I have owned one bmw, and what you said was spot on. After about a year it just bored me. I now own two ducatis - never ever boring. Have had my oldest ducati for 4 years, still enjoy every minute on it. (I reread this after posting it and had to add this. Yes, I enjoy every minute I ride the bike, but that doesn't mention the every-now-and-then when I still get off the bike just ecstatic. It can still absolutely thrill me after 4 years)
People equate a fast bike with being exciting and with the s1000rr, that just isn't the case. They also think I'm saying it is a bad bike, I'm not, it's phenomenal, it's just boring to me.
Gotta admit - I've been looking for a 998 deal for a while. I definitely have a dream garage with one of those. Very cool review to see her bike on our roads. Nice video and review!
@@Track-Day-Rider-DJT24 it's a 2020 buddy, used is very much implied at that point. It's actually something I mention twice in the first 30 seconds, by saying it is a 2020 and then saying again it's around 16k for the 2020s now.
I changed out the stock suspension for Ohlins front and rear. That took care of the vague feel in the chassis and brakes. Replace the throttle with Alpha racing throttle that help with the throttle feel. Now it feels great!
The V4 has to be the best looking bike. For me I couldn't see owning one as an only bike, it'd be a nice 2nd or 3rd bike to have. I got a 22 S1000r for daily, I'm looking at a tenere 700 for longer distance and backcountry but I'd love to have a V4 for very short after dinner blasts.
Yeah I’ve a v4r as a third bike. I’ve a Goldwing 2024 (usually change it every three years) for long distances and a turbo zzr1400 (zxr14 to you guys) for some fun runway pulls we do a few times a year.
If you like the HP4 Race, you really should try the 2015/2016 S1000RR. That was the starting point for the HP4. The 2017-2019 S1000RRs are almost as good as the 15/16, and the 2020+ are a very different animal. The shift cam stuff makes the 2020+ very docile on the street at low RPMs, but it turns into a wheelie monster at high revs. Personally, I prefer the lopey idle and smoother power band of the earlier bikes, but I'm not giving up my 2022 any time soon!
Yup, ridden those, I agree for the most part, they have a good bit more character to them vs the 2020-present. Thanks for checking out the channel Doug!! Maybe I can get one of the many bikes you have on the channel!
Really just talking about motorcycles. You might as well compare any bike to see if there's a $30k difference......and there is. I own a 22 M1K and a 23 SP2 and the price is about a $10k difference and you can feel the difference. That S1K is vastly outmatched in every way except comfort in my opinion and that's as a owner of more comparable two. The V4R is definitely superior, how much superior, well that's for each individual to valuate that. For me it's the best looking bike, most powerful, best sounding w the R1, the riding dynamics are sharp as a razor and parts are top shelf and also perform as so.
@j.taveras8447 totally agree, this video I hope shows that despite the gaps in overall performance and fit and finish. A used s1000rr is a fantastic machine for $30k less!
Different flavours of awesome German machines!! (lol) Great perspective. You could, almost, make the same comments comparing a Honda with a Kawasaki...one has no soul and the other is soulful.
@@CaliMotoTV Fair enough! And...fun fact...Lamborghini and ducati are both owned by the very Teutonic VWGroup...those Italian brands have not been 100% Italian for some time now.
Who in their right mind that's not a millionaire would spend $45,000 on a motorbike. I don't care how pretty or good it is that's just madness. I bought my S1k m package new in 2021 - cost me €25,000 (Ireland) - now they are over €30,000 and even that price puts me off upgrading to the new S1000RR. I would never consider buying any used sports bike either - just would not feel comfortable on it not really knowing what scrapes it got into in its previous life. The best solution is to have a few bikes - I have 5 including a 2022 Panigale V2 bayliss so depending on my mood I have a bike to suit all occasions. But if I had to sell all my bikes except one it would be the S1000 I would keep.
Great video. I have ridden both bikes s1000rr so easy to maneuver almost feels like the bike dies it all . V4s not v4r makes you work for it but outstanding experience
Because that's what was available to me. I thought from a buyers prospective it would be cool to see that even though they s1krr is 4 years old it is still a solid bike and should be considered!
@@CaliMotoTV if you were close enough, I would give you my 2024 S1k to compare. interesting thing is going to be for me to compare the 2024 S1k after I mod it in the next few weeks against my 2023 Streetfighter SP2. the Ducati's just hit so different and raw power!
They are about in the same league. BOTH are 1000cc.. The S1000RR are more comfortable. The Ducati V4 is just a strong fun bike. My son had the 23 Duc V4S and the 24 BMW S1000RR M package. He says track wise, the Ducati and S1000RR for city riding. I think both are fun bike. Just depends on what you're looking for
@@CaliMotoTV My V4S is somewhat better. Stronger the tge V4R. If you watched 650IB video of his V4R dyno'ed It's my Sons V4S that he put it up against and my sons had more horsepower.
@bikepimp72 1103cc motor should have more power, and mid range vs the v4r. It's how it puts that power down is what really sets the v4r apart from the v4s. Having owned a v4s and reviewed many on street and track, that comes from experience on them...awesome his bike was on Ib's video!
This only confirms what every bikenut already knows. I meet a lot of S1k and V4s on track and although the V4s look and sound better, it's pretty much the S1k's that leave me gasping for breath. Even with guys that have no idea what they are doing... So for track: the S1k all day long. For the sheer viceral experience however.... nothing beats an Italian V4. A Ducati in this case. (I own an Aprilia Tuono V4 myself). Sjeez bro, invite me over. 😂
Not a v4s though (V4R), I can see your point though. The v4r on track is very different from the v4s and it is very much a blistering monster but it is so much more calm out of corners! I dig both. But the Ducati just gives you that little extra special.
@@CaliMotoTV I meant V4s, as in plural. I don't really know the difference between V4R and V4S except the price, but there's much more to it obviously. I never really considered owning a Ducati Hypersport, simply because of the price of maintenance and the familiar reliability issues. Not that the Aprilia is any better, but at least I dare working on it myself.😎
@@literal_lee Modern V4 Ducatis don't have issues, people just keep regurgitating information that's carried over from 1199/1299. Have had my SP2 for 2 years zero issues in 4.5K miles w dry clutch and maintenance is about the same as my M1K. Both need annual maintenance requirements or mileage but most people don't put 4-6k miles on a bike.
@literal_lee oooohhhhhh haha my bad😅 so the v4s and the v4r are very different bikes. Starting with the engine 1103cc (v4s) vs 998cc (v4r). Power is made very different as well, the v4r is much more revvy 16,250-16,500 vs 14,500. There's a good bit more... maybe that'll be the next video.
I have owned one bmw, and what you said was spot on. After about a year it just bored me. I now own two ducatis - never ever boring. Have had my oldest ducati for 4 years, still enjoy every minute on it. (I reread this after posting it and had to add this. Yes, I enjoy every minute I ride the bike, but that doesn't mention the every-now-and-then when I still get off the bike just ecstatic. It can still absolutely thrill me after 4 years)
People equate a fast bike with being exciting and with the s1000rr, that just isn't the case. They also think I'm saying it is a bad bike, I'm not, it's phenomenal, it's just boring to me.
@@CaliMotoTV That is exactly what I meant. Fast bike, great engineering, just unfortunately boring.
@@CaliMotoTV "it's phenomenal, it's just boring to me". Let's be honest the S1000RR just suck!
BMW for the street. Ducati for the track all day, every day.
Gotta admit - I've been looking for a 998 deal for a while. I definitely have a dream garage with one of those. Very cool review to see her bike on our roads. Nice video and review!
I have the BMW, euro version, and I agree with the vague feeling until I swapped for better tyres and man what a difference in feedback and turn in
Could be the tires you're right for some of it. The throttle still feels like a video game with no real connection to the bike.
@Track-Day-Rider-DJT24 so everyone seems to think about the msrp as new, this isn't new its a 2020 with 12k miles. So $16k is about what it's worth.
@@Track-Day-Rider-DJT24 it's a 2020 buddy, used is very much implied at that point. It's actually something I mention twice in the first 30 seconds, by saying it is a 2020 and then saying again it's around 16k for the 2020s now.
@@CaliMotoTV that I agree
Bmw for daily/street. Ducati for track. Ducati is too aggresive and uncomfortable for extended st riding. And the maint cost is so dumb
I changed out the stock suspension for Ohlins front and rear. That took care of the vague feel in the chassis and brakes. Replace the throttle with Alpha racing throttle that help with the throttle feel. Now it feels great!
That is 100% what I would do, but I'd also upgrade the brakes. And alpha racing throttle is amazing!
The V4 has to be the best looking bike. For me I couldn't see owning one as an only bike, it'd be a nice 2nd or 3rd bike to have. I got a 22 S1000r for daily, I'm looking at a tenere 700 for longer distance and backcountry but I'd love to have a V4 for very short after dinner blasts.
That would be a solid lineup!
Yeah I’ve a v4r as a third bike. I’ve a Goldwing 2024 (usually change it every three years) for long distances and a turbo zzr1400 (zxr14 to you guys) for some fun runway pulls we do a few times a year.
If you like the HP4 Race, you really should try the 2015/2016 S1000RR. That was the starting point for the HP4.
The 2017-2019 S1000RRs are almost as good as the 15/16, and the 2020+ are a very different animal. The shift cam stuff makes the 2020+ very docile on the street at low RPMs, but it turns into a wheelie monster at high revs. Personally, I prefer the lopey idle and smoother power band of the earlier bikes, but I'm not giving up my 2022 any time soon!
Yup, ridden those, I agree for the most part, they have a good bit more character to them vs the 2020-present. Thanks for checking out the channel Doug!! Maybe I can get one of the many bikes you have on the channel!
your comments are really true. I have both bikes and you nail each topic...
Hey thank you! I hope you enjoy those bad boys!
Yes, Ducati doesn’t rainbow their badge in June
You're so edgy 🙄
Huh?
Right? Like what in the sh!t does this have to do with anything?
@@CaliMotoTV exactly. Why can't we just enjoy some great motorcycle content? 😁🏁🏁🏁
Lmao
Nice review.
Thanks!
Really just talking about motorcycles. You might as well compare any bike to see if there's a $30k difference......and there is.
I own a 22 M1K and a 23 SP2 and the price is about a $10k difference and you can feel the difference.
That S1K is vastly outmatched in every way except comfort in my opinion and that's as a owner of more comparable two.
The V4R is definitely superior, how much superior, well that's for each individual to valuate that. For me it's the best looking bike, most powerful, best sounding w the R1, the riding dynamics are sharp as a razor and parts are top shelf and also perform as so.
@j.taveras8447 totally agree, this video I hope shows that despite the gaps in overall performance and fit and finish. A used s1000rr is a fantastic machine for $30k less!
Different flavours of awesome German machines!! (lol)
Great perspective. You could, almost, make the same comments comparing a Honda with a Kawasaki...one has no soul and the other is soulful.
Well not quite all German 😆 you could, I like Honda better. Especially thr 1000rr-r SP.
@@CaliMotoTV Fair enough! And...fun fact...Lamborghini and ducati are both owned by the very Teutonic VWGroup...those Italian brands have not been 100% Italian for some time now.
Who in their right mind that's not a millionaire would spend $45,000 on a motorbike. I don't care how pretty or good it is that's just madness. I bought my S1k m package new in 2021 - cost me €25,000 (Ireland) - now they are over €30,000 and even that price puts me off upgrading to the new S1000RR. I would never consider buying any used sports bike either - just would not feel comfortable on it not really knowing what scrapes it got into in its previous life. The best solution is to have a few bikes - I have 5 including a 2022 Panigale V2 bayliss so depending on my mood I have a bike to suit all occasions. But if I had to sell all my bikes except one it would be the S1000 I would keep.
Different strokes for different folks my friend. Enjoy your 5 bikes!
I am stuck between these two motorcycles, which one to get except I am comparing the Panigale V4 S instead of the Panigale V4 R.
What kind of dealer support do you have locally? My BMW dealer is head and shoulders above the other dealers in town. That's worth a lot to me.
Great video. I have ridden both bikes s1000rr so easy to maneuver almost feels like the bike dies it all . V4s not v4r makes you work for it but outstanding experience
The v4s is a good bit different... maybe that's the next video v4s vs v4r. I know Mani did that but not from a riding prospective.
good video but why not use a 2023 or 24 S1K with Brent Tune and compare?
Because that's what was available to me. I thought from a buyers prospective it would be cool to see that even though they s1krr is 4 years old it is still a solid bike and should be considered!
@@CaliMotoTV if you were close enough, I would give you my 2024 S1k to compare. interesting thing is going to be for me to compare the 2024 S1k after I mod it in the next few weeks against my 2023 Streetfighter SP2. the Ducati's just hit so different and raw power!
@@Farhan.DucatiS1kyea that 1103cc is a beast. The v4r 998cc matches better with the inline 4. But yea that would be cool to test one that's modded.
Both great bikes but I settled for a panigale v2 ….more than enough for me at my local track in the uk.
They are about in the same league. BOTH are 1000cc..
The S1000RR are more comfortable. The Ducati V4 is just a strong fun bike.
My son had the 23 Duc V4S and the 24 BMW S1000RR M package.
He says track wise, the Ducati and S1000RR for city riding.
I think both are fun bike. Just depends on what you're looking for
So this is a v4r which is a good bit different than the v4s. But your son has a killer combo!
@@CaliMotoTV My V4S is somewhat better. Stronger the tge V4R. If you watched 650IB video of his V4R dyno'ed
It's my Sons V4S that he put it up against and my sons had more horsepower.
@bikepimp72 1103cc motor should have more power, and mid range vs the v4r. It's how it puts that power down is what really sets the v4r apart from the v4s. Having owned a v4s and reviewed many on street and track, that comes from experience on them...awesome his bike was on Ib's video!
This only confirms what every bikenut already knows. I meet a lot of S1k and V4s on track and although the V4s look and sound better, it's pretty much the S1k's that leave me gasping for breath. Even with guys that have no idea what they are doing...
So for track: the S1k all day long. For the sheer viceral experience however.... nothing beats an Italian V4. A Ducati in this case. (I own an Aprilia Tuono V4 myself).
Sjeez bro, invite me over. 😂
Not a v4s though (V4R), I can see your point though. The v4r on track is very different from the v4s and it is very much a blistering monster but it is so much more calm out of corners! I dig both. But the Ducati just gives you that little extra special.
@@CaliMotoTV I meant V4s, as in plural. I don't really know the difference between V4R and V4S except the price, but there's much more to it obviously.
I never really considered owning a Ducati Hypersport, simply because of the price of maintenance and the familiar reliability issues. Not that the Aprilia is any better, but at least I dare working on it myself.😎
@@literal_lee Modern V4 Ducatis don't have issues, people just keep regurgitating information that's carried over from 1199/1299.
Have had my SP2 for 2 years zero issues in 4.5K miles w dry clutch and maintenance is about the same as my M1K. Both need annual maintenance requirements or mileage but most people don't put 4-6k miles on a bike.
@literal_lee oooohhhhhh haha my bad😅 so the v4s and the v4r are very different bikes. Starting with the engine 1103cc (v4s) vs 998cc (v4r). Power is made very different as well, the v4r is much more revvy 16,250-16,500 vs 14,500. There's a good bit more... maybe that'll be the next video.
@@j.taveras8447so funny thing, I've owned an 1199s, 1299 s anniversario, and a v4 Speciale prior to this v4r. None of my bikes had issues.
V4R
What happened to the Bill guy?
Video way back in January explaining everything
@@CaliMotoTV Oh wow, ok now i know why I haven't seen any vids for a while... Thanks for letting me know, good luck with the channel.
@lennykibbs260 thanks! Hope you stick around!