New for 2017 Henry Originals - .45 Colt & Rare Carbine
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I just got the x model .45 colt , I’ve wanted a Henry all my life and now that I have one I want them all
If you handload, you can make the 44-40 deliver just as much "pop" as the 45 Colt, and you can also load the 45 Colt down a bit, if you want less recoil. The two cartridges were both introduced in 1873 and are pretty similar in power, if loaded the same. The 44-40 is a little trickier to load, but not bad once you learn how to go about it.
No so much. Every modern reloading manual SHOULD have a separate .45 Colt section specifically for Ruger New Model Blackhawks and Thompson-Center Contender-family single-shot pistols. While a real Colt SAA (Peacemaker) revolver and replicas of it like the Ubertis, Ruger Vaqueros etc and Taurus Judges should only be used with .45 Colt ammo loaded to the original black-powder power levels, the Blackhawks, Contenders and now Raging Judges will handle .45 Colt loaded to MUCH higher power levels than .44-40.
In fact, many .45 Colt loads in that section of the manual will match or exceed .44 Magnum power levels with the benefit of a significantly larger bullet. Just like .38-caliber bullets are actually smaller than .360" in diameter, so-called .44-caliber bullets are actually .429" in diameter. .45-caliber bullets come in two diameters - jacketed and plated bullets will be .452" in diameter and lead bullets will usually be .454".
I don't beat my guns up with ammo loaded to the "max" level on a regular basis, but I have loaded some .45 Colt to the hot side to have around just in case. Specifically I've loaded 250-grain Hornady XTPs to around 1250 fps (I didn't have a chrono yet at the time I loaded them) and I've got a box of 300-grain XTPs I loaded to around 1150 fps.
Given the huge variety of .45-caliber bullets and molds out there and the fact that because of its larger diameter a .45-caliber bullet of a given weight will require less pressure and powder to achieve the same velocity as a .44-caliber bullet and the availability of revolvers that share the same bullets with .45 Colt while delivering even MORE power, such as 454 Casull, there really is no reason to go with a .44-40. Especially when you're not even getting a true ".44" to begin with.
Another selling point for .45 Colt is the Ruger Blackhawk Convertible, which comes with two cylinders. One is chambered for .45 Colt and the other is chambered for .45 ACP. And since .45-caliber bore sizes have now been standardized in new firearms so that even revolvers have the "pistol" bore diameter where formerly revolver bores were somewhat tighter and would lead more easily with cast bullets sized for pistols, now you can cast or buy something like a 230-grain lead round-nose bullet or a 200-grain SWC and load it in .45 ACP for your 1911 or the .45 ACP cylinder of a Blackhawk Convertible or load it in .45 Colt for a lever-action or the .45 Colt cylinder of the Blackhawk.
And if you want to build the ULTIMATE Blackhawk Convertible, you can have an additional cylinder machined and fitted by a competent gunsmith that will allow you to shoot .45 Auto Rim, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Super and a few other fairly obscure but worthwhile .45-caliber cartridges in a single revolver. It's been a while since a buddy of mine had it all figured out, but I think we determined that the additional cylinder would have to be chambered for .45 Winchester Magnum, which has .45 ACP head and mouth dimensions, and that it would also need to have the chamber end of the cylinder cut for moon clips for .45 Auto Rim and the few other rimmed .45-caliber cartridge.
Actually I think the original .45 ACP cylinder could simply be cut for deeper chambers and modified for moon clips, but I don't like to irreversibly modify guns and the Blackhawk Convertibles could pretty easily be collectors items someday and I wouldn't want to go cutting up the the original .45 ACP cylinder when additional cylinders are $100 or so.
The OTHER ultimate .45-caliber revolver would be a 5-shot revolver like a Freedom Arms Model 97 chambered for .454 Casull and with additional cylinders to to enable it to shoot EVERY .45-caliber cartridge in existence.
Why not go one step further and buy a 460 S&W? You can shoot 454 Casull and 45 Colt from those chambers. You also forgot to mention the 45 "Short" (Schofield) cartridge, which is to the 45 Colt what the 44 Special is to the 44 Rem Mag.
Now, as to the 44/40, Winchester introduced a load for that cartridge to go along with the Model 1892 that had a whole lot more velocity than the original loading for the 1873. It was called the 44 WCF and was loaded pretty darn hot. Some claimed 1,800fps with a 200gr bullet. I've got an original '92 that I load for both plinking and hunting. The plinking load is a 200gr lead bullet at just over 1,000fps, but the hunting load drives the 200gr XTP bullet to just under 1,600fps. At 100 yards or less, it's essentially identical to a 44 Rem Mag out of a carbine length barrel. It is very effective on deer and a great gun to carry in the woods.
While you're right about 44-caliber rifles actually having a bore that is closer to 43, the 44/40 shoots bullets that are .427" in diameter, not .429". That is a distinction without much of a difference, though. The two cartridges were introduced the same year and they're useful for essentially the same things. Perhaps the greatest attribute for either is the ability to have a revolver and a rifle/carbine chambered in the same cartridge. About the only "advantage" the 45 Colt has is more factory ammo options and being easier to reload, due to be a straight-walled case.
Just buy the Ruger Redhawk in .45 Colt/.45 ACP. You won't need to change out the cylinders. The revolver comes with 'moon clips' that you attach your .45 ACP rounds to and they drop right in as a single unit and eject smoothly as a single unit. Well worth the investment if you're going to buy a Henry in .45 Colt and you want something to match it and still be able to shoot the .45 ACP.
Next. Pressures can explode a firearm causing injury or death. Pumping rounds out that exceed the safe pressure levels for a firearm is like playing with the tail of the dragon. Eventually your azz is gonna get burned because if it doesn't explode with that first or second round you may be weakening aspects of that firearm with each and every shot and it WILL eventually suffer a critical failure causing injury or death. Be smart with your reloading. Work your loads up and do not exceed the powder manufacturer's recommended maximum limits. NEVER!
I love 45 Colt. I love Henry rifles.
I'm going to get the Henry .45 Colt Big Boy......and next is a .45 Colt Revolver (Taylors Firearms - Smoke Wagon)......gonna try and keep it Cowboy Western !I have a Henry .22 and love it ! ! !
I love my Big Boy in .357. I am waiting for the .45-70 single shot to become available.
Mike Campbell I got the lever 45-70 and besides the huge thump of the rounds it's a great rifle. I would suggest getting the big boy for multiple shots if open to it
Oh boy, that's the Henry I want!! 13 rounds?! Awesome bruh!! Great lookin' rifle!!
Beautiful woods
One of my dream guns that will never be able to get
That’s the rifle that humbled George Custer and the 7th cavalry at little bighorn
I was thinking about getting the .44 40. But I'm starting to second guess myself right now.
Side loader in 357 please!
thanks dude
But...then it wouldn't be an 1860 Henry...
Sorry to have to correct your statement that the original Henry rifle being chambered in 44-40. It was never chambered in 44-40, it was in fact chambered in 44 Rim fire cartridge as was it's later iteration, 1866 Yellow Boy brass framed rifle with it's new and improved Kings pattern side loading gate.
The first Winchester chambered in 44-40 was the Winchester 1873 rifle. Not the 1860 Henry, or the later Yellow Boy 1866 rifles.
Can't wait for the shotguns
If I get a Henry rifle. I am going to get one chambered in .357 magnum.
Gun Guy
I have the Henry big boy in 357 magnum. I installed Skinner express black and gold sights and could not be happier.
That darn rifle is a lot better shot than me . :)
Gun Guy worth it if u have a 357 saa
falloutpropguy 1
A ruger blackhawk 357 is working out ok for me. I am finding it a challenge to find a truly compatible cartridge that works well in both...
I have the henry 357/38 special in blue steel with the 20 inch barrel and in big loop.plus my marlin 1894 in the same thing that i bought back in the early 1980's.both guns have Nikon buckmaster 3/9/40 bdc scopes on them and in shooting 158 grain soft point ammo,and at 200 yards with my henry I can get half inch groups.with my marlin I get sometimes 2 to 4 inch groups now,so see my Henry is a lot better made gun than my old marlin is both with the same scopes and both with same ammo and both with 20 inch barrels.i also just ordered me the 44 magnum in blue steel big boy with a big loop that I had to pay them extra for,and a brand new original 1860 henry in 45 colt to try to deer hunt with both of them this coming November's deer season here in Virginia now!!!!!
why u telling us?
I WISH Henry would make a 45/70 rifle with a STEEL RECEIVER and especially a STRAIGHT GRIP butt stock.
I have a 45-70 steel Henry. Look at their website.
I hear you but Henry is building a steel version of the .45-70 and .45 Colt too now. I think they finally caught on to the fact that the brass receiver wasn't appealing to everyone. Especially with the modern "tactical" movement underway and how few "shiny" guns are popular or even available today. I know I've never been a big fan of the polished brass of Henry receivers. Just a little too much "bling" for my tastes and I like my guns fairly plain and "flat" and low-maintenance to begin with so that as they age and I use them and invariably put some battle scars on them they don't end up looking like they've been beat to hell and I don't take care of my guns at all. Because I DO take care of my guns. But I also buy them to use and use fairly hard like any other tool I buy.
As for .45-70 Henrys, if I were buying a .45-70, I'm not sure Henry would be my first choice. And if I were just a Henry fanboy and wanted a .45-caliber Henry, I certainly wouldn't buy a .45-70 just for the "wow" factor of having a big rifle like that. If its for plinking or even small game or medium game like deer at close range, .45 Colt will do the job just as well as .45-70 at a fraction of the cost. And if I were looking for a high-powered hunting rifle, there are several other lever-action .45-70s out there that have been around longer and are made by companies with a lot more experience with high-powered rifle cartridges like .45-70 than Henry currently has.
I so want one!
I am a disabled VETERAN and have trouble getting out to the range, but I would love to have one of these rifles, the 45-70 would be nice.
THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
beautiful guns a little pricey but then quality comes with a price... does the carbine some in .45 colt? that would be my choice...
Actually the Henrys are pretty "cheap" as far as .45 Colt lever-actions go. There are a few models that are up there over $1000 MSRP but the plain-jane steel version is under $700 and that's pretty reasonable for a U.S. made lever-action .45 Colt rifle and some of the cheaper foreign-made guns are even more expensive. Time was that the popularity of .30-30 Winchester and Ruger Blackhawks chambered for common lever-action carbine cartridges made lever-actions pretty "cheap" guns.
Especially Marlin 336s, because Winchester and Remington bolt-action rifles and Remington pumps were expensive, premium deer rifles and the "modern" cartridges they were chambered for required a lot more strength and they were time-consuming rifles to build with all the machine work that had to be performed to make a receiver, bolt etc. Then CNC came along, Ruger came out with M77 which was the first real mainstream "challenger" to the Remington 700 and Winchester Model 70 and Savage came out with the 110 and the "economy" bolt-action rifle arms race began.
The old dogs that tended to be .30-30 shooters started kicking the bucket or retiring from deer hunting and the youngsters wanted fast bullets and long ranges so they didn't have to sit all day waiting for a shot with a .30-30 at .30-30 range, and the lever-action market dried up in a hurry. Then Cowboy Action came along and the .45-70 was resurrected from the grave it had occupied for well over a century and there was a big surge in single-action revolver popularity and lever-action carbines and now lever-actions are WAY up there in price. Of course Winchester didn't help that situation by coming out with limited editions and reviving old models every year or two and keeping its lever-actions pretty expensive.
If someone came up with a "budget" but quality lever-action design that was similar but not identical to the traditional rifles and carbines and could get it down to a street price around $400 AND make it or at least a version of it compatible with 9mm, .40, 10mm and .45 ACP I don't think you could build them fast enough. Some "experts" have said it would be too hard to make a lever-action work with rimless cases, but Savage did it in 1899 and sold Model 99s right and left for many decades. Obviously the big challenge would be getting a traditional lever-action look and feel but keeping the actual bolt-travel down to that needed for 10mm cartridges.
Like I said, it's possible but it wouldn't be really easy and definitely not cheap. And maybe the companies making lever-action carbines have considered it, but I doubt they've considered it seriously enough to get past thinking that shooters today are kind of divided into "traditional" and "tactical" with little overlap. The traditional guys are the lever-action or bolt-action hunting rifle and single-action revolver and pump-action or semi-auto hunting shotgun guys while the "tactical" guys are the semi-auto pistol and semi-auto rifle and "sniper" rifle and semi-auto or defense shotgun. I don't think they see the "tactical" guys settling for any firearm they have to manually operate that isn't a shotgun or "sniper" rifle and I also don't think they see the "traditional" guys spending money for a lever-action carbine chambered for a pistol cartridge.
But given the popularity of pistol-caliber carbines and conversions to turn semi-auto pistols into carbines and ARs chambered for pistol cartridges becoming more and more popular at what I think are ridiculous prices, I think there is DEFINITELY a significant market out there for a "high-capacity" compact rifle chambered for pistol cartridges even if its NOT semi-auto. Because the tactical crowd IS okay with pump-action shotguns and bolt-action rifles. And lots of those guys HATE that many of the pistol-caliber carbines only hold 10 rounds. So a lever-action carbine chambered for pistol cartridges that held at least 10 rounds and was "tactical" enough in appearance and wasn't a Hi-Point would sell. And it would crossover to the "traditional" guys that could then go buy or load cheap pistol ammo using dirt-cheap and usually free for the taking brass found on the ground at any range would buy them too. Especially given the huge selection of bullets out there for cheap to reload with AND the fact that .45 ACP can be loaded with lead bullets at 800 fps or so from a pistol for under a nickel around if you scavenge the old bullets and lead to cast your own. And once again, the brass is free in a lot of cases.
Where does the steel and brass come from to make the Henry Rifle?
When is this supposed to be available? Lists out of stock, and only 44-40 version appears on the auction sites.
should be available from you FFL
How hot can I reload my Henry 45lc. Another words how strong is the rifle?
sweet !!
All Henry rifles have loading tube!
I want one! The carbine. What's the price. 😖
How much canned snow did 22plinkster buy?
It's that damned Yankee rifle that they load on Sunday and shoot all week long.
Henry plz make more shotguns atleast a double barrel plz
Are any Henry's going to have a load gate?
I hope, it's the only reason I havent bought one yet.
I'll still buy one now. but the gate would make it easier to reload while moving.
I hope NOT, I think they will stick to the Henry traditional tube load they started with. It sets them apart from all the other lever gun makers. And much easier to load.
Tracy Hubbard The tube load of today is not the traditional tube load of yesterday. We're not calling for them to stop selling that model either, just to make one with a gate.
Squibbins Squeegler
Exactly
isnt the Uberti in 45 colt?
Late response but yes it is, and the Uberti shoots phenomenally.
Dude didn’t even show the beat part . The loading