Watch This Before Buying A GPX Dirt Bike!
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Just spent a week riding the 2022 GPX FSE300R. This is the new model with the NC300 DOHC engine and Delphi fuel injection.
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Did you get a chance to ride the 2 stroke version by chance? If so is it any good
GPX needs to give you a bike for long term testing. You have quite a few followers who would want to see that. It would also make a great bike for a Glenn Helen Endurance race. Interested in hearing if GPX does have a way to change the map/tune.
Not enough videos or followers
@@porterdallenbach1639 he definitely does have enough. if Gabe made a review and made as little as 5 people buy a bike, it would cover the cost of giving him one. his other bike reviews have 100,000's of views.
The Aracer tuner works with the Delphi EFI. Check the FB group out. Tons of info and support.
@@97footballplayer Ryan Cadotte makes a really good tune for the 2022+ GPX FSE 300R. get the henner advance timing key and cut out the wire mesh and have the delphi shipped for a tune or just pay gpx for their race tune if you want from the factory
After fortnines video about engine manufacturing cleanliness I don’t have much interest in Chinese bikes-I’d be curious about the long term reliability
The engine in these types of bikes, (NC250) I have heard compared to the AK-47 of motorcycle engines. Its basically put in most every type of motorcycle in Asia and India. Most of these Chinese brand bikes sold in the USA use it too.
Just putting this out here for information...I own a Kayo K6-R 250cc..it is the same dual over head cam engine as the GPX, just smaller. So I wanted to address the quality of the build and pass on some knowledge. My Kayo has a much better quality build than other china bike builds..it is how the specs were ordered for the build. Example: grade bolts, chromoly steel frame, billet hubs, larger spokes, heavy duty aluminum rims, Kenda tires, aluminum break away levers, aluminum sub frame, billet aluminum clamps for front forks, stainless steel pipe, aluminum swingarm and I can go on and on....GPX does similar things...they get their bikes made to their specs. Not all of the bikes are built to these levels even the lesser priced bikes by Kayo,SSR and GPX use different quality of metal and components to meet a price point. They could build exactly the same thing as the big 5, but it would cost the same price...and that is not what makes them appealing ... So in summary my Kayo K6-R is the best pure MX bike to come out of China ever, but still I am aware that the engine is a little less powerful (think Suzuki RM250z) and a little more heavy (different metals in suspension) but I could buy 2 for the price of one KTM......and this is the same for the GPX, Gary is trying to put out an affordable bike that most people could ride to it's potential and can afford.
I had the EGL A17 which is the 300cc big bore, I'll say the carb was definitely better than the SSR version but the clutch and brake handles were better than anything I've ever seen! I probably had a dozen high speed wrecks and never bent a handle, they would flip forward plus up and down as well plus fully adjustable. I looked them at the time, those alone are $55 a set on ebay...
I recently purchased two EGL A16 250s for my wife and I, they are essentially the same bike as the GPX FSE 250e without the electronic dashboard. They were $3000.00 each and the only problem I have was the air box cover doesn’t fit properly but a drill , a clip nut and a screw fixed it. I have the same problem with the forks on the sharp repetitive hits but they take the whoops like a bike that costs much more. The air cooled 250 motor is easy to maintain and so far is reliable. It has very good low end torque and I have taken it on some technical single tracks and the clutch has preformed well. All in all being a budget that would not allow me to buy a new European or Japanese bike I am happier than I expected to be.
Excellent review. Glad you could get out there and spend some time in southern Utah! Considered the GPX but settled on a very low hour WR250F instead for less cash. I'm happy.
You made the right choice. That WR will be a much better ownership experience in the long run. This Chinese stuff isn’t built to last.
Good unbiased review Gabe. I had a similar experience with my FSE450. However, with my crappy experience with both the bike and customer service, I will not recommend GPX to anyone. It seems that they have slowly addressed some of the issues, but the price keeps going up. To me, the price point is now at a place where a used bike makes more sense. Check out my 450 review videos on here for more in depth information. Keep it up buddy!
I loved my gpx450 when I had it, but with the price they want now, there’s no way. Disappointing
The plastics falling off after a tip over is hilarious 😂
Well I'm thinking that even with the price increase on the GPX models, I could still get the FSE300R and the TSE300R for a little bit more than one KTM300XC or XC-W. But, I'm still a little bit on the fence about it. If I buy a new KTM, I'm getting a quality bike no doubt, with good resale value. The GPX bikes, probably not much on resale, but, I would have two bikes, a four stroke, and a two stroke, very cool. So I don't know yet. Lol
Having 2 is better than 1 definitely.
ECU tuning is available via the aRacer mini 5 ECU. You can tune via Bluetooth or dirct plug in through diagnostic ports. IMHO - these bikes aren't meant to be equal to a KTM/Husky/GasGas and that is why they are half the price new. GPX could up spec them to the moon with WP/Showa/KYB and add aluminum this Ti that... but then it becomes another $10K bike. These seem to be modern XR400's , improved DRZ400 or cheaper alternatives to the CRF450L or 500EXC. All solid bikes that fit 90% of riders needs , including the casual enduro/desert/haresceamble racers. The DOHC FSE300R seems to be a real ripper.
I really like the 300R, and the new 300 two stroke. I might just get both, it would be a bit more than buying one KTM 300xc-w. I'm looking at that KTM model also. But man it's hard to spend 12k out the door for a new dirt bike. I doubt I will go that route. I don't race or anything, just a recreational rider.
Id love to see a long term reliability test of either this or the 450. im curious about the longevity of the engines on these
That would be nice to see. A true, long term reliability test, of a GPX bike that's been maintained properly, but ridden hard. I wouldn't worry at all about the engines though, the zongshen engines have been around for quite a long time overseas, and have a very good reputation. Not a reputation like Honda though, of course.
These things are junk even at half the price you have to think about resale value five years you are getting $1200 maybe .
My friend has a Gio 250 by far the worst bike I’ve ever rode .
@@Cyclecylinder GPX bikes are phenomenal. I have one, and came off a KTM 450 XC-W and a CRF250L. GPX is not the same as any other China bike. Check Facebook pages, etc.
I've got the GPX FSE450R and I've done a few things to it, like flashed the ECU with a better tune, and I run 2 maps on a map switch. I've got an open loop race map and a closed loop regular map on a switch. Anyway, I have ridden all makes, and owned most of them, GPX is phenomenal quality and I truly believe the fse450r will never be a 1200$ bike. It's a modern fuel injected dirt bike with fantastic components and suspension.
Almost every issue noted in this video is fixed through an ECU flash. It's easy to do, and pretty much everyone does them, even on big name bikes like Honda's. (I know, I had to do it.) Look up Honda CRF450L and RL Flameouts.
@@Cyclecylinder dude not all of the same are the same by miles…. Gpx/pitster pro have had pretty good bikes especially after the 2016 gen patents went out and they went to work copying and pasting lol…. They’re basically 2008-2016 ktm/Hondas I call the KTONDAS and if you can change your oil once a month for fuck sake they will last 😂
@@4x4erik how did you flash the ECU? I have the HJ 450cc which is the same and in need of flashing the ecu, and a flywheel key upgrade.
The sweet scent of ktm tears! I about lost it when I saw the KTM tears aromatherapy candle on your site, that's hilarious! Had to order one.
Hahaha. Thanks for the order!
Glad you ended up making this! That 300 does look pretty nice. If I didn't already have my Beta I would totally consider buying one and just plating it out of state. Stupid California.
The SOHC Version of the '300', NC250, is a great engine. Its just a big bore, bit it adds some nice extra low end grunt. I have the SSR300s which is certainly more bare bones than the GPX bikes (And cheaper), But I have a blast shredding on it.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on the SWM RS300/500R's. Basically reproductions of the 2010 Husky 300/500 and they start at $7700. Would be awesome if you could get your hands on one, or both, to review.
I had the swm rs300 and couldn't fault it. I thrashed the life out of it and never had any problems what so ever for the 2 years I had it. The suspension felt decent. The engine pulled like a train and it handled decently
Yeeess, so glad you're doing a gpx review. Been hearing lots about them
Probably the best review I've seen.
Im going to check out if the 300 is available and plateable in the EU immediately
I owned the "old" Honda-style Asiawing NC250 and the bike was pretty good, especially for beginners.
I replaced the carb for a Keihin FCR and that woke up the bike. Suspension was horrible in the front but alright in the rear.
Otherwise a very well put bike with fasteners that were better than many mainstream brands. The wheels were really, really good with thick staineless spokes and nipples and billet hubs.
Weight was the main issue. The engine probably weighed 30-40% more than a well-known 250 4-stroke but it was probably indestructible. It also held almost 2L of oil so there's that.
Parts prices. The Ali Express Powerparts catalog would have complete engines for under $1000. A complete cylinder head complete with camshafts and valves was something like $100.
Swap the front forks for something well known and the bike would've been a really good option for many riders looking for new bikes, but who don't need a 40hp race bike.
This new GPX looks good. Great content as always Gabe.
enjoyed this, actually looked up the gpx during the video to see what it was about heh..
As far as tuning there are a couple if us who have figured out how to tune these bikes and it makes a difference for sure.
Cool. That's what I'm hearing. I'd love to try out a tuned one.
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Gpx is an awesome brand. I love my fse450r. It fills a gap in the market. I am no motocross rider but I love to ride single-track. My bike does everything I need and ask it to. I have no problems keeping up with the big name brands.
Own a 2021 450 and I love it. Just bought a 2022 450 yesterday. Gpx bikes are sick. 450 has quite a bit of power gains on the 300.
I also own an fse450r and love it. I keep up with my buddies Beta 390RRS as well as my other 3 riding buddies on KTM's. They have all ridden my bike and we're very impressed.
WTH is that grey cat you are sitting on?
Keep it up Gabe! The desert season is right around the corner. Come to Utah and let's rip!
Sounds like an interesting experience. Chinese bikes are well known for being pretty good as idea, but in reality there are bad quality of welding, screws, rims and overall materials compared to Japanese or European brands. That's why you won't see Chinese bikes in the first places in Enduro races, they just can't live long enough. At least for now, one day it may change, but that day Chinese bikes start to cost the same as western ones.
These can survive an enduro race just fine, especially since the motors are under stressed. The reason you don't see many of them finishing in high places is because they're rare, less powerful than the competition, and generally only lesser skilled riders buy these cheaper bikes.
The only thing that comes out of China that seems to last is viruses
If they start building higher quality stuff, it will not be as cheap as it is now.. and then, why buy it if it isn’t cheaper than the brands you know are reliable! 🤔
I’m pretty sure China took note of this and came up with the KAYO 250cc 2 stroke, they also make a 250cc 4 stroke and more…..: good welds, steel frames, water cooled electric start 2 strokes. 4 strokes are injected and 2ts are cwrvwd
KTM makes some of their motors in China.
Awesome riding and great breakdown! Thanks for posting, great to watch. 🔥💪
Buy a TM 300 for stroke my son did and that bike is really nice runs great but his beta 300rx is good too
I recently bought a 2019 gpx250 for 1700 off marketplace, overall it's a good bike for it being a Chinese 2 stroke but it definitely has its quirks. I'll probably sell it in the future but this was my first 2 stroke and my first and last Chinese bike. I've had multiple 4 stroke japanese bikes and a Chinese bike will have a hard time beating a kawa,yama, Honda or even a shitzuki.
Thanks for the review, you're a guy we can trust!
Thanks for sharing your opinion. It was interesting to hear since I've owned a 2020 GPX FSE250E. And I currently own a 2020 KTM 500 XCF-W.
Even though the motor cc's of your two bikes are worlds apart....did you more or less agree with Gabe on KTM too spendy and FSE still not completely there? Whats your long term opinion?
@@lynchcreekmuzzy5759 My opinion is vastly different from his. I've put about 60hrs on the GPX. It was absolute crap. Barely got rid of it for 50% of what I paid for it.
KTM is as good as it gets. It's my 3rd one, so I don't have any first impressions. Each one of them has been great.
@@gophop good to know 👍 thank you
I would love to see a review on some of the 230's. Your videos on the dr 200 made me think about getting rid of my old xr200. With all the Chinese dirt bikes becoming more popular I think that a new 230 would be a great little trail bike. The xr is great for camping. It is old dated and heavy.
Kawasaki has their KLX 230. It's an interesting machine. You can get it in just dirt bike configuration or in street legal dual sport form. It's fuel injected but air cooled and six speed. I'd like to take one for a little rip some day.
@@mmaaddict78 I have liked any and all of the 230's that I've rode. I just wonder about the Chinese bikes mostly because of price. I'm a ride red guy, but like anything that runs and is a good deal. Recently got rid of 3 xr200's and a 01 cr250. I'm liking the gpx bikes a lot. I also like the klx300. Really if it has wheels and a engine I probably like it.
Am keen to buy the 250 tse for fun on the trail as an older rider, not riding enduros as this video seems to portray.
GPX, if you are listening.. To have any chance at all you need to give a few bikes out to good youtubers like TTM and LISTEN to thier honest reviews and then refine your next year models based off of what these guys are saying! Yall are SO close to competing with the big guys. This little stuff will be the death of you.
No one does "half assed" like the Chinese. Usually Chinese products look fine when new but soon break.
Potential buys should be aware that there will be higher than usual running costs due to poor materials. This is the case now in China with Chinese cars and bikes. Even Chinese people think Chinese cars and bikes are a poor value proposition long term because they just aren't made to last.
You could probably see it in electronics where there might be issues with seals and soldering, cables being pulled etc. too. Possibly parts that are harder to source should they break.
I was curious about these bikes until I saw a 23 GASGAS 300 listed for $6,800
Now THAT'S an awesome review!
Hey Gabe, if you ever make it out to the Northeast on your travels, I'd love to have you take my 2012 KTM 350 for a rip and see what you think. It's an XC-F that I made street legal and have a 4 gallon tank on it once in a while for longer dual sport rides. It's my unicorn bike project that I've been working on for a few years. Been trying to come up with a dual sport that can also handle the gnarly stuff while not costing $13,000 like a 500 EXC.
I'd be down. I'm about one to one and a half years away from finally being un-tethered by a constant job. Then I can finally get more than a day's drive away from work.
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you are a phenomenal rider. first things first
And yet I have so much to learn!
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Just get a efi controller....with the 450, if on a carb model just rejet..
Kind of promising, but I want to see one ran for 300-400 hours. Can you get spare parts? If you think of it, you can get a low hour 1..2 yo brand bike for the same price. Which would you pick? I bought a -21 350 KTM last summer for little over 5000e. Something like 40..50 hours on it ridden by a vet and more bark than you´d ever neeed. I bet I can put 300 C-class hours on it before opening the engine. Extra rims, no problem, around every corner. Levers, plastics, radiators, bash plates, what ever you need, no problem.
CAN YOU PLEASE FIND A WAY TO REVIEW THE KAYO 250 2 stroke. it’s about $4500 brand new or so and from my brief experience is actually an amazing machine.
I am looking at that Kayo 250 two smoker too...spoke with a guy racing one hare scrambles(B rider he said)and he kept referring to it as more of an entry level race bike and power more like a 200. That 4500 can only buy so much i guess.... but sure is a good price point.
@@lynchcreekmuzzy5759 when I buy one, not if but when, I’ll be going into it knowing it’s not going to ever compete with a newer Ktm or yz250, I’ll be looking at it more like a kdx200 and using it as an enduro machine. The dealer near me said it’s possible to title them, and if NJDMV gives me a hard time I can register with dirt legal. I don’t want to compete with it. I plan on using it as a trail bike, a bike to wheelie with, something fun idc if it gets beat up, something to let family or friends ride when they come over. I do plan on updating it fully tho. When buying a bike like this you need to disassemble and reassemble with a quality bolt kit and med-high strength removable locktight. I’ll be buying an extra piston and cylinder as soon as possible to keep around. Also I’ll be fitting it with modern Ktm plastics. I’m fairly positive with
Minimal effort Ktm plastics will fit.
@@njmxjunkie3128 i think you got a good way to approach this and should be fine for you. 😎👍
@@lynchcreekmuzzy5759 I’ve got other bikes that are pretty nice I’d be looking at the KO 250 two-stroke as a poor man’s KTM Enduro
@@njmxjunkie3128 is that the Kayo??
I have some tuning maps for it
Been waiting for this vid... Is amazing
I would love to see you test an FSE250E
Basically a modern xr250r
Great unbiased review!
Thanks!!
As always, on point!
You're going fast as hell
Haha thanks!
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Does anyone own a GPX bike? Can we get some feedback on reliability?
I own a 2020 GPX TSE 250R, the 2 stroke model. My previous bike was a 2015 KTM 500EXC for reference. So far my experience with the GPX has been positive and I really like the bike. I've raced enduro races, climbed nearly vertical hills with my buddies and cruised around on slow trail rides with new riders. My one and only complaint is there was several bolts that started backing out the first few rides. I basically just went back over the whole bike and made sure everything was tight and have been enjoying the bike since. The engine has been solid with zero issues. I never even adjusted the carb since it seems to work fine for my altitude. The oil injection lines leaked a little because the stock hose clamps were weak but that's easily fixed with better clamp and you don't have the oil injection on the 4 stroke model anyways. I was really worried the suspension was going to suck but turns out its one of the things I like best about the bike. Its plush over smaller imperfections yet works well enough to hit rock face step ups. It seems to keep the bike planted almost to a fault. I've had a few instances where the back tire hooked up hard on a hill climb and I flipped the bike lol. On that note, its held up well to crashing too lol. I've not been super easy on it and its still going strong. For the time being, I really like the bike and have no intention to replace it. PS, I happened to come across a $1000 off promo code on the GPX facebook page by doing a quick google search that was supposed to be for the 2019 model closeouts. So I paid $4250 total shipped to me in a crate. I don't think you can get them that cheap anymore though. Just my experience so far. Everyone who has never owned one of these bikes will complain which makes it that much better when my GPX makes it through a really hard technical section or crazy steep hill climb and everyone else on their big name brand bikes are crashing or left behind lol. Hope it helps.
I own a 21 fse450r, and I absolutely love it. While the bikes are not perfect, reference the tune. Which can be fixed now. It's a fantastic bike. I am able to do it all on this bike and blow the doors off people who see what it can do for 6 k new.
@@dracer35 thank you for the info! This helps me greatly as used bikes are insanely priced now and this is a solid option.
@@ethancolby1972 @dracer35 thank you for the info! This helps me greatly as used bikes are insanely priced now and this is a solid option.
Look up the FB group. Tons of riders and reviews. Also, lots of support for the product.
Amazing channel, amazing guy, watch & love everything you put out, but wouldn't buy a Chinese bike to save my kids lives, for more reasons than just the reputation of Chinese quality.
Love your review vids!
PLEASE race one of these Chinese bikes
Nice thrashings you give them!
Thanks for the review!
You're welcome
Why not TSE?
I'd love to see more GPX Reviews. I'm probably going to try out one of their mini moto's before dropping some real cash on one of their full sized bikes. I'm probably going to get their ADV 190 to mob around on. If that thing holds up after thousands of miles then I buy one of their more expensive bikes.
Loving the content :)
Those issues seem pretty predictable from a chinese manufacturer. They're wonderful at integrating proven technology into their design and doing it efficiently and reliably, but they seriously lag in high expertise high investment R&D. It can lead to some odd quirks other manufacturers addressed decades ago through sheer experience and drive time.
I don’t know I can’t ever separate these bikes with “China” just gives me a bad vibe.
I think I’d stick with a used Japanese bike and a kato every now and then
Don’t look into where the name brand guys manufacture their products too hard. Might upset your stomach.
Great vid! Dont they sell a 200 2-stroke too? Did you test one of those?
It's the TSE 250R. The engine is based off the Yamaha DT 230 so it's technically not a true 250. But for 2022 they upped it to a 300, which I'm guessing is to be a more compelling 300cc offering over a similar KTM or BETA. LCARS ADV has a 2019 version of the TSE 250R that he put a Smart Carb on and loves it. He says for him the power is very linear and it's good at "tractor-ing" over obstacles at low speeds.
I just can’t get past the china part
Super helpful, thanks!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I would rather have a KDX or a Yamaha DTR, or shit that’s a 4 stroke, put a YZ engine in it
Isn't GPX old KTM tech?
TSE250R next?
Have you ridden the new two-stroke?
Not yet. Definitely want to
How’s the power on the 450 to the 300? I like being able to power wheelie , I do a lot of desert riding.
This is the 300 big bore, I'm 6'2" @ 235lbs. ruclips.net/video/q4gGPPwsGtk/видео.html
Buy one
strap a Briggs and Straton to a pogo stick and you will get the same off road experience.
Nah, these bikes provide a pretty high end feel!
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@@TortureTestMagazine yeh right.
Um, I own a 2021.5 GPX FSE450R. I've done an ECU flash I run a dual map setup with a switch with an open loop race map and a closed loop regular map. The ECU flash fixes most everything negative mentioned in this video, and I came off a KTM and a Honda. These bikes are awesome
@@4x4erik said the POS GPX salesman....EVERYTHING...like metallurgy? how does THAT work?
@@ddrowdy7666 @DD Rowdy Bud, I'm no salesman. The metallurgy does not have problems. GPX bikes are great. If I had problems, or start having problems, I will change my mind. Until then, I've loved mine. I bought it used btw, and haven't ever been to a GPX dealership. I've watched this company for a couple years, as well as forums and pages with other people's experience I came to the conclusion I wanted one. It was a great decision.
"The KTM isn't worlds ahead, at least at my skill level."
Then for your average dude the GPX is a steal. ahaha
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You riding a ktm 500? Whaaaa?
nice one
China needs to clone the cr500. They’d sell every single one of them
I can't ever consider buying a Chinese bike. I would much rather give the Japanese my money even though it's more expensive.
Can't argue with that!
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Get rid of the keys
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Why are we (dirt bike community) still buying, supporting, or servicing Chinese bikes? At this point is it not fully evident that China is an enemy and that it is foolish / beyond stupid to continue giving them our money?
So, what brand would you recommend that doesn’t produce any of its components in China?
There are two kinds of chinese products. The ones made for and under the specs of a foreign company, and the ones made by a chinese company, under chinese specs. These are complete junk. This bike fits into this second category.
While I agree on some products. The gpx bikes are not the latter. The manufacturer of the gpx frame, suspension, and rims have a good quality control, even zonshen, who makes 1000s of engines for all manufacturers around the world. I have had 1 minor issue with my fse450 where valves where out of spec from the factory. Not a big issue. But it's to each their own. I'll keep my gpx for half the cost.
Good video but for some reason yt decided to show me a BLM ad that told me to 'be on the right side of history' so it was kinda over shadowed, also I'm not in America so ????
Left wing biased propaganda
Oh no you poor thing are you ok?? I hope you can still sleep ok.
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It doesnt matter where you are from...BLM will find a way to divide people, burning cities, looting, hurting/killing people, like the BLM Rapper supporter who just ran over 60+ people, including children.....its disgusting.
@@lynchcreekmuzzy5759 ye agree with you there fella
Ktm sucks 🤣 is the wannabe pro bike
Chinese bikes are long term junk.
If they ever.get to equal quality with Japanese or Euro bikes then the prices will probably increase likewise.
Zuumav legit to nc450. also helion