What's With This WEIRD Russian CPU? (Elbrus)
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Наука
Ah yes, the cpu that curses at you and calls you a debil if you overclock it too far.
vadim blyat
Vodka-cooled
@@madhusudhan4672 but komrade kat artyom protect sosig for the motherland
Wherre is our motherlandr so our computerr can worrk?
sannidhya balkote I speak Russian fluently but I didn’t understand quite all words
Intel : add extra plus to 14nm
AMD : you should move to 7nm
Russian : blyat, 28nm is fine
I am from Russia and I can tell that better way will be to say "pohui, 28nm is fine", which means "I dont give a f**k, 28nm is better"
Behind the jokes, 28nm is really fine for a number of scenarios
Me: laughs because nm don't matter anyway, even 800nm CPU's had no clue between nm and actual size of transistors
@Keira Errinwright никогда :)
They're actually workin on new CPU, using 16nm process
@Keira Errinwright никогда. В конституции так написано
Fun fact - one of the core architects of early Elbrus computers, Vladimir Pentkovski, worked at Intel in the 90s and led the development of Pentium 3.
He might've worked on PIII project but leading it? No
vladdx aren’t you getting it? PENTium, PENTkovsky. And in early 00s Intel bought almost entire MCST team and released Itanium. A VLIW server CPU. But the rest of the team managed to survive and to build modern Elbruses. And Itanium is now dead, but Elbrus will have a nice future.
@@sergeyd2199 Umm what, are you claimiing now that he also lead the development of Pentium I? That's just dumb
@@sergeyd2199 The Pentium name is likely a lucky coincidence. The original "586" development started in the 80s, way before Pentkovsky would have a chance to work on it in any capacity, let alone have the whole product named after himself.
@@vladdx Pentkovsky joined Intel before Intel released the first Pentium. It is enough to compare the architecture of the Pentium with the Elbrus-type processors created in the eighties to understand that the Pentium was not developed in the USA.
1:01 "The Russian government has Put in..." indeed they do
Ha! I love this comment
Blyat, throw this man to the Gulag for insulting The President.
Сомяаь
and our government does likewise with our chips.
Yeah, f in chat
Mount Elbrus (Эльбрус) is the highest peak in Russia, a part of the Caucasus mountain range, in case you were wondering what the CPU is named after.
Actually smart name
Nick Sky peak performance
Is it named for its PEAK performance? :]
Lucas Thompson underrated
Even highest peak in europe!
*When you realize it can't be our CPU because it is only sold in Russia*
i see what you did there comrade
@@samiromiroma156 I did not.
came with non removable spyware....
Да
@@samiromiroma156 we did
I bet the Russians will have 7nm before intel does
Oooof
Russia doesn't even have 28nm. Production of this things is outsourced to China.
Skudnoff that’s the joke
Damn bro u killed him
@@RomanSkudnov Yes, praise China. Russia is soooo bad for not having 28 nm chip manufacturing.
0:52 This is the most cringe way of installing a CPU. Look at how much pressure is used. I hope that's stock footage and not actually filmed by someone at LMG.
dennis
@@webbie7503 I seriously hope nobody thinks you're being serious.
@@webbie7503 its like bigger surface area more computing absorbtion!
It is a bit funny that not only did that make me squirm but immediately looked for a comment like this.
They used that clip on purpose, i bet my soul.
Me: Can I use this computer?
Employee: Sorry, its out of order.
Me: Can't it do some out of order processing?
👏👏👏👏👏
This is a good point you are making.
Brilliant
that's smart
use clouds based on elbrus
Russians in 4 years: 7nm processors.
Meanwhile Intel: 14nm+++++++++++++++++++
Knowing Intel. It will be prob the other way around
@@magadadaskolin4667 Knowing that crystals in Elbrus produce TSMC (as well as for AMD), nothing prevents them from starting to produce 7nm Elbrus. As opposed to Intel.
@@EG_John Btw intel bought 7nm crystals from tsmc
Да, 7 нм через 4 года на мощностях TMSC, с 2028 на своих собственных.
Deny DA Ok
As far as I know Elbrus is a very respected "brand" name in computing in Russia, first as a successor to the massively successful soviet BESM-6 supercomputer in the early 70's. The BESM-6 was actually the first super-scalar implementation in the world, and the Elbrus ported the design from discrete logic to a more modern modular approach. We're talking 20 years earlier than when Intel issued its first super-scalar micro, the Pentium. Well of course, in the 70's it was all rows of cabinets instead of a single microprocessor, but still impressive. In computing, Russia is a shadow of its former self, but I wouldn't dismiss the competition as ridiculous in the near future.
BESM-6 was pipelined, but not superscalar. Elbrus-1 was though.
It was actually a Cold War fear of NATO that Russia would dominate in computer technology, this led to a concerted national security strategy to boost our own development while bluffing to the USSR that we had made some magical shit (like Star Wars) and get them to spend themselves into collapse chasing ghosts instead of letting them focus their resources on maintaining parity with us.
Well done, bravo comrade, if is so or not, now can’t be counting, is just history, I might say a very hide history, no ones knows that.
Also you did not manage to have an Bill Gates to gain something called a software, all the best processor are for nothing without soft.
@mshigorin murder or not murder, he was the CEO of one of most important (very very important I might say) company in the world, if we are not agree or mostly Western peoples disagree this is another theme or discoussion.I wish my country to have someone like him, even was evil or how you call.
Many of you not realize trully what freedom you have and money can make freely, also speak freeely, althought nothing is fair in this world, try some Russian friends to see how much “freedom” they give to you. Bye
@@entropy_of_principles Bro what are you talking about? "Freedom" in the west lol. You know that youtube secretly deletes comments it doesn't like, right? And you know how hard it is to make a decent living out here in the west? Just go and make your own country better and don't think it's paradise in here.
Трава всегда зеленее на другой стороне забора.
CPU:
*_C_* ommunist
*_P_* arty of the
*_U_* SSR
Забавно. :)
Fact
Comrade’s Processing Unit
lol
@@shaggyone5883 oh my God ROFL! :D
That early clip of someone pressing onto that ryzen CPU while installing it, triggered my OCD.
Came here for this comment
@Nicefisher because it was too rough, supposed to be gentle
@Nicefisher AMD CPUs have pins on the bottom that fit into the holes in the socket, so if you press down on it and it's misaligned you can bend the pins and destroy the CPU
the fingerprint on there, forever cemented into my memory
@@Sammie1053 Which is also the reason why Intel has moved the pins to the board, since boards tend to be cheaper than CPUs.
Some say that instead of *beep* those motherboards *blyat*
spizdanul like a god!
right click is for cheeki and left one - for breeki
It is good to see VLIW getting made. With the correct compiler, you can outperform CISC and RISC.
Ahhh
It's time to end ISC's dichotomy
VLIW for the winners
@@beezanteeum It wouldn't work this way because VLIW can architectures can have either reduced or complex set of instructions. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
"correct compiler" is an equivalent of ideal gas - does not exist in reality :)
@@mojevalkaexactly. All VLIW processors of the past had failed just because of very complex programming
Intel 2030: HAHA we have 10nm now.
MCST 2030:Ivan, davai release 5nm.
AMD 2030: Y'all still using nm to measure?
AMD does not make any nm, this are made by TSMC.
The nm measurement is useless, they should replace it by MT/mm^2 or GT/mm^2. As soon as 3D stacking is common the nm will be even more useless as it is already now.
@@happygimp0 3D stack vs Graphen
@@happygimp0 What's useless about it?
@@happygimp0 here is our fanboy, as if intel's chip wan't made by GF, and now moved to samsung foundry!
and TF about "nm measurement is useless"? Learning from youtube doesn't make you an expert!
The main power consumption and ipc comes from transistor contacts ( "nm measurement"), that is movement of data! shrinking transistor size reduces the heating, that is increasing clock speed, but grossly over-simplifying we are at a limit at clock speed with fin-fet! and from comparison with amd chips and intel's best at same clock speed, amd mops the floor with intel! "nm measurement" is all that matter atm, since shrinking transistors is very unreliable! as per 3D stacking,it also faces the same thing, its just stacking and "nm measurement" matter more there, because clock speed will be lower!
Stop spreading stupid logics listening to stupid youtubers!
Ivan is urod
3:48 gross, who eats borscht cold?
and that's not even a russian dish
Cold borscht is a separate dish, and it's damn good
I hate borsh
Who eats borscht period?
Other than the calorically (that broke my spell checker) desperate, that is.
@@EthelredHardrede-nz8yv People who like it eat it, like me. I love both the hot and the cold version of borsh.
TechTechPotato approved 👌
Why is this not heart-marked yet?
Elbrus PC Test ruclips.net/video/buWzWtXHimk/видео.html
Фигасе, не думал что тут когда либо про Эльбрус напишут
Дык проц-то нормальный и дорабатывают его таки довольно ударными темпами, в обозримом будущем он будет на равных тягаться с основными мировыми производителями процессоров.
Ρωσομπλιατ
Матвей Андриенко indeed
Главное чтобы про БАЙКАЛ не узнали
Приятно удивлён, что LTT узнали и рассказали про Эльбрус.
next day: so we got our hands on this new mysterious CPU
day later: this mysterious CPU got its hand on our data
Exactly! OUR data
@@Its_Danny- *SOVIET ANTHEM STARTS PLAYING*
American CPUs have already got their hands on your data.
Some developers from the MCST have moved to the United States for more than 25 years and work at Intel. Actually, Intel received some technologies along with them.
In fact, the fact that the MCST exists at all is a real miracle, so many troubles they had to go through in the 90s. Thank God that in 2000, the political leadership in Russia was replaced by an adequate one and began to slowly restore competence. As for Elbrus ,there is still a lot of work to be done there.
By the way, as for data theft, the Elbrus platform is designed to maximize the protection of your computer from information attacks.
Alright, where's Boris?
I will be your Boris for the evening, дружище.
Peeling potatoes
Хаха +
Peeling potatoes like a debil for 1 hour
Cooking kvass with a chainsaw probably
All this security and the system will be broken into because somebody left their password on a post it note on the monitor.
The user is the biggest flaw when it comes to security. Of course, a box that you can't interact with isn't the most useful thing.
Password issue is common for any security, but Elbrus platform is developed to prevent backdoors integrated into hardware.
This is actually kinda true, people often blame their system when they got hacked, when it's actually their fault (downloading spyware, not recognising phishing).
But in Russia people use the CryptoPRO-CSP-RUTOKEN-thumbdrive to log in. So you have to physically steal someone's keychain as well as his password.
@@praetorrus Uhh yeah keep telling yourself that. If hackers are motivated to hack an Elberus based system, they'll find a vulnerability in no time flat.
Considering how 99% hw flaw related attacks require physical access to the device in question, hardware security related concerns are vastly overblown anyways. Now when it comes to software vulnerabilities, more difficult programming typically leads to more sloppy programming which leads to more vulnerabilities, so good luck there. I can't help but feel this move by the Russian government will lead them being far less secure than before they started using these in house chips.
@@wakannnai1 You totally missed my point and trying to argue with something I never said. Once again- the main goal for Elbrus is to create a Russian based platform that is safe from hardware integrated backdoors, that exists in AMD/Intel systems (some are known, some may be still undetected). Of course it doesn't make Elbrus platform unhackable neither in software nor in hardware realms. Russia needs this platform for multiple critical systems that has to be 100% under sovereign control like: smart military systems, security/intelligence related platforms, massive data storages etc. Also, Elbrus is not something new, these processors family exists for several decades already and evolving. Performance wise it's about 10 years behind modern Intel/AMD systems, but it doesn't matter much for the niche they are used in.
With all those already known backdoors in Intel CPUs no wonder Russians make their own processors.
3:50 "Cold bowl of borscht" - you truly are a monster
Who is here after Intel and Amd stopped sales in Russia
Yay, he pronounced "борщ" almost properly at the end of the video. Why cold though?.. :-D
Cold soups are better in the summer.
@@Cerebatonify not borsh tho, when it's cold it will have a layer of sticky fat on top, so you always want to eat it hot/warm
Its summer. :]
@@Cerebatonify and warm soups are better in the summer, because your body doesn't need to bring the soup up to body temperature. Cold things seem refreshing but actually aren't
I was also impressed.
Elbrus is developed in large part due to military applications. This CPU line is used in fifth generation fighter jet Su-57. Obviously a huge security positive.
What is the result of having slower processors in all of your military equipment though? When you come up against equipment that has way faster processors what is the result? Does processor speed in weapons systems translate to combat effectiveness? If it does then Russia is crippling their military. These chips will never be as fast as amd and Intel because they don't have the same market. When you don't need to compete on the world stage to sell your chips and make your money then you won't advance as fast. It is simply put not possible for them to match companies that don't have guaranteed government purchases as their main customer. They don't have the same incentive to advance when they are guaranteed to make those government sells they survive on. This will make Russian military tech weaker for the foreseeable future if processor speed does translate to military effectiveness. I don't see how it possibly couldn't though. When milliseconds make the difference in combat and they are always much slower it would make a large difference in effectiveness. The question is are the backdoors worth having equal processing speed or is it worth avoiding those backdoor but having to always be slower.
@@domnoya4130 No processor speed dos not directly impact combat effectiveness, because they are already fast enough, TBH specially computer chips like FPGA or even ASIC can do the job hundreds of time better than general purpose CPU, since these CPUs were made to handle more complex software (multitasking) multi devices connecting to it, BTW even if they need almost real time aviation reaction for missile/drones etc. they still can do it with Analog computer since they are the fastest can do the task without single clock delay (one clock do the task on the speed of light )
@@domnoya4130 they are not slow. In fact, are faster, then the modern x86 arch processors, because of their architecture.
@@iarde3422 Everyone is doing RISC processors, because they have been proven to be signifficantly faster. But no, russian trolls know how sh*t works, sure...
Su-57 is fifth generation only on the paper. It is not even 4++ generation.
Cold. Borsch.
You have no heart, comrade.
0:52 feeling uncomfortable
Intel's Itanium is another VLIW processor, which was inherited from HP's EPIC architecture. Transmeta's Crusoe is another VLIW processor.
TI DSPs as well
VLIW are a bit cheaper as well to design because it moves a lot of the logic for scheduling instructions into the compiler instead of the hardware. I don't think they ever overcame that compiler problem in Intel/HP case in regards to performance.
The original version of that Russian chip was actually an improved Itanium clone.😅
Ironically, Intel responded by stealing the Russian staff that managed accomplish that feat😅
@@tylerdurden3722 So the Russians have managed to make a decent CPU out of the wreck that is the Itanic!
Not surprised. I've read that China's Sunway architecture started as a reverse-engineered version of Alpha, which Intel bought and then killed so Itanic wouldn't have any competition. Then AMD said, "hold my beer while I make x86-64..."
@@tylerdurden3722 You get it wrong, it is Itanium that was "a clone" of original Elbrus. Intel bout whole russian team that were developing it.
After decades of only having the choice really between Intel/AMD x86, PPC and lately ARM, I find it fascinating to see those other big countries pulling off their own architectures.
Russia does not competes in the microprocessor market. Try buying an Elbrus laptop.
@@alexmarrero2 it's available now.
@@alexmarrero2 You can do it. Cost higher than full chinese junk obviously, but it is available
Also mountain Elbrus (Эльбрус) not just the highest peak of Russia,it has two heads one 5,642, and other 5,621.
Also this mountain is dead volcano. So it is great name for CPU!
P.S This CPU's made for special operating systems,that don't have heavy apps and games,and was created with security and reliability in mind.
By the way, games on Elbrus work fine if you recompile their sources. And in terms of gaming performance, they are quite comparable to the same-year-olds from Intel.
0:54 WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU DOING?!?!!
ZERO INSERTION FORCE!
That hurts
It should drop right in god dammit! A bit more pressure and the pins would have been totally destroyed.
@@Legend-cv2zp not if they were all in the right places. you have to push it down a bit of course being very gentle
They took the guy from The Verge
that's what she said; don't force it, let it slide in gently
Developing your own technology is the wisest thing to do right now. Main powers’ tech is robust but the dependency to it is brittle as crystal.
I want to note that Penkovsky, the one that Intel made PENTIUM, initially worked with Elbrus.
Elbrus performs 25 operations per clock cycle. at a low frequency of just 800mhz, it easily approaches the first generation i5.
Only Pentium III, actually. Despite the name similarity, Pentium I and II were not developed by Pentkovsky's team.
Now a lot has changed. ELBRUS has done a lot and the performance is increased many times!
ruclips.net/video/GVzGqchIHgE/видео.html
Кто тут после интервью Стаса?
Next video on Linus Tech Tips : We drop........uhm..... got our hands on a mystery Russian CPU
Can you explain GPU cores (Cuda, Tensor, etc.) as fast as possible?
That would be nice to know, seconded
I third this
I fourth this
I fifth this
And an explanation of what cores do what better. Which is best for gaming, video rendering and computational math stuff. (Folding at Home)
0:53 my heart stop beating when he pressed the cpu down the sockets.
Keep you heart save, some times they have to use a hummer for that
The feeling when you worked in the production of microelectronics, and then watch this video on English-language RUclips. Greetings from Zelenograd)
3:47 That's regular borsch. Cold borsch is Lithuanian dish made from other ingredients and looks way different)
Thank you!!! Finally, a fellow weird pink soup lover here!!!!
Cold borsch is a borsch that was cooled. There is no reason to over-complicate things.
Sweet pizza is a pie.
Šaltibarščiai!!
@@Vladimir_Kv Well then it's cooled/chilled borsch. And who eats this type of borsch chilled? It's disguisting
We call it "coldborsch". It is not boiled soup, made from pickled beetroot and kefir
Me: "My computer runs so well-"
Russia: "Our computer"
The west is becoming more communist these days then Russia is today.
Not "ours" anymore. "His", if you know who am I talking about.
Me: "My computer runs so well-"
Intel ME: "Our computer"
There’s no communism in Russia (just in case)
@@denissmith7671 there is no communism anywhere except the Star Trek TV show.
Independence is a must in a free world...
As a Russian speaking guy I want to correct you. *PLZ hear me out.* You got some the reasons "why" wrong. And you got some of the pros and cons wrong.
One main difference between x86 and Elbrus is that Elbrus does not have technologies like SMT, or microcode that's susceptible to the "spectre"-like attacks. On Intel and AMD the microcode decides *how* to perform a certain task, what instruction-set-extensions to engage, etc. On Elbrus that task is fulfilled by the compiler. And this is the result:
1) You cannot perform a spectre attack or microcode that doesn't exist.
2) You cannot put "your own" backdoors in microcode that doesn't exist.
3) Since the compiler decides HOW a program executes, you'll be sure your program will perform the same way each and every time. That's good for predictability and reliability.
4) X86 programs aren't optimised for Elbrus; I mean normal x86 compilers aren't designed to do the low level stuff, because on Intel that's done by the microcode. So when running X86 on Elbrus you don't just lose 20%, but you also don't run in the most effective working order.
5) Programming for Elbrus natively isn't much harder than programming for regular x86 Linux, the compiler does the heavy lifting. The special Elbrus compiler doesn't support all program languages. If you program in plain C++ or python then it will be easy, if you use a more exotic programming language then you have to look out and check for compatibility.
>>>Here is the reason why they do it this way: In Russia there is a bit of an abundance of software developers (compared to other countries). It's easier to find software developers than to find hardware developers. That's why it makes sense to hand over some of the tasks (that others do in hardware) to the Software department of Elbrus.
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And then memory management is done differently, is has more isolated memory stacks, memory access is more restricted; this prevents memory leaks and buffer overflows from happening.
Sorry, I forgot the scientific term for this memory-technology.
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Programming in OpenCL or CUDA is also very different from X86 programming, and not many programs are made using it, I mean no-one will make something like mspaint or office in OpenCL. But there are still enough devs that need parallelism and that go to through the hassle and learn OpenCL (Same with CUDA).
Developing for an Elbrus CPU is still very CPU-like, because actually it is a CPU, just a more parallel one. I mean it's less scary than developing GPGPU-stuff.
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I got all this information mostly from interviews and speeches of the deputy CEO of MCST.
Spectre is not a vulnerability in microcode, i tis a bug in the hardware, or how transistors are connected. Microcode can be used to make some workarounds.
Sorry to say that, but you do not understand much about low level software design or hardware.
@@happygimp0 If that were true, then why did Intel publish microcode and bios updates to combat Spectre+Meltdown??? Facepalm.
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I do understand low level software design and how CPUs work.
These so called "hardware" attacks involve speculative execution, or simply put: the CPU trying to guess what instructions to do next. And what decision are made by the CPU are based what program you're running. That's totally NOT a process hardwired in "how transistors are connected".
They called it a hardware attack because it's something inside the CPU. The CPU ships with microcode, legally it's part of the CPU. It's a piece of software preprogrammed inside of hardware. Journalists called it a hardware attack to not load up it's readers with to many details.
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If you know more about CPU design than me, and you disagree, then please argue in scientific terms. *Prove what YOU know* instead of saying I don't understand it.
@@happygimp0 The most important problem of all "perfect" systems created by mankind is the imperfection of their creators!
О че там в видео грится? Типо с эльбрусами всё так плохо или что? Просто если это так, то Американский техноблогинг видимо в полной жoпe, раз они не могут даже факты нормальные нарыть и не разбираются в железе на нужном уровне, чтобы о нём говорить.
There is a certain amount of logic to this. If the CPU is tightly controlled and hard to develop for, it'll be harder for foreign hackers to write code for it. China and Russia may be on to something there and I would hope the US would be looking to find a way to do something similar for it's most sensitive and critical of systems.
they've been doing that. the nuke controls are designed in the 70s, most of the people who have a clue how to work with them have been dead for a while. they dont have any standard ports to hack into, and are buried in the bottom of a military base
@@bradhaines3142 Wouldn't be surprised if most nuclear related systems in Russia are not even digital :) Even more difficult to hack into. Drawback: requires more personnel.
jur4x most military grade critical digital stuff in russia is vacuum tube based, because tubes can withstand EMP from nukes, while the IC’s cannot.
US keeps very important systems offline. You would need special clearance to even be remotely close to something like a nuclear silo and that takes a long time to get. Keeping things offline is the best safety net.
afaik the cpu used mainly for military purposes, on-board computers in military aircrafts or other control systems, cruise missiles etc
VLIW moves instruction ordering from the processor to the software compiler, which becomes responsible for parallel execution. Processor becomes simpler, more predictable and easier to understand. It’s a very cool technology in theory, but kind of presumes you re-compile for each VLIW variant (or jit interpret x86). It will probably never become mainstream; RISC and CISC where the CPU instruction layer hides hardware variances seems much easier to distribute pre-built OS/application binaries for. but I’m kind of happy to hear it’s still alive in Russian server space.
0:51 *screams in agony over the way the person in the stock footage installs the cpu*
0:53 has to be one of the most painful CPU installations I have seen on the internet.
2:56 3 RAM slots? This hurts my eyes
Prob a propriatery motherboard.
And do I see a Compact Flash Reader on the top left of it?
DDR3? PCIe 1.0?
My best guess is a proprietary server board.
I guess it has a single memory channel
I enjoyed this a lot. It's good to see what other countries are doing. Plus other companies can follow and create their own versions of these CPUS. Good bit of info.
The funny thing is that the 28nm chips are imported because of fabless manufacturing. On their own, Russia can only make _90nm_ chips. And, looking at how things are right now, they're gonna be stuck with those for a while.
In 1994 in Russia we had our own 8086 clone and it was very good, i had all made in Russiancomputer on 8086 called MS1502
They also have "Baikal" brend CPU's. It's based on ARM, and company much younger than MCST.
How about yadro didn't they buy some chip company
Once they invade Ukraine, perhaps new sanctions will stop the Russian from licensing ARM microprocessors.
@@05tsamra Yadro have nothing Russian unfortunately(((
It’s sponsored by western companies and use open source.
0:20 Ц is ț (ț is tz in one letter) though MCST is the English acronym
It's been 20 years since it's not acronym anymore.
Kudos on pronouncing borsch correctly, without the T.
Acc to wikipedia, a major bank in Russia was offered to switch to Elbrus and it didn't work out.
It was found that it was unreliable.
A video on the history of russian and before that USSR processors could be interesting. Still have some old calculators lying around (no CPUs for obvious reasons) and it would be rather interesting to find out what sets them apart from their western counterparts at the time.
Nearly every bit of USSR technology, industry, and production post 1950 was Italian.
Soon after switching to transistor technology, almost every single one of "tech attempts" was actually a reverse engineering. Just as modern Chinese experiments.
EZ
KR580VM80a is intel 8080
KR1810VM86 is intel 8086
T34VM1 is Z80
80286 was to advanced to copy, so no soviet knockoffs here.
Most notable difference is that communist DIP package had 2.5 mm lead pitch instead of international 0.1 inch.
Oh man, please get your hands on one, and make a review on it!
Then huilo will get his hairy hands on him unfortunately
@@ArthurD and so, let me clarify, the huilo is your face?
0:53 Didn’t know that LTT hires Verge employees now.
The MCST info graphic makes reference to SPARC architecture. I wonder if it shares any commonality with the old Sun Microsystems workstations. Perhaps they acquired some of the IP when Sun went bust. Another thing not mentioned here is with it being a different architecture it will be inherently immune to many kinds of malware for the same reason Window malware could not run on the old PowerPC Mac.
The MCST produces two lines of processors, one with Elbrus architecture, the second with SPARC.
0:50 let's play a game, how many pins do you think he manage to bend?
I think all of them
Ps for ryzen you have to lift the retention arm all the way and not press on it
The arm was lifted tho
Lol
@@300ml_brasil gotta hold it slightly more than what it stays up on its own
@@RhysVRhysV true
Cold borsch?
Uhh, weird
Not really it’s a summer soup and it helps cool you down during high heat and humidity when it gets +40c or 100f in Russia
@@peterrusanoff1010 Fuck no, try okroshka instead. Borsch should be hot
@@wthoutanymmries oh kroshka
You may laugh on its technical weakness, but it is nessesary for such countries with nuclear bombs to rely on its own hardware. Wish we can have the same in Poland. We already produce very nice and affordable SSD GoodRam
It's not technically weak. It's, actually, technically superior to x86 architecture.
If you have the memory to store the programs and the bus width needed, all other things equal VLIL produces a much faster processor. Out of order execution is not needed in the chip because the exact timing can be worked out at compile time. The compiler is harder to write and more complex but you compile far less often than you run a program so there is a huge net savings.
3:47 you NEVER should eat cold borsch
But there are cold borscht's granted I will never eat borscht of any kind ever again, used to have that shoveled in me as a kid
It's called svekolnik. So you can
No idea were English speaking people get that last "t" from 😅
Game play on Elbrus 8C:
ruclips.net/video/Ec16tAqCSMA/видео.html - War Thunder
ruclips.net/video/RwpCcX_bMLs/видео.html - CRSED: F.O.A.D.
ruclips.net/video/jrXynUA2tXE/видео.html - Enlisted
And then, the war happened.
Its good that Chip development aren't just exclusive for the western and Asian market..
3:50 hahahaha, that guy is about to ruin his experience with borsch
Even if my vodka frozen
I will bite it with my teeth
And my nuclear reactor
Operated by big bear
0:53, hurts my soul
????
forcing the cpu like that
A light wiggle is all that's necessary but those pins got plopped 😪
I would not shame the russians for 28 nm. And that's why:
1. The russians will target these processors for military and spacecraft use. Ask what technological process the americans use for the same purposes. You will be surprised.
2. The second important goal of the russians is to transfer the computer park in government institutions to the domestic element base. For the office, these processors are also more than enough.
3. In the words of the russians, they “harness horses for a long time, but then go fast”. Ask how quickly the russians went from 90 nm to 28 nm. You will be surprised again. And they are already working on a 16nm processor.
4. The Russians are known for their cheap but damn effective solutions. I would take a closer look at what they are doing. Perhaps this will be the way out of the stagnation of computer performance.
@Hanako IsMyWaifu trolleys with diesel buses? Bullshit. They are replacing it with Электробус(Electric bus)
@Hanako IsMyWaifu trolleybuses strongly interfere with the movement of cars. I live in Moscow and see traffic jams every day. the bus is more maneuverable than the trolleybus and does not require electrical wires.
@@theVakhovske Технология Электрических Автобусов недоработана и по факту все Электробусы слили регионам. Один из таких попал к нам в Ростов и тот, буквально позавчера отправили на утилизацию из - за постоянных простоев.
@@gremirid Бля а у нас в Москве не знали. То-то я каждое утро на них уезжу.
The engineer who named the VILW was just tired of his bosses crap and wanted to go home early
😂
I, actually, think, that this acronym makes it easier to remember, what it stands for.
IS THIS CPU GONNA BE VODKA COOLED?THAT'S AWESOME!
Ask The Life Of Boris
iiiits boris !
@@fastpack6130 already following him
If it’s cold, then it’s not borsch, it calls "svekolnik" (beetroot soup)!
Completely different cooking techniques. If it's cold, it's a cold borscht.
Chłodnik
I thought you were going to talk about Baikal. (Байкал.) Elbrus is used by government, military, servers, etc. Baikal is more intended for consumers/developers and Baikal-T1 just got added to the Linux kernel.
And you didn't talk about Elbrus's Soviet past. I think it was used in the Buran space shuttle, which could fly itself without a pilot back in 1989! Soviet scienctists/engineers were incredible, but the government always got in their way. And Elbrus CPUs are used today in weapons systems like the S-400 surface to air missile, which is considered to be the best in the world.
Baikal is an ARM arch while Elbrus is truly original architecture.
@@maximchintalov8387 В каком смысле "the government always got in their way"? Без качественного и доступного образования и огромных бюджетов на разработку всего, что только можно, они бы никуда не уехали.
No, there are Linuxes built for Elbrus.
The best way to increase the speed on this one is to increase the FSB
;) clever
0:57 maybe PUT IN some backdoors of their own
In Soviet Russia your front door is good as well
@@user-cr3pj2nr4e Or window for that matter as you can see here:
ruclips.net/video/V62dKgoLnhU/видео.html
Да, сейчас бы борща навернуть =D
As always thanks for video.
Till now I didnt knew what special in that "Элбрус" CPU.
Linus: speaking off-
everyone: aight ima head out
One guy from MCST (he has a channel "Этот компьютер" on youtube) made Termoelectric cooler that actually works (he OCed his 9900k to 5.4Ghz on a z170 motherboard).
Why cold bowl of borsch? Heat it up and have fun. Amazing soup
pls dont call it soup, it is борщ.
and yes, hot борщ with sour cream = love
@@ivansergeev5564 Except that borsch IS soup, deal with it. So there is no reason to correct him.
Ohhh MCST... Babayan... Elbrus... I was involved in this then I was a student. Still have UltraSparc IIi from MCST.
На самом деле проблема со сложностью написания ПО существует на достаточно низком уровне, на котором сидят от силы 5% программистов. Остальные же пишут высокоуровневый код, который не имеет зависимости от процессора.
0:53 NOOOOOOOO!!!!
It will be fine stop worshipping components like they are the most precious things...
”Russia to get 1.5 terraflop supercomputer” - bruh my 1080 ti has 12.02
”Russia to get 1.5 terraflop cpu” *oh*
Vodka instead of silicon, and bears are dancing inside of it.
2:10 Mill computing would like a word with you on the efficiency of VLIW chips...
Эх, Борща бы навернуть )))
со сметаной?)
@@martinschulz1778 не, с солью
@@lofianorak8013 да с черным хлебом ;)
@@AniRayn щас американцы как закричат "расист" лол
Главное чтоб горячий был )
I literally just came from a video about putin and some cat standing up straight for russian anthem
@@mba849 ruclips.net/video/gLn3BOokmDU/видео.html
Oml same
Great idea... Keep technology in-house. Eventually they'll advance.
not anymore they won't haha
they're back to being China's dog now
0:58 " maybe even put in a few backdoors of their own..." are you serious?
i guess it's not only serious its even highly probable... so all the comrades can spy on the people who are forced to buy this cpu?
You must test this cpu on the linus tech tips channel!!!!!!
I would really like to see consumer microprocessor manufacturers from other countries, like germany, russia and japan. That way we would have proper competition.
There is ARM from England, which many manufacturers from all over the world use. NVIDIA was trying to buy ARM, but that deal may be dead. NVIDIA GPUs are also very impressive.
Thanks!
As a Russian I can say that no competion against Intel or AMD is planned. I have a server that runs MCST Elbrus, 32GB ECC DDR4. It is slightly harder to code for this chip but, it is more secure - no Meltdown, no other security breaches. The server cost me about 1100$ (full pack, just plug power cord and run). And I can say that theese machines are not only for Russia, we plan to sell to all former-Soviet Union. (or not former but future, who knows :D)
With love to LTT, greetings from Moscow, USSR!
А как и где их купить? Обычный ИП в Питере может?
Ne pizdi!
@@abatollo Да, частник тоже. Я вот своего брал через GS Group.
@@RyanmcgroveUs чёрт, а как? Я бы хотел просто для себя, поразбираться. На сайте GS Group нет ничего, напоминающего хотя бы цены или контакты для заказа(
Techquickie : only Shintel has backdoor security hardware holes that can be put into place remotely and used remotely :-). Facts mate, facts :-).
Wow. For the first time, catching an LMG video this early. Usually have to stay up into the night (next day, who am I kidding).
I am in South east asian and I feel the same as you
I think VLIW plays to Russia's strength in software since they can have more people developing and optimizing compilers for it. Developing processor hardware is very capital intensive and requires very specialized knowledge that is difficult to acquire.
I think, the most interesting feature of Elbrus is that it uses 3 separate stacks for data, for function pointers and for function arguments and with this, it should be protected on the hardware level against stack overflows, which cause a lot of damage with x86 CPUs (and C/C++ apps)
It has an instruction set for brute forcing passwords of machines in other countries
This is really interesting