@@walshknwsbest no it’s not, because he doesn’t think then locks in his opinion and that’s that… Take his thoughts on Eric Ten Hag for example, he’s allowed to think he’s rubbish but the only argument he’s ever put forward to support it is “8th in the league” and “you’re man united! Where’s the standards” where’s the logic? Last season for Eric ten hag wasn’t good, but he also had to play OVER 30 different defensive combinations in one season, of that the same combination of centre backs didn’t play together more than 3 times! He had to deal with Sancho, Ronaldo AND Greenwood in his time aswell. He can still think he’s rubbish with all that in mind but he literally cannot argue against anything! He literally just repeats his original statement again and again whilst ignoring the valid points that he’s been presented with
youre still shit and will win nothing under arteta. he won a fa cup with emerys team. changed everything spent 900m and has won fuck all. Arteta is a joke
I understand what Buvey is saying. Like Sean Dyche was never relegated with Burnley, then Kompany brought them up and immediately got sent down. One’s managing Bayern, the other is managing Everton
It's an absolute myth that Emery failed at PSG btw. Won the domestic treble, which is only France but had never been done before, and has the highest points per game in PSG's history
Buvey makes a great point at the start. It speaks to Ange’s story. He’s a victim of geography. There is a bias where the European football establishment view anyone from Asia as inferior, regardless of the fact that he’s won four titles in Australia, a title in Japan where he doesn’t speak the language; 5 trophies at Celtic; an international trophy, the Asian Cup & 25 years of coaching experience; more than any other manager in the premier league.
@@Deathmare235 Didn't he say if he won with Everton then he could've went to Real Madrid? I think he meant that if he pulled something like that against Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool that he'd have a chance to be somewhere bigger. The way he makes things sound is a bit overdramatic but it would definitely boost his chances at higher managerial positions
PSG was ROBBED by barcelona at that game, there is NOTHING embarrassing about being robbed at broad daylight by a team and losing due to it, i love this historic revisionism to defend your arguments.
Emery disrespect is unreal in these comments he didnt fail in psg he was there 2 seasons and won 5 trophies out of 8 two of those 8 being champions league which is a hard thing to win. At arsenal he got them two points from champions league position first season after wenger left. And he took them two a final If he was given the time that they gave. Arteta he may of won more than arteta has. I say may as no guarantee ss he didnt stay there . But look what he done at villa took them from 17 to champions league and they look like they'd be there again this season . He is just classed as underated as arsenal fired him is just lazy journalism and lazy pundits who slated hin because the way he spoke . The media always wanted arteta to make it because of they could make city arsenal as a big game for extra money . Pep vs his apprentice. Thats also why they was hoping kompany could of done the same
@@Deathmare235 congratulations to arteta on finishing second 🤣 ten Haag a better manager than arteta more trophies prove that in two seasons he has more trophies in England than arteta in 6 👀
Emery vs Arteta is definitely the spiciest topic in premier league managers. I think that people don't talk about the pressure at top clubs right. Calling it "pressure" kind of hides the actual difficulties. Man U is probably the highest pressure club in the world in terms of Manager expectations and having to deal with superstars and a stubborn board. Maybe Emery is worse than Arteta at getting a team of superstars to listen. But when teams work with Emery he is definitely a tactician who can take wins in knockout stages.
The Ball Knowledge here is genuinely shocking! These guys flip everything into suiting their agenda. Just say it how it is lads🤣🤣In terms of entertainment great as always!
You have to remember Emery's failure to manage the big players at Arsenal. That's where Arteta has had his biggest success. He removed all of those bad eggs. He would not do a better job at Chelsea or Manchester United, he is suited to the 4-10 teams
Arteta was allowed to finish 8th two years in a row. Emery had a toxic team he needed time to clear out and was sacked for finishing higher. Arteta has been given far more rope than Emery had and has benefitted from a better structure under Kronke and Edu than Emery had. It's just objectively true.
Emery didn't win anything in his first 10 years managing, I'll bet you didn't even know that.😉 Arteta has only been a manager 5 after a 3 year rebuild and already has a cup under his belt but expected to have won more than Emery with 15 years less managing time. He's already slapped Emery's Villa away this season when it mattered. If Emery wins something at Villa within the same 5 year period as Arteta, who is already expected to win the PL and CL, then we can compare. 😉
I honestly don't think Emery would have succeeded at Arsenal. Not because he's a bad manager, I think he's great but because of the environment he walked into, the culture at the club had fallen big time towards the end of Wenger's reign, the amount of toxicity in the squad and anyone following Wenger almost seemed destined to fail, like Moyes after Fergie. I only think Arteta was allowed the time he was given was because of his prior links to the club. I'm glad things worked out with us and Arteta and that Emery found success at Villareal and is doing well at Villa
@@helicoptersrkool And what did Arteta do last season against Villa apart from drop 6 points? All they needed was a draw out of those 2 games and they win the league, so Emery wins that one. Emery could give away 2 of his European Titles to Arsenal and they still wouldn't have more than him as a whole club. Also, he never failed at PSG. He did the League and Cup double with them, so that narrative is bollocks. Arteta needs to get over the line in the league or he'll get "Gareth Southgate" syndrome - There's only so long you can be a "nearly" merchant before questions get asked.
Arteta would not perform as well as he did taking over as he later did. But he would have done better. Ppl forget, when emery was fired we were around 12th in the league. We had gone some 8 games or so with no win.
Arteta has been a manager for 4 years and came twice in the league getting Arsenal back in the Champions League for the first time in years and losing by 1 goal away to Bayern. How you comparing him to managers who have managed multiple clubs and have almost 2 decades of experience 😂 Mugs!
Rory: "He (Conte) turned a VERY AVERAGE team into a team that ended the year with 93 points" The team (who won the league a year before Contes appointment): Hazard, Courtois, Kante, Fabregas, Costa, Willian, Matic, Terry, Cahil, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta...
@@yonuqu there were multiple factors why that season was so bad. It's obvious that season was nowhere near a true reflection of their talent when they won the league literally before and after with the same players (minus Kante)
They all change their standards based on who they are talking about. Is it just Trophies, or just winning percentage, or just playing style? dose the support from owners/summer budget matter? If you are no measuring using the same standards then its hard to come to the same understanding of the task.
@@Sjay1512 Not arguing for him to be top 3 or anything, just pointing out that none of them are using consistent metrics to make their lists ... Ange should be placed higher on their list than other managers who haven't won any silverware.
@@Deathmare235 No not at all. Compare cv arteta 1 fa cup in 4 yrs. Emery 4 Europa league 2 French league 2 French Cup. Not even close. Also took villarreal team full of prem flops to champions league semi. Transformed Villa from battling relegation to champions league in less than 2 yrs. Has taken 6 different teams into champions league.
@@Deathmare235Emery is clear of Arteta. Emery's biggest achievement is winning a Europa League and reaching a Champions League semifinal with Villarreal while knocking out Juventus and Bayern Munich, Farteta's is spending 700 Million to bottle two league titles to Man City.
I wouldn't call it luck with Mourinho. I can't stand the guy, but he was a translator at Barca but Van Gaal saw his potential and brought him in as an assistant. That's not luck, thats having a skill set and a manager promoting you into a position you earned.
Komany was highly praised for his mangement before he got into the PL. He showed he had a great understanding of the game and he's destroying everyone in the BL. Dych is a limited outdated manager
Slot achieved more than Ten Hag in the Netherlands... Slot would have won a title with AZ if not for COVID. Then he took Feyenoord from debts and non-contention to a title and European runs yearly...
Anytime people wanna criticize arteta the excuse is always “oh it’s his first job! It’s unfair! He plays pretty football” so should we just not rank him? Should we give him a pass for bottling the league twice? If emery would’ve bottled the league from the position arteta was in, he’d be laughed out of England. Emery is a serial winner. If you wanna win trophies get emery, if you want a man that maybe might deliver a trophy but for sure will get you 2nd place get arteta
@@adam-z9e2j won the league at PSG and took a broken Arsenal team to a Europa League final. I'm not ignoring anything and since you decided to chime in, why don't you answer my question?
It's always frustrating when this Unai/Arteta debate comes up. People completely ignore why Sevilla was always in the Europa League under Emery. They either had poor league form or they finished 3rd in their group in the Champions League. Unai Emery's champions League form is absolutely horrendous. Winning Europa Leagues is obviously impressive, but there's a reason we're talking about that instead of the Champions League. He wasn't good enough
oh so what had arteta done in champions league to back against emery..... he beat flick's bayern one of the scariest team of all time and reach semis.... arteta lost to weakest bayern in decades in the quaters..... building legacy on second that too two time to master of europa and most efficient manager in PL.... managing big team is about what to do with all these resources while small team is about what can i do with these resources......
@kamnudanyianwangsu3378 there zero point trying to compare emery career to arteta 5 year career, who came in having to fix one of the worst squads and one of the worst mentality of a big club. So trying to diminish what he's done by saying "he lost to bayern" even tho it was a young squads in their first ucl campaign aswell as arsenal first ucl campaign since around the 2016s
@@itshurtt395 he has done good but still not comparable to emery at all.... He has nothing to show for all his accomplishments.... If him coming second is a legacy then you are embarrassing him more.... Emery a serial winner and managing a much budget side and still is neck and neck with every side in PL.... not to mention his other accomplishments... Even xavi considered flop won la liga with a good real and athletico competing... Come with arteta argument after he has won something no one's gonna remember second not to mention his bottle job 2 season back... Bottling so good lead in the end... That's on him and him only not on city being very good....
I get his point about Thomas Frank deserving a bigger club but at the same time i can’t see it going well. If u move to a top 6 team ur target is trophies and i don’t think he has enough to win a trophy or finish top 4 so he won’t last long, i think his ceiling is that 7-10th placed teams but id argue he should try and make brentford that team rather than just moving to one. He could go to west ham, brighton, Newcastle and do well with them, maybe push the lower european positions but why do that after all the love he has for brentford
Emery pulled up to the emirates last year & pulled Arteta’s pants down. Talking about pressure, Arteta was in a title race and folded twice. Done fuck all in the champions league. Spent a fortune and his biggest achievement is finishing 2nd, which Jose and Ole did with an even worse United team.
Arteta has been under pressure 3 times in his career. First, when they were competing for UCL in their second season, and they choked at Spurs. Second, when they were 8 points clear in the previous season, and they choked, and then last season, when they had the title in their hands by drawing at City, and then choked against Villa, the very Emery they are crying about. In terms of handling pressure, Arteta has failed to do so every single time. Does that Fulham supporter not watch the football he claims no one else watches. To put Arteta even in the same conversation, is an utter disrespect to the sport.
Its a joke that people are comparing Arteta with Emery. Emery is a serial European cup winner. Arteta only cries in his interviews, criticizing this and that and he won a cup four years ago which was not his team by the way.
@@MrMonkeyHat Villa are a fantastic club, one of the big ones in Europe. But they're not a top club. And that's the point... Emery is at his level right now. Right where he needs to be.
31:00 rory is right for once. No matter how many accolades pep collects and how he implemented the modern methodical style of football. Ferguson was one of a kind that will never be topped. Brought a 3rd division side fighting relegation to division one champs in 3 season. Then his European and domestic success at aberdeen that is second to none in Scotland. AND THEN, his whole mancherster united career and being able to maintain the top level of success for that long. Pep genuinely could never, and especially in the future, his manchester city success will surely be tarnished soon enough.
You could just as easily say Fergie could never do what Pep has done? What you’re doing is holding Pep superiority against him. Pep literally took a barca side, which the year before were failing. Had one of its worst campaigns in their history and won the sextuple in his first year of management. The first manager to win the treble in Spain, beating Fergie in a final btw. At Man City, he did what Fergie literally said was impossible to do (the domestic treble). It’s a lot closer than most people think. What you’re implying is disingenuous and clearly agenda driven.
@renerowe14715 you dont even know my affiliations to understand where a bias can form from. Pep definitely has to be given dues, but lest we forget; the barca team had prodigies such as iniesta, xavi, messi, busquets etc. And saying he inherited a horrendous squad is lunacy. Then at bayern, he has been regarded as ruining german football due to his methodical play and won no european silverware with the european giants. And alas at City, he definitely inherited an endless budget along with already a league winning team. He has been gifted with world class players at every destination hes been at and before you say he turned them into world class, some maybe yes, but majorly not. Have you seen the squad that fergie won the league with lastly? Pep genuinely could never do that and would probably admit that himself.
@@mfcchris499 I don’t need to know your affiliation cos it’s clear you have an agenda against Pep lol. Pep has nothing to prove to anyone. I can list things Fergie has never done and Pep has, in the same country Fergie spent the majority of his career in? Saying Fergie is better because of Aberdeen and what he won there is the most ridiculous thing ever. If Fergie so clear of him, why is Pep responsible for him losing two CL finals? You’re literally holding Pep superiority against him. I’ve just told you Fergie couldn’t do what Pep has done just like you’re telling me “Pep could never do what Fergie has done” and you can’t accept it 🤣 What you’re doing is acting like anyone could do what Pep has done with the teams he has built which is disingenuous and clearly agenda driven because nobody has, that’s why he is regarded as an all timer and to some if not most, the greatest. The rest of what you’re saying is full of misinformation and just lazy analysis.
Leicester City best sporting achievement, Rory!? Brian Clough 👋🏼 Nottingham Forest back to back European Cup winners. Winning title 1st season back in top flight and 42 games unbeaten 🙌🏻 the invincibles before Arsenal.
He is so disrespected. Never had the luxury of finances unlike most other clubs. Doesn’t get any plaudits because of the ‘way he plays football’ but that type of football got him results and surely results should be priority. Got Burnley into Europe on merit with the lowest transfer budget and still achieved two top ten positions in the league. Deserved a better job than Everton atm. And if he wasn’t Everton manager I don’t think they’d have stayed up last 2 years
Fulham fan over there probably thinks it's harder to win the league with PSG than to win the league with Leicester because why else would you think it's tougher to manage to win things at Arsenal than it is to win any European silverware with Villarreal or get to the Champions League semi-final?
The hardest thing is to win trophies and what has Emery done? "won trophies at the lesser clubs" He thinks he's making a point, when in reality he's proving why Emery is better. Arteta can't win with a massive club like Arsenal. Meanwhile Emery is winning trophies with the likes of Villarreal - knocking Artetas Arsenal out on the way.
Standard deluded Arsenal fan thinking Arteta is SO much better than he is 😂. It's not to say Arteta doesn't have a higher ceiling (because I think he'll ultimately end with a better CV THAN Unai BUT so FAR Unai has had a better Premier League manager AND better CV overall than Arteta & I have absolutely no idea why it's even a debate
@@spacecowboy6222 Don't rate Ange, but still don't understand some people's obsession with trophies. It is a terrible way of measuring managers or players
Please stop saying Emery in Europe. There is far more to the man than Europe. I have to say that to run up the table like what he has done from 17th place 4th is huge pressure. All done with 3 ACL's by way of Mings, Kamara & Bunedia. Everything happening at Villa is far more impressive than Emery's record in Europe. It's the time taken to get our club back up and running where we belong. Arteta is a tit. The pressure of Managing Villa is far more pressure than what Emery has done before but he still gets the cigar out and does his touchline dances like it's just easy. He has been given the keys to our kingdom, which I have to add is something Arsenal would never do which was their downfall. I heard that Unai when at Arsenal wanted Wengers pictures taken down from around Arsenal Stadium. PSG isn't worth speaking about, others have failed at PSG. PSG no longer attracts the same media attention & shirt sales have declined since the departures of Messi & Neymar. The club and Ligue 1 have lost their bargaining power in sponsorship negotiations and overseas TV deals. Technically he is on par with Pep, yes....he is. When we destroyed Man City in the only show on earth to do so ever to Pep....that says it all....go on....watch it back. Wolves played us recently and suffocated our midfield knowing that if they didn't the score line would have been like that of a cricket match. Unai was 1-0 down so he did his thing bringing on our wide players to technically out do poor Gary the novice with his limited knowledge and the midfield opened up like the fucking Dead sea opened by Jesus!! Gary got pay back from no hand shake last time out. Wolves then, with no option but to capitulate going out wide giving Barkley and Co free regin and the rest was history. Unai isn't perfect but no one is.
Emery is the far more successful manager right now, but it's not unreasonable to think that Arsenal's performances under Arteta suggest he has the potential to ultimately win more. Time will tell, but we're comparing someone who's been managing for 18 years with someone who's only been managing for 4.
@@villa_fan8882 Not really, because the best current is obviously arteta, or emery would be in a job like arteta, and they're comparing previous results and achievements. So it's a combination it seems like
@@villa_fan8882 which one, that arteta is currently better than emery? If emery was currently as good as arteta, he would be wanted by the same top clubs as arteta as, like Barcelona. But he isn’t, cause like they talk about in the video, those sort of clubs aren’t for emery. He is far better at Aston villa and that “level” of teams, and will do better than arteta can do there
@@Lasse1398 He is but Villa won’t let him go and Emery doesn’t want to go. Why is managing a big club and not winning anything considered success Arteta has won basically nothing and every time he’s had the chance he’s choked. put Arteta in charge at Villa and see what he does because I can bet Villa wouldn’t get top 4 with Arteta.
How are they gonna sit there and say Emry cant do it at a big club and Arteta can when Arteta has done nothing but bottle premier league titles the past 2 seasons and not win a single trophy
People putting Arteta over Emery have lost their minds. Emery is closer to Guardiola than he is to Arteta. European trophies are the highest honour in this sport and people try to convince you that getting 2nd in a domestic league after spending approx. 600 million is somehow more impressive.
@@user-gi7tg4bp8b Points per game in Premier League: - Emery: 1.87 - Arteta: 1.87 Pretty impressive if he has only done mid table compared to Arteta at a club like Arsenal. Not to mention that's just the Premier League. If we include trophies, longevity and europe.... there isn't a leg for Arteta to stand on.
@@em_si25 years of managerial experience across multiple countries, trophies everywhere he’s gone both at the club and international level, tactical flexibility, expansive and entertaining style of play, first Australian manager to manage in the EPL, and i think most importantly he earned to be where he is, he wasnt handed it. He’s easily in the top 10 and bordering in the top 5 for me
@@thatkidg123 yeah they talk about geography being unfair ange started managing a fucken semi pro team in melbourne and has ended up at spurs 😂the true definition of started from the bottom
you shouldnt. there is no club in the world taking unai emery over mikel arteta right now. unai is a fantastic manager but he cannot handle big expectations with powerful boards. arteta manages upwards as well as downwards and has turned arsenal into the best defensive team in the world. unai has never made his team the best anything in the world. as soon as arsenal win a premier league under him this debate can be put to rest
That ‘rubbish’ man utd side did the double over Villa last season with one of the wins when they were 2-0 down. The ‘rubbish’ Chelsea side knocked Villa out of the cup.
Don't try to use logic with these clowns. They want Arsenal fans to feel bad so they clutch at straws but we get to watch good football every week and they don't so they're a little salty
@@Osas-097gh And yet after all of that Villa finished 4th, Chelsea 6th, Man U 8th. Emery had been at Villa almost 2 years now and during that period Villa has been 4th in points behind City, Arsenal, Liverpool with Villa having around one third of the budget the big 6 teams have😎✌
This Emery vs Arteta waffle at the end is wild. Emery is levels above. Impressive to make Rory look like the one with sense when he didn't even prepare the right list for the conversation. 😂
@@vicvinegar4540 lfc wanted to interview numerous managers. Xabi told them hes staying so never did the interview. Amorim and slot were interviewed and LFC decided to go for Slot. Amorim then left to go interview with West Ham after LFC said no to him. He rejected West Ham. He later had to apologize to sporting fans. Hope that clarifies things for you
Emery > Arteta all day every day. The Arteta fanboys try to use the fact he lost a ligue 1 title to THAT Monaco team which included Mbappe, Bernado Silva, Fabinho etc, and reached the UCL semi's beating Man City. He is still statistically one of the best managers PSG has ever had
Arteta over Emery is absolutely comedy Emery has WON the trophies He’s come top 4 with VILLA. Arteta has choked time and time again. Hardly “done well under pressure”
You are trying to speak about how good Villa is and slander Arteta for losing to him in the same breath 😂 You have to pick one little guy. Villa also beat city 4-1 and Arsenal dropped points to bournemouth due to an offside goal not being checked
How anyone can say Arteta is a better manager than Emery and say they’re sane is unreal. The disrespect on Emery just because he ‘failed’ at Arsenal. Honestly name a manager who could have replaced Wenger and succeeded when the club was in such a mess. Shocking opinion from some people. Emery has so much more on his CV than Arteta has and surely we’re talking about the now and not about the future
@@Deathmare235wouldn’t fail what? One cup and a few charity shields is all he has to show for at Arsenal. Emery would have won more anyways, if he got as much time. And he didn’t get money for Rice, Gabriel and Saliba
Unai won Europa 3x in row with Sevilla, do you know how that happens? meaning he got knocked out of the UCL back to back in the group stages. Unai has been a manager for over 2 decades, didn’t win anything in the first 10years, Mikel is just 5years in with an FA cup. Don’t let anyone gaslight you by mentioning he’s won Europas, Unai can’t manage expectations at PSG he came in when they had won the Ligue 1 4x in a row and lost to Monaco
@JJJJJ269 I expect people who have opinions on football to actually watch it, and if you watch football, you know Arteta is a top-class manager. Funny how everyone sucked off Bielsa and disregarded his trophy count even though he's been managing multitudes longer than Arteta.
I hope Thomas Frank never takes the Spurs job - Levy is the undertaker and Spurs is the graveyard for managers. On Emery - Buvey is spot on: NO ONE has succeeded in Europe with PSG because it's a squad of individuals. Arteta is valued on potential, but he's won bollocks thus far.
Not sure what this whole perception of Arteta is all about? He’s won an Fa cup? ETH has won 2 trophies in 2 years at Utd after taking over a shitshow and Arteta (he also took over a bit of shambles tbf) has been in charge of Arsenal for like 6 years now?
Arteta is showing clear signs of progress as Arsenal manager. ETH isn't. Yes Ten Hag has lucked his way to a couple of trophies but there's a reason why United fans have been disgusted with their team in recent years whereas Arsenal fans have been very content or even happy. One team is clearly moving in the right direction.
@@tomzknight7412 not saying United are not in a tough position because they do and they have a lot of problems. They have a lot of ground to make up on the likes of city Liverpool Chelsea etc. but the point of elite sports is to win. Something Arteta has yet to do. They can be “nearly” and “right direction” fc as much as they like. Warra trophy
@@Stefanossssssssssss I guess there is where we disagree. If elite sport is all about winning and ETH has 2 trophies in 2 seasons then why are so many United fans unhappy with their team, why are they miserable 9/10 game weeks? Fans love to say it's all about trophies but it really isn't, performance matters. What a fan with a season ticket has to endure for 20+ games matters. I would rather watch a team that plays good football and fights for the league than a team that is mid table quality but wins a Carabao every now and then personally. (I'm not an Arsenal fan btw)
@@tomzknight7412 Na I get what you’re saying mate, we see it different but I can certainly respect your opinion. Every Arsenal fan I speak to is a lot more content than any Utd fan I speak to 😂
Sometimes buvey is the only one with a brain. Slot has already made Liverpool one of the best teams in the league. ETH has united a mid tabe team. Embarrassing to put him above slot. Battered eth at home says enough.
I understand the argument for emery over arteta, but arteta has done a great job rebuilding arsenal. Also his first job all the other top 10 manager have loads of experience
Were they high while doing this? They said it's based off of premier league but went on to justify their rankings based on trophies they've won outside of the premier league...
The metric of their CV on a current top 10 manager (based on form) doesnt make any sense. It should only factor their acheivements in the prem and how their clubs have performed under their management. E.g. Ten Hag should never sniff being in top 10, hes a managaer that gets berated every week for how bad he is yet hes in all your top 10s. Hence the metric of their successes in other leagues is irrelevant.
Winning the Asia cup is far harder than winning the Europa league, just because of the probability and level of each team. Also, Ange achieved more in his first season than Arteta did at his first season, if we are using that argument.
Not having Ten Hag in a list is wild. United are playing shit but he's won more trophies in England than everyone in the list apart from Pep. Also bossed the Eredivisie with Ajax.
Buvey going off about structure and executives not helping a club yet the only reason his clubs won anything is because they got their back room in order and broke all the rules is hilarious
The hate for Arteta by buvey and Rory is unprecedented. It’s his first managerial role and he’s going toe to toe with one of the best managers of all time! I take arteta any day
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Rory was that kid at school that when you’re discussing a question after an exam that you all thought the answer was 376, he somehow got Colombia
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Yeah but the kid was dyslexic@@sloppygoo
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@@sloppygoo that’s a university mate
Buvey not understanding the concept that a debate is intended to provoke thought and change minds is a biiiig insight into why he is the way he is
Tbf it’s dumb how easy John folds especially since it’s Liverpool
Good to have one on the table that is fully decisive tho
@@walshknwsbest no it’s not, because he doesn’t think then locks in his opinion and that’s that…
Take his thoughts on Eric Ten Hag for example, he’s allowed to think he’s rubbish but the only argument he’s ever put forward to support it is “8th in the league” and “you’re man united! Where’s the standards” where’s the logic?
Last season for Eric ten hag wasn’t good, but he also had to play OVER 30 different defensive combinations in one season, of that the same combination of centre backs didn’t play together more than 3 times! He had to deal with Sancho, Ronaldo AND Greenwood in his time aswell.
He can still think he’s rubbish with all that in mind but he literally cannot argue against anything! He literally just repeats his original statement again and again whilst ignoring the valid points that he’s been presented with
@@Deathmare235 not even slightly, what argument could he actually have presented?
Tbh most people never change their mind in a debate people say it’s to change peoples opinions but really it’s just and excuse to argue
We lost in the final to Barcelona under Wenger in 2006, so no, Unai didn't get us the furthest we've been in the last 20 years.
Semis in 09 aswell
unai emery did not even get arsenal to a champions league spot
@@d.s5508he had one season. Arteta also failed in his first season
youre still shit and will win nothing under arteta. he won a fa cup with emerys team. changed everything spent 900m and has won fuck all. Arteta is a joke
@@Admiral_Kekdogrealistically he’s failed every season. It’s Arsenal. They should be winning and they win nothing
Rory with the Barclaysmen list of greatest managers. 😂😂
I understand what Buvey is saying. Like Sean Dyche was never relegated with Burnley, then Kompany brought them up and immediately got sent down. One’s managing Bayern, the other is managing Everton
But then it's quite unfair to compare Kompanys short managerial career to Dyches much longer career
Dyche got relegated with burnely in 2015..
because boovey is doing surface level analysis lmao, theres lots of reasons for that but the main one is playstyle
It‘s a fair point, but when you then consider that he‘s pur Lopetegui (a shit coach) in 6th solely because of his CV, it‘s rather hypocritical.
@@georgeread8186and then did what? Brought em back up
Poor editor is gonna be sentenced to listening to Rory for the rest of time after this one 😭
It's an absolute myth that Emery failed at PSG btw. Won the domestic treble, which is only France but had never been done before, and has the highest points per game in PSG's history
And got completely robbed against Barca in the CL
Wish the two donuts who put him 3rd could read this.
That’s just a die, the Uber eats treble has been done plenty of times and out of 4 of them emery had the worst ucl finish
@@howardbradley6753he’s nowhere near arteta
@@Deathmare235 yes we all agree Emery is miles clear, as Rory said, Emery is closer to Pep than Arteta
Buvey makes a great point at the start. It speaks to Ange’s story. He’s a victim of geography. There is a bias where the European football establishment view anyone from Asia as inferior, regardless of the fact that he’s won four titles in Australia, a title in Japan where he doesn’t speak the language; 5 trophies at Celtic; an international trophy, the Asian Cup & 25 years of coaching experience; more than any other manager in the premier league.
Let’s see what he does this season
But also I get Rorys view too because now he has the opportunity doesn't he? He can show it with Tottenham
@@alexnawrot8464then again Rory said Sean Dyche could’ve went to Real Madrid cause he was in Everton
@@Deathmare235 Didn't he say if he won with Everton then he could've went to Real Madrid? I think he meant that if he pulled something like that against Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool that he'd have a chance to be somewhere bigger. The way he makes things sound is a bit overdramatic but it would definitely boost his chances at higher managerial positions
They are inferior leagues though
Putting lopetegui in this list just Tells everything about buvey’s ball knowledge
Fucking hell Lopetegui is horrible
PSG was ROBBED by barcelona at that game, there is NOTHING embarrassing about being robbed at broad daylight by a team and losing due to it, i love this historic revisionism to defend your arguments.
Emery disrespect is unreal in these comments he didnt fail in psg he was there 2 seasons and won 5 trophies out of 8 two of those 8 being champions league which is a hard thing to win.
At arsenal he got them two points from champions league position first season after wenger left. And he took them two a final
If he was given the time that they gave. Arteta he may of won more than arteta has. I say may as no guarantee ss he didnt stay there .
But look what he done at villa took them from 17 to champions league and they look like they'd be there again this season . He is just classed as underated as arsenal fired him is just lazy journalism and lazy pundits who slated hin because the way he spoke . The media always wanted arteta to make it because of they could make city arsenal as a big game for extra money . Pep vs his apprentice. Thats also why they was hoping kompany could of done the same
And arteta is still better than emery
@@Deathmare235 congratulations to arteta on finishing second 🤣 ten Haag a better manager than arteta more trophies prove that in two seasons he has more trophies in England than arteta in 6 👀
@@Deathmare235 how? arteta isnt better than ETH
@rajimus enjoy ETH mate. He truly is world class and it's a shame we can't replace Arteta with him. Guess we'll have to suffer 🤷♂️
Stop smoking weed bruh it's turning your brains into mush
16:45 I hate Ten hag but "lost to Spurs" It was literally the same Spurs that knocked City out a round prior 😂😂
Emery vs Arteta is definitely the spiciest topic in premier league managers. I think that people don't talk about the pressure at top clubs right. Calling it "pressure" kind of hides the actual difficulties. Man U is probably the highest pressure club in the world in terms of Manager expectations and having to deal with superstars and a stubborn board. Maybe Emery is worse than Arteta at getting a team of superstars to listen. But when teams work with Emery he is definitely a tactician who can take wins in knockout stages.
Is this the same guy saying ‘do you watch football?’ Who put Liam Delap in a top 10 striker list?
Mate, you don’t watch football.
The Ball Knowledge here is genuinely shocking! These guys flip everything into suiting their agenda. Just say it how it is lads🤣🤣In terms of entertainment great as always!
FACTS
You have to remember Emery's failure to manage the big players at Arsenal. That's where Arteta has had his biggest success. He removed all of those bad eggs. He would not do a better job at Chelsea or Manchester United, he is suited to the 4-10 teams
Arteta was allowed to finish 8th two years in a row. Emery had a toxic team he needed time to clear out and was sacked for finishing higher.
Arteta has been given far more rope than Emery had and has benefitted from a better structure under Kronke and Edu than Emery had. It's just objectively true.
It was night and day, there was a clear shift in everything when Arteta came in, it was honestly getting pathetic under Emery, everyone had given up.
Emery didn't win anything in his first 10 years managing, I'll bet you didn't even know that.😉 Arteta has only been a manager 5 after a 3 year rebuild and already has a cup under his belt but expected to have won more than Emery with 15 years less managing time. He's already slapped Emery's Villa away this season when it mattered. If Emery wins something at Villa within the same 5 year period as Arteta, who is already expected to win the PL and CL, then we can compare. 😉
@@helicoptersrkool Arteta won that FA Cup with Emerys team. Since he built his own team… 0 trophies.
I honestly don't think Emery would have succeeded at Arsenal. Not because he's a bad manager, I think he's great but because of the environment he walked into, the culture at the club had fallen big time towards the end of Wenger's reign, the amount of toxicity in the squad and anyone following Wenger almost seemed destined to fail, like Moyes after Fergie. I only think Arteta was allowed the time he was given was because of his prior links to the club. I'm glad things worked out with us and Arteta and that Emery found success at Villareal and is doing well at Villa
@@helicoptersrkool And what did Arteta do last season against Villa apart from drop 6 points? All they needed was a draw out of those 2 games and they win the league, so Emery wins that one. Emery could give away 2 of his European Titles to Arsenal and they still wouldn't have more than him as a whole club. Also, he never failed at PSG. He did the League and Cup double with them, so that narrative is bollocks. Arteta needs to get over the line in the league or he'll get "Gareth Southgate" syndrome - There's only so long you can be a "nearly" merchant before questions get asked.
Emery had the unenviable task of taking over from Wenger. If it was Arteta taking over from Wenger, how would he have fared?
Fired after 6 months, facts
@@user-ik9yh6rh9enot facts at all.
Arteta took over a squad similar to what emery took over. Both had holes in it. Arteta won an FA cup in 4 months so no he would not have been fired.
Arteta would not perform as well as he did taking over as he later did. But he would have done better. Ppl forget, when emery was fired we were around 12th in the league. We had gone some 8 games or so with no win.
Might’ve won a league but of course emery had to screw it up
Having Rory do the all time list along with theres was genuinely making me laugh 😂 great stuff lads
No one:
Rory: Bobby Robson
Endrick ahh answers 😂
@@aisosaihamadifferent bobby mate
Emery is the king of the mid table teams but not above that, europa leagues and 7th-10th place teams is his level and he’s amazing at them
Arteta has been a manager for 4 years and came twice in the league getting Arsenal back in the Champions League for the first time in years and losing by 1 goal away to Bayern. How you comparing him to managers who have managed multiple clubs and have almost 2 decades of experience 😂 Mugs!
lmfao thats the softest excuses for failure ive seen. hes done nothing and will contunue to do so.
Assna fans really think arteta is the 2nd coming of christ 😂. To compare arteta to emery is a a disgrace. 😂
Rory: "He (Conte) turned a VERY AVERAGE team into a team that ended the year with 93 points"
The team (who won the league a year before Contes appointment):
Hazard, Courtois, Kante, Fabregas, Costa, Willian, Matic, Terry, Cahil, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta...
and got 10th......
@@yonuqu there were multiple factors why that season was so bad. It's obvious that season was nowhere near a true reflection of their talent when they won the league literally before and after with the same players (minus Kante)
They all change their standards based on who they are talking about. Is it just Trophies, or just winning percentage, or just playing style? dose the support from owners/summer budget matter? If you are no measuring using the same standards then its hard to come to the same understanding of the task.
Classic Rory move, he just does what he wants 🤣
If silverware is used as a metric to judge managers in this list (such as Emery over Arteta) Ange should be much higher ...
Is this comment serious? What significant trophy has Ange won?
@@Sjay1512Asian cup
@@Sjay1512 Not arguing for him to be top 3 or anything, just pointing out that none of them are using consistent metrics to make their lists ... Ange should be placed higher on their list than other managers who haven't won any silverware.
@@jinayvora6240 Sunday league champs isn't a significant trophy.
@@Sjay1512casual
2 CLUELESS anti Unai Emery haters. Lost all respect for both of them. Woeful takes.
You’re delusional if you think he’s better than arteta
@@Deathmare235 No not at all. Compare cv arteta 1 fa cup in 4 yrs. Emery 4 Europa league 2 French league 2 French Cup. Not even close. Also took villarreal team full of prem flops to champions league semi. Transformed Villa from battling relegation to champions league in less than 2 yrs. Has taken 6 different teams into champions league.
@@villain8013 So I suppose if you were a fan of a big 6 club, you would swap him with your manager unless it's pep
@@Deathmare235Emery is clear of Arteta. Emery's biggest achievement is winning a Europa League and reaching a Champions League semifinal with Villarreal while knocking out Juventus and Bayern Munich, Farteta's is spending 700 Million to bottle two league titles to Man City.
@@Lasse1398Any day of the week.
I wouldn't call it luck with Mourinho. I can't stand the guy, but he was a translator at Barca but Van Gaal saw his potential and brought him in as an assistant. That's not luck, thats having a skill set and a manager promoting you into a position you earned.
Buvey has a point on Sean Dyche he got Burnley 7th one season and Kompany gets relegated and gets the Bayern job mental
Playing style makes a difference
@@dangerkid699he had to play like that tho. Kompany spend millions on 1 players dyche spent 1 million for 2 championship players
Komany was highly praised for his mangement before he got into the PL. He showed he had a great understanding of the game and he's destroying everyone in the BL. Dych is a limited outdated manager
Slot achieved more than Ten Hag in the Netherlands...
Slot would have won a title with AZ if not for COVID. Then he took Feyenoord from debts and non-contention to a title and European runs yearly...
Slot seems like he is a winner. And it appears from the outside looking in he gets on good with the players.
Anytime people wanna criticize arteta the excuse is always “oh it’s his first job! It’s unfair! He plays pretty football” so should we just not rank him? Should we give him a pass for bottling the league twice? If emery would’ve bottled the league from the position arteta was in, he’d be laughed out of England. Emery is a serial winner. If you wanna win trophies get emery, if you want a man that maybe might deliver a trophy but for sure will get you 2nd place get arteta
So arteta making arsenal a European giant is being a bottler while emery actually bottling it in France makes him a serial winner
@@Deathmare235on what metric are you calling Arsenal (under Arteta) European giants?
@@S.K.0119 why are you ignoring emery bottling it at psg and arsenal
@@adam-z9e2j won the league at PSG and took a broken Arsenal team to a Europa League final. I'm not ignoring anything and since you decided to chime in, why don't you answer my question?
@@adam-z9e2j he won 5 out of 8 trophies at psg. wtf u on about bottling? arteta bottled the league from 1st placev for 96% of the time.
It's always frustrating when this Unai/Arteta debate comes up. People completely ignore why Sevilla was always in the Europa League under Emery. They either had poor league form or they finished 3rd in their group in the Champions League. Unai Emery's champions League form is absolutely horrendous. Winning Europa Leagues is obviously impressive, but there's a reason we're talking about that instead of the Champions League. He wasn't good enough
Sevilla aren't a good side so getting what he got out of them was impresssive
@@Antonio-hb8rdthey weren't bad😂 that's a lie
oh so what had arteta done in champions league to back against emery..... he beat flick's bayern one of the scariest team of all time and reach semis.... arteta lost to weakest bayern in decades in the quaters..... building legacy on second that too two time to master of europa and most efficient manager in PL.... managing big team is about what to do with all these resources while small team is about what can i do with these resources......
@kamnudanyianwangsu3378 there zero point trying to compare emery career to arteta 5 year career, who came in having to fix one of the worst squads and one of the worst mentality of a big club. So trying to diminish what he's done by saying "he lost to bayern" even tho it was a young squads in their first ucl campaign aswell as arsenal first ucl campaign since around the 2016s
@@itshurtt395 he has done good but still not comparable to emery at all.... He has nothing to show for all his accomplishments.... If him coming second is a legacy then you are embarrassing him more.... Emery a serial winner and managing a much budget side and still is neck and neck with every side in PL.... not to mention his other accomplishments... Even xavi considered flop won la liga with a good real and athletico competing... Come with arteta argument after he has won something no one's gonna remember second not to mention his bottle job 2 season back... Bottling so good lead in the end... That's on him and him only not on city being very good....
Emery did not win a UEL with fucking Villarreal and get them to a UCL semi-final against Liverpool to be compared to Arteta.
I get his point about Thomas Frank deserving a bigger club but at the same time i can’t see it going well. If u move to a top 6 team ur target is trophies and i don’t think he has enough to win a trophy or finish top 4 so he won’t last long, i think his ceiling is that 7-10th placed teams but id argue he should try and make brentford that team rather than just moving to one. He could go to west ham, brighton, Newcastle and do well with them, maybe push the lower european positions but why do that after all the love he has for brentford
John has some of the worst opinions man. Comes across well and has good communication skills but his takes STINK
Emery pulled up to the emirates last year & pulled Arteta’s pants down. Talking about pressure, Arteta was in a title race and folded twice. Done fuck all in the champions league. Spent a fortune and his biggest achievement is finishing 2nd, which Jose and Ole did with an even worse United team.
Spent less than Chelsea and United. At least we are in the race. This city team is one of the best of all time
Unlike arteta they were nowhere near 1st
ill be honest thats harsh on arteta
Arteta pulled up to villa park and pulled your pants down this season. Single games don't mean anything lol
@crispouk3070 whatbhas ARTETA done in Europa league ,bottled it twice.
Arteta has been under pressure 3 times in his career. First, when they were competing for UCL in their second season, and they choked at Spurs. Second, when they were 8 points clear in the previous season, and they choked, and then last season, when they had the title in their hands by drawing at City, and then choked against Villa, the very Emery they are crying about. In terms of handling pressure, Arteta has failed to do so every single time. Does that Fulham supporter not watch the football he claims no one else watches. To put Arteta even in the same conversation, is an utter disrespect to the sport.
Its a joke that people are comparing Arteta with Emery. Emery is a serial European cup winner. Arteta only cries in his interviews, criticizing this and that and he won a cup four years ago which was not his team by the way.
The Europa league bro
Then why is Emery not at a top club?
@@laislabonitahe is at a top club you muppet UTV
@@laislabonitahe is, he’s made Villa one
@@MrMonkeyHat Villa are a fantastic club, one of the big ones in Europe. But they're not a top club.
And that's the point... Emery is at his level right now. Right where he needs to be.
Jed said last season was the first time arsenal didnt lose to a top 6 side, even tho Villa did the double over them
he meant the big 6
31:00 rory is right for once. No matter how many accolades pep collects and how he implemented the modern methodical style of football. Ferguson was one of a kind that will never be topped. Brought a 3rd division side fighting relegation to division one champs in 3 season. Then his European and domestic success at aberdeen that is second to none in Scotland. AND THEN, his whole mancherster united career and being able to maintain the top level of success for that long. Pep genuinely could never, and especially in the future, his manchester city success will surely be tarnished soon enough.
You could just as easily say Fergie could never do what Pep has done? What you’re doing is holding Pep superiority against him. Pep literally took a barca side, which the year before were failing. Had one of its worst campaigns in their history and won the sextuple in his first year of management. The first manager to win the treble in Spain, beating Fergie in a final btw. At Man City, he did what Fergie literally said was impossible to do (the domestic treble). It’s a lot closer than most people think. What you’re implying is disingenuous and clearly agenda driven.
@renerowe14715 you dont even know my affiliations to understand where a bias can form from. Pep definitely has to be given dues, but lest we forget; the barca team had prodigies such as iniesta, xavi, messi, busquets etc. And saying he inherited a horrendous squad is lunacy. Then at bayern, he has been regarded as ruining german football due to his methodical play and won no european silverware with the european giants. And alas at City, he definitely inherited an endless budget along with already a league winning team. He has been gifted with world class players at every destination hes been at and before you say he turned them into world class, some maybe yes, but majorly not. Have you seen the squad that fergie won the league with lastly? Pep genuinely could never do that and would probably admit that himself.
@@mfcchris499 I don’t need to know your affiliation cos it’s clear you have an agenda against Pep lol. Pep has nothing to prove to anyone. I can list things Fergie has never done and Pep has, in the same country Fergie spent the majority of his career in? Saying Fergie is better because of Aberdeen and what he won there is the most ridiculous thing ever. If Fergie so clear of him, why is Pep responsible for him losing two CL finals? You’re literally holding Pep superiority against him. I’ve just told you Fergie couldn’t do what Pep has done just like you’re telling me “Pep could never do what Fergie has done” and you can’t accept it 🤣 What you’re doing is acting like anyone could do what Pep has done with the teams he has built which is disingenuous and clearly agenda driven because nobody has, that’s why he is regarded as an all timer and to some if not most, the greatest. The rest of what you’re saying is full of misinformation and just lazy analysis.
Leicester City best sporting achievement, Rory!?
Brian Clough 👋🏼 Nottingham Forest back to back European Cup winners. Winning title 1st season back in top flight and 42 games unbeaten 🙌🏻 the invincibles before Arsenal.
Emery had managed for 9 years before he won a trophy - Arteta has been in the job for 4 years
Sean Dyche got Burnley into Europe btw.
He is so disrespected. Never had the luxury of finances unlike most other clubs. Doesn’t get any plaudits because of the ‘way he plays football’ but that type of football got him results and surely results should be priority. Got Burnley into Europe on merit with the lowest transfer budget and still achieved two top ten positions in the league. Deserved a better job than Everton atm. And if he wasn’t Everton manager I don’t think they’d have stayed up last 2 years
No Iraola is criminal
Fulham fan over there probably thinks it's harder to win the league with PSG than to win the league with Leicester because why else would you think it's tougher to manage to win things at Arsenal than it is to win any European silverware with Villarreal or get to the Champions League semi-final?
Being so biased you think Arteta is better than Emery😂😂😂
None of them are arsenal fans tho?
The hardest thing is to win trophies and what has Emery done?
"won trophies at the lesser clubs"
He thinks he's making a point, when in reality he's proving why Emery is better. Arteta can't win with a massive club like Arsenal. Meanwhile Emery is winning trophies with the likes of Villarreal - knocking Artetas Arsenal out on the way.
Standard deluded Arsenal fan thinking Arteta is SO much better than he is 😂. It's not to say Arteta doesn't have a higher ceiling (because I think he'll ultimately end with a better CV THAN Unai BUT so FAR Unai has had a better Premier League manager AND better CV overall than Arteta & I have absolutely no idea why it's even a debate
Rory putting don Carlo out the top 5 of all time great coaches is criminal.
It's in the Premier League where he had 1 great season and the rest was a bit shit.
Ange finished fifth in his first season without Harry Kane ffs
Oh what trophy did he get for doing it?
@@spacecowboy6222 Must be hard being as intelligent as you seem to be.
@@spacecowboy6222 you really showed him
@@ozzy3036 must be even harder being a spurs fan banter club from the worst city in England
@@spacecowboy6222 Don't rate Ange, but still don't understand some people's obsession with trophies. It is a terrible way of measuring managers or players
We’re not talking about how they got battered by Bayern munich because they didn’t get battered by Bayern Munich 🤣
Please stop saying Emery in Europe. There is far more to the man than Europe. I have to say that to run up the table like what he has done from 17th place 4th is huge pressure. All done with 3 ACL's by way of Mings, Kamara & Bunedia. Everything happening at Villa is far more impressive than Emery's record in Europe. It's the time taken to get our club back up and running where we belong. Arteta is a tit. The pressure of Managing Villa is far more pressure than what Emery has done before but he still gets the cigar out and does his touchline dances like it's just easy. He has been given the keys to our kingdom, which I have to add is something Arsenal would never do which was their downfall. I heard that Unai when at Arsenal wanted Wengers pictures taken down from around Arsenal Stadium. PSG isn't worth speaking about, others have failed at PSG. PSG no longer attracts the same media attention & shirt sales have declined since the departures of Messi & Neymar. The club and Ligue 1 have lost their bargaining power in sponsorship negotiations and overseas TV deals. Technically he is on par with Pep, yes....he is. When we destroyed Man City in the only show on earth to do so ever to Pep....that says it all....go on....watch it back. Wolves played us recently and suffocated our midfield knowing that if they didn't the score line would have been like that of a cricket match. Unai was 1-0 down so he did his thing bringing on our wide players to technically out do poor Gary the novice with his limited knowledge and the midfield opened up like the fucking Dead sea opened by Jesus!! Gary got pay back from no hand shake last time out. Wolves then, with no option but to capitulate going out wide giving Barkley and Co free regin and the rest was history. Unai isn't perfect but no one is.
Emery is the far more successful manager right now, but it's not unreasonable to think that Arsenal's performances under Arteta suggest he has the potential to ultimately win more. Time will tell, but we're comparing someone who's been managing for 18 years with someone who's only been managing for 4.
But they are talking about who is the best “currently”! That’s the point of the whole video.
@@villa_fan8882 Not really, because the best current is obviously arteta, or emery would be in a job like arteta, and they're comparing previous results and achievements. So it's a combination it seems like
@@Lasse1398 wow! You never grave any justification to your point! You are just another deluded Arsenal fan.
@@villa_fan8882 which one, that arteta is currently better than emery? If emery was currently as good as arteta, he would be wanted by the same top clubs as arteta as, like Barcelona. But he isn’t, cause like they talk about in the video, those sort of clubs aren’t for emery. He is far better at Aston villa and that “level” of teams, and will do better than arteta can do there
@@Lasse1398 He is but Villa won’t let him go and Emery doesn’t want to go. Why is managing a big club and not winning anything considered success Arteta has won basically nothing and every time he’s had the chance he’s choked. put Arteta in charge at Villa and see what he does because I can bet Villa wouldn’t get top 4 with Arteta.
How are they gonna sit there and say Emry cant do it at a big club and Arteta can when Arteta has done nothing but bottle premier league titles the past 2 seasons and not win a single trophy
People putting Arteta over Emery have lost their minds. Emery is closer to Guardiola than he is to Arteta.
European trophies are the highest honour in this sport and people try to convince you that
getting 2nd in a domestic league after spending approx. 600 million is somehow more impressive.
Mid table journey man
Save the yap
@@user-gi7tg4bp8b
Points per game in Premier League:
- Emery: 1.87
- Arteta: 1.87
Pretty impressive if he has only done mid table compared to Arteta at a club like Arsenal. Not to mention that's just the Premier League. If we include trophies, longevity and europe.... there isn't a leg for Arteta to stand on.
Arsenal fans acting like they gave emery the same grace they have given arteta lol
Arsenal got to the champions league final in 2006, which inside 20 years
Buvey being the sane voice on this show as usual, couldn't believe half of the shit I heard from the rest
1:04 Rory holy dyche got Burnley into EUROPE
Ange at 10th is crazy, cba already 😂😂😂
How can you argue he should be top 5?
@@RenewedRShe manages spurs
@@Deathmare235 That doesn't answer their question, try again.
@@em_si25 years of managerial experience across multiple countries, trophies everywhere he’s gone both at the club and international level, tactical flexibility, expansive and entertaining style of play, first Australian manager to manage in the EPL, and i think most importantly he earned to be where he is, he wasnt handed it. He’s easily in the top 10 and bordering in the top 5 for me
@@thatkidg123 yeah they talk about geography being unfair ange started managing a fucken semi pro team in melbourne and has ended up at spurs 😂the true definition of started from the bottom
I'm not budging on that top3...
you shouldnt. there is no club in the world taking unai emery over mikel arteta right now. unai is a fantastic manager but he cannot handle big expectations with powerful boards. arteta manages upwards as well as downwards and has turned arsenal into the best defensive team in the world. unai has never made his team the best anything in the world. as soon as arsenal win a premier league under him this debate can be put to rest
“Arsenal went unbeaten against the top 6” ?? Unai Emery’s Aston Villa beat Arsenal twice last season
@@jackrobinson-wq2jn Villa finished 4th so how are big six stats even relevant. Man Utd and Chelsea were rubbish for 90% of last season
That ‘rubbish’ man utd side did the double over Villa last season with one of the wins when they were 2-0 down. The ‘rubbish’ Chelsea side knocked Villa out of the cup.
Don't try to use logic with these clowns. They want Arsenal fans to feel bad so they clutch at straws but we get to watch good football every week and they don't so they're a little salty
@@Osas-097gh And yet after all of that Villa finished 4th, Chelsea 6th, Man U 8th. Emery had been at Villa almost 2 years now and during that period Villa has been 4th in points behind City, Arsenal, Liverpool with Villa having around one third of the budget the big 6 teams have😎✌
Pretty sure he meant big 6
I now get why so many hate Arsenal it’s facts arteta has done nothing
This Emery vs Arteta waffle at the end is wild. Emery is levels above.
Impressive to make Rory look like the one with sense when he didn't even prepare the right list for the conversation. 😂
Adam “Liverpool weren’t looking at Slot” just lying to defend 7 Hag lol
They wanted Alonso and Amorim over Slot
@@vicvinegar4540no that’s what the media told you lmao, are you Fenway sports group?
@@dannybingham7101 And you know more than the media and everyone else?
@@dannybingham7101 are you?
@@vicvinegar4540 lfc wanted to interview numerous managers. Xabi told them hes staying so never did the interview. Amorim and slot were interviewed and LFC decided to go for Slot. Amorim then left to go interview with West Ham after LFC said no to him. He rejected West Ham. He later had to apologize to sporting fans. Hope that clarifies things for you
Emery > Arteta all day every day. The Arteta fanboys try to use the fact he lost a ligue 1 title to THAT Monaco team which included Mbappe, Bernado Silva, Fabinho etc, and reached the UCL semi's beating Man City. He is still statistically one of the best managers PSG has ever had
People forget Ange has a Continental trophy with a very average Australia team that beat a very very good south korea
I don't know why Emery's loss in a final is being used as a positive for handling pressure
Arteta over Emery is absolutely comedy
Emery has WON the trophies
He’s come top 4 with VILLA.
Arteta has choked time and time again. Hardly “done well under pressure”
Coming 2nd consecutively and keeping close to Man City is absolutely doing well under pressure wtf
@@mixie5915 not when you’re coming first and bottle it against Villa and Bournemouth at the end of the season.
You are trying to speak about how good Villa is and slander Arteta for losing to him in the same breath 😂
You have to pick one little guy. Villa also beat city 4-1 and Arsenal dropped points to bournemouth due to an offside goal not being checked
@@squeezewilliams3003Uh, when did Villa beat City 4-1 lol?
Pep has to be british in order to be above Sir Alex
The fact Arteta is being spoken of so highly in his first job says it all for me.
How anyone can say Arteta is a better manager than Emery and say they’re sane is unreal. The disrespect on Emery just because he ‘failed’ at Arsenal. Honestly name a manager who could have replaced Wenger and succeeded when the club was in such a mess. Shocking opinion from some people. Emery has so much more on his CV than Arteta has and surely we’re talking about the now and not about the future
Arteta wouldn’t of failed
@@Deathmare235wouldn’t fail what? One cup and a few charity shields is all he has to show for at Arsenal. Emery would have won more anyways, if he got as much time. And he didn’t get money for Rice, Gabriel and Saliba
@@olavjorvik94 emery wouldn’t stop lying
Every Chairman would choose Arteta over Emery right now, hands down.
@@olavjorvik94 EMERY WON NOTHING IN HIS FIRST 10 YEARS MANAGING. ARTETA ALREADY HAS A CUP IN HIS FIRST 5 YEARS MANAGING. 😉
Unai won Europa 3x in row with Sevilla, do you know how that happens? meaning he got knocked out of the UCL back to back in the group stages. Unai has been a manager for over 2 decades, didn’t win anything in the first 10years, Mikel is just 5years in with an FA cup. Don’t let anyone gaslight you by mentioning he’s won Europas, Unai can’t manage expectations at PSG he came in when they had won the Ligue 1 4x in a row and lost to Monaco
Not a footballing brain between them 🤣🤣🤣
How can you take this debate seriously? The arteta hate is cringe.
He’s won one fa cup, what do you expect?
@JJJJJ269 I expect people who have opinions on football to actually watch it, and if you watch football, you know Arteta is a top-class manager. Funny how everyone sucked off Bielsa and disregarded his trophy count even though he's been managing multitudes longer than Arteta.
@@JJJJJ269he’s also turned arsenal into a European giant
He’s not better than emery
@@Deathmare235 European giant?!?😂😂😂😂 can’t even win the europa league, let alone the champions league.
I hope Thomas Frank never takes the Spurs job - Levy is the undertaker and Spurs is the graveyard for managers. On Emery - Buvey is spot on: NO ONE has succeeded in Europe with PSG because it's a squad of individuals. Arteta is valued on potential, but he's won bollocks thus far.
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So many great annecdotes surround Sir Bobby. Rest in Peace.
We're all playing chess, but Rory's out here playing Checkers.
Not sure what this whole perception of Arteta is all about? He’s won an Fa cup? ETH has won 2 trophies in 2 years at Utd after taking over a shitshow and Arteta (he also took over a bit of shambles tbf) has been in charge of Arsenal for like 6 years now?
Arteta is showing clear signs of progress as Arsenal manager. ETH isn't. Yes Ten Hag has lucked his way to a couple of trophies but there's a reason why United fans have been disgusted with their team in recent years whereas Arsenal fans have been very content or even happy. One team is clearly moving in the right direction.
@@tomzknight7412 not saying United are not in a tough position because they do and they have a lot of problems. They have a lot of ground to make up on the likes of city Liverpool Chelsea etc. but the point of elite sports is to win. Something Arteta has yet to do. They can be “nearly” and “right direction” fc as much as they like. Warra trophy
@@Stefanossssssssssss I guess there is where we disagree. If elite sport is all about winning and ETH has 2 trophies in 2 seasons then why are so many United fans unhappy with their team, why are they miserable 9/10 game weeks? Fans love to say it's all about trophies but it really isn't, performance matters. What a fan with a season ticket has to endure for 20+ games matters. I would rather watch a team that plays good football and fights for the league than a team that is mid table quality but wins a Carabao every now and then personally. (I'm not an Arsenal fan btw)
@@tomzknight7412 Na I get what you’re saying mate, we see it different but I can certainly respect your opinion. Every Arsenal fan I speak to is a lot more content than any Utd fan I speak to 😂
Cant wait for Buvey to start watching EFL
Sometimes buvey is the only one with a brain. Slot has already made Liverpool one of the best teams in the league. ETH has united a mid tabe team. Embarrassing to put him above slot. Battered eth at home says enough.
I understand the argument for emery over arteta, but arteta has done a great job rebuilding arsenal. Also his first job all the other top 10 manager have loads of experience
Were they high while doing this? They said it's based off of premier league but went on to justify their rankings based on trophies they've won outside of the premier league...
The metric of their CV on a current top 10 manager (based on form) doesnt make any sense. It should only factor their acheivements in the prem and how their clubs have performed under their management. E.g. Ten Hag should never sniff being in top 10, hes a managaer that gets berated every week for how bad he is yet hes in all your top 10s. Hence the metric of their successes in other leagues is irrelevant.
Bro is saying it’s more impressive to manage a “big club” versus winning titles with lesser clubs
Nah Rory killed me this time 😂😂😂
Buvey continually saying Arsenal were "battered" by Bayern when Arsenal were better in both legs is the most unsurprising thing said here.
The premise at the start set by Buvey is utter waffle..
It's a shame Rory is a Chelsea fan he hates Chelsea football club
"Harry Redknapp" is a legendary club moment
If unai didn't get villa into the champions league no one would be putting him this high the glaze is crazy
Rory says the hardest thing to do is winning trophies regardless the level yet absolutely dismisses Ange for winning trophies lol
How did Rory not get Buvey's point in the beginning? Just being dense for no reason.
Reeks of a posh Tory thinking poor people have the same chance that they have
Winning the Asia cup is far harder than winning the Europa league, just because of the probability and level of each team. Also, Ange achieved more in his first season than Arteta did at his first season, if we are using that argument.
Not having Ten Hag in a list is wild. United are playing shit but he's won more trophies in England than everyone in the list apart from Pep. Also bossed the Eredivisie with Ajax.
The levels of football knowledge on display here is dazzling. Not one of them remember Arsenal reaching the CL final 18 years ago.
Buvey going off about structure and executives not helping a club yet the only reason his clubs won anything is because they got their back room in order and broke all the rules is hilarious
What a shock the debate kicks off when arteta is mentioned
The hate for Arteta by buvey and Rory is unprecedented. It’s his first managerial role and he’s going toe to toe with one of the best managers of all time! I take arteta any day
Saying arteta is better than emery is sooo crazy to me.. 29:30 also he went very quite after that question 😂