Riley's enthusiasm for being the resident e-ink guy is potent. Riley, if you need help and can't say it aloud, just write it down on one of those stylish displays with that 4096 levels of stylus sensitivity.
The thing is a total piece of crap. I love how they're adding more and more surveillance features like fingerprint readers and cameras that aren't necessary at all on an e-reader, but I guess the Xi Dada needs more data.
It's sad that you get your hands on this devices but you don't understand the niche where they belong too. The fact that they are running android, is not for them to be a tablet, but to be a better and more versatile option to something like a kindle, in some cases with note taking capabilities.
Riley, since eInk screens only refresh the 'pixels' in use, when you move a rectangle or refresh a portion of the screen, it takes way longer. When you're writing with the pen, the only eInk particles that will get charged are the ones directly underneath the pen, lowering the latency considerably. I'm still impressed to see an eInk screen play a video at an acceptable refresh speed!
I don't understand this video. All the "jokes" stem from comparing this eink tablet to an iPad and expecting it to behave as such. That's shocking from the biggest "tech" channel on RUclips and a great way to lose credibility. As an electrical engineer myself, I know that lots of engineers worked really hard on this device. I can understand making fun of some really niche products, useless products, or products with false claims, but why is it ever okay to make fun of a product like this? Color E Ink is a very challenging technology to develop due to needing to move physical ink around rather than the completely solid state nature of regular emissive displays. So of course it's going to have low response time and not look as good (with the major benefit of a much more natural reading experience). Why would a tech channel make fun of it for that? That's like a tech enthusiast making fun of an EV because of how long it takes for them to charge/refuel compared to a gas car. I find this video disrespectful. Unsubscribed.
LTT really needs to look at how they treat e-ink devices. They are not tablets and will never complete as a multimedia device. They are ereaders, note taking devices, and can sometimes do a little more. Instead they should be reviewed for what they are: how good is reading experience for books, PDFs, and comics. How is the note taking, markup, and retrieval process. These are things that matter for ereader. Currently LTT ereader reviews are like watching a bicycle reviewed like it was a car, and found wanting for not being car enough….
@@elias6570 No it isn't. Also that's not the point here. The point is, that LTT and SC-staff think they're reviewing a regular tablet, just with an e-ink screen, which this is not supposed to be.
Tbh this is more like a impressions rather than review. Riley is just another user who would buy an e-ink device thinking it's a tablet and don't know why they exist. But indeed, it would be a nicer if an eink device user did the video
If anything, this review serves as an excellent example of why such an expensive e-reader is such a waste of money. Rather than a faster processor or ways to improve the responsiveness, the markup seems to go towards software development and the custom UI, which the video shows to be unpleasant experiences. Navigation is bad, responsiveness is bad (I've seen *much* better response times from e-ink displays), and the overall experience with even reading books is bad. Could Riley learn the general workflow of e-ink displays a bit better and give much more in-depth looks at reading and writing? Of course, but that isn't going to save this product in the slightest.
Why even bothering doing a video if you won't even try to use the devices for the actual purpose they are designed for? ...It's like reviewing a motorcycle but scoring it based on how it works as a ladder, it simply doesn't make any sense!
It kinda soul drains me is that the "unboxing"/"review" never focused on all that matters in glorified book reader - battery life, ability to read heavy pdfs, how good notes are integrated into e-reader app, is it good enough to write hand-written notes, bibliography integration, how comprehensible are a4 format pdfs in color mode, etc. It's like he treats it like a "run of the mill" tablet and wonders why it doesn't really work like one.
I think the issue is the manufacturers keep adding things to the readers that don't need to be in there. WHY IS THERE A WAY TO WATCH VIDEOS ON YOUR E-INK DEVICE.
@@niko1even and? How this fact has anything to do with the aspects he focused on? The problem here is that he skipped all the important parts for that type of device and focused on irrelevant ones. It's like unboxing the vaccuming robot and talking about how bad its wheels are for enduro type use-case, how bad the suspension is, how it has no petrol engine and you can't refuell it at any gas pump, etc. You know, the important parts of your everyday roomba, right? It's not as ridiclous, but you get the point. It has nothing to do with the format, but everything to do with how he has missconceptions about how to use the device.
I believe the difference between drawing with the pen and resizing the rectangle is that the e-ink display has to do a full refresh to remove the old lines of the rectangle. When drawing with the pen, I believe the display can just "add" ink to the spot of the pen, but if it needs to "remove"/delete the ink, then the entire screen has to refresh. But this is still a bad experience compared to my Supernote A5X
That depends on the exact panel and the firmware - I've certainly seen e-ink devices that can do partial clears without needing a full screen refresh, and they had nearly instantly responsive scrolling. One such case was an older Kobo reader, which even in the browser had highly responsive scrolling, until a firmware updated ruined it... the one tradeoff is that it can leave some 'ghost pixels' sometimes, but that's usually not an issue in practice.
@@kennymorelandiii9406 12:24 the refreshrate must be about 5-10fps. Which is decent. For a e-ink display that is. No refreshing that takes more than half of a second.
Both Boox and Bigme devices are primarily note taking and reading devices and the tablet features are secondary. That is the reason their homescreen is either the library or notes and not the app list like other Android tablets. However if you want app list as your home screen, you can do so in the settings atleast in the Boox devices
The drawing probably only updates the e-ink on the points you're drawing, and thus it can show up faster, while drawing shapes requires computation to calculate where on the screen it has to update the e-ink followed by both clearing and drawing the screen at those locations. Just a wild guess, but that's approximately how I did it on an arduino e-ink display.
That, and also drawing a line only involves making white pixels black. Moving a rectangle requires black to white and white to black, and that in more space.
As I understand it (at least with other e-ink styluses, the e-ink is pulled up by the magnetic force exerted by the stylus), so it doesn't need the tablet's graphics processor to do the work. E-inks work by magnetic polarity to change between black and white ink. I would assume something similar is used in color, but I'm not sure.
@@TheCaniblcat I heard so as well. But in this case I would say, that the Tip isn't magnetic because of the coloured Display. For different colours you need a perfect amount of each "pixel". So it probably just tracks the pen.
I super enjoyed Riley losing his mind. Also the e-ink screen is a lot like an etch-a-sketch screen where you're getting particles stuck to the screen. It flashes to re-draw the whole screen and when it doesn't have to re-draw it seems to respond much faster. Because it's a physical system with actual ink (e-ink) response times are naturally slower than other display tech with change-in-place pixels.
A note on the refresh rate: e-ink displays have to physically move little colored beads in the panel whenever something changes on screen, so the more movement there is on screen, the more beads have to change position and the longer it will take. There's not much changing on screen as you drag a pen around, so that refreshes a lot quicker.
this one seemed kind of low effort and lazy, like your a tech youtuber and you should be able to navigate it. i don't think people use eink tablets for media consumption, it's mainly for reading, writing notes, and marking up documents so anything that helps that goal is welcome and everything else is just bonus fluff
That e-ink display is seriously impressive, especially considering the technique involved, this is actual physical particles being moved around, and to hit the different colors, and you can even play video on it, colour me impressed.
I'm a bit of an e-ink enthousiast and recently bought an Android Color E-Ink ereader - my first in both those categories. I recognized much of what Riley experienced, but experienced it more positively myself because of my lower expectations. I just want to read on it, so even the drawing is more of a curiosity to me.
To answer Riley's question: the amount of time needed to (reliably, with high contrast) update the state of an e-ink display relates strongly to size of the area being updated. So just updating a tiny area underneath the pen is quick, anything else takes longer
A few years ago 1024 pressure levels was common (and worked fine IMHO) then they quickly and suddenly ramped up to 2048 then to 4096 like a month later and its been hanging out there for a while now. A few have 8000-whatever but I think those are less common cause it really doesn't make that much difference. I think most graphics tablets come with stylus tip pullers.
E-ink is my like…dark horse technology. It is just so much more pleasant to look at than a screen and I can’t really explain why. If it could play video, then that is like…game changing tech for me. My desk setup would instantly change from one regular monitor and an E-Ink display.
Its cool, but very limited. There was a pretty cool phone (think it was a prototype) that was OLED on one side and E-INK on the other side, so when you flipped it, the sensor just change the veiw to the other screen. Saving power
@@matsv201 Funny story about this. This was not a prototype it was the Yotaphone and they made two versions of it. I owned the Yotaphone 2 and quite frankly it was fucking awesome. I read a lot of books and also like the look of eink. It helped me save a lot of battery as well. Long story short: it was the most fun phone I ever owned. The company was a scam though after 6 months the first phone just stopped working. It just froze up and never worked again. I tried contacting support. Doesn't exist. I try calling them. Their company does not exist. I try to see if I can sue them somehow. Their company appearantly was not registered anymore. This was a crazy weird experience, because the hardware was so good. I can't believe such a shady business was able to create that quality. EDIT: Oh yeah and I bought a second one because I missed that thing so much only for the exact same thing to happen again.
E ink is worse in every way except for power consumption. 30Hz refresh rate (horrible) 720 x 960 pixels only (horrible) Only 36 colors compared to 100 million colors on a modern screen 3x more expensive (horrible) Can keep the screen on without power (good) If you want a low brightness screen, just use a LCD screen
Why are color e-ink displays still so bad in tablets? I've had a watch with a color e-ink display which had a refresh rate of about 20Hz and had much brighter colors and didn't have to "refresh" the screen so now and then by flashing the whole screen.
That watch isn't a Pebble by any chance, is it? Iirc the Pebble uses a reflective LCD to get a paper like look and low power consumption with decent colours rather than a true eink display.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 I guess the million dollar question, then, is why is that not good enough? What does real e-ink have that transreflective LCDs can't achieve, besides lower power draw?
@@stevethepocket I haven't seen much of transflective LCDs to compare but good eInk displays genuinely look just like paper, there's something different and quite nice about reading on paper that isn't quite captured by LCD.
When you are drawing with your stylus, (I wont get far into how these screens work), it changes the polorization (charge) of the pixels physicaly, so there is no delay to it. When you are drawing a rectangle, all of the pixels need to refresh by modifying their charge via the tablet itself using chemical and different reactions, which is way slower than doing it physicaly.
@@pascha4527 It's still eink, you can see it's still way slower than the stylus drawing which is continuously refreshed. Most of these modern eink displays from what I understand refresh faster if they decrease the colour gamut so it may be using fewer colours on RUclips than on the drawing app.
Got one of these via their Kickstarter - was a lot less than the $700 priced here (even when I paid in £) - good device for my book reading - easy to load up then via the WiFi web interface (so can upload mobi, pdf etc from my laptop to it) - been a number of updates that make it easier still
Suggestion: actually research the products before presenting them. It's annoying that you don't even bother to read the box/spec sheet before the video. It's like the disappointing Samsung Galaxy watch video all over.
These e ink devices reviews in this channel are always so bad. E-ink devices have a purpose, and these reviews always miss most of them and end up with dumb comments. Talk about the usages, screen quality, open a magazine, compare with the alternatives. If it isn't for you fine, but at least show some interest in reviews the devices. Having a browser is secundary. E ink devices are for reading and note taking, test it well and not the box or multimedia capabilities that are secundary.
The reason why E-ink is responsive when writing because when you write using the stylus, ghosting is not a problem as what you have already written will stay on the screen until you erase it. When you move a shape around the screen, the screen needs to deal with ghosting, in thid case, the display have to do a windowed or a full screen refresh which may take longer. When writing, E-ink is not refreshing the screen, it is just changing the state of the pixels following the stylus.
I really would have loved to see this one succeed...sadly I'm still going to have to wait until a company that actually knows what it's doing can come along and make it work. What a wasted opportunity to lead a possibly huge market. Swing and a miss 😒😂
Proper E-Ink devices would be such a boon for those of us who work outside. Batterylife and screen visibility, paired with proper usability and basic features, would make working with documents in direct sunlight so much better. It's too bad this one falls very short.
@@DuyNguyen-yx2vd there are so many good E-readers on the market right now. Specifically with 9 and 10 inches screens that are made for reading documentation and other pdf files. Just ignore Bigme readers, these are overpriced
The technology is actually pretty mature and there are plenty of people that enjoy and use devices like the Remarkable 2 every day... Riley is just needlessly dismissive because he's not the target audience, e-readers and e-note taking devices aren't regular tablets, they're not designed to be used as such, if you have those expectations you'll never find something that will satisfy you.
when you are dragging an object it has to remove and redraw multiple sections at once. whereas with a single brush stroke or line it works similar to an etch-a-sketch where it only has to add onto the screen where the pen is currently located and drawing.
First of all i would attribute the choppiness of the drawing of the rectangle to the fact that it is not a continiuos shape. i.e. it has to delete the previous size of the the rectangle and redraw it elsewhere which doesn't happen when you simply draw. which means that not only does the adjusting the size of the rectangle contain tens of microadjustments you also need to delete the previous location of the rectangle.affectively doubling the amount of shapes to be drawn on screen. which means that unlike the seemingly smooth drawing, the refresh rate of the e-ink display struggles to follow the placement of shapes and triangles, the same arguemnt can be made for how slowly Android OS works on e ink display. also another factor which can be atributed to this is that perhaps the algorithm that places the rectangle on the screen inside the app isn't as efficient as it could be.
E ink is kind of like a much more advanced version of an etch-a-sketch. The stylus pulls the e ink up to the surface so that it's visible, and whenever the e ink screen refreshes, that's the equivalent of giving an etch-a-sketch a big old shake. While I find these videos amusing, they're not very informative. Next time you review one of these e ink android tablets, it would be worth familiarising yourself with it, and talking about how access to the play store allows for access to kindle, kobo, and all of the other ereading apps. Would be worth checking out more simple puzzle games too, along with web and social media browsing. Otherwise, it's probably for the best that you don't try and review this style of product at all in the future.
“Hey, I don’t understand how this works, if you guys know you should comment.” Says the professional tech reviewer professionally making a tech review. I am sorry to be negative, but every time I see a video made by by these companies they war woefully underprepared and annoying cynical. These guys are the tabloids of the RUclips tech space. It’s annoying.
things should have been tested: reading an actual ebook displaying A4 PDF with more than a text trying out search, annotate, bookmarks PC connectivity, sync, charging battery specs, backlighting things we got thorough review of all the junk in the box complaints about the stylus complaints about the OS complaints about the screen drawing BS crab raving the speakers
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I think I was more frustrated by this "review" than Riley was with the product. Is it a Nort American thing to be frustrated with obvious things on screen without five minutes of preparation? I mean, I know ShortCircuit does it on purpose, but... I kinda wanted to see what the device was like, not just someone failing at basic things for 15 minutes.
goodereader has involved in shady business practices such as taking pre-order a product that the company hasn't agreed to, writing a fake reviews for a product that doesn't even came out yet, etc etc.
After seeing this device has a Kaleido Plus screen it is weird that this was just posted 2 weeks ago? Last night I watched a comparison between devices using Kaleido 3 and Gallery 3 which are the newer E-Ink screens announced in April of 2022.
This was probably the worst review I've ever seen. It's like you bring a tank and then ask what's the mileage, why it goes slower than an average bike, why doesn't it comes with an ac etc but ignoring all the actual use cases of it.
For death of me I cannot understand why companies send their junk to linus team to be mocked by someone who clearly does not give a fuck about the product, and who has obviously zero interest in getting to know a single thing about the product. So disrespectful, so distasteful.
I didn't really know what to think of this until you said it was $700. Like it seemed barely okay and maybe the right person would like it but at that price point I can't even believe their target audience, whatever that may be, would want it.
Shouldn't you get someone who has the faintest ideal of eink readers to reviews these? Does no one at LTT know anything about eink readers? This was a little entertaining but such a waste of time. Yes, I understand this isn't a product for you. But there are people out there who would like to buy this, what even is the point of posting this video?
It could help if you did a bit of research on the product and company you are testing. Also on the tech, there are a bunch of color e-ink technologies and each of them has different characteristics. I don't want to be hateful, but even if i feel the passion, this was not really professional or honest as a video, i would consider it borderline disrespectful.
shout out to Good eReader, check them out on YT! Not sure how their stuff ended up on there. They reviewed it first or aided Bigme in sending the product or something. The custom launcher is tailored to the needs of the eink display and the intended use, but I'm fairly sure you can get to regular Android if you want. They are all also likely copying the competition. The prices are high for everything. It's why I've watched the ereader space but never bought one other than an old Kindle. I like that LTT is showing more ereaders, but also the blind impressions videos for a product type they don't usually review don't seem completely fair.
$700 is far too much. These stupid companies introducing video players, cameras, game apps and what ever nonsense to a device that wants to be a note taking/sketch pad, need to stop it! Focus on the feel and texture, you want to be creating "advanced paper" and battery life should be top goal. I own the reMarkable 1, and it's top dog. The only improvements are; it just needs to add colour. Cost me £180 ($213).
The use case of that thing is not to watch videos on it. It is to add the possibility to read comics in color to the eink space. This one on paper seems to be above the competition by giving a better color resolution. Earlier ones were limited to a fourth of the B&W resolution. And color accuracy was bad at best. To see it still kind of brought forward is enough to keep me interested. If this tech can match at least 30fps screens in the future, that alone is enough to get a device that can play videos without backlight on and without burning your eyes while doing so.
The issue with all these e ink tablets is that they’re not price competitive with the iPad or similar low end Android offerings. Ultimately unless they can compete there, they’re going to lose, since e ink has so many drawbacks that you can’t convince someone with an e reader to shell out 700 more dollars for the ability to write on it, nor can you convince someone who’s considering an iPad Pro to get an e ink screen instead
It is supposed to be refreshing to see an unprepared unboxing. It is actually quite annoying to watch a video and ending up having more questions than answers.
11:20 I assume it's because it has nothing to delete, displaying a stroke. Every consecutive frame "adds ink" so to speak since white is e-inks default. Moving something across requires some ink pixels to be "defaulted" which takes more time than inking them. But I'm no e-ink-enthusiast
As a dude who's searched thru MANY Chinese rip off (or just poor quality) audio products such as earbuds and headphones.. I can make some bets of the product's origin based on "horn" 🤷..not sure if it's an Asia thing or a China specific thing, but they tend to describe the actual sound making part of thins as a "horn" Why do I remember this? It was HILARIOUS to me seeing "9mm horn" 😂😂😏
It's not even entirely uncommon for people to refer to the conical assembly of a speaker as a horn, and it's also commonly used to describe speakers that use that shape for sound amplification, such as a horn tweeter vs. a dome tweeter or ribbon tweeter.
You're right, and the website/ RUclips channel Good E-Reader, which is probably the greatest english language e-ink resource out there, freely admits this. They just bring the device to the North America markets.
The resident e-ink guy treats an e-ink tablet as just any other android tablet and focuses on the trivial use cases instead of using it to read ebooks.
to be realistic here, in this kind of tablet you will probably have 1 or 2 apps that you really use, that should be amazing for reading comics and manga and if it someday become cheaper I will probably buy it (or some new version of it)
Eink screens are slow so the devs made it so you see a fake line when you draw for lower latency on a top layer. When you stop writing it sends it to the actual app. When you draw on eink, you’re seeing a sample on a top “sketch” software layer
I'm pretty sure the Good E Reader branding was on there because that's the company that LTT's procurement sourced the device from. They have a RUclips channel where they do reviews for all kinds of E Ink devices, and they have a store that sells a lot of the Chinese made devices that don't see widespread release in the West. Might be the only place where you can find the Bigme tablet in the US or Canada, but if you find it from another seller, it wouldn't have that case or the Good E Reader apps preloaded
The tip of the stylus activates the display directly and doesn't have to wait for screen refresh. Watch a video on how e-ink works and it'll become clear.
I mean, the DPI for the colour e-ink isn't bad. Still issues with vibrancy. The OS seems a bit of a mess though. Liberal use of machine translation, I figure. We're probably still at least a few years off before we get a colour e-ink display that is actually pretty good for consuming colourful content like comics. It's currently more on the level of cheap newsprint. Faded looking and just generally lacking a broad spectrum of colours.
I have a Sony dptcp1 and love eInk displays. The colors here look like substantial progress to me. Would love to see a desktop 60hz eInk monitor someday
Most e-Ink screens needs a full write when going from black to white, but only a very small part change when going from white to black. If something needs 'deleting' it must redraw the while screen, it is only adding new no-white there is no need to redraw the whole screen. Maybe it is something related to that.
Stylus nib puller has been around almost as long as there has been consumer graphic tablet. usually they're in the "pen holder" base you have to unscrew to access it (often nibs are stored there too)
Can any HUMAN even achieve 4096 different applications of pressure? 🤔🤔 In art class back in the day we were taught to make 8 different shades per pencil.. so HB, 2B, 2H..etc. all the to 8's. So us PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED ARTISTS were taught to need 8 levels of pressure basically (more pressure=darker shade) ..so I'm EXTREMELY dubious folks can even utilize so may levels of pressure. Am I missing something? Appreciate any info you got folks 👌
@@apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs no problem lol. It's like mice marketed to gamers with 5 bazillion DPI resolution. Like ok bro that will definitely help you no-scope someone on your 1080p monitor...😄
I'm quite sure there's something in the tip of the pen to make it have an actuall effect on the display. I remember this one device that had responsive af trails but would sharpen and correct once you lift the pen, as then the display would actually update what you've drawn and whatever you saw before was just because of (idk? magnets?? in the tip of the pen. (Or it had something to do with only partially updating the screen? Not sure) It makes it feel really responsive!
Eink displays use an electrostatic array to display things - each pixel contains little charged particles that get repositioned by pushing them to the top or bottom of the pixel. The stylus can then be charged to directly interact with the charged particles rather than having to tell the tablet where it went, then have that information flow through the entire display pipeline.
This is wrong. The stylus cannot interact directly with the display. You may be thinking of a different display technology called justwrite from the e ink company but none of these tablets use it.
@@rescueferret8834 Por que no los dos? Yes, they use EMR, because the display pipeline is one way, they can't read back changes to the display state so they need some means of storing the pen strokes. They *also* use electrostatic techniques to update the display directly using the stylus. Users of the reMarkable for instance describe being able to see the pen controlled line get laid down, followed by a screen refresh that replaces it with a subtly different looking line based on the EMR tracking.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 I'm pretty sure what you see there is anti aliasing taking effect. The remarkable stylus does not have any kind of force that moves the particles. Maybe it is somewhere in between like at the chip or driver level and not the OS level but I don't think any display has a purely hardware interaction besides JustWrite.
Riley's enthusiasm for being the resident e-ink guy is potent.
Riley, if you need help and can't say it aloud, just write it down on one of those stylish displays with that 4096 levels of stylus sensitivity.
666 likes is the right amount
The thing is a total piece of crap. I love how they're adding more and more surveillance features like fingerprint readers and cameras that aren't necessary at all on an e-reader, but I guess the Xi Dada needs more data.
The replacement tips and tip puller isn’t that weird. My Samsung Note came with both as well.
Same here with dedicated drawing tablet. Pretty common thing actually
Samsung color eink device needed.
It's sad that you get your hands on this devices but you don't understand the niche where they belong too. The fact that they are running android, is not for them to be a tablet, but to be a better and more versatile option to something like a kindle, in some cases with note taking capabilities.
Riley, since eInk screens only refresh the 'pixels' in use, when you move a rectangle or refresh a portion of the screen, it takes way longer. When you're writing with the pen, the only eInk particles that will get charged are the ones directly underneath the pen, lowering the latency considerably. I'm still impressed to see an eInk screen play a video at an acceptable refresh speed!
Why did they call him the resident e ink guy if he doesn't know how it works?
Linus: We need someone to review an eink tablet....Riely you're up
Riely: Oh God....I mean....woo...
I Believe it’s LowEnd computing force that makes the cube go slower! Anyone to disagree?
I’d love to hear the explanation pls
Dennis, O Brother, Where Art Thou?
TLDR:
“It’s okay”
I don't understand this video. All the "jokes" stem from comparing this eink tablet to an iPad and expecting it to behave as such. That's shocking from the biggest "tech" channel on RUclips and a great way to lose credibility.
As an electrical engineer myself, I know that lots of engineers worked really hard on this device. I can understand making fun of some really niche products, useless products, or products with false claims, but why is it ever okay to make fun of a product like this? Color E Ink is a very challenging technology to develop due to needing to move physical ink around rather than the completely solid state nature of regular emissive displays. So of course it's going to have low response time and not look as good (with the major benefit of a much more natural reading experience).
Why would a tech channel make fun of it for that? That's like a tech enthusiast making fun of an EV because of how long it takes for them to charge/refuel compared to a gas car.
I find this video disrespectful. Unsubscribed.
LTT really needs to look at how they treat e-ink devices. They are not tablets and will never complete as a multimedia device. They are ereaders, note taking devices, and can sometimes do a little more. Instead they should be reviewed for what they are: how good is reading experience for books, PDFs, and comics. How is the note taking, markup, and retrieval process. These are things that matter for ereader. Currently LTT ereader reviews are like watching a bicycle reviewed like it was a car, and found wanting for not being car enough….
I think this thing is like $1,000
@@elias6570 No it isn't. Also that's not the point here. The point is, that LTT and SC-staff think they're reviewing a regular tablet, just with an e-ink screen, which this is not supposed to be.
Tbh this is more like a impressions rather than review. Riley is just another user who would buy an e-ink device thinking it's a tablet and don't know why they exist. But indeed, it would be a nicer if an eink device user did the video
@@nankinink that's a shitty excuse though, this isn't the just another user channel, its a tech channel.
If anything, this review serves as an excellent example of why such an expensive e-reader is such a waste of money. Rather than a faster processor or ways to improve the responsiveness, the markup seems to go towards software development and the custom UI, which the video shows to be unpleasant experiences. Navigation is bad, responsiveness is bad (I've seen *much* better response times from e-ink displays), and the overall experience with even reading books is bad. Could Riley learn the general workflow of e-ink displays a bit better and give much more in-depth looks at reading and writing? Of course, but that isn't going to save this product in the slightest.
Why even bothering doing a video if you won't even try to use the devices for the actual purpose they are designed for? ...It's like reviewing a motorcycle but scoring it based on how it works as a ladder, it simply doesn't make any sense!
Agree
It kinda soul drains me is that the "unboxing"/"review" never focused on all that matters in glorified book reader - battery life, ability to read heavy pdfs, how good notes are integrated into e-reader app, is it good enough to write hand-written notes, bibliography integration, how comprehensible are a4 format pdfs in color mode, etc.
It's like he treats it like a "run of the mill" tablet and wonders why it doesn't really work like one.
This.
I think the issue is the manufacturers keep adding things to the readers that don't need to be in there. WHY IS THERE A WAY TO WATCH VIDEOS ON YOUR E-INK DEVICE.
Yeah, Its just an unscripted rambling with high production value from a guy pretending to care about the product
It's not a review. Short circuit is unboxing and FIRST IMPRESSIONS. Reviews are mainly on LTT.
@@niko1even and? How this fact has anything to do with the aspects he focused on? The problem here is that he skipped all the important parts for that type of device and focused on irrelevant ones. It's like unboxing the vaccuming robot and talking about how bad its wheels are for enduro type use-case, how bad the suspension is, how it has no petrol engine and you can't refuell it at any gas pump, etc. You know, the important parts of your everyday roomba, right? It's not as ridiclous, but you get the point.
It has nothing to do with the format, but everything to do with how he has missconceptions about how to use the device.
I'm happy each time the editor ads the little explosion when the host throws the empty box 😊
Ayo you got a heart
I believe the difference between drawing with the pen and resizing the rectangle is that the e-ink display has to do a full refresh to remove the old lines of the rectangle. When drawing with the pen, I believe the display can just "add" ink to the spot of the pen, but if it needs to "remove"/delete the ink, then the entire screen has to refresh.
But this is still a bad experience compared to my Supernote A5X
why is the youtube video completely fine then?
That depends on the exact panel and the firmware - I've certainly seen e-ink devices that can do partial clears without needing a full screen refresh, and they had nearly instantly responsive scrolling. One such case was an older Kobo reader, which even in the browser had highly responsive scrolling, until a firmware updated ruined it... the one tradeoff is that it can leave some 'ghost pixels' sometimes, but that's usually not an issue in practice.
@Pas cha how was it fine?
@@kennymorelandiii9406 12:24 the refreshrate must be about 5-10fps. Which is decent. For a e-ink display that is.
No refreshing that takes more than half of a second.
The simple answer is the pen itself is charged and can pull the eink blobs up to the screen surface where it sticks.
it seems that Riley wanted to buy a shoe but he bought a car and has no idea how it works. LOL, the frustration is so funny
If my grandma had wheels she would have become a bike
Both Boox and Bigme devices are primarily note taking and reading devices and the tablet features are secondary. That is the reason their homescreen is either the library or notes and not the app list like other Android tablets. However if you want app list as your home screen, you can do so in the settings atleast in the Boox devices
The drawing probably only updates the e-ink on the points you're drawing, and thus it can show up faster, while drawing shapes requires computation to calculate where on the screen it has to update the e-ink followed by both clearing and drawing the screen at those locations. Just a wild guess, but that's approximately how I did it on an arduino e-ink display.
That, and also drawing a line only involves making white pixels black. Moving a rectangle requires black to white and white to black, and that in more space.
As I understand it (at least with other e-ink styluses, the e-ink is pulled up by the magnetic force exerted by the stylus), so it doesn't need the tablet's graphics processor to do the work. E-inks work by magnetic polarity to change between black and white ink. I would assume something similar is used in color, but I'm not sure.
@@TheCaniblcat So in that case, I could draw on e-ink by hovering a strong magnet above the display?
@@TheCaniblcat I heard so as well. But in this case I would say, that the Tip isn't magnetic because of the coloured Display. For different colours you need a perfect amount of each "pixel". So it probably just tracks the pen.
@@TheCaniblcat If this were the case, it should ALWAYS draw a line (electromagnet would consume too much power). Yet there is 10:44, for example.
I super enjoyed Riley losing his mind. Also the e-ink screen is a lot like an etch-a-sketch screen where you're getting particles stuck to the screen. It flashes to re-draw the whole screen and when it doesn't have to re-draw it seems to respond much faster. Because it's a physical system with actual ink (e-ink) response times are naturally slower than other display tech with change-in-place pixels.
A note on the refresh rate: e-ink displays have to physically move little colored beads in the panel whenever something changes on screen, so the more movement there is on screen, the more beads have to change position and the longer it will take. There's not much changing on screen as you drag a pen around, so that refreshes a lot quicker.
this one seemed kind of low effort and lazy, like your a tech youtuber and you should be able to navigate it. i don't think people use eink tablets for media consumption, it's mainly for reading, writing notes, and marking up documents so anything that helps that goal is welcome and everything else is just bonus fluff
That e-ink display is seriously impressive, especially considering the technique involved, this is actual physical particles being moved around, and to hit the different colors, and you can even play video on it, colour me impressed.
There are way more impressive and bigger ones, there are even pc monitors with e-ink display(though they do cost 1.5-2k$).
I'm a bit of an e-ink enthousiast and recently bought an Android Color E-Ink ereader - my first in both those categories. I recognized much of what Riley experienced, but experienced it more positively myself because of my lower expectations. I just want to read on it, so even the drawing is more of a curiosity to me.
To answer Riley's question: the amount of time needed to (reliably, with high contrast) update the state of an e-ink display relates strongly to size of the area being updated. So just updating a tiny area underneath the pen is quick, anything else takes longer
A few years ago 1024 pressure levels was common (and worked fine IMHO) then they quickly and suddenly ramped up to 2048 then to 4096 like a month later and its been hanging out there for a while now. A few have 8000-whatever but I think those are less common cause it really doesn't make that much difference.
I think most graphics tablets come with stylus tip pullers.
E-ink is my like…dark horse technology.
It is just so much more pleasant to look at than a screen and I can’t really explain why.
If it could play video, then that is like…game changing tech for me. My desk setup would instantly change from one regular monitor and an E-Ink display.
Its cool, but very limited. There was a pretty cool phone (think it was a prototype) that was OLED on one side and E-INK on the other side, so when you flipped it, the sensor just change the veiw to the other screen. Saving power
lol maybe for a tablet but not a pc monitor
@@laupoke 75% of what I do is text.
Code goes on e-ink, application window I am working on goes on the screen
@@matsv201 Funny story about this. This was not a prototype it was the Yotaphone and they made two versions of it. I owned the Yotaphone 2 and quite frankly it was fucking awesome. I read a lot of books and also like the look of eink. It helped me save a lot of battery as well. Long story short: it was the most fun phone I ever owned. The company was a scam though after 6 months the first phone just stopped working. It just froze up and never worked again. I tried contacting support. Doesn't exist. I try calling them. Their company does not exist. I try to see if I can sue them somehow. Their company appearantly was not registered anymore. This was a crazy weird experience, because the hardware was so good. I can't believe such a shady business was able to create that quality. EDIT: Oh yeah and I bought a second one because I missed that thing so much only for the exact same thing to happen again.
E ink is worse in every way except for power consumption.
30Hz refresh rate (horrible)
720 x 960 pixels only (horrible)
Only 36 colors compared to 100 million colors on a modern screen
3x more expensive (horrible)
Can keep the screen on without power (good)
If you want a low brightness screen, just use a LCD screen
Why are color e-ink displays still so bad in tablets? I've had a watch with a color e-ink display which had a refresh rate of about 20Hz and had much brighter colors and didn't have to "refresh" the screen so now and then by flashing the whole screen.
Size matters for eink refresh iirc, watch is small so it doesn’t need as much
That watch isn't a Pebble by any chance, is it? Iirc the Pebble uses a reflective LCD to get a paper like look and low power consumption with decent colours rather than a true eink display.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 transflective LCD I think
@@bosstowndynamics5488 I guess the million dollar question, then, is why is that not good enough? What does real e-ink have that transreflective LCDs can't achieve, besides lower power draw?
@@stevethepocket I haven't seen much of transflective LCDs to compare but good eInk displays genuinely look just like paper, there's something different and quite nice about reading on paper that isn't quite captured by LCD.
Why let someone review this who knows nothing about e-ink displays...
This is one of the worst reviews I have ever seen. It is not a comedy bit.
I'm here just because it's Riley.
When you are drawing with your stylus, (I wont get far into how these screens work), it changes the polorization (charge) of the pixels physicaly, so there is no delay to it. When you are drawing a rectangle, all of the pixels need to refresh by modifying their charge via the tablet itself using chemical and different reactions, which is way slower than doing it physicaly.
how is it working with the crabrave youtube video? is it not eink? The framerate was impressive for eink
@@pascha4527 It's still eink, you can see it's still way slower than the stylus drawing which is continuously refreshed. Most of these modern eink displays from what I understand refresh faster if they decrease the colour gamut so it may be using fewer colours on RUclips than on the drawing app.
The actually correct answer. Also, the e-ink controller does some magic right away, in-display so to speak.
This is not true. The device detects the placement of the stylus and updated the display. The stylus does not directly change the display state.
@@unvergebeneid this is not correct. The eink displays on these tablets cannot be affected by the stylus directly.
I was worried that the drawing would refresh really slowly, but I’m happy to be proven wrong.
Got one of these via their Kickstarter - was a lot less than the $700 priced here (even when I paid in £) - good device for my book reading - easy to load up then via the WiFi web interface (so can upload mobi, pdf etc from my laptop to it) - been a number of updates that make it easier still
It's somehow 949.99 USD now.
Suggestion: actually research the products before presenting them. It's annoying that you don't even bother to read the box/spec sheet before the video.
It's like the disappointing Samsung Galaxy watch video all over.
These e ink devices reviews in this channel are always so bad. E-ink devices have a purpose, and these reviews always miss most of them and end up with dumb comments. Talk about the usages, screen quality, open a magazine, compare with the alternatives. If it isn't for you fine, but at least show some interest in reviews the devices.
Having a browser is secundary. E ink devices are for reading and note taking, test it well and not the box or multimedia capabilities that are secundary.
Thanks for the review :) well done
The reason why E-ink is responsive when writing because when you write using the stylus, ghosting is not a problem as what you have already written will stay on the screen until you erase it. When you move a shape around the screen, the screen needs to deal with ghosting, in thid case, the display have to do a windowed or a full screen refresh which may take longer. When writing, E-ink is not refreshing the screen, it is just changing the state of the pixels following the stylus.
Clearly noone in LTT is the resident e-ink boy.
i just love the constant frustration that riley felt lol.
i can totally imagine the designer of this thing ripping their hair out while watching this (review? unboxing?)
I really would have loved to see this one succeed...sadly I'm still going to have to wait until a company that actually knows what it's doing can come along and make it work. What a wasted opportunity to lead a possibly huge market. Swing and a miss 😒😂
Check out PocketBook readers. These guys are making E-readers for over a decade now and tech that they have is insane
@@ilgiz37 Will do, thanks!
Proper E-Ink devices would be such a boon for those of us who work outside. Batterylife and screen visibility, paired with proper usability and basic features, would make working with documents in direct sunlight so much better. It's too bad this one falls very short.
@@DuyNguyen-yx2vd there are so many good E-readers on the market right now. Specifically with 9 and 10 inches screens that are made for reading documentation and other pdf files. Just ignore Bigme readers, these are overpriced
The technology is actually pretty mature and there are plenty of people that enjoy and use devices like the Remarkable 2 every day... Riley is just needlessly dismissive because he's not the target audience, e-readers and e-note taking devices aren't regular tablets, they're not designed to be used as such, if you have those expectations you'll never find something that will satisfy you.
when you are dragging an object it has to remove and redraw multiple sections at once. whereas with a single brush stroke or line it works similar to an etch-a-sketch where it only has to add onto the screen where the pen is currently located and drawing.
God am I first
First of all i would attribute the choppiness of the drawing of the rectangle to the fact that it is not a continiuos shape. i.e. it has to delete the previous size of the the rectangle and redraw it elsewhere which doesn't happen when you simply draw. which means that not only does the adjusting the size of the rectangle contain tens of microadjustments you also need to delete the previous location of the rectangle.affectively doubling the amount of shapes to be drawn on screen. which means that unlike the seemingly smooth drawing, the refresh rate of the e-ink display struggles to follow the placement of shapes and triangles, the same arguemnt can be made for how slowly Android OS works on e ink display.
also another factor which can be atributed to this is that perhaps the algorithm that places the rectangle on the screen inside the app isn't as efficient as it could be.
E ink is kind of like a much more advanced version of an etch-a-sketch. The stylus pulls the e ink up to the surface so that it's visible, and whenever the e ink screen refreshes, that's the equivalent of giving an etch-a-sketch a big old shake.
While I find these videos amusing, they're not very informative. Next time you review one of these e ink android tablets, it would be worth familiarising yourself with it, and talking about how access to the play store allows for access to kindle, kobo, and all of the other ereading apps. Would be worth checking out more simple puzzle games too, along with web and social media browsing.
Otherwise, it's probably for the best that you don't try and review this style of product at all in the future.
“Hey, I don’t understand how this works, if you guys know you should comment.” Says the professional tech reviewer professionally making a tech review. I am sorry to be negative, but every time I see a video made by by these companies they war woefully underprepared and annoying cynical. These guys are the tabloids of the RUclips tech space. It’s annoying.
things should have been tested:
reading an actual ebook
displaying A4 PDF with more than a text
trying out search, annotate, bookmarks
PC connectivity, sync, charging
battery specs, backlighting
things we got
thorough review of all the junk in the box
complaints about the stylus
complaints about the OS
complaints about the screen
drawing BS
crab raving the speakers
I think I was more frustrated by this "review" than Riley was with the product. Is it a Nort American thing to be frustrated with obvious things on screen without five minutes of preparation? I mean, I know ShortCircuit does it on purpose, but... I kinda wanted to see what the device was like, not just someone failing at basic things for 15 minutes.
goodereader has involved in shady business practices such as taking pre-order a product that the company hasn't agreed to, writing a fake reviews for a product that doesn't even came out yet, etc etc.
You did a review Without Learning How To Use The Device? REALLY 🤔Remind me to Never Watch Another One Of Your Videos - What A Waste Of TIme
After seeing this device has a Kaleido Plus screen it is weird that this was just posted 2 weeks ago? Last night I watched a comparison between devices using Kaleido 3 and Gallery 3 which are the newer E-Ink screens announced in April of 2022.
This was probably the worst review I've ever seen. It's like you bring a tank and then ask what's the mileage, why it goes slower than an average bike, why doesn't it comes with an ac etc but ignoring all the actual use cases of it.
For death of me I cannot understand why companies send their junk to linus team to be mocked by someone who clearly does not give a fuck about the product, and who has obviously zero interest in getting to know a single thing about the product.
So disrespectful, so distasteful.
I didn't really know what to think of this until you said it was $700. Like it seemed barely okay and maybe the right person would like it but at that price point I can't even believe their target audience, whatever that may be, would want it.
I would like to see a big name company take a crack at a tablet with this technology.
Seems like a good case of a good product by a subpar company
Shouldn't you get someone who has the faintest ideal of eink readers to reviews these? Does no one at LTT know anything about eink readers? This was a little entertaining but such a waste of time. Yes, I understand this isn't a product for you. But there are people out there who would like to buy this, what even is the point of posting this video?
It could help if you did a bit of research on the product and company you are testing. Also on the tech, there are a bunch of color e-ink technologies and each of them has different characteristics.
I don't want to be hateful, but even if i feel the passion, this was not really professional or honest as a video, i would consider it borderline disrespectful.
shout out to Good eReader, check them out on YT! Not sure how their stuff ended up on there. They reviewed it first or aided Bigme in sending the product or something. The custom launcher is tailored to the needs of the eink display and the intended use, but I'm fairly sure you can get to regular Android if you want. They are all also likely copying the competition. The prices are high for everything. It's why I've watched the ereader space but never bought one other than an old Kindle. I like that LTT is showing more ereaders, but also the blind impressions videos for a product type they don't usually review don't seem completely fair.
_“It's $700, so that's... too much.”_
- Riley O'Rly, 2023
$700 is far too much.
These stupid companies introducing video players, cameras, game apps and what ever nonsense to a device that wants to be a note taking/sketch pad, need to stop it!
Focus on the feel and texture, you want to be creating "advanced paper" and battery life should be top goal.
I own the reMarkable 1, and it's top dog. The only improvements are; it just needs to add colour. Cost me £180 ($213).
The use case of that thing is not to watch videos on it. It is to add the possibility to read comics in color to the eink space. This one on paper seems to be above the competition by giving a better color resolution. Earlier ones were limited to a fourth of the B&W resolution. And color accuracy was bad at best. To see it still kind of brought forward is enough to keep me interested. If this tech can match at least 30fps screens in the future, that alone is enough to get a device that can play videos without backlight on and without burning your eyes while doing so.
Also android’s stock UI and UX patterns do not work well in a partial-update e-ink system. That’s why they build their own launchers.
The issue with all these e ink tablets is that they’re not price competitive with the iPad or similar low end Android offerings.
Ultimately unless they can compete there, they’re going to lose, since e ink has so many drawbacks that you can’t convince someone with an e reader to shell out 700 more dollars for the ability to write on it, nor can you convince someone who’s considering an iPad Pro to get an e ink screen instead
It is supposed to be refreshing to see an unprepared unboxing. It is actually quite annoying to watch a video and ending up having more questions than answers.
11:20 I assume it's because it has nothing to delete, displaying a stroke. Every consecutive frame "adds ink" so to speak since white is e-inks default. Moving something across requires some ink pixels to be "defaulted" which takes more time than inking them. But I'm no e-ink-enthusiast
As a dude who's searched thru MANY Chinese rip off (or just poor quality) audio products such as earbuds and headphones.. I can make some bets of the product's origin based on "horn" 🤷..not sure if it's an Asia thing or a China specific thing, but they tend to describe the actual sound making part of thins as a "horn"
Why do I remember this? It was HILARIOUS to me seeing "9mm horn" 😂😂😏
It's not even entirely uncommon for people to refer to the conical assembly of a speaker as a horn, and it's also commonly used to describe speakers that use that shape for sound amplification, such as a horn tweeter vs. a dome tweeter or ribbon tweeter.
You're right, and the website/ RUclips channel Good E-Reader, which is probably the greatest english language e-ink resource out there, freely admits this. They just bring the device to the North America markets.
Dude, thats a e-reader. It is supposed to be a good book reading device, whether it plays crab video on youtube or not is irrelevant.
The resident e-ink guy treats an e-ink tablet as just any other android tablet and focuses on the trivial use cases instead of using it to read ebooks.
to be realistic here, in this kind of tablet you will probably have 1 or 2 apps that you really use, that should be amazing for reading comics and manga and if it someday become cheaper I will probably buy it (or some new version of it)
The Boox devices are becoming fast enough to browse the web and use productivity apps on it.
When you have finished using it for the day, you can just toss it in the trash like real paper.
I know this is short circuit, but a LITTLE more reasearch into what is what would be apprecieated.
But can it run Doom? or gameboy for that matter
Eink screens are slow so the devs made it so you see a fake line when you draw for lower latency on a top layer. When you stop writing it sends it to the actual app. When you draw on eink, you’re seeing a sample on a top “sketch” software layer
12:43 Not knowing the actual refresh rate of the screen, really Hertz my feelings.
I hope they were able to un-break Riley after this one... did not look like a fun time.
I'm just thinking Crab rave 234 Million views how many are from LTT ALONE?
Riley's beef with Dbrand will never not be entertaining
I'd like to see a reflective color display for a tablet
What happened to Sarah, in fact, why are there NO female presenters anymore?
I now that is a first impressions video. But you seem a bit underprepared.
Gotta show the Marvel Unlimited app or some full color comics on this.
I'm pretty sure the Good E Reader branding was on there because that's the company that LTT's procurement sourced the device from. They have a RUclips channel where they do reviews for all kinds of E Ink devices, and they have a store that sells a lot of the Chinese made devices that don't see widespread release in the West. Might be the only place where you can find the Bigme tablet in the US or Canada, but if you find it from another seller, it wouldn't have that case or the Good E Reader apps preloaded
It'd be cool if you guys tried the ebooks with manga and comics.
The tip of the stylus activates the display directly and doesn't have to wait for screen refresh. Watch a video on how e-ink works and it'll become clear.
It makes me uncomfortable when Riley talks about folio holes.
I think this is what it must feel like for boomers using a computer
RTFM. You should maybe read a bit on it before you video.
I mean, the DPI for the colour e-ink isn't bad. Still issues with vibrancy. The OS seems a bit of a mess though. Liberal use of machine translation, I figure. We're probably still at least a few years off before we get a colour e-ink display that is actually pretty good for consuming colourful content like comics. It's currently more on the level of cheap newsprint. Faded looking and just generally lacking a broad spectrum of colours.
I have a Sony dptcp1 and love eInk displays. The colors here look like substantial progress to me. Would love to see a desktop 60hz eInk monitor someday
Look e-ink is an e-reader, not a tablet. Review it as such.
11:10 Riley, the reason resize is slow is because the erase takes time. When you draw there is no need to erase
Oh this looks cool
(Checks the price)
Nevermind
you just ruined all of it with your third class sarcasm
Most e-Ink screens needs a full write when going from black to white, but only a very small part change when going from white to black.
If something needs 'deleting' it must redraw the while screen, it is only adding new no-white there is no need to redraw the whole screen.
Maybe it is something related to that.
Stylus nib puller has been around almost as long as there has been consumer graphic tablet. usually they're in the "pen holder" base you have to unscrew to access it (often nibs are stored there too)
It reassures me that Eink is not for Riley...
Can any HUMAN even achieve 4096 different applications of pressure? 🤔🤔 In art class back in the day we were taught to make 8 different shades per pencil.. so HB, 2B, 2H..etc. all the to 8's. So us PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED ARTISTS were taught to need 8 levels of pressure basically (more pressure=darker shade) ..so I'm EXTREMELY dubious folks can even utilize so may levels of pressure. Am I missing something?
Appreciate any info you got folks 👌
This is true, 2048 vs 4096 levels of pressure will probably not be noticeable to humans
@@rescueferret8834 thanks for making me feel more sane 👌
@@apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs no problem lol. It's like mice marketed to gamers with 5 bazillion DPI resolution. Like ok bro that will definitely help you no-scope someone on your 1080p monitor...😄
its 1000 dollars , save yourself the watch
I bet the UI is more understandable in Chinese
Please do the lenovo p12 pro with stylus
I'm quite sure there's something in the tip of the pen to make it have an actuall effect on the display.
I remember this one device that had responsive af trails but would sharpen and correct once you lift the pen, as then the display would actually update what you've drawn and whatever you saw before was just because of (idk? magnets?? in the tip of the pen. (Or it had something to do with only partially updating the screen? Not sure)
It makes it feel really responsive!
Eink displays use an electrostatic array to display things - each pixel contains little charged particles that get repositioned by pushing them to the top or bottom of the pixel. The stylus can then be charged to directly interact with the charged particles rather than having to tell the tablet where it went, then have that information flow through the entire display pipeline.
This is wrong. The stylus cannot interact directly with the display. You may be thinking of a different display technology called justwrite from the e ink company but none of these tablets use it.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 these tablets use EMR technology which does not operate the way you describe
@@rescueferret8834 Por que no los dos?
Yes, they use EMR, because the display pipeline is one way, they can't read back changes to the display state so they need some means of storing the pen strokes. They *also* use electrostatic techniques to update the display directly using the stylus. Users of the reMarkable for instance describe being able to see the pen controlled line get laid down, followed by a screen refresh that replaces it with a subtly different looking line based on the EMR tracking.
@@bosstowndynamics5488 I'm pretty sure what you see there is anti aliasing taking effect. The remarkable stylus does not have any kind of force that moves the particles. Maybe it is somewhere in between like at the chip or driver level and not the OS level but I don't think any display has a purely hardware interaction besides JustWrite.