Thank you so much for the support I was really exhausted at the end of the day and this is exactly what I needed to hear. I’m sure I have a lot of work ahead of me hopefully we hit water soon. Thanks Jim
My parents are going through this right now😭😭😭 they live in Paddock Lake, WI. They’re in their 70’s and disabled. Can you help me help them? Can a sledge hammer work? Its taking FOREVER to hammer 6”😭😭😭 please help!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@karlsoffthegrid1378Can you help me help my parents who are in there 70’s and been without water for 3 days now. PLEASE HELP ADVICE. No money for hiring anyone so theyre trying to do it themselves😭😭😭
Thank you so much for watching! Coincidentally the very next attempt I made we hit water in about 15 minutes. Thank you so much for watching! Here is a link to the video when we actually hit water. ruclips.net/video/o43t4eSq5ng/видео.html
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 don’t ever stop being real. Realism is what we all expect yet some sacrifice it for likes. Don’t be the like person. There’s no honor in it.
Thank you so much for watching. I’m just keeping it real. Fortunately we hit water on our second attempt. It’s not always easy to find water. If you try this please check with your department of natural resources to find out how deep The water tables are in your area. Good luck
One time I had a 1. 1/4 ....30 in point. Coupled to a 48 in pipe, thought I had It tightened enough while smashing it down the vibration disconnected the point. You know the pain trying to pull up the buried point! You live and learn 🙃😉 love your videos
Fifty seven years ago, my father and I did the same thing using a Ponjur self-contained jack hammer. We had a special made adapter. I stood in the bucket of our loader and drove the point down as he lowered the bucket. Add another pipe, raise the bucket, and I would drive again. It worked very well. We did it about 5 times as an initial water source when building houses. Good Luck, Rick
I love it. Thanks for sharing the info.I can picture myself doing the same thing. Fortunately, after we made this video our very next attempt we hit water within 15 minutes. I figured I would like to be realistic about driving a Sandpoint so I left this video up. As you know not every attempt is Water. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Have an awesome week.
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 My father and I had the gift of dowsing. I use 2 brazing rods and it has worked well for me. Try it sometimes. Do you have a good old farm tractor with front loader and 3 ph? Good Luck, Rick
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 It can be fun to try. You responded so fast that you didn't see the change. I asked if you had a farm tractor. I have a 1973 Ford 2000 with a front loader. It is extremely handy. The best tractors are American made from the late 1960s to the late 1980s. I have a snow plow, forks, harrows, a cultivator, a 1000# counterweight, chains, and a boom for it. I also have a 120' cable that I use to pull down trees(for safety). Good Luck, Rick
@@richardross7219 i’m sorry about that. We have two old Ford tractors on my brothers farm. A few years back, my wife was diagnosed with a massive brain tumor. We pretty much sold everything to pay for medical bills. I would love to get back into farming someday.
Driving that sand point that way is just good backwoods logic Thanks for sharing Karl, I picked up a few different tricks in this video. I know you will hit water. Another game changer for your camp. Have a great week buddy!
You don’t know how much I appreciate your encouragement! I am really worried about how deep the water is, hopefully we hit it soon.Stay blessed, have an awesome week
GREAT VIDEO!! A jackhammer IS the way to go. Talk about a "Duh" moment, I have driven seven sprinkler wells and wished I saw/thought of this before the first well. Fortunately, the water table is only 13-15' and I'm driving through sand. I also used galvanized pipe and similar well point. However, while occasionally "snugging" it to keep the joints tight I broke a fitting... not happy as I could not retrieve the point and some pipe. I switched to solid core PVC pipe and a PVC point for the next six wells and it worked great plus A LOT CHEAPER. I used an old time auger type post hole digger to dig down and make sure there was water within 25' of the surface. It was a lot faster than driving to get the point to the water and a lot less work than using a hand post driver to get the point to final depth of 25-30'. Again, GREAT VID! Thanks for posting.
I wish I could use PVC pipe that would be awesome. I have watched a couple of different RUclipsrs use PVC and I have to admit I’m pretty impressed.Unfortunately we have a lot of rock up here and I don’t have access to any water to help drive the PVC. Thank you so much for watching !!
Karl’s Off the grid Yes, rocks definitely are a bummer. My savior was using the post hole digger to go down the first 13-15 feet to the water line and luck out not hitting anything of consequence as I went deeper with the PVC suction pipe. I made one of those "heads" for water to help in the driving. Problem with sand is it locks onto the pipe a foot or so above the point and no amount of water will cure that. Finally decided to use the post driver on the suction pipe with a sacrificial piece for the post driver to bang on. Worked great. Definitely recommend the post hole digger to get to the water line IF you think it's 35', or less, from the surface. Just keep adding 5' sections of black pipe to the handle and you can go as far down as you have strength to lift it out of the hole and dump it.
yup... hope dont hit rocks... gravel that falls into the hole faster than u can auger it out... without water circulating thru teh pipe... 3/4" or 1"... more volume thru 1" and bentonite (clay) to seal up the hole and keep it slick and the hole from falling in.
Thank you, Karl ,for showing me how a sand point looks. I helped my father drive one for our house but I was about 17 years old and had no understanding of the whole process. He has now passed, and I have the home. Thank you for the explanation.
My creative neighbor welded a sledge head on the top of a post pounder and that extra weight really makes a different. I love that you have found an even easier for pounding in your sand point!! Thanks.
I liked your idea, never thought of it. Some other ways are if you access to supply of water or a tank you can haul water you can use water pressure and blow a PVC 2" pipe inyo modt soils that you can use your method. The other is auger a whole and then install your point. You can buy self jetting points that use water pressure for installation. With either jetting with water pressure or using an auger you can see the ground composition from the material that comes up using water pressure or from the auger. Using this information you can determine the best depth for the point. If the ground water level is high enough for you pump you can ofter better locations that are deeper. I have installed points at a depth of 60' that produce much higher flow rates that higher locations. We needed water for irrigation and with 10 points we had 250 GPM. It doesn't take a lot of pressure to jet in sand. Often if you hit a rock you can blow material away so the rock will move if it is not to big. Contractors use wellpoints to dewater so they can dig below the water table using a header system to connect the points to the pump. It can vary in length from 100' to 50' feet depending on the flow rate. I have seen flow rates from 75 GPM high to as low as 2 GPM to dewater the soil. David Muhs
Karl you can extend a sand point to 50 feet down. You need to make a slight change. You will have to install a foot valve at the top of the sand point and a check valve at the base of your pitcher pump. If you are using a standard pump you will have to install the check valve at the discharge of the pump. It will take you a longer time to prime it to get the well pipe full of water and to get the air out. It will work I have done it before in a pitch.
thank you so much for all the useful information this has given me some hope, you are a real heaven sent. I will start pulling the pump and put the check valves in place. Hopefully we find Water soon. Even though I have been a plumber my whole life this is only the second Sandpoint well that I am doing.Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, stay blessed!
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 it's good to show that we do t always win the first time , no matter if it's drilling a well , fixing and automotive product , going hunting or fishing . Sometimes you catch fish sometimes you don't. Its about what you learn along the journey (trick you learned from your grandad) and also what you teach your son and everyother person who watches this video. . There's always a wealth of knowledge in both winning and losing (one just feels better and is easier to swallow ).
Thanks James, Heaven knows with all the rocks that we have in ground up here we really have to take advantage of any tools that make the job easier.Stay safe
It seems that everyone has good days and bad days when doing projects. I think it is important to show the failures as well as the success, as they are both learning experiences. Good video regardless. Thanks for sharing.
That is so true, thanks for watching! Our persistence paid off we actually hit water a week after making this video. The process is the same so I decided to leave this video up for educational purposes. Thank you so much for watching!
Growing up i drove several sandpoints using a jack hammer. Nothing like standing in tractor bucket with jackhammer. They actually rent bits specifically for driving pipes such as sand points. Also the pipe couplers are sold as standard and thicker drive couplers. With driving sand points use drive couplers. Also if water table is 25 feet you can go deeper and it still will pump. Hell ive had points hit crap water at 15 feet and perfect water after driving it 45. Also most sand points are 3-4 feet. Some have an unscrewable tip so you can couple 2-3 together and have 6-12 feet of screen especially if your having clogging issues. Just a few tips for you guys.
They already have special fittings for driving well pipe. The typical fittings are designed as a long solid round steel bar with a lip. Imagine a long 12” Giant nail, that fits tightly into the pipe itself, with a head that is slightly wider than the drive coupling.
Hope it works out Karl ! With any luck you’ve shaken things up enough by using the jackhammer that the water finds that standpoint. Fingers crossed and looking forward to the follow up video. Take care
Thanks Tony! I’m going to try to find somebody that can professionally weld that tool back together for me. Hopefully I can get back at it next week. Stay blessed
Here in SD we use a crowbar to witch for water, by balancing it in your hand. When you come to underground water vain the front of the bar will start pointing down. If you stay there it will pump up and down. Each pump is 1 gallon of water. Then turn 90° and the bar will swing back and forth sideways. Each full swing is 10 ft to water. For example 10 swings is 100 ft to water.
Great job in Las Vegas you would need to get to about 1500 to 2000 feet to get any good water and it still would not taste well, love your channel! Best of luck.
Wow! That just blows me away. We have standing water all around me I’m not sure why I haven’t hit water yet. Thanks for your encouragement hopefully we hit water soon
@@clintonrawls694 At the time I lived in VA. There were a lot of rock. Now I live by a lake and it's all sand. Most of them I can just push them in half way and then use a hammer. Just depends on the dirt ✌️
I was thinking it might be easier to make an adapter for the pipe to fit in a rod driver. Its already on the market and no reason to reinvent the wheel.
Genius, i have seen many vids of this kinda well being installed other than having a post driver on some heavy equipment this is by far the next better option.
Thank you very much! Putting in a Sandpoint well can be a real pain in the butt, but this method sure makes it easy. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment !!
I put the well in on my place by hand, here in north central Florida you have to get down about 110 to 150 ft deep,the first one I done was with 2 (2x12x16 ) ft board made a tower over the pipe put a pully at the top eye hook screw and the heaviest oak log i could lift and for 8 hrs a day for a week I drove that pipe 132' through clay,limerock finally hit the spring,the one I done for my daughter and her man I rented a skid steer with a post driver it only took 4 hrs to go 220'
Great job Karl. Can you do a video or post a message of the names and materials required to do a well like yours. I am planning on installing 2 to 3 of these wells. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. God Bless you and your family.
I will do an update video this spring once the frost comes out of the ground. I Purchased all of the materials from our local Ace hardware store. The people that worked there were extremely helpful and informed me what materials I would all need. Check out some of my other videos on well drilling I do go through the materials I used.
I've watched every well pipe you put in, love your channel, the girls and Isaac make it fun. Always work smarter not harder, God gave us tools, imagine eating meat without a fire. A sandpoint without a jackhammer or a Whipple's 100lbs slide hammer is crazy. Can your tractor bucket push it down just wondering?
@@kevs6592 my little 45 horse Kubota doesn’t have much downward force. I think hammering with it would just beat it to death! 😆 Thought about rigging up a driller for a 4 inch with my auger attachment. Been busy leveling the pad for the new cabin.
I believe I’m not too far away from you. I am closer to Iron River and Crystal Falls. It’s tough to find water up here without hitting rocks etc...Eventually you’re going to hit water brother, If you ever need any help let me know and I would be glad to lend you a helping hand. “US-2 rental” has a little bit better set up than I do and they will rent it by the day. It’s great to hear from you, I love your channel
They are a true blessing to have. I was able to drive my last well in 15 minutes once I was set up. Thanks for taking the time to comment, have a great week!
Thanks for posting and the whole thing. As a mechanical designer, the one thing that came to mind about the tool breakage is carbonizarion at the weld. If there is hardened material welded, there is essentially a brittlization at or near weld because the carbon has been drawn to a certain area.
Thank you for your input! I had a feeling that is why the weld was failing. I think on the next one that I make I will see if I can find somebody that will forge everything in one piece. Thanks again, have a great week
You can run a sandpoint as deep as you're able to pound it. The water level is the factor. If you're 60' down but your water table is only 20 feet down, you're only pulling it from that 20' level with the pump.
Many years ago I drove one in the UP of MI. Went down 35 feet before we hit water, but it sought a level in the pipe close to ground level. Still using it 40 some years later. Easiest priming hand pump ya ever saw. We did that one with a 60 pound home-made hand pounder.
Like your videos. The quality of the video was 100% except it seemed the audio was all over the place. Can't wait for the next Video. Thank you for the time you take for this awesome content.
Thank you so much Eric I appreciate your encouragement. Sorry about the audio I am just an old blue collar worker that doesn’t know much about electronics, lol.Have an awesome week I appreciate you taking the time to comment, hopefully the videos get better
Wow! That worked great. Too bad that your homemade bit broke. I hope that you hit water. Friday after work my wife and I went to Townsend WI to pick up a small boat. On our way home we ate at Paur Haus Bar & Grill in Lakewood on Hwy 32. I told my wife that I'm not sure what route that you take to get to your cabin but it would have been pretty cool if we seen you. Take care and have a great week.
Dang I must’ve just missed you. We go through Townsend, Wabeno, Leona, and then take Highway 139 up to the cabin. I am going to try to have a professional weld the driver back together and give it a shot next week or as soon as I get the bit back. I am just praying we hit water soon you never know how deep it is. The next time you come down into Wisconsin we need to hit the fish fry at Roadhouse 139 in the town of long lake. It’s awesome. Take care, it was nice catching up with you.
EXCELLENT video, and really a fantastic way to drive those lengths home! Fingers are crossed for you sir🤞 Can't wait to see water coming out of that pump👍✌
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 Yes sir, you too. I've got some property I've been wanting to drive a shallow well on, and I've been watching a few of you to see how to go about it. Your's took the gold medal so far🤣 Good luck, God bless😃👍✌🤞🤙🇺🇲
Hoping for your opinion...I live high on a hill. There's some ledge here and there I believe. I have a artisan well that's 300 feet but want a back up. I have a section that's standing water in the spring but dry in summer. It does sit there after rain though. I wonder if I'd hit water in that section. I have very sandy soil in other places on my land but I think I'm closer to ledge in those areas. If I put a sand point in the area of the marshy area and I don't hit water I saw some people who were able to remove the sand point with a bumper jack and clean them and reinstall them. I wonder if that's possible so I can keep trying until I hit water instead of buying a new one each time.
Yes you can remove your Sandpoint with a farmers jack and reuse the point again in a new location. As far as finding water goes I would check your local DNR water table charts. They can give you a pretty good idea on where your most likely to find water. Surprisingly enough I have seen people hit water on tops of hills, it all depends on where your water table is. The area by you that has standing water for part of the year could be a good area to try. You never know maybe it just holds water because there’s clay underneath it, it’s kind of a gamble. Good luck I hope you find it
You can also jackhammer it by putting pipe or rod down the center that is impacting directly on the back of the wellpoint head. That way you're not stressing the wellpoint exterior, pipes or couplings.
You can buy an actual cupped bit for this! Just make sure the cup size and shank are right. Amazon has these as well as other tool places typically called post or stake driver bits. About $50-75 and they are solid. Commercial tent guys use this for big tents driving the stakes right into asphalt parking lots. That's where I got the idea from at least 6 or 7 tears ago. I bought the bit and have driven several points with it and loaned it out for several more. It works great!! A couple tips. Use good pipe dope and retighten pipe every couple feet or so. Also, if outside, work off the bed of a pickup. a lot safer than a ladder. I've done a lot of wellpoints and this is the way to go!
You’re awesome my friend. Thank you so much for sharing the info. I am grateful that you took the time to comment and watching the video, thanks again.
Great job love your work can you explain how you made your setup bite and jack hammer i just started an off grind project and i hall water in i need this did you get an updated version done yet
Dang I like this. I’m a professional tree climber. I’ve got some pretty tall pine trees I can double or triple tie-into (for stability, like a crane rigging bridal) so I don’t need a ladder! Tie-in HIGH and you can walk out further. I’ve got some good ideas, I might make a video out of this lol!
Thank you so much for watching! We were blessed with water our next attempt. Here is a link to the video where we finally hit water. Enjoy ruclips.net/video/o43t4eSq5ng/видео.html
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I have noticed that you could possibly use some circular cement drill bits to take the place of the driver for your jack hammer. Saw some fairly inexpensive ones the other day.
I used my log splitter as a base and bolted at Derek on the back of it I use the hydraulics to drill and pound my wells . The soils in my area of Wisconsin were too tough. I have a couple of videos on my RUclips channel. Static water level by the way is 33 ft deep here so I had to use a 2in casing and a deep well jet kit
I checked out your videos this afternoon and it looks like you have some great ideas. Now that I have a working well it would be easy for me to use your style of drilling. I would like to drill another well closer to the cabin
When welding a hard material to a soft material, you must pre-heat the material, and wrap it in a fiberglass blanket or cover with sand to cool slowly for the weld to stand up to the application you are using it for. Remember pre-heating using temperature sticks so you reach the welding requirements outlined in references tables. I hope this helps you in future projects.
Thank you so much for sharing the info a lot of people will benefit from it. That’s pretty much exactly the procedure I used. I also ground a huge bevel in the area that I was welding. I’m thinking that the problem may come from the two different types of material that I’m trying to weld together. I have been welding, a real hot bead so I think I’m getting good penetration, but for some reason the weld shears after I start using the bit for about a half an hour. I am to the point where I think I am going to have the peace cast all in one, and then have it heat treated
That is a fast way to get it done, I just don't have a jack hammer. I am considering a Harbor freight mud pump and hydro drill my next well I install. But your method looks easier and perhaps renting a jack hamer would be the way to go.
In the area where I have my cabin, I don’t have a water source to drive a Hydro drill, I sure would like to try that method. The jackhammer method is just way more simple. Thank you so much for watching ,Good luck in your ventures.
Are you able to recover the pipe already driven? Did I catch that your pump was good for the 25’ but not for the 50’? What sizes pump/Gpm do you have? Just Curious
I am going to be using a basic pitcher pump. Usually you can only drive a shallow well 25 feet but recently I learned how to drive it up to 50 feet with a few modifications. I would have to pull all 25 feet out of the ground to do so. I definitely have my hands full on this one.
Im looking at shallow well options. After looking at whats out there, i thought the jackhammer & jig was a genius idea. Beef up the jig and you got licked. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks for posting this and I really like this method (working smarter, not harder). Not sure if there was a follow up video, but given your issue with your homemade well driver bit, I am wondering if it is possible to use the extension you created and just drop a standard jackhammer bit into it and pound it down? Just sacrifice that coupler and extension. I have no experience in this but finding a well driver bit has been a challenge for me. Thanks!
Thank you so much for watching, The bit that I had made fits into any jackhammer. I have heard of some people using a post hole driver for a jackhammer but I don’t know much about it. If you decide to go this route make sure you are constantly tightening the pipe otherwise you will do damage to the joints.Eventually I hit water at another well that I was doing at the same time here is a link to that video: Driving a Sandpoint well quickly and efficiently #drivingasandpoint #drillingforwater ruclips.net/video/o43t4eSq5ng/видео.html
You can actually use the dowsing rods to determine the approximate depth of the water. They will respond to yes or no questions. Stand at the indicated spot and mentally or even out loud say is the water more than 5 feet deep? Continue this adding 5 feet at a time to the question until the rods respond. It may sound crazy but it works. If you want to go one step further, you can ask what GPM you can get. Use small increments like half a gallon a min. etc. until you get a response.
It was so warm but a sweatshirt was all I had to keep the mosquitoes off of me.The first 4 feet were brutal I didn’t include that in the video but it was solid rock. Hopefully we hit water soon
Did you check for water every 30" using a tape measure down the pipe? You can easily miss the water and drive the sand point right past the pocket or stream bed.
@@MacCountyCabin I checked every 5 feet. I switched my location in my next Sandpoint well video and hit water in 15 minutes.Thank you so much for the comment, have an awesome week
My concern for my plot is the rock. I thought about this system I'm just worried I get 20 ft down and hit rock, then what? Lol but it's just missouri limestone
Karl have to say that's a great was of doing it . To bad it broke off but i did want to see a close up of it , nice job on the part. hope all works out and you hit water.
mistakes are a learning curve weld your driver back together with low hydrogen rod (7016/24)it will last for a while the welds work harden and get brittle you can anneal them by throwing them in a fire and getting them red hot, let it cool slowly, you can repeat the repair process a few times, you can also get gasoline powered drivers, I use both to drive 2 inch fence posts, thanks for the clip keep out of the city nothing beats living bush I have been living off grid for 50 years
This isn't about this video in particular but do you remember you were asking for ideas for the outhouse? I had recommended a RUclips channel called Bramante brothers. They own an off grid wilderness lodge in Alaska. Anyhow, I just came across the video I think you/your wife would be really interested in. Go to their playlist and it's in season 1 episode 34 😁👍
Very inspiring video! I know you didn't succeed this time, but I'm sure you will! This helps me with a cabin I'm trying to get a pump on, so thanks for the ideas! I'm going to thumb up and subscribe to help your channel! Happy New Year!
Thank you so much for subscribing, welcome to the channel !! Eventually I will come back to this well but I did hit water at another location. I will leave a link to that video. Good luck with your well and your cabin Build. Thank you for your support. ruclips.net/video/o43t4eSq5ng/видео.html
Jackhammer is $132/day where I live. Same jackhammer is $3,100. I am right next to a flood plane with a high water table. High enough the guy across the street from me can't put in a pool because the table is too high. Thanks for the video!
Great to hear! We’re praying that you hit water soon. Keep us posted I have always wanted to try to drill a well that way. I see lots of people are very successful with that method. Good luck!
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I tried the pressure washer trick this past summer, worked to some extent as I was using an electric washer only 1700 psi wouldn't push the sand up past 10 feet or so and sand buried the pvc and washer hose. Got her done anyway by pounding the extra 2 feet , pretty lucky water table is so high. I would like more info on your bit cause i pulled my point for the winter but will do it again this coming summer.
@@vicktdock I pretty much just fabricated my own bit from a jackhammer chipping bit and some round stock that I welded together. I’m still trying to determine if it would be worth the money for me to invest in bringing this bit to the market for sale.If I do decide to market the idea I will post it on my channel 1st
The post driver should work just as well. It’s a little bit smaller in diameter so make sure that you use a sacrificial nipple and coupling while driving the pipe. Good luck, best wishes
I’m glad to help. The best advice I can give you talk to your neighbors or check with your municipality to see how deep your water table is. You’re not guaranteed to hit water right away.Best of luck Thanks for watching!
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I have an old well from 1900 Im trying to drain it.Its pretty cool.I fig I might go down with a sand point in the center.8ft down it starts to get hard like maybe sand rock..
So would you consider "renting" said jackhammer adapter? I have a chunk of land near Dryden, Ontario (I live in the land of the Hodag) that I'll be putting a cabin on in the coming 1-2 years and was going to drive a point there. Let me know...
I went about 35 feet. After missing Water on this attempt I moved the location to another spot on the property and hit water at about 15 feet. Thank you so much for watching and commenting!!
Karl, can you tell me the model number of the jack hammer you used? I did one after seeing this and the jackhammer I used wasnt as smooth nor was it as fast. I'm thinking I might have rented too large of one. I used a Hilti also but it was much more violent of an action than it looks like yours is doing, thanks
Very informative video Karl, sorry that bit failed on you! Cant wait for part two. So your at about twenty? I bet you put a string down to test. Fingers crossed for you my friend! Thanks for the video!
The old string has been coming back dry but hopefully we hit water soon. Any tricks you can share?This one really has me worried. Hopefully we hit water next week, stay safe
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I wish there was a trick I could share. The terrain between our properties seem pretty different. I'm very sandy and somewhat swampy. Water is pretty much guaranteed. Wish I had something for you as you are doing everything right. I just don't know your area. Best of luck next week!
@@PrePaidTeam the pipe I was using was 1 1/4” galvanized drive piping, i’m not sure what brand drive point it was, but I purchased it from Ace Hardware stores. Thank you very much for watching.
I ran into a serious issue while trying to hand drive my well. I attached the Sandpoint with the coupling and the first length of 5 foot pipe, all 1 1/4 inch, I attached the 1-1/4" WELL DRIVE PT CAP and utilized a fence post driver (the kind you use to drive T posts) and a sledge hammer to begin driving the pipe. I drove the pipe approximately 7 feet down with approximately 8” of the well pipe and drive cap showing. When I was ready to attach the next length of pipe I could not get the drive cap off. The cap spun and spun but would not come off. I had to use an angle grinder to cut it off, which revealed that the well pipe was fluted at the top (damaged) and the threads seriously mangled. I can’t imagine hand driving to do this kind of damage, could it be I hit something at the bottom that the Sandpoint could not penetrate resulting in damage to the pipe? Has anyone else ever run into an issue with the drive cap not coming off? The only other issue may be a hand tighten the drive cap I did not tighten it with a wrench, could that have led to this failure? I plan on picking up new material and trying the well in a different location, does anyone have any recommendations or advice?
This is going to sound ridiculous but you have to tighten every joint really really tight or you will run into problems like this. The deeper you have your threads tightened into the drive couplings or drive cap the more surface area absorbs the shock of the hammering and you will have less of a chance of damaging the pipe or the cap. If you put a “1 1/4 stack clamp” around your damaged pipe you can use a floor jack to pull your old pipe out of the ground. Good luck/best wishes
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 How would you attach the stack clamp to a floor jack? I think I found the stack clamp online, where would the attachment point be?
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 when I searched “stack clamp” I found this: The Plumber's Choice 1-1/4 in. Riser Clamp in Galvanized Steel. Is this the right piece?
isn't it also possible to acces the water table by pumping water from the top, preferably pressurised water to make the water table seep water to the pipe?
I am not completely sure how you would do that. In this part of the country we usually have larger deposits of water in which the Sandpoint works perfectly. Good luck
Question, are the couplings you're using to join the 5ft pipes all drive couplings or are you using drive couplings only on the short pipe with the hammer?
hi Mark it’s great to hear from you. All of the couplings that I am using are drive couplings. With the force of the jackhammer the only drawback is that it tends to smash the threads on the first coupling and the sacrificial short piece of pipe before the drive pipe. The other thing I forgot to mention in the video is you have to check regularly for water. It is real easy to pass it by. If you have anymore questions don’t be afraid to email me at Karl’soffthegrid@gmail.com I think it would be great to brainstorm with you, I’d like to hear about your standpoint
Does your pipe screw all the way into the drive couplings? I bought pipe and couplings at menards, and I don’t think they go together far enough. I messed up a piece of pipe.
One thing that I have learned since making the video is to make sure you are constantly tightening the joints. If you run into any hard spots in the ground, the joints could start to fail. Usually when you stop and tighten the pipe every minute or two, you will be less likely to have any damage to any other joints. Don’t be afraid to tighten the pipe as hard as you possibly can, The tighter, the better.
INGENIOUS ! I MAY JUST HAVE TO INSTALL ONE. I BELIEVE I HIT GROUND WATER AT 8-10 FEET AS I'M ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM TAMPA BAY. I JUST HAVE TO TEST THE WATER QUALITY AS I GO FOR SALINITY. PUBLIC WATER IN MY TOWN IS OUTRAGEOUS!
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Karl, every set back has a better comeback! Keep your head up wells can be tricky.
Thank you so much for the support I was really exhausted at the end of the day and this is exactly what I needed to hear. I’m sure I have a lot of work ahead of me hopefully we hit water soon. Thanks Jim
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My parents are going through this right now😭😭😭 they live in Paddock Lake, WI. They’re in their 70’s and disabled. Can you help me help them? Can a sledge hammer work? Its taking FOREVER to hammer 6”😭😭😭 please help!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@karlsoffthegrid1378Can you help me help my parents who are in there 70’s and been without water for 3 days now. PLEASE HELP ADVICE. No money for hiring anyone so theyre trying to do it themselves😭😭😭
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I’m glad you shared this video. We literally all learned something. Thank you for being real and not sugar coating things. 🇺🇸
Thank you so much for watching! Coincidentally the very next attempt I made we hit water in about 15 minutes. Thank you so much for watching! Here is a link to the video when we actually hit water.
ruclips.net/video/o43t4eSq5ng/видео.html
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 don’t ever stop being real. Realism is what we all expect yet some sacrifice it for likes. Don’t be the like person. There’s no honor in it.
I have seen MANY video's and NEVER has a video been more educational for me - *THANK YOU VERY MUCH KARL!!!!!*
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch! I’m glad to help
I love this video. All the video I watched so fare gave me the impression that this work every time. Thanks for sharing this experience.
Thank you so much for watching. I’m just keeping it real. Fortunately we hit water on our second attempt. It’s not always easy to find water. If you try this please check with your department of natural resources to find out how deep The water tables are in your area. Good luck
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 thanks again sir
Thanks for sharing your experience.You have saved others from having the same problems.
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment
One time I had a 1. 1/4 ....30 in point. Coupled to a 48 in pipe, thought I had It tightened enough while smashing it down the vibration disconnected the point. You know the pain trying to pull up the buried point! You live and learn 🙃😉 love your videos
Thank you so much
Fifty seven years ago, my father and I did the same thing using a Ponjur self-contained jack hammer. We had a special made adapter. I stood in the bucket of our loader and drove the point down as he lowered the bucket. Add another pipe, raise the bucket, and I would drive again. It worked very well. We did it about 5 times as an initial water source when building houses. Good Luck, Rick
I love it. Thanks for sharing the info.I can picture myself doing the same thing. Fortunately, after we made this video our very next attempt we hit water within 15 minutes. I figured I would like to be realistic about driving a Sandpoint so I left this video up. As you know not every attempt is Water. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Have an awesome week.
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 My father and I had the gift of dowsing. I use 2 brazing rods and it has worked well for me. Try it sometimes. Do you have a good old farm tractor with front loader and 3 ph? Good Luck, Rick
@@richardross7219 thanks Rick. I’ll give it a try.
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 It can be fun to try. You responded so fast that you didn't see the change. I asked if you had a farm tractor. I have a 1973 Ford 2000 with a front loader. It is extremely handy. The best tractors are American made from the late 1960s to the late 1980s. I have a snow plow, forks, harrows, a cultivator, a 1000# counterweight, chains, and a boom for it. I also have a 120' cable that I use to pull down trees(for safety). Good Luck, Rick
@@richardross7219 i’m sorry about that. We have two old Ford tractors on my brothers farm. A few years back, my wife was diagnosed with a massive brain tumor. We pretty much sold everything to pay for medical bills. I would love to get back into farming someday.
Much respect to you. I'm looking at buying land for a cabin and this kind of video is so helpful to me!
Thank you so much for taking the time to watch. Take your time and you’ll know when you find the right place. Good luck in your search
Glad you decided to show this video. Yes lots of valuable info! Driving a sandpoint well. good luck.
Driving that sand point that way is just good backwoods logic Thanks for sharing Karl, I picked up a few different tricks in this video. I know you will hit water. Another game changer for your camp. Have a great week buddy!
You don’t know how much I appreciate your encouragement! I am really worried about how deep the water is, hopefully we hit it soon.Stay blessed, have an awesome week
Is there a video on how to do this?
GREAT VIDEO!!
A jackhammer IS the way to go. Talk about a "Duh" moment, I have driven seven sprinkler wells and wished I saw/thought of this before the first well. Fortunately, the water table is only 13-15' and I'm driving through sand.
I also used galvanized pipe and similar well point. However, while occasionally "snugging" it to keep the joints tight I broke a fitting... not happy as I could not retrieve the point and some pipe. I switched to solid core PVC pipe and a PVC point for the next six wells and it worked great plus A LOT CHEAPER.
I used an old time auger type post hole digger to dig down and make sure there was water within 25' of the surface. It was a lot faster than driving to get the point to the water and a lot less work than using a hand post driver to get the point to final depth of 25-30'.
Again, GREAT VID! Thanks for posting.
I wish I could use PVC pipe that would be awesome. I have watched a couple of different RUclipsrs use PVC and I have to admit I’m pretty impressed.Unfortunately we have a lot of rock up here and I don’t have access to any water to help drive the PVC.
Thank you so much for watching !!
Karl’s Off the grid Yes, rocks definitely are a bummer. My savior was using the post hole digger to go down the first 13-15 feet to the water line and luck out not hitting anything of consequence as I went deeper with the PVC suction pipe.
I made one of those "heads" for water to help in the driving. Problem with sand is it locks onto the pipe a foot or so above the point and no amount of water will cure that. Finally decided to use the post driver on the suction pipe with a sacrificial piece for the post driver to bang on. Worked great.
Definitely recommend the post hole digger to get to the water line IF you think it's 35', or less, from the surface. Just keep adding 5' sections of black pipe to the handle and you can go as far down as you have strength to lift it out of the hole and dump it.
yup... hope dont hit rocks... gravel that falls into the hole faster than u can auger it out... without water circulating thru teh pipe... 3/4" or 1"... more volume thru 1" and bentonite (clay) to seal up the hole and keep it slick and the hole from falling in.
@@bartdelabarre3432 thanks for the info. It’s greatly appreciated!
Thank you, Karl ,for showing me how a sand point looks. I helped my father drive one for our house but I was about 17 years old and had no understanding of the whole process. He has now passed, and I have the home. Thank you for the explanation.
Thank you so much for taking the time to comment. I’m glad I could help. Have an awesome weekend.
It's good that you posted the video to show everyone that there is the risk of a set-up. Not a failure, just a set-back. Take care!
Thanks Deb !!
Wow, I learned greatly! I commend you for posting this. I appreciate the reality check in prep for I’m getting one installed. Thank you.
Thank you for watching
My creative neighbor welded a sledge head on the top of a post pounder and that extra weight really makes a different. I love that you have found an even easier for pounding in your sand point!! Thanks.
Thank you so much for watching!!
I liked your idea, never thought of it. Some other ways are if you access to supply of water or a tank you can haul water you can use water pressure and blow a PVC 2" pipe inyo modt soils that you can use your method. The other is auger a whole and then install your point. You can buy self jetting points that use water pressure for installation. With either jetting with water pressure or using an auger you can see the ground composition from the material that comes up using water pressure or from the auger. Using this information you can determine the best depth for the point. If the ground water level is high enough for you pump you can ofter better locations that are deeper. I have installed points at a depth of 60' that produce much higher flow rates that higher locations. We needed water for irrigation and with 10 points we had 250 GPM. It doesn't take a lot of pressure to jet in sand. Often if you hit a rock you can blow material away so the rock will move if it is not to big. Contractors use wellpoints to dewater so they can dig below the water table using a header system to connect the points to the pump. It can vary in length from 100' to 50' feet depending on the flow rate. I have seen flow rates from 75 GPM high to as low as 2 GPM to dewater the soil. David Muhs
Karl you can extend a sand point to 50 feet down. You need to make a slight change. You will have to install a foot valve at the top of the sand point and a check valve at the base of your pitcher pump. If you are using a standard pump you will have to install the check valve at the discharge of the pump. It will take you a longer time to prime it to get the well pipe full of water and to get the air out. It will work I have done it before in a pitch.
thank you so much for all the useful information this has given me some hope, you are a real heaven sent. I will start pulling the pump and put the check valves in place. Hopefully we find Water soon. Even though I have been a plumber my whole life this is only the second Sandpoint well that I am doing.Thanks again for sharing your knowledge, stay blessed!
This is genius! And thank you sharing this valuable information!
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 it's good to show that we do t always win the first time , no matter if it's drilling a well , fixing and automotive product , going hunting or fishing . Sometimes you catch fish sometimes you don't. Its about what you learn along the journey (trick you learned from your grandad) and also what you teach your son and everyother person who watches this video. . There's always a wealth of knowledge in both winning and losing (one just feels better and is easier to swallow ).
Is it possible to drive in hard soil?
Wow Karl that looks like the best way to drive a sand point I've ever seen.
Thanks James, Heaven knows with all the rocks that we have in ground up here we really have to take advantage of any tools that make the job easier.Stay safe
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 Good luck Karl hope the water comes in. Have a great week.
@@jamesshonk565 Have a great week James!
It seems that everyone has good days and bad days when doing projects. I think it is important to show the failures as well as the success, as they are both learning experiences. Good video regardless. Thanks for sharing.
That is so true, thanks for watching! Our persistence paid off we actually hit water a week after making this video. The process is the same so I decided to leave this video up for educational purposes. Thank you so much for watching!
Growing up i drove several sandpoints using a jack hammer. Nothing like standing in tractor bucket with jackhammer. They actually rent bits specifically for driving pipes such as sand points. Also the pipe couplers are sold as standard and thicker drive couplers. With driving sand points use drive couplers. Also if water table is 25 feet you can go deeper and it still will pump. Hell ive had points hit crap water at 15 feet and perfect water after driving it 45. Also most sand points are 3-4 feet. Some have an unscrewable tip so you can couple 2-3 together and have 6-12 feet of screen especially if your having clogging issues. Just a few tips for you guys.
The jackhammer makes perfect sense!....Now, go get a patent on the coupling you made and reap the financial benefits of your hard work;
AGREE!
Did you ever get the well driven?
They already have special fittings for driving well pipe. The typical fittings are designed as a long solid round steel bar with a lip. Imagine a long 12” Giant nail, that fits tightly into the pipe itself, with a head that is slightly wider than the drive coupling.
It's not a jackhammer, it's a 110V electric hammer
Hope it works out Karl ! With any luck you’ve shaken things up enough by using the jackhammer that the water finds that standpoint. Fingers crossed and looking forward to the follow up video. Take care
Thanks Tony! I’m going to try to find somebody that can professionally weld that tool back together for me. Hopefully I can get back at it next week. Stay blessed
Here in SD we use a crowbar to witch for water, by balancing it in your hand. When you come to underground water vain the front of the bar will start pointing down. If you stay there it will pump up and down. Each pump is 1 gallon of water. Then turn 90° and the bar will swing back and forth sideways. Each full swing is 10 ft to water. For example 10 swings is 100 ft to water.
Thank you so much for the info. I will give it a try in the spring. It’s great to hear from South Dakota. We have family in Hot Springs. Stay blessed.
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any videos of this?
Great job in Las Vegas you would need to get to about 1500 to 2000 feet to get any good water and it still would not taste well, love your channel! Best of luck.
Wow! That just blows me away. We have standing water all around me I’m not sure why I haven’t hit water yet. Thanks for your encouragement hopefully we hit water soon
That's insane.
As an electrician I have used this same method to drive 10ft. ground rods for years. Works great 👍
Have you ever tried a gallon of water? I have driven a ground rod by hand in under a minute without hitting it once.
@@clintonrawls694 At the time I lived in VA. There were a lot of rock. Now I live by a lake and it's all sand. Most of them I can just push them in half way and then use a hammer. Just depends on the dirt ✌️
I was thinking it might be easier to make an adapter for the pipe to fit in a rod driver. Its already on the market and no reason to reinvent the wheel.
Thanks for sharing this video I love the jack hammer. Sorry that you did not hit water.
Thank you so much for watching. I didn’t hit water on this one but fortunately your next attempt we got lucky.
It's not a jackhammer, it's a 110V electric hammer
Oh, man. Praying for a good outcome. Very good video with a lot of great information
Thank you very much we really need the prayers! Hopefully we hit water soon. It’s always great to hear from you
Genius, i have seen many vids of this kinda well being installed other than having a post driver on some heavy equipment this is by far the next better option.
Thank you very much! Putting in a Sandpoint well can be a real pain in the butt, but this method sure makes it easy. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment !!
I put the well in on my place by hand, here in north central Florida you have to get down about 110 to 150 ft deep,the first one I done was with 2 (2x12x16 ) ft board made a tower over the pipe put a pully at the top eye hook screw and the heaviest oak log i could lift and for 8 hrs a day for a week I drove that pipe 132' through clay,limerock finally hit the spring,the one I done for my daughter and her man I rented a skid steer with a post driver it only took 4 hrs to go 220'
What kind of extensions you use ?
Great job Karl. Can you do a video or post a message of the names and materials required to do a well like yours. I am planning on installing 2 to 3 of these wells. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
God Bless you and your family.
I will do an update video this spring once the frost comes out of the ground. I Purchased all of the materials from our local Ace hardware store. The people that worked there were extremely helpful and informed me what materials I would all need. Check out some of my other videos on well drilling I do go through the materials I used.
That definitely went down fast! Man I could tell you some stories of the good times I’ve had trying to drive a well! 7 times and still nothing!
I've watched every well pipe you put in, love your channel, the girls and Isaac make it fun. Always work smarter not harder, God gave us tools, imagine eating meat without a fire. A sandpoint without a jackhammer or a Whipple's 100lbs slide hammer is crazy. Can your tractor bucket push it down just wondering?
@@kevs6592 my little 45 horse Kubota doesn’t have much downward force. I think hammering with it would just beat it to death! 😆 Thought about rigging up a driller for a 4 inch with my auger attachment. Been busy leveling the pad for the new cabin.
I believe I’m not too far away from you. I am closer to Iron River and Crystal Falls. It’s tough to find water up here without hitting rocks etc...Eventually you’re going to hit water brother, If you ever need any help let me know and I would be glad to lend you a helping hand. “US-2 rental” has a little bit better set up than I do and they will rent it by the day. It’s great to hear from you, I love your channel
The rental stores in our area have that well driving tool for the jackhammer. It's a little bit different than yours but they work great.
They are a true blessing to have. I was able to drive my last well in 15 minutes once I was set up. Thanks for taking the time to comment, have a great week!
Please share the link to that rental part. I live in Ohio and have not been able to locate such a part. Thanks.
Thanks for posting and the whole thing. As a mechanical designer, the one thing that came to mind about the tool breakage is carbonizarion at the weld. If there is hardened material welded, there is essentially a brittlization at or near weld because the carbon has been drawn to a certain area.
Thank you for your input! I had a feeling that is why the weld was failing. I think on the next one that I make I will see if I can find somebody that will forge everything in one piece. Thanks again, have a great week
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 there is a tool for driving fence posts with a jackhammer like tool, maybe that would work.
You can run a sandpoint as deep as you're able to pound it. The water level is the factor. If you're 60' down but your water table is only 20 feet down, you're only pulling it from that 20' level with the pump.
You are absolutely correct, thank you for sharing!
Hand pumps only do 25 ft powered pumps can do more.
Many years ago I drove one in the UP of MI. Went down 35 feet before we hit water, but it sought a level in the pipe close to ground level. Still using it 40 some years later. Easiest priming hand pump ya ever saw. We did that one with a 60 pound home-made hand pounder.
Thanks for taking the time to comment It’s great to hear of your experience. There’s nothing quite as fulfilling as been self-sufficient.
I came across this from a web search on sand point well and I appreciate your work and effort that went into it, though the bit broke.
Thank you! I repaired the driver and the very next attempt we hit water within 15 minutes. Thanks for watching
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 that's great!
Like your videos. The quality of the video was 100% except it seemed the audio was all over the place. Can't wait for the next Video. Thank you for the time you take for this awesome content.
Thank you so much Eric I appreciate your encouragement. Sorry about the audio I am just an old blue collar worker that doesn’t know much about electronics, lol.Have an awesome week I appreciate you taking the time to comment, hopefully the videos get better
Awesome. I think I’ll have better luck with water where I’m going to do mine. Thanks for the tips
Great to hear. I hope you hit water right away. We finally got water on our second try. Have an awesome week
Best sandpoint well video I have seen.
Thank you!!
Still a great video, thanks for sharing your ideas.
Thank you so much. Luckily, on my second video, I hit it.
Awesome video thanks for sharing. Stay well and safe out there.
Thanks friend I appreciate your support! Have a great week
Wow! That worked great. Too bad that your homemade bit broke. I hope that you hit water.
Friday after work my wife and I went to Townsend WI to pick up a small boat. On our way home we ate at Paur Haus Bar & Grill in Lakewood on Hwy 32. I told my wife that I'm not sure what route that you take to get to your cabin but it would have been pretty cool if we seen you. Take care and have a great week.
Dang I must’ve just missed you. We go through Townsend, Wabeno, Leona, and then take Highway 139 up to the cabin.
I am going to try to have a professional weld the driver back together and give it a shot next week or as soon as I get the bit back. I am just praying we hit water soon you never know how deep it is. The next time you come down into Wisconsin we need to hit the fish fry at Roadhouse 139 in the town of long lake. It’s awesome. Take care, it was nice catching up with you.
Great video thank you for sharing your wisdom
Thank you so much for watching!!
I'm sorry for jumping the gun! I found it the next video I watched! Great job! Hopefully I can hit water here in Georgia. I'll let you know!
@@NakedEmperor sounds great! Good luck keep us informed
EXCELLENT video, and really a fantastic way to drive those lengths home! Fingers are crossed for you sir🤞 Can't wait to see water coming out of that pump👍✌
Thanks for the encouragement I’m really hoping we hit water. I have a couple of tricks up my sleeve yet, lol. Stay safe
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 Yes sir, you too. I've got some property I've been wanting to drive a shallow well on, and I've been watching a few of you to see how to go about it. Your's took the gold medal so far🤣 Good luck, God bless😃👍✌🤞🤙🇺🇲
Such an amazing video. Thank you for sharing.
Man! That jackhammer is so fast! I would love to have that setup to put in my well!
It's not a jackhammer, it's a 110V electric hammer
Very cool enjoyed this
Thanks for watching
Simply but excellent idea
Many thanks
Thanks friend!!
Love the jack hammer idea. So cool
Thank you for watching
It's not a jackhammer, it's a 110V electric hammer
Same idea as pounding rods into footings with the attachment at box stores
Great idea. Looked easier than the sledge hammer method. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching
Hoping for your opinion...I live high on a hill. There's some ledge here and there I believe. I have a artisan well that's 300 feet but want a back up. I have a section that's standing water in the spring but dry in summer. It does sit there after rain though. I wonder if I'd hit water in that section. I have very sandy soil in other places on my land but I think I'm closer to ledge in those areas. If I put a sand point in the area of the marshy area and I don't hit water I saw some people who were able to remove the sand point with a bumper jack and clean them and reinstall them. I wonder if that's possible so I can keep trying until I hit water instead of buying a new one each time.
Yes you can remove your Sandpoint with a farmers jack and reuse the point again in a new location. As far as finding water goes I would check your local DNR water table charts. They can give you a pretty good idea on where your most likely to find water. Surprisingly enough I have seen people hit water on tops of hills, it all depends on where your water table is. The area by you that has standing water for part of the year could be a good area to try. You never know maybe it just holds water because there’s clay underneath it, it’s kind of a gamble. Good luck I hope you find it
Good vedio, learned alot. I hope you hit water.
Thank you very much. We ended up hitting water on our very next attempt it took 15 minutes. Check out my video playlist. I have it on there.
You can also jackhammer it by putting pipe or rod down the center that is impacting directly on the back of the wellpoint head. That way you're not stressing the wellpoint exterior, pipes or couplings.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this with us. I appreciate appreciate the advice.
You can buy an actual cupped bit for this! Just make sure the cup size and shank are right. Amazon has these as well as other tool places typically called post or stake driver bits. About $50-75 and they are solid. Commercial tent guys use this for big tents driving the stakes right into asphalt parking lots.
That's where I got the idea from at least 6 or 7 tears ago. I bought the bit and have driven several points with it and loaned it out for several more. It works great!! A couple tips. Use good pipe dope and retighten pipe every couple feet or so. Also, if outside, work off the bed of a pickup. a lot safer than a ladder.
I've done a lot of wellpoints and this is the way to go!
You’re awesome my friend. Thank you so much for sharing the info. I am grateful that you took the time to comment and watching the video, thanks again.
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 Thanks! I'm always on the lookout for better ways to do things and I enjoy sharing what I;ve learned!
Great job love your work can you explain how you made your setup bite and jack hammer i just started an off grind project and i hall water in i need this did you get an updated version done yet
I’m in the process of trying to get a patent. I’ll keep you posted in the upcoming videos.
Dang I like this. I’m a professional tree climber. I’ve got some pretty tall pine trees I can double or triple tie-into (for stability, like a crane rigging bridal) so I don’t need a ladder!
Tie-in HIGH and you can walk out further.
I’ve got some good ideas, I might make a video out of this lol!
Curious what permits or forms did you have to fill out to pound in a well?
Do many places now have 30 pages of documents on putting in your own well.
Every state varies, check with your local DNR they regulate all of the rules and permits required. Thanks for watching
Man I pray you hit water 💧 🙏! Good video Karl!!
Thanks Eddie I can use all the prayers I can get. I appreciate your support!
It is good to see real humans enduring real trials and being able to overcome! Praise the Lord!
Thank you so much for watching! We were blessed with water our next attempt. Here is a link to the video where we finally hit water. Enjoy
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@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I have noticed that you could possibly use some circular cement drill bits to take the place of the driver for your jack hammer. Saw some fairly inexpensive ones the other day.
I used my log splitter as a base and bolted at Derek on the back of it I use the hydraulics to drill and pound my wells . The soils in my area of Wisconsin were too tough. I have a couple of videos on my RUclips channel. Static water level by the way is 33 ft deep here so I had to use a 2in casing and a deep well jet kit
I checked out your videos this afternoon and it looks like you have some great ideas. Now that I have a working well it would be easy for me to use your style of drilling. I would like to drill another well closer to the cabin
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I wonder if putting water in the well pipe as you pound it would help any.
When welding a hard material to a soft material, you must pre-heat the material, and wrap it in a fiberglass blanket or cover with sand to cool slowly for the weld to stand up to the application you are using it for. Remember pre-heating using temperature sticks so you reach the welding requirements outlined in references tables. I hope this helps you in future projects.
Thank you so much for sharing the info a lot of people will benefit from it. That’s pretty much exactly the procedure I used. I also ground a huge bevel in the area that I was welding. I’m thinking that the problem may come from the two different types of material that I’m trying to weld together. I have been welding, a real hot bead so I think I’m getting good penetration, but for some reason the weld shears after I start using the bit for about a half an hour. I am to the point where I think I am going to have the peace cast all in one, and then have it heat treated
That is a fast way to get it done, I just don't have a jack hammer. I am considering a Harbor freight mud pump and hydro drill my next well I install. But your method looks easier and perhaps renting a jack hamer would be the way to go.
In the area where I have my cabin, I don’t have a water source to drive a Hydro drill, I sure would like to try that method. The jackhammer method is just way more simple. Thank you so much for watching ,Good luck in your ventures.
Damn the risk of getting on the ladder. That was a brilliant idea 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you
Are you able to recover the pipe already driven? Did I catch that your pump was good for the 25’ but not for the 50’? What sizes pump/Gpm do you have? Just Curious
I am going to be using a basic pitcher pump. Usually you can only drive a shallow well 25 feet but recently I learned how to drive it up to 50 feet with a few modifications. I would have to pull all 25 feet out of the ground to do so. I definitely have my hands full on this one.
Im looking at shallow well options. After looking at whats out there, i thought the jackhammer & jig was a genius idea. Beef up the jig and you got licked. Thanks for posting it.
Thanks for posting this and I really like this method (working smarter, not harder). Not sure if there was a follow up video, but given your issue with your homemade well driver bit, I am wondering if it is possible to use the extension you created and just drop a standard jackhammer bit into it and pound it down? Just sacrifice that coupler and extension. I have no experience in this but finding a well driver bit has been a challenge for me. Thanks!
Thank you so much for watching, The bit that I had made fits into any jackhammer. I have heard of some people using a post hole driver for a jackhammer but I don’t know much about it. If you decide to go this route make sure you are constantly tightening the pipe otherwise you will do damage to the joints.Eventually I hit water at another well that I was doing at the same time here is a link to that video: Driving a Sandpoint well quickly and efficiently #drivingasandpoint #drillingforwater
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For sure brother. I used 60lb chipping hammer from local rental business. It worked great👌
Glad to hear it worked out
You can actually use the dowsing rods to determine the approximate depth of the water. They will respond to yes or no questions. Stand at the indicated spot and mentally or even out loud say is the water more than 5 feet deep? Continue this adding 5 feet at a time to the question until the rods respond. It may sound crazy but it works. If you want to go one step further, you can ask what GPM you can get. Use small increments like half a gallon a min. etc. until you get a response.
You sure did well and showed the ways to do it..
Thanks for watching!!
a sweatshirt it was 90 here in NY today hope there is water there for you nothing goes easy always a rock in the last 5 foot
It was so warm but a sweatshirt was all I had to keep the mosquitoes off of me.The first 4 feet were brutal I didn’t include that in the video but it was solid rock. Hopefully we hit water soon
Did you check for water every 30" using a tape measure down the pipe? You can easily miss the water and drive the sand point right past the pocket or stream bed.
@@MacCountyCabin I checked every 5 feet. I switched my location in my next Sandpoint well video and hit water in 15 minutes.Thank you so much for the comment, have an awesome week
Fastest well point install I ever saw ,he pushed it down with a backhoe.
That would be fast but not everybody has $40,000 laying around for a backhoe
@Big Da since the lead in video shows using one to push over trees. I thought there might be access to a backhoe , maybe a rental ?
My concern for my plot is the rock. I thought about this system I'm just worried I get 20 ft down and hit rock, then what? Lol but it's just missouri limestone
Rock makes everything miserable😂 We have a ton of Fieldstone here. I feel your pain. Good luck.
Karl have to say that's a great was of doing it . To bad it broke off but i did want to see a close up of it , nice job on the part. hope all works out and you hit water.
I’ll make sure I show A close-up view on the next video. Thanks, I hope we hit water next week
mistakes are a learning curve weld your driver back together with low hydrogen rod (7016/24)it will last for a while the welds work harden and get brittle you can anneal them by throwing them in a fire and getting them red hot, let it cool slowly, you can repeat the repair process a few times, you can also get gasoline powered drivers, I use both to drive 2 inch fence posts, thanks for the clip keep out of the city nothing beats living bush I have been living off grid for 50 years
@@deborahpercy4226 thank you so much for the info! I appreciate you taking the time to share. Have an awesome week.
This isn't about this video in particular but do you remember you were asking for ideas for the outhouse? I had recommended a RUclips channel called Bramante brothers. They own an off grid wilderness lodge in Alaska. Anyhow, I just came across the video I think you/your wife would be really interested in. Go to their playlist and it's in season 1 episode 34 😁👍
Yes I remember. I am subscribed to them I will have my wife check it out. Thank you very much!
Those jackhammer are the way to go . We've been using them for last 20 plus years.
It really is the way to go, hopefully I can get the driver re-welded and hit some water soon. Thanks for the comment it’s great to hear from you
Neat trick. Karls are kool! Cheers from FL.
😂 Karl’s are cool! Thanks for watching
Very inspiring video! I know you didn't succeed this time, but I'm sure you will! This helps me with a cabin I'm trying to get a pump on, so thanks for the ideas! I'm going to thumb up and subscribe to help your channel! Happy New Year!
Thank you so much for subscribing, welcome to the channel !! Eventually I will come back to this well but I did hit water at another location. I will leave a link to that video. Good luck with your well and your cabin Build. Thank you for your support.
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Jackhammer is $132/day where I live. Same jackhammer is $3,100. I am right next to a flood plane with a high water table. High enough the guy across the street from me can't put in a pool because the table is too high. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for sharing this
My pleasure! Thanks for taking the time to watch
We are working on our well and found your video. I don't have that piece you made what else can I use??
Not sure what else, maybe a fence post driver?
I'm using PVC to drive my hole. 45 feet down so far. Using pressure washer to push all the clay out. Hoping to get to the sand which is first aquafier
Great to hear! We’re praying that you hit water soon. Keep us posted I have always wanted to try to drill a well that way. I see lots of people are very successful with that method. Good luck!
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I tried the pressure washer trick this past summer, worked to some extent as I was using an electric washer only 1700 psi wouldn't push the sand up past 10 feet or so and sand buried the pvc and washer hose. Got her done anyway by pounding the extra 2 feet , pretty lucky water table is so high. I would like more info on your bit cause i pulled my point for the winter but will do it again this coming summer.
@@vicktdock I pretty much just fabricated my own bit from a jackhammer chipping bit and some round stock that I welded together. I’m still trying to determine if it would be worth the money for me to invest in bringing this bit to the market for sale.If I do decide to market the idea I will post it on my channel 1st
What did you use and where did you get the material to make the bit. I'm going to buy a Post driver . I'm 78 and I can't use the hand driver anymore.
The post driver should work just as well. It’s a little bit smaller in diameter so make sure that you use a sacrificial nipple and coupling while driving the pipe. Good luck, best wishes
Im glad you shared it,Im looking at doing similar as you are
I’m glad to help. The best advice I can give you talk to your neighbors or check with your municipality to see how deep your water table is. You’re not guaranteed to hit water right away.Best of luck Thanks for watching!
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I have an old well from 1900 Im trying to drain it.Its pretty cool.I fig I might go down with a sand point in the center.8ft down it starts to get hard like maybe sand rock..
@@scottwilson6957 Great idea, Sounds like that should work pretty good. Sounds like you’re pretty much guaranteed water. Let us know how it goes.
So would you consider "renting" said jackhammer adapter? I have a chunk of land near Dryden, Ontario (I live in the land of the Hodag) that I'll be putting a cabin on in the coming 1-2 years and was going to drive a point there. Let me know...
I’m trying to get a patent on it. If things work out I will get back to you. Thanks for watching
Never thought of using my elec. Jack hammer. Thanks
Thanks for watching
Thanks bro.... JJ... from dirty Jersey next to filthy Philadelphia.....
God bless dirty Jersey.Have a great week
Great job!! Thank you for sharing. How many feet down you had to go??
I have seen another video here on you-tube. They had to go down 60 feet.
I went about 35 feet. After missing Water on this attempt I moved the location to another spot on the property and hit water at about 15 feet. Thank you so much for watching and commenting!!
Genius I was thinking about a gas powered post driver but the jack hammer is definitely the way to go.
This is definitely the easiest way I know of. I am all about working smarter rather than harder, lol. Thanks for watching!
Is it dirt and clay there ? I wanna install one on my land and its not sandy . Your area looks like similar soil.
It’s mostly Clay but I do have some random pockets of sand.I wish you the best it’s really fun to be self sufficient hopefully you hit water
Karl, can you tell me the model number of the jack hammer you used? I did one after seeing this and the jackhammer I used wasnt as smooth nor was it as fast. I'm thinking I might have rented too large of one. I used a Hilti also but it was much more violent of an action than it looks like yours is doing, thanks
Very informative video Karl, sorry that bit failed on you! Cant wait for part two. So your at about twenty? I bet you put a string down to test. Fingers crossed for you my friend! Thanks for the video!
The old string has been coming back dry but hopefully we hit water soon. Any tricks you can share?This one really has me worried. Hopefully we hit water next week, stay safe
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 I wish there was a trick I could share. The terrain between our properties seem pretty different. I'm very sandy and somewhat swampy. Water is pretty much guaranteed. Wish I had something for you as you are doing everything right. I just don't know your area. Best of luck next week!
Thanks for the video! Is that pipe 2 inch? What brand of Sandpoint is that? Looks nice, well done!
@@PrePaidTeam the pipe I was using was 1 1/4” galvanized drive piping, i’m not sure what brand drive point it was, but I purchased it from Ace Hardware stores. Thank you very much for watching.
I ran into a serious issue while trying to hand drive my well. I attached the Sandpoint with the coupling and the first length of 5 foot pipe, all 1 1/4 inch, I attached the 1-1/4" WELL DRIVE PT CAP and utilized a fence post driver (the kind you use to drive T posts) and a sledge hammer to begin driving the pipe. I drove the pipe approximately 7 feet down with approximately 8” of the well pipe and drive cap showing. When I was ready to attach the next length of pipe I could not get the drive cap off. The cap spun and spun but would not come off. I had to use an angle grinder to cut it off, which revealed that the well pipe was fluted at the top (damaged) and the threads seriously mangled. I can’t imagine hand driving to do this kind of damage, could it be I hit something at the bottom that the Sandpoint could not penetrate resulting in damage to the pipe? Has anyone else ever run into an issue with the drive cap not coming off? The only other issue may be a hand tighten the drive cap I did not tighten it with a wrench, could that have led to this failure? I plan on picking up new material and trying the well in a different location, does anyone have any recommendations or advice?
This is going to sound ridiculous but you have to tighten every joint really really tight or you will run into problems like this. The deeper you have your threads tightened into the drive couplings or drive cap the more surface area absorbs the shock of the hammering and you will have less of a chance of damaging the pipe or the cap.
If you put a “1 1/4 stack clamp” around your damaged pipe you can use a floor jack to pull your old pipe out of the ground. Good luck/best wishes
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 thank you very much for this info
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 How would you attach the stack clamp to a floor jack? I think I found the stack clamp online, where would the attachment point be?
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 when I searched “stack clamp” I found this: The Plumber's Choice 1-1/4 in. Riser Clamp in Galvanized Steel. Is this the right piece?
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isn't it also possible to acces the water table by pumping water from the top, preferably pressurised water to make the water table seep water to the pipe?
Possibly. I’m not sure what the right answer is on that
So I have a natural water course running through my property, but it’s only a couple of feet down and a gentle trickle how would I harness this,
I am not completely sure how you would do that. In this part of the country we usually have larger deposits of water in which the Sandpoint works perfectly. Good luck
Question, are the couplings you're using to join the 5ft pipes all drive couplings or are you using drive couplings only on the short pipe with the hammer?
hi Mark it’s great to hear from you. All of the couplings that I am using are drive couplings. With the force of the jackhammer the only drawback is that it tends to smash the threads on the first coupling and the sacrificial short piece of pipe before the drive pipe. The other thing I forgot to mention in the video is you have to check regularly for water. It is real easy to pass it by. If you have anymore questions don’t be afraid to email me at Karl’soffthegrid@gmail.com
I think it would be great to brainstorm with you, I’d like to hear about your standpoint
Does your pipe screw all the way into the drive couplings? I bought pipe and couplings at menards, and I don’t think they go together far enough. I messed up a piece of pipe.
One thing that I have learned since making the video is to make sure you are constantly tightening the joints. If you run into any hard spots in the ground, the joints could start to fail. Usually when you stop and tighten the pipe every minute or two, you will be less likely to have any damage to any other joints. Don’t be afraid to tighten the pipe as hard as you possibly can, The tighter, the better.
@@karlsoffthegrid1378 with the recessed couplings thought the threads should go in farther
@@robinbowman8488 it all depends on how the threads were cut. If the threads were cut deeper, it’s easier to bury the pipe into the threads.
INGENIOUS ! I MAY JUST HAVE TO INSTALL ONE. I BELIEVE I HIT GROUND WATER AT 8-10 FEET AS I'M ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM TAMPA BAY. I JUST HAVE TO TEST THE WATER QUALITY AS I GO FOR SALINITY. PUBLIC WATER IN MY TOWN IS OUTRAGEOUS!
Thank you so much sir! It really makes the search for water a pleasure. Good luck, I hope you hit water!