I’ve been using TooLost since February when I published my first release with the platform. How much longer does it take to start seeing royalties from my releases?
@@DJPain1 I’ve been using TooLost since February when I published my first release with the platform. How much longer should I wait before I start seeing royalties from my releases?
Some producers especially the new ones think they have to make ten plus beats per day, which is not automatically a bad thing but they will eventually gon sound like the generic bulk stuff. One GOOD beat per day put some ur sauce, effort and time on that, thats enough, give your heart to the game 🙏
It’s not about quantity for the sake of quantity; it’s about intention. So making one ‘good beat’ a day as a goal isn’t specific enough. Quality is subjective. If making a ‘good’ beat is your goal rather than something specific such as ‘my goal for this next quarter is to improve my low end mix,’ you’ll drive yourself crazy.
But then guys like grant cardone say you need to 10x everything for the marketplace. When you 10x yourself on beats, you'll get to thinking like this what about marketing, promo, social, etc. Stuff doesn't just fall out the sky
32:21 I relate with Dame here 110% A hobby and a Passion, and if you want it to be a career you will only do what you must do to improve! No matter how fun or not!! This is what I tell peeps, and try to get them to see. And most people I talk to do it for a hobby, or they say they're gonna quit and it's like, well you need to look to look at yourself in the third person there. I know/see so many people, all they care about is making beats to get placements fast if they can, they don't even know basic music theory, no circle of fifths, no scales, no actual science of frequencies and vibration, history of music, all sorts. But so many sit there every day wanting it one way and complain where nothings changing and or don't post cause not inspired. If you were passionate about making it a career, wouldn't you push yourself through all the boring and un fun stuff so that you would excel higher later? That is only one perspective of that, but it's a fair analogy.
We all have moments where that creative spark is lacking. I need to push through that sometimes, and other times giving myself a little time to get inspired works better. I don't necessarily think it's either/or . Honestly, when I'm not motivated just going and listening to a more seasoned producer gets me in front of the laptop quickly 9/10 times. (To be clear I'm a single dad, part time job, and I homeschool my daughter. Admittedly a different dynamic than most)
Great convo Pain1 🤝 it is tough out there, been doing it 20 years, I don’t think it is easier or harder now, just different. Step one learn as much as possible. Step two adapt or perish. ✌️💚
Aside from the last fortnight, I post a beat every day if not every couple. I work every day and night, and I schedule myself and somewhat even schedule what beats go up since I make quite a few diff ones. But that doesn't stop me improving because I don't think I need money, I don't think I need to make a "good" beat. I need to have something I've woken up with intent to do, like improving how I do melodies for example, or how I can achieve a better result on mixing certain things and so on and so forth. This is a lifelong process where we forever grow and learn. And everyday you should apply critical thinking towards your work. This in turn will bring me money and more work. “You will enrich your life immeasurably if you approach it with a sense of wonder and discovery, and always challenge yourself to try new things.” “Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young.”
Love that ya’ll dove deep into the tweet. Something I added to it on Threads but not Twitter was this: “So a better way to look at it instead of getting shot ups is to just go to the gym and dribble around. Practice that move you saw last night. That’s what art is: PLAY” and that’s where I think I’m being misunderstood here. I believe in showing up everyday and creating and being consistent in that regard. And what I am talking about in the tweet is mindset that treats this like a sport when it’s not. It is art. Going into the studio and being present in what you’re creating now. Then love it. Then do it again. That’s the playing
Hell of a topic as a whole. Erinn really gave good insight she opens up more and more about everyday life. Everyone had good output and insight. Good post
Just wanna say you guys are keeping me inspired to put in the reps everyday. I can't make beats atm cuz of an injury but im constantly working on myself; health, education, new ideas, lyrics, active listening, organization, etc. so I can hit the ground running when I'm healed Thank you sooooo much for everything you guys do for the producer community!!! 💪😎👍
I'm the type of person who uses subtitles for movies in English (as an English speaker), so I love the addition of subtitles here. Definitely helps keep up with everything being said
I didn't pursue music professionally; I joined the military, ventured into the corporate world, and even dabbled in startups. I got back into music last year after a decade-long break. From my varied experiences (structured, semi structured, entrepreneurial) it seems that the hardest workers often find themselves the luckiest 🙂 So, in my opinion, you have to grind daily. Someone else always is. Jerry Seinfeld committed to writing jokes every day. His show about "nothing" didn’t just come out of thin air.
Thanks again for the great content, Much appreciated! To me, having a schedule really helps in actually finishing work. I had a long period where I had hundreds of unfinished "loops" on my drive, once I made a schedule, I started finishing beats and was able to start actually selling beats. Now I do have different genres that I work on, for different purposes, but I started seeing them ask tasks related to my job. (I still work a 9 to 5 on the side and have a 4 year old son) and purposly making steps to transition from working for a boss to having my own business. I do believe if you want to really make a living off your music (and your passion) you need to treat it as a profession and this means that sometimes you will need to perform, even if your mind isn't at it in that moment. People who say that this kills inspiration and creativity might want to consider if they have the correct mind set, or just make music for themselves with the risk of getting bitter that their true potential will never be unlocked.
You all are consistently delivering the knowledge, I love it! I found the closed caption at the bottom of the screen distracting when I was watching, so I had to just listen, probably worth another pass by my ears honestly. Much love to you all.
Also...People seem to be, for some reason, more cynical about motivations behind positive takes, than negative ones..like, if you say sumn good, you must have an ulterior motive, but a negative take is seen as somehow organic (?)....which is weird AF to me ..
I think there’s a way to show up with something creative just by implementing the ideas you come up with when you’re away from the computer and showing up to experiment and explore those ideas consistently producing but not always absolutely creating an end product. I think of it like conducting experiments and batches of product
Here's a tag line for you Pain, "Not too lost to be found" so sign up. For the pod cast " Even" if were not" ....yeah I quoted inside a quote 🤷♂️ anyway emphasis on "Even"
I honestly feel that business and art merge in post. The business doesn’t belong in the booth, or anywhere near my writing session. I love music, therefore as an amateur, professionally speaking, I do this for FREE. If I end up doing something “business wise” it will become apparent after I get out the booth, and everyone feels it during the playback. My partner, the CEO of our label hates my perspective, but he loves what I do musically, and that’s as far as his interest should go. Some people are type A, others type B - we need to give everyone room to be who and how they are. There is a difference between a musician and performer. There is a difference between a creative and a talent. There is a difference between drive and passion. Both are motives, but there is nuance. These distinctions need to be pointed out more often. Writers block, creativity block, these things happen! That’s why sometimes we get a dance break - niggas didn’t have nothin to say over some parts of the record, and sometimes you just need to sit back and chill.
Its been 2 month of making beat by me ! I should say its alot of fun in it! Every day ,every time i sit in front of the DAW i learn something new and this is really exciting ! The beat block can not happen to me cuz i have the 3 different inspiration source
The goal should always just to better yourself and your sound however u can it’s not always making a beat or completing a good beat is that actually making you better? Focusing on a specific goal and working on it everyday even if a beat isn’t completed is making you better. So the next time you complete a beat you use what you learned and what comes out of it? Improvement. Instead of just saying okay one beat a day. What happens if you don’t happen to make a beat a day? You might start to get all nervous and anxious cause you didn’t meet that broad goal which isn’t benefiting you.
I'd say a workflow that could be a bit cleaner is to get a base concept for a track down, lay down a progression, melodies, or drums, or whatever you feel right starting with, and then take a step back, do something else for a little bit, take a breather from the track and then come back to it, cause when you're actively working on something your perception of it all kind of becomes mush, and listening back after a slight break gives you a bit of a different perspective. After that you can decide if you like it and want to continue work on it or if it's just not sounding right and you wanna start from the ground up.
I’m Not Trying To Be An Expert lol, But I Feel Like People Just Need To Find Balance. Yes. Making Music Should Be Fun, But In The Sense Of Enjoying Where You Work. If You’re Trying To Make Money Then You Should Take It As Serious As Any 9-5.
I make beats everyday and its only because i feel inspired or feel creative all the time, but with no meaning behind it kinda kills the entire point of it. imo
Everyone runs different, All I’ll say is newer producers seem to get burnt out easier and give up. The impatience from the young cats is laughable The goal of Going viral has messed the game up. Business marketing social media all plays a big part But if the music isn’t in you I can’t see it working long term
Those people think the only way to make it work is to get directly popular, when the best way to do it is to collaborate with people directly, find people who could be looking for your work, send them examples of your work and build a relationship with people. And by that I don't mean "send Drake a beat folder in DMs" I mean find people who you can actively communicate with, people in your reach. You can't expect to get a number 1 chart topping hit as soon as you get into the business, or even a while after that, but that doesn't mean that it can't work out
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I’ve been using TooLost since February when I published my first release with the platform. How much longer does it take to start seeing royalties from my releases?
I started working on music “on a schedule” 1 year ago and it’s been incredibly helpful in regards to productivity and building a catalogue
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@@DJPain1 I’ve been using TooLost since February when I published my first release with the platform. How much longer should I wait before I start seeing royalties from my releases?
@@peckkisonthebeat are you generating royalties?
Some producers especially the new ones think they have to make ten plus beats per day, which is not automatically a bad thing but they will eventually gon sound like the generic bulk stuff. One GOOD beat per day put some ur sauce, effort and time on that, thats enough, give your heart to the game 🙏
It’s not about quantity for the sake of quantity; it’s about intention. So making one ‘good beat’ a day as a goal isn’t specific enough. Quality is subjective. If making a ‘good’ beat is your goal rather than something specific such as ‘my goal for this next quarter is to improve my low end mix,’ you’ll drive yourself crazy.
@@DJPain1 Yes good point 🤝
@@DJPain1i think you just got me through this hump in my journey thank you.
But then guys like grant cardone say you need to 10x everything for the marketplace. When you 10x yourself on beats, you'll get to thinking like this what about marketing, promo, social, etc. Stuff doesn't just fall out the sky
I had to podcast from my phone this week and it cut my face out of frame. Sorry y’all. My computer will hopefully be fixed this week.
32:21 I relate with Dame here 110% A hobby and a Passion, and if you want it to be a career you will only do what you must do to improve! No matter how fun or not!!
This is what I tell peeps, and try to get them to see. And most people I talk to do it for a hobby, or they say they're gonna quit and it's like, well you need to look to look at yourself in the third person there.
I know/see so many people, all they care about is making beats to get placements fast if they can, they don't even know basic music theory, no circle of fifths, no scales, no actual science of frequencies and vibration, history of music, all sorts. But so many sit there every day wanting it one way and complain where nothings changing and or don't post cause not inspired. If you were passionate about making it a career, wouldn't you push yourself through all the boring and un fun stuff so that you would excel higher later?
That is only one perspective of that, but it's a fair analogy.
We all have moments where that creative spark is lacking. I need to push through that sometimes, and other times giving myself a little time to get inspired works better. I don't necessarily think it's either/or . Honestly, when I'm not motivated just going and listening to a more seasoned producer gets me in front of the laptop quickly 9/10 times. (To be clear I'm a single dad, part time job, and I homeschool my daughter. Admittedly a different dynamic than most)
Great convo Pain1 🤝 it is tough out there, been doing it 20 years, I don’t think it is easier or harder now, just different. Step one learn as much as possible. Step two adapt or perish. ✌️💚
Aside from the last fortnight, I post a beat every day if not every couple. I work every day and night, and I schedule myself and somewhat even schedule what beats go up since I make quite a few diff ones. But that doesn't stop me improving because I don't think I need money, I don't think I need to make a "good" beat.
I need to have something I've woken up with intent to do, like improving how I do melodies for example, or how I can achieve a better result on mixing certain things and so on and so forth. This is a lifelong process where we forever grow and learn. And everyday you should apply critical thinking towards your work. This in turn will bring me money and more work.
“You will enrich your life immeasurably if you approach it with a sense of wonder and discovery, and always challenge yourself to try new things.”
“Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young.”
That last sentence 🎯
Love that ya’ll dove deep into the tweet. Something I added to it on Threads but not Twitter was this:
“So a better way to look at it instead of getting shot ups is to just go to the gym and dribble around. Practice that move you saw last night. That’s what art is: PLAY” and that’s where I think I’m being misunderstood here.
I believe in showing up everyday and creating and being consistent in that regard. And what I am talking about in the tweet is mindset that treats this like a sport when it’s not. It is art. Going into the studio and being present in what you’re creating now. Then love it. Then do it again. That’s the playing
Hell of a topic as a whole. Erinn really gave good insight she opens up more and more about everyday life. Everyone had good output and insight. Good post
Thank you!
@@TheErinnAffect i appreciate you
Just wanna say you guys are keeping me inspired to put in the reps everyday. I can't make beats atm cuz of an injury but im constantly working on myself; health, education, new ideas, lyrics, active listening, organization, etc. so I can hit the ground running when I'm healed Thank you sooooo much for everything you guys do for the producer community!!! 💪😎👍
Music is a very high level art.
At Odds Podcast: Learn The Game with E Pain & Dame.
At Odds Podcast: Free Game from E Pain & Dame.
I'm the type of person who uses subtitles for movies in English (as an English speaker), so I love the addition of subtitles here. Definitely helps keep up with everything being said
Glad to see the Podcast gettin Better Every Week
Appreciate that
I didn't pursue music professionally; I joined the military, ventured into the corporate world, and even dabbled in startups. I got back into music last year after a decade-long break. From my varied experiences (structured, semi structured, entrepreneurial) it seems that the hardest workers often find themselves the luckiest 🙂
So, in my opinion, you have to grind daily. Someone else always is. Jerry Seinfeld committed to writing jokes every day. His show about "nothing" didn’t just come out of thin air.
At Odds Podcast - Where it's ok to disagree 👀
Thanks again for the great content, Much appreciated!
To me, having a schedule really helps in actually finishing work. I had a long period where I had hundreds of unfinished "loops" on my drive, once I made a schedule, I started finishing beats and was able to start actually selling beats.
Now I do have different genres that I work on, for different purposes, but I started seeing them ask tasks related to my job. (I still work a 9 to 5 on the side and have a 4 year old son) and purposly making steps to transition from working for a boss to having my own business.
I do believe if you want to really make a living off your music (and your passion) you need to treat it as a profession and this means that sometimes you will need to perform, even if your mind isn't at it in that moment.
People who say that this kills inspiration and creativity might want to consider if they have the correct mind set, or just make music for themselves with the risk of getting bitter that their true potential will never be unlocked.
Really positive intro about internet habbits. Thank you and stay blessed!
Thank you
You all are consistently delivering the knowledge, I love it! I found the closed caption at the bottom of the screen distracting when I was watching, so I had to just listen, probably worth another pass by my ears honestly. Much love to you all.
Thank you 🙏🏽
Everybodys creativity clocks tick different so i dont see how this topic can be applied broadly.
True but I’d say any trajectory that doesn’t entail consistency and intentional practice is universally going to be inferior to one that does.
Great topic. Appreciate you all.
Thanks for watching!
Also...People seem to be, for some reason, more cynical about motivations behind positive takes, than negative ones..like, if you say sumn good, you must have an ulterior motive, but a negative take is seen as somehow organic (?)....which is weird AF to me ..
Yep exactly
Great Talk. Artist, producers and creatives need to get out their feelings and do the work that needs to be done for THEM.
I agree with this
I think there’s a way to show up with something creative just by implementing the ideas you come up with when you’re away from the computer and showing up to experiment and explore those ideas consistently producing but not always absolutely creating an end product. I think of it like conducting experiments and batches of product
Selling yourself short? Your the 2 a day OG!
3:14 Dame said let me get straight to the facts
I thought it was funny how the subtitles couldnt decide wheter to say two lost or toolost
How did you create the subtitles?
Here's a tag line for you Pain, "Not too lost to be found" so sign up. For the pod cast " Even" if were not" ....yeah I quoted inside a quote 🤷♂️ anyway emphasis on "Even"
I like the play on words
"Where even odd is odd" bro, I could write a book haha appreciate you, Pain 😎🤙
😂😂😂 love this
@TheErinnAffect Yo! Erinn I appreciate you too ❤️ thanks for the discussions you all have 😎🤙
I honestly feel that business and art merge in post. The business doesn’t belong in the booth, or anywhere near my writing session. I love music, therefore as an amateur, professionally speaking, I do this for FREE. If I end up doing something “business wise” it will become apparent after I get out the booth, and everyone feels it during the playback. My partner, the CEO of our label hates my perspective, but he loves what I do musically, and that’s as far as his interest should go. Some people are type A, others type B - we need to give everyone room to be who and how they are. There is a difference between a musician and performer. There is a difference between a creative and a talent. There is a difference between drive and passion. Both are motives, but there is nuance. These distinctions need to be pointed out more often. Writers block, creativity block, these things happen! That’s why sometimes we get a dance break - niggas didn’t have nothin to say over some parts of the record, and sometimes you just need to sit back and chill.
Two a day minimum for me even with a job.
I make and release a beat everyday
Its been 2 month of making beat by me !
I should say its alot of fun in it!
Every day ,every time i sit in front of the DAW i learn something new and this is really exciting !
The beat block can not happen to me cuz i have the 3 different inspiration source
the moral compass is a good nickname for e
😂😂 that’s a responsibility I don’t want to hold. Folks don’t hold the same things as valuable as I do
Lol ok just compass then
@@paulmac2679 lol!!!
The goal should always just to better yourself and your sound however u can it’s not always making a beat or completing a good beat is that actually making you better? Focusing on a specific goal and working on it everyday even if a beat isn’t completed is making you better. So the next time you complete a beat you use what you learned and what comes out of it? Improvement. Instead of just saying okay one beat a day. What happens if you don’t happen to make a beat a day? You might start to get all nervous and anxious cause you didn’t meet that broad goal which isn’t benefiting you.
You don’t have to make a bunch of beats a day. Just make a beat you are fully vested in and you will get the results you are looking for
I'd say a workflow that could be a bit cleaner is to get a base concept for a track down, lay down a progression, melodies, or drums, or whatever you feel right starting with, and then take a step back, do something else for a little bit, take a breather from the track and then come back to it, cause when you're actively working on something your perception of it all kind of becomes mush, and listening back after a slight break gives you a bit of a different perspective. After that you can decide if you like it and want to continue work on it or if it's just not sounding right and you wanna start from the ground up.
@@GlitchDude facts! Don’t want to be a jack of all beats but master of none
I’m Not Trying To Be An Expert lol, But I Feel Like People Just Need To Find Balance. Yes. Making Music Should Be Fun, But In The Sense Of Enjoying Where You Work. If You’re Trying To Make Money Then You Should Take It As Serious As Any 9-5.
no gain no pain DJ pain
I make beats everyday and its only because i feel inspired or feel creative all the time, but with no meaning behind it kinda kills the entire point of it. imo
that metaphor was too intellectual for them ahah
Making a beat a day isn’t even hard I don’t even understand why people give such push back with such a positive tip
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Please Im begging no more closed captions 😭
They will be opened captions next time
Practice? We’re talking about practice not the game that we die for.. we’re talking about practice 🤣☠️
All jokes a side work on your craft everyday!
AI 🗣️🗣️
You gotta work hard I make 30 beats a day folks too lazy talkin jive on you tube waiting time
Everyone runs different, All I’ll say is newer producers seem to get burnt out easier and give up. The impatience from the young cats is laughable The goal of Going viral has messed the game up. Business marketing social media all plays a big part But if the music isn’t in you I can’t see it working long term
Those people think the only way to make it work is to get directly popular, when the best way to do it is to collaborate with people directly, find people who could be looking for your work, send them examples of your work and build a relationship with people. And by that I don't mean "send Drake a beat folder in DMs" I mean find people who you can actively communicate with, people in your reach.
You can't expect to get a number 1 chart topping hit as soon as you get into the business, or even a while after that, but that doesn't mean that it can't work out
They get burnt out imo because they expect fast success and aren’t working with intention and faith
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