I made a small error in this video by saying DK JR is current day Donkey Kong. That is not true and he is actually current day Donkey Kong’s father. My bad, but thanks for all the love anyways ❤️
But again, she was added for the same reason as Pink Gold Peach. If Lubba were chosen over Honey Queen, then Rosalina would have been the _only_ female heavyweight until PGP (unless you have a female heavyweight Mii). They wanted to balance out the male-female ratio in each weight class. The only female Koopaling is Wendy, and she's a middleweight. The heavyweight Koopalings are Morton, Ludwig, Roy, and Iggy
The weird thing about King Boo to me in Double Dash is that it’s the third iteration of the character’s design in three years. To me the definitive version will always be the Luigi’s Mansion version. But it’s so weird that he had a complete design change in Sunshine and again in the Mario Kart series
The King Boo in Sunshine was fake & in Japan was Boss Boo completely different from King Boo. The King Boo in Double Dash would be the official King Boo design from that point on & it could once be explained by Luigi selling King Boo's Crown at the end of Luigi's Mansion.
There's actually a reason DK Jr. was included in SNES over the adult Donkey Kong. His leotard made the sprite's different turning directions more easily readable than the all-brown DK would be from the back given the SNES's sprite limitations, especially on early releases for the console. This is also POSSIBLY why Kamek was originally slotted for N64 until an acceptable DK render was made.
My toxic trait is thinking Honey Queen isn’t that weird of a character. They needed a female heavy weight and I much rather have Honey Queen than inventing new characters to fill the gaps (how we got Pink Gold Peach & Baby Rosalina/Daisy)
I dunno what RUclips has changed about the algorithm recently but it's nice to see it actually pushing content from comparably low sub counts on content as popular as Mario Kart. Great video, hope more people see it! That aside, something interesting about DK Jr. in Super Mario Kart is that him being there probably has the single most influence a game could have on DK becoming a Mario spinoff mainstay. I think that alone makes him the "weirdest" choice. Nobody really would've expected someone from the DK arcade games that had no relevance to the newer Super Mario Bros. series. If that happened today, he'd be more of a guest character like Link or Animal Crossing. But ever since then, DK has had the privilege of being in basically every Mario spinoff (including Party, Sports, etc.) which I don't think would've been the case if Super Mario Kart were made AFTER the DKC reboot.
Thank you for those kind words and I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! DK JR's appearance in this game really did have a great impact on not only the Kong characters appearing in spinoff titles, but any sub Mario character with a spinoff series appearing, like Wario.
@__Soya__ not sure how canon the Mario movie is considered but in the movie DK calls Cranky Kong his dad and since we know Cranky is the original DK, that makes modern DK, DK Jr.
Weird is not usually a bad thing; one of the disappointing things about the initial Mario kart 8 roster was that it all felt so “normal” I mean yeah the koopalings are cool and all, but they took up so much roster space, then the Wii U era dlc didn’t do much to help adding different versions of peach and Mario. Rosters have to be interesting as well as contain popular characters.
I honestly prefer the weird and wacky character choices in MK7 over the 7 koopalings and endless amounts of variants in MK8. I’ll go as far to say that base MK8 for the Wii U has the worst roster in the entire series.
R.O.B has been around since the 80's! He was sold bundled with some NES systems and was used to play two specific games with as a second player. His name is even an anagram for Robotic Operating Buddy. Mario Kart DS wasn't even the only time he's made an appearance in a game as he's also appeared in Startroppic which was released in 1990, F-Zero GX in 2003 and the Wario Ware series. He wasn't added into DS to "get people familiar with the character before Smash bros." He's been a part of Nintendo's history for a long, long while!
To be fair, a lot of the Nintendo demographic skews towards younger. A lot of kids and teens playing MK or Brawl just wouldn't know who R.O.B. is unless they have an older family member who's a big Nintendo head or someone like me who meticulously researches shit for literally no reason.
I’m convinced had the Koopalings been added to the wii cast, with all of those characters returning, everyone would actually be pretty happy with them being there.
To be fair I quite like the Koopalings, though they're just used as generic bosses they have an actual personality in the Bowser's Minions games as well as in the manga
Ngl I’d rather have characters like Honey queen than third party characters. I liked when Mario kart was still Mario Kart. Idk I always thought that the idea of the 3rd parties felt a bit cash grabby, and also characters like diddy king and birdo and king boo didn’t deserve to be initially cut in favor of the inklings and villagers
Link makes an appearance in Mario RPG making him technically a Mario character, and there is sufficient evidence that both franchises take place on the same planet
I don't mind a little bit of third party action, but it's a delicate balance for sure. Like R.O.B. was okay because he feels more like a representative of Nintendo as a whole (and really there's no advertising to be had from him. And tbh I didn't mind that much Link taking up a single slot (unlike the Inklings and Villagers which tbh should just have palette swap versions imo). And I'm also like the only person on the planet who would die of happiness if they brought back Don-chan from the Arcade game. But it is frustrating how, with only a few exceptions, there's almost no characters from games that branched off from Mario. Like there's Poochy and the Kongs sure, but where's the harm in making Ashley from Wario Ware playable for instance?
For 8 Deluxe I would have said female Villager! In the Wii U version she was an alternate costume for male Villager, but now she’s a separate character for no reason?
meh idk youd have to add inkling boy to your list since hes an alt in smash as well, it might of been cleaner just to keep them seperate since they use seperate models (like cat peach)
I guess Toadette and Waluigi have something in common, they're introduced in a spinoff because someone needed a partner, Wario needed a tennis partner and got Waluigi, and Toad needed a racing partner and got Toadette
What people criticized was that Waluigi couldn't appear in Wario's other games despite of that. Besides the idea is not quite necessary cause many major characters actually exist before Waluigi, like Foreman Spike and Gene Yuss. The issue is Nintendo skipped those choices and create a brand new character instead.
@@michaelkowal3230 uh if NIntnedo does'nt own him why would they be able to use Waluigi in other games? Games like Mario Kart has nothing to do with Camelot. Camelot was only suggesting his creation, not owning his copyright. It was a studio working for Nintendo under the contract, not an independent videogame publisher. And since Waluigi the character's concept is based on Mario, other companies cannot really own Waluigi as well.
@@Doracake don't ask me that as I don't fully know, but if he was Nintendo property, why isn't he in any main series game? Even Daisy is going to be in an upcoming game
@@michaelkowal3230 just like how this video talks about roster choices, at the end of day it's just Nintendos full decision freedom. It has nothing to do with copyright. We don't have to precisely discuss whether most past characters like Sprixie and Glydon have issues, it's simply just that Nintendo have no interest in them for new games.
@@IJC039 That would not work since they all weigh different. The only reason I'm fine with them being alts in smash is because smash is about all video game franchises and not just Mario so them being costumes to save space is fine.
@IJC039 This is not smash bros. This is a mario game, they been around longer then half the cast in the franchise and is one of the reasons why mario bros 3 and mario world are popular games. How people feel if waluigi, toadesdt or rosalina became palette swap?
@@superxavxii421 I don't think they're bad character but we get to know that they're inevitably arguable due to the diversity issue. People always want to see more different villains feature in Mario spinoffs that are not just from Bowser's army, like Petey, Willow, Fredrik, Hellen etc. All villains just come from Bowser's side is a boring move.
Petey Piranha was an integral boss in the biggest mario game of the time. Not a weird addition. Even king boo was a weirder addition at the time since he din't debut in a mainline mario game.
Funky Kong, Dixie Kong, and Poochy are what I hope is the beginning of a trend of Mario universe characters being added to Mario kart. DK, Yoshi, and Wario should be prioritized over non Mario characters. Also forgotten Mario characters would be great. Captain Syrup, Mona, K Rool, Stanley the Bugman, Raphael the Raven, Wart, and Foreman Spike really need the spotlight over Link and the Inklings who have plenty of attention
Oooof good additions, I even didn't recognize Stanley nor Captain Syrup. Here are then some other ideas: Gino, Shadow Mario, Piantas, Goombario, Shroobs, Kinopio, Gracovitz, Charles Bloquette, even Cappy, Captain Toad (so fun being heavyweight because of the backpack), or Penguin Luigi (continuing with the costumes as Tanooki and Cat do exist), that are actually characters from Mario Universe and could fit very well. Even 9-Volt could be a fun one. Cranky Kong is seen driving in the movie, so, here it is another crazy but reasonable one. And out of this universe, from other games, what about the collabs we already have? I mean: Sonic and a Rabbid. In addition: I agree. MKTour has given us a lot of really good characters that may be so fun and grateful to see in a mainline Mario Kart, such as King Bob-Omb, Poochy, Pauline, Monty Mole... But as seen, there are still more characters that could be included.
Goombella is the 1st Paper Mario character I think should be added to Mario Kart. She's cute & has so much personality in addition to being the 1st Partner in what many consider the best Paper Mario game. I have no clue who Stanley the Bugman, Gracovitz, or Kinopio are, although Geno, Captain Syrup, Mona, King K Rool, & Captain Toad are iconic. You should ask if they have Smash Spirits/Trophies, Captain Toad got his own game. Wart needs a modern redesign, although I would rather see a modern sequel to SMB2 USA than him being in a Kart Game.
@@WaterKirby1994 ooops, sorry. I told them in Spanish. Kinopio is Professor Toadsworth, while Grácovitz is Fawful. I think Goombella is from the 2nd Paper Mario. But, also, good choice. Also, another good addition could have been Daisy Elephant. BRO People are crazy with her! I still can't stand Funky Kong over Dixie Kong or Cranky Kong, but, whatever. Pauline is a good one.
@WaterKirby1994 see I didn't even touch the rpg series, Goombella is a great add because not only do you get rpg rep, you also get a female rep and a Goomba species rep. I'd also be quick to add Kammy and Vivien to represent the paper series. Fawful and Cackletta are perfect for the M+L series, and Geno and Mallow would be great. I also forgot to mention the Luigi mansion series but obviously they should be considered
Its contents can be shipped to other future console games so that does'nt matter. If they're independent their contents are not supposed to be compatible.
Poochy: I’m the weirdest character in Tour! 8-Bit DK Jr.: Hold my banana juice… Like, while Poochy is sort of weird, he makes sense as an extra Yoshi’s Island character, in the same vein of Diddy, Funky, and Dixie for DKC. But 8-Bit DK Jr. isn’t even in the same art style and isn’t a clone of Mario, so I’d say DK Jr. is the weirdest of that roster.
To me, no matter what, all racers deserve their spot, but if they are clones they do not deserve the spot at all. This video was fun to watch though. You also have to agree though, that without these additions, the roster would be terrible (obviously excluding the clones cause who cares about them)
I enjoy the fact that Waluigi isn't in mk7. It feels less toxic and chiller. Guess i still do nightmares of Waluigi and wiggler kart combo on deluxe lol
The Wiggler hate in the mario kart community is wild. I was so excited to see him being added and loved to play as him. I Hoped that he would be added in the DLC for Mario kart 8 Deluxe and I am so happy that he did return
I'm neuttal with him, but I think the hate is accpetable considering how many main characters need the chance to be in MK8, their fans are very desperate about it.
Baby Daisy made way more sense to me than Funky Kong. Just because a character is brand new to the series doesn't make them weird. Funky Kong has not interacted with anyone else on that roster and isn't even a main character in Donkey Kong Country. Dixie Kong had also been playable in a mario title prior to Mario Kart Wii's releasing while Funky Kong had never been.
@@worldof2ndfluteclarinet353 We can very sure DKC characters are in Mario sport games not because they were in other Mario games. That was never a necessary criteria.
For those who want to know, Pink Gold Peach come from ''Mario Sports Superstars'', a very unknown mario game on the 3ds, She was the secret unlockable caracter with metal mario, very lazy nintendo
I can agree with all of these. While they may be some bizarre choices, I can appreciate the inclusion of characters like Toadette, R.O.B. and to an extent even Honey Queen. I cannot however say the same about Pink Gold Peach. Also, I want to mention Baby Peach also had a major role in Yoshi’s Island DS which is a game I grew up with and find to be really underrated.
*The weirdest characters are always my favorite’s because the more normal characters are pretty boring compared to them. Like imagine playing as Mario in Mario Kart when you could play as Wiggler?*
Ngl I kinda like random editions and creating new characters just slots simply cause alot of people get really pressed about them and I find that extremely funny😅😂
Honey Queen exists for the same reason Pink Gold Peach does. They wanted more female reps, and specifically ones that could be used for the heavy classes. Unlike PGP, at least Honey Queen was an actual character before hand, and makes sense they'd wanna use her over some rando from games with less sales. Frankly, it was either her, or getting PGP a game earlier most likely.
I think Honey Queen would've been better than PGP due to being an established character in the Mario Galaxy series as well as appearing before in the Mario Kart series, specifically Mario Kart 7
@@deanmoriarty6015 i mean, do tell me who? It's pretty clear spin off characters are a no, so don't say wario ware or Mario RPGs characters, what's a heavyweight female character that they could have used back in 2014 and prior.
I would have put petey piranha, since he was clearly a joke character who obscures your vision of the road on purpose in double dash instead of toadette, and wario instead of DK in 64/SS since he was still a relatively new mario character at that point
He was one of the biggest and most iconic bosses of the mainline mario game of the generation. Even king boo is weirder since he didn't debut in a mainline mario game.
I'm only slightly annoyed by a comment made in the video, but pink gold peach was actually a very good choice. She was made to fill the heavyweight class for female characters, and wanted to have a rival for metal/gold Mario. With half the team consisting of females, they asked the females, what should the female counter part material be made of. Most said rose gold and would make sense for peach to have it, as she was the most recognizable female. So saying "I hope who ever made this is in time out" is kinda rude once you figure out it was an entire team of females try to have fun making a female heavyweight.
Baby Rosalina does not retcon her backstory, although I can see why people tend to think she does. The storybook has a simplified artstyle. And the hair color used in the book isn't actually that different from how it's depicted in 2D promo art for Rosalina. The clothing she wears doesn't ruin anything, because she was a Mushroom Kingdom princess. It makes sense for her to wear that fancy clothing as a kid, and star motifs are very common in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Waluigi was planned to be in 7, but because deadlines were becoming shorter and the games had to be ready before the holidays, they completely scrapped him and replaced him with that abomination
Ive still never heard a good excuse for why pink gold peach gets so much hate. The "its lazy" excuse just doesnt work for me and she does have a distinct look
Maybe just me, but 1 character I didn't mind & would love to see return is Red Paratroopa from Double Dash. A cute & harmless remodel of Green Koopa Troopa we always see. 2 ways I could see Koopa Paratroopa return would either be as his own character again. I mean why not? We already have Dry Bones, Koopa Troopa, & Bowser + Dry Bowser. Alternatively, just add Paratroopa + red & green variants to Koopa. It honestly wouldn't be hard at all to add a wing flapping animation &/or have Paratroopa hovering like he did while riding passenger in DD. Here's a bonus. Koopa & Paratroopa both had triple green & red shells for their special in DD. But if Koopa got triple shells, he would stack them. And if Paratroopa got triple shells, he would juggle them.
One issue is its similiarity with the regular green KT, and people want more unique characters across the franchise that not yet used in Mario Kart. Sure people do mind since not all of them are fan of KT.
Dk jr and dk from 64 to now, aren't the same kong Modern dk is jr's son But besides that, great video! Love how you do acknowledge tour as mainline(when most people don't even tho it is)
Sorry but how does this theory even work? Not once have we seen three different DKs across the family tree. If Cranky was the original DK and grew old then the same goes for DK Jr who grew to be the DK we know. Even Nintendo themselves illustrated this in the Mario movie, where DK is Cranky Kong's son!
@@INFERNO95 does not matter if they are not canon, Nintendo still illustrated this idea. Besides, not a single game featured the 3 kongs that are in the same family. So how is DK Jr any different from the modern DK? His clothing does not count.
Good list! Honestly, I would have taken Poochy over Pink Gold Peach in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe any day of the week! I'm kind of hoping Diddy and/or Funky make a return in Wave 6 of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
@@Doracake Yeah, it is pretty clear Pink Gold Peach was just quickly slapped together to add another character. It is just that she is a complete waste of a character slot. I would have taken any other independent Mario character over her.
Same,like they say she dint deserve to be in the game,but they say dk,diddy kong,dk.jr and link deserved to be in the game When dk.jr never even met mario
Super Mario Kart was released shortly before Donkey Kong Country so I guess Nintendo picked DK junior for their roster over DK because they didn't know just how sucessful DK Country was gonna be and since Rare was gonna most likely redesing the character anyway they didn't want DK to look outdated so quickly since they were still selling lots of copies of Mario Kart at that time.
Baby Rosilina is worse then Pink Gold Peach in my opionion. Because PGP at least fit a role only 1 other character did, that being female heavyweight. But Baby Rosilina didnt need to exist with Baby Peach and Baby Daisy, a Luma would have made more sence, and could have had alternative colors like Yoshi and Shy Guy.
I don't know why, but I have a feeling they will add R.O.B. in deluxe for wave 6. And yes I know that he isn't in tour, but they could do the same thing they did with wiggler. And don't use the "he won't work on bikes" argument, Nintendo will find a way if it does happen.
Super Mario Kart = DK Junior Mario Kart 64 = Wario Mario Kart Double Dash = Toadet Mario Kart DS = Rob Mario Kart Wii = funky Kong Mario Kart 7=Hunny Queen Mario Kart 8=Pink Gold Peach
i don't get how people get mad at the baby characters being made for the MK games, yet they're fine with toadette and waluigi?? even the creator of this video is showing random contempt for baby daisy yet he's completely normal when talking about toadette
The weirdest characters in Mario kart games, All the baby characters, pink gold peach, and Daisy. Baby’s can’t even drive so it makes no since why they get included, literally wasted slots for more potential characters.
I'm not sure what the point is. People don't like them mostly because they're same characters, so what about other original characters like Ashley and Sprixie? You mean they're not supposed to be in as well?
Small error with DK Jr. He is Cranky's son & modern DK's father Not a younger modern DK (thanks to Yoshi Island DS, we know what a younger modern DK looks like) Also i am still confused about this, why does Baby Rosalina not make sence with her backstory? In her backstory, we see Rosalina as a child, so she must also have been a baby at one point right? (Still a pointless character though)
Bowser Jr wasn't new to the Gamecube, he was the villain in Mario World 2 on the SNES... Poochy isn't as obscure as you think. He was playable in Tetris Attack, again on the SNES.
I made a small error in this video by saying DK JR is current day Donkey Kong. That is not true and he is actually current day Donkey Kong’s father. My bad, but thanks for all the love anyways ❤️
This got confusing in the Super Mario movie as the Donkey Kong we see is the son of Cranky so DKJR himself
lmao i was literally gonna comment this
Nintendo games don’t have real continuity it’s all fake don’t let people give you shit for it
They really should’ve chosen Lubba over a bee who had a total of like 2 minutes of screen time in each game
I still love her inclusion! Even though like you said they could’ve gotten someone else to represent the Galaxy games, she’s a fun addition
@@SuperJGGaming she's not that fun when you realise she had to be shrunk down 100 times her original size just to fit in a car
@@generalcrab0009 Some other bosses like King Bob-omb, too?
@@generalcrab0009wasn’t Petey massive in sunshine?
But again, she was added for the same reason as Pink Gold Peach. If Lubba were chosen over Honey Queen, then Rosalina would have been the _only_ female heavyweight until PGP (unless you have a female heavyweight Mii). They wanted to balance out the male-female ratio in each weight class. The only female Koopaling is Wendy, and she's a middleweight. The heavyweight Koopalings are Morton, Ludwig, Roy, and Iggy
The weird thing about King Boo to me in Double Dash is that it’s the third iteration of the character’s design in three years. To me the definitive version will always be the Luigi’s Mansion version. But it’s so weird that he had a complete design change in Sunshine and again in the Mario Kart series
They should just go with the Luigi’s mansion version all the time, it’s much cooler than just a boo with a gold crown
Kong boo from the Mario series and the one from Luigi mansion are two different versions of the character.
You could argue that there were different King Boos, one being the "son" of the other (however ghost mating works)
@@IJC039 agreed
The King Boo in Sunshine was fake & in Japan was Boss Boo completely different from King Boo. The King Boo in Double Dash would be the official King Boo design from that point on & it could once be explained by Luigi selling King Boo's Crown at the end of Luigi's Mansion.
Petey Piranha being added to 8 really weirds me out, seeing him use a piranha plant item is just wrong for some reason 😂
Just like king boo with boo item
Piranha Plant uses Petey Piranha as its final smash. It had to be done…
Just like koopa throwing green shells-
How is it weird? If anything it's the most fitting item for him lol
We got wiggler on wild wiggler
E Gadd was actually planned for Mario Kart DS but was replaced with Dry Bones. and his Poltergust kart got given to Luigi instead.
There's actually a reason DK Jr. was included in SNES over the adult Donkey Kong. His leotard made the sprite's different turning directions more easily readable than the all-brown DK would be from the back given the SNES's sprite limitations, especially on early releases for the console. This is also POSSIBLY why Kamek was originally slotted for N64 until an acceptable DK render was made.
My toxic trait is thinking Honey Queen isn’t that weird of a character. They needed a female heavy weight and I much rather have Honey Queen than inventing new characters to fill the gaps (how we got Pink Gold Peach & Baby Rosalina/Daisy)
Cackletta or Princess Shroob would work too, being the main vilain of their games though not seen a lot makes them arguably more important.
I don't hate Pink Gold Peach as much as other people do, but I still question her existnece
I dunno what RUclips has changed about the algorithm recently but it's nice to see it actually pushing content from comparably low sub counts on content as popular as Mario Kart. Great video, hope more people see it!
That aside, something interesting about DK Jr. in Super Mario Kart is that him being there probably has the single most influence a game could have on DK becoming a Mario spinoff mainstay. I think that alone makes him the "weirdest" choice. Nobody really would've expected someone from the DK arcade games that had no relevance to the newer Super Mario Bros. series. If that happened today, he'd be more of a guest character like Link or Animal Crossing. But ever since then, DK has had the privilege of being in basically every Mario spinoff (including Party, Sports, etc.) which I don't think would've been the case if Super Mario Kart were made AFTER the DKC reboot.
Thank you for those kind words and I'm so glad you enjoyed the video! DK JR's appearance in this game really did have a great impact on not only the Kong characters appearing in spinoff titles, but any sub Mario character with a spinoff series appearing, like Wario.
@@mikebryseHey uh you do know DK Jr is modern DKs dad right?
Technically Mario is a DK spinoff, so Mario kind of owes it to him... 😉
@@EdKolis Rip WarioLand/WarioWare characters
@__Soya__ not sure how canon the Mario movie is considered but in the movie DK calls Cranky Kong his dad and since we know Cranky is the original DK, that makes modern DK, DK Jr.
Weird is not usually a bad thing; one of the disappointing things about the initial Mario kart 8 roster was that it all felt so “normal” I mean yeah the koopalings are cool and all, but they took up so much roster space, then the Wii U era dlc didn’t do much to help adding different versions of peach and Mario. Rosters have to be interesting as well as contain popular characters.
I honestly prefer the weird and wacky character choices in MK7 over the 7 koopalings and endless amounts of variants in MK8. I’ll go as far to say that base MK8 for the Wii U has the worst roster in the entire series.
R.O.B has been around since the 80's! He was sold bundled with some NES systems and was used to play two specific games with as a second player. His name is even an anagram for Robotic Operating Buddy. Mario Kart DS wasn't even the only time he's made an appearance in a game as he's also appeared in Startroppic which was released in 1990, F-Zero GX in 2003 and the Wario Ware series. He wasn't added into DS to "get people familiar with the character before Smash bros." He's been a part of Nintendo's history for a long, long while!
Yes, but this is Mario regular game which isn't about NIntendo history in general.
To be fair, a lot of the Nintendo demographic skews towards younger. A lot of kids and teens playing MK or Brawl just wouldn't know who R.O.B. is unless they have an older family member who's a big Nintendo head or someone like me who meticulously researches shit for literally no reason.
@@DoracakeDoesn’t matter. 🤷♂️
@@yordansic what?
@@Doracake You know what I meant. Don't troll.
I’m convinced had the Koopalings been added to the wii cast, with all of those characters returning, everyone would actually be pretty happy with them being there.
I thought that they were on Wii thank to those hack videos
To be fair I quite like the Koopalings, though they're just used as generic bosses they have an actual personality in the Bowser's Minions games as well as in the manga
Manga????? Ain’t no way bro called mario minions from that universe an anime comic or book 💀
@@dil7508 The manga is about Mario World released in the 1990s
Honestly im shocked you never mentioned funky kong. He probably the most crazy yet iconic additon in mariokart next to rob and honeyqueen.
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He did mention Funky Kong in the video, idiot
Ngl I’d rather have characters like Honey queen than third party characters. I liked when Mario kart was still Mario Kart. Idk I always thought that the idea of the 3rd parties felt a bit cash grabby, and also characters like diddy king and birdo and king boo didn’t deserve to be initially cut in favor of the inklings and villagers
Link makes an appearance in Mario RPG making him technically a Mario character, and there is sufficient evidence that both franchises take place on the same planet
I don't mind a little bit of third party action, but it's a delicate balance for sure. Like R.O.B. was okay because he feels more like a representative of Nintendo as a whole (and really there's no advertising to be had from him. And tbh I didn't mind that much Link taking up a single slot (unlike the Inklings and Villagers which tbh should just have palette swap versions imo). And I'm also like the only person on the planet who would die of happiness if they brought back Don-chan from the Arcade game.
But it is frustrating how, with only a few exceptions, there's almost no characters from games that branched off from Mario. Like there's Poochy and the Kongs sure, but where's the harm in making Ashley from Wario Ware playable for instance?
For 8 Deluxe I would have said female Villager! In the Wii U version she was an alternate costume for male Villager, but now she’s a separate character for no reason?
meh idk youd have to add inkling boy to your list since hes an alt in smash as well, it might of been cleaner just to keep them seperate since they use seperate models (like cat peach)
Female Villager has different stats
Tonooki Mario and Cat Peach are weird additions. They should've been alts for their respective characters.
That intro was perfect
The calm voice mixed with the Bowser Shell bs was lovely
You could say that Mario Kart 7 had the most BAZAAR roster.
i don get it
@@alexanderman31 Shy Guy Bazaar bro
@@TheManOfManyNames. OOOOOOOH! I get it!
it's metal Mario who replaced waluigi plus metal mario is useless it's a clone a clone...
I guess Toadette and Waluigi have something in common, they're introduced in a spinoff because someone needed a partner, Wario needed a tennis partner and got Waluigi, and Toad needed a racing partner and got Toadette
What people criticized was that Waluigi couldn't appear in Wario's other games despite of that.
Besides the idea is not quite necessary cause many major characters actually exist before Waluigi, like Foreman Spike and Gene Yuss. The issue is Nintendo skipped those choices and create a brand new character instead.
@@Doracake probably because Nintendo doesn't own Waluigi, he was created by Camalot
@@michaelkowal3230 uh if NIntnedo does'nt own him why would they be able to use Waluigi in other games? Games like Mario Kart has nothing to do with Camelot.
Camelot was only suggesting his creation, not owning his copyright. It was a studio working for Nintendo under the contract, not an independent videogame publisher. And since Waluigi the character's concept is based on Mario, other companies cannot really own Waluigi as well.
@@Doracake don't ask me that as I don't fully know, but if he was Nintendo property, why isn't he in any main series game? Even Daisy is going to be in an upcoming game
@@michaelkowal3230 just like how this video talks about roster choices, at the end of day it's just Nintendos full decision freedom. It has nothing to do with copyright. We don't have to precisely discuss whether most past characters like Sprixie and Glydon have issues, it's simply just that Nintendo have no interest in them for new games.
Why hasn't Nintendo thought about adding Pianta, Whittle, The Chimp, or Fluzzard to the list of characters in Mario Kart?
piantas are a no brainer and im personally insulted that they haven’t made an appearance yet
Maybe the next MK game?
Cannot wait to be the ultimate Chuckster - by knocking my fellow racers off a cliff.
@@deanmoriarty6015Being “personally insulted” by that makes literally no sense. At all. 🙄
@@yordansic why are all of your replies just petty grievances towards people. is your life really boring or something?
Bro, they always throw sh¡t against Wiggler, as if they had taken Waluigi’s spot when it fact 🤓 it was METAL MARIO 👺👺
Fax
Koopaling hate is crazy. They are fun characters with great desgins imo. I never understood the hate
Yeah, but because they’re all related and similar, they should’ve been grouped together into one character, kind of like they are in super smash bros
@@IJC039 That would not work since they all weigh different. The only reason I'm fine with them being alts in smash is because smash is about all video game franchises and not just Mario so them being costumes to save space is fine.
@IJC039 This is not smash bros. This is a mario game, they been around longer then half the cast in the franchise and is one of the reasons why mario bros 3 and mario world are popular games. How people feel if waluigi, toadesdt or rosalina became palette swap?
My problem is that they take up too much character space. Other great ones like Pauline and Funky could've been in the game.
@@superxavxii421 I don't think they're bad character but we get to know that they're inevitably arguable due to the diversity issue. People always want to see more different villains feature in Mario spinoffs that are not just from Bowser's army, like Petey, Willow, Fredrik, Hellen etc. All villains just come from Bowser's side is a boring move.
I doubt toadette was the weirdest, I know it’s the first time, but she got so much more popular I say Petey Piranha.
Koopa paratroopa
I say Paratroopa
Petey Piranha was an integral boss in the biggest mario game of the time. Not a weird addition. Even king boo was a weirder addition at the time since he din't debut in a mainline mario game.
For double dash I’d say Paratroopa was the weirdest addition
Funky Kong, Dixie Kong, and Poochy are what I hope is the beginning of a trend of Mario universe characters being added to Mario kart. DK, Yoshi, and Wario should be prioritized over non Mario characters. Also forgotten Mario characters would be great. Captain Syrup, Mona, K Rool, Stanley the Bugman, Raphael the Raven, Wart, and Foreman Spike really need the spotlight over Link and the Inklings who have plenty of attention
Oooof good additions, I even didn't recognize Stanley nor Captain Syrup. Here are then some other ideas: Gino, Shadow Mario, Piantas, Goombario, Shroobs, Kinopio, Gracovitz, Charles Bloquette, even Cappy, Captain Toad (so fun being heavyweight because of the backpack), or Penguin Luigi (continuing with the costumes as Tanooki and Cat do exist), that are actually characters from Mario Universe and could fit very well. Even 9-Volt could be a fun one. Cranky Kong is seen driving in the movie, so, here it is another crazy but reasonable one.
And out of this universe, from other games, what about the collabs we already have? I mean: Sonic and a Rabbid.
In addition: I agree. MKTour has given us a lot of really good characters that may be so fun and grateful to see in a mainline Mario Kart, such as King Bob-Omb, Poochy, Pauline, Monty Mole... But as seen, there are still more characters that could be included.
Goombella is the 1st Paper Mario character I think should be added to Mario Kart. She's cute & has so much personality in addition to being the 1st Partner in what many consider the best Paper Mario game. I have no clue who Stanley the Bugman, Gracovitz, or Kinopio are, although Geno, Captain Syrup, Mona, King K Rool, & Captain Toad are iconic. You should ask if they have Smash Spirits/Trophies, Captain Toad got his own game. Wart needs a modern redesign, although I would rather see a modern sequel to SMB2 USA than him being in a Kart Game.
@@WaterKirby1994 ooops, sorry. I told them in Spanish. Kinopio is Professor Toadsworth, while Grácovitz is Fawful.
I think Goombella is from the 2nd Paper Mario. But, also, good choice.
Also, another good addition could have been Daisy Elephant. BRO People are crazy with her! I still can't stand Funky Kong over Dixie Kong or Cranky Kong, but, whatever. Pauline is a good one.
@WaterKirby1994 see I didn't even touch the rpg series, Goombella is a great add because not only do you get rpg rep, you also get a female rep and a Goomba species rep. I'd also be quick to add Kammy and Vivien to represent the paper series. Fawful and Cackletta are perfect for the M+L series, and Geno and Mallow would be great. I also forgot to mention the Luigi mansion series but obviously they should be considered
Glad you included Tour as a main game since some refuse to (more likely due to it being a mobile game, even though Nintendo sees it as a main one)
Its contents can be shipped to other future console games so that does'nt matter. If they're independent their contents are not supposed to be compatible.
Poochy: I’m the weirdest character in Tour!
8-Bit DK Jr.: Hold my banana juice…
Like, while Poochy is sort of weird, he makes sense as an extra Yoshi’s Island character, in the same vein of Diddy, Funky, and Dixie for DKC. But 8-Bit DK Jr. isn’t even in the same art style and isn’t a clone of Mario, so I’d say DK Jr. is the weirdest of that roster.
I would agree, but I counted the 8-bit characters as ‘costume’ characters for the sake of this video.
To me, no matter what, all racers deserve their spot, but if they are clones they do not deserve the spot at all. This video was fun to watch though. You also have to agree though, that without these additions, the roster would be terrible (obviously excluding the clones cause who cares about them)
It’d be fine if they were alternate skins kind of like Yoshi Shy Guy and Birdo have alternate colors
@@mayjorpayn yes, if they were skins it be better, but oh well, what can you do lol
what REALLY doesnt make sense about the inklings is. that in the games you die on when touching water yet they can drive underwater
I was thinking the same thing.
I enjoy the fact that Waluigi isn't in mk7. It feels less toxic and chiller. Guess i still do nightmares of Waluigi and wiggler kart combo on deluxe lol
The Wiggler hate in the mario kart community is wild. I was so excited to see him being added and loved to play as him. I Hoped that he would be added in the DLC for Mario kart 8 Deluxe and I am so happy that he did return
No Wiggler hate here. He was just a weirder addition, but thats ok
I'm neuttal with him, but I think the hate is accpetable considering how many main characters need the chance to be in MK8, their fans are very desperate about it.
I agree, E. Gadd should be added to the Mario Kart series.
Maybe next Mario Kart they might add him much like how Kamek finally got added year later.
@@Dremag_Gaming People complain casue they feel like the older characters should get in first before adding more newcomers.
I did not know Mario kart tour had so many characters til this video
Nah, Funky Kong is more random than Baby Daisy in MKWii
Funky Kong is so cool and is the best character of the game. Is original
I also see the integration of Funky Kong as more arbitrary than Baby Daisy.
Dk Jr. Is actually the FATHER of current DK.
Baby Daisy made way more sense to me than Funky Kong. Just because a character is brand new to the series doesn't make them weird. Funky Kong has not interacted with anyone else on that roster and isn't even a main character in Donkey Kong Country. Dixie Kong had also been playable in a mario title prior to Mario Kart Wii's releasing while Funky Kong had never been.
Funky Kong already appeared in past games? He isn't a new character.
@@Doracake past MARIO titles?
@@worldof2ndfluteclarinet353 We can very sure DKC characters are in Mario sport games not because they were in other Mario games. That was never a necessary criteria.
For those who want to know, Pink Gold Peach come from ''Mario Sports Superstars'', a very unknown mario game on the 3ds,
She was the secret unlockable caracter with metal mario, very lazy nintendo
Mario Kart 8 is older than Mario Sports Superstars, she originates from MK8
@@scarlataps3 sorry, I forgot that mario kart 8 lasted for nearly 10 year😅 so she just make a appearence
I can agree with all of these. While they may be some bizarre choices, I can appreciate the inclusion of characters like Toadette, R.O.B. and to an extent even Honey Queen. I cannot however say the same about Pink Gold Peach. Also, I want to mention Baby Peach also had a major role in Yoshi’s Island DS which is a game I grew up with and find to be really underrated.
I loved Yoshi's Island DS
@@mikebryse Same and I still do!
Bee Queen is just Waluigi in a mascot suit
1:39 they did this because it was the 10 year anniversary for donkey Kong junior so they did it for that reason
*The weirdest characters are always my favorite’s because the more normal characters are pretty boring compared to them. Like imagine playing as Mario in Mario Kart when you could play as Wiggler?*
Agreed! I love the weird characters
Wiggler is actually my new favorite in mk8dx, I think it’s cool how he turns into the angry version when he gets hit.
The Inklings in _MarioKart 8 Deluxe_ make sense as it’s a port of _MarioKart 8_ which was a Wii U game, and _Splatoon_ as a series began on the Wii U.
Bro I was playing R.O.B, baby daisy, and honey queen 💀
5:58 link: I’m in 8 deluxe but not the weirdest? Captain Falcon: I have 2 tracks based on my game yet I’m not in the game. That’s weird
Ngl I kinda like random editions and creating new characters just slots simply cause alot of people get really pressed about them and I find that extremely funny😅😂
Honey Queen exists for the same reason Pink Gold Peach does. They wanted more female reps, and specifically ones that could be used for the heavy classes. Unlike PGP, at least Honey Queen was an actual character before hand, and makes sense they'd wanna use her over some rando from games with less sales. Frankly, it was either her, or getting PGP a game earlier most likely.
I think Honey Queen would've been better than PGP due to being an established character in the Mario Galaxy series as well as appearing before in the Mario Kart series, specifically Mario Kart 7
i mean there’s options aside from PGP and honeybee
@@deanmoriarty6015 who else would fit the role of a female heavy class?
@@deanmoriarty6015 i mean, do tell me who? It's pretty clear spin off characters are a no, so don't say wario ware or Mario RPGs characters, what's a heavyweight female character that they could have used back in 2014 and prior.
@@ddraven3180 Pauline, Captain Syrup, Pom Pom.
If pink peach dint deserve to be in the game,donkey kong,diddy kong,dk.jr,link dint deserve either
WE NEED HONEY QUEEN IN MK8D OMG
Yes queen 😍😍😍
I would have put petey piranha, since he was clearly a joke character who obscures your vision of the road on purpose in double dash instead of toadette, and wario instead of DK in 64/SS since he was still a relatively new mario character at that point
He was one of the biggest and most iconic bosses of the mainline mario game of the generation. Even king boo is weirder since he didn't debut in a mainline mario game.
Mario kart 7 and mario kart 8 are the only mario kart games to have a weird character roster
Honestly I don’t mind weird character rosters at all. They make the games memorable and as long as they’re not clones I’m good.
@@endstoneninja3845 I definitely agree with you but there is oready mario kart clones like pink gold peach
@@dallasdiaz2130MK seven only had one clone while MK 8 had 9 clones I think
DS was just as weird
@@MP_Guz what you mean the ds was just as weird you realize the is talking about weird mario kart characters not a ds are you a blind idiot
Honey queen is kinda weird to bring in a Mario kart where there are many other popular characters.
I'm only slightly annoyed by a comment made in the video, but pink gold peach was actually a very good choice. She was made to fill the heavyweight class for female characters, and wanted to have a rival for metal/gold Mario. With half the team consisting of females, they asked the females, what should the female counter part material be made of. Most said rose gold and would make sense for peach to have it, as she was the most recognizable female.
So saying "I hope who ever made this is in time out" is kinda rude once you figure out it was an entire team of females try to have fun making a female heavyweight.
9:03 Metal Mario was sh*t, it should’ve been Waluigi 👺
Baby Rosalina does not retcon her backstory, although I can see why people tend to think she does.
The storybook has a simplified artstyle. And the hair color used in the book isn't actually that different from how it's depicted in 2D promo art for Rosalina. The clothing she wears doesn't ruin anything, because she was a Mushroom Kingdom princess. It makes sense for her to wear that fancy clothing as a kid, and star motifs are very common in the Mushroom Kingdom.
Mario kart is a spinoff game that has no effect on the mainline games.
Waluigi was planned to be in 7, but because deadlines were becoming shorter and the games had to be ready before the holidays, they completely scrapped him and replaced him with that abomination
it's metal Mario who replaced waluigi plus metal mario is useless it's a clone a clone...
That is great. Wiggler is way way better than Waluigi the second worst character in existence.
Ive still never heard a good excuse for why pink gold peach gets so much hate. The "its lazy" excuse just doesnt work for me and she does have a distinct look
People mind original characters without proper introduction, tho. Like, Nintendo could had made her a powerup or a temporary boss in a previous game.
Maybe just me, but 1 character I didn't mind & would love to see return is Red Paratroopa from Double Dash. A cute & harmless remodel of Green Koopa Troopa we always see.
2 ways I could see Koopa Paratroopa return would either be as his own character again. I mean why not? We already have Dry Bones, Koopa Troopa, & Bowser + Dry Bowser.
Alternatively, just add Paratroopa + red & green variants to Koopa. It honestly wouldn't be hard at all to add a wing flapping animation &/or have Paratroopa hovering like he did while riding passenger in DD.
Here's a bonus. Koopa & Paratroopa both had triple green & red shells for their special in DD.
But if Koopa got triple shells, he would stack them. And if Paratroopa got triple shells, he would juggle them.
One issue is its similiarity with the regular green KT, and people want more unique characters across the franchise that not yet used in Mario Kart. Sure people do mind since not all of them are fan of KT.
if you didn't notice mario kart tour is actually a mario kart 7 but with more stuff and reused assets from mk7 and mk8
It’s actually not.
I like the Honey Queen.🐝👑 I hope I'm not alone with that. 🙏🏼
Dk jr and dk from 64 to now, aren't the same kong
Modern dk is jr's son
But besides that, great video! Love how you do acknowledge tour as mainline(when most people don't even tho it is)
Donkey Kong JR was released in the first mario Kart because that was in 1992 and donkey Kong JR was released in 1982.
8:37 I can’t believe you did that. If you came up with that yourself you’re a genius LMAO
I was so proud of that joke 😝
Fun fact: Mario is in every Mario Kart game.
NO WAY!
How come everyone always makes this mistake? Dkjr is Modern Dk's dad. The original Dk is cranky kong and Modern Dk's grandpa
Sorry but how does this theory even work? Not once have we seen three different DKs across the family tree. If Cranky was the original DK and grew old then the same goes for DK Jr who grew to be the DK we know. Even Nintendo themselves illustrated this in the Mario movie, where DK is Cranky Kong's son!
@@brektelgmg The movies are not Canon.
@@INFERNO95 does not matter if they are not canon, Nintendo still illustrated this idea. Besides, not a single game featured the 3 kongs that are in the same family. So how is DK Jr any different from the modern DK? His clothing does not count.
A point for why dk is 64’s weirdest character is that dk isn’t dk jr he’s actually dk jr’s son
Good list! Honestly, I would have taken Poochy over Pink Gold Peach in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe any day of the week! I'm kind of hoping Diddy and/or Funky make a return in Wave 6 of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.
Strange they only added PGP because they wanted another heavy-weight, female driver but PAULINE was RIGHT THERE
@@red_swan_ Honestly, yes, that makes no sense. Pauline would have made so much more sense. I would have taken almost any other character over PGP.
If pink gold peach dint deserve to be in the game,lets not talk abt donkey kong or link and the whole donkey kong familly
@@mattb6522 to be real, the character clones mean to save the budget and Poochy was made after MK8. So they're different deals.
@@Doracake Yeah, it is pretty clear Pink Gold Peach was just quickly slapped together to add another character. It is just that she is a complete waste of a character slot. I would have taken any other independent Mario character over her.
congratulations on 2k!!!
Thank you! I appreciate your support!!
HEY!!! Pink Gold Peach might be a weird addition, but I love her all the same! I WON'T TAKE ANY PINK GOLD PEACH SLANDER!!!
I love her too 💖
As a Pink Gold Peach fan, i hate all the hate she gets
Same,like they say she dint deserve to be in the game,but they say dk,diddy kong,dk.jr and link deserved to be in the game
When dk.jr never even met mario
Me too!
Super Mario Kart was released shortly before Donkey Kong Country so I guess Nintendo picked DK junior for their roster over DK because they didn't know just how sucessful DK Country was gonna be and since Rare was gonna most likely redesing the character anyway they didn't want DK to look outdated so quickly since they were still selling lots of copies of Mario Kart at that time.
What about the 3 arcade mario karts? i guess blinky, mametchi and don chan would be the weirdest?
Baby Rosilina is worse then Pink Gold Peach in my opionion. Because PGP at least fit a role only 1 other character did, that being female heavyweight. But Baby Rosilina didnt need to exist with Baby Peach and Baby Daisy, a Luma would have made more sence, and could have had alternative colors like Yoshi and Shy Guy.
I don't know why, but I have a feeling they will add R.O.B. in deluxe for wave 6. And yes I know that he isn't in tour, but they could do the same thing they did with wiggler. And don't use the "he won't work on bikes" argument, Nintendo will find a way if it does happen.
I hate the "he won't work on bikes" argument. Especially since it's already been disproven cause someone made a ROB mod for 8 Deluxe
Dudeee! Amazing video ❤ you're awesome
Super Mario Kart = DK Junior
Mario Kart 64 = Wario
Mario Kart Double Dash = Toadet
Mario Kart DS = Rob
Mario Kart Wii = funky Kong
Mario Kart 7=Hunny Queen
Mario Kart 8=Pink Gold Peach
i don't get how people get mad at the baby characters being made for the MK games, yet they're fine with toadette and waluigi?? even the creator of this video is showing random contempt for baby daisy yet he's completely normal when talking about toadette
Rob used to be a console add-on.
wiggler
was a perfect choice
for mario kart 7
🐛🐛🐛🐛
Modern Donkey Kong isn't Donkey Kong Jr., is the grandson of the original Donkey Kong, aka Cranky, so logically he should be the son of DK Jr.
the koopalings are my favorite mk8 racers you buggin
Wendy better be your favourite. She is the moment!
Don’t hate on Wiggler he’s awesome!
Not hating at all. He’s fun, just a little weird compared to the other characters in the game
Pink gold peach is great i main her and Rosalina
Hell, a waddle doo would fit in better then pink gold
BEAM ATTACK
Baby Daisy and Rosalina may have been weird, but hey I am glad they were introduced.
Donkey Kong is not DK Jr grown up.
The Modern Donkey Kong is DK Jr's son, and Cranky Kong's grandson.
The weirdest characters in Mario kart games, All the baby characters, pink gold peach, and Daisy. Baby’s can’t even drive so it makes no since why they get included, literally wasted slots for more potential characters.
I'm not sure what the point is. People don't like them mostly because they're same characters, so what about other original characters like Ashley and Sprixie? You mean they're not supposed to be in as well?
In Mario Kart 64 and Mario Kart Super Circuit there are no uncommon playable characters.
Small error with DK Jr.
He is Cranky's son & modern DK's father
Not a younger modern DK (thanks to Yoshi Island DS, we know what a younger modern DK looks like)
Also i am still confused about this, why does Baby Rosalina not make sence with her backstory? In her backstory, we see Rosalina as a child, so she must also have been a baby at one point right? (Still a pointless character though)
She didn't get the crown or dress until she was a pre-teen, or at least around school age. But she didn't as a baby.
@@Swagpion ah okey
Mario kart is not Canon to the mainline games.
If you ask me, Tony Sopranos was the weirdest character added to tour
You leave my pink gold peach alone. Also while you’re at it give me lilac rosé daisy please.
Im game for more Daisy reps!
Bowser Jr wasn't new to the Gamecube, he was the villain in Mario World 2 on the SNES...
Poochy isn't as obscure as you think. He was playable in Tetris Attack, again on the SNES.
That was Baby Bowser in Super Mario World 2, the child form of Bowser
@@mikebryse That's not the same thing?
@@chiffmonkey No. Bowser Jr is Bowser’s son
@@mikebryseAh I see, but they look so similar that it hardly matters, both are iconic because both look so similar. Like how DK isn't the original DK.
Toadette was a new character created for Double Dash.
DK Jr., Petey Piranha, Daisy, Mii Outfit B, Wigger, Pink Gold Peach
Honestly. I like pink gold peach. Infact she's my main. But if you like her thats fine. Its your opinion
Inklings fit better into Mario Kart then Link 😂
True. But Link was in the original Mario Kart 8, therefore his inclusion in 8 Deluxe isn't weird.
*than
Link appears in Mario RPG, and there are many references between both franchises. It is very likely that both franchises take place on the same planet
Admittedly, I kinda like Honey queen!!!
There aren’t many characters as unique as her, so Mario kart made some great choices over the years!
Isn't DK the son of DK Jr?
Queen bee is never coming back for what she did in 7
What did she do?
@@theshadowworld2239 stole waluigis spot
@@ashmander3465 Metal Mario did that.
Metal Mario is not heavy enough like waluigi and Honey Queen
@@ashmander3465 so?
Plus I’m pretty sure Metal is heavier than both of em.
There is no way you chose inkling over a ducking villager. Or a FURRY PEACH!