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YOU ARE CLEARLY ----------------> "HATING ON" MANON 😒 1. Did you really watch the whole documentary or are you simply doing this (hating on her) just to fish for likes etc? 2. Didn't you say you're from the industry? Since when does star power not factor into the equation when forming groups or choosing solo artists? 3. Without Manon, I and a lot of people I know wouldn't even care about this group! 4. You're from the industry, yeah? Then put your money where your mouth is…why don't you go and find your eliminated favs and create your own girl group. Let's see how far they'll go with their minuscule/barely there "it factor/star power!" *** BTW, I'm just a passerby (not some Manon stan or whatever) but even I can glean that you are "coming for" her for no da*n good reason!
Lexi was my ALL TIME FAVORITE, and when mitra initially sends her home she was digging to get a rise out of Lexi. I’m so glad that Lexi didn’t give her the satisfaction or didn’t cry or respond with any type of drama, because that’s all mitra really wanted out of that engagement. She didn’t care about Lexi as a person only as a rating. I commend Lexis reaction to the elimination and acting on integrity. She definitely deserved a spot in the group but it is what it is…
Also mentioning that during that final meeting, Mitra even mentions that Lexi had previously asked to leave and was denied, only to tell her basically "you're not breaking up with us, we are breaking up with you". This young girl showed more poise, rationality and maturity than a 40-something acting like a petty child. Lexi was always a fav of mine but on that scene she blew me away.
You can 'create' a pseudo star - but Lexie, by standing up for what is right, is the only REAL star. I hope she outshines Katseye and goes on to bigger better things. She deserves it.
It was so weird of them to keep her in even tho she said she wanted to leave. Remember in the show how they only decided to let her go was because she didn’t show up for ten days buuuuuuut she literally told them beforehand that she wanted to quit that was just so evil of the producers 😡😡
I hate how they tried to play off Lexie leaving was their idea when she expressed wanting to leave like 10 days before that😭 so glad she didn’t let them have that satisfaction
She was just smart. She understood that signing to a label is a trap actually. Lack of freedom, no privacy and no escape possible. Look how idols are exploited by the label and all this for crumbs since labels take 90% of the profit. And all this to be tossed away by the label for newbies once you get old. I think she probably changed her mind after reading Hybe's slave contract and she's right. Never trade your freedom for temporary fame
I litteraly didn't care about her because she wasn't really as "present" in the show as the other ones but she gained all ly respect when she left cuz I agree girl
exactly, I dislike how kpop targets kids. like pls let minors finish high school. they can debut after they're an adult and have enjoyed their childhood.
it was really annoying that the girls were lied to because adela literally spent one whole year training and she was consisently at the top few spots but got kicked out just because of fan votes.. like if they wanted this to be also based on fan votes then they shouldnt have wasted the girls time.. imagine spending one whole year training and being lied to and js getting removed coz of 1 voting
This is exactly why I cannot agree with anyone who sees Adela as a villain (or in some cases, a raging racist apparently). Simplifying her attitude as "mean girl behavior" is so demeaning towards everything she and the original group of girls worked for. She's a girl from a tiny country who only wanted to accomplish her dream and had it blow up in her face because executives wanted to make a whole spectacle out of it. As soon as fan voting became an aspect she (along with Iliya) lost any and all chance of getting into the group considering her background and having no "homebase" of supporters who would rally behind her. Having a show where an executive literally smiles like a psychopath about how her evil plan to create public drama in a group of young girls worked yet the fans believing and acting like *those* exploited girls are the spawn of satan is insane.
it was so unfair to adela and the executives knew, that's why her leaving was the most broadcasted among all the girls that left, they wanted more "drama" and used her for it. Also she was one of the few to really speak their mind and name people for what they were doing, she was brave and that unfortunately came out as jealousy to some people watching... I think the group came out nicely at the end but they didn't need to hurt some girls so much on the process
@@StarryHoshi If she hadn't spoken about her issues with Manon behind her back I wouldn't have seen her in a negative light. I wish she hadn't spoke about it when Manon wasn't present, I believe if you have a problem with someone always say it to their face not behind their back. I get why she'd feel that way, but it wasn't nice of her to do that.
The whole show was a mess filled with contradictions. like, sending abby home because she has no formal experience (like you said why did they choose her in the first place?) and then choosing manon who has also has no experience?
its truly so hypocritical. especially when they all were caught with private Instagrams and Missy only eliminated one of them, or Lexi being let go for missing practice (instead of saying she quit) when manon missed a bunch of days of practice before she got sick too.
Manon had a massive social media presence and was 'pretty' and had a Sweden behind her rather than Abby who was very young and from US. They were strategic at spreading out the girls. They so wrong though, they really exposed themselves tbh, that most girls in the final 20 never had a chance in he'll. They all already had a top 10, rhe other 10 were just sacrifices for the reality bit. Very cruel. I felt for Samara because she said multiple times how poor she was which I reckon the producer made her say that- so just felt even more crushing, her not getting through as it would have been life changing (if the group make it anyway).
@@Natta44samara definitely had a big chance of making it. SHE fucked it up for herself by revealing her tiktok (she was exposed for being racist towards Indians, and some other races, zionist stuff, cult church, etc. it was real messy) I wouldn't want someone like that on a team, or a show, where people of those races are RIGHT NEXT TO HER
@@Natta44 FR even Lexi should have debuted instead of Manon who has no experience,they elliminated Abby for no experience but Manon was able to debut even though she had very little talent?And Manon constantly missed practice before she got sick..just cause she is "pretty" does not mean they should pick her.Such a biased show
I dont care what anybody says, the decisions they made during this survival show was so wrong. Having a robot tell these poor girls that they wont be achieving their dreams and forcing the girls to choose who they would want in the group to create "drama" Is just plain cruel. edit: I dont care if other survival shows did worse things, it doesnt make it any better. A lot of trainees show visible distress after competing in survival shows and it showed that it ruined their mental health. Plus it could ruin a group’s potential dynamic as they’re being forced to be nice to each other after being betrayed 💀
I agree- they made these poor girls fodder for ratings. Young women and in some cases, still underaged kids in this hunger games style bullshit. When I hear Hybe and Geffen, I think negatively about those two words- truly messed up shit.
"It's entertainment" - What a sociopath. It's bad enough to have watch all the downs with the group but think about being in the girl's shoes. This will live with them for life. That all being said, the girls who made the group all worked hard and I'm proud of them.
Fr she pissed me off with her fake ass „I understood why many of the girls were hurt“ but then she goes and adds her contradiction in the very same statement „obviously ‚some‘ people didn’t like but a lot of people loved it it was one of our highest rank view count“ 17:12 like bitch obviously you care more about the latter!! Also Lexi done deadass clocked her. Such a queen.
Adela was robbed. She awas always in top 3 or 4 and she would likely have made it to final group if they sticked to the original concept, without survival trash voting system. Lexie really did a queen move leaving like this not taking the bait and staying so calm and delicate, incredible. Emily too of course, was robbed... i hope the younger girl will have an other chance later, and that people took notice of Adela, Lexie and all of them because they have talent for sure
@@noadl9189 that’s the thing thought despite doing well in training it wasn’t at all guaranteed that Adela would have made the group. Even without the show.
@@DSQueenieShe was one of the fav of the professors and acording to the evaluations was 3rd or 4th every week. So if it was just the judges choice she would have debut. The same goes with Emily if it was acording to evaluations. They were my favs so I was dissapointent that neither of them made it.
She was lacking star quality, and looked too old to be in a pop group- the lip injections didn’t help her either… and yes, I am being brutal-that’s how it is in this warped, shallow industry. (Been in it for 11 years & counting).
@@itsliterallyjustamy Yeah they should have kept her in longer. If she had been able to show her vocals, I am sure she would have gotten more votes. There were others in the bottom part of the votes who were less skilled that should have been eliminated earlier.
@@Hannah-vt7lc she also had zero support from her homeland because literally almost no one from Eastern Europe is interested in K-pop and no one even knew about this
The people sending hate to Sophia and Lara right after the documentary came out... they were being criticized for working hard and holding Manon accountable??? Are people actually insane?! Manon fixed her problems. But the people saying she was targeted and bullied for being pretty... context is everything and they're missing all of it.
I honestly think Manon fans must know they're in the wrong, that they feel guilty voting in someone totally based on looks. Thing is, I watched it all unfold right when it happened and plenty of us pointed out that Manon's skills were lacking, even in the Buttons performance she has many moments where she's dead in the face. The part I disliked the most is Manon and Nayoung overlapped a little to make it look like Manon was singing the note Nayoung was belting out.
@@NickaLah Comments like this are the reason Manon fans are upset (real ones, not the trolls that watched clips from the documentary and are hating on the rest of the group). Manon was more memorable than a lot of the other trainees, that’s why she got far and other more skilled trainees did not. Her vocal tone was unique compared to the other contestants and she always stood out in performances. I wasn’t super invested in the show but I watched the performances and voted with my friends. All 3 of us had Manon in our top picks because we enjoyed her performances and could remember what she did in them. All the contestants were pretty, so there’s no way Manon could’ve been in the top 6 solely based on that🤷♀️
@@sausee333 she was not more memorable.. she was prettier. theres a difference. out of all the girls she was far from even being top 10 on dance and singing and her eyes were always empty while performing... she was just pretty and yall KNOW that but love to keep saying its not true
Whenever Mitra, or the view-hungry demon, would come on screen I would immediately roll my eyes expecting her to just add more drama, she did not care about these girls at all. I don't care if it was a success, she should be fired for putting these girls through that type of trauma. While a lot of the staff members should not have lied to these girls about the survival show aspect, you could tell they at least cared. For example, Missy shouldn't have lied to them, but you could see the way she cared for and loved these girls. Mitra did not care one bit
Missy looked as done as Lex in some of the scenes from half way through, really cared for the girls, imo. I think a lot of the coaches had good vibes. In my experience, coaches, songwriters, musicians, dancers, the more creative and artsy sides of the industry are the best parts and best people in it. They have a heart.
especially when Lexie wanted to leave, and Mitra turned it around and said 'because you haven't attended, we have to let you go, you cannot work on the level we need you at' as if Lexie had failed them, rather than Lexie being real and leaving the nonsense going on
This show is dystopian. It's like the hunger games for the music industry, its children signing years of their lives away to be lied to and tricked by capitalists. These labels have all the power in the situation, they know these girls are hungry for their dreams and they know they can get them to do whatever they want. Its sick. And all for the mob of fans to watch them suffer and squirm, having their dreams snatched from them and being completely unaware it was gonna go down like that. No fairness or accountability. Wouldn't expect any less from Geffen and Hybe tbh.
I get the girls' frustration with Manon. I just want to point out that Mitra was obviously farming for drama, and Manon getting to break rules before the survival show started was likely a part of that. A lot of the disconnect between them during the T&D process was ultimately down to a combination of miscommunication and cultural differences. Think about this: Manon is from Switzerland, upper-class, and not a Kpop fan. She straight up said that she was going to treat T&D like school where she could miss days when she was feeling unwell or unmotivated, and no one corrected her. Son even told her that it didn't matter if she was the best singer or dancer as long as she worked hard, and I believe she interpreted that as when she comes to practice, then that's when she puts in the work. We saw her taking notes during rehearsals, and Son even said that you'd never notice that she did if you watched performances after Fearless. I know as a fan that I didn't! But, in the girl's POV, they've been told for a year or 2 in T&D that putting in the work is what gets them to debut, but it doesn't. They were lied to! What was once a competition based on hard work is suddenly a popularity contest. A lot of contestants - even very talented contestants like Lara and Sophia - are getting voted for based on nationality and representation. And Manon, a new girl who got to break rules and miss rehearsals up until it was go time for Dream Academy, was an automatic fan favorite! I'd feel upset too. They worked it out, and I'm happy for them! If you watch Katseye's content, it's clear the girls have a great bond, so they're fine. Personally, I don't like the Kpop system of young people training everyday day - literally giving themselves injuries and ruining their mental and physical health - all for a small shot at fame. Lexie is way too young to be having hip injuries. Their shouldn't be a dedicated balcony in a house where girls go to have mental breakdowns. And a former trainee of the program revealed that she had to leave because she developed an ED. It's cruel, and if anything, I wish more girls got to take break more rules like Manon did. Still, there was literally no reason for her to not be following the rules of T&D without getting kicked out. So it HAD to be deliberate. Mitra said it herself - that drama gets views. And we're all talking about it; whether you think this reflects badly on her work ethic or are fiercely defending her, we're still talking. So much that it trended on Netflix and the show blew up. Likely according to plan! Anyway, stan Katseye and stream SIS is Strong! "My Way" is my favorite on the album. What's yours?
@@SophiaZhu-zr2fl Influenced? I wasn't getting at that at all. I think she got away with breaking rules because of Mitra; I don't think Mitra deliberately put her up to it though. When Manon told her personal trainer that it's hard for her to stay motivated and she went to a school that allowed her to skip days if she was feeling unmotivated or unwell, I think Mitra took advantage of that information by letting her get away with the same behavior during training and development + having nobody really tell her the actual rules and expectations fr. Manon just did what she was used to doing in school. She's not a Kpop fan, and didn't really understand the whole trainee system that well. Otherwise, Missy and Son definitely would've told her something instead of the occasional comment about her being late or missing. It all felt like a chess move by the executive board for the Netflix show to get people talking.
Mitra is so DISGUSTING actually. She looks like a 40 year old but acts more immature than even the youngest contestant on the show. Lexi owning Mitra was the best thing to come out of this netflix doc
People have got to understand where the girls were coming from with frustration about Manon. Contestants were getting cut for not being strong enough all-rounders and then they brought in essentially an Istagram model who was not notably skilled at either singing or dancing. Then you let her break rules, skip class and live alone and none of that matters the way it would if the other girls did it. Then fans like her because she looks good on camera (come on, that contrubuted the most to her "star quality" since she's not particularly charismatic or expressive.) But in the end I think Manon worked harder and improved her skill set a lot and I'm not mad she made it in the group... Though I definitely would have picked someone else if it were up to me... To act think she was the only one with star quality was crazy, the top ten, they ALL shined.
But you need to take a step and really examine why you are upset, as did these girls. Manon did not look for this opportunity, it was given to her by the producers; she didn't manipulate her way to the top of the rankings, fans put her there; her discomfort with her skill level led her to breaking rules and the people meant to enforce those rules, excused her. There was a lot of ire towards Manon that was unwarranted. It's just confusing overall.
I think if they really wanted us to think the girl group were all fun bff they shouldnt have let fans vote. How can fans choose a group dynamic? They choose individuals
@@BittersweetMayhem i mean allowing voting to be interactive did lead the group to be more talked about and gained attention. As well as help see who fans are more drawn too. Alot of groups fail because the audience isn't interested in them visually.
this show honestly broke my heart, I’m around the same age as most of these girls and I have no idea how they didn’t have a mental breakdown when u look at how much and hard they had to train + then the whole survival show thing 😭
so trueee I also wonder how some of the members who had absolutely no screen time felt... like im from argentina and it just kinda sucks that the Latin American girls barely get any screen time. It feels like they were just used for their fandom and discarded us when we weren't of use anymore
@@englishblade idk what world u live in cause this is not the average teen girl experience😭 those girls had to train for HOURS every day and then their lives were broadcasted to the whole world while constantly being under the threat that their dream would be ruined or their friends were getting sent home…
lexie is so respectable for leaving. She would've absolutely been in the group and still chose to leave. It annoyed me how they tried to twist it as them kicking her out when it was clear it was her choice
i honestly believe that after 2nd elimination, lexie asked to go home and they didn't let her based on contract obligations, so she started bunking practice. the way the devil-woman said 'i think it's clear you don't wanna be here anymore' makes me think there were definitely conversations behind the scenes where she asked to leave, because if not then i imagine they would have offered further support or therapy rather than just kicking her out (since she was an exec fav)
Emily, Ezrela, and Lexi would be awesome together in a group. They all have such amazing energy. I feel like the execs knew that, too, but when Lexi left (absolute badass woman for doing that, btw!) they lost a key member in a group with that energy.
It's actually so sad when people say that Adela is entitled and that she had issues with her attitude when her feelings about Manon were valid. She had a point that people never gave them, specifically her, a chance to show their skills when the first elimination were, quite frankly, based on visuals. At the get go, Adela constantly ranked at the top in both vocals and dancing. Additionally, Adela said that she auditioned as a vocalist, so her being placed in the dancing category for the first mission was basically just the program killing her off. Her saying that it was unfair that Manon, who deliberately missed practices, being safeguarded from being eliminated due to the votes, is valid. Adela was also a team player, shown when we saw sacrificing her time mentoring the newly welcomed girls. It's also unfair for Adela to be called entitled when she said that she just wanted representation for Slovakia, which is what every other girl is also aiming for their own country.
Literally! I can't stand people calling her racist because she said Slovakia doesn't get represented enough! After thinking about it way more than I should I feel like the hate just comes from some groups of Americans who either don't understand that nationality and ethnicity/race are different things or they are confused that someone might only see themselves as a citizen of a specific country and not a member of specific racial group. Anyway, Adela was my favorite and it was so painful to see her go especially after they showed her helping the other girls
@@Kaskaderka016 At first, I also disliked Adela, but looking after being more objective about the show, I realized that she's not the villain people paint her to be. People say that Adela was racist, but I genuinely think that Adela just worded her sentences horribly, in a way that it made her seem racist. Adela wanted Slovakians the representation they never have, but people twists her words and say that she wanted white representation. Also, Adela recently revealed that the producers told her and Karlee to call YoonChae as "YC", but they still asked her and that was seen on the documentary.
Meh, I never saw it for Adela so I’m not surprised she didn’t make the group. I haven’t watched the whole series yet. I’m only up to the point where Manon joins the show.
it's crazy how people on twitter called her out just because she wanted to represent her country. but i also understand how americans (i am assuming those comments are from them for good reason) will never truly know the feeling of wanting to represent your home country bcs no one can really claim usa is their home country other than the natives.
Mei being eliminated upset me but her pure heart won in the end cuz she’s debuting in a group, and you’re right, if they knew the decision they made would make Lexi leave , they wouldn’t have done it
17:08 I really hate this whole argument because the reason there was lower views/engagement wasn't because of a lack of drama, it was just because of lack of content in general. Usually survival shows has 1 hour episodes where you see how everyone prepares leading up to the performance and the results. However, this show only had performances, judging and eliminations. I actually don't mind this format, because it makes the voting solely based on the performances (atleast in theory), but to then change it up for drama is so cheap. Also it must suck to be training for years, and then get judged and eliminated based on 1 or 2 performances. Truthfully, we never got the oppurtunity to see what each contestant had to offer in terms of talent beyond first impressions and "star quality".
Fr i remember anticapating watching the show after RUNext another kpop survival show that created the group Illit ended and when Dream Academy dropped i and everyone else who also watched kpop survival shows were dissapointed with the show’s format, it was giving tiktok short clips and they didn’t have a human MC to give an intro and explain how the show works or what missions the girls were doing like how Kpop survivsl shows does
They should have done voting with an either-or model, like who did it best. By cycling through pairs they would have gotten more accurate results. it was so clear that voting was swayed by nationality, race, and "beauty"
I liked everything about the show except the lying. It was so unnecessary. Would have been better if the girls had a year to prepare themselves to be on this show. Groups formed by survival shows are not unheard of and can be very successful, but I think the participants normally know what they’ll be getting into. And every other thing they lied about, uncalled for. Also don’t agree with the Manon-defenders, in no world was her behavior right and there’s no need to bully anyone about it. I think the show resolved her situation enough if you made it to the end, no need to let it carry on past that point. Also love Emily, but agree her look didn’t fit the group style they ended up going with and you’re right, Buttons was probably the deciding factor there. Do hope she gets picked up though, she could be a star.
@@chihuang422 It's lying participating thinking you might be selected to be in the group just based on talent and skills, rather than popularity it's a huge factor and could have spared some of these girls to even join the program....
@@vei80s53 this definitely affected white grls the most. Adela and Emily most definitely believed they were making it in, but when international fans didnt support them and Koreans didnt either bc they dont fit K beauty visuals like Megan o Manon do, they were at a loss
@@chihuang422 I saw that, but I think towards the end Karlee and someone else said they straight up asked if there would be a survival show and were told No. If that’s true, it’s definitely worse.
@@chihuang422 it’s in the episode when they tell them about it. There are cutaway interviews with the girls when they said it. I remember because that’s when it got to me. Haha
@@DSQueenie But what about the mental health of all the other girls in the programme? That is right now, not in the past. And by supporting the process we are saying it's OK to do this to young girls without consequences.
@@cbettles It was two years ago, be for real. Why would people stay mad about something for the past when right now they are doing so good? lmao You just want a reason to be petty and bring unnecessary drama.
@@ryu4everjust say you don't care about what kind of effects this has had on the poor contestants. every video on adela's tiktok account is filled with 99% hate comments because of this bs survival program. this shit has real consequences and it's further legitimized by people like you.
@@cbettles Mistakes were made and I’m sure even the initial backlash is enough that lying about the survival show won’t happen again. As for everything else? A lot of the trauma was the fact that only six could make it. It had always been a competition even before the show aired. At least with the survival show the girls that didn’t make it had a platform to promote themselves. The girls that didn’t make it into the Spice Girls didn’t have the recourse.
If y'all love the eliminated girls in the doc, send them some love for their content & music! I am excited to hear Adelá's new music coming soon! Brooklyn (House of Brooklyn) & Abby (Abby Paradise) has their own music as well!
I litteraly hated the prod woman "I mean it worked those episodes have the highest viewing ranking" like fuck off it shouldnt be at the price of 30 girls mental health
I like the group and think the girls all compliment each other very well. However once they debuted, I 100% believe the members of the group were carefully chosen before the competition started. The way each girl has a similar physique, and are conventionally attractive. It’s glaringly obvious how manufactured the aesthetic was made to be while trying to still be diverse. That being said, Manon most likely was pushed through each round based on she’s a pretty black girl. In my opinion, on top of her missing practices & her demeanor, she still was the least talented of all the contestants. She’s always put in the back, she’s given the lines in the song that don’t require much vocal talent. It seems like they compensate for that by giving her special parts (Having her stand on a chair and look pretty while everyone dances around her) No shade to Manon. As a black woman, I’m glad there is black representation in the group, but let’s call a spade a spade. I agree with everything you said. I feel they missed a good opportunity though. As the first international girl group, they had an opportunity to pick an a combination of girls that young girls can look up to & see themselves. The fact that they went with the traditional sensual “IT” girl look feels tone deaf in 2024. Ezrela, Emily, Samara, Nayoung, Marquise don’t fit that aesthetic but were immensely talented & deserved a spot.
Samara could’ve taken Manon’s spot if she wasn’t so controversial. I think Nayoung definitely fits the sensual and overall look of Katseye and could’ve had Yoonchae’s spot if she didn’t express wanting to go solo.
@@user-ed7et3pb4oapparently, her tik tok likes were public and she liked many zionist posts and racist posts against Indians, which is wild considering the fact she was close with Lara.
When they made them vote against each other that seriously pissed me off, I suddenly went from enjoying the show, even though i hated the survival aspect, to being downright disgusted with the directors and producers involved. downright middle-schooler behavior.
i think the contract could have stated something as vague as that the training doesn't promise a debut and that debut is up to the executives discretion and essentially that gives them the loophole to do a survival show - bc execs decided they'd go with a fan vote
They probably presented another contract to the girls if they would want to participate in the survival show. Also, trainee contracts isn't fixed. We know this in Korea that trainee could be sent home at any time. Usually if they did not pass the monthly evaluation.
I think the parents should (should have) look into seeking legal advice at the deception; if this reality show concept was not included in a contract - and yes, they would have signed a contract to join the training program - then they’ve committed a breach and should pay damages.
Manon’s whole storyline irks my soul… Part of me believes Manon felt entitled because of all the special privileges they gave her off the bat (separate practices, being able to stay with her aunt so she could be more focused and yet still wasn’t showing up to practice but when Lexi did it it was unacceptable), Manon was even able to question that singing coach lady’s ideas during a rehearsal… they wanted her to be a part of the group from the moment they saw her and knew that she was going to get a lot of public support.
Unfortunately this is how companies are. THEY HAVE FAVORITES.. They have people who are secretly in their final lineup.. I've seen it happen sooo many times. Hopefully all the other girl who didn't make it have successful careers elsewhere.
Thank you for not being blind and actually seeing what happened when it came to Manon. People will die on the hill that she didn't get any special privileges, she was just sick when messing rehearsals (when a part of the documentary literally showed her saying she's gonna skip because she doesn't feel like going or some other excuse like that), and the producers bias towards her. It still makes me mad that Manon made the group when she was lacking in skills, didn't train for as long, and didn't show hard work or dedication, but I'm trying to leave that behind because I'll be supporting KATSEYE no matter what.
I absolute agree with you, she was always meant to be in the final line up and it feels like they build the group around her. Don't get me wrong I like the songs so far, but this is super shady.
Rather than a sense of entitlement, I feel like her heart just wasn’t in it. I think she was sincere when she said she felt intimidated by the other girls being so much more skilled than her, and that was compounded by the stress off being the new girl thrust into an environment where everyone else is already close with each other when you're shy by nature. I think she was unmotivated because she didn’t think she could measure up to the others skill-wise, and because this wasn’t really a lifelong dream in the first place. Then only when they went public and she found herself to be a fan favourite, did she realize she did actually have a shot and became more motivated. Ultimately though, whatever was going on in Manon’s head at the time, it manifested as poor work ethic and performance that were tolerated for way too long. I feel that the producers are more at fault for giving Manon so many get-out-of-jail-free cards, than Manon is for accepting them.
Emily is a powerful performer and she does have similar vibes/energy/features/vocals as Britney. Even other trainees Lara, Samara and host Tetris called her Britney. She would be great for the biopic and she also did acting when she was younger. If she gets it or not, either way she deserves a successful career ahead. Emily has that talent, confidence, personality, work ethic that impressed the executives and it was clear how they liked her since the start. Wishing her the best on her next journey.
@@alcahuetasanonymous Don't mind it, just typical behavior of a shallow kpop stan. Emily is pretty and most importantly, she's always getting attention and praise for her talent. So glad how she's doing better on her own after the survival show.
Manon debuting once again proved that talents/hardwork rarely outweighs being easy on the eye and popularity in this industry. If you wanna make it, get your clout up first and foremost. It’s a sad reality
did you even watch the show or dream academy? some people just have natural talent and good looks, manon one of those and she got even better once she fully committed. Why don't you watch some of katseye's dance practice videos and their vlogs - she's and the other girls have blossomed and that's not just from luck or a studio, it's hard work too :)
@@Diana-ch8cv I watched the whole show and Manon didn’t stand out to me vocally or in terms of dance. She’s pretty. She got a lot of special treatment on the show… for example: she didn’t have to apply like anyone else, she got to take part with 0 training when another girl was sent home right before that for having 0 training, she broke the rules and got to stay when another girl got sent home for it, she got to live outside of the house even though she was one of the oldest girls there, she got to miss rehearsals with no actual consequences when they threatened to send Lexie home when she missed less than manon. It’s clear that they pursued Manon for her visuals and then because of that + the public liking her for being pretty (like Adela said even though she wasn’t trying at all at that point) pushed her into the end stages of the competition.
@@Diana-ch8cv She started to make efforts just the last weeks. If all the episodes had aired during the show time she wouldn't be in the group. If we are sincere she didn't work hard and if some of the new fandom she gained in the time being watched that, they wouldn't have voted for her. Just facts🫡
The show actually made me more sympathetic to the girls who were eliminated than those who won, and with the way they decided to hide the survival show from the girls and their general treatment and attitude (literally just mitra lmao) I finished the last episode feeing really bitter 😭😭 I wish they had chosen to have some respect for their contestants instead of pulling shit like that for the sake of clicks. The drama felt really manufactured and you can tell it affected a lot of the girls very deeply. I loved Ezrela, Samara, Emily and specifically Lexie was my fave but tbh I’m glad she left and I hope she and the others can thrive on their own, and leave this toxicity behind them
Good go away you sounds so dumb anyways 😂😂😂 thank god the show filtered all the airheads, and now EYEKONS and team can navigate on how to execute everything ❤❤❤
I'm confused, why isn't anyone (the video included) talking about Samara's controversy? She lowkey outed herself for being racist and yet we still have people supporting her? Wild.
@@aroree because it wasn’t true!!! literally, we Brazilians are TIRED of debunk these allegations about her. This narrative was created by Manon fans during the second half of dream academy because they saw Samara as a threat and kept putting these two womans against each other for no reason to the point they started digging until they find something that they could mistranslate and create this drama. it’s surprising that some of you still not clocked that out considering how all the allegations just stopped the moment Manon debuted. We Brazilians provided so many evidences and proper translations to debunk this allegations and nobody was open to listen to us. Clearly Manon solo stans have an agenda and now that they changed their targets I hope you are able to see it.
@@aroreetell me you don't speak Portuguese without telling me. Also, giving high key racist vibes the same people spouting these lies did it because they felt the group couldn't be "allowed" two Black girls
I knew Manon was going to be in the group from the start from the amount of effort they were putting into building their character in the show. I didn't even know Brooklyn was there until halfway through the season and yet we saw Manon go out with her friend, see her sister, move out, etc. And the fact that they erased so much of what she did (her not showing up for rehearsal, the girls having to relearn things etc), leaving only tidbits we can gather from what they did leave in and she STILL looked like the favorite that was put there to be in the group from the start leads me to believe the situation was bad. If they'd done it privately, it wouldn't have mattered. But the fact EVERYONE can see it in the documentary just makes the band a weaker band. It's not about who worked harder for the american dream, it's a bunch of girls who had to fight for their spot standing next to Manon and that was not fair. She's gorgeous and she came a long way, but if you can't trust your bandmate is going to stay when going gets rough then maybe they're not a great fit to be in a band...
megan and manon actually made a funny post in that dolphin syphony meme format with the caption "we're literally fine". lol the girls r making jokes meanwhile "fans" r hating. as a kpop fan for like 8 years the fans r actually getting worse if thats possible
With Lara, I saw that, my FYP is entirely KATSEYE right now, it knows I've been working on this. I'm fairly convinced this is all behind the girls now, as it should be. But some fans aren't letting it go.
@@MadMorphMovieClubneither are you clearly cuz I’m not fooled bybthe subtle sneaks you keep throwing Manon way or how you edited certain parts out that people keep pointing towards as the bullying aspect or why Manon missed her practices. I agree some people have clearly taken a side of the fence to stand on and you are no different just on another side of the fence but trying to hide it under objective critique. I would honestly say that you to have to work on your media literacy and if you want to make it sound like your being objective about the situation don’t show your bias as much. You damn near went in on Manon “wrong doings” more then the producers of the show and took any and all accountability away from the girls and their bad treatment of Manon.
Really sad to see how the young girls are treated by producers and viewers. People sending hate to these girls for their looks, attitudes, etc. really need to question their internalized misogyny. They are so young, and they shouldn't have to endure this kind of scrutiny for all their hard work.
What you said here was on point 8:24 literally the fact that Missy is one of the people managing them in T&D, she was with them evaluations after evaluations she knows their attitudes than us viewers. So haters of Lara&Sophia should stop bringing that 1 hour episodes as "proof" to hate the girls and start trusting the people who are there with them.
I believe you’re spot on! The final six really complement each other well and appear to be of similar height. Even though Yoonchae is quite young, she really belongs in the group because she’s an excellent dancer and has great vocal skills. As for Manon, it’s a no-brainer; she has a huge fan base and her vocals are fantastic. While her dancing might need some work, it’s definitely something she can enhance over time.
It’s interesting that they stated that the target audience for KATSEYE is young and decided to portray the Manon vs. the world conflict to an audience they could assume would not be mature enough to witness a conflict (where neither side looks perfect) without starting a fanwar. I can only assume that on some level from a marketing perspective, this was a desired outcome. Bad press is good press, so they say. It’s true that Manon’s impeccable face card does carry her far, but she fits in the group perfectly. I agree that the hate for Sophia and Lara is out of control, and I would feel resentment if I were in their position. When you’re working so hard, seeing someone else being able to “coast” is frustrating and demoralizing. But also I can relate from Manon’s perspective how isolating it is to not be told directly what you’re doing to cause friction. (I also saw and immediately knew she’s a water sign-Cancer. As a water sign whose also friends with a lot of water signs, our “chill” aura can come off as careless and nonchalant, and even when we are working hard-relatively speaking-on the inside, it doesn’t show externally.) That said, I’m looking at their leaders in the situation because they’re the ones setting the tone. If they make it seem like Manon’s absence is an issue, the girls will follow that. If they announce like, “Hey, Manon, unfortunately has COVID and has to sit out for a bit,” I’m sure they would have been understanding. Since we weren’t shown Manon being reprimanded or talked to by the leaders, it reads as Manon getting special treatment/extra leeway while the other girls bore the brunt of it.
Agreed , people forget that even tho Manon is for example deciding to skip practice or not going in because she is sick. The people who were responsible for the running of the show, the adults responsible should have brought it up to Manon. I highly doubt if there was a conversation about the rules things you can or cannot do and the seriousness of the program Manon wouldn’t have done all of that. Son pretty much telling her she doesn’t need to work hard at singing or dancing pretty much stopped her drive to taking the program seriously
Especially as you have Sophia clearly feeling pressure and performing even while sick enough she could not remember doing so and Manon skips because she was sore. It will very quickly breed resentment
🙄 maybe manon could have done some critical thinking as to why the girls would have been mad at her, it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. And she wasn’t being a “chill” person, there were plenty of “chill” girls on the show that still worked hard. She’s entitled, lazy, and didn’t take it seriously and that’s something that shouldn’t be excused.
@@nothanksijustwantsomemilkbecause the company enabled it. They were telling her it’s okay to do that so she thinks it’s okay when it was not. All this could have been solved with them talking to Manon instead of talking abt her behind her back, but of course the show needed a little drama.
The Manon drama has too much nuance that the general audience isn’t comprehending. Were the girls valid for being frustrated someone not putting in enough effort was doing so well? Absolutely. Should that frustration have been directed at Manon instead of the execs considering Manon was not responsible for fan voting, rankings, decision making, or eliminations? Absolutely not. The thing is that they were all very young girls without a fully developed frontal lobe so I don’t blame that at all, they’re still grasping that life isn’t fair and it’s understandable to blame Manon for that when you don’t get it. however the grown adult audience that can’t see neither party is the issue and there’s no reason to direct hate at Manon or the other girls, but at the execs that created this situation to begin with, have no excuse for not understanding the complexity of the situation.
I remember Lexie got hate for leaving. Some said that she should've just leave the show earlier because the eliminated girls want to be in her position so bad. Nayoung also received this.
Lexi leaving I think also sealed fate for Emily bc the look would be off with only Emily being short…the group looks unison and If lexi was in, Emily would have been the balance height with Lexi and would look unison but once lexi left, Emily would have looked so different within the remaining taller girls
Makes total sense! Yes she certainly fell short for her height (unfortunately) and yes I see why she has a greater chance of being selected if Lexi remained. My gut feel was the OG that the management would have selected if Lexi was to stay was Manon, Sophia, Megan, Daniela, Lexi and Emily.
I loved Ezrela, Lexie, Ilya and Adela from the ones who left. They were capable, It is sad what happened to them. But atleast now they're exposed to a wider range of opportunities for suffering so much, also I am following the current KATSEYE girl group. Not all of them are bad, theyre good and I'm looking forward to the journey. I even downloaded WEVERSE To keep up with the girls now that they've debuted and gone global
I was heartbroken when Nayoung had to leave. Though the show did mention her wanting to go solo, someone in the comment section was smart enough to point out that the producers mentioned this on purpose. They had their final 6 in mind and just needed an excuse to eliminate some of the really well loved and talented girls. Seeing the documentary confirm this (Nayoung being in disbelief) upsets me even more. This is one cruel show and it sucks that it became so popular.
manon was picked randomly and trained with other girls who have been trained and dreamed for this for years. i’m not that surprised she felt discouraged. i can see both sides of the story but the other girls were mad at manon when the people they should’ve been mad at are the fans.
why would they be mad at fans? they were right to be frustrated of manon for slacking off. If they didn't call her out she wouldn't have worked a bit harder and show up during practice
They should be mad at the producers because they didn’t sign up for a survival show. The fans had nothing to do with it because they are a great measure on who gets the most love.
@@jbonceu2457 i don’t think you watched the show? they were mad that she wasn’t putting enough effort as the rest of them but getting better results. the fans liked manon and therefore she made it father. that doesn’t mean you get mad at the fans but you don’t take that out on manon.
Great video! I agree with all your takes. These girls should have totally known this was a survival show before going in. Not everyone can handle that sort of thing. Plus that lady in charge seems to have zero conscience whatsoever
I loved your take on this documentary. It's honestly shocking to me that people are hating on the girls for being frustrated with Manon. Like we need to understand that these are teenagers put into intense situations and you're expecting them to completely dismiss Manon's behaviour when she's not putting in the same effort as them??? Ultimately i like Manon and thought she was a good fit for the group but it does not mean that we bring other girls down for expressing their feelings towards a situation at that time.
No one deserves hateful comments. It does need to be recognized that for the context of this COMPETITION, the girls' frustration was aimed in the wrong direction.
me personally, I love shows that try to limit drama. I want to see something that isn’t a survival show but shows the hope and joy of someone reaching their dreams while being realistic about the issues. we need more people who care about the wellbeing of people in their care
12:03 That made me sick too. I had to pause there because wtf. She really said that and thought that was a good reason to msnipulate those girl's feelings. Awful.
I can't/won't watch reality TV shows because I can't see how they don't propagate multiple issues in society among young people, people who lack critical thinking, and those who lack emotional intelligence and maturity. I used to, and it hurt my relationship with my self-image and the women around me. I've seen so many people "hate watch" things that they also idealize and internalize. The idea that we watch people verbally, intellectually, emotionally, psychologically, and sometimes physically abuse one another for our enjoyment baffles me. Even watching these girls, these barely out of childhood, and young women, knowing how manipulated they feel for our entertainment, is...painful. I'm glad you're talking about it in the way you are and bringing to light the damage these shows can do. And please, no one thinks I'm chastising you or looking down if you enjoy watching this type of content. There are very few sources of media that are ethical under capitalism, and any sort of joy you can find is worth doing as long as you're also mindful of what you consume. Life is too short to not find pleasure where you can.
And it's crazy, bc almost everyone in the last two generations has read or watched the hunger games. How has everyone missed the very obvious point of the books/movies??
As someone who has consumed KPOP content for over a decade, it's refreshing to see an outside perspective on the predatory and manipulative nature of these media companies. While things like this were deemed "normal" in the kpop fandom, we often lose sight of the fact that these people are human. We're so used to these types of survival shows that something like this doesn't phase me anymore even though it really should.
11:13 exactly, this was so saddistic like why tf did they do that. to be put in such high pressure environment without knowing what they signed up for is just evil. especially knowing that a lot of them are literal teenagers. having your dream ripped from you after 2 years just because of something out of control is so upsetting to see
Seriously it was giving this energy whoever edited it definitely has worked on those kinda docs ( I went into the show blind as I never heard about the group as I fell off kpop for a long time)
I honestly though it would be Sophia, Lara, Emily, and Lexi for sure. I thought for sure Manon would be sent home for her lack of dedication, but when they kept allowing her to do what she wanted, I knew she was getting on the team. You don't let someone get away with rule breaking unless you're keeping them. The forced drama and lying to the girls broke my heart. They were working so hard and supporting each other and just being good people. To wreck these young women for the sake of entertainment was disgusting. I watched the whole thing to see what happened, but I really only 'enjoyed' the first half before the industry flipped the narrative.
I REALLY wanter Nayoung in the group, I think she would have fit the vibe of the group. But they took something said in confidence out of context to find a way to kick her out
My cousin told me about Katseye and I was really excited to support this act and from watching the RUclips clips I was so ready to root for this group. However, if the Netflix show was made to promote his group, I think it totally backfired. The way they treated the girls makes me want the group to be unsuccessful and hope the girls go on to have successful (solo) careers without these two labels.
I think the main issue is that they released this way too early in the group's career. Because now when the girls post and are like, "We're totally fine!!!" it feels like inauthentic damage control. If they had released it in a few year, they would have a much bigger body of content that showed that they had actually become friends, and that this was just a bump in the road. Like, Han and Hyunjin from Stray Kids said they used to almost get in fist fights predebut, but by the time they told us we already knew they were besties, so it became a funny "can you believe how young, immature, and stressed we were?" and not, I hated this bitch a month ago but we're all cool now, like, I don't believe you!
nothing these girls did on the show could make me hate them, they all trained for various years and months, were blindsided with it being a voting survival show, had a therapy/venting sesh publicly shared, r in a high pressure situation with the public watching which is a new experience for them all. what they do outside of the show can ofc be judged as to their character. but no one can make me hate adela, manon, lara, sophia etc etc bc of the shows drama. i think its SO complicated to have an international survival show w different ethnicities bc ppl will often vote ppl from their country so ppl from bigger countries have a major advantage, i wish they used partially the i-land format where producers can save ppl and pick someone to add to final lineup so at least those with less votes could have a chance rather than calculating their votes into a % of the final votes. also it felt especially country voted bc there was no actual show to see personalities, it was just whatever short tiktoks they posted which is SO minimal. theres so many instances where trainees in kpop survival shows end up in groups due to a strong inseparable friendship w another trainee, their personality or as an underdog that overcomes adversities. imo i would have loved this lineup + adela as a 7 member group, or a group with lexie, ezrela and emily as those 3 had similar energy and vibes. after seeing the doco and seeing tiktoks posted later of adela helping the trainees like a big sis, them relying on her, her pep talks, her dance skills and even moreso her VOCALS, i couldnt help but root for her and wish her the best for her future projects. lexie i was so drawn to from the first impressions alone but her maturity, grace and strength to try continue the show after a very bad injury was SO admirable, ezrela was such a bubble of charm and emily had amazing presence, her dance skills are INSANE and she rlly showcased her ability to perform in the wannabe. i think the final group still tuned out amazing w a great assortment of members, i love all the girls so im def gonna keep up w katseye
This isn’t the first survival show to not tell the contestants what they were doing. During one of the Produce seasons girls from 48G (a J-Pop group with a ton of sub-units) were brought over to Korea for the survival show and weren’t told what was happening. They just had their devices taken were thrown in with no warning. The music industry is insane
@@floofmccloud it was specifically just the Japanese contestants, the Korean trainees did know about the survival show. The Japanese girls thought they were just promoting in Korea
Main reason this was considered a disaster is because of cultural discipline. If you mix different cultural upbringings into K-pop discipline you will get a lot frictions and different work ethics.
It's sad that I just came from finishing this, and it was so toxic and they didn't care about the girls at all. It was just about business and fame for the creators.
I was initially worried clicking in on this because very often when it comes to kpop people make videos without nuance for some easy click views, but I genuinely love the thoughts you expressed. They were well stated, back up with reasoning, and not lacking in empathy. The majority of these issues are things I’ve felt watching survival shows in the past as well, and the arguments and such being brought up again and again is a real issue. I love many groups formed from survival shows, but when they first debut the dynamics always feel a little off, and it’s understandable due to how competitive it is. It’s dreams and livelihoods. I get how addictive it is to watch but there are huge glaring real issues that deserve discussion. Your take in the sudden survival show surprise aspect is correct. It’s FUCKED UP. aghhhhh.
As someone who followed along the survival show last year I always knew that this was messed up. That whole "revealing who you want in the group" thing was brutal. Seeing this documentary really shows that it wasnt just crazy, it was borderline inhumane. all these girls are so stong. i always loved lexi and ezerela but this documentary made me love them even more. I hope for the best for all of them. I will say though that the final lineup was pretty damn perfect. great mix of vocals dance and star quality. Oh, I also thought that they were going with a mature vibe for Katseye. But strangely their debut was... the literal opposite? don't get me wrong, 'Touch' was cute, but it was so different from what we were expecting. We've only seen all these girls, save for yoonchae, doing mature concepts. so it was a strange choice.
I've watched some analyses of this show from the kpop fan lens, and I really appreciate your take as someone who is outside of the kpop fandom. Mainly, I've not heard anyone talk about Mitra as much as you have here. I walked away from this show wondering why the execs would want this posted. It makes Mitra, Bang, and execs in general look absolutely terrible. Keeping the fact that it was a survival show secret was genuinely cruel, and then having the survival show be hosted by a disembodied voice????? Cruel on top of cruel. I am a kpop fan, and was a viewer of the "survival show" as it was coming out. I knew nothing about the girls, didn't know about their personal instas for whatever, and was voting purely from the performances (which....that first mission being half dance and half voice?? voting amongst all of them is apples to oranges but I digress). This survival show they threw them on felt half baked, and clearly (to me, at least) it *was* half baked, because they had to pivot due to Bang's statement that they debut as fast as possible. There was a moment in one of the "Judge's feedback" for a mission where someone said something along the lines of "Manon is good, she just needs to show up to rehearsal." And I remember being so taken aback by that comment, because we weren't seeing ----any---- behind the scenes of the training process or knowing anything about the girls, and this was the only (iirc) comment that was explicitly negative on something that was happening in the training process. I remember it feeling like an evil edit, because viewers of the show had nothing to go on. Lexie was right to leave, and I wish that other girls would have followed her. I understand why they did't, tho. I walk away as a viewer of the survival show and the doc as someone who would be hesitant to support Hybe x Geffen projects in the future at all. Mitra's willingness to say everything that she did leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. I'm wishing the best for all the girls in the program. The lineup could have been made with many combos of six, and I hope that they all find the place where they shine brightest. Emily especially, she's a star. Also, shoutout to the vocal coaches. They come out of this whole thing looking like saints. So encouraging, so warm, I am glad that the girls had them in their corner.
I'm a Mexican actress and it's the same here. People don't care about talent and experience, but how many followers you have in Instagram. Things need to change
No because Manon was so lucky they needed at least 20 girls for the survival show, theyve sent girls home forless (eg the girl they sent because they knew they couldnt get her to a good enough level within the time, cause if i wastat girl just to see they were willingly to do private tutoring for a girl with no experience DIDNT EVEN AUDITION just for her to end up in the group as well, id be pissed
The thing is a lot people feel like manon and the other girls were both in the wrong in some shape or form the girls were wrong for isolating her but Manon should have took things more seriously. When it comes to the group manon is the it factor of the group she literally has 600k followers right know on Instagram compared to the other girls who have 400k to 300k. I do want to bring up the fact Emily is a great dancer but a lot including myself felt like she was just a great dancer not really a pop star during voting we didn't hear her sing at all so lot people didn't think she was a singer so if that help with anyone perspective from someone who was a part of voting.
Manon isolated herself too, she even said she fears being away from the girls cuz it could affect their relationship it's definitely not a one sided thing...she was like "sometimes living with girls can be hard..."
@@vei80s53Manon didn't isolated herself, the caught the girls were giving her nasty looks (she said in the documentary) and laughing behind her back, also she was sick with COVID, and also trained so hard she was insanely sore.
Well actually, Emily's Wannabe part got viral and it garnered attention from non viewers of Dream Academy. She was also praised for being similar to Baby Spice from Spice Girls. She even gained votes and her rank rose to Top 5 after Mission 3. She was so good in Wannabe and she showcased her better vocals in the finale song All The Same. But anyway, it's great that she's now getting more recognition and support after the documentary. She's so talented and hardworking. Hopefully, Emily will get better opportunities in her own path.
WHO would've thought that the most toxic music industry in the world would put out a toxic, unfair and borderline unethical music survival show, I didn't see this coming at all.
My disagreement on Manon. Let me preface I watched the entire series. I’m a trained dancer/singer, with knowledge on K-pop….but I’m no expert 😂. I have no favorite girl, and wish them all the best. Love kaytseye and each girl that didn’t make the group 🩷 this is long too 😭 Anyways this is a take many fans have taken. I have seen discourse prior to the show on Switzerland. The culture shock that many Americans for example have moving there. That being said many fans think that Manon was following a redirect she grew up on. One that read arrogant to those from countries that encourage that hard work/teamwork to a whole other degree. An example of the difference is it’s illegal to work on Sundays in Switzerland and they take wellness/family time very seriously. So when they mention Manon taking time to rest, taking time with family, when she mentions her take on her wellness. It completely aligns with how those from Switzerland tend to think. I can’t say all, I’m sure many move to other countries and learn a different work ethic. But in her case she was hand picked from that environment, and pushed into a whole other world. The show highlights their nationalities often. It’s the core of the group, that diversity. That being said, it’s unfair to not factor such in when judging Manons behaviors. That’s why I take her seriously when she took accountability, as she mentions realizing she can’t act the same way here. That the environment she was in she didn’t understand, was threatened by, and had to gain confidence in to redirect a mentality she was used to her whole life. I also have my own thoughts on her being the eldest if I’m not mistaken. I’m older than her by a few months, and the curfew thing I could see being a genuine issue she had that was a mistake on her part to learn from. Just because I can see myself not wanting to obey curfew when in America at the least, you have a lot of freedom in your 20s. Being from Switzerland I’m sure that’s a whole other process as well to adapt to. One in which you’d ignore being young and still somewhat immature. That i can see as a form of “arrogance”, as i could honestly see my own self sneaking out for something If need be if I were her….knowing i shouldnt💀
still doesn't justify the fact that she get to debut when other girls far hardworking and far more talented didn't get to. Not to ignore the fact she is the oldest and looked around and still didn't think - everyone is working hard, So i should too. Most countries doesn't have such a harsh work culture but still girls from many other countries, worked twice hard. And even if there is difference in work ethic and all understandable but still her being selected isn't right It is so heart breaking watching other girls who deserved to be in that spot but didn't get to because of someone's race and looks. People won't make such excuses for a kpop group member who is just avg at everything and only good thing about that person is their looks . The same audience will point out how unfair this companies are and all. But look at them supporting and victimizing the same kind of person while bullying the members who had every right to hold her accountable. Everyone else was adapting to the very same environment and Lara was scouted to but she and every other girl worked harder. It's okay that Manon had different experience with everything. She is a human and she is no evil for what she did in the show. Just that a much more deserving person should have been there instead of her.
@@cleanrain6841the show was simply looking to make a group of the hardest workers. Other factors are involved. At the end of the day the company wants a money making popular group, just like in other kpop groups there are the "visuals" who aren't necessarily the best at anything else. Can't blame her for the company picking her because they for whatever reason think she will make them money.
@@DorisClay Still she doesn't deserve that spot and I will always think so and will blame her for not putting enough effort and being the very symbol of unfair pretty and race privilege that exists in our society and takes the rightful fruit of someone much more deserving. She doesn't deserve the spot. Even before knowing anything about katseye and only thing i watched was touch mv. I thought this blue dress girl is so blank with her expression and not a good performer. After the show, I realized why.
What’s really hard is that they already knew who they wanted.. you can tell based how the executives talked about some of them especially manon, Lexie and lara, but they broke Lexie I wouldn’t doubt she doesn’t sing or dance for a long time. I hope metra gets fired and can never work in this industry again. But we know that wont happen.
What I don’t understand is why non of their music is written by them, it’s all done by a team of ghost writers. And with that context nothing feels really original and creative.
Well it depends on whether they can write or not...there are k-pop groups who write and produce for themselves and there are those who don't, because it's not something that should be forced, it's whether they have it or not....some groups can also only be allowed to release self-produced music after a few years....I don't think the sim with this group is for them to write their own stuff though.... it's not different from solo artists as well, not all big pop stars write their own stuff and it's not really necessary if they are aiming to be top performers and not singer-songwriters
I feel like the kpop format is more about producing performers and celebrities (hence ‘idols’) than actually being focused around the music itself. That said, most major Western artists also use ghost writers. I think we like to believe the industry is more authentic than it actually is. But at the end of the day, is it a bad thing to have the best writers write the songs while the best performers perform them? I’d like to see writers get more credit, but I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad setup. Of course, it does mean that when you find someone who’s both extremely musically talented/creative AND a riveting performer, they are basically gold dust and deserve the most credit. Like Kate Bush or Queen
Most kpop group (or pop groups in general for that matter) almost never write their own music im not sure why this is surprising to you…. Lmao, a lot of other very loved pop stars rn don’t write their music
I believe the chosen six are perfect together and they are all so talented and can really bloom individually if ever they wish to part ways unlike other girl groups who also dance great but only one or two girls can sing. Katseye all of them can sing and are unique.
Prior social media presence was the biggest cheat on this show. It literally meant the elimination of gork who deserved it more than any of the girls who made it.
Honestly, if Lexie had still had any kind of decent relationship with the exec at the end of the show, I could see so many fans showing up for a second group that included Lexie, Ezrela, and Emily.
off topic but it felt so surreal hearing Adéla speak slovak! what a great achievement for a girl from a country that’s almost never represented (i know what i’m talking about since i’m czech)
6:03 it's a good life lesson to young people that legal documents are serious business and you shouldn't take legal matters lightly. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't mean that it's alright to do. Would you hire employees that break the confidentiality of your clients? Or if you don't have employees, would you like to have a doctor who shares all the nitty details of your medical history with the whole world? it's kind of different, but people have to learn to respect company rules that they signed onto.
Please review Sixteen, that have been the blueprint for girlgroup survival show in Kpop, what I'm baffled in Katseye debuting and then release the documentary afterwards while other survival group shows, do the opposite, survival show + documentary then debut them.
Maybe its because i've watched a lot of survival shows and because 2 of my fav groups come from survival shows. It doesn't really surprise or shock me. That's how the industry works. The same things happen behind the scenes too with all the trainees, we just don't see it. Trainees get cut from line ups all the time, be it them not fitting the concept, style or visuals. These shows are not talent shows, but popularity ones. Just working hard is not enough, and that's a sad reality. You may have all the talent, but if you dont have a star factor, ppl just wont notice you
7:18 when I first saw people posting about the drama I was like “who’s on my girl Manon”but then after actually watching the episode, I understand the other girls reactions and feelings, if someone wasn’t pulling their weight, I would be frustrated too. I would probably react the same way they did and a lot of them are teenage girls. No hate to Manon, and I’m sure it must have been exhausting, I couldn’t do it, but the other girls worked so hard for many of them not to make it for things they couldn’t control (like all the hate Emily got for being white 💀). Those girls worked so hard 🤍
@@projectpearblossoms i get being frustrated, and that is completely valid. And their behaviour is understandable for their age Does not mean it was correct of them. Everyone in this situation was ultimately in the wrong, and the reason was bad communication.
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1. Did you really watch the whole documentary or are you simply doing this (hating on her) just to fish for likes etc?
2. Didn't you say you're from the industry? Since when does star power not factor into the equation when forming groups or choosing solo artists?
3. Without Manon, I and a lot of people I know wouldn't even care about this group!
4. You're from the industry, yeah? Then put your money where your mouth is…why don't you go and find your eliminated favs and create your own girl group. Let's see how far they'll go with their minuscule/barely there "it factor/star power!"
*** BTW, I'm just a passerby (not some Manon stan or whatever) but even I can glean that you are "coming for" her for no da*n good reason!
wait, why are you calling KATSEYE a total disaster? the group is doing fine and excelling. I think you mean the SHOW, not the GROUP.
Lexi was my ALL TIME FAVORITE, and when mitra initially sends her home she was digging to get a rise out of Lexi. I’m so glad that Lexi didn’t give her the satisfaction or didn’t cry or respond with any type of drama, because that’s all mitra really wanted out of that engagement. She didn’t care about Lexi as a person only as a rating. I commend Lexis reaction to the elimination and acting on integrity. She definitely deserved a spot in the group but it is what it is…
💯💯💯💯
Lexi was amazing. I'm so happy she found her way out of the toxic atmosphere
Also mentioning that during that final meeting, Mitra even mentions that Lexi had previously asked to leave and was denied, only to tell her basically "you're not breaking up with us, we are breaking up with you". This young girl showed more poise, rationality and maturity than a 40-something acting like a petty child. Lexi was always a fav of mine but on that scene she blew me away.
You can 'create' a pseudo star - but Lexie, by standing up for what is right, is the only REAL star. I hope she outshines Katseye and goes on to bigger better things. She deserves it.
It was so weird of them to keep her in even tho she said she wanted to leave. Remember in the show how they only decided to let her go was because she didn’t show up for ten days buuuuuuut she literally told them beforehand that she wanted to quit that was just so evil of the producers 😡😡
I hate how they tried to play off Lexie leaving was their idea when she expressed wanting to leave like 10 days before that😭 so glad she didn’t let them have that satisfaction
Agreed!!
I'd love to see Lexie, Ezrela and Emily form a trio.
I know! I noticed that! And I hate, HATE Mitra for that! No, I just hate her for GP!
yeah I loveee lexi. She is so mature. So classy.
She was just smart. She understood that signing to a label is a trap actually. Lack of freedom, no privacy and no escape possible. Look how idols are exploited by the label and all this for crumbs since labels take 90% of the profit. And all this to be tossed away by the label for newbies once you get old. I think she probably changed her mind after reading Hybe's slave contract and she's right. Never trade your freedom for temporary fame
THANK YOU!!
Mitra getting mad while Lexi was chilling is a true reflection at how predatory these weird adults are.
Why are they like this ?
The AI announcing who was being eliminated gave Squid Game vibes. It was one of many creepy things on this show.
Bruh I’m genuinely so done with the damn robot voices these Korean survival shows have🤣
Agreed. But that was also during Covid so there were a lot of cringy decisions made that seemed like good ideas at the time, but haven’t aged well.
Lexi was such a real one
She stood on business.
Queen behavior
I litteraly didn't care about her because she wasn't really as "present" in the show as the other ones but she gained all ly respect when she left cuz I agree girl
what she did was admirable ❤️❤️❤️
Ikr!!!! I really want to support her if she ever becomes a star!!
I also hated that they had kids in this show. A 14/15 year old shouldn't be working full time.
Yeah, there’s no reason why it couldn’t have been 18+
exactly, I dislike how kpop targets kids. like pls let minors finish high school. they can debut after they're an adult and have enjoyed their childhood.
never hear of kid stars? you never watched a movie starring a kid? you dont think they work full time?
@@Hanahtarounot in the US, they have laws
@@Hanahtarou Never heard of child labor laws?
it was really annoying that the girls were lied to because adela literally spent one whole year training and she was consisently at the top few spots but got kicked out just because of fan votes.. like if they wanted this to be also based on fan votes then they shouldnt have wasted the girls time.. imagine spending one whole year training and being lied to and js getting removed coz of 1 voting
This is exactly why I cannot agree with anyone who sees Adela as a villain (or in some cases, a raging racist apparently). Simplifying her attitude as "mean girl behavior" is so demeaning towards everything she and the original group of girls worked for. She's a girl from a tiny country who only wanted to accomplish her dream and had it blow up in her face because executives wanted to make a whole spectacle out of it. As soon as fan voting became an aspect she (along with Iliya) lost any and all chance of getting into the group considering her background and having no "homebase" of supporters who would rally behind her. Having a show where an executive literally smiles like a psychopath about how her evil plan to create public drama in a group of young girls worked yet the fans believing and acting like *those* exploited girls are the spawn of satan is insane.
it was so unfair to adela and the executives knew, that's why her leaving was the most broadcasted among all the girls that left, they wanted more "drama" and used her for it. Also she was one of the few to really speak their mind and name people for what they were doing, she was brave and that unfortunately came out as jealousy to some people watching... I think the group came out nicely at the end but they didn't need to hurt some girls so much on the process
@@maaarrg for real😭😭 they really just wasted all her hard work and time
@@StarryHoshi exactly 😭 and u can tell she really worked soo hard .. just for one voting to be the reason why she was dropped
@@StarryHoshi If she hadn't spoken about her issues with Manon behind her back I wouldn't have seen her in a negative light. I wish she hadn't spoke about it when Manon wasn't present, I believe if you have a problem with someone always say it to their face not behind their back. I get why she'd feel that way, but it wasn't nice of her to do that.
The whole show was a mess filled with contradictions. like, sending abby home because she has no formal experience (like you said why did they choose her in the first place?) and then choosing manon who has also has no experience?
its truly so hypocritical. especially when they all were caught with private Instagrams and Missy only eliminated one of them, or Lexi being let go for missing practice (instead of saying she quit) when manon missed a bunch of days of practice before she got sick too.
Agree ... Especially when Manon had no formal experience and got 3 weeks 1:1 training. ... Totally unfair
Manon had a massive social media presence and was 'pretty' and had a Sweden behind her rather than Abby who was very young and from US. They were strategic at spreading out the girls. They so wrong though, they really exposed themselves tbh, that most girls in the final 20 never had a chance in he'll. They all already had a top 10, rhe other 10 were just sacrifices for the reality bit. Very cruel. I felt for Samara because she said multiple times how poor she was which I reckon the producer made her say that- so just felt even more crushing, her not getting through as it would have been life changing (if the group make it anyway).
@@Natta44samara definitely had a big chance of making it. SHE fucked it up for herself by revealing her tiktok (she was exposed for being racist towards Indians, and some other races, zionist stuff, cult church, etc. it was real messy) I wouldn't want someone like that on a team, or a show, where people of those races are RIGHT NEXT TO HER
@@Natta44 FR even Lexi should have debuted instead of Manon who has no experience,they elliminated Abby for no experience but Manon was able to debut even though she had very little talent?And Manon constantly missed practice before she got sick..just cause she is "pretty" does not mean they should pick her.Such a biased show
I dont care what anybody says, the decisions they made during this survival show was so wrong. Having a robot tell these poor girls that they wont be achieving their dreams and forcing the girls to choose who they would want in the group to create "drama" Is just plain cruel.
edit: I dont care if other survival shows did worse things, it doesnt make it any better. A lot of trainees show visible distress after competing in survival shows and it showed that it ruined their mental health. Plus it could ruin a group’s potential dynamic as they’re being forced to be nice to each other after being betrayed 💀
I agree- they made these poor girls fodder for ratings. Young women and in some cases, still underaged kids in this hunger games style bullshit. When I hear Hybe and Geffen, I think negatively about those two words- truly messed up shit.
Get over it, it’s a documentary, it showed the bad the good and the growth, this was well over 2 years ago
@@immealldayeveryday9425 it was manipulative, bullying, disgusting.
@@markjlabella8869 say what you want, clearly lots of people enjoyed it me being one of them ant that’s that
Low key psychotic. You have to be a certain kind of person to think that is ok to do.
"It's entertainment" - What a sociopath. It's bad enough to have watch all the downs with the group but think about being in the girl's shoes. This will live with them for life. That all being said, the girls who made the group all worked hard and I'm proud of them.
I remember the hunger games when she blurted out that. Crazy.
People see things differently to you. I found it entertaining!
@@freethinkerpodcast1798 as if, hollywood is more crue to the neos than this, dont you think
Nope, to be precise it's a business, it's profit oriented
Fr she pissed me off with her fake ass „I understood why many of the girls were hurt“ but then she goes and adds her contradiction in the very same statement „obviously ‚some‘ people didn’t like but a lot of people loved it it was one of our highest rank view count“ 17:12 like bitch obviously you care more about the latter!! Also Lexi done deadass clocked her. Such a queen.
Adela was robbed. She awas always in top 3 or 4 and she would likely have made it to final group if they sticked to the original concept, without survival trash voting system.
Lexie really did a queen move leaving like this not taking the bait and staying so calm and delicate, incredible. Emily too of course, was robbed... i hope the younger girl will have an other chance later, and that people took notice of Adela, Lexie and all of them because they have talent for sure
@@noadl9189 that’s the thing thought despite doing well in training it wasn’t at all guaranteed that Adela would have made the group. Even without the show.
she’s also a racist, i’m so glad she got eliminated
@@DSQueenieShe was one of the fav of the professors and acording to the evaluations was 3rd or 4th every week. So if it was just the judges choice she would have debut. The same goes with Emily if it was acording to evaluations. They were my favs so I was dissapointent that neither of them made it.
Adela is a solo artist for sure though! She doesn’t need the girl group.
She was lacking star quality, and looked too old to be in a pop group- the lip injections didn’t help her either… and yes, I am being brutal-that’s how it is in this warped, shallow industry. (Been in it for 11 years & counting).
Adela leaving was the cruellest thing imagine being top for everything and leaving based on publicity. Did not seem fair whatsoever.
@@itsliterallyjustamy Yeah they should have kept her in longer. If she had been able to show her vocals, I am sure she would have gotten more votes.
There were others in the bottom part of the votes who were less skilled that should have been eliminated earlier.
@@itsliterallyjustamy agreed
Goes to show what happens when you challenge someones lack of merit. And just how many people care only about looks in kpop.
@@Hannah-vt7lc she also had zero support from her homeland because literally almost no one from Eastern Europe is interested in K-pop and no one even knew about this
The people sending hate to Sophia and Lara right after the documentary came out... they were being criticized for working hard and holding Manon accountable??? Are people actually insane?!
Manon fixed her problems. But the people saying she was targeted and bullied for being pretty... context is everything and they're missing all of it.
Media literacy has had such a sharp decline in recent years, it's a real problem
I honestly think Manon fans must know they're in the wrong, that they feel guilty voting in someone totally based on looks. Thing is, I watched it all unfold right when it happened and plenty of us pointed out that Manon's skills were lacking, even in the Buttons performance she has many moments where she's dead in the face. The part I disliked the most is Manon and Nayoung overlapped a little to make it look like Manon was singing the note Nayoung was belting out.
Manon obviously has some superrich parents. They just recruited her out of where exactly? They then used her to torture the other girls. Disgusting
@@NickaLah Comments like this are the reason Manon fans are upset (real ones, not the trolls that watched clips from the documentary and are hating on the rest of the group). Manon was more memorable than a lot of the other trainees, that’s why she got far and other more skilled trainees did not. Her vocal tone was unique compared to the other contestants and she always stood out in performances. I wasn’t super invested in the show but I watched the performances and voted with my friends. All 3 of us had Manon in our top picks because we enjoyed her performances and could remember what she did in them. All the contestants were pretty, so there’s no way Manon could’ve been in the top 6 solely based on that🤷♀️
@@sausee333 she was not more memorable.. she was prettier. theres a difference. out of all the girls she was far from even being top 10 on dance and singing and her eyes were always empty while performing... she was just pretty and yall KNOW that but love to keep saying its not true
It's not ethical to play with young people's emotions just to get high ratings.
True, that's what tv and shows are about, including money.
Whenever Mitra, or the view-hungry demon, would come on screen I would immediately roll my eyes expecting her to just add more drama, she did not care about these girls at all. I don't care if it was a success, she should be fired for putting these girls through that type of trauma. While a lot of the staff members should not have lied to these girls about the survival show aspect, you could tell they at least cared. For example, Missy shouldn't have lied to them, but you could see the way she cared for and loved these girls. Mitra did not care one bit
Missy looked as done as Lex in some of the scenes from half way through, really cared for the girls, imo. I think a lot of the coaches had good vibes. In my experience, coaches, songwriters, musicians, dancers, the more creative and artsy sides of the industry are the best parts and best people in it. They have a heart.
Ugh yeah I started dreaming her face early on. Her Statements were never about the girls or the group being good it was always just views and Drama.
especially when Lexie wanted to leave, and Mitra turned it around and said 'because you haven't attended, we have to let you go, you cannot work on the level we need you at' as if Lexie had failed them, rather than Lexie being real and leaving the nonsense going on
She actually gives me chills
her smile literally gives vibes of Abby Lee Miller (not in a good way)
‘Oh I agree’ is such a BOSS move
And she pissed her off with just one single phrase, consisting of three words!
Lexi was my favorite but she left for the right reasons and I was so proud of her
This show is dystopian. It's like the hunger games for the music industry, its children signing years of their lives away to be lied to and tricked by capitalists. These labels have all the power in the situation, they know these girls are hungry for their dreams and they know they can get them to do whatever they want. Its sick. And all for the mob of fans to watch them suffer and squirm, having their dreams snatched from them and being completely unaware it was gonna go down like that. No fairness or accountability. Wouldn't expect any less from Geffen and Hybe tbh.
thank you for saying this♡
HATE should be towards the producers and not the girls. More success to Katseye
THIS!!! But it's easier to hate women/young girls, right?
I don't hate the producers, but I don't like how they handle things, including behind closed doors. It reminds me of Dancemoms
you mean more success to the labels aha..
I get the girls' frustration with Manon. I just want to point out that Mitra was obviously farming for drama, and Manon getting to break rules before the survival show started was likely a part of that. A lot of the disconnect between them during the T&D process was ultimately down to a combination of miscommunication and cultural differences.
Think about this: Manon is from Switzerland, upper-class, and not a Kpop fan. She straight up said that she was going to treat T&D like school where she could miss days when she was feeling unwell or unmotivated, and no one corrected her. Son even told her that it didn't matter if she was the best singer or dancer as long as she worked hard, and I believe she interpreted that as when she comes to practice, then that's when she puts in the work. We saw her taking notes during rehearsals, and Son even said that you'd never notice that she did if you watched performances after Fearless. I know as a fan that I didn't!
But, in the girl's POV, they've been told for a year or 2 in T&D that putting in the work is what gets them to debut, but it doesn't. They were lied to! What was once a competition based on hard work is suddenly a popularity contest. A lot of contestants - even very talented contestants like Lara and Sophia - are getting voted for based on nationality and representation. And Manon, a new girl who got to break rules and miss rehearsals up until it was go time for Dream Academy, was an automatic fan favorite! I'd feel upset too.
They worked it out, and I'm happy for them! If you watch Katseye's content, it's clear the girls have a great bond, so they're fine.
Personally, I don't like the Kpop system of young people training everyday day - literally giving themselves injuries and ruining their mental and physical health - all for a small shot at fame. Lexie is way too young to be having hip injuries. Their shouldn't be a dedicated balcony in a house where girls go to have mental breakdowns. And a former trainee of the program revealed that she had to leave because she developed an ED. It's cruel, and if anything, I wish more girls got to take break more rules like Manon did.
Still, there was literally no reason for her to not be following the rules of T&D without getting kicked out. So it HAD to be deliberate. Mitra said it herself - that drama gets views. And we're all talking about it; whether you think this reflects badly on her work ethic or are fiercely defending her, we're still talking. So much that it trended on Netflix and the show blew up. Likely according to plan!
Anyway, stan Katseye and stream SIS is Strong! "My Way" is my favorite on the album. What's yours?
yep she's definitely influenced by mitra who wants drama
@@SophiaZhu-zr2fl Influenced? I wasn't getting at that at all. I think she got away with breaking rules because of Mitra; I don't think Mitra deliberately put her up to it though. When Manon told her personal trainer that it's hard for her to stay motivated and she went to a school that allowed her to skip days if she was feeling unmotivated or unwell, I think Mitra took advantage of that information by letting her get away with the same behavior during training and development + having nobody really tell her the actual rules and expectations fr. Manon just did what she was used to doing in school. She's not a Kpop fan, and didn't really understand the whole trainee system that well. Otherwise, Missy and Son definitely would've told her something instead of the occasional comment about her being late or missing.
It all felt like a chess move by the executive board for the Netflix show to get people talking.
@@goldyd144 I'm not saying Mitra told her to but Mitra let her get away with it
Who developed the ED?
@@shadoninja I believe it was Angelina, the contestant we saw in the rankings but was cut from the doc.
Mitra is so DISGUSTING actually. She looks like a 40 year old but acts more immature than even the youngest contestant on the show.
Lexi owning Mitra was the best thing to come out of this netflix doc
No fr she was insufferable
Maybe 40 if she spent every day in the harsh equator sun without SPF and was living with metastatic cancer. She looks like the Cryptkeeper in drag. ☠️
Agree
People have got to understand where the girls were coming from with frustration about Manon. Contestants were getting cut for not being strong enough all-rounders and then they brought in essentially an Istagram model who was not notably skilled at either singing or dancing. Then you let her break rules, skip class and live alone and none of that matters the way it would if the other girls did it. Then fans like her because she looks good on camera (come on, that contrubuted the most to her "star quality" since she's not particularly charismatic or expressive.) But in the end I think Manon worked harder and improved her skill set a lot and I'm not mad she made it in the group... Though I definitely would have picked someone else if it were up to me... To act think she was the only one with star quality was crazy, the top ten, they ALL shined.
But you need to take a step and really examine why you are upset, as did these girls. Manon did not look for this opportunity, it was given to her by the producers; she didn't manipulate her way to the top of the rankings, fans put her there; her discomfort with her skill level led her to breaking rules and the people meant to enforce those rules, excused her. There was a lot of ire towards Manon that was unwarranted. It's just confusing overall.
I think if they really wanted us to think the girl group were all fun bff they shouldnt have let fans vote. How can fans choose a group dynamic? They choose individuals
@@BittersweetMayhem i mean allowing voting to be interactive did lead the group to be more talked about and gained attention. As well as help see who fans are more drawn too. Alot of groups fail because the audience isn't interested in them visually.
this show honestly broke my heart, I’m around the same age as most of these girls and I have no idea how they didn’t have a mental breakdown when u look at how much and hard they had to train + then the whole survival show thing 😭
so trueee I also wonder how some of the members who had absolutely no screen time felt... like im from argentina and it just kinda sucks that the Latin American girls barely get any screen time. It feels like they were just used for their fandom and discarded us when we weren't of use anymore
You must be extremely sheltered this is normal life
@@englishblade I was literally born and raised in LATIN AMERICA.. you're the sheltered one little 1st world country white boy
@@englishblade idk what world u live in cause this is not the average teen girl experience😭 those girls had to train for HOURS every day and then their lives were broadcasted to the whole world while constantly being under the threat that their dream would be ruined or their friends were getting sent home…
They definitely did many times, but the show didn’t show it
Mitra 100% is at fault, and hopefully they can learn something from this and fire her and people like her
Fr she literally let Lexi go I wonder how Bang PD would feel about her when Lexi was literally his top favorite
lexie is so respectable for leaving. She would've absolutely been in the group and still chose to leave. It annoyed me how they tried to twist it as them kicking her out when it was clear it was her choice
LEXRELA FOREVER❤
i honestly believe that after 2nd elimination, lexie asked to go home and they didn't let her based on contract obligations, so she started bunking practice. the way the devil-woman said 'i think it's clear you don't wanna be here anymore' makes me think there were definitely conversations behind the scenes where she asked to leave, because if not then i imagine they would have offered further support or therapy rather than just kicking her out (since she was an exec fav)
Emily, Ezrela, and Lexi would be awesome together in a group. They all have such amazing energy. I feel like the execs knew that, too, but when Lexi left (absolute badass woman for doing that, btw!) they lost a key member in a group with that energy.
Add samara to this! But yesss agree
@@acasualviewer103nah Samara is literally anti every race 😭😭
I think they’ll definitely have an AMAZING chemistry as a group. They’re my favorites during the show 😭
It's actually so sad when people say that Adela is entitled and that she had issues with her attitude when her feelings about Manon were valid. She had a point that people never gave them, specifically her, a chance to show their skills when the first elimination were, quite frankly, based on visuals.
At the get go, Adela constantly ranked at the top in both vocals and dancing. Additionally, Adela said that she auditioned as a vocalist, so her being placed in the dancing category for the first mission was basically just the program killing her off. Her saying that it was unfair that Manon, who deliberately missed practices, being safeguarded from being eliminated due to the votes, is valid. Adela was also a team player, shown when we saw sacrificing her time mentoring the newly welcomed girls. It's also unfair for Adela to be called entitled when she said that she just wanted representation for Slovakia, which is what every other girl is also aiming for their own country.
Literally! I can't stand people calling her racist because she said Slovakia doesn't get represented enough! After thinking about it way more than I should I feel like the hate just comes from some groups of Americans who either don't understand that nationality and ethnicity/race are different things or they are confused that someone might only see themselves as a citizen of a specific country and not a member of specific racial group. Anyway, Adela was my favorite and it was so painful to see her go especially after they showed her helping the other girls
@@Kaskaderka016 At first, I also disliked Adela, but looking after being more objective about the show, I realized that she's not the villain people paint her to be. People say that Adela was racist, but I genuinely think that Adela just worded her sentences horribly, in a way that it made her seem racist. Adela wanted Slovakians the representation they never have, but people twists her words and say that she wanted white representation. Also, Adela recently revealed that the producers told her and Karlee to call YoonChae as "YC", but they still asked her and that was seen on the documentary.
Meh, I never saw it for Adela so I’m not surprised she didn’t make the group. I haven’t watched the whole series yet. I’m only up to the point where Manon joins the show.
it's crazy how people on twitter called her out just because she wanted to represent her country. but i also understand how americans (i am assuming those comments are from them for good reason) will never truly know the feeling of wanting to represent your home country bcs no one can really claim usa is their home country other than the natives.
@@nainai6030yeah she was a bit too sexy..and the face which was natural managed to look very overdone. It was a shame. Nothing was her fault
Mei being eliminated upset me but her pure heart won in the end cuz she’s debuting in a group, and you’re right, if they knew the decision they made would make Lexi leave , they wouldn’t have done it
Oh rlly? What group, I want to support her
which group omg? 🎉
Mei is debuting in the group “SayMyName” she was honestly one of the sweetest girls on the show 😭
@@chickenwings2248SayMyName is the group
@@TooSpicyForYourHeart_ thank you omg 😭🤍
17:08 I really hate this whole argument because the reason there was lower views/engagement wasn't because of a lack of drama, it was just because of lack of content in general. Usually survival shows has 1 hour episodes where you see how everyone prepares leading up to the performance and the results. However, this show only had performances, judging and eliminations. I actually don't mind this format, because it makes the voting solely based on the performances (atleast in theory), but to then change it up for drama is so cheap.
Also it must suck to be training for years, and then get judged and eliminated based on 1 or 2 performances. Truthfully, we never got the oppurtunity to see what each contestant had to offer in terms of talent beyond first impressions and "star quality".
Fr i remember anticapating watching the show after RUNext another kpop survival show that created the group Illit ended and when Dream Academy dropped i and everyone else who also watched kpop survival shows were dissapointed with the show’s format, it was giving tiktok short clips and they didn’t have a human MC to give an intro and explain how the show works or what missions the girls were doing like how Kpop survivsl shows does
So true. I felt for Karlee since the take they used of her in Mission two was not her best take apparently. That must have been so frustrating.
They should have done voting with an either-or model, like who did it best. By cycling through pairs they would have gotten more accurate results. it was so clear that voting was swayed by nationality, race, and "beauty"
I liked everything about the show except the lying. It was so unnecessary. Would have been better if the girls had a year to prepare themselves to be on this show. Groups formed by survival shows are not unheard of and can be very successful, but I think the participants normally know what they’ll be getting into. And every other thing they lied about, uncalled for.
Also don’t agree with the Manon-defenders, in no world was her behavior right and there’s no need to bully anyone about it. I think the show resolved her situation enough if you made it to the end, no need to let it carry on past that point.
Also love Emily, but agree her look didn’t fit the group style they ended up going with and you’re right, Buttons was probably the deciding factor there. Do hope she gets picked up though, she could be a star.
@@chihuang422 It's lying participating thinking you might be selected to be in the group just based on talent and skills, rather than popularity it's a huge factor and could have spared some of these girls to even join the program....
@@vei80s53 this definitely affected white grls the most. Adela and Emily most definitely believed they were making it in, but when international fans didnt support them and Koreans didnt either bc they dont fit K beauty visuals like Megan o Manon do, they were at a loss
@@chihuang422 I saw that, but I think towards the end Karlee and someone else said they straight up asked if there would be a survival show and were told No. If that’s true, it’s definitely worse.
@@kelittries I don’t remember that part
@@chihuang422 it’s in the episode when they tell them about it. There are cutaway interviews with the girls when they said it. I remember because that’s when it got to me. Haha
This was the review I was expecting to see. I don't understand why more people aren't upset about the way this show was managed.
I think people are upset but so far the group has been gaining traction and fans want to focus of their future success rather than the past problems.
@@DSQueenie But what about the mental health of all the other girls in the programme? That is right now, not in the past. And by supporting the process we are saying it's OK to do this to young girls without consequences.
@@cbettles It was two years ago, be for real. Why would people stay mad about something for the past when right now they are doing so good? lmao You just want a reason to be petty and bring unnecessary drama.
@@ryu4everjust say you don't care about what kind of effects this has had on the poor contestants. every video on adela's tiktok account is filled with 99% hate comments because of this bs survival program. this shit has real consequences and it's further legitimized by people like you.
@@cbettles Mistakes were made and I’m sure even the initial backlash is enough that lying about the survival show won’t happen again.
As for everything else? A lot of the trauma was the fact that only six could make it. It had always been a competition even before the show aired. At least with the survival show the girls that didn’t make it had a platform to promote themselves. The girls that didn’t make it into the Spice Girls didn’t have the recourse.
If y'all love the eliminated girls in the doc, send them some love for their content & music! I am excited to hear Adelá's new music coming soon! Brooklyn (House of Brooklyn) & Abby (Abby Paradise) has their own music as well!
I litteraly hated the prod woman "I mean it worked those episodes have the highest viewing ranking" like fuck off it shouldnt be at the price of 30 girls mental health
Yep. That's one evil lady! 😠
I was so sad about Lexie leaving but I understand her completely. If anything the managment exposed themselves with this one
I like the group and think the girls all compliment each other very well. However once they debuted, I 100% believe the members of the group were carefully chosen before the competition started. The way each girl has a similar physique, and are conventionally attractive. It’s glaringly obvious how manufactured the aesthetic was made to be while trying to still be diverse. That being said, Manon most likely was pushed through each round based on she’s a pretty black girl. In my opinion, on top of her missing practices & her demeanor, she still was the least talented of all the contestants. She’s always put in the back, she’s given the lines in the song that don’t require much vocal talent. It seems like they compensate for that by giving her special parts (Having her stand on a chair and look pretty while everyone dances around her) No shade to Manon. As a black woman, I’m glad there is black representation in the group, but let’s call a spade a spade.
I agree with everything you said. I feel they missed a good opportunity though. As the first international girl group, they had an opportunity to pick an a combination of girls that young girls can look up to & see themselves. The fact that they went with the traditional sensual “IT” girl look feels tone deaf in 2024. Ezrela, Emily, Samara, Nayoung, Marquise don’t fit that aesthetic but were immensely talented & deserved a spot.
Samara was actually really popular too but she got into a political scandal and then after that her popularity tanked
Samara could’ve taken Manon’s spot if she wasn’t so controversial. I think Nayoung definitely fits the sensual and overall look of Katseye and could’ve had Yoonchae’s spot if she didn’t express wanting to go solo.
@@jorrdan.what scandal
@@jorrdan.wait what scandal?
@@user-ed7et3pb4oapparently, her tik tok likes were public and she liked many zionist posts and racist posts against Indians, which is wild considering the fact she was close with Lara.
When they made them vote against each other that seriously pissed me off, I suddenly went from enjoying the show, even though i hated the survival aspect, to being downright disgusted with the directors and producers involved. downright middle-schooler behavior.
i just wonder how thats legal, switching concepts like that, did the parents know? was it in the contract somewhere burried?
i hated how it turned out
I was thinking this too! I was so curious if any participant would sue the company because of this change
i think the contract could have stated something as vague as that the training doesn't promise a debut and that debut is up to the executives discretion and essentially that gives them the loophole to do a survival show - bc execs decided they'd go with a fan vote
They probably presented another contract to the girls if they would want to participate in the survival show. Also, trainee contracts isn't fixed. We know this in Korea that trainee could be sent home at any time. Usually if they did not pass the monthly evaluation.
I think the parents should (should have) look into seeking legal advice at the deception; if this reality show concept was not included in a contract - and yes, they would have signed a contract to join the training program - then they’ve committed a breach and should pay damages.
Lexi ATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE... "No, I agree" 🎉😂 She was my fave too
Manon’s whole storyline irks my soul… Part of me believes Manon felt entitled because of all the special privileges they gave her off the bat (separate practices, being able to stay with her aunt so she could be more focused and yet still wasn’t showing up to practice but when Lexi did it it was unacceptable), Manon was even able to question that singing coach lady’s ideas during a rehearsal… they wanted her to be a part of the group from the moment they saw her and knew that she was going to get a lot of public support.
Unfortunately this is how companies are. THEY HAVE FAVORITES.. They have people who are secretly in their final lineup.. I've seen it happen sooo many times. Hopefully all the other girl who didn't make it have successful careers elsewhere.
Thank you for not being blind and actually seeing what happened when it came to Manon. People will die on the hill that she didn't get any special privileges, she was just sick when messing rehearsals (when a part of the documentary literally showed her saying she's gonna skip because she doesn't feel like going or some other excuse like that), and the producers bias towards her. It still makes me mad that Manon made the group when she was lacking in skills, didn't train for as long, and didn't show hard work or dedication, but I'm trying to leave that behind because I'll be supporting KATSEYE no matter what.
I absolute agree with you, she was always meant to be in the final line up and it feels like they build the group around her. Don't get me wrong I like the songs so far, but this is super shady.
Rather than a sense of entitlement, I feel like her heart just wasn’t in it. I think she was sincere when she said she felt intimidated by the other girls being so much more skilled than her, and that was compounded by the stress off being the new girl thrust into an environment where everyone else is already close with each other when you're shy by nature. I think she was unmotivated because she didn’t think she could measure up to the others skill-wise, and because this wasn’t really a lifelong dream in the first place. Then only when they went public and she found herself to be a fan favourite, did she realize she did actually have a shot and became more motivated.
Ultimately though, whatever was going on in Manon’s head at the time, it manifested as poor work ethic and performance that were tolerated for way too long. I feel that the producers are more at fault for giving Manon so many get-out-of-jail-free cards, than Manon is for accepting them.
Manon was bullied for her looks by jealous girls, and it looks like this continues to be the case 😒
If there’s ever a Britney Spears biopic, Emily should be a shoo-in
I read in a random article that she was being considered for exactly that, so fingers crossed!
Emily is a powerful performer and she does have similar vibes/energy/features/vocals as Britney. Even other trainees Lara, Samara and host Tetris called her Britney. She would be great for the biopic and she also did acting when she was younger. If she gets it or not, either way she deserves a successful career ahead. Emily has that talent, confidence, personality, work ethic that impressed the executives and it was clear how they liked her since the start. Wishing her the best on her next journey.
i love her as a talented dancer but her face card tho. transaction declined.
@@malarkist3056 That was a really unkind thing to say.
@@alcahuetasanonymous Don't mind it, just typical behavior of a shallow kpop stan. Emily is pretty and most importantly, she's always getting attention and praise for her talent. So glad how she's doing better on her own after the survival show.
Manon debuting once again proved that talents/hardwork rarely outweighs being easy on the eye and popularity in this industry. If you wanna make it, get your clout up first and foremost. It’s a sad reality
boohoo that has always been the case especially in k-pop.
did you even watch the show or dream academy? some people just have natural talent and good looks, manon one of those and she got even better once she fully committed. Why don't you watch some of katseye's dance practice videos and their vlogs - she's and the other girls have blossomed and that's not just from luck or a studio, it's hard work too :)
@@Diana-ch8cv I watched the whole show and Manon didn’t stand out to me vocally or in terms of dance. She’s pretty. She got a lot of special treatment on the show… for example: she didn’t have to apply like anyone else, she got to take part with 0 training when another girl was sent home right before that for having 0 training, she broke the rules and got to stay when another girl got sent home for it, she got to live outside of the house even though she was one of the oldest girls there, she got to miss rehearsals with no actual consequences when they threatened to send Lexie home when she missed less than manon. It’s clear that they pursued Manon for her visuals and then because of that + the public liking her for being pretty (like Adela said even though she wasn’t trying at all at that point) pushed her into the end stages of the competition.
@@Diana-ch8cv She started to make efforts just the last weeks. If all the episodes had aired during the show time she wouldn't be in the group. If we are sincere she didn't work hard and if some of the new fandom she gained in the time being watched that, they wouldn't have voted for her. Just facts🫡
The show actually made me more sympathetic to the girls who were eliminated than those who won, and with the way they decided to hide the survival show from the girls and their general treatment and attitude (literally just mitra lmao) I finished the last episode feeing really bitter 😭😭 I wish they had chosen to have some respect for their contestants instead of pulling shit like that for the sake of clicks. The drama felt really manufactured and you can tell it affected a lot of the girls very deeply. I loved Ezrela, Samara, Emily and specifically Lexie was my fave but tbh I’m glad she left and I hope she and the others can thrive on their own, and leave this toxicity behind them
Good go away you sounds so dumb anyways 😂😂😂 thank god the show filtered all the airheads, and now EYEKONS and team can navigate on how to execute everything ❤❤❤
I'm confused, why isn't anyone (the video included) talking about Samara's controversy? She lowkey outed herself for being racist and yet we still have people supporting her? Wild.
@@aroree because it wasn’t true!!! literally, we Brazilians are TIRED of debunk these allegations about her. This narrative was created by Manon fans during the second half of dream academy because they saw Samara as a threat and kept putting these two womans against each other for no reason to the point they started digging until they find something that they could mistranslate and create this drama. it’s surprising that some of you still not clocked that out considering how all the allegations just stopped the moment Manon debuted. We Brazilians provided so many evidences and proper translations to debunk this allegations and nobody was open to listen to us. Clearly Manon solo stans have an agenda and now that they changed their targets I hope you are able to see it.
@@aroree gullible
@@aroreetell me you don't speak Portuguese without telling me. Also, giving high key racist vibes the same people spouting these lies did it because they felt the group couldn't be "allowed" two Black girls
I knew Manon was going to be in the group from the start from the amount of effort they were putting into building their character in the show. I didn't even know Brooklyn was there until halfway through the season and yet we saw Manon go out with her friend, see her sister, move out, etc. And the fact that they erased so much of what she did (her not showing up for rehearsal, the girls having to relearn things etc), leaving only tidbits we can gather from what they did leave in and she STILL looked like the favorite that was put there to be in the group from the start leads me to believe the situation was bad.
If they'd done it privately, it wouldn't have mattered. But the fact EVERYONE can see it in the documentary just makes the band a weaker band. It's not about who worked harder for the american dream, it's a bunch of girls who had to fight for their spot standing next to Manon and that was not fair.
She's gorgeous and she came a long way, but if you can't trust your bandmate is going to stay when going gets rough then maybe they're not a great fit to be in a band...
Yes!! Omg Brooklyn got no screen time! I wondered was she really so boring or didnt make friends??
They totally tried to give Manon the redemption arc
megan and manon actually made a funny post in that dolphin syphony meme format with the caption "we're literally fine". lol the girls r making jokes meanwhile "fans" r hating. as a kpop fan for like 8 years the fans r actually getting worse if thats possible
manon and lara*
With Lara, I saw that, my FYP is entirely KATSEYE right now, it knows I've been working on this.
I'm fairly convinced this is all behind the girls now, as it should be. But some fans aren't letting it go.
@@MadMorphMovieClubneither are you clearly cuz I’m not fooled bybthe subtle sneaks you keep throwing Manon way or how you edited certain parts out that people keep pointing towards as the bullying aspect or why Manon missed her practices. I agree some people have clearly taken a side of the fence to stand on and you are no different just on another side of the fence but trying to hide it under objective critique. I would honestly say that you to have to work on your media literacy and if you want to make it sound like your being objective about the situation don’t show your bias as much. You damn near went in on Manon “wrong doings” more then the producers of the show and took any and all accountability away from the girls and their bad treatment of Manon.
@@blank497 CLOCK
@@blank497that part
Really sad to see how the young girls are treated by producers and viewers. People sending hate to these girls for their looks, attitudes, etc. really need to question their internalized misogyny. They are so young, and they shouldn't have to endure this kind of scrutiny for all their hard work.
What you said here was on point 8:24 literally the fact that Missy is one of the people managing them in T&D, she was with them evaluations after evaluations she knows their attitudes than us viewers. So haters of Lara&Sophia should stop bringing that 1 hour episodes as "proof" to hate the girls and start trusting the people who are there with them.
I believe you’re spot on! The final six really complement each other well and appear to be of similar height. Even though Yoonchae is quite young, she really belongs in the group because she’s an excellent dancer and has great vocal skills. As for Manon, it’s a no-brainer; she has a huge fan base and her vocals are fantastic. While her dancing might need some work, it’s definitely something she can enhance over time.
@@gsastudio-archl her vocals are not fantastic. They are very basic.
@@db200508they are quite fantastic tbh
Her vocals are fantastic? What? Are we in a different reality? Her voice is NOT fantastic. Y’all are starting to scare me.
@@LoveK1 🤣🤣🤣 they are delusional
It’s interesting that they stated that the target audience for KATSEYE is young and decided to portray the Manon vs. the world conflict to an audience they could assume would not be mature enough to witness a conflict (where neither side looks perfect) without starting a fanwar. I can only assume that on some level from a marketing perspective, this was a desired outcome. Bad press is good press, so they say.
It’s true that Manon’s impeccable face card does carry her far, but she fits in the group perfectly. I agree that the hate for Sophia and Lara is out of control, and I would feel resentment if I were in their position. When you’re working so hard, seeing someone else being able to “coast” is frustrating and demoralizing. But also I can relate from Manon’s perspective how isolating it is to not be told directly what you’re doing to cause friction. (I also saw and immediately knew she’s a water sign-Cancer. As a water sign whose also friends with a lot of water signs, our “chill” aura can come off as careless and nonchalant, and even when we are working hard-relatively speaking-on the inside, it doesn’t show externally.) That said, I’m looking at their leaders in the situation because they’re the ones setting the tone. If they make it seem like Manon’s absence is an issue, the girls will follow that. If they announce like, “Hey, Manon, unfortunately has COVID and has to sit out for a bit,” I’m sure they would have been understanding. Since we weren’t shown Manon being reprimanded or talked to by the leaders, it reads as Manon getting special treatment/extra leeway while the other girls bore the brunt of it.
Agreed , people forget that even tho Manon is for example deciding to skip practice or not going in because she is sick. The people who were responsible for the running of the show, the adults responsible should have brought it up to Manon. I highly doubt if there was a conversation about the rules things you can or cannot do and the seriousness of the program Manon wouldn’t have done all of that. Son pretty much telling her she doesn’t need to work hard at singing or dancing pretty much stopped her drive to taking the program seriously
Especially as you have Sophia clearly feeling pressure and performing even while sick enough she could not remember doing so and Manon skips because she was sore. It will very quickly breed resentment
🙄 maybe manon could have done some critical thinking as to why the girls would have been mad at her, it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. And she wasn’t being a “chill” person, there were plenty of “chill” girls on the show that still worked hard. She’s entitled, lazy, and didn’t take it seriously and that’s something that shouldn’t be excused.
@@nothanksijustwantsomemilkbecause the company enabled it. They were telling her it’s okay to do that so she thinks it’s okay when it was not. All this could have been solved with them talking to Manon instead of talking abt her behind her back, but of course the show needed a little drama.
The Manon drama has too much nuance that the general audience isn’t comprehending. Were the girls valid for being frustrated someone not putting in enough effort was doing so well? Absolutely. Should that frustration have been directed at Manon instead of the execs considering Manon was not responsible for fan voting, rankings, decision making, or eliminations? Absolutely not. The thing is that they were all very young girls without a fully developed frontal lobe so I don’t blame that at all, they’re still grasping that life isn’t fair and it’s understandable to blame Manon for that when you don’t get it. however the grown adult audience that can’t see neither party is the issue and there’s no reason to direct hate at Manon or the other girls, but at the execs that created this situation to begin with, have no excuse for not understanding the complexity of the situation.
How they trated emily before the public announcement and after the public announcement was bloody cruel
I remember Lexie got hate for leaving. Some said that she should've just leave the show earlier because the eliminated girls want to be in her position so bad.
Nayoung also received this.
Lexi leaving I think also sealed fate for Emily bc the look would be off with only Emily being short…the group looks unison and If lexi was in, Emily would have been the balance height with Lexi and would look unison but once lexi left, Emily would have looked so different within the remaining taller girls
Makes total sense! Yes she certainly fell short for her height (unfortunately) and yes I see why she has a greater chance of being selected if Lexi remained. My gut feel was the OG that the management would have selected if Lexi was to stay was Manon, Sophia, Megan, Daniela, Lexi and Emily.
I loved Ezrela, Lexie, Ilya and Adela from the ones who left. They were capable, It is sad what happened to them. But atleast now they're exposed to a wider range of opportunities for suffering so much, also I am following the current KATSEYE girl group. Not all of them are bad, theyre good and I'm looking forward to the journey. I even downloaded WEVERSE To keep up with the girls now that they've debuted and gone global
I was heartbroken when Nayoung had to leave. Though the show did mention her wanting to go solo, someone in the comment section was smart enough to point out that the producers mentioned this on purpose. They had their final 6 in mind and just needed an excuse to eliminate some of the really well loved and talented girls. Seeing the documentary confirm this (Nayoung being in disbelief) upsets me even more. This is one cruel show and it sucks that it became so popular.
manon was picked randomly and trained with other girls who have been trained and dreamed for this for years. i’m not that surprised she felt discouraged. i can see both sides of the story but the other girls were mad at manon when the people they should’ve been mad at are the fans.
why would they be mad at fans? they were right to be frustrated of manon for slacking off. If they didn't call her out she wouldn't have worked a bit harder and show up during practice
They should be mad at the producers because they didn’t sign up for a survival show. The fans had nothing to do with it because they are a great measure on who gets the most love.
@@aiaaeaoi yes i agree, but fans were the ones voting on looks rather than talent. it had nothing to do with manon.
@@jbonceu2457 i don’t think you watched the show? they were mad that she wasn’t putting enough effort as the rest of them but getting better results. the fans liked manon and therefore she made it father. that doesn’t mean you get mad at the fans but you don’t take that out on manon.
and she was sick as well
Great video! I agree with all your takes. These girls should have totally known this was a survival show before going in. Not everyone can handle that sort of thing. Plus that lady in charge seems to have zero conscience whatsoever
No but fr the male vocal coach was the mvp of the show, i love him so much
I loved your take on this documentary. It's honestly shocking to me that people are hating on the girls for being frustrated with Manon. Like we need to understand that these are teenagers put into intense situations and you're expecting them to completely dismiss Manon's behaviour when she's not putting in the same effort as them??? Ultimately i like Manon and thought she was a good fit for the group but it does not mean that we bring other girls down for expressing their feelings towards a situation at that time.
No one deserves hateful comments. It does need to be recognized that for the context of this COMPETITION, the girls' frustration was aimed in the wrong direction.
me personally, I love shows that try to limit drama. I want to see something that isn’t a survival show but shows the hope and joy of someone reaching their dreams while being realistic about the issues. we need more people who care about the wellbeing of people in their care
12:03 That made me sick too. I had to pause there because wtf. She really said that and thought that was a good reason to msnipulate those girl's feelings. Awful.
I can't/won't watch reality TV shows because I can't see how they don't propagate multiple issues in society among young people, people who lack critical thinking, and those who lack emotional intelligence and maturity.
I used to, and it hurt my relationship with my self-image and the women around me. I've seen so many people "hate watch" things that they also idealize and internalize.
The idea that we watch people verbally, intellectually, emotionally, psychologically, and sometimes physically abuse one another for our enjoyment baffles me.
Even watching these girls, these barely out of childhood, and young women, knowing how manipulated they feel for our entertainment, is...painful.
I'm glad you're talking about it in the way you are and bringing to light the damage these shows can do.
And please, no one thinks I'm chastising you or looking down if you enjoy watching this type of content. There are very few sources of media that are ethical under capitalism, and any sort of joy you can find is worth doing as long as you're also mindful of what you consume.
Life is too short to not find pleasure where you can.
And it's crazy, bc almost everyone in the last two generations has read or watched the hunger games. How has everyone missed the very obvious point of the books/movies??
As someone who has consumed KPOP content for over a decade, it's refreshing to see an outside perspective on the predatory and manipulative nature of these media companies. While things like this were deemed "normal" in the kpop fandom, we often lose sight of the fact that these people are human. We're so used to these types of survival shows that something like this doesn't phase me anymore even though it really should.
11:13 exactly, this was so saddistic like why tf did they do that. to be put in such high pressure environment without knowing what they signed up for is just evil. especially knowing that a lot of them are literal teenagers. having your dream ripped from you after 2 years just because of something out of control is so upsetting to see
The whole time I was watching, I was like “this feels like an esposé of a cult.”
Seriously it was giving this energy whoever edited it definitely has worked on those kinda docs ( I went into the show blind as I never heard about the group as I fell off kpop for a long time)
I honestly though it would be Sophia, Lara, Emily, and Lexi for sure. I thought for sure Manon would be sent home for her lack of dedication, but when they kept allowing her to do what she wanted, I knew she was getting on the team. You don't let someone get away with rule breaking unless you're keeping them. The forced drama and lying to the girls broke my heart. They were working so hard and supporting each other and just being good people. To wreck these young women for the sake of entertainment was disgusting. I watched the whole thing to see what happened, but I really only 'enjoyed' the first half before the industry flipped the narrative.
I REALLY wanter Nayoung in the group, I think she would have fit the vibe of the group. But they took something said in confidence out of context to find a way to kick her out
They didn't choose her because she said that she actually wants a career as a soloist
My cousin told me about Katseye and I was really excited to support this act and from watching the RUclips clips I was so ready to root for this group. However, if the Netflix show was made to promote his group, I think it totally backfired. The way they treated the girls makes me want the group to be unsuccessful and hope the girls go on to have successful (solo) careers without these two labels.
I think the main issue is that they released this way too early in the group's career. Because now when the girls post and are like, "We're totally fine!!!" it feels like inauthentic damage control. If they had released it in a few year, they would have a much bigger body of content that showed that they had actually become friends, and that this was just a bump in the road. Like, Han and Hyunjin from Stray Kids said they used to almost get in fist fights predebut, but by the time they told us we already knew they were besties, so it became a funny "can you believe how young, immature, and stressed we were?" and not, I hated this bitch a month ago but we're all cool now, like, I don't believe you!
i agree
nothing these girls did on the show could make me hate them, they all trained for various years and months, were blindsided with it being a voting survival show, had a therapy/venting sesh publicly shared, r in a high pressure situation with the public watching which is a new experience for them all. what they do outside of the show can ofc be judged as to their character. but no one can make me hate adela, manon, lara, sophia etc etc bc of the shows drama.
i think its SO complicated to have an international survival show w different ethnicities bc ppl will often vote ppl from their country so ppl from bigger countries have a major advantage, i wish they used partially the i-land format where producers can save ppl and pick someone to add to final lineup so at least those with less votes could have a chance rather than calculating their votes into a % of the final votes. also it felt especially country voted bc there was no actual show to see personalities, it was just whatever short tiktoks they posted which is SO minimal. theres so many instances where trainees in kpop survival shows end up in groups due to a strong inseparable friendship w another trainee, their personality or as an underdog that overcomes adversities.
imo i would have loved this lineup + adela as a 7 member group, or a group with lexie, ezrela and emily as those 3 had similar energy and vibes. after seeing the doco and seeing tiktoks posted later of adela helping the trainees like a big sis, them relying on her, her pep talks, her dance skills and even moreso her VOCALS, i couldnt help but root for her and wish her the best for her future projects. lexie i was so drawn to from the first impressions alone but her maturity, grace and strength to try continue the show after a very bad injury was SO admirable, ezrela was such a bubble of charm and emily had amazing presence, her dance skills are INSANE and she rlly showcased her ability to perform in the wannabe.
i think the final group still tuned out amazing w a great assortment of members, i love all the girls so im def gonna keep up w katseye
This isn’t the first survival show to not tell the contestants what they were doing. During one of the Produce seasons girls from 48G (a J-Pop group with a ton of sub-units) were brought over to Korea for the survival show and weren’t told what was happening. They just had their devices taken were thrown in with no warning. The music industry is insane
I never watched Produce48 so I didn’t know they weren’t told either?? That’s crazy.
@@floofmccloud it was specifically just the Japanese contestants, the Korean trainees did know about the survival show. The Japanese girls thought they were just promoting in Korea
Main reason this was considered a disaster is because of cultural discipline. If you mix different cultural upbringings into K-pop discipline you will get a lot frictions and different work ethics.
It's sad that I just came from finishing this, and it was so toxic and they didn't care about the girls at all. It was just about business and fame for the creators.
I was initially worried clicking in on this because very often when it comes to kpop people make videos without nuance for some easy click views, but I genuinely love the thoughts you expressed. They were well stated, back up with reasoning, and not lacking in empathy. The majority of these issues are things I’ve felt watching survival shows in the past as well, and the arguments and such being brought up again and again is a real issue. I love many groups formed from survival shows, but when they first debut the dynamics always feel a little off, and it’s understandable due to how competitive it is. It’s dreams and livelihoods. I get how addictive it is to watch but there are huge glaring real issues that deserve discussion.
Your take in the sudden survival show surprise aspect is correct. It’s FUCKED UP. aghhhhh.
It's really inhuman. The parents should sue production, IMHO.
Edit: and yeah... the world does not need the Mitra Darab.
actually Adelá debuted solo with a song called “HOMEWRECKER” it’s so good!
YES OMGGG
As someone who followed along the survival show last year I always knew that this was messed up. That whole "revealing who you want in the group" thing was brutal. Seeing this documentary really shows that it wasnt just crazy, it was borderline inhumane. all these girls are so stong. i always loved lexi and ezerela but this documentary made me love them even more. I hope for the best for all of them. I will say though that the final lineup was pretty damn perfect. great mix of vocals dance and star quality.
Oh, I also thought that they were going with a mature vibe for Katseye. But strangely their debut was... the literal opposite? don't get me wrong, 'Touch' was cute, but it was so different from what we were expecting. We've only seen all these girls, save for yoonchae, doing mature concepts. so it was a strange choice.
I've watched some analyses of this show from the kpop fan lens, and I really appreciate your take as someone who is outside of the kpop fandom. Mainly, I've not heard anyone talk about Mitra as much as you have here. I walked away from this show wondering why the execs would want this posted. It makes Mitra, Bang, and execs in general look absolutely terrible. Keeping the fact that it was a survival show secret was genuinely cruel, and then having the survival show be hosted by a disembodied voice????? Cruel on top of cruel. I am a kpop fan, and was a viewer of the "survival show" as it was coming out. I knew nothing about the girls, didn't know about their personal instas for whatever, and was voting purely from the performances (which....that first mission being half dance and half voice?? voting amongst all of them is apples to oranges but I digress).
This survival show they threw them on felt half baked, and clearly (to me, at least) it *was* half baked, because they had to pivot due to Bang's statement that they debut as fast as possible. There was a moment in one of the "Judge's feedback" for a mission where someone said something along the lines of "Manon is good, she just needs to show up to rehearsal." And I remember being so taken aback by that comment, because we weren't seeing ----any---- behind the scenes of the training process or knowing anything about the girls, and this was the only (iirc) comment that was explicitly negative on something that was happening in the training process. I remember it feeling like an evil edit, because viewers of the show had nothing to go on.
Lexie was right to leave, and I wish that other girls would have followed her. I understand why they did't, tho. I walk away as a viewer of the survival show and the doc as someone who would be hesitant to support Hybe x Geffen projects in the future at all. Mitra's willingness to say everything that she did leaves a terrible taste in my mouth.
I'm wishing the best for all the girls in the program. The lineup could have been made with many combos of six, and I hope that they all find the place where they shine brightest. Emily especially, she's a star. Also, shoutout to the vocal coaches. They come out of this whole thing looking like saints. So encouraging, so warm, I am glad that the girls had them in their corner.
8:35 LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACKKKKKKK
I'm a Mexican actress and it's the same here. People don't care about talent and experience, but how many followers you have in Instagram. Things need to change
It was so wrong that they assured them it WASN'T a survival show and then pulled a COMPLETE bait and switch!! That was completely immoral.
No because Manon was so lucky they needed at least 20 girls for the survival show, theyve sent girls home forless (eg the girl they sent because they knew they couldnt get her to a good enough level within the time, cause if i wastat girl just to see they were willingly to do private tutoring for a girl with no experience DIDNT EVEN AUDITION just for her to end up in the group as well, id be pissed
The thing is a lot people feel like manon and the other girls were both in the wrong in some shape or form the girls were wrong for isolating her but Manon should have took things more seriously. When it comes to the group manon is the it factor of the group she literally has 600k followers right know on Instagram compared to the other girls who have 400k to 300k. I do want to bring up the fact Emily is a great dancer but a lot including myself felt like she was just a great dancer not really a pop star during voting we didn't hear her sing at all so lot people didn't think she was a singer so if that help with anyone perspective from someone who was a part of voting.
Manon isolated herself too, she even said she fears being away from the girls cuz it could affect their relationship it's definitely not a one sided thing...she was like "sometimes living with girls can be hard..."
@@vei80s53Manon didn't isolated herself, the caught the girls were giving her nasty looks (she said in the documentary) and laughing behind her back, also she was sick with COVID, and also trained so hard she was insanely sore.
Well actually, Emily's Wannabe part got viral and it garnered attention from non viewers of Dream Academy. She was also praised for being similar to Baby Spice from Spice Girls. She even gained votes and her rank rose to Top 5 after Mission 3. She was so good in Wannabe and she showcased her better vocals in the finale song All The Same.
But anyway, it's great that she's now getting more recognition and support after the documentary. She's so talented and hardworking. Hopefully, Emily will get better opportunities in her own path.
WHO would've thought that the most toxic music industry in the world would put out a toxic, unfair and borderline unethical music survival show, I didn't see this coming at all.
Lexi was so adulthood in that termination interview that it was a stunning ending. 17:40
My disagreement on Manon. Let me preface I watched the entire series. I’m a trained dancer/singer, with knowledge on K-pop….but I’m no expert 😂. I have no favorite girl, and wish them all the best. Love kaytseye and each girl that didn’t make the group 🩷 this is long too 😭
Anyways this is a take many fans have taken. I have seen discourse prior to the show on Switzerland. The culture shock that many Americans for example have moving there. That being said many fans think that Manon was following a redirect she grew up on. One that read arrogant to those from countries that encourage that hard work/teamwork to a whole other degree. An example of the difference is it’s illegal to work on Sundays in Switzerland and they take wellness/family time very seriously. So when they mention Manon taking time to rest, taking time with family, when she mentions her take on her wellness. It completely aligns with how those from Switzerland tend to think. I can’t say all, I’m sure many move to other countries and learn a different work ethic. But in her case she was hand picked from that environment, and pushed into a whole other world.
The show highlights their nationalities often. It’s the core of the group, that diversity. That being said, it’s unfair to not factor such in when judging Manons behaviors. That’s why I take her seriously when she took accountability, as she mentions realizing she can’t act the same way here. That the environment she was in she didn’t understand, was threatened by, and had to gain confidence in to redirect a mentality she was used to her whole life.
I also have my own thoughts on her being the eldest if I’m not mistaken. I’m older than her by a few months, and the curfew thing I could see being a genuine issue she had that was a mistake on her part to learn from. Just because I can see myself not wanting to obey curfew when in America at the least, you have a lot of freedom in your 20s. Being from Switzerland I’m sure that’s a whole other process as well to adapt to. One in which you’d ignore being young and still somewhat immature. That i can see as a form of “arrogance”, as i could honestly see my own self sneaking out for something If need be if I were her….knowing i shouldnt💀
Exactly, ppl forget every culture has a different mindset on work ethic
still doesn't justify the fact that she get to debut when other girls far hardworking and far more talented didn't get to. Not to ignore the fact she is the oldest and looked around and still didn't think - everyone is working hard, So i should too. Most countries doesn't have such a harsh work culture but still girls from many other countries, worked twice hard. And even if there is difference in work ethic and all understandable but still her being selected isn't right It is so heart breaking watching other girls who deserved to be in that spot but didn't get to because of someone's race and looks. People won't make such excuses for a kpop group member who is just avg at everything and only good thing about that person is their looks . The same audience will point out how unfair this companies are and all. But look at them supporting and victimizing the same kind of person while bullying the members who had every right to hold her accountable. Everyone else was adapting to the very same environment and Lara was scouted to but she and every other girl worked harder. It's okay that Manon had different experience with everything. She is a human and she is no evil for what she did in the show. Just that a much more deserving person should have been there instead of her.
@@cleanrain6841 I said my peace previously, I don’t think it needs to be repeated. So I’ll rebuttal with my original comment you replied to.
@@cleanrain6841the show was simply looking to make a group of the hardest workers. Other factors are involved. At the end of the day the company wants a money making popular group, just like in other kpop groups there are the "visuals" who aren't necessarily the best at anything else. Can't blame her for the company picking her because they for whatever reason think she will make them money.
@@DorisClay Still she doesn't deserve that spot and I will always think so and will blame her for not putting enough effort and being the very symbol of unfair pretty and race privilege that exists in our society and takes the rightful fruit of someone much more deserving. She doesn't deserve the spot. Even before knowing anything about katseye and only thing i watched was touch mv. I thought this blue dress girl is so blank with her expression and not a good performer. After the show, I realized why.
What’s really hard is that they already knew who they wanted.. you can tell based how the executives talked about some of them especially manon, Lexie and lara, but they broke Lexie I wouldn’t doubt she doesn’t sing or dance for a long time. I hope metra gets fired and can never work in this industry again. But we know that wont happen.
What I don’t understand is why non of their music is written by them, it’s all done by a team of ghost writers. And with that context nothing feels really original and creative.
Well it depends on whether they can write or not...there are k-pop groups who write and produce for themselves and there are those who don't, because it's not something that should be forced, it's whether they have it or not....some groups can also only be allowed to release self-produced music after a few years....I don't think the sim with this group is for them to write their own stuff though.... it's not different from solo artists as well, not all big pop stars write their own stuff and it's not really necessary if they are aiming to be top performers and not singer-songwriters
I feel like the kpop format is more about producing performers and celebrities (hence ‘idols’) than actually being focused around the music itself. That said, most major Western artists also use ghost writers. I think we like to believe the industry is more authentic than it actually is. But at the end of the day, is it a bad thing to have the best writers write the songs while the best performers perform them? I’d like to see writers get more credit, but I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad setup. Of course, it does mean that when you find someone who’s both extremely musically talented/creative AND a riveting performer, they are basically gold dust and deserve the most credit. Like Kate Bush or Queen
Most kpop group (or pop groups in general for that matter) almost never write their own music im not sure why this is surprising to you…. Lmao, a lot of other very loved pop stars rn don’t write their music
That's how kpop works. As well as the pop industry in the West.
What?
I believe the chosen six are perfect together and they are all so talented and can really bloom individually if ever they wish to part ways unlike other girl groups who also dance great but only one or two girls can sing. Katseye all of them can sing and are unique.
Prior social media presence was the biggest cheat on this show. It literally meant the elimination of gork who deserved it more than any of the girls who made it.
Honestly, if Lexie had still had any kind of decent relationship with the exec at the end of the show, I could see so many fans showing up for a second group that included Lexie, Ezrela, and Emily.
Nothing about this show felt more gaslightey than them not saying a SINGLE thing about what happened with Samara
Thank you!!! I thought it was because she was injured near the end i was so confused
Them making it a survival show out of no where was fucked up. Thats one thing that they shouldn't have done. Messed up
off topic but it felt so surreal hearing Adéla speak slovak! what a great achievement for a girl from a country that’s almost never represented (i know what i’m talking about since i’m czech)
6:03 it's a good life lesson to young people that legal documents are serious business and you shouldn't take legal matters lightly. Just because everyone else does it, doesn't mean that it's alright to do. Would you hire employees that break the confidentiality of your clients? Or if you don't have employees, would you like to have a doctor who shares all the nitty details of your medical history with the whole world? it's kind of different, but people have to learn to respect company rules that they signed onto.
Please review Sixteen, that have been the blueprint for girlgroup survival show in Kpop, what I'm baffled in Katseye debuting and then release the documentary afterwards while other survival group shows, do the opposite, survival show + documentary then debut them.
it's time for a spin off group with the rejected members
Maybe its because i've watched a lot of survival shows and because 2 of my fav groups come from survival shows. It doesn't really surprise or shock me. That's how the industry works. The same things happen behind the scenes too with all the trainees, we just don't see it. Trainees get cut from line ups all the time, be it them not fitting the concept, style or visuals.
These shows are not talent shows, but popularity ones. Just working hard is not enough, and that's a sad reality. You may have all the talent, but if you dont have a star factor, ppl just wont notice you
7:18 when I first saw people posting about the drama I was like “who’s on my girl Manon”but then after actually watching the episode, I understand the other girls reactions and feelings, if someone wasn’t pulling their weight, I would be frustrated too. I would probably react the same way they did and a lot of them are teenage girls. No hate to Manon, and I’m sure it must have been exhausting, I couldn’t do it, but the other girls worked so hard for many of them not to make it for things they couldn’t control (like all the hate Emily got for being white 💀). Those girls worked so hard 🤍
I agree I would be frustrated too
@@projectpearblossoms i get being frustrated, and that is completely valid. And their behaviour is understandable for their age
Does not mean it was correct of them. Everyone in this situation was ultimately in the wrong, and the reason was bad communication.