@@BrandonTLuong I’m helping consolidate and report on the data, but going to keep running the second iteration of the pan (mentioned in this video). Originally I was going to test this version (third iteration), but we wanted to get it on cars with coilovers and stickier tires vs my tame, stock-ish setup. So Tor and some other folks are going to run this version and we’ll see how it does with higher loads.
I can only say thanks for all that you guys are doing on this project and as a fellow engineer and BRZ owner its been awesome to follow the development all the way through. It’s truly appreciated by the community. I for one will be picking one up as soon as it’s available.
i don’t own a GR86. this video is awesome. I hope this sort of transparency, communication, and data driven research pays off and continues to become more popular in the automotive aftermarket world. It’s shockingly rare right now. (Make e46 parts like this and i’ll sell you my soul)
Fez Babar in Gridlife definitely has one of the most competitive FA24s out there so seeing his data around several different track would be pretty advantageous for you guys.
Since you love questions, when you move to a cast version, would you consider incorporating cooling fins, kind of like how the factory S2000 oil pan has? The beauty of this question is that you can ignore it.
Thank you guys for all the time, efffort and engineering you have put into solving this issue. I hope Toyota/Subaru or at least the GR cup starts to use your pans if this fixes the issue to help with making this financially sound for you guys. Glad to hear it works with the factory header. Can’t wait for this to hit the market ready to fix this issue on my GR86!
Thank you guys for doing this. I'm a boring commuter who doesn't thrash the car on track enough to be worried about oil starvation, so I would like to preserve my powertrain warranty - but as soon as the car hits 5 years of 60k miles I will be your customer. Thank you for designing around the OEM manifold, I do not want to run illegal it's not worth it for me on street.
A lot of people who track their car run aftermarket headers because they reliably increase power, even including the GR cup cars. I think a pan compatible with popular aftermarket headers can probably attract a good chunk of people. I personally hope you guys will look into it.
The pan looks awesome guys! I will definitely be picking one up when they go into production and I’m looking forward to not having to worry so much about blowing up my engine I will say though that personally I would have preferred to lose a little capacity if it meant I could retain the OE heat shields. I’m not very concerned with overall oil temps increasing, especially since I just installed an oil cooler. I do have a bit of a concern though with the extremely high air barrier temps conducting heat into the pan, potentially coking oil along that wall adjacent to the header. Regardless I still believe in your development and will absolutely be running one of these on my car.
I've got question What about factory OEM oil dipstick measurements? Any needs to manufacture a new scale or OEM will be able to read the amount of the oil level correctly?
The factory dipstick is still usable as is. It’s designed to tell you the “maximum” oil level in the engine based on protecting the oil from reaching too high up in the engine and contacting the crankshaft. We will have more oil volume at the same level at the dipstick, but we’re ultimately just trying to the oil reaching too high in the engine, so that’s not a problem.
I was about to put up for sale my loved GR86 just because I can' t almost enjoy driving anymore with her as I' m constantly worried about this issue, really frustrating... But then I watched this video and it gives me some hope, I really want to keep my car and continue using it as my daily and for some track days... I really wish this works out well, best of luck with this project!
Thank you for what you guys do for us car enthusiasts, can’t wait for you guys to mass produce this oil pan, this looks like a really good approach 🔥🔥🔥
It would be nice if it's able to retain the header heat shield while having a bit lesser oil capacity. Because i am a daily driver, most of the time could be in a slow moving heavy traffic or caught in a standstill traffic. A lot of heat generated could quickly get trapped inside engine bay and potentially heating up the oil pan too. Compare to car on the move or in track where airflow will help to dissipate heat as per said air barrier.
@@VerusEngineering thank you so much and highly appreciate what Verus Engineering has done here for the community. it would very nice if there is another version for us daily driver that would go on track occasionally, at least with this solution we could have a little peace of mind going onto track too. thanks again
If you take a look at the engine block, the actual sealing surface due to casting is quite small. We wanted to do something like that but felt it best to keep it OEM-esque in this regard as having a pan that continually leaks is quite frustrating. It's not a nice flange on the engine side of things. Sorry.
Would love to see the second piece that you weld on be bolt on. Being able to easily open the pan would be fantastic. Route a chanel in it so it can hold a big o ring
Second that! Here’s hoping Jesse from JDL sends Verus some scans or headers for testing. I too have the JDL catted UEL. From looking at my setup, the JDL header creates more room than stock. Stock is V-shaped around the pan, and UEL is more boxy. Either this pan fits as is, or significantly more capacity can be had with a design specific to UEL.
@@jumboshirmp would love to see a list come out of what headers ppl can fit around this pan once it makes production. would be dope if the JDL’s boxy shape can actually accommodate it
The real MVPS! I am currently in South America on vacation, when is the deadline to send you guys a header? I would love to run something like this with a UEL JDL catted header so I can stay legal and get that rumble.
Thanks for the update! Awesome work you guys are doing to help all of us! Where do this FA20 guys fit into all this? Do you anticipate the end product to work for the FA20 owners?
Out of curiousity, why was the extra 1.3L size chosen? I hear that only an extra 0.5-1.0L is needed(unless my understanding is wrong). Could it be possible to make it only 1.0L larger instead and make the pan sit just a tad further away from the exhaust manifold and possibly with the heat shield in place? Maybe you could add some cooling fins while your at it.(although not that necessary since oil coolers exist) Edit: Some cars some pass smog tests if the heat shield is removed. The heat shield assists the cat to heat up to its effective heat range quicker from a cold start. So just consider that when aiming for those that have to comply with CARB, myself included.
> I hear that only an extra 0.5-1.0L is needed People are still experiencing pressure drops with 1.0L overfills. The version that I tested had around 1L of extra capacity and I overfilled and there was still a little room for improvement, so Verus pushed a little harder.
We maximized the available area. There is no reason beyond that. If we leave the heat shield in place, we would be taking a massive area out of the pan, unfortunately. The heat shield is huge. Maybe their is a way to cut the heat shield where the pan is at and leave it on the outside to pass CARB and run the pan? Are inspectors taking off the underbody panels too now?
Really want to know when approximately I can place the order for this amazing oil pan and baffle, can’t wait to install it and no longer need to worry about the oil starvation for any right turn on track.
Air gap is a great thermal insulator. Leave the oil pan a two-piece design. A one-piece pan will be a cleaning problem for the inevitable rod knock and bearing debris inside an intricate part. Will be much easier to clean a two-piece pan and guarantee cleanliness to the customer. Eventually, casting a two-piece pan will also be easier than a one-piece pan with internal details. Rubber flaps are successfully used in various applications, introduced by Cosworth to the Subaru world some 15 years ago, and now used by IAG and Torque Solutions in their products.
Look at actual tests of gold foil engine masters did a test and it actually increased heat transfer. A simple sheet metal shield did the best. The airspace is the key.
hi may you please test fitment of different headers after the design is complete? just to see which popular headers are going to fit the pan? then you may advertise what headers are compatible with your pan when selling
Question number three - does the increased oil volume, would be a negative for oil pump or it doesn't really matter? Would it support OEM stock oil plug & washer?
The goal is to always have oil available to the pump and, in this car, you need better engine oil return (expensive/complicated) or more oil (cheaper/simpler) in order to achieve that. There’s no downside to more oil volume and actually only upsides: with more oil volume you have more thermal mass to handle higher heat.
So, in the midwest, it's very easy to get 6-8 track days throughout the year just by scheduling them on cooler days, ambient temps between 60-70 degrees. I don't have an oil cooler and my oil temps stay between 255-265. Halfway through the session I'll do a cooldown lap to bring it down to 225-235, and that's been good enough. Waterford Hills Autobahn North and South Grattan Gingerman M1 Concourse Nelson Ledges Probably would need a cooler for Road America though
With the factory heat exchanger, the oil temperature doesn't depend much on the ambient temperature. I had the same 260ish in 50°F ambient and 110°F ambient. That being said, the conventional wisdom is that at 260°F the oil pressure is too low for these engines unless you're running something like 10w-60
Keep up the good work, and if you use youtube views as stats and by country you will know there's a community here in Australia waiting for you mass production release.
In order to install a longer pickup tube, you would have to drop the entire engine to do so. We want to avoid dropping the engine for a simple pan install.
In order to get to the pickup tube, you have to remove the front cover. That does not sound very fun doing with the engine still in the car. Much easier to remove the engine.
Is there gonna be some kind of group buy/pre order kind of thing for this product? I am 100% buying one as soon as it’s available just hoping and praying it fits the JDL UEL which I wanted to get down the road. That pesky torque dip nears ruins the car on the street.
Unfortunately, we do not have any available. Make sure to email us though, so that we can put you on our email list for updates regarding the pan. sales@verus-engineering.com
What if this fixes it? We would love to but you'd have to pull the entire front cover to get to the pickup. We believe that most owners would not want to do that amount of work vs just a pan swap.
@@VerusEngineering Fair enough, might not be economically feasible for the majority. Thank you for spear heading a different solution. May your results bear a fruitful outcome.
I'm intriguing to know if the oil level with these that sits in the engine (NOT capacity) is the same as stock level? I want to see an improvement without 'gaming the system' as such.
@@VerusEngineering this is exactly what i was asking. Is it still at oem level and not artificially raising the level to make it look better than it is as such .
@@VerusEngineering looking forward to the results. A fantastic car held back by the oem pan. Good luck VE !!! (I'm also secretly hoping this will be compatible with the VB WRX.
Unfortunately, we currently do not have a solid ETA to offer. It will be available sometime in 2025. If you haven't emailed us to get put on the email list, we highly advise doing so. That way you can stay up to date on the process of the pan.
The down side up makes it easier to see the engine cooling problems of a flat engine ie, look how close the exhaust headers are to the sump, only a bees dick away. Therefore , of cause the oil is a heat sink and accumulates heat fro the engine . This part however is a big step towards sorting these engines out . ❤️🇦🇺👍
Do you see any potential drawbacks of the design you can think of? I'm not criticising by any means, just wonder if, except the heat, mitigated by oil cooler, there might be any potential issue whatsoever, that is invisible to normal John. Cheers and looking forward :)
How much are most dry sump systems? How much added complexity are dry sumps? Most dry sumps are multiple 1000's from our experiences and add quite a bit of complexity. Keep it simple?
I want clearance for the classic Ace 350 headers. Otherwise known as the header with the most area under curve, and the header with the largest primary runners.
Porsche figured it out by adding a very expensive dry sump to their cars. Subaru can't charge $60k+ for their vehicles, so they can't justify developing that.
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Awesome walkthrough. So excited to see see the test data!
Are you part of the testing group 🤩
Thank you! We appreciate everything that you've done to help us!
@@BrandonTLuong I’m helping consolidate and report on the data, but going to keep running the second iteration of the pan (mentioned in this video). Originally I was going to test this version (third iteration), but we wanted to get it on cars with coilovers and stickier tires vs my tame, stock-ish setup. So Tor and some other folks are going to run this version and we’ll see how it does with higher loads.
@900BRZ that's cool! Glad to see your part of the testing group. Hopefully the data you're looking at helps find a good solution 👍🏼
Thank u guys for doing the lords word and constantly providing quality parts at reasonable prices for these platforms all these years!
We appreciate the support! We couldn't do it without our awesome community.
Christmas music vibes in July for an extremely nerdy oil pan modification for a sports car. I’m here for it
I can only say thanks for all that you guys are doing on this project and as a fellow engineer and BRZ owner its been awesome to follow the development all the way through. It’s truly appreciated by the community. I for one will be picking one up as soon as it’s available.
We greatly appreciate it! Looking forward to the road ahead.
Thanks for designing it around stock OEM headers.
You're welcome! The rare thanks!
will it fit with Tomei UEL headers?
i don’t own a GR86. this video is awesome. I hope this sort of transparency, communication, and data driven research pays off and continues to become more popular in the automotive aftermarket world. It’s shockingly rare right now.
(Make e46 parts like this and i’ll sell you my soul)
Hey Owen, we greatly appreciate that! To the future! We couldn't do this with out the community.
It takes a lot of time and effort and money to kick something like this off. Thanks for keeping us in the loop!
It's been one heck of a ride for sure. We appreciate the support!
Fez Babar in Gridlife definitely has one of the most competitive FA24s out there so seeing his data around several different track would be pretty advantageous for you guys.
We appreciate the input! He's a solid driver.
Since you love questions, when you move to a cast version, would you consider incorporating cooling fins, kind of like how the factory S2000 oil pan has? The beauty of this question is that you can ignore it.
Yeah but they’re pushovers if they do 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for all the work. Will buy one as soon as you have them available.
Thanks for the update, guys. It's a nice, thorough video answering many questions.
Verus Engineering can’t be stopped!! 💪 excited for your team to cross the finish line on this project
Thank you!
Thank you guys for all the time, efffort and engineering you have put into solving this issue. I hope Toyota/Subaru or at least the GR cup starts to use your pans if this fixes the issue to help with making this financially sound for you guys. Glad to hear it works with the factory header. Can’t wait for this to hit the market ready to fix this issue on my GR86!
This is dedication to a platform! Great work you guys!
Thank you! We appreciate it.
Helpful explanations as always!
Doing our best!
Thank you guys for doing this. I'm a boring commuter who doesn't thrash the car on track enough to be worried about oil starvation, so I would like to preserve my powertrain warranty - but as soon as the car hits 5 years of 60k miles I will be your customer. Thank you for designing around the OEM manifold, I do not want to run illegal it's not worth it for me on street.
Sounds good!
Appreciate you guys putting the work in on this. A solid solution is much needed.
Of course! Always happy to help the community.
a million times THANK YOU
Thank you for watching along!
Great work ! Prepare for a shipload of orders coming in, I will place one of them 🤗
Thank you!
A lot of people who track their car run aftermarket headers because they reliably increase power, even including the GR cup cars. I think a pan compatible with popular aftermarket headers can probably attract a good chunk of people. I personally hope you guys will look into it.
We'll do our best.
Simply awesome guys! This is a "must have" for my beloved S/C FA24 BRZ! Just waiting for production.
Appreciate it!
You’re doing the lords work, great job guys.
Lolol, thank you!
The pan looks awesome guys! I will definitely be picking one up when they go into production and I’m looking forward to not having to worry so much about blowing up my engine
I will say though that personally I would have preferred to lose a little capacity if it meant I could retain the OE heat shields. I’m not very concerned with overall oil temps increasing, especially since I just installed an oil cooler. I do have a bit of a concern though with the extremely high air barrier temps conducting heat into the pan, potentially coking oil along that wall adjacent to the header.
Regardless I still believe in your development and will absolutely be running one of these on my car.
We appreciate the feedback and your interest! We will be sure to keep the community updated regarding heat concerns.
I've got question
What about factory OEM oil dipstick measurements? Any needs to manufacture a new scale or OEM will be able to read the amount of the oil level correctly?
The factory dipstick is still usable as is. It’s designed to tell you the “maximum” oil level in the engine based on protecting the oil from reaching too high up in the engine and contacting the crankshaft. We will have more oil volume at the same level at the dipstick, but we’re ultimately just trying to the oil reaching too high in the engine, so that’s not a problem.
@@900BRZ Thanks mate, seems like you are deep into the research & development. Donating to your engine swap was well worth it!
@@kajetanjaszczak7032 Cheers, thanks for the support!
I was about to put up for sale my loved GR86 just because I can' t almost enjoy driving anymore with her as I' m constantly worried about this issue, really frustrating...
But then I watched this video and it gives me some hope, I really want to keep my car and continue using it as my daily and for some track days...
I really wish this works out well, best of luck with this project!
Thanks, we're trying.
I’m just waiting, I’ll purchase one as soon as they hit the market forsure
Make sure you have emailed us to get put on the email list for the pan! sales@verus-engineering.com
@@VerusEngineeringI just sent the email. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction
Thank you for what you guys do for us car enthusiasts, can’t wait for you guys to mass produce this oil pan, this looks like a really good approach 🔥🔥🔥
We're working towards it. Thank you!
Nice work, I didn't expect to see a two piece machined prototype just a few weeks after the initial update.
This project has been going on for years.
this is awesome! thank you for putting in all the time and work to make this! stoked to see the end result
We are too. Thanks for following along!
It would be nice if it's able to retain the header heat shield while having a bit lesser oil capacity. Because i am a daily driver, most of the time could be in a slow moving heavy traffic or caught in a standstill traffic. A lot of heat generated could quickly get trapped inside engine bay and potentially heating up the oil pan too. Compare to car on the move or in track where airflow will help to dissipate heat as per said air barrier.
We'll see what we can do but this is directed at track guys specifically!
@@VerusEngineering thank you so much and highly appreciate what Verus Engineering has done here for the community. it would very nice if there is another version for us daily driver that would go on track occasionally, at least with this solution we could have a little peace of mind going onto track too. thanks again
Looks like a Gen2 86 is back on my list of future track cars!
Keep the 86 alive!
So excited for this! Thank you guys for your dedication 🙌🏽
Thank you for the kind words!
You guys should make a proper gasket for the oil pan too, that way there is no need to apply silicone and nun that would get in the oil pickup tube
This was going to be my comment. It would be very nice to eliminate the rtv all together.
If you take a look at the engine block, the actual sealing surface due to casting is quite small. We wanted to do something like that but felt it best to keep it OEM-esque in this regard as having a pan that continually leaks is quite frustrating. It's not a nice flange on the engine side of things. Sorry.
Great work , thank you Verus peeps
Thanks for you continued support!
Buying one the moment y'all release consumer versions!
Doing our best to get these out there ASAP.
@@VerusEngineeringdo you guys have a rough ETA when they’ll be available?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to the finished product.
You're welcome and thank you for following along!
Hi Verus Team, thank you for the update! I have a Borla V2 Catless UEL I could lend for a month or so; located in CA though..
You can send us an email if you are interested!
Love it. Thanks so much for what you guys are doing. May get me to purchase another gr86 since my ‘22 is toast. RIP.
Thank you and we greatly appreciate the nice comment. Sorry about your '22. Was it a BRZ?
Would love to see the second piece that you weld on be bolt on. Being able to easily open the pan would be fantastic. Route a chanel in it so it can hold a big o ring
would love to see a pan that could fit the JDL catted UEL headers, but damn this is sick. just bought a set of yalls jack pucks to fit on my ZD8.
Appreciate it! We'll see what we can do.
The JDL header is one of the best headers for the platform for the price. Would absolutely love to have this for one of those
Second that! Here’s hoping Jesse from JDL sends Verus some scans or headers for testing. I too have the JDL catted UEL. From looking at my setup, the JDL header creates more room than stock. Stock is V-shaped around the pan, and UEL is more boxy. Either this pan fits as is, or significantly more capacity can be had with a design specific to UEL.
@@jumboshirmp would love to see a list come out of what headers ppl can fit around this pan once it makes production. would be dope if the JDL’s boxy shape can actually accommodate it
That pan is beautiful !
Thank you!
After you validate its results, I'd be one of the first in line for these. Best, J
Sounds good!
Awesome work! I'm looking forward to seeing test data!
The real MVPS! I am currently in South America on vacation, when is the deadline to send you guys a header? I would love to run something like this with a UEL JDL catted header so I can stay legal and get that rumble.
No deadline, just hit us up when you have time.
I traded my 987.2 Cayman for a new BRZ today. I'll order a finished product as well. I found 900BRZ's videos on this last year.
Sounds good
I'd definitely buy one if it can be used in a daily driver without heat concerns. Cheers from the United Arab Emirates.
We have no reason to believe it would cause any issues.
Thanks for the update! Awesome work you guys are doing to help all of us!
Where do this FA20 guys fit into all this? Do you anticipate the end product to work for the FA20 owners?
You're welcome. Thank you.
We may work on an FA20 pan after the responses we have seen. Seems like most of the FA20 guys want something similar.
@@VerusEngineering Thank you! #fa20guysneedlovetoo 🤣
Out of curiousity, why was the extra 1.3L size chosen? I hear that only an extra 0.5-1.0L is needed(unless my understanding is wrong). Could it be possible to make it only 1.0L larger instead and make the pan sit just a tad further away from the exhaust manifold and possibly with the heat shield in place?
Maybe you could add some cooling fins while your at it.(although not that necessary since oil coolers exist)
Edit: Some cars some pass smog tests if the heat shield is removed. The heat shield assists the cat to heat up to its effective heat range quicker from a cold start. So just consider that when aiming for those that have to comply with CARB, myself included.
> I hear that only an extra 0.5-1.0L is needed
People are still experiencing pressure drops with 1.0L overfills. The version that I tested had around 1L of extra capacity and I overfilled and there was still a little room for improvement, so Verus pushed a little harder.
We maximized the available area. There is no reason beyond that.
If we leave the heat shield in place, we would be taking a massive area out of the pan, unfortunately. The heat shield is huge.
Maybe their is a way to cut the heat shield where the pan is at and leave it on the outside to pass CARB and run the pan? Are inspectors taking off the underbody panels too now?
@@VerusEngineering I wonder what the total oil capacity of the pan would be if the heat shield was left in place? Do you guys know this figure?
Really want to know when approximately I can place the order for this amazing oil pan and baffle, can’t wait to install it and no longer need to worry about the oil starvation for any right turn on track.
Send us an email, we have a list! Lol
Thank you guys for you job... Im looking for ordering one 🙏💯
Sounds good, thank you!
Air gap is a great thermal insulator.
Leave the oil pan a two-piece design. A one-piece pan will be a cleaning problem for the inevitable rod knock and bearing debris inside an intricate part. Will be much easier to clean a two-piece pan and guarantee cleanliness to the customer.
Eventually, casting a two-piece pan will also be easier than a one-piece pan with internal details.
Rubber flaps are successfully used in various applications, introduced by Cosworth to the Subaru world some 15 years ago, and now used by IAG and Torque Solutions in their products.
It will always have a removable baffle, but the pan itself will likely be cast in time.
Thanks for the feedback!
Look at actual tests of gold foil engine masters did a test and it actually increased heat transfer. A simple sheet metal shield did the best. The airspace is the key.
Thanks for the advice. We will keep it in mind.
hi may you please test fitment of different headers after the design is complete? just to see which popular headers are going to fit the pan? then you may advertise what headers are compatible with your pan when selling
We are working through it as best we can!
Great work! Lookin forward to the group data and production phase. Now who’s gonna scan a JDL UEL catted header for me pls!?
Question number three - does the increased oil volume, would be a negative for oil pump or it doesn't really matter? Would it support OEM stock oil plug & washer?
The goal is to always have oil available to the pump and, in this car, you need better engine oil return (expensive/complicated) or more oil (cheaper/simpler) in order to achieve that. There’s no downside to more oil volume and actually only upsides: with more oil volume you have more thermal mass to handle higher heat.
Looks sick. Can we get the option to order one pre-filled with RTV??? 💀
ahaha Thank you!
So, in the midwest, it's very easy to get 6-8 track days throughout the year just by scheduling them on cooler days, ambient temps between 60-70 degrees. I don't have an oil cooler and my oil temps stay between 255-265. Halfway through the session I'll do a cooldown lap to bring it down to 225-235, and that's been good enough.
Waterford Hills
Autobahn North and South
Grattan
Gingerman
M1 Concourse
Nelson Ledges
Probably would need a cooler for Road America though
With the factory heat exchanger, the oil temperature doesn't depend much on the ambient temperature. I had the same 260ish in 50°F ambient and 110°F ambient. That being said, the conventional wisdom is that at 260°F the oil pressure is too low for these engines unless you're running something like 10w-60
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Could you link the paper you mentioned? Sounds pretty interesting. Really nice pan by the way.
Unfortunately, we can't share it. It was something that was passed to us from Brian at 900BRZ and it's not ours to distribute.
Keep up the good work, and if you use youtube views as stats and by country you will know there's a community here in Australia waiting for you mass production release.
The RTV comment was gold...
🤣
Can’t wait to get one for my car😍
where can I follow the people who are testing this pan on their cars?
Also , I'm wondering if you set a date to reveal the testing data?
Thanks.
Not sure how to share that besides 900BRZ. No date set.
Why you don't make the snorkel/suction lower, when you have more volume?
Or is the volume only larger cause of the width?
In order to install a longer pickup tube, you would have to drop the entire engine to do so. We want to avoid dropping the engine for a simple pan install.
@@VerusEngineering Why you need a lower engine for a longer pickup tube, when you have more space.
Thank you
In order to get to the pickup tube, you have to remove the front cover. That does not sound very fun doing with the engine still in the car. Much easier to remove the engine.
@@VerusEngineering Ah my English was not good enough 😂
@@VerusEngineering ist it possible to make an adapter, to make the pickup tube longer
I'd love to test one on the FA20!
We may look into it after getting the responses we have from this video. We didn't realize the fa20 had issues as well.
@@VerusEngineering The FA-20 seems to exhibit more problems with drain-back than sloshing, but never the less still has prevalent oiling pit falls.
Is there gonna be some kind of group buy/pre order kind of thing for this product? I am 100% buying one as soon as it’s available just hoping and praying it fits the JDL UEL which I wanted to get down the road. That pesky torque dip nears ruins the car on the street.
We aren't there yet, but maybe?
Hello, can I just buy the pre-production pan for myself on my test vehicle?
Unfortunately, we do not have any available. Make sure to email us though, so that we can put you on our email list for updates regarding the pan. sales@verus-engineering.com
SME race header?
We have not confirmed.
@ big tick for sales from Australia if it fits as everyone here knows they are the best headers to buy.
Looks promising. Better this than a giant pressurized oil tank in the bay...
We agree! Accusumps, while great, don't seem to be a great option for most.
Thank you
No. thank you!
When do you think this will be available for the public to order?
Send us an email and we'll update you when it is.
Wants to know if you guys need an HKS header. Also curious if you can add an oil return for turbo
You can email us if you'd like to send it in. We may, not sure yet!
What makes you guys to continue to develop the pan?
To my understanding, I thought that Brian's pan can fit most of the aftermarket headers?
Why not add a longer pickup tube to compliment the slightly larger pan?
What if this fixes it?
We would love to but you'd have to pull the entire front cover to get to the pickup. We believe that most owners would not want to do that amount of work vs just a pan swap.
@@VerusEngineering Fair enough, might not be economically feasible for the majority.
Thank you for spear heading a different solution. May your results bear a fruitful outcome.
Why are you still using the OEM pickup tube?
We would have to drop the engine or pull the front cover to replace the pickup tube.
Hmmm...What about turbo guys? Is fitment even possible? If so, can the pan have a bung for oil return?
Possibly, not sure which heads will and won't work yet. We can add a bung for turbo guys without much issue currently.
Is this compatible with the VB WRX as well?
We have not tested it on our VB but it's unlikely.
Would love to know if this pan is compatible with the HKS headers? Thanks and great work .
We have a video coming out tomorrow that will demonstrate some information regarding this!
@@VerusEngineering Legends! Can’t wait.
I hope everything goes well
Please let me know availability ASAP!!!
We appreciate it!
I'm intriguing to know if the oil level with these that sits in the engine (NOT capacity) is the same as stock level? I want to see an improvement without 'gaming the system' as such.
I'm not sure what you mean by that? We do not plan on overfilling the oil level and the lower pan itself holds well over a liter more fluid.
@@VerusEngineering this is exactly what i was asking. Is it still at oem level and not artificially raising the level to make it look better than it is as such .
We will be doing testing at OE fill level (top of dipstick).
@@VerusEngineering looking forward to the results. A fantastic car held back by the oem pan. Good luck VE !!! (I'm also secretly hoping this will be compatible with the VB WRX.
Hi guys. I would love to do 3D scan of my HKS header, but have just an iPhone or iPad with LiDAR… is that anything near enough? 👀😬
From our experience, that will not be enough.
Will you sell the baffle separately and will the baffle work on all FA’s?
Baffle is specific to this pan and this engine. It won't fit on a stock FA24 pan either.
Jdl uel. As I will be turbocharging the 86
We believe it will work, but not sure about the turbo kit.
JDL EL header!
Glad they included that high R-value air insulation…. 😐
any updates?
No further updates to share.
So that oil pan can’t use other baffle pan?
Not to our knowledge. From all the testing 900BRZ has done, the baffles on the market don't seem to do much.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🔥
Thanks!
Any FA20 compatibility?
Not yet, but we may look into it as a result.
What’s the ETA on this pan?!
Unfortunately, we currently do not have a solid ETA to offer. It will be available sometime in 2025. If you haven't emailed us to get put on the email list, we highly advise doing so. That way you can stay up to date on the process of the pan.
Would this fit the FA24 in the WRX VB 2022?
We do not think so but we have not test fit it on our VB yet.
@@VerusEngineeringwe need this for the VB
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You're welcome!
Will that fit HKS header?
I’d like to know as well. The new HKS EL catt’d header has a similar design to oem & should be legal in all states.
Will this fit my Honda
The down side up makes it easier to see the engine cooling problems of a flat engine ie, look how close the exhaust headers are to the sump, only a bees dick away. Therefore , of cause the oil is a heat sink and accumulates heat fro the engine . This part however is a big step towards sorting these engines out . ❤️🇦🇺👍
Thanks for the comment! We appreciate it.
Can you please summarise the work needs to be done in order to install it on a stock car? Eg anything else apart from removing heat shield?
Headers will need to be removed.
Do you see any potential drawbacks of the design you can think of? I'm not criticising by any means, just wonder if, except the heat, mitigated by oil cooler, there might be any potential issue whatsoever, that is invisible to normal John.
Cheers and looking forward :)
If anyone can crack it, it would be yall 🎉
We appreciate it, Brandon!
That.... Looks really expensive. 😢 Like, why not just make a dry sump kit expensive.
How much are most dry sump systems? How much added complexity are dry sumps? Most dry sumps are multiple 1000's from our experiences and add quite a bit of complexity. Keep it simple?
I want clearance for the classic Ace 350 headers. Otherwise known as the header with the most area under curve, and the header with the largest primary runners.
Can I send money yet?
How about now?😂
Not quite yet, but if you are on the email list, we will reach out as soon as we have more info to share.
Porsche figured it out by adding a very expensive dry sump to their cars. Subaru can't charge $60k+ for their vehicles, so they can't justify developing that.
Agreed, but not all Porsche's have dry sumps... they figured it out other ways. But agreed, the costs are quite different.