MALIBU VS NAUTIQUE!! Wakeboat Ownership, Episode 21
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The Malibu boats are just the best looking boats on the water. Timeless classics!
Tim, that was a great and honest review of 2 awesome boats. I wish there were more of these types of videos. There are a lot of great boat brands, and they all have strengths and weaknesses. Your wife is a real trooper pulling you around. Maybe you should do a video of her thoughts on the wave. Great job!
Thank you Mark! I will see if she is up for it, haha
I actually rotate weekly between my G23 my buddies Malibu and like mentioned above turning the wheel as you come off throttle eliminates the water over there transom concern and forces the boat to rotate 180 facing you back towards the rider. I absolutely love the walk through design and by no means would consider it a design flaw.
I respectfully disagree, that works fine for surfing but i mostly wakeboard and don't want a wake down my line.
Water coming over the transom is easily avoidable. Just turn the wheel as you’re coming off plane. This has an added benefit of the wave hitting the back corner of the transom and speeding up the rotation. Gets you back to your rider faster.
I agree, but I still think its a design flaw as this method doesn't keep the lake as clean as possible.
@@wake_mann I'm not talking about a power turn. Just come off the throttle as normal and turn the wheel at the same time, you won't be creating any additional rollers.
@@gregfreestone2293 I know but that method still sends a wave right down the lane you are taking, may not matter for surfing but with wakeboarding you will catch up to that wave once you get picked up and keep going that direction.
@@wake_mann If you have been on any coaching/driving course for wakeboarding and skiing they tell you to power off more gradually and turn to the right and let the wave turn you at tick over. You wont get any water over the transome :-) We have a g21 and do this always unless someone is sitting on the back taking photos ;-)
@@wake_mann you just need to bump the throttle as soon as you see the rooster tail splashing towards the boat. As you are almost stopped just give a little gas to drive away from the wave. It doesn’t take much.
I had a 2014 G23 and we always kept the cover on from phoenix to lake Powell. Never saw any scuffing or hazing.
I did not know Malibu cruise control required a certain throttle position to work well, interesting! Great comments on the board racks, I had not thought of that vision issue. Excellent video overall, probably my favorite one!
Thank you!
Sounds strange, like a setting was off? I’ve driven many Axis and Malibu boats and have never had to hunt for the sweet spot. Just advance the throttle to the power needed for the set speed, the boat beeps to tell you you’re in cruise and that’s it. If the cruise is hunting it’s because you have the throttle to far back for your setting. Personally I’ve never been able to advance too far through the cc.
I've owned 4 different Malibus and they all had this problem; when throttle was all the way down it keeps revving up and down not holding to the set speed. When using cruise control you can't have it at its max, needs to be back at least a touch.
@@wake_mann One thing to note on the throttle, Malibu designs it this way in the programming to allow the user to use the full throttle even when cruise control is activated. If you push the throttle past that 3/4 mark it will jump out of cruise control.. There is now a visual on the dash as well showing this. They have done this for a safety reasons. Great video
Makes sense
I thought you were gonna slam into the dock, apparently it was a time lapse
Haha, yes sped up the video there
Could definitely tell that the regular foot riders get the better wave on the G23. I’m sure with some weigh tweaks you could get it dialed in, of course you’ll have you’re new boat by that time. 😂
Yes, i plan to play with my weight a bit to see how things change.
Great video Tim!! By far the best comparison of boats I’ve seen. So cool to see some of the pros and cons of each boat. In the end it comes down to preference. Both are great boats! That wakeboard wake is no joke! I can definitely see the difference.
Thank you! I agree, both are great boats.
Would have been good to mention the boat weight of each dry too. You talk about ballast, steel shot and all that. The dry weight of the boats is the 1st weight component in my mind.
The reason i did not include this is because those are facts anyone can look up and they are pretty close to the same for each boat oddly
Probably just took 1st place for my list of RUclips channels there boss. But honestly, just wanted to hear you say Malibu or Nautique over the other at the end, haha. Great video, love the honesty and breakdown and all the examples of an actual regular boat owner. Owned my own boats since 97, before wakeboarding started, but by far my favorite past time. Currently looking at Malibu as a an all around next 10 year boat for my purposes. Just can't see the extreme price difference, especially looking at Paragon vs. anything. All very nice and have their place but still stuck on Malibu in my mind. Thanks for the great video
Thank you! I appreciate your support. I didn't choose one or the other because I think it totally depends on your situation. Both brands have some great qualities and some not so great qualities. I think its obvious less people choose Nautique at a higher price when they have been able to get a bit better wave for less money, but there are all kinds of other features people think are important as well. I loved my 24 mxz and don't regret owning it for one second and I almost had another one if it weren't for a fallout with my dealer and I think dealer relationship is a huge factor. Thanks again!
Great comparison and well articulated. We had a Malibu 23LSV and went to a Centurion Ri245. Many of your comparisons are the same for these two boats- in particular the cruise control and the impact of the fins. The Ri245 Dropzone tower is really great vs the 23LSV G5 tower I had. The Ri245 surf wave is greatly improved vs the Malibu with zero added weight other than the plug and play bags but the wakeboard wake is much harder to get right in my Centurion. Luckily for us, only an occasional guest wakeboards so I’m sure I need to learn more on how to dial in the wakeboard wake. Above all, the ride of the Centurion is way better and the surf wave is “smoother” and less impacted by any chop. I think it’s interesting to see how Correct Craft is positioning the Centurion and the Nautique in their product lineups.
Thank you Joe! Good info in this comment. I agree its interesting both centurion and Nautique are under the correct craft hat but so many curious differences.
I’m not sure why the cruise on the Malibu wouldn’t take over control once you put the lever all the way forward that’s how it works on my axis you push it all the way and it automatically engages and takes over
I think you misunderstood what I said about the cruise control. It does take over, but if the throttle is pinned down at max throttle then it makes it overcompensate and then it keeps going up and down trying to find the perfect spot on its own. All you have to do is pull the throttle back a touch and its fixes it. This is common when have your boat almost maxed out on weight so it takes a bit longer to get on plane and the driver puts the shift lever all the way down. This is something you would only notice for fully weighted wakeboard speeds as you are not getting on plane to surf.
Awesome video. Its nice to hear the comparisons from an actual owner. Good to hear your knees are holding up.
I need to do my fluids ect, then I will be ready.
The deck (JBL PRV-275) I put in has a backup type camera option... im thinking a telescoping rod with camera on end of it to check on prop.
Thank you! I tried to compare as unbiased as possible. Knees felt much better this trip. Camera sounds like a cool idea.
If you work out at a gym, talk to trainer... one told me squats, leg curls, dips... will all help. Basically strengthen all muscles around knees.
Hi WakeMann, have you ever used your wakeboat in salt water? can you have one video for that? how about the maintainance etc.
Hi Lando, I have never been in salt water with my boats. You would only want to do this if you have a salt water edition, they are built with anodes to keep the salt from corroding parts too quickly. Also you are supposed to do a fresh water flush on the raw water cooling system and hose your boat down after every salt water use. Hope this helps
I know this varies with each boat, but whats the secret to getting a nice rampy wake? I have a centurion typhoon (23' Avalanche). Is it weight in the front? I put about 800lb in the back and still have a crumbling wake...thanks!
For all the boats ive owned you want to make sure you are weighted pretty evenly nose to tail in addition to port and starboard. When the boat it sitting still in the water the walking surface should be pretty near level. On all my 23 lsv's i had to add extra bow weight to counter ballance the tail weight. This is typical for traditonal bow boats as there must isn't much room on the bow for below deck ballast.
Hull design- you want a deep v that flattens out or slightly arches to sharp points at the transom.
Also important is how low the rear deck sits in water. Just above the lake surface to 1”inch under when boat is stationary is ideal.
Then proper weight.
Are you running a surf system- either the suction cup things on opposite side of surfer or trim tabs?
Was your malibu hull thicker? I heard they use the most fiberglass in bottom of their boats and Nautiques are pretty thin. You should be able to tell the thicknes by pulling your drain plug if you have one in the center floor.
I dont think so but I will check next time im in it now to make sure, I've removed the drain plug several times now and have not noticed a difference like this though
Local inboard repair guy who works on all of them down the road was telling me that. Curious to hear if that is true.
Very interesting, im very curious to look now but wish I had both in hand to take a measurement
@@wake_mann I believe he said the bottom of Malibu’s are the only wakeboats that are 1” thick
How do these compare to a Tige?
Maybe someday I can make a video about it.
Always dig your videos. Just getting to watch this one. Love the unbiased opinions. I still need to get out behind a Nautique.
Thank you! Tried to keep it as unbiased as possible.
These are things manufacturers should listen to. I definitely enjoy your thoughts on the comparison.
Thank you Chris!
Super informative!! Both boats are amazing, but that’s crazy water comes over the back of the nautique haha. Great video!
Thank you! Yea, still can't believe the water over the back.
Water coming over the transom is easily avoidable. Just turn the wheel as you’re coming off plane. This has an added benefit of the wave hitting the back corner of the transom and speeding up the rotation. Gets you back to your rider faster.
I agree that its is easily avoidable but still a design flaw.
@@gregfreestone2293 that makes sense actually, but yeah still a design flaw
@Austin Ueeck rooster tail size is definitely a good indicator of wake size
Have u check out the Montara surf boss 2.0. I have one and I think the wave is great and very close to these
I have, the Montara's are a very good idea but they serve a specific market and I've never been interested in a pontoon style boat myself. The dealership I have a relationship with sells them.
One thing to note with the G (and its a pretty bad usability thing) you need to control both the NSS and the NCRS to shape the wake. With the new ones they did away with separate controls but when we go down on the nss it usually requires changing both. For example for our skim wake we usually do NSS 3 and NCRS 2.
Interesting, I dont think my 2019 has any settings on NSS than left or right. What year is yours?
@@wake_mann 2018. I know the ones with the new hull have that 1-9 setting that the paragon started.. the older ones had NSS 1-5 and NCRS (which is the trim plate) from 1-5. So when you messed with one you had to tweak the other. The newer system eliminated that thankfully because it confused alot of people.
so I just wanted to mention it.. I wasn't sure how the 2019 worked...
Man that would be a pain, sounds like i narrowly missed it, that or I just haven't seen it yet.
@@wake_mann its really this screen images.app.goo.gl/xWimDnwTWo197B7m6
Great, thorough comparison Tim! But you can just say it, as a wakeboarder, Nautique is #1. Haha!
Thanks Ryan! Haha, you are not incorrect.
Get the SewLong Cover for the Nautique. Has the protection like the malibu cover.
Thank you for the info, I will check it out.
Me podrían proporcionar un daler de refacciones malibu
Great video! We’re in the middle of trying to decide between Malibu and Natiq, I would like to buy a G 23 new or one year old, and also looking at the Malibu 220 or 240. May be an MXZ. Just curious your thoughts between the two, it seems like the pricing on Malibu is now cheaper than Nautique and teak seems to have a very big premium on their boats recently. Performance wise I don’t think will see a difference, or beginner to intermediate surfers, interior wise we like the Natiq better. But you have a lot of experience with both those brands and I’m just curious what your thoughts would be between the two
Thank you! You certainly can't go wrong with either brand but Nautique is higher priced because it's higher quality. The performance between the 2 brands is close though. Nautique tends to hold its value better as well. So the question really is, do you want more bang for your buck(malibu), or do you want better quality/resale value(nautique).
@@wake_mann thats great, thanks!
Would you agree a G23 produces a much deeper trough while wakeboarding
I haven't noticed the trough being deeper but physics would say if the wake is taller the trough is probably deeper
11:50 malibu’s now have this
I have a hard time believing this after owning 4 malibus but thats cool if its true.
Can confirm.
Been hoping someone would make a video like this, I own a 2022 23 LSV. After using it for the holidays there is alot of “functionality” issues if I may say. I feel like the nautique has a couple more things in terms of usability and storage.
I haven not been able to see for myself as there are very few G23s in South Africa, I have only seen one which was a 2015 Model, so I dont have the luxury of scoping it out and doing a comparison. I would live to ask you some more questions about these boats?
You are welcome to email me or message me on Instagram with questions.
Hey WakeMann,
What do use for filming your action behind the boat? I'm guessing a go pro? Just got a Gopro this year. Any tips / suggestions for use and mounting, etc.? Thanks!
Gopro for surfing and my phone on a gimbal for wakeboarding. I always mount the gopro with a suction cup mount. I also you a floating selfie stick and a bite mount for first person wakeboarding.
What were your surf settings on the MXZ? MPH, wedge?
I mostly did 10.8 mph and wedge at middle or 1 notch towards steep from middle.
Great video like always 👍🏻
Thank you!
Have you ever seen or been behind an MB?
I haven't been behind one but I've been in and around them several times.
Great video. What surfboard are you using? It looks like it has some type of loops that your feet are in. Is that the case or am I just seeing something that’s not really there?
Thank you! Yes, it is the hyperlite hi-fi with straps. Straps add a another level of fun.
Great content as always. What was your favorite wave set up on your Malibu for surfing?
Thank you! Full evenly weighted ballast, wedge 3 down from vert, speed 10.8
I’m still a huge fan of the g23. You got a really badass boat bro. Love the wakemann merch. I’m actually wearing my tshirt right now. Caught my wife wearing it one day. Told her to get her own lol.
That is awesome! Love the support my friend. Im loving the wake on the G23
I will be ordering a hat for my lake trips but bro I need some stickers to put on my boat. I need to rep to the fullest
That's awesome, email me and I will get you some stickers.
@@wake_mann what would be the best email to get ahold of u
wakemanninfo@gmail.com
Need a thruster on your G23 for turning to compliment the one fin. Helps turning and docking easier.
No sir, I have plenty of experience driving inboards. Im sure they are nice but for the price it does not make sense to a driver with over 1000 hours under their belt.
Sellout should have stayed with Malibu 😆 jk man I’m a hard core Malibu guy but idk what id do if I had the money to buy whatever
Haha, did you watch the whole video? Malibu beats Nautique in many areas in my opinion but I love both brands. It was the dealer that made my decision to go with Nautique. Ideally I would own a boat from both brands and one would sit at my southern lake house for winter and the other would be in Montana for summer, haha. Only a dream away, haha
I did iv surfed both and Malibu is definitely my choice because of the length..iv never been behind a g series boat. A friend of mine has a 2020 24mxz, another has a 2018 23lsv and I have a 06 vlx all other friends have Moombas 🤦♂️ but I want to try out a nautique
Dealer is everything really especially with these new boats
Nice, the latest G series generation is definitely much better. Almost the best of both Malibu and Nautique but I could certainly see where people may still prefer Malibu's wave. Both great waves in my opinion.
@@craigmolson1407 I agree
Love your videos man! Do you think the LT4 would be worth the price to upgrade it if I boat at sea level
Is the LT4 supercharged, if so I don't think it's necessary but if you want to be able to push a boat full of people and full ballast, which will be over capacity, then the supercharger will do it. I am at 3600 ft and the 450 works great for me.
@@wake_mann what’s your picks for the best surf style wake surf boards in 5 foot 10 185.
@@joshraleigh101 I'm probably not a great resource for this as I mostly ride skim but if I were to buy a surf style board I would probably pick something from phase 5, I've ridden the aku and it's the first board I aired on. I also like the hyperlite high end surf style boards but they are expensive.
pavaty vs nautique ???
Wouldn't that be a cool video, although I know which one I would choose. It would still be cool to compare.
My dream boat is the paragon but the powerball isn't working out for me
I hear ya, I love that boat too but dont have any plans to buy one.
Really love all the videos!! I took you’re advice and got a second source of income and now I’m halfway to my own wake boat! Thanks for the great videos and advice it means a lot.
That's awesome! Congrats! Thank you for your support and glad I could help.
No thank you! Definitely gave me another perspective on life and going for your goals. Really appreciate you and your videos keep up the great work!
Every Malibu I’ve ordered came with the option to select ballast bags during the build. They were included when delivered.
I promise you they were dealer installed and made by a different company. Malibu does not put bags in their boats, only hard tanks.
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Water coming over the transom is easily avoidable. Just turn the wheel as you're coming off plane. This has an added benefit of the wave hitting the back corner of the transom and speeding up the rotation. Gets you back to your rider faster.
I have also noticed just give it a little gas when the the rooster tail comes in.
This is what we've been doing, just not ideal