She's right to ask for a refund for the part of education she didn't receive! Since one has to pay to go to uni, it's only fair to expect the service to be comprehensive.
If You Cannot Refund, Then University Professors Cannot Talk About The Whole GROWING UP EXPERIENCE, That Students Were Deprived Off, During COVID ! Yet, The Universities Took The Full Fee, Without Proving The Full Experience ! UNFAIR ! REFUND !
Education isn't something you can just refund.. You have learnt things you otherwise wouldn't. Those are things you take with you, almost life skills. Once you have absorbed the information, you cannot dissolve it..
I went and left university today, I am 29 years old and thought I’d do a degree, I went as a mature student, I took lectures for two weeks, nothing was learnt guys I cannot explain to you how bad it was. Just PowerPoint. I couldn’t justify paying 9.2k “yes after earning 27k” + maintenance costs!!!!!
My degree fee were less than 10k for three years. I graduated in 2011. If I graduated 3 years later I would pay around 30k for the exactly the same degree. So, triple the cost for exactly the same degree. I don’t see how that’s fair.
Do you know that international students pay multiple that of home students (in my case 21500 per year for PhD while UK students pay 4400 per year) and I received poor supervision (in fact no supervision at all), so a PhD is equivalent to providing a PC with access to papers n he Internet and you are then in your own, no knowledge transfer at all and it is worthless
@@medad5413 back in my days international students used to pay 9k per year ;) would have been an easier pill swallow, wouldn’t it? Also before Brexit any student from EU was considered to be home student.
@@twisted_void it is a Russell group uni in addition now the prices of everything inflated. But the point is if you use international students to subsidise fees for home students, then provide quality education, ensure they receive something in return for their investment by going to what should be a developed country
If You Cannot Refund, Then University Professors Cannot Talk About The Whole GROWING UP EXPERIENCE, That Students Were Deprived Off, During COVID ! Yet, The Universities Took The Full Fee, Without Proving The Full Experience ! UNFAIR ! REFUND !
The issue is with the Student Loans Company which runs the lending programmes. They are free to increase the interest rates at any time, even if you have signed fixed rate contract. Last year my rates were changed without a letter and added 5 years to my repayments. This is a government organisation so it’s any easy way to generate extra taxes.
These system of charging interest on money lending has always been fraud and works in favour of the rich.If you have time to study ,just look at islamic economy and how it works.
If You Cannot Refund, Then University Professors Cannot Talk About The Whole GROWING UP EXPERIENCE, That Students Were Deprived Off, During COVID ! Yet, The Universities Took The Full Fee, Without Proving The Full Experience ! UNFAIR ! REFUND !
Studying in the UK for one year was such a bad experience for me. I did the rest of my studies in Denmark and the quality of education is simply incomparable, not mentioning it was free! Seeing all the young people in the UK already being in debt from the age of 18 is simply sad and you can feel how skeptical and disappointed they are about their life from such a young age.
To be fair, refund is a good start to make a good impression not only for national students but also for the international students since uk gets huge numbers of students every year. Like he said north of england is just reliant on students for their livings.
@@bdh711 Oh don’t get me wrong i think it’s all about fairness. Students feel they did not deserve what they’ve got to deserve so ask for the right. It’s kinda sad like deviding and withdrawing some parts of the group..we are all students…struggle to make ends meet…no offense or anything..
@@bdh711Absolutely not you're being unfair!! International students are the backbone of the British universities and they pay a hefty amount to study in the uk. The service doesn't sometimes meet the price, hence the necessity of the refund.
@@jeenadjo1238 a lot of them get loans which may never be paid back. If they are a masters+ student I can understand but doing an undergrad in a foreign country is silly
@@bdh711 doing so would just discourage other international students from coming because you look like inconsiderate ppl who just want their money, which would cause problems considering international students fund majority of universities.
As an international student, I studied in both Belgium (KUL) and the UK (KCL) for the last few years. UK universities charge a high amount of tuition, and the living cost is also staggering, while in Belgium I enjoy the really low pay as same as the locals (
The tuition fees went up and never came back down. I studied at a UK university (MSc) from 2013 to 2017, and the total tuition was around 20k. Now, it’s more than twice as expensive. Ask them how many more staff they hired during the lockdown; that’s why the costs increased drastically, along with greed.
It's better to do practical work, to help save up and allow one to to also earn whilst you learn. E.g. working a part 3 day a week job whilst doing a Bachlors or Masters. I saved up the past five years to enable me to pay for a Masters degree tuition. The bonus is also working in a role relevant to degree programme. We live in a world pushing young people to do everything in a shortspace of time instead of pacing oneself.
Nordic, German and French universities usually don't charge fees. In such a case studying is an enjoyable and less risky experience. But, where students invest thousands of dollars/pounds, then the financial burden is carried forward. Also, apart from the top 5 or 7 UK Universities, others don't actually help students develop skills. What is the point of getting a degree if there is zero skill development and skill deficits in the economy persist? Not worth investing time or money!! Better opt for a polytechnic.
Yes we still have a choice between a Degree and a technical Trade - electrician plumber plasterer roofer boiler technician ..all these trades attract high incomes..There is then tension between a Degree in Electrical engineering and a draft man in Electrical Power Systems. The draft man would have 3/4 years work experience . Whereas the Degree engineer will start with a lower salary plus a £70,000 Student Loan.
Yes....I Agree ...But Only To The Extent.....If You're Gonna Start Your Career.....As Self Employed ....Only With Taxes To Pay To HMRC....Until You Retire On Your Own.... Probably....But If I Join An Organization....With A Technical Diploma.....I Will Still Need A Degree....Or More For A PROMOTION.....But Can I Then .... Work....And Still Continue Education ????? Will My Online Degree Hold Any Good ???!??
I graduated last year in Financial Sciences and got an upper second class honours 67% and have been unable to find a job and now stuck with £80K in debt.
University does not teach practical skills but it was not a total waste of money... My perspective has widened and the depth of my thinking has been developed. University should be a place for learning and growth. The extortionate fee only divides people and unequal access to a better education for a wider population.
Where I am, the issue isn't just the cost, it's what's available. It's an almost 4 hour round trip by car to the closest place to do my business degree. It's 6hr round trip by public transport. There's a lot of poverty where I am in the UK as there's so few educational opportunities.
In my country Education is totally free + the government pay money for all the students monthly 200$ even In holidays to help them with expenses. Idk why the UK (and other countries) making it so hard for its people to be Educated. If you think of it those students will help the country by working and earning money, they will help the growth of the country. Yet they are making it easy for the children to ruin their lives and do illegal activities.
The issue here is that they are running an education business. To attract more students, they lower the entry requirements for English language certificates. Meanwhile, lenders might increase interest rates, which can disadvantage students. Additionally, international students face difficulties with restrictions on part-time work and the high cost of living in major cities due to rising inflation. To alleviate financial burdens, students can seek scholarships, grants, and suitable part-time jobs
Honestly, universities should be state funded in the UK, and unis/courses that are not delivering quality degrees and don't improve should be shut down. Education is an investment in our people, and shouldn't be locking anyone in a lifetime of debt. I only support fee charging in unis that can actually differentiate themselves from the rest, top 5 at most, and even there it should at most be supplementary. It's nonsense to be charging these fees from people who can't ever even repay them. I say this as someone who has repaid their student fees, but mine were under £15k for 4 years! Having £80-90k is a whole mortgage in some parts of the country, and it makes no sense to saddle people with that if they will never have the income to pay it.
I finished my master degree when Covid was well over and we were allowed to meet. My uni decided to keep all lectures online. I feel scammed because I didn’t get the chance to meet my peers and network. What’s the benefit of going if you can’t get good lectures and make friends?
No, once you become an adult at 18, you should be able to pay for yourself. The problem is that the government is promoting dependence and delayed adulthood by cutting apprenticeships, internships, work as you learn jobs and entry-level jobs are asking for 5 years of experience. If employers hired people to pay for their education and vocation, the economy will be different today. Government is stagnating a large workforce every year each new cohort of young adults enter adult life.
Education is a privilege but not necessity in Britain. Many oversea students are turning away from Britain university as they can get better education standards in their own country.
@@jimmybob4306 I'd hope they had thought about it before hand being the so called cream of the crop....better still why not go on RUclips and winge how hard done you are by it all...a future employer gong love watching it!
@peteturner8493 I think that future employers are going to be understanding because they also have student loans as well. I also think that the main problem in university education in the uk is that we confuse it with Job training. This leads to students coming out of university with no idea of how to do the jobs they have and needing to be trained again by the company. So the way to solve the issue is fix the job training part (make it more ie make it more like Germany). Then replace student fees with a graduate tax to remove the pressure on students and not punish non grads. And stop forcing all students to go to university at the age of 18. Personally, I would love a university system that had more middle aged and elderly people who want to learn. Like I feel that a lot of people who are going to uni age 18 are just going because there are no other options and are wasting everyone’s time and money. Views?
@@jimmybob4306 I'll try to cover most of your points: believe a large majority go into uni with little idea of what to do afterwards. Who's forcing anyone to go to further education, probably best at age 18 or similar as so much harder later on in life. Who pays the Graduate tax the student? I'd hope your future employer having a student loan would be the exception not the rule!
I'm American, so this doesn’t quite translate at a 1 for 1 scale, but I think the refund talk is just getting the foot in the door to discuss the abysmal rates that students pay for education. It's a similar problem in the US. The rates for going to college are more than twice what it was for our parents. And in regards to Covid, networking is invaluable to breaking into the industry you want to work in. Universities did not provide that, nor the tactile work experience that many professionals NEED to even be considered for a job. I feel like the "invaluable experiences" that they talk about translates to many as "oh the young 20 somethings are sad they didn't go to house parties. Womp Womp." when the real conversation should be about the system is broken and needs to be fixed because it's not working.
The point the lecturer makes 15 minutes in, and a running theme throughout is that it's not a transaction it's about the wider experience of education which is flawed as this experience is a service delivered over 3/4 years with a specific product (degree) at the end. The experience varies but is part of the transaction. People in the comments can't seem to separate the product and the service component of a university when this issue is tackling the service being delivered. It's also very entertaining how every person in that room bar the student can say they sympathise while having recieved their degree for free or at a significant discount. I bet they sympathise.
True.10th class education is more than adequate to pursue ones vocation. Like any business proposal one needs to workout the viability of the business acumen. A similar exercise should be carried out for academic adventurism.
University students don't pay any fees at all in Sweden, all education is free of charge here. Every student is even given a monthly sum from the government as a financial support.
I am addressing here the producer who is the producer of this program In current affairs, the constant movement of the master camera distracts the audience.Register the person who is taken on Skype with the seat in the master camera.The constant movement of the camera makes the head dizzy and then the attention is distracted by the conversation.
Let’s be real there are some people who make more money from a skill set that require a degree. Skills that pay the bills that people don’t want to do ie plumber, electrician…… I attended University in The UK back in 2010-2013 and I am American.
I am trying to do the math... hypothetically if the school gives a refund in the argument that the education they got is a sham, then the degree is also is revoked. So technically she didn't graduate. So if she still wants a degree, its just gets more expensive overtime. So a degree is not important?
So UK national income (GDP) was £2.5 trillion last year….. ……and we don’t have the £3-4 billion that universities are currently lacking to make good the shortfall? Something is not right here.
The real gripe is to blame the British government and political leaders that have supported macroeconomic/trade policies such as Brexit that have destabilize the economy causing increased competition for jobs among college graduates. In a society with rigid social mobility, prospective college students from working-class backgrounds will find obtaining a college degree ever more elusive!
If this can be done.. which graduates would be silly to admit they get a "good education" and not ask for a refund. And if everyone wants a refund.. then you can close all the universities..
The first speaker is ironically asking for a refund 'due to strikes'- in her own words, while flaunting the P flag on her left ear. Millions of hours have been lost to university and public protests, on an issue that the institutes have little control over. She has not only been part of the problem, but also made fellow students lose valuable lecture time. Typical hypocrisy.
I don’t think she’s critical of the strikers but more likely the universities that failed to negotiate and listen to a highly unionised staff base which then caused strikes to happen
Got free uni because family poor. Graduated and got a supposedly good job that can only afford me to share rent with strangers else I’d be living paycheque to paycheque. What a waste of time.
Im going to assume here she did a degree in like 'Art' or 'History' or another degree which generally, unless your family has the contacts or you can be sure to establish them... is pointless, unless you settle to be a teacher. Im not sure what refund she wants, if shes not in higher paid work, she wont even have to pay for the degree she physically signed up for. Nobody has actually sold her anything, she found the course, and applied. It's not the Universities fault that she didn't do her homework. This is honestly like trying to return a car 4 years later because the sunroof wont open.
Useless degrees such as Modern Languages, Creative Writing and Film Studies should be closed for good. Such degrees are designed for the most incompetent and disengaged students (and taught by equally incompetent “professors”!).
Avoid as they say the arty farty subjects there are no job prospects. Please take my advice. These departments need to be closed down!!!!Don't go to university if you cannot become a qualified teacher, engineer or doctor
If you`re enrolling on a mickey mouse BA degree, don't be surprised if you can't find a decent paying job at the end of your stint, by which time you`ll probably be massively in debt. Sadly, you`d be much better off acquiring a universally valid skill set after leaving school.
@@shennnai you hear about that constantly, you don't hear about hamas killing 10 month old babies tho.. or killing innocent seniors waiting at a bus stop. Hamas are portrayed as the victims.
Still with this cost, students come here for study and govt don't want to give jobs to immigrants while they wants to give aslyum to illegal immirants. Reducing the higher salary for work visa would be a good thing to these students, atleast give jobs to these students than getting more people from abroad.
1960s UK politicians : Ill close down every effing grammar School in this country . . . Anthony crossland educated at Highgate 😂😂 I think it's funny that people in the UK today don't know who Anthony crossland is
She's right to ask for a refund for the part of education she didn't receive! Since one has to pay to go to uni, it's only fair to expect the service to be comprehensive.
University education is like going to the car boot sales - yes refund for junks
If You Cannot Refund, Then University Professors Cannot Talk About The Whole GROWING UP EXPERIENCE, That Students Were Deprived Off, During COVID ! Yet, The Universities Took The Full Fee, Without Proving The Full Experience ! UNFAIR ! REFUND !
Education isn't something you can just refund.. You have learnt things you otherwise wouldn't. Those are things you take with you, almost life skills. Once you have absorbed the information, you cannot dissolve it..
I went and left university today, I am 29 years old and thought I’d do a degree, I went as a mature student, I took lectures for two weeks, nothing was learnt guys I cannot explain to you how bad it was. Just PowerPoint. I couldn’t justify paying 9.2k “yes after earning 27k” + maintenance costs!!!!!
My degree fee were less than 10k for three years. I graduated in 2011. If I graduated 3 years later I would pay around 30k for the exactly the same degree. So, triple the cost for exactly the same degree. I don’t see how that’s fair.
Do you know that international students pay multiple that of home students (in my case 21500 per year for PhD while UK students pay 4400 per year) and I received poor supervision (in fact no supervision at all), so a PhD is equivalent to providing a PC with access to papers n he Internet and you are then in your own, no knowledge transfer at all and it is worthless
@@medad5413 back in my days international students used to pay 9k per year ;) would have been an easier pill swallow, wouldn’t it? Also before Brexit any student from EU was considered to be home student.
@@twisted_void it is a Russell group uni in addition now the prices of everything inflated. But the point is if you use international students to subsidise fees for home students, then provide quality education, ensure they receive something in return for their investment by going to what should be a developed country
If You Cannot Refund, Then University Professors Cannot Talk About The Whole GROWING UP EXPERIENCE, That Students Were Deprived Off, During COVID ! Yet, The Universities Took The Full Fee, Without Proving The Full Experience ! UNFAIR ! REFUND !
The issue is with the Student Loans Company which runs the lending programmes. They are free to increase the interest rates at any time, even if you have signed fixed rate contract. Last year my rates were changed without a letter and added 5 years to my repayments. This is a government organisation so it’s any easy way to generate extra taxes.
These system of charging interest on money lending has always been fraud and works in favour of the rich.If you have time to study ,just look at islamic economy and how it works.
If You Cannot Refund, Then University Professors Cannot Talk About The Whole GROWING UP EXPERIENCE, That Students Were Deprived Off, During COVID ! Yet, The Universities Took The Full Fee, Without Proving The Full Experience ! UNFAIR ! REFUND !
Studying in the UK for one year was such a bad experience for me. I did the rest of my studies in Denmark and the quality of education is simply incomparable, not mentioning it was free! Seeing all the young people in the UK already being in debt from the age of 18 is simply sad and you can feel how skeptical and disappointed they are about their life from such a young age.
To be fair, refund is a good start to make a good impression not only for national students but also for the international students since uk gets huge numbers of students every year. Like he said north of england is just reliant on students for their livings.
Not for international students, they chose to come here to study knowing how high the fees are. Every country has good unis
@@bdh711 Oh don’t get me wrong i think it’s all about fairness. Students feel they did not deserve what they’ve got to deserve so ask for the right. It’s kinda sad like deviding and withdrawing some parts of the group..we are all students…struggle to make ends meet…no offense or anything..
@@bdh711Absolutely not you're being unfair!! International students are the backbone of the British universities and they pay a hefty amount to study in the uk. The service doesn't sometimes meet the price, hence the necessity of the refund.
@@jeenadjo1238 a lot of them get loans which may never be paid back. If they are a masters+ student I can understand but doing an undergrad in a foreign country is silly
@@bdh711 doing so would just discourage other international students from coming because you look like inconsiderate ppl who just want their money, which would cause problems considering international students fund majority of universities.
As an international student, I studied in both Belgium (KUL) and the UK (KCL) for the last few years. UK universities charge a high amount of tuition, and the living cost is also staggering, while in Belgium I enjoy the really low pay as same as the locals (
The tuition fees went up and never came back down.
I studied at a UK university (MSc) from 2013 to 2017, and the total tuition was around 20k. Now, it’s more than twice as expensive.
Ask them how many more staff they hired during the lockdown; that’s why the costs increased drastically, along with greed.
It's better to do practical work, to help save up and allow one to to also earn whilst you learn.
E.g. working a part 3 day a week job whilst doing a Bachlors or Masters.
I saved up the past five years to enable me to pay for a Masters degree tuition.
The bonus is also working in a role relevant to degree programme.
We live in a world pushing young people to do everything in a shortspace of time instead of pacing oneself.
Nordic, German and French universities usually don't charge fees. In such a case studying is an enjoyable and less risky experience. But, where students invest thousands of dollars/pounds, then the financial burden is carried forward.
Also, apart from the top 5 or 7 UK Universities, others don't actually help students develop skills.
What is the point of getting a degree if there is zero skill development and skill deficits in the economy persist?
Not worth investing time or money!!
Better opt for a polytechnic.
Yes we still have a choice between a Degree and a technical Trade - electrician plumber plasterer roofer boiler technician ..all these trades attract high incomes..There is then tension between a Degree in Electrical engineering and a draft man in Electrical Power Systems. The draft man would have 3/4 years work experience . Whereas the Degree engineer will start with a lower salary plus a £70,000 Student Loan.
Yes....I Agree ...But Only To The Extent.....If You're Gonna Start Your Career.....As Self Employed ....Only With Taxes To Pay To HMRC....Until You Retire On Your Own.... Probably....But If I Join An Organization....With A Technical Diploma.....I Will Still Need A Degree....Or More For A PROMOTION.....But Can I Then .... Work....And Still Continue Education ????? Will My Online Degree Hold Any Good ???!??
My son is a British student but he rejected offers from UCL and Manchester for universities in Hong Kong. It is too expensive to study in the UK.
Hong Kong cheaper than manchester? Lol
@@givenchy3334 I know right? Hong Kong is one of the most expensive places to live in the world
@@givenchy3334 Probably got a scholarship. There's lots of them available for the academically superior, unlike the UK
Same here mine one got a chance to go through LSE but rejected only due to money
Problem.
I sent him to France. He's living quite good life now.
I graduated last year in Financial Sciences and got an upper second class honours 67% and have been unable to find a job and now stuck with £80K in debt.
University does not teach practical skills but it was not a total waste of money... My perspective has widened and the depth of my thinking has been developed. University should be a place for learning and growth. The extortionate fee only divides people and unequal access to a better education for a wider population.
Where I am, the issue isn't just the cost, it's what's available. It's an almost 4 hour round trip by car to the closest place to do my business degree. It's 6hr round trip by public transport. There's a lot of poverty where I am in the UK as there's so few educational opportunities.
In my country Education is totally free + the government pay money for all the students monthly 200$ even In holidays to help them with expenses.
Idk why the UK (and other countries) making it so hard for its people to be Educated.
If you think of it those students will help the country by working and earning money, they will help the growth of the country.
Yet they are making it easy for the children to ruin their lives and do illegal activities.
The issue here is that they are running an education business. To attract more students, they lower the entry requirements for English language certificates. Meanwhile, lenders might increase interest rates, which can disadvantage students. Additionally, international students face difficulties with restrictions on part-time work and the high cost of living in major cities due to rising inflation. To alleviate financial burdens, students can seek scholarships, grants, and suitable part-time jobs
It’s fine .. Chinese students are rich 😂
Honestly, universities should be state funded in the UK, and unis/courses that are not delivering quality degrees and don't improve should be shut down. Education is an investment in our people, and shouldn't be locking anyone in a lifetime of debt. I only support fee charging in unis that can actually differentiate themselves from the rest, top 5 at most, and even there it should at most be supplementary. It's nonsense to be charging these fees from people who can't ever even repay them. I say this as someone who has repaid their student fees, but mine were under £15k for 4 years! Having £80-90k is a whole mortgage in some parts of the country, and it makes no sense to saddle people with that if they will never have the income to pay it.
Education should have been free
A degree is not a guarantee of your career success, you couldn’t ask for refund once you can’t find a good job after your study.
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The entitlement is crazy, big men & women.
I finished my master degree when Covid was well over and we were allowed to meet. My uni decided to keep all lectures online.
I feel scammed because I didn’t get the chance to meet my peers and network. What’s the benefit of going if you can’t get good lectures and make friends?
My take is that one doesn’t go to Uni to network and socialize? Mostly, you push the boundaries of your understanding and learn something?
@@janmichaelvincentgarcia6988 then why pay thousands of pound when I can "push my understanding" for free using youtube?
@@janmichaelvincentgarcia6988
But Networking helps in practical life, when you are looking for Jobs and what's the next in the field pursued.
Getting a degree is not solely about employability. Education is good simply for its own sake and A-levels are insufficient.
We cannot all study in London and we cannot all be artists
“Only the educated are free.”
Epictetus, Foundations of Greece. Book 1, Chapter 2. 450 B.C.
They should give her the refund but she should give her degree back
Parental support is very ambitious word choice, there’s a huge difference between providing for young adults and paying for young adult expenses!
No, once you become an adult at 18, you should be able to pay for yourself. The problem is that the government is promoting dependence and delayed adulthood by cutting apprenticeships, internships, work as you learn jobs and entry-level jobs are asking for 5 years of experience. If employers hired people to pay for their education and vocation, the economy will be different today. Government is stagnating a large workforce every year each new cohort of young adults enter adult life.
Median salary is $12000 or more ... I mean isn't there a survey done in the UK given the title of the video is about UK students?
Fees were 9.000£ for so long? universities will broke if someone does not cover the increase that the students are not covering right now.
How about the government funding their education, like they do here in Sweden.
Education is a privilege but not necessity in Britain.
Many oversea students are turning away from Britain university as they can get better education standards in their own country.
Presumably the costs were known beforehand the decison had already been taken....am I missing something?
Yes… but would you loan 50k to a 17 year old and think that they would fully understand what they are getting into?
@@jimmybob4306 I'd hope they had thought about it before hand being the so called cream of the crop....better still why not go on RUclips and winge how hard done you are by it all...a future employer gong love watching it!
@peteturner8493 I think that future employers are going to be understanding because they also have student loans as well. I also think that the main problem in university education in the uk is that we confuse it with Job training. This leads to students coming out of university with no idea of how to do the jobs they have and needing to be trained again by the company. So the way to solve the issue is fix the job training part (make it more ie make it more like Germany). Then replace student fees with a graduate tax to remove the pressure on students and not punish non grads. And stop forcing all students to go to university at the age of 18. Personally, I would love a university system that had more middle aged and elderly people who want to learn. Like I feel that a lot of people who are going to uni age 18 are just going because there are no other options and are wasting everyone’s time and money. Views?
@@jimmybob4306 I'll try to cover most of your points: believe a large majority go into uni with little idea of what to do afterwards. Who's forcing anyone to go to further education, probably best at age 18 or similar as so much harder later on in life. Who pays the Graduate tax the student? I'd hope your future employer having a student loan would be the exception not the rule!
Without international students, the UK education system may be .......
I'm American, so this doesn’t quite translate at a 1 for 1 scale, but I think the refund talk is just getting the foot in the door to discuss the abysmal rates that students pay for education. It's a similar problem in the US. The rates for going to college are more than twice what it was for our parents. And in regards to Covid, networking is invaluable to breaking into the industry you want to work in. Universities did not provide that, nor the tactile work experience that many professionals NEED to even be considered for a job. I feel like the "invaluable experiences" that they talk about translates to many as "oh the young 20 somethings are sad they didn't go to house parties. Womp Womp." when the real conversation should be about the system is broken and needs to be fixed because it's not working.
The point the lecturer makes 15 minutes in, and a running theme throughout is that it's not a transaction it's about the wider experience of education which is flawed as this experience is a service delivered over 3/4 years with a specific product (degree) at the end. The experience varies but is part of the transaction. People in the comments can't seem to separate the product and the service component of a university when this issue is tackling the service being delivered.
It's also very entertaining how every person in that room bar the student can say they sympathise while having recieved their degree for free or at a significant discount. I bet they sympathise.
The debt doesn’t even feel real. I don’t feel the weight of it
I was going to pay first year in full but I realised I might not have to pay all of it so I took a loan instead
True.10th class education is more than adequate to pursue ones vocation.
Like any business proposal one needs to workout the viability of the business acumen.
A similar exercise should be carried out for academic adventurism.
International students in China, suffered most related to medical studies.
University students don't pay any fees at all in Sweden, all education is free of charge here. Every student is even given a monthly sum from the government as a financial support.
A good government should see Universities as vital to the ountry as is Primary Education,and should not rely on students fees to fund them
I am addressing here the producer who is the producer of this program In current affairs, the constant movement of the master camera distracts the audience.Register the person who is taken on Skype with the seat in the master camera.The constant movement of the camera makes the head dizzy and then the attention is distracted by the conversation.
In my country (Turkey) my collage fee for a year to new students is around 33.000 dollar while international students’ 25.000.
Is your university degree valid in Europe?
Social services, social life’s are definitely getting blocked by financial services requirements.
Let’s be real there are some people who make more money from a skill set that require a degree. Skills that pay the bills that people don’t want to do ie plumber, electrician…… I attended University in The UK back in 2010-2013 and I am American.
I am trying to do the math... hypothetically if the school gives a refund in the argument that the education they got is a sham, then the degree is also is revoked. So technically she didn't graduate. So if she still wants a degree, its just gets more expensive overtime. So a degree is not important?
“Roots of honesty and virtue lie in good education.”
- Plutarch, Lives of the Ancients. Book 1, Chapter 2. 200 A.D.
Highest fees educations are in US and UK which it is no coincidence that both universities rank high on world ranking… 😮
So UK national income (GDP) was £2.5 trillion last year…..
……and we don’t have the £3-4 billion that universities are currently lacking to make good the shortfall?
Something is not right here.
That's real estate bubble economy thay don't have any manufacturing
The real gripe is to blame the British government and political leaders that have supported macroeconomic/trade policies such as Brexit that have destabilize the economy causing increased competition for jobs among college graduates. In a society with rigid social mobility, prospective college students from working-class backgrounds will find obtaining a college degree ever more elusive!
That was the reason I did quit when I was at the beginning of the stage 2 in CSM Fine art.
If this can be done.. which graduates would be silly to admit they get a "good education" and not ask for a refund.
And if everyone wants a refund.. then you can close all the universities..
All my friends that went to university are now tenants of mine. 😂
yeah going to school in general was a waste of time
I think its good for UK to not and study a degree. Its important for UK to be less educated and fall behind more..
The first speaker is ironically asking for a refund 'due to strikes'- in her own words, while flaunting the P flag on her left ear. Millions of hours have been lost to university and public protests, on an issue that the institutes have little control over. She has not only been part of the problem, but also made fellow students lose valuable lecture time. Typical hypocrisy.
I don’t think she’s critical of the strikers but more likely the universities that failed to negotiate and listen to a highly unionised staff base which then caused strikes to happen
I was going to pay first year in full but I realised I might not have to pay all of it so I took a loan instead
Got free uni because family poor. Graduated and got a supposedly good job that can only afford me to share rent with strangers else I’d be living paycheque to paycheque. What a waste of time.
What is the real cost of a student for the unversity?
No.
2:15 where was this please?
Im going to assume here she did a degree in like 'Art' or 'History' or another degree which generally, unless your family has the contacts or you can be sure to establish them... is pointless, unless you settle to be a teacher.
Im not sure what refund she wants, if shes not in higher paid work, she wont even have to pay for the degree she physically signed up for. Nobody has actually sold her anything, she found the course, and applied. It's not the Universities fault that she didn't do her homework.
This is honestly like trying to return a car 4 years later because the sunroof wont open.
People like you are sad
@@killafx4726 Im assuming you're not educated and are a snowflake. That's also up to you.
with what is going on local kids will be doing low skill jobs and foreign kids educated abroad will be on top on all industries and ways of life.
What about public and private settlements and public fairness?!
Abolish Student Debt
You go girl! Hope you get a refund!
No way would I ever go to university today. So not worth it. Saddle yourself with a huge debt? No thanks.
Having a degree doesn’t garantee a job even if the job in question requires a degree.
Useless degrees such as Modern Languages, Creative Writing and Film Studies should be closed for good. Such degrees are designed for the most incompetent and disengaged students (and taught by equally incompetent “professors”!).
I wish i went to europe because that it afraction of debt i have as an art graduate.
What's on her ear?
how is advocating for not killing children woke ?
While uni should delivered what is promised. But also stop thinking live is easy after graduate.
Increase the student loan then, remember borrow it and no need to return, all my friends never return it don’t affect you
Bro ya dont need go education way. .i got 3 gcse - 1 D and 2E. Just stupid papers. I working brick layer making mad money. Am stacking geeez ma bro
Education sector is different to universities and government
Gold shines wherever it is, and it is always valued. But if you are iron, you will sell for a low price no matter where you are."
Virtue signalling by the lady with the painted ear... No place for it in this video
Seethe or cope, your choice. And it looks like you have chosen the seething option. So, marinate in those feelings!
@@MoeMa4 yeah... okay 🤷♂️
Avoid as they say the arty farty subjects there are no job prospects. Please take my advice. These departments need to be closed down!!!!Don't go to university if you cannot become a qualified teacher, engineer or doctor
If you`re enrolling on a mickey mouse BA degree, don't be surprised if you can't find a decent paying job at the end of your stint, by which time you`ll probably be massively in debt. Sadly, you`d be much better off acquiring a universally valid skill set after leaving school.
'cost of learning' wow.
Thanks for painting your ear for Palestine 🇵🇸 ❤
@@BunnyMed what about the hostages still held by hamas?
@@Jonnyiceywhat about the 20,000 children dead and left orphaned ?
@@shennnai you hear about that constantly, you don't hear about hamas killing 10 month old babies tho.. or killing innocent seniors waiting at a bus stop. Hamas are portrayed as the victims.
Teaching is a business in the name of service
Sounds like America. And increasingly, the whole world.
Even in South africa
The richer students will cruise through with no anxiety and will be ready and rested for that brilliant job?
How does raising your consciousness pay my bills?
Still with this cost, students come here for study and govt don't want to give jobs to immigrants while they wants to give aslyum to illegal immirants. Reducing the higher salary for work visa would be a good thing to these students, atleast give jobs to these students than getting more people from abroad.
Luckily my kids have an EU passport and will be able to attend university for free!
How do EU passport holders get free uni education? I have an EU passport and cannot find courses I can afford.
@@Beebee192-j7i check out universities in Vienna
@@Beebee192-j7i Vienna
The guy on the screen is just yapping. Not making any sense at all
She got a degree, there’s no value of service other than a degree?!
So maybe you can goto a restaurant order food, eat it.. then ask for a refund because you dun like it..or the Service..
I'm German.
If in the future she becomes a millionaire because she has obtained a degree/knowledge she gained, would she pay back the ‘refund’.
Already here not in future
1960s UK politicians : Ill close down every effing grammar School in this country . . . Anthony crossland educated at Highgate 😂😂 I think it's funny that people in the UK today don't know who Anthony crossland is
The beeching cuts!!!
Miss ODonald wants a refund to get tell her to get in line behind the Irish
No comments.😅
No offence - but she did take an Arts degree. That was her first mistake.
They're just making the UK great again. 😂
Cruel Cristian 😢
No refund will be given. Too bad, so sad. Such entitled youth.
scams
I 🙏🏼 I win the lottery
Paint your ear and after complaining cannot find a job because her degree is not good 😂😂👂
@@loryteck she's just another sheep that virtue signals
Well done Brexit.