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The DP20, otherwise known as the Corellian Corvette, was a small but VERY dangerous Rebel ship, which was incredibly effective. All that and more for today's video!
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Corellian Engineers: "Wait, you mean we get to actually design a warship, and not just finaggle with law and make a TECHNICALLY civilian craft that is easy to turn into a warship by following every law to the letter while pushing it to its legal envelope?! We can actually go all out with the skills we have honed through the exacting knife edge we've had to design under all this time?!"
Empire: "Why do I hear boss music?"
This comment right here lol
Speaking as a Corellian... Yes.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssss.
The CEC's motto in Legends is: "Corellian Engineering Corporation. It don't stop moving till it hits something."
Empire: Why do I hear Doom music set to an orchestra?
Gir: "It was me! I was the correlian engineer all along! Doom doom de doom da doooooooom!"
Man I love the DP-20, that was one of my main ships in EAW for my Rebel fleets. Cheap, fast in both speed and production, reliable, low tech level, and very very powerful. I absolutely love this little sledgehammer! Never will I underestimate this missile gunship. So many torrents of missiles! Every Rebel EAW GC I play will always feature that little pocket capital ship destroyer in every fleet! It's just that badass!
I like running small groups of these and correlian corsets together
Same, good luck fighting six if my corillian gunships
@@odd-ov4gf I'm guessing those corsets really bind the fleets together ;)
It is also good in the Empire at War Awakening of the Rebelllion mod
@Starwars Experte It was already good in vanilla EAW, everyone else in the comments seems to forget it. All Awakening did was take gold and polish it. It's still the fleet killing wolf pack ship it always was.
I love the design of the DP20, too bad it wasn’t in any Star Wars movies
Battleships and larger get all the glory.
Give me a fast, nimble, ship that packs a punch any day of the week.
@@dianapennepacker6854 bruh I'm still waiting for the MC30C torpedo boat/destroyer (*not* Star Destroyer) to finally make an on-screen appearance
There a lot of ships that were in Return of The Jedi but we have no information on.
@@zays_mentos I was going to say it looks big but same concept yeah. I like the Marauder... I don't understand why fighters are so dangerous to everything in SW but you see few fast moving Corvette/frigates that can pack a wallop.
The Maurder and Raider II look awesome but my new favorite ship in SW is Luthens ship from Andor. Everything from the aesthetics to it's hidden weapons.
What were those spikes he shot. Can't just be random debrie... I mean it blasted the tractor beam no issue, and if it was just some random debrie then that ship is by far the worse designed ship I've seen in a while. "Oh no they caught us! What should we do!?” Let us just depressurize the cargo bay. We don't need the canned Tuna now. The tractor beam will just destroy it's self!" /Rant hehe
@Diana Pennepacker Starfighters were dangerous because of their use of proton torpedoes and concussion missile systems. For the rebels anyways. The empire contributed to this by not having any real point defence and relying too heavily on cheap and mass number of fighters.
By the time the rebels acquired X-wings, their starfighter corps tended to out perform ties and devastate imperial ships.
From the perspective of world building in Legends and even disney canon (not much world building from disney), this is important for the rebels that did not have a lot of ships that could go toe to toe with ISDs, so fighters and bombers that could hurt imp ships made a lot of sense.
Plus it's cool.
Empire at War is true to the ship in cannon. In a fleet with 20 slots, I usually had 4-6 slots filled with 2-3 Corellian gunships. They were fast and versatile enough that I could pack together a fleet of 8-10 of them just for hit-and-run raids.
Never underestimate the Corellians and their masterful shipbuilding skills.
The Corellians are matched only by the Mon Calamari.
Combine Both guys and the Venator Star Destroyer. I had that on the Thrawn Revenge Mod.
Ah, CEC...the company's motto is "Plausible deniability".
Kuat is still the number one ship builder. ISDs aren’t the only thing that they build.
@@90skidcultist That’s for Darn sure.
Finally the DP-20 getting the respect it damn well deserves.
My 2nd favorite spam ship for the Rebellion in Empire at War. 1st being the Assault Frigate Mk2. The ability to bypass shields made them perfect as cheap and strong anti capitals in swarm.
Personally they are my first even. Don't they even have their "Power to the Engines!" ability switchable on and off at will instead with a cooldown? Could be misremembering but it'd be major icing on the cake
@@shinkiro403 Even better, this one didn't have the cooldown like the CR-90, it was a toggle option similar to the x-foils.
@@volatile100 ah so I remembered correctly, nice. I now have a weird need to play the Remake mod for the game, hopefully it's stable enough now because even years ago it was such a piece of work, after so much time in development I'm almost sure it is anyway (and I suggests everybody with the base game to try it, it's love in pixel form)
@@shinkiro403 It's stable enough now. I think when I last played back in October I only had 2 crashes, both being toward the ends of my galactic conquests. The ground combat isn't that good imo, but the space combat is great.
@@volatile100 yes they focused on the space part, although understandably so, between the two it's the more iconic part. Do you know if the Republic at War mod gave instead appropriate looks to ground troops?
In Awakening of the Rebellion DP-20s also have missile launchers in addition to Turbolasers and Laser Cannons, making them a great all rounder screening/hunter ship for your fleet.
I always have no fewer than 4 of these in any of my fleets.
I am surprised there wasn't a comparison between the Gunship and the Imperial Raider. I would strongly suggest a comparison video, as well as a review of the operation history.
The DP-20 Corellian Gunship. The pure warship that you fight in, but not live in.
Just need a crew of Micronesians.
Hot bunking. It's how subs were crewed in WW2, and would fit SW very well.
The crews, however, may not be so fond of it.
@@leandersearle5094 I lived in a squad room for my first deployment to Iraq. Not as bad as hot bunking, but the lack of privacy is something I don't want to experience again.
Anyone who's played Empire at War, especially the Expanded mod series, knows the DP20 is no joke.
They really work well against capital ships when you bring a good enough number of them in battle, even standing up against an SSD when you deploy them in swarms... Satisfying
I know in Thrawns revenge it's ment for capital ship work, but I've found they're also effective against fighters. They're especially helpful against the Penastar Alignments carriers and swarms of fighters.
@@spartan078bennice mod btw i love it
You forgot to mention it’s arsenal of 1,200 concussion missiles
#askeck did the New Republic switch to more proper military ground vehicle force and if so, what vehicles did they use that differed from the Rebel Alliance?
Lore ship Versus video request:
Resurgent vs. Starhawk
Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
Keldabe vs. ISD II
MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator
Praetor vs. Subjugator
EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent
Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III
I would like to see The Assertor Class Super Star Destroyer Vs The Mega Star Destroyer
Holding my breath til the Hyper Star Destroyer vs the Ultra Star Destroyer 😏
Love these little guys. They really make the difference when you're fighting the biggest, baddest ships in Thrawns Revenge
I've always seen this ship as Star Wars answer to the Defiant-class from Star Trek since it fits the same role and can hit far above its weight.
Oh man I love this ship! First saw it when I got my copy of X-Wing Alliance many years ago, and it was one of my favorite new ships to come from that game.
Now there's only one question........WHY wasn't this beast featured in Rogue One??? That would have been wicked!
It's non-movie Legends. Disney has tried very hard to not touch non-movie Legends concepts wherever possible.
Your vite ramen ad always makes me chuckle Eck. Love the animated bit with the dogs eating the cargo
He still needs to do a battle breakdown of that battle, especially the Ladder Formation.
One variant of this was the "Illusion" series of gunships. The Illusion series were unique in that they had sensor jamming systems built in, allowing them to act as stealth type ships. Their system allowed them to confuse the sensors of other ships, either acting as if they weren't there, or projecting the image (or illusion, hence the name) of a much larger ship. If memory serves, only a handful of those ships were ever built though.
For some reason this ship gave me Rocinante vibes, looks cool!
Yeah, I'd think the Roci and others of her size/class owe more than a bit to this design
What does Don Quixote's horse have to do with it?
@@johnnyjet3.1412 it's a ship from the TV series The Expanse. There's some similar design (and conceptual) elements reminiscent to the DP20 Gunship. Good series, you should check it out.
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This ship brings me back to the days of Star Wars Rebellion.
Corellia was so good at designing ships, did they ever give Kuat real competition?
Kuat excelled at making the big ships. Corellia excelled at making the ships that outran them.
Kuat had three main competitors: Rendili Stardrive, Corellian Engineering Corporation and the Mon Calamari.
They all did more-or-less coexist though, since each focused down on a specific niche and dabbled in the others.
Rendili did starfighters and medium warships.
CEC did cargo ships and small warships.
KDY did large starships.
The MCs did large civilian ships, like cruise liners and deep space exploration ships.
@@thebighurt2495 Don't forget which factions backed the various corporations. The Empire was big on Kuat, the Rebellion had Mon Cal. CEC played neutral for both sides.
@@thebighurt2495 Fondor was competition for the construction, but not for design. They don't have a notable research industry.
@@DIEGhostfish pretty sure fondor ship building was a subordinate of kuat.
Trust me, as someone who mostly played Empire in Empire at War, I learned very quickly to fear these scrappy little ships.
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I remember this ship in the game Rebellionatuen based 4xer from back in the day. One of the first good ships you get good for starfighter defense like a Lancer just faster and more maneuverable. Grouped with a few Assault frigates and a Mon Cal Star Cruiser or a couple of Carriers and you got a pretty capable strike group.
That ship should be imperial. They heavily lack anti starfighter
Reminds me a little of Mars ships from the Expanse, big gun platforms strapped to giant engines built purely to fight.
I always loved using this ship in EAW. Like groups of 6 to 8 of these paired with CR-90s and Marauders. Very solid screen ships for the MC80s and other heavy hitters.
In other words, it was the Star Wars equivalent of Deep Space 9's Defiant. I like it.
I remember first encountering it in the game Supremacy (I think it was called Rebellion internationally), and I rather loved it. I had no idea it was from concept art, though.
I love this ship. It was a powerful vessel for it's speed and size.
Ah the good ol Gunship... this ship served me well in Empire at War.
When I would get bored I would go back and play empire at war a lot. And one of the things I did a few times was basically do the Galaxy conquest mode and try to use the most absurd or weakest vehicles and troops to win. I played as the rebels one time around and the only thing I used were cr90 Corvettes and the dp20 corvettes. I wouldn't even use starships or bombers.
A whole swarm of those things could easily take down a couple star destroyers.
Ah the Corellian Gunship. Always would have a few of those in my Alliance Task Force Fleets in Star Wars: Rebellion.
the DP20 was silly in how well armed it was compared to any ship its size.
So on the general note of design, I loved that is SWD20 you could design your own ship to take advantage of just the numbers game. Remember building three ships, two smallish ships just loaded with fire linked battery fired cannons or ion guns for the speed and hit and run abilities, then a larger ship that was a shield tank and point defense as a rebel cell of ship engineers.
I served in the U.S. Navy aboard a Frigate. Just to clarify, a Corvette (like the CR90) cannot be larger than a Frigate (such as how the DP20 is classfiied). The ship classes are based on Tonnage and Armaments. It would be more appropriate to say that the DP20 is just another kind of Corvette that is more combat oriented vs the CR90 which is designed with dual-purpose, civilian applications in mind.
I built these things a lot in Empire at War. One time an enemy fleet centered on what I thought from the pre-battle screen was a Victory attacked a planet I was using as a shipyard. As such the planet had a bunch of recently built Corellian gunships that hadn't yet been transferred to my forward fleet. I had a brief reaction of alarm when what was actually an Imperial-class Stat Destroyer cruised out of the fog of war, but mass concussion missile fire ripped it apart one weapon system at a time and the ISD went down in about 30 seconds.
The DP-20 is what happens when a bunch of Corellian engineers say "Hold our beers..."
I love these kind of fast gunships that are hard for capital ships to hit, but are big enough to have proper shields and weapons. The Millennium Falcon with a crew of 4 civilians can easily destroy several squadrons of tie fighters, imagine that, without any of the wasted space of being a freighter, and a crew of trained gunners.
'Almost no storage space' means the DP-20 will need a tender ship to stay supplied or stay in a friendly system. A fleet fights every now and then, but it constantly needs food fuel and replacement parts. If damaged the ship will need to RTB because the damage control teams won't have the parts on hand for anything but minor repairs.
“This is going to be a fighting ship. I intend to go in harm’s way, and anyone who doesn’t want to go along had better get off right now." -then-Lt. Cmdr. Ernest Evans at the 1943 commissioning of the Fletcher-class destroyer _Johnston._
Perfect motto for the plucky Rebel captains in these Corellian-made ships fearlessly going into battle against Imperial ships that massively outmass and outgun them.
This ship is a pound for pound champion.
I’ve seen the Battle of Kamino scene a million times on your channel; is that a BATTLESTAR? WHY AM I JUST NOW SEEING THIS?
Wow, amazing work on the research. Going back to OG comics and stuff is a 10/10 in my book
I have to assume that one of the disadvantages inherent in the DP20s lack of cargo space would be a limitation in its ability to operate away from a base for as long as ships like the CR90
1:24 It's got that CR90-style about it. Big engine block, slender hull.
As someone who has used the DP20 a LOT in Empire at War, this assessment is 100% right.
To be honest, in my opinion, the best ever starship to have a perfect combination of every single role was the Republic, Venetor class ship.
The DP20 is a Destroyer Frigate. Strength in numbers. Absolutely a power house but backed up could cripple Star Destroyer Capital ships.
Reminds me of the Martian corvettes from The Expanse both in rough design and spread of weapons. Very cool.
I always imagined a melenium falcon sized ship with multiple quad lazer blaster stations doing quite well as a fighter screen. This type of ship could be employed as fleet fighter defence freeing up the fighters to escort bombers on attack runs.
This was always a favorite of mine! I would frequently spam-built them to fill out my fleets in Star Wars Rebellion.
YEEEES!!! FINALLY!!! This ship has needed some real love, always overshadowed by the CC, but this thing is by far a better ship.
I love building up small fleets with these and CR90 with A-wings and xwings in Empire at War
It kind of sounds like a Star Wars version of the WW2 Atlanta Class light cruiser. It was armed with 8 twin 5 Inch Guns, Torpedos and AA Guns. And it was used as a commandship for a Destroyer Fleet or as an AA ecsord for bigger ships. Sort of like the DP20
Yea but the Atlanta Class had centralised fire direction...
@@Bird_Dog00 That's right. But it's also a real ship. And it's close enough to mention it
@@schiffsmechaniker8061 I wasn't disagreing with your analogy, I was just throwing some shade at the SW ship for having manually controled guns...
@@Bird_Dog00 I now. Sorry if it felt that i am arguing with you. I was not.
@@schiffsmechaniker8061 All good. I don't mind an argument as long as it stays polite.
I also suspected that you already knew, but experience has tought me to err on the side of caution.
Even in vanilla Empire at War, this ship has an inordinately significant punch for it's weight class. You could almost compose most your fleet with DP-20s and stay viable.
Oh that's sick, I thought the genesis of this vehicle was in Empire at War. It's much cooler knowing it comes from concept art and not just from a desire to balance a game.
The Baltimore Clipper: Privateer and Warship of the American Navy, fastest thing on the water, could damn near sail against the wind!
Happy new years eckharts ladder! I got hooked on your channel about 6 months after you started making videos and i miss ship lore videos! Its too bad about the issues you are having with the video music, i miss the older variety of background music you used to use in vs. Videos. Keep up the great work and i hope you can continue your youtube career and prosper for many years to come!
I know I have to take it with a grain of salt since that was a video game, but the Gunship really served me well in the games I played. Generally, I know it was a gameplay balance thing, but while Imperial designs were more powerful, they were also more inefficient. For the resources you put in for it, the rebel designs were always better. The MonCals were generally better than ISDs.
The only exception is the TIE Defender. Figures Thrawn was involved in designing that.
I remember fielding a few fleets of just dp20s and a few cr90s to back them up in the og empire at war. Packed a hell of a punch
Amazing upload as always
Corellians are terrifying shipbuilders. Sure the Mon Cala can build fantastic Star cruisers, but they’re not gonna pack a cruiser punch into a corvette frame, without sacrificing speed.
I like to use the DP 20 as a baseline of how Star Wars ships should be armed. It is the closest to realistic I've seen.
This ship is an absolute beast in the Empire At War games. I've wiped out countless technically superior fleets of imperial ships with massive swarms of these babies.
#askeck I was wondering if you could do an in depth video on yu zong vong ships and their weapons. I always found the vong interesting and would appreciate it if you could explain exactly how their "capital ships" work. Thank you.
I love this shop on Empires At War. I usually always have 2-3 on the front lines.
3:18 This actually seems like the type of ship that Thrawn would have held in high esteem/regard. Small size, for a warship, but capable of dealing and withstanding heavy damage. Five or six of these could potentially take out a Star Destroyer - they have enough fast rotating turbo-lasers to deal with any kind of fighter escorts - after that (or at the same time), focus fire on the shield generators and engines, from the rear of the ship. The Star Destroyers have no real defence against massed fire from the stern of the ship, at the engines.
The Malevolence (Clone Wars) had the same weakness - so much heavy fire capacity forward and broadside - nothing to the stern against pursuing ships - even though that was proved to be an obvious design flaw.
These ships along with the CR90 were a cheap and effective backbone of any good fleet.
RTS fans will remember these ships fondly for there versatility.
my Respect for the DP-20 Gunship grew tremendously when my Roleplaying character came into possession of two of them. They can hold their own against any fighter, and many smaller cap ships, and outrun anything they can't fight. EaW kinda made them underwhelming, IMO
I love that, in Empire At War, a swarm of these can kill everything, including the entire Star Destroyer and the frame rate.
The DP-20 might have passed for light freighters on sensors when not in visual distance- so it not having cargo may not have been such a big deal.
We've seen the Ghost pass as different makes and models on long range sensors, so it's plausible.
STARWARS REBELION: drop a 2 or 3 of those on an Imperial controlled world, arriving 1 "day" before a 2 or 3 carriers show up with a loadout of Y-wings. Gunships retreat to a back corner, imperial Ties flyout ahead of any capital ships. Ties get eliminated and Gunships retreat from battle. Carriers show up on the next turn and retreat to a corner while the Y-wings neutralize the capital ships... except Lancers, Stay the hell away from Lancers. Easy wins usually and early game play research that can reduce the orbital footprint of the EMPIRE.
hey Eck, when concussion missiles are fired during a space battle do they have the same visual characteristics as standard laser fire? is there a reason we don't see volleys of missiles being launched at capital ships in "on screen" SW media? To my knowledge, other than turbo and canon lasers we've only really seen Luke's proton launch, Wedge + Lando in RoTJ, bombs from Y wings and Tie bombers. So many ships list their arsenal as having missile tubes but we don' see them in action. Any insight on this? Cheers mate, keep it up
I always love paring DP20 and CR90 in EaW, especially with other Corellian ships in mods.
I like to think of the DP-20 as a German panzer from the 30s, pj it’s own it’s almost bo match for enemy tanks, but with good communication and coordination they can punch well above their weight class
This is a weird thing to compliment you on Eck, but I’ve been loving your video titles and thumbnails lately! They’re fun and make me chuckle and draw me in better than the red arrows do
I remember I had corelian gunships used for pickets ships against tie fighters in SW rebellion.
3:50
I always got the impression Starwars space battles are trying to capture the feel of WW2 naval battles.
In that regard it's even funnier how many shipboard weapons in Starwars reley soley on local manual controll.
Given that centralised firedirection using firing sollutions calculated by firecontroll computers to remote-controll AA emplacements throughout the ship was allready a thing in WW2.
I'm guessing the desire to give the characters more agency was an important factor - aka: "noone wants to read a story about computers waging war" - but I wonder if a lack of knowlege in that field didn't also play a role.
I can’t wait for the DP20 to show up in Andor commanded by Garm Bel Iblis. Cross your fingers ppl.😊
In Empire at War, I'd build a fleet of DP20S AND CR90s, with maybe 2 Nebulon Bs, and I could wipe out pretty much any fleet without a single capitol ship.
They so so much damage
Can anyone else see this ship fitting in with The Expanse (albeit with a different deck arrangement and weapons)? It looks like it could be a UNN gunship design. Saying that...it would be cool to see a larger ship like this flying around like a fighter in Star Wars, performing flips and hard turns :)
When I play Star Wars: Rebellion I don't even use starfighters of my own and use Corellian Corvettes and Gunships (once I unlock the tech) as my sole anti-fighter defense. This frees up manufacturing for actual capital ships and I don't need to consider how many starfighters ships can carry, just how many turbolasers and ion cannons they hold.
Really like the DP20. Honestly more than the CR-90. The CR’s forward section just feels really off to me. The DP’s is still a little weird but better. And I definitely like it’s loadout better
I was just thinking today I'd love to see more of the Corellian Gunship....and then your video comes out!
I remember this from Empire at War. Every Star Destroyer and every Cruiser from the Empire was an easy prey
Hey eck nice to see a new video ❤❤❤
Last time I was this early. Tatooine had one sun
If I had a group of DP20’s at my disposal as a rebel admiral, id use them in “wolf pack” attacks, similar to the German Uboats
Hot damn, we need this in Armada!
In the 2006 Starwar: Empire at war pc game, this ship was nerfed because its missiles are too deadly. Player tends to turn on "power to the engine" ability, run around and letting the missile to do it work. A fleet of this gunship can cope with anything in the empire arsenal.
Between the power cores, power cables, tibana gas cells, and concussion missile ammo racks this thing has very little crew space. Probably closer to modern navies or even submarines.
This thing was my go-to in unmodded Empire at War.
Fun point, the design would work from aesthetics, turret layout instantly also in Star Citizens and everyone who is not a Star Wars geek would never recognize it. ^^
Always loved this thing. Just tiny and covered in guns
If I learned anything from Freespace, it’s that if something is called a “gunship” in space? It’s more gun than ship, and to STAY AWAY.
I do love the DP-20. It's an engine with guns. where there are not guns there are missile launchers.
Love the Coreillean Gunship.
A video on the Tri-Fighter or "Clutch" from I,Jedi written by Michael a stackpol would be awesome. It was a good Ugly design.
I always found the clutch a bit odd when there was an official tri-winged TIE variant, the TIE/PH Phantom.
As much as I like Corellian ships, I think Mon Calamari are the best ship designers - turning what are essentially civilian cruise ships into warships that can stand up against ISDs, lol
ooh, these things are murder in EAW. In the OG, before the imperial ships get their dodge chance. Fast enough to outrun bombers, cap ships, and with shield-piercing missiles. I know that each of these things is going to waste an entire wing of ties unless i can get a tractor lock and multiple ships on it. I honestly suspect that if the Rebel AI built exclusively CGs, they'd win every time. It truly fights fighters as well as cap ships while outrunning both,
I love the DP-20 Gunship in Star Wars EAW Thawns Revenge, i have them banned for a good reason, they're pretty op so i ban them whenever i play with friends
*Snif* finally my fave is getting the recognition it deserves *wipes away tears*