It gave me goosebumps to hear her mention the perp in her 911 call as a possible suspect, but even in such an amount of trauma and stress, she was so kind to say that it would be awful if she was wrong. Such a beautiful and strong heart!
As a martial arts instructor I always tell ladies to trust that gut instinct. When someone seems creepy, or things just don't seem right, pay attention. You are usually right.
I notice that is a problem with a lot of these cases. Years later when they finally do DNA they find the perpetrator often lived very close to the victim.
@@fremontpathfinder8463 most people only travel within 20 miles a day. Also, people feel comfortable in a familiar places. Also, when police ask," you see any strangers", people don't think the neighbor is out of place. Then we don't want to think a killer was among us and we didn't know it.
The victim saying " the rapist sounds like the neighbor". That should have been enough evidence to at least ask him for a DNA sample, but they refused to. They failed this girl, even though later they found him.
I don't think they can go as far as asking for DNA just based on that but I do agree with you they should've looked at him . Also considering he's the same person giving incriminating evidence against the common law husband.
@@rallytonight8491 Detectives can't force him to give DNA but they can ask him to voluntarily give DNA. If the subject refuses, then that's a big red flag for the investigators. That's when the investigators can trail him and obtain DNA when he throws something away. They can collect his trash and obtain DNA to compare. That's what good detectives would do.
Renee seems like such a strong person and somehow composed explaining her story. My heart breaks for her and Tammy for what happened to them. Also breaks for Tammy’s baby to find out how her mother was raped and murdered while being a vulnerable infant. To grow up without her biological mother is already sad, how it was done is even more unimaginable.
Same and same. That's why it's so important to make sure to take legal action. It shows they have a history. They never stop. You do it hoping you're the last one. 💛
For the police to say in first murder that there was no sexual assault? The whole crime was a sexual assault, it boggles my mind that they say this, she was killed because she didn’t comply
Not to mention, Tammy had recently had consensual sex with Jim so Rudy's physical assault on her might've gone unnoticed. There's a good chance the ME didn't even do a SANE kit on Tammy because of the condom found in the trash and the investigators figured it'd be to use that. 🤷♀️😬
Which is why in the perpetrator's second rape he used stealth and already had a knife to her throat so she (probably) wouldn't fight back like Tammy did.
In my younger years I "trusted" everyone and just like Renee would think to myself "But they're so nice..." It took me until I was in my 50s to really listen to my gut. I also had a creepy neighbor, well I still have him but luckily he has stayed away since I told him he made me uncomfortable a year or so ago. He'd just drop by whenever he felt like it. He'd say "I noticed your truck was here so thought I'd check on you". I couldn't tell if he was just being friendly or he thought he'd get in good with me because I'm single OR if he had other intentions, but he gave me the willies. Glad to be rid of him. I've had enough creeps in my life.
Well, if you die alone in your apartment and your animals eat you or you just continue decomposing then just remember, YOU'RE the ONLY person to blame because now you know he won't be checking to see if you're alive and well! Sexist women are worse than murderers because you CONDEMN innocent people for literally NOTHING and with NOTHING to prove your accusations of the men's "true intentions". Sick & twisted! 💯💯🙄🤦♀️🤬🖕🏻
It's really amazing how more often than non when a woman says she feels uncomfortable around a guy, she is right. I guess it's a survival instinct women are born with.
@@saffsuff yes indeed, it is about not following thru with your/their instincts & being doubted. I've told aquaintances & strangers over the yrs,- if it alerts & worries you, damn follow your instincts provided to you by mother natures evolution 🤔🙄😐
Not sure I would have wanted to see a pic of my rapist, but I suppose it was necessary and she was very brave for doing all she did to get him convicted.
Wow what a great episode! Sadly this was the very last episode of Forensic Files. Another show, Forensic Files II later premiered,but with a new narrator, since by that time, the original narrator, Peter Thomas had passed on.
They are Psychopaths that have NO sense of remorse nor feelings towards other people. They care only of themselves. Born without the ability to feel empathy
@@tjmarx Bro that's exactly what a phsycopath is, like that's a spot on definition. I think you should probably read up on phsycopaths and how they act.
*We might be more aware of a lot of things but watching on TV and being a detective in real life is two very different things! This right here is summarized in 17min in order not to bore us to death but in reality a lot of these cases take a long time to solve! Heck this one took what 13 years? Just ask someone who does this everyday, better yet , go to every county's police department in the nation and ask for the number of unsloved (COLD CASES). Your jaw will drop to the floor. If it was as easy as this 17 minutes the average number of COLD CASES per county would be a really low number like 5 a year. Sadly, they are usually in the thousands!*
It's crazy to think how deceiving looks can be. If you look at Rudy you immediately think he's a psycho, but if you look at her husband, Jim he just looks like a normal guy you don't think he's a creep by looking at him and then you hear how much of a monster he was.
Well look at Ted Bundy. Women thought he was good looking. He didn't know a lot of his victims but strangled them so contrary to what the police say about strangulation being a very personal crime based on criminals like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer and others I respectfully disagree.
It just has to do with the way you look in the ID cameras. You can either focus your eyes on the lens or stare through the camera. The same can be said for DMV ID photos. It’s confirmation bias.
I think the reason he didn’t kill the second victim is because she didn’t fight back. He didn’t get the chance to rape the first victim because she immediately fought back.
My cousin was Rudy’s first wife. We all lived in the same house for awhile in Greeley, Colorado in 1985ish. I wouldn’t ever have guessed that the Rudy we knew would be the same Rudy we knew way back then. He is a father of 4. 2 with my cousin and 2 with his second wife. I am glad he was found out for the wrong he did. I’m glad they have the dna proof they can use today…
Attn: *SPOILERS* in comment! I knew immediately it wasn't him who killed her. He wouldn't have left his own child alone nor would he return to the scene of the crime knowing he'd have to look at his mess and her body again. He had anger issues but he wasn't crazy .. And he still had a conscious
Except the cops still treated him as and unofficially labeled him as the killer, not to mention heavily defaming him for decades, hoping he'd crack and end up confessing!🙄🤦♀️🤬
Obviously not too much because EVERYONE knows the spouse is ALWAYS suspect #1 so the detectives were just looking for ANYTHING to corroborate THEIR own theory/assumptions about Jim, to pin it on him because it's easier to clear that case. They don't care when they're wrong, send innocent people to prison, and/or ruin the rest of innocent people's lives.
Closing out the original series, Rudy Gaytan is still in a Colorado prison serving his 72 year sentence and will be eligible for parole in 2056 when he would have to be 95 years old.
How about call the rapist, "the person who raped whatever the lady's name is." I find it highly offensive when the rapist is personalised as such and suches rapist. We don't have a personal relationship with such a person, we have been assaulted in the most demeaning and brutal way woman can be, and our very private part of our body has been violated, our whole self has been violated, It affects the whole life, despite trying to put it in the past, it is there always at some level.
Be strong, your spirit is still pure the body is just a vessel we occupy for a time prescribed. It ages and decomposes . One day you’ll occupy a better one . His sins will find him out.
Wife is killed, police is like “ Of course the husband did it” and forget to find other possible suspects like the guy giving them too much information tying the husband to the murder. I know statistics show the husband should be the first suspect but I think that shouldn’t make police fixed on one suspect. But in the end justice prevailed
The boyfriend deserves to be falsely accused. But the detectives only make another woman a victim. We think we make up scenarios a blame with no evidence except our imagination.
@@paulozimek276 Your absolutely correct Words are dangerous when miss used . I meant I can understand why he was accused. Not that he deserves it. Thanks
Well….there might be a few follow-up questions after “my wife is dead.” This husband was nothing but wronged, but often criminals have to pretend to “find” the body and so call 911 themselves, with a number of cases solved just because the 911 asked for more details, and the killer hadn’t worked out a consistent story yet.
After watching so many episodes of Foresic Files, my first thought was to investigate the neighbors since the perp knew her granma's schedule and was waiting in watch. Typically this is someone in the neighborhood.
Forensic Files is the best crime story show of its type. Both Peter Thompson's narration and the tight storytelling make this show incomparable. Other similar shows have noisy background music, or roving plots, and play one show Seguing to another. I would rather watch Forensic Files re-runs than any of those other shows.
The investigators aren't too smart if they think somebody would actually do that kind of crime and then tie a condom and leave it in the trash, especially after cleaning the house so much
so you wanna tell me that Renée told the police that she had a suspect and they didn’t follow up by ask the Nabors or made a lineup so she could identify his voice 🤮🥲😬🤢 smh
@@davechristian7543 he wasn't innocent though, was he? Why was she a battered partner if he was so blameless? Or do you think that not being her killer makes him a fine old fella?
Probably because his whole "oh I did it out of anger" spiel. Or maybe he just wanted to assault her then ended up murdering her in the moment meaning it wasn't premeditated? Idk
I seriously don't get how a pre-planned murder can be second degree..!!!!in my country it would havebeen first degree murder and he would have been given the death sentence!justice in the west is so skewed...
Does anyone else feel kind of wrong for actually seeing the footage of this woman’s naked, dead body? I feel like that should’ve been omitted from a TV broadcast out of respect for the deceased. 🤷🏾♀️
For that monster named Rudy,knew first hand the story, and took advantage of Tammy's bad situation. Sure he enjoyed while the husband was incriminated. Pure Evil
@@personincognito3989 🤣🤣🤣 yes true. They write a script for you or on your medical records and you can't read one word but another person in the medical industry will be able to read
I feel bad that Tammy's sister held so much hate for Jim, for so long, and he wasn't even guilty. I can't even imagine what happened to the baby, who cared for it, how her family wrongfully hated on the dad. He wasn't perfect, but he wasn't the killer.
She probably never liked him because he would give her sister black eyes and bruises. He also threatened her life and may have went through with his plans. The other man just did it before Jim could, so the sister is probably ok.
I had never seen this particular episode. I examined photos of the husband/boyfriend of the first victim and concluded by face and skull structure that he was not the killer. I was surprised but not too much that it was the man arrested for the killings. One thing about the first murder that stood out and pointed to someone besides the father of the first victims baby didn't kill her, was he only displayed violent behavior towards Tatum when he was under some type of substance. The other clue was no police reports on abuse were filed. Great coverage.
So you thought the husband wasn't the killer because he was hot. I agree, he did have nice bone structure. Pity about the violence and rampant alcoholism.
When I was doing time for something I didn't do other inmates would ask me questions trying to get me to say things that never happened. They'd get so mad I wouldn't admit anything. Of course I used drugs and I drank alot but I had nothing to do with the person who got me in trouble. It always made me laugh. They said it's messed up I'd admit to using drugs but not doing what I was accused of. It's like admitting to hunting deer not admitting to committing murder
It feels weird watching this as it’s the final episode of Forensic Files. 1996 - 2011. It’s a good long run for a crime show or any show. The format of this was different than a good chunk a crime shows back then and nowadays. They were 40-60 minutes long, has a narrator that sometimes sounds like they’re putting on a voice, and they mainly showed interviews with investigators, DNA specialists, victims’ families and sometimes victims themselves. Forensic Files was 22 minutes long, had reenactments to give a visual description of what’s happening, and has a superb and outstanding narrator. Of course there are crime shows that are similar to Forensic Files. The FBI Files, American Justice, Unsolved Mysteries, just to name a few. They also had some great narrators. Anthony Call (FBI Files), Bill Kurtis (American Justice), and I think his name is Robert Stack (Unsolved Mysteries). I may be biased in saying that I put Forensic Files as my top favorite as it was the first crime show I watched. But it really gave me insight into being vigilant of the outside world and I also kept going back and forth if I liked it or not. I will miss this show and while I appreciate them bringing Forensic Files II, it just doesn’t feel the same as the original. I hope Renee, Jim, his and Tammy’s child, and their families are doing alright today and I hope Tammy is resting knowing that this wasted meat sack is where he belongs. RIP Tammy Tatum, those who’d known her that’d passed in recent years, Forensic Files, and Peter Thomas
Side note: don’t have a kid with an addict who abuses you. Regardless of the actual murder perp here. I don’t understand why these women are so eager to have children that they have them with these absolute scumbags.
Yeah, sometimes they marry, get a child and then after all that, the abusers show their real self because they believe that their partner will not leave them..
those manson lamps of his are horrifying to look into, put those eyeballs AWAY. im glad he was put away but the fact that they didnt investigate him sooner is terrible.
It gave me goosebumps to hear her mention the perp in her 911 call as a possible suspect, but even in such an amount of trauma and stress, she was so kind to say that it would be awful if she was wrong. Such a beautiful and strong heart!
Yeah or wait for him to dispose of a cup or sigarette…
'The creepy neighbour that always tries to talk to you'... Married with 2 children... How tragic also for the culprit's family 😥
Usual suspect
Embarrassing how police discarded her comment about that neighbour
They were stupid 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
They were focused on husband, tunnel vision at its finest
@@AAaA-ds8be Not in the second case
When they got DNA samples from ex boyfriend they should have also obtained the neighbor's sample
They didn’t discard it…… if there’s no evidence you can’t search him, heard of the 4th amendment?
As a martial arts instructor I always tell ladies to trust that gut instinct. When someone seems creepy, or things just don't seem right, pay attention. You are usually right.
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If that were true, there wouldn't have been SO many wrongful convictions on "mistaken" identifications. 🙄🙄🙄
Eye witness identification is the least reliable evidence, yet juries give it lot of weight.
Renee mentioned her creepy neighbor in her 911 call so why didn't cops check him out sooner?They should've checked out all her neighbors
I notice that is a problem with a lot of these cases. Years later when they finally do DNA they find the perpetrator often lived very close to the victim.
@@fremontpathfinder8463 Yes a lot of times it's the neighbor or someone close by
@@fremontpathfinder8463 most people only travel within 20 miles a day. Also, people feel comfortable in a familiar places. Also, when police ask," you see any strangers", people don't think the neighbor is out of place. Then we don't want to think a killer was among us and we didn't know it.
@@currypowder15very good point 👍
Why would Tammy pick him up
The victim saying " the rapist sounds like the neighbor". That should have been enough evidence to at least ask him for a DNA sample, but they refused to. They failed this girl, even though later they found him.
that is zero evidence and another dumb statement you made on this video.
I don't think they can go as far as asking for DNA just based on that but I do agree with you they should've looked at him . Also considering he's the same person giving incriminating evidence against the common law husband.
It may have been enough to question him, but a verbal accusation isn’t enough to get a DNA sample from someone.
@@rallytonight8491 Detectives can't force him to give DNA but they can ask him to voluntarily give DNA. If the subject refuses, then that's a big red flag for the investigators. That's when the investigators can trail him and obtain DNA when he throws something away. They can collect his trash and obtain DNA to compare. That's what good detectives would do.
@@tankthearc9875 Actually you're wrong. That was a lead the detectives should follow up on. The case would have been solved much sooner.
Renee seems like such a strong person and somehow composed explaining her story. My heart breaks for her and Tammy for what happened to them. Also breaks for Tammy’s baby to find out how her mother was raped and murdered while being a vulnerable infant. To grow up without her biological mother is already sad, how it was done is even more unimaginable.
howdy 👋 🤠 👉💋
Also breaks for the guy who spent all those years in prison and could also had wound up dead; seems like his situation was sidetracked.
This is one of the saddest episodes ever. Everyone connected to the crimes suffered so. Finally though, the rapist will suffer for his sins....
As a sexual abuse survivor myself, I applaud Renee's courage in doing what she did to ensure that her rapist went away!
Same and same. That's why it's so important to make sure to take legal action. It shows they have a history. They never stop. You do it hoping you're the last one. 💛
You are great, gutsy and the WOMAN. To reveal what you have gone through requires lot of..... What to say, use whatever good words you prefer.
❤️ you are loved.
So sad you had to go through that as a boy. 😢
@@eurekasquared9853 Thanks.
For the police to say in first murder that there was no sexual assault? The whole crime was a sexual assault, it boggles my mind that they say this, she was killed because she didn’t comply
Or because she recognised him, so he had to ‘keep her quiet’.
Not to mention, Tammy had recently had consensual sex with Jim so Rudy's physical assault on her might've gone unnoticed. There's a good chance the ME didn't even do a SANE kit on Tammy because of the condom found in the trash and the investigators figured it'd be to use that. 🤷♀️😬
Which is why in the perpetrator's second rape he used stealth and already had a knife to her throat so she (probably) wouldn't fight back like Tammy did.
Interesting that both girls thought he was creepy, that they didn't like him! Further evidence that a woman's gut feeling doesn't lie!
We have that natural gut feeling!
Absolutely!!!
yeah, but they still get assaulted/murdered, what's your point actually ?? 🤔🙄😐
@@NotfromDetroit I have that feeling too after tacos
@@babagandu 🧐
Hats off to Renee, she had guts!
It's sad that people died like that
People do stupid things for no reason
@@josephpryor9512 I've heard tell.
@@dr.barrycohn5461 stop call this ok
In my younger years I "trusted" everyone and just like Renee would think to myself "But they're so nice..." It took me until I was in my 50s to really listen to my gut. I also had a creepy neighbor, well I still have him but luckily he has stayed away since I told him he made me uncomfortable a year or so ago. He'd just drop by whenever he felt like it. He'd say "I noticed your truck was here so thought I'd check on you". I couldn't tell if he was just being friendly or he thought he'd get in good with me because I'm single OR if he had other intentions, but he gave me the willies. Glad to be rid of him. I've had enough creeps in my life.
Yes, i have a really weird neighbour too. An abuser can't disguise and plp must notice!!!??? . But i Avoid any kind of trouble
guy might have been a nut case, or even a serial killer.
Well, if you die alone in your apartment and your animals eat you or you just continue decomposing then just remember, YOU'RE the ONLY person to blame because now you know he won't be checking to see if you're alive and well! Sexist women are worse than murderers because you CONDEMN innocent people for literally NOTHING and with NOTHING to prove your accusations of the men's "true intentions". Sick & twisted! 💯💯🙄🤦♀️🤬🖕🏻
Oh God bless! Her saying she has to lead her best life because she survived, what an incredible young lady!
I have to share that I've seen these so many times but it's the narrator I really like listening to
Fa real I can go ta sleep to it sad as it is
You want him to talk dirty to you
Yep I got the
Yep I
I just don’t know what to say
It's really amazing how more often than non when a woman says she feels uncomfortable around a guy, she is right.
I guess it's a survival instinct women are born with.
Unfortunately they have to have this instinct. By the way; I’m a man….
@@pggrootde6726 o
but they still get assaulted/ murdered, what's your point ?? 🤔🙄😐
@@jimmyohara2601 they should trust their instinct more and we should take their concerns more seriously
@@saffsuff yes indeed, it is about not following thru with your/their instincts & being doubted.
I've told aquaintances & strangers over the yrs,- if it alerts & worries you, damn follow your instincts provided to you by mother natures evolution 🤔🙄😐
Not sure I would have wanted to see a pic of my rapist, but I suppose it was necessary and she was very brave for doing all she did to get him convicted.
Wow her intuation was right . She thought it was her neighbor and it was.
Husband in monotone: "I think my wife is dead"
911 operator: "OK CALM DOWN"
Do you want to see my anaconda?
🤣😂
I was like wtf
Right!!!!!!!!
Haha Jon’s a loser 😂
2nd degree murder? How is that not 1st degree murder.
Common theme: all the dudes think he's a 'normal' guy, all the chicks think he's 'weird'.
Wow what a great episode! Sadly this was the very last episode of Forensic Files. Another show, Forensic Files II later premiered,but with a new narrator, since by that time, the original narrator, Peter Thomas had passed on.
Nothing soothes my soul quite like Peter Thomas telling me terrible things.
Amen ;)
I dont understand how ppl can take someone's life..
Some people are heartless
They are Psychopaths that have NO sense of remorse nor feelings towards other people. They care only of themselves. Born without the ability to feel empathy
@@spicnspan981 Complete and utter nonsense. Your level of ignorance is astounding
@@tjmarx Um not really lol that’s a pretty spot on definition of a psychopath?
@@tjmarx Bro that's exactly what a phsycopath is, like that's a spot on definition. I think you should probably read up on phsycopaths and how they act.
there are definitely ppl who make you uncomfortable- you don't know why...but there is always a reason!
For me it's called vibes lol. We all have it but others can pick up on it stronger. Now someone in prison can give him the creeps until he dies
These dispatchers are the worst. Don't tell someone calm down when they are telling you a loved one is dead.
O ok
But you have to. So that you can get to the details clearly to help your loved ones. It’s hard I know. Been there.
@@catherinesantos2379 not the way she was rudely saying it.
@@catherinesantos2379 You don't know much of anything because Jim was ALREADY calm! Duh...🙄🤦♀️🤦♀️
It's always the children that suffer the most when couples fight!
Filmrise is fantastic ! Love watching these . As much as these are heart breaking 🥺
He killed Tammy because she could identify him. He took precautions with Rene.
Such an awesome show....been watching it for years. We could all be detectives after watching these....
*We might be more aware of a lot of things but watching on TV and being a detective in real life is two very different things! This right here is summarized in 17min in order not to bore us to death but in reality a lot of these cases take a long time to solve! Heck this one took what 13 years? Just ask someone who does this everyday, better yet , go to every county's police department in the nation and ask for the number of unsloved (COLD CASES). Your jaw will drop to the floor. If it was as easy as this 17 minutes the average number of COLD CASES per county would be a really low number like 5 a year. Sadly, they are usually in the thousands!*
@@Twistedtank-c4p yes vwry hard work 💪
Those poor women! How can people be so evil?
Most are men , coward men who prey on women. They’re not human, they’re demons .
Peter Thomas
The greatest narrator of all times...
Thank you.
It's crazy to think how deceiving looks can be. If you look at Rudy you immediately think he's a psycho, but if you look at her husband, Jim he just looks like a normal guy you don't think he's a creep by looking at him and then you hear how much of a monster he was.
Well look at Ted Bundy. Women thought he was good looking. He didn't know a lot of his victims but strangled them so contrary to what the police say about strangulation being a very personal crime based on criminals like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer and others I respectfully disagree.
It just has to do with the way you look in the ID cameras. You can either focus your eyes on the lens or stare through the camera. The same can be said for DMV ID photos. It’s confirmation bias.
Last time for my boy Peter. What a legend you were.
Thank God for forensic scientists. These men & women are fantabulous.
Catching this creep.
I think the reason he didn’t kill the second victim is because she didn’t fight back. He didn’t get the chance to rape the first victim because she immediately fought back.
spot on.
No cause she would of known it’s their friend. He wouldn’t of been able to SA her and get away with it
@@SethMacLeod95 would *have wouldn't *have
@@stfuplsok :P
The only show I binge watch.
F.files must come back. Let us sign a petition
@@maramarxx2431 it won't be the same. Peter Thomas died 7 years ago.
These and unsolved mysteries
Those detectives are all heros on Forensic File's
My cousin was Rudy’s first wife. We all lived in the same house for awhile in Greeley, Colorado in 1985ish. I wouldn’t ever have guessed that the Rudy we knew would be the same Rudy we knew way back then. He is a father of 4. 2 with my cousin and 2 with his second wife. I am glad he was found out for the wrong he did. I’m glad they have the dna proof they can use today…
Exceptional episode. Renee was so smart and brave .
I don't care if he's 120 years old when he's eligible he should never ever have an option of parole insanity
Attn: *SPOILERS* in comment!
I knew immediately it wasn't him who killed her. He wouldn't have left his own child alone nor would he return to the scene of the crime knowing he'd have to look at his mess and her body again. He had anger issues but he wasn't crazy .. And he still had a conscious
Thanks for the upload. This is a sad story. Glad he was caught. Thank you DNA
Thank you God for creating DNA.
@@fletcher373 Thank you humans for creating god.
@@fletcher373 what up with you
@@fletcher373 fictional non existent entities made nothing. humans made em up & keep the delusional stupidity going 😐🤪
a crime solved without Luminol.......
How did he get in? What kind of question is that from the 911 operator? Not like, are you in danger or something better?
I am happy that detectives decided not to charge the husband in 93 it actually paid off in the long run
Except the cops still treated him as and unofficially labeled him as the killer, not to mention heavily defaming him for decades, hoping he'd crack and end up confessing!🙄🤦♀️🤬
He was charged with second degree murder? What a joke.
I'm no detective but when the rehab buddy pointed the finger I knew he was the perp. How hard did these cops try? Really?
Obviously not too much because EVERYONE knows the spouse is ALWAYS suspect #1 so the detectives were just looking for ANYTHING to corroborate THEIR own theory/assumptions about Jim, to pin it on him because it's easier to clear that case. They don't care when they're wrong, send innocent people to prison, and/or ruin the rest of innocent people's lives.
lazy police work
Hahaha i knew it was him too
Closing out the original series, Rudy Gaytan is still in a Colorado prison serving his 72 year sentence and will be eligible for parole in 2056 when he would have to be 95 years old.
How about call the rapist, "the person who raped whatever the lady's name is." I find it highly offensive when the rapist is personalised as such and suches rapist. We don't have a personal relationship with such a person, we have been assaulted in the most demeaning and brutal way woman can be, and our very private part of our body has been violated, our whole self has been violated, It affects the whole life, despite trying to put it in the past, it is there always at some level.
Marilyn McDonald totally agree with u 100%. Exactly
Prayers to you and all who have suffered this dehumanizing injury.
@@kathleenkelly9888 It's been almost 20 years, and I'm still trying to find my way.
I ToTaLLY aGree wITh u GREAT POINT 👍🤩👍
Be strong, your spirit is still pure the body is just a vessel we occupy for a time prescribed. It ages and decomposes . One day you’ll occupy a better one . His sins will find him out.
Wife is killed, police is like “ Of course the husband did it” and forget to find other possible suspects like the guy giving them too much information tying the husband to the murder. I know statistics show the husband should be the first suspect but I think that shouldn’t make police fixed on one suspect. But in the end justice prevailed
The boyfriend deserves to be falsely accused. But the detectives only make another woman a victim. We think we make up scenarios a blame with no evidence except our imagination.
@@spikenomoon
Does not deserve to be falsely accused!
@@paulozimek276 Your absolutely correct Words are dangerous when miss used . I meant I can understand why he was accused. Not that he deserves it. Thanks
Am I the only one that watches this to go to sleep
Same😬😂.
Puts me to bed every time.. I’m glad it’s not just me. 😅
It has a podcast
No u not alone
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Shouldn’t each state police dept compare their DNA samples to the National database not just their state database
They do now but back then nobody had the same systems or standards, so it was a state by state basis for a bit.
Jim to 911: I think my wife's dead.
The dispatcher: Ok, tell me what's happened!!!!
PS He just did!
Well….there might be a few follow-up questions after “my wife is dead.” This husband was nothing but wronged, but often criminals have to pretend to “find” the body and so call 911 themselves, with a number of cases solved just because the 911 asked for more details, and the killer hadn’t worked out a consistent story yet.
After watching so many episodes of Foresic Files, my first thought was to investigate the neighbors since the perp knew her granma's schedule and was waiting in watch. Typically this is someone in the neighborhood.
Forensic Files is the best crime story show of its type. Both Peter Thompson's narration and the tight storytelling make this show incomparable. Other similar shows have noisy background music, or roving plots, and play one show Seguing to another. I would rather watch Forensic Files re-runs than any of those other shows.
2nd degree murder under circumstances of rape?? Feck that. 😡
The best program ever 👍
Fascinating to think about, how the baby will feel now? to realize his father is not the victim....
He had to kill Tammy bc he knows her boyfriend smh he let Renee live bc he didn’t have anyone connections w anyone she knows
oh you're right, that's a good point
Boy, I sure hope that guy gets out when he's 103😂😂
The investigators aren't too smart if they think somebody would actually do that kind of crime and then tie a condom and leave it in the trash, especially after cleaning the house so much
If you are going to leave somebody, DO NOT TELL the person your leaving your plans! Make plans and just GO!
What was this Monster's motive to murder Tammy?
He resisted, she recognized him
money 💰
The last episode of Forensic Files until Buried Secrets in 2020
so you wanna tell me that Renée told the police that she had a suspect and they didn’t follow up by ask the Nabors or made a lineup so she could identify his voice 🤮🥲😬🤢 smh
He knew Jim's situation and tried to grass him up You f**ked up Rudy.
Yeah but did anyone apologize to Jim? I bet his life had been hell for awhile.
Probably not lol
off course not but if it was a female accused n then found not guilty 'then they would have lol haha arnt i a c..t lol
This is Colorado. No
Both graham and Vaughn apologized at the court hearing
@@davechristian7543 he wasn't innocent though, was he? Why was she a battered partner if he was so blameless? Or do you think that not being her killer makes him a fine old fella?
how did he get 2nd degree murder and not first?
Probably because his whole "oh I did it out of anger" spiel. Or maybe he just wanted to assault her then ended up murdering her in the moment meaning it wasn't premeditated? Idk
I remember this being on crime watch daily as well.
I've been looking for this series in Netflix. I hate them for removing this.
He didn't get a life sentence, he can still do something with his life when he gets out.
He was sentenced to 72 years & is not eligible for parole until he’s 103 years old.
Jeez the actual police footage in Tammy’s episode was brutal. They don’t show things like that on true crime shows anymore.
I seriously don't get how a pre-planned murder can be second degree..!!!!in my country it would havebeen first degree murder and he would have been given the death sentence!justice in the west is so skewed...
That young girl is amazing. To think of others instead of letting that night's overcome her. God bless you girl.❤
Does anyone else feel kind of wrong for actually seeing the footage of this woman’s naked, dead body? I feel like that should’ve been omitted from a TV broadcast out of respect for the deceased. 🤷🏾♀️
Nope I’m afraid you’re the only one. The human body is just that a body! And I didn’t see a naked body here ma’am
I don’t have a problem with it
Nope, just you.
That husband fit every category almost. He almost committees the perfect crime made the husband the main killer.
For that monster named Rudy,knew first hand the story, and took advantage of Tammy's bad situation. Sure he enjoyed while the husband was incriminated. Pure Evil
@@maramarxx2431 Hard to feel sorry for the husband given how he treated Tammy
As of 2021, Rudy Gaytan is still in prison.
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Some super graphic images here FYI HEADS UP!
Get away with murder? Who does he think he is? OJ Simpson?
OJ is innocent, he sas he doesnt want to move back to cali in fear the real killer may get him too
FYI any strangulation deaths are pre-meditated it takes four minutes to hold that pressure
That's not premeditated.
So how is Jim today? He seems not to have been the nicest husband around….
Awesome work
Thank you my favourite crime show🤗
Tammy had a beautiful handwriting in that diary, I just love it. Mine is one of the worst handwritings in the world.
Haha. Great comment. I'm sure it's not, you should try reading Doctors orders, now that's the worst.🤣
@@personincognito3989 🤣🤣🤣 yes true. They write a script for you or on your medical records and you can't read one word but another person in the medical industry will be able to read
Yes she did
Doctor tears off prescription sheet and hands it to you “💱➿〰️♍️♑️”
Does anyone else get pumped up when they hear “Up Next”😊
When that music comes and the you hear the narrators voice you know what time it is
I feel bad that Tammy's sister held so much hate for Jim, for so long, and he wasn't even guilty. I can't even imagine what happened to the baby, who cared for it, how her family wrongfully hated on the dad. He wasn't perfect, but he wasn't the killer.
Not perfect?! He was a very violent alcoholic! He was guilty, just not of murdering Tammy. Don't waste your pity on him.
@@moviemad56 why do I get the feeling you would have loved to see a man innocent of the crime(i.e Jim) rot in jail just because he's a bad person?
She probably never liked him because he would give her sister black eyes and bruises. He also threatened her life and may have went through with his plans. The other man just did it before Jim could, so the sister is probably ok.
@@moviemad56 always the womans family will exaggerate what the husband did. happens all the time in family courts
@@tankthearc9875 Ikr 😒
I had never seen this particular episode. I examined photos of the husband/boyfriend of the first victim and concluded by face and skull structure that he was not the killer.
I was surprised but not too much that it was the man arrested for the killings.
One thing about the first murder that stood out and pointed to someone besides the father of the first victims baby didn't kill her, was he only displayed violent behavior towards Tatum when he was under some type of substance.
The other clue was no police reports on abuse were filed.
Great coverage.
So you thought the husband wasn't the killer because he was hot. I agree, he did have nice bone structure. Pity about the violence and rampant alcoholism.
So in the end it was the husband that killed. She would have been alive if he wasn't a drunk that needed to leave the home for treatment.
A drunk and a violent woman beater. That woman was in serious danger already.
This 911 operators---- the questions they asked?
and so abrupt
Ye like how did the rapist get in. Wtf
I know! I called because my neighbor was choking his wife out on their deck and 911 asked me when MY birthday was😆
When the dispatcher says ‘ calm down ‘ after someone’s found / reported a dead body . No sorry not calm .
UP NEXT
PROSECUTORS BELIEVE
lines used in every forensic files program
When I was doing time for something I didn't do other inmates would ask me questions trying to get me to say things that never happened. They'd get so mad I wouldn't admit anything. Of course I used drugs and I drank alot but I had nothing to do with the person who got me in trouble. It always made me laugh. They said it's messed up I'd admit to using drugs but not doing what I was accused of. It's like admitting to hunting deer not admitting to committing murder
A husband, who basically lives in the house, wouldn’t take time to clean up his own fingerprints
It feels weird watching this as it’s the final episode of Forensic Files. 1996 - 2011. It’s a good long run for a crime show or any show. The format of this was different than a good chunk a crime shows back then and nowadays. They were 40-60 minutes long, has a narrator that sometimes sounds like they’re putting on a voice, and they mainly showed interviews with investigators, DNA specialists, victims’ families and sometimes victims themselves.
Forensic Files was 22 minutes long, had reenactments to give a visual description of what’s happening, and has a superb and outstanding narrator.
Of course there are crime shows that are similar to Forensic Files. The FBI Files, American Justice, Unsolved Mysteries, just to name a few.
They also had some great narrators. Anthony Call (FBI Files), Bill Kurtis (American Justice), and I think his name is Robert Stack (Unsolved Mysteries).
I may be biased in saying that I put Forensic Files as my top favorite as it was the first crime show I watched. But it really gave me insight into being vigilant of the outside world and I also kept going back and forth if I liked it or not.
I will miss this show and while I appreciate them bringing Forensic Files II, it just doesn’t feel the same as the original.
I hope Renee, Jim, his and Tammy’s child, and their families are doing alright today and I hope Tammy is resting knowing that this wasted meat sack is where he belongs.
RIP Tammy Tatum, those who’d known her that’d passed in recent years, Forensic Files, and Peter Thomas
Side note: don’t have a kid with an addict who abuses you. Regardless of the actual murder perp here. I don’t understand why these women are so eager to have children that they have them with these absolute scumbags.
Yeah, sometimes they marry, get a child and then after all that, the abusers show their real self because they believe that their partner will not leave them..
I find it fascinating that scientist thought....we will get there eventually will less specimens.
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those manson lamps of his are horrifying to look into, put those eyeballs AWAY. im glad he was put away but the fact that they didnt investigate him sooner is terrible.
Shout out to the cops that let him get off and waited for him to hurt another person! Great job!
Bravo courageous, Renee!!! How many others were assaulted by Rudy--more than two I'd bet the house. xo
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Renee is a warrior!
Sadie was the cutest baby.