?)
Function over form I suspect. The reasons given for why we’d replace the full body forget some basic things like that not needing to sleep creates a whole new joyous world of overworking yourself or that it’s kinda useful how minor injuries fix themselves even if slowly. When the drive is efficiency I wouldn’t be surprised if the belief that this technology would be revolutionary and see mass adoption made him forget about the uncanny valley and just generally the way people respond socially rather than logically If you think you’re going to change the world it’s easy to forget the emotional responses that don’t match your own
While I'm not 100% sure about this I think this was explained in Library of Ruina that the Head forbids humanoid prosthetics. Like the Gaze Office (from LoR) also has pretty wonky prosthetic heads as well! EDIT: I tried looking this up and found a Steam community guide on the entire lore of LoR. From what it says, "...the Head [established] the Artificial Intelligence Ethics Amendment Act, which stated that no machine or AI would have any resemblance to humans, including full-body mechanical replacements." So yeah! The reason why the prosthetics look kind of wonky/inhuman is because they aren't allowed. (For more info you could look up "Library of Ruina Hook Office Scene 1" and skip to the post-battle dialogue)
@@elmernic oh shit yeah that does apply here. That’s a wild rule to have because it basically encourages that uncanny valley effect/cold distance that Sinclair felt, which formed the root of so many of his poor choices. It honestly feels like a deliberate choice by the Head to make life worse for anyone who gets/needs a full body replacement
Am I the only one who see Kromer and Nail&Hammer as Hero of the story? The Prostetics in this game is a fucking Phyrexian's All-will-be-one Metal-replace-flesh style which also changed their personalities. And people think it's normal and it's even popular. I believe the factory is a huge abnormality that Nail&Hammer tries to defeat in order to save humanity. Also from the book "Demian" told us to not judge by good or evil. From Sinclair's view, Kromer is evil. But what's if he's wrong?
I wouldnt said Kromer is a hero but i do see where their vision come from. I understand using prostetic for missing limb but replacing your body for prostetic simply becausr it was conveniant oh hell nah
Fun fact: Because of his whistle PTSD, Sinclair loses sanity every time he hears Kromer's whistle sound effect that plays in some Chapter 3 stages
I noticed it only when he Impending Doomed the whole party
@@tbopetc4390oh shit.
"Sinclair, have you heard about the hit game Among Us? Sinclair we have to vent, it may seem a bit sus but trust me." -Kromer
"are you the impostor, kromer?"
"No"
"If he was playing a dating sim, he'd still end up with zero b"
And i took that personally because that actually happened to me once...
The fact from the very start of the chapter Sinclaire already started showing signs of anxiety and fear of Kromer being in the area speaks volumes to how much the events Kromer played stuck with him to a near phobia degree.
I know the realm of PM has kinda desensitized us to the horrors that mankind can make but it's still interesting to see how many different flavors of low, low can get or be.
It was pretty new seeing someone go into full on panic and breaking down at just a few words.
In Limbus's trailer, Demian's actually right in front of all those people highlighted in blue (including a scythe wielding individual), so affiliated people are probably going to start popping up in other stories
They also have this strange blue hue associated with them. Let’s hope it’s not blue reverb 2.0
@@kerokou1956Probably not as this Blue Group seems to be on our side... at least Demian is, so as long as Sinclair is with us, we'll definitely be on Demian's good side.
And considering how the silent girl was in library of ruina, we might also end up with some of the beta, legacy and cut abnormalities coming back alongside ones that possess intelligent. I could honestly see some dungeons where you have to gain the trust of abnormalities in order to get to a powerful ego gift or bypass a difficult fight.
Dongrang..sob
The possibility that Kromer is around Sinclair’s age is actually driving me up a fucking wall
I genuinely thought Kromer was a grown ass adult in her 30s bullying a mentally disturbed teenager
Honestly as it seems like she already had some of the Inquisitors with her I have no clue if she’s his age or if she just infiltrated his school to get knowledge of his basement. Idk how much time passed from Sinclair’s life falling apart to present day either
@@BurningTNT Its been about 3-5 years given some of the lore around fixers. If sinclair was supposed to get a prosthetic when he turned 18, and someone isnt allowed to become a fixer until they are 21, its pretty safe to say that sinclair had some amount of time in the backstreets(or at least using his familys money as it wasnt going anywhere else) before ending up in the bus.
@@Captain.Mystic the minimum age to become a fixer is 20, not 21
@@MALware7170 So Yuri is over 20 year olds
If that was the case, everyone would call ther Gromer.
9:56 Ma boy Sinclair really do be speedrunning the bad ending.
Our boy Sinclair has some luck pulling very... strange people to be interested in him. First, a crazy girl that nails people for fun, second, a cryptic boy that speaks in riddles.
Edit: of the two, Demian is definitely a better choice. Sure, cryptic and a potential stalker, but at least he won't commit genocide (probably)
When you talked about the crazy lady who nails people for fun i immiedietly thought of Don for some reason.
@@bleflar9183At least Don does it for justice. I don't think Kromer has any good excuses
My personal theory is that Demian is Dante. But of course it's just a theory.
@@manhphuc4335 A Game Theory!
At least his luck is not as good as Dunte, look he has 13 of them
the only person who teach sinclair how to be confident is either rodion or the mariachis
That's why Mariachi Identity should be canon
Well, as much as i agree that Sinclair definitely was not the smartest kid in the family
Given that Kromer was already interested in their family's basement and definitely knew something about what was going on underneath
His agreement or disagreement did not decide anything, they would come sooner or later, all he could do was delay the inevitable
He was that "nice guy" , and his period of teenage rebellion definitely fell on the wrong day
At least he survived, so
The City Dating Sim
Good Ending №1
Well, you have to remember, this is in a Nest. Sinclair is extremely sheltered by the City's standards. The fact that this is happening at all openly inside a Nest just proves how things have gone to shit in the City.
Yeah, definitely not smart, but if he hadn't allowed Kromer into his basement he would have also been murdered in the attack and Kromer might not have ever seen the vision of Sinclair as The One who Shall Grip. After all, a world where Sinclair didn't give Kromer access to his basement himself would mean that Sinclair isn't disgusted by prosthetics.
The ego gift that you get for Sinclair thru out the dungeon is the same mark on Damien’s forehead. Also Sinclair needs some headpats Rodian and Gregor
Rodya and Gregor need to adopt this poor lad.
@@Arkar-pl9ku and they should marry each other UwU
@@LTDLetsPlays considering how things go in the City - something is bound to go wrong sooner or later.
@@ИгошинНикита sadly yeah
@@ИгошинНикита Good thing they can't die then
Tsunul: Maybe Vergil can teach him something?
Leviathan readers: Ouch. Should we tell him?
On another note, Rodion somewhat became his mother/big sister figure over time. It's not perfect but it's something.
And I agree with your point on Demian. There's something about him that feels off, and not in a good way.
wait what happened?
@@RandomGuy-bu5pn read project moon manga there is a story about vergil.
@@RandomGuy-bu5pn Let's just say that Vergilius used to be a whole lot less dead inside.
@@RandomGuy-bu5pnUntil Vergil got the Roland Treatment
fun fact: the mark on demians head is the mark of cain!
Oh, that's bad
The kussy got him acting unwise
I have read Demian the book recently and it is good to see that in pm universe there is enough paralelity that you can see this is sinclair(especially some dialogues and events directly from the book) from the book and enough difference that he fits the universe and deviates from the book to tell a unique story they are fucking genius
Right?!
PM are amazing book nerds.
@@CBRN-115idfk why people say we can't read
@@thegoldenraysoftheglorious1180say that to my bitch ass when fighting any of the RR2 boss
But you gotta admit, Kromer was gripping hard!
"This is fine."
That's what I constantly tell myself, while dealing with Project Moon.
This. Is. Fine.
Tragedies happen'. People die. Scars are born.
Just another day in The City.
I wanna see someone coming in to explain that this is literally how N Corp does business like the Warp Trains driving people insane for millennia. I won't be surprised that these guys are high on canned experience too.
That's that, this is this
It is what is is. The nature of this cruel world. A place where people are thrown into existence without a purpose, just living on
Man this level had me concerned because of the "Everything There" of N Corp Knights sounding like a Nothing there, and the setting of the last fight being Mountain of bodies, (thinks of Mountain of Smiling bodies)
And now i get why Sinclair was scared,
he might have seen Nothing there in the basement-
Maybe N Corp was actually saving humanity. The prostetic is clearly abnormality and it spreads like wildfire.
Kromer&Co. just tried to stop the spreading with only way they can think off.
The ref. book of Sinclair also told us that we shouldn't judge things by whether it's good or evil. Maybe N Corp just did what had to be done.
Cool theory
It is most likely referencing Nothing There since it also tried to become a representation of humanity, which is what Kromer is trying to do here by collecting all the fleshy human bits and rejected mechanical augments. Also it’s because abnormalities in nature are a symbolism (collective human mind of an idea materialized) of events that happens in the past present and/or future. Not really sure if what Sinclair seen in the basement is Nothing There though
It's probably an Aberration of Nothing There; that is to say, a weaker version with a similar form but different characteristics and behaviour
he might have seen [CENSORED]'s actual form since the symptoms of seeing it fit with what he has (never truly being able to forget, sheer horror, etc.)
There's a few people who have noticed some similarities between Demian and Enoch, which is why you might have thought he was familiar.
I am not sure how I feel about the theory that they are the same person somehow, but a few of the lines that Demian says during the flashbacks are almost identical to some of the ones that Enoch says to Lisa in the Lobomoty Corporation flashbacks. The lines being the same holds up in multiple languages too, so it's obviously intentional.
No idea what conclusions we are supposed to draw from this for now though, he's the most interesting character to me by far. It was also interesting to watch you play through chapter 2, because some of the stuff that Sonya says to Rodya about some of the sinners having "the mark" and a child visiting them soon suddenly made a lot more sense.
My first thought was the Library but I think it’s actually because of the Light somehow, maybe because Carmen felt guilty enough to continue Enoch’s existence in some way.
Although this flashback could be before white nights dark days and I’m completely wrong.
I have the sneaking suspicion that there are multiple individuals similar to Demian's/Enoch's personality with the mark, not that they are the same or a reincarnation situation
My hopes and dreams are that Demian's group is somehow related to Ayin as ego users
Also if you notice Sinclair is the one to bring up the mark to Sonya when they meet
@@the_fenix_3247 (spoilers) leviathan shows us that Ayin is the main reason people were able to manifest EGO so this could be a possibility
It was worth it.
17:32 "you being gay would prevent deaths of your family" Second time that if someone would be gay it would save lives. *COUGH* AY *COUGH* IN *COUGH*
A thing i noticed about the story order of this game: it’s exactly in the order each sinner was i introduced to us from the beginning
Well, i noticed that as well. It isn't that hard to figure out. The next character we're getting the chapter about is Yi Sang.
@@Disorder2312 yi sang the emo poetry kid, gonna be hilarious
@@pifilixxiv3192uhhhh well....
Sinclair's Prudence stat as a kid was like 10 or lower, our nuggests were at least adults, and most were likely backstreets redsidendents they have seen some shit already before working for L corp, Sinclair is like a highschool student from the nest, no wonder he probs got a "NERVOUS!" or worse form a Zayin. He's that first day on the job nugget who needs to cuddle this therapy skull before he's ready to move on to anything else.
Next time there's a new chapter or event I won't be surprised if the characters I like will die and be a new identity for me to pull
At least the one lesson Sinclair should have taken from all of this is to stay away from crazy. You know, except for the crazies he has to share a bus with.
At this point we all think Sinclair has a Yandere religious girl that will stop at nothing to make Sinclair hers. Both physical and mentally. Also in bed too.
The fact that Kromer at the end there resembles that thing which...
Well, you know, the yandere is not worth it
@@adamxue6096 the gripussy is always worth it
@@XoJIJIoY Ayo what dat Grip do?
god i wish that were me
Kromer is the one after Sinclussy
What many people mistakenly don't realise, is that by defeating Kromer, we haven't defeted the N Corp. The N Corp is damn corporation with it's own singularity, and we still don't know much about it. But "The one Who Grips" wasn't the leader of this cult, but rather, she was just someone who massively helped them out, with providing them to the golden bough. There are still many questions left unanswered i feel like. All of that was also just a small section of all the N Corp's influence.
The inquisitors are just the sub faction of the N corp
@@CBRN-115 How do you know?
@@Disorder2312 Mersault discussed it in earlier chapters. Though it seems N Corp always had an anti-prosthesis stance. Hammer and Nail cult takes it to the very extremes.
Accourding to Kromer there could be multiple the one who grip since she was trying to make Sinclair into one
Looks like Ayin really f***ed up in designing his facilities...
I love how even though his family don't need to eat to survive after having robot parts, they still have family dinner with him
Maybe Hong Lu or Faust can teach Sinclair self-confidence, those two might have a bit too much of it
As long as nothing happens to Sinclair, we’ll be on Demian’s good side
I mean she is the one who grips so it's worth it
Faust loves herself. Perfect role model
Halfway thru the video but. If i invited someone to my basement and then they lend ME thru unknown air vents in MY basement , I'd have to assume they'll kill me.
I was NOT ready for that thumbnail. At ALL.
Fun fact: Sinclair's totally gay for Demian in the book but because he had a conservative upbringing he decided he had a crush on Demian's mom instead. Meanwhile this dude literally dreams of Demian constantly and also Demian literally kisses Sinclair on the lips at some point in the book. All of this to say, being gay wouldn't prevent the deaths of his family cus he already was, not being homophobic would have prevented the death of his family
I love its similarity’s to its book demain counterpart
Demian looks like roland,thats why the eery feeling
Also the kromussy is worth it
Not Roland really, closer to Enoch from back in LobCorp
There's a little bit of Sinclair in each of us.
(On a side note, if his father was such a big deal in the company, why did he choose such wonky prosthetics for himself and his family?)
Function over form I suspect. The reasons given for why we’d replace the full body forget some basic things like that not needing to sleep creates a whole new joyous world of overworking yourself or that it’s kinda useful how minor injuries fix themselves even if slowly. When the drive is efficiency I wouldn’t be surprised if the belief that this technology would be revolutionary and see mass adoption made him forget about the uncanny valley and just generally the way people respond socially rather than logically
If you think you’re going to change the world it’s easy to forget the emotional responses that don’t match your own
While I'm not 100% sure about this I think this was explained in Library of Ruina that the Head forbids humanoid prosthetics. Like the Gaze Office (from LoR) also has pretty wonky prosthetic heads as well!
EDIT: I tried looking this up and found a Steam community guide on the entire lore of LoR. From what it says, "...the Head [established] the Artificial Intelligence Ethics Amendment Act, which stated that no machine or AI would have any resemblance to humans, including full-body mechanical replacements." So yeah! The reason why the prosthetics look kind of wonky/inhuman is because they aren't allowed. (For more info you could look up "Library of Ruina Hook Office Scene 1" and skip to the post-battle dialogue)
@@elmernic Yeah, it was. I just ment that there were a lot of more appealing prosthetic head choices in LoR like the gaze, or Cane offices
@@elmernic oh shit yeah that does apply here. That’s a wild rule to have because it basically encourages that uncanny valley effect/cold distance that Sinclair felt, which formed the root of so many of his poor choices. It honestly feels like a deliberate choice by the Head to make life worse for anyone who gets/needs a full body replacement
@@hurricanelily_ja True
Everyone just needs to teach Sinclair self defense
See if Sinclair knew how to dom Kromer the story would have gone veeery differently.
If she wants Sinclair's peepee, then she has to beg
Well he does at the end.
Yes, Yes it was worth it.
Lori was feeling a little silly that day...
Considering the upcoming 000, WE will make it worth it
The Kussy is always worth it my man
Loss+Ratio+Kussy=Oof
That kussy gonna be big
You have been japed; Sinclair is both the GOAT and the one at fault for this chapter. All for that big shotussy.
The Gripussy
NEVER PUT YOUR CARROT IN CRAZY!!!
Good thing I dont have a carrot >:)
Sorry, bro, I'm getting N Corp Faust
God i wish that was me
I cannot with the kussy.
I think you got the video title a little bit wrong there
Limbus Review, the sequel of Limbus Company
Oh damn, thanks.
THIS is the GRIM GRIPPER of NEST N? 😱
also I think you know this but if you hold down your mouse whenever you use an ego the animation is sped up
I so desperately wish for more sinners to be added
KROMER MY BELOVED
I’m hard at this last section of this dungeon
Many think Demian similar to Enoch, what do you think?
Enoch second comming by reserect as demian
It was worth it now!
No good model for bravery... did you just delete Don from your memories?
"eastern literature" lmaooo
Is it worth it for someone with that haircut? No.
Kromer was right
Am I the only one who see Kromer and Nail&Hammer as Hero of the story?
The Prostetics in this game is a fucking Phyrexian's All-will-be-one Metal-replace-flesh style which also changed their personalities. And people think it's normal and it's even popular.
I believe the factory is a huge abnormality that Nail&Hammer tries to defeat in order to save humanity.
Also from the book "Demian" told us to not judge by good or evil. From Sinclair's view, Kromer is evil. But what's if he's wrong?
I can agree with that, the issue is that they made it easy to disagree with them, or not getting out of dodge fast enough.
@@Dan-gs3kg nail and hammer are just extremists who went too far
Now why would you take everything on the table here and use it to stack up to "Kromer is a hero" bro 😭
I wouldnt said Kromer is a hero but i do see where their vision come from. I understand using prostetic for missing limb but replacing your body for prostetic simply becausr it was conveniant oh hell nah
Nice
Just like me fr fr 😂