in their defence, it _is_ coming up on 10 years old and historically that’s the length for which most windows versions have maintained support for so it’s not unprecedented it is kind of wild there’s still so much usage now though
In fact only a small fraction of the globe can upgrade to Windows 11 leaving the rest of the trillions of humans on Earth to suffer and rot with no way of using a computer because Microsoft ASSUMES everyone can afford a new computer.
That's what I keep saying: if people stick to Windows 10, Microsoft will have no choice but to keep updating, even if they say they won't, or that it will cost money.
Just like with XP: From "No, there will be no SP3 and continued updates" to "Due to the still high marketshare, updates will continue for a few years. Also, here is SP3"
Windows 11 is great except for three things. 1. Forced Microsoft account. 2. Shoving Edge down your throat with every update. 3. Stupid artificial "requirements" imposed by Microsoft so they can automatically encrypt your data. Then when your computer dies, not even a repair technician like myself can recover your data because it's encrypted and you can't remember the login to your Microsoft account because Microsoft allows you to unlock your computer with a PIN.
Definitely one of the main reasons. But for me, it's more about the added spyware / features such as recall, that are enabled by default and are extremely difficult to remove. Also, I just got to know where everything is in Windows 10 and don't want to relearn a new user interface, especially if it sucks and some options are buried under 3-5 different context menus. If Windows 10 gets EOL, there will definitely be a way to bypass paying for the extended security updates and still getting them and if not, I just switch to Linux and don't need to deal with that crap anymore.
Install an early version of Windows 11 does work. It will probably update itself. I do that for "antique" pc's that don't officially support Windows 10. There is also a Windows 11 work around using Rufus for installation.
My issue as a refurbisher is we are still not getting enough stock of new enough computers to only sell computers with windows 11 on it. Most of our donors are donating computers that are not compatible for windows 11 and what is has a higher failure rate in testing. Our customers are low income so they can't just upgrade their computers on a whim.
@maperez12 not an option. We use citizenship licenses and these computers are going out to customers. As a refurbisher we have a long list of rules we must follow.
@@iamsobanned Can you enquire whether they know about Linux as an option? If they don't play games or use unique software for work, you could probably see if they're willing to try Linux.
@@boirfanman the interest in Linux typically goes in short bursts then falls off completely in our area. They are returned at a higher rate than our windows machines then replaced with a windows machine. Chromebooks are less likely to fall into this same problem but we don't get a good supply of them and chrome os flex is lacking as a replacement because it doesn't have all the same features.
@@iamsobanned/videos Why replace the machine? D'you mean you just install Windows on it? Why are they being returned? Linux doesn't seem to break nowadays. Most people don't know another OS exists as an option so it's best to present it as an option.
@arpikatech I have used windows 10 for 5 years and used windows 11 for a year. I haven't noticed any missing features in windows 11. Can you elaborate on what are the missing features in windows 11 that windows 10 had?
@@Honeybee9630 not missing features, you will have no security on win11. your computer will be recorded every second by recall. you can disable it for rn which they will force you to do it every update. Get a mac or arch linux if you want security
it's just annoying to add multiple registry entries to make it less like Windows 11 and more like Windows 10. Like the new menus and context menu are just so bad compared to older windows. If I have to do 1-3 extra clicks to do something I was able to do faster in a old version, than it's just bad design
Hardware requirements and Windows 7 end of life are why I initially switched to Linux. And I have not looked back since, even after updating my computer to something that could theoretically run Windows 11. And to everybody saying that if you just ignore it, Microsoft will eventually be required to support older systems. No, they won't. They're going to do what they did with Windows 7 and just say, oh well, good luck. The enthusiast community is an extreme minority compared to Microsoft's primary money maker, which is the enterprise world. The only way Microsoft will ever be required to support Windows 10 in the extreme long term is if the entirety of the enterprise space refuses to upgrade, and that has not happened.
I told you guys we had the power to fight back nothing like a good old fashion BOYCOTT can't solve now then if only we can make them go back to Windows 7 and remaster it.
No, they won't. The enthusiast community does not matter for that decision. The Enterprise community has already started upgrading to Windows 11, and since that's happened, you can wait all you want. You're going to be on an outdated, unsupported, and insecure system.
@@OnSilverWings I was also reluctant to learn a new OS when I got a work laptop with Windows 11. Turns out the differences are minimal. Seriously, it's nothing to worry about.
@@GrumpyMcFrog pretty sure most tech users concern isn't that its "different" it's that they're keep shoveling features nobody wants into it like ads/preloaded apps or icons/AI features like Recall or even just in general messing with settings or other such things that don't need to be changed, that's certainly the case for me, I don't like my computer doing random things I didn't tell it to do or changing my preferences.
@@abhi.dx2345 That thing is probably riddled with hidden cryptominers and spyware. Just because you don't see anything wrong, doesn't mean it's fact. All it takes is one look at the known exploits, and a badly configured firewall (sometimes not even that will stop it). Using a OS without security patches is like walking into a brothel without a condom.
@@luds8474 This is the same argument "Oh, but my uncle smoked for 20 years and still alive", you have an execption case, most people WILL have problems.
@@trustytrojan Rufus has been proven useless because CPU-Z can show you that you might actually be bottlenecking your computer Microsoft needs to be forced to make a Windows 11 Lite Edition at this point someone complain to the United Nations, Government, and FTC who ever reads this make it snappy your computer is at risk!!!!!
it's been 2 years since i moved to linux after trying win11 and i am so happy that i did. btw, since i still watch you, it says a lot about your ability to make interesting videos xD
Linux is actually a really good OS nowadays. I formatted my Surface Pro and installed Ubuntu on it, because Windows didn't have Vulkan drivers for this chipset anymore. On Linux everything works fine, and I'm able to use it with full touch screen support. Surprisingly it runs smoother. It feels like a brand new tablet. And no online account and recall features.
Windows 10 LTSC 2021 IoT has given me zero issues over the past two years. It's only one feature update behind the latest consumer version of Windows 10 (21H2 vs 22H2). Since Windows 10 isn't getting any new feature updates anyways, being on a slightly older version really isn't an issue. Every game and program I've thrown at it so far still works perfectly fine.
"Windows 10/11 Enterprise LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel) releases are designed to provide longer update support (10 years) and it lacks most of the Store (UWP) apps." I'm a gamer and I do sometimes also play games that require the Xbox app, UWP games etc. (Xbox Game pass...) Do these work well for you? I also really don't want win 11 and I'd like to stay on WIN 10 as long as possible, just thinking of either buying the ESU or going with LTSC, but if it was for UWP apps to not work on this version, then I'd be left with no other choice.
10 itself was already crammed down a lot of peoples' throats without permission by forcibly installing it onto a lot of Windows 7 PCs, which is part of why Windows 7 fell off so fast. While I managed to fend it off a week by basically nuking WUD. But fixing a bug with the device manager caused by a previous patch, by manually installing a patch off Microsoft's website, mysteriously repaired WUD and it forcibly installed 10 on my desktop the next morning, which wrecked havoc with drivers on my older rig at the time.
I am sticking with Windows 10 for as long as is practical. Or until Microsoft stops treating their customers like poo. By forcing down the throats of their customers. Products and features we don't need nor asked.
@@Z_fentomFentom "get over it" is the exact attitude that enables this behavior of mega-corporations. I will never get over it. Not caring or doing anything about it is just gonna make the experience worse for everyone. Including you. I don't want to live in a world of constant enshitification. I'm putting my foot down.
I think the main reason many people are still using Windows 10 is Windows 11's stupid requirements like TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot. All of them can be easily bypassed, but most people don't want to go through the hassle. Or some are just skeptical about installing Win11 that way. If Microsoft can remove this restriction and allow the smooth update from Win10 to Win11 even on unsupported PCs, most people will automatically switch to Win11. Even Microsoft knows that people are bypassing these requirements. So why are they still sticking with it? Maybe there are some reasons that a tech-noob like me can't understand. But I don't understand this behaviour from Microsoft.
These requirements result in a more secure environment, and they want people to move to it. You can stay stuck in the past if you want, but you can't expect everyone else to, and neither can you expect backwards compatibility forever - that would just result in even more bloatware.
Obviously the goal is to buy a new PC for win11. So likely they've made a deal with the tech manufacturer companies that they get a share of the income generated by this incentive. TLDR They just want more money.
@@philuribe7863 ok we can do this when the old machines die But they're alive We can't throw out computers like that Pollution, global warming, wasted products - there's are big issues
@@Xnoob545 Well, sure, I agree. W10 is fine for most people, and as you say there's no good reason to ditch something that works for you. But that's true irrespective of the requirements - i.e. even if W11 didn't require TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot there'd still be no need to ditch a W10 computer if it met your needs. I was just pointing out the rationale for MS introducing them. Sooner or later, when people need a new computer, they get one that's more secure.
Using LTSC based on 21H2 for a few years now For me everything I need does run or can be worked around with a few commands (for example WSL because I don't have the MS store) It really is a windows 7 experience for me I was looking for
You're forgetting about Windows XP. Vista's requirements were so high that hardly nobody upgraded so Microsoft was forced to extend support for FIVE YEARS for FREE! They should do the same for Windows 10, especially since the requirements for 11 are 100% arbitrary and artificial. People legitimately couldn't upgrade to Windows Vista or if they did upgrade it was dog slow unless you had brand new mid to high end hardware, but the VAST majority of Windows 10 users CAN upgrade to Windows 11. Microsoft just won't let them. Fine, then you'd better still support Windows 10, preferably for as long as you're going to support Windows 11. It's the very LEAST Microsoft can do, especially since Windows 10 and Windows 11 are so similar under the hood. It would cost them next to nothing to continue supporting it alongside Windows 11.
Actually looking up the source citation doesn't, though. Media were misquoting an engineer who definitely wasn't talking on behalf of Microsoft as a whole.
Definitely gonna be MY last Windows OS. Unless Microsoft does a 180 degree turn within the next few months. 1. Stop with the MS account enforcement bs. My data is my data, and I don't need it in the cloud (aka. someone else's computer). 2. Stop with the spyware. Especially Recall. It's a security nightmare waiting to really go wrong. (I don't care if I can turn it off. I don't even want it installed. Period!) 3. I don't want your sh***y browser, and I'm tired of the constant nag. The more you nag, the less I want to use it. 4. The bloat. AHHHH make it stop!
Windows 10 was bad at launch, but the updates (yes I know the automatic updates were annoying before) improved the user experience greatly. Windows 11 did the opposite, it removed most of the functional Windows features for the aesthetics, and required us to sell our data to their ✨AI✨ stuff.
As a side note on the Windows XP patching: there was a variant of Windows XP called Windows Embedded that was used for point of sales like ATM etc that was still supported until April 2019, so much so that users that applied a registry tweak could get those updates on their regular Windows XP for free. When Microsoft released the patch in 2017 for every Windows XP machine, they literally just enabled the one they developed for Windows Embedded to be downloaded by all Windows XP versions, so it's not like they went through much extra effort. One reason more not to rely on that.
XP says hello. Seems like every other generation MS drops a real turd, uptake is unsurprisingly poor and MS extend security updates. It's harder work/less secure for all to toggle them for certain users, than to have everyone on the same patched build.
@@ChromiaCat Pretty great actually. There's still a learning curve for linux in general but I wouldn't have any problems moving my parents who just browse and the internet and do basic stuff to Mint either. AMD and Intel has pretty good support and Nvidia has been improving. Flatpack apps, Distrobox and Bottles could make things easier for you. Heroic Launcher and Lutris make things easy for games.
been on mint a few months and can also say the same as the other reply. basically all the same news as well but i did actually move my dad in his 60's over to mint and he's barely had trouble after i taught him how to keep it updated. the mint forums are pretty casual as well. if possible, you should probably dual boot or use a vm for a little while before going full send, just to get a feel for it before its your daily driver. there's also some tools out in the wild to remove some of the bs from 10 and 11 if you decide linux isn't a good fit.
The biggest downside with Mint is Nvidia drivers being very old and getting like 20fps less on games than I did on Windows, and no more visual studios which I actually like a lot for debugging and large projects. GDB and VSCode are just not the same.
I'm still on Windows 10 and I'm going to upgrade to Linux some time next year. I'm not going to use some ad-infested OS that phones home with all my data and requires me to create an online account for offline usage.
I'm thinking about it. My computer's getting old but it works fine so I'm not in a hurry to replace it, but I'd rather not upgrade it (or switch to linux) because I have a lot of work stuff on here that I don't wanna have to debug/replace/deal with. $30 isn't terrible for not having to have my workflow interrupted like that for another 12 months.
I'm more or less in the same boat. Mine isn't the newest computer. But it does the job. If I do go to 11 I'd want it to be a clean install (not an upgrade). But that's a few days worth of trouble getting everything back up and running just the way I want it. $30 isn't too high a price to pay to kick the problem down the road an extra year to see what my options are at that point.
Windows 10 IoT LTSC 21H2 is the way to go if you can. On a side note, no the IoT version doesn't have to do anything with IoT, same OS but with different licensing options and longer support until 2032. You should use IoT LTSC if your softwares support the latest 21H2 version and you are able to get your hands on one, one way or another. There is no other thing that is a negative about it. Its basically a Holy Grail version of windows with how atrocious windows 11 became with all the negative thing that towards microsoft is heading. Windows 10 Pro is basically its on last leg, you should not thinking about it and paying microsoft more money unnecessary. If you are business thats an another story that is not considered here.
I'm stuck with Windows 10 with my current PC. We currently don't have the money to purchase a whole new one, so we are considering using extended patches to ensure it continues to be safe to use after the deadline.
You lost me on not recommending LTSC. It's clean, stable, fast, debloated and actually usable. Feature updates have given nothing of value for years. Windows 11 LTSC IOT is on 24H2, so no issues with program compatibility.
On windows 10 iot ltsc, it's so much less bloated than w11. Also haven't encountered any incompatibilities, though I haven't been installing things I don't need (too paranoid about using a ton of read/write cycles on my drives lol)
If being on an outdated build is 'usable' to you, oh boy... (Most) things - programs and games- are prompting 'please update to the latest build of Windows'
I suspect Windows 11 was created to bail out PC OEM's who were selling less hardware, due to Windows 10 being the last operating system which allowed PC users not to have to upgrade hardware as often compared to past releases of Windows that would require you to buy new hardware to meet the new operating system requirements. I suspect that is why Microsoft Window's is going out of their way to make sure Windows 11 can only run on new PC hardware. At least they are offering consumers a paid option to extend support for users who do not wish to buy new PC hardware.
The main reason people are not upgrading to Win11 is the insane requirements for it. I have two laptops and will upgrade to Win11 when the support for Win10 ends on the supported laptop and I might go for Linux for the unsupported one.
I read about it this morning I was very happy. I can't afford a new computer right now. I have a light laptop from 2016 which runs Windows 11 and I'm fine with it but the specs are kind of weak. My older laptop, for which I bought SSDs and as much RAM as the motherboard could take, doesn't qualify for the update to Windows 11. Since this is my main computer, I was waiting for this announcement (which they hinted at about a year ago). I'm not happy to give them $30, but it's better than the alternatives I had. Edited to add that the reason I can't upgrade to Windows 11 is the TPM requirement.
What CPU you have? If your CPU is in the official support list, then it definitely has a built in TPM already, you just need to enable it in the UEFI BIOS.
@@trustytrojan Just be aware that you won't get the yearly "feature updates" for W11 offered via Windows Update, if your hardware doesn't support them. You'd have to prepare another stick with the update, every year, in order to keep up.
Customers are voting to stay on Windows 10 because of the ads, bloatware, AI features, user hostile features like requiring a TPM, requiring a Microsoft account, and forcing user folders into one drive. When Windows 10 is end of life I'm switching to Linux.
Most PCs in the world cant run Windows 11! AND THAT IS A FACT. I dont know what Microsoft was thinking when they made that Windows 11 requirements. All other Windows can run in any computer... Even if it is a patato pc 😂😂😂. Why they always Change a OS each it working perfectly... They just need to grab Windows 10, add some new stuff, and modernize the look. Thats all.
Well I dunno about that. Driver wise, Windows 10 and 11 are pretty much identical and the windows 11 drivers are just the windows 10 drivers. You can also bypass that tsm crap by burning your iso with Rufus, so windows 11 is pretty much as useable as windows 10.
Where did you get that figure from? Most of my friends are gamers so we all have custom made gaming rigs ...we can all run Windows 11 and my PC was only $2600....
They were thinking about how in the world to make new security hardware like TPM finally mandatory for hardware manufacturers to include and people to update to more secure Hardware. It technically could run on older hardware without the new security features. The most important stuff is not visible to the user, so they don't know it's very important...
Windows 10 runs like a bloated operating system on older hardware. linux runs laps around windows in regards to performance on older hardware. Valve have giving linux a brighter future with their proton contributions. EA, EAC and rootkit enabled online multiplayer games and Microsoft can kick dirt.
It is possible to install without a new computer as long as your CPU isn't ancient. I have 11 installed without having to worry about Secure Boot, TPM, Bitlocker or online account enforcement. It wasn't difficult to do either.
W11 will run (or at least use to run) on everything from a Duo Core onward. Although you have to use a trick to install it on unsupported machines. It seems that the key requirement is the ability for the machine to handle 64-bit.
EA is too busy coming up with more ideas for how to implement -lootboxes- surprise mechanics in their games than care about what computer companies do.
There ought to be some legal requirement for Microsoft to continue support for 10 for a long time yet, as millions of people all over the world depend upon it. To virtually force everyone to throw away old computers and buy their new OS is bordering on the criminal.
I still don't understand why Microsoft wants people to ditch Windows 10 so quickly. It's worth mentioning that when something like Windows 8.1 ended support, Windows 10 had already been out for 7 years. Heck, I pretty much got my Windows 10 system just a month before 11 was announced, and it's still only been a couple of years since launch.
I don't even know if my computer can run Windows 11. It probably can but if I EVER have to upgrade, it will be the LTSC version, I don't want all the crap that comes bundled with the regular Windows 11. Also with every new windows release, more and more older software and games wont run anymore. Even VMware dropped full support for Windows XP guests. I'm just glad I kept an old version of VMware Player so I can still run my old Windows XP stuff and still have hardware acceleration.
1. My computer - which I really like - can't be upgraded to Windows 11. 2. Windows 10 works perfectly with my software and hardware. 3. A payment of $30 per year isn't unreasonable, IMHO. 4. Being an old dog, I can't learn new tricks - such as Linux. 😉 Conclusion: I'll stick with 10 and pay the "rent".
Unless they want to pay for my new pc, I’ll get their extended update service or I’ll go with the third party (forgot their name at the moment) who will do the same but longer than MS will
The issue is that Windows 11 requires a hardware upgrade. It's not the first time it happened. When moving from XP to Windows 7, that also required a hardware upgrade. The thing is, when you have some fancy customized hardware to fit your use case it generally cost thousands of dollars to get it just right. So this move to Windows 11 will cost many thousands of dollars. Alternatively, maybe the old motherboard can be retrofitted with an accessory Trusted Platform Module. Who knows. Spending $30 to buy an extra year doesn't sound too bad.
There is one feature that finally makes it worth upgrading to Windows 11 and that is being able to reinstall your current version of Windows without affecting your apps, settings and data. System > Recovery > Fix problems using Windows update. This feature has only been available for W11 for plus/minus one year now. It saved me from having to do a clean re-install and worked seamlessly. If this might convince you to upgrade from W10, upgrade to W11 23H2, not 24H2 just yet (as per the date of this posting).
If they would just relax some of their system requirements, I’d gladly switch over to windows 11. The only reason myself, 4:00 and many others, are sticking with windows 10 is because our current systems are not compatible with windows 11.
Windows 11 has major performance and 1% low issues with Ryzen CPUs. All of my friends downgrade their prebuilds to W10 even the super less tech savvy ones know that W10 is best for gaming. Microsoft better have that fixed by next year.
I all ready moved to Linux about a year ago for most of my daily activities. I mainly use Windows 10 for gaming but with the improvements with the Linux gaming options I have no problem dropping Microsoft on October 14th, 2025.
@@fizixx Mint has come a long way. It's arguably the most "like windows" linux distro you can find. And a lot more games are compatible with Linux lately too. For everything else, there's Wine.
@@DonkeyKong64InstructionBooklet Thank you! I *will* read this over. I'm at a point where I need something new, and I guess this is a good time to make the move.
Can I still use chrome and and chrome Adds on with Linux? There are still lot of game that underperform under Linux? I think if it’s possible, I would like to switch to Linux.
For my old laptop that couldn't go to Win 11, I upgraded to Ubuntu. Can't stress enough how much better it performs over win10. Even got the touchscreen working out of the box, which I wasn't expecting.
From brazil here. I am an ubuntu user for 19 years. However I got a really old machine running windows 10 which I turn on once a month specifically to run a software provided by the government that runs on windows only (yes, I have tried wine and everything in between). I really dont see the government making their software available for linux so that machine will run windows 10 with or without microsoft's security updates. No, I wont pay for updates.
I switched to Windows 10 iot 2021 yesterday. It works almost the same as normal one. I restored the Microsoft store easily. Downsides are lack of some transparent visual effects and I have a strange wallpaper glitch in the start menu (so I used the Start11 to replace that). Games and programs are working normally.
@@kunka592 If the hash isn't off Microsoft's website then you still can't verify the authenticity. Quite literally trusting random people on the internet.
@@kunka592 Unless the checksums are available on Microsofts website, there's no way to validate the authenticity of the hash and therefore the ISO. Still trusting random people on the internet.
The relative failure of Windows 11 is due to the fact that unless you're willing to do a lot of workarounds and other crap, you have to buy a new computer to use it. I have four computers. Two of them are relatively new and only one of those will run Windows 11, which I won't use on it, one more is for work and is a 2012 Alienware laptop because it's all I need for what I do, and the last does what I'll euphemistically call "nefarious downloads." I KNOW Windows 10, and just because Microsoft needs to keep themselves in business is NO reason for me to buy all new computers so I can run their literal candy-coated Windows 11. Maybe I'll get Windows 12, maybe not.
Since Microsoft decided to bully their users into buying new hardware in order to install Windows 11, I'm sure that explains why so many are holding out. I'm even seriously considering moving away from Microsoft totally by moving to a Mac and using macOS. There seems to only be a couple reasons not to, and many more reasons to do so.
I used Windows 11 for a long time and after putting up with heaps of issues and the computer finally crashing completely, I had to do a complete reformat but went back to Windows 10. The difference between 10 and 11 is huge. I'm truly dreading having to eventually return to Windows 11. I would probably prefer Vista. LOL!
@@boirfanman fresh install. I could not reboot to Windows so had no choice. Lucky, I could retrieve everything from the SSD card using a special hub. It was a pain in the butt though having to set everything up again. It took a few days to do it. But a huge relief being back on Windows 10.
@@NorsePJ So an upgrade, not a fresh install. A fresh install doesn't suffer from the problems an upgrade will give you. Upgrades are never recommended.
The problem is Windows 11 fucking sucks and NOBODY prefers it over Windows 10. It's that simple. I'll sooner switch to Linux (which I don't understand at all) than use Windows 11.
@@ThioJoe And the difference between the two is in the method of authorisation. Any installation of 2021 LTSC can be converted to IoT just by updating the 25 character key. Only IoT can be authorised online by the MS servers directly. Note that there is no way to move a licence between machines. No phone setup and no Microsoft Account. It's also very hard to get hold of on the grey market. I bought 40 licenses for IoT development. It fully updates to the final 21H2 version. It will get all security updates till 2032 and it fully implements all the W10 Enterprise features, so the only reason for not using it on the desktop is that the IoT licence SPECIFICALLY prohibits it.
@@ingulari3977 They're the same OS underneath, just with slightly different feature flags, and LTSC doesn't have the bloatware from normal W10. You almost certainly could patch normal W10 to accept LTSC updates, as has previously been done for POSReady 2009 updates on XP, Server 2008 Premium Assurance updates on Vista, POSReady 7 updates on W7, Embedded 8 Industry Pro updates on W8.0, and Server 2012 R2 ESU updates on 8.1.
Video Suggestion: Make a video talking about what Data Execution Prevention is. I just found out about it, and am really curious to know whether or not it’d be useful.
in my experience the LTSC has been perfect. It's just windows 10 without any pre installed Store apps (this includes the store itself), basically pre-debloated windows for you
They aren't worried; they have been planning to do such thing as they did before with Windows 7. Reastically, most users would prefer migrating to Windows 11 or Windows 12 (probably released next year) over paying for this 1-year ESU based on previous experience. Experience is the best teacher.
I'm paying. I have my case, but not ready to build in it yet. I'm actually going to dual boot my next build. Win 11 for games and Linux for everything else. I'm building an AMD system due to the recent issues with the last two gen Intel processors.
Microsoft will still install "security updates" on Windows 7, which is their fancy way of saying we are just putting Microsoft Edge on your outdated system. If they can do that, then there is no reason for them to be EOSing W10, let alone making people pay for updates...
With the update to windows 11, and being tricked into it, I abandoned windows and switched to Linux permanently. I only ever used windows because of the games, but with them trying to control my data, I'm done.
If microsoft remove the requirements of windows 11 and said everyone can use windows 11 and give some updates to improve performance then many will upgrade to windows 11 and forget about linux no one gonna switch to it linux don't have proper support for drivers softwares and games too
MS lowered their first given extended support cost, I believe it was $69 a year, and double each following year, to non-business clients, to this lowered price no doubt realizing with the number of users that wished to or had to due to PC specs would remain on Win 10, would would make usage of Zero Patch, rather then going with MS extended support prices, with MS hoping they will still make $money$ in offering extended support for Win 10, since few would have made use of MS extended support at their prior announced price Vs Win 10 users subscribing to Zero Patch, 'Greed work in mysterious ways'!, I have one PC running 10, that doesn't meet the requirements of Win 11, I was going to run Zero Patch on, after Win 10 EOL, recently built a new gaming PC, started with Win 11, and after suffering from MS's repeated buggy updates on Win 11, bought a Win 10 key, and am back to Win 10.
As a gamer, I already start partition my pc into Windows 10 and Steam OS. Since I don't play games from EA, Blizzard etc, I'm happy most of my games in Steam library are supported under Steam OS, not mentioning others from GOG library. I want to reduce Windows usage down to once or twice per month, and this will be the breaking point where i don't need Windows anymore. Also, once my Xbos S is down, I will jump ship to playstation for games that are not available in Windows. I do recognize hardware driver support is weak in Linux community especially for nVidia, even though right now we have Wayland in developement, it will take some time to get matured. I know everyone will prefer to stay at their comfort zone, why not take a brave step forward, you might find something better than what you have now. If all fails, then you can always fall back with no regrets. Don't let your life kidnapped by a stupid operating system.
Thanks for another helpful video! 🙏🏻 I think you’re a bit too forgiving of Windows 11. The UI is much more sluggish than Windows 10, which itself is often less responsive and more fragmented than Windows 7. I mean, it’s 2024. What are we even doing here?
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Discontinuing Windows 10 is nuts, especially with the Windows 11 shenanigans.
not sure why youre surprised
in their defence, it _is_ coming up on 10 years old and historically that’s the length for which most windows versions have maintained support for so it’s not unprecedented
it is kind of wild there’s still so much usage now though
Well windows 10 was one best OS of Microsoft @@priultimus
@@anilkumargupta8555 Windows 7 was the best OS
In fact only a small fraction of the globe can upgrade to Windows 11 leaving the rest of the trillions of humans on Earth to suffer and rot with no way of using a computer because Microsoft ASSUMES everyone can afford a new computer.
That's what I keep saying: if people stick to Windows 10, Microsoft will have no choice but to keep updating, even if they say they won't, or that it will cost money.
Just like with XP: From "No, there will be no SP3 and continued updates" to "Due to the still high marketshare, updates will continue for a few years. Also, here is SP3"
Same with the lockdowns. Neck minit.
Microsoft is the best Linux promoter I hope Bill Gates networth drops because of Windows 11.
Make it 5 dollars per year and I'd consider it. Otherwise, I am seriously considering installing a Linux OS this time.
I saw many businesses and schools still use win 7 and win 10 so no one I know is saying we upgrading lol 😂😆
Maybe they shouldn't have made Windows 11 suck. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think it sucks. I've been using it since the beginning, and have had no issues with it at all. Still runs fast.
@@philuribe7863 you clearly have issues with it
@@philuribe7863 windows 10 is also a buggy mess. its just how microsoft does things
Windows 11 I love/hate. Lots of good new features bogged down by the equally bad features, some of which you can't even disable.
Windows 11 is great except for three things. 1. Forced Microsoft account. 2. Shoving Edge down your throat with every update. 3. Stupid artificial "requirements" imposed by Microsoft so they can automatically encrypt your data. Then when your computer dies, not even a repair technician like myself can recover your data because it's encrypted and you can't remember the login to your Microsoft account because Microsoft allows you to unlock your computer with a PIN.
It’s probably because many machines cannot be upgraded to Windows 11. Mine cannot!
Micro$oft B$.
This is Micro$oft Ran$om if you stay on Window$ 10
Definitely one of the main reasons. But for me, it's more about the added spyware / features such as recall, that are enabled by default and are extremely difficult to remove. Also, I just got to know where everything is in Windows 10 and don't want to relearn a new user interface, especially if it sucks and some options are buried under 3-5 different context menus. If Windows 10 gets EOL, there will definitely be a way to bypass paying for the extended security updates and still getting them and if not, I just switch to Linux and don't need to deal with that crap anymore.
Install an early version of Windows 11 does work. It will probably update itself.
I do that for "antique" pc's that don't officially support Windows 10. There is also a Windows 11 work around using Rufus for installation.
I know. Hardware upgrades are often required. However, the reason I won't upgrade is because of the embedded A.I. in Windows 11.
@@Pils10Just install the iot ltsc this is really blank
Windows but P2W
Pay To Windows
@@ThePaalanBoy pay to windows
it already is
Switched to Linux 2 weeks ago.
@@brokeandtired I've been using linux for over a year, it's great
My issue as a refurbisher is we are still not getting enough stock of new enough computers to only sell computers with windows 11 on it. Most of our donors are donating computers that are not compatible for windows 11 and what is has a higher failure rate in testing.
Our customers are low income so they can't just upgrade their computers on a whim.
Use Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021, that will get security updates for 10 years (until 2031).
@maperez12 not an option. We use citizenship licenses and these computers are going out to customers. As a refurbisher we have a long list of rules we must follow.
@@iamsobanned Can you enquire whether they know about Linux as an option? If they don't play games or use unique software for work, you could probably see if they're willing to try Linux.
@@boirfanman the interest in Linux typically goes in short bursts then falls off completely in our area. They are returned at a higher rate than our windows machines then replaced with a windows machine.
Chromebooks are less likely to fall into this same problem but we don't get a good supply of them and chrome os flex is lacking as a replacement because it doesn't have all the same features.
@@iamsobanned/videos Why replace the machine? D'you mean you just install Windows on it? Why are they being returned? Linux doesn't seem to break nowadays.
Most people don't know another OS exists as an option so it's best to present it as an option.
I am not going to Upgrade to Windows 11 until it has features built in that windows 10 has and the performance is better!
@arpikatech
I have used windows 10 for 5 years and used windows 11 for a year.
I haven't noticed any missing features in windows 11.
Can you elaborate on what are the missing features in windows 11 that windows 10 had?
@@Honeybee9630 not missing features, you will have no security on win11. your computer will be recorded every second by recall. you can disable it for rn which they will force you to do it every update. Get a mac or arch linux if you want security
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@@helpcnarinceoglume thanks for the advice but i choose not to because of the comparability whit third party apps
it's just annoying to add multiple registry entries to make it less like Windows 11 and more like Windows 10. Like the new menus and context menu are just so bad compared to older windows.
If I have to do 1-3 extra clicks to do something I was able to do faster in a old version, than it's just bad design
Hardware requirements and Windows 7 end of life are why I initially switched to Linux. And I have not looked back since, even after updating my computer to something that could theoretically run Windows 11.
And to everybody saying that if you just ignore it, Microsoft will eventually be required to support older systems. No, they won't. They're going to do what they did with Windows 7 and just say, oh well, good luck. The enthusiast community is an extreme minority compared to Microsoft's primary money maker, which is the enterprise world. The only way Microsoft will ever be required to support Windows 10 in the extreme long term is if the entirety of the enterprise space refuses to upgrade, and that has not happened.
Wait it out, Microsoft will give in to the multitude of Windows 10 users.
They'll probably release another windows before completely dropping Win10 support. If they aren't stupid, they'll actually try to make it good.
I told you guys we had the power to fight back nothing like a good old fashion BOYCOTT can't solve now then if only we can make them go back to Windows 7 and remaster it.
i would wait to see if windows 13 is better again, fortunately i don't run windows anymore
No, they won't. The enthusiast community does not matter for that decision. The Enterprise community has already started upgrading to Windows 11, and since that's happened, you can wait all you want. You're going to be on an outdated, unsupported, and insecure system.
@ I don’t agree. There are so many on Windows 10. I’m guessing maybe 2026.
I'm almost prepared to stay on windows 10. I just do not relish going to windows 11. Definitely won't pay for extended updates, heck no.
@@OnSilverWings I was also reluctant to learn a new OS when I got a work laptop with Windows 11. Turns out the differences are minimal. Seriously, it's nothing to worry about.
@@GrumpyMcFrog pretty sure most tech users concern isn't that its "different" it's that they're keep shoveling features nobody wants into it like ads/preloaded apps or icons/AI features like Recall or even just in general messing with settings or other such things that don't need to be changed, that's certainly the case for me, I don't like my computer doing random things I didn't tell it to do or changing my preferences.
u should crack Windows 10 LTSC 2021 IoT it still gets updates until 2032 lol
Good. You don't need to. Been using internet on my windows 8.1 computer for over a year
@@abhi.dx2345 That thing is probably riddled with hidden cryptominers and spyware. Just because you don't see anything wrong, doesn't mean it's fact. All it takes is one look at the known exploits, and a badly configured firewall (sometimes not even that will stop it).
Using a OS without security patches is like walking into a brothel without a condom.
Older machines like mine cannot upgrade to Windows 11!
ever heard of rufus?
@@trustytrojan if you don't mind system instability and incompatibility issues
@@luds8474 This is the same argument "Oh, but my uncle smoked for 20 years and still alive", you have an execption case, most people WILL have problems.
@@trustytrojan Rufus has been proven useless because CPU-Z can show you that you might actually be bottlenecking your computer Microsoft needs to be forced to make a Windows 11 Lite Edition at this point someone complain to the United Nations, Government, and FTC who ever reads this make it snappy your computer is at risk!!!!!
There's a solution to all these problems. It takes time and patience. It's called install and learn linux.
it's been 2 years since i moved to linux after trying win11 and i am so happy that i did. btw, since i still watch you, it says a lot about your ability to make interesting videos xD
Even if I do the same (seriously considering it) Ill probably keep watching Windows content because I have an IT job
Linux is actually a really good OS nowadays. I formatted my Surface Pro and installed Ubuntu on it, because Windows didn't have Vulkan drivers for this chipset anymore. On Linux everything works fine, and I'm able to use it with full touch screen support. Surprisingly it runs smoother. It feels like a brand new tablet. And no online account and recall features.
@Polygarden using Linux on Microsoft surface is the best move ever
@@Polygarden using Linux on Microsoft surface is the best move ever
@@Polygarden what version of Linux are you using on your surface pro
Windows 10 LTSC 2021 IoT has given me zero issues over the past two years. It's only one feature update behind the latest consumer version of Windows 10 (21H2 vs 22H2). Since Windows 10 isn't getting any new feature updates anyways, being on a slightly older version really isn't an issue. Every game and program I've thrown at it so far still works perfectly fine.
This. Not to mention the last feature updates aren't really required by anything. The kernel is literally the same between them.
The way to go. The holy grail of windows in the current environment where microsoft going to a direction that worries many even in the industry.
And stuff that dont work usually is just an installer block
"Windows 10/11 Enterprise LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel) releases are designed to provide longer update support (10 years) and it lacks most of the Store (UWP) apps."
I'm a gamer and I do sometimes also play games that require the Xbox app, UWP games etc. (Xbox Game pass...)
Do these work well for you?
I also really don't want win 11 and I'd like to stay on WIN 10 as long as possible, just thinking of either buying the ESU or going with LTSC, but if it was for UWP apps to not work on this version, then I'd be left with no other choice.
@@tom_606HQ I don't touch anything in the Microsoft store or the Xbox App so I can't comment on that.
10 itself was already crammed down a lot of peoples' throats without permission by forcibly installing it onto a lot of Windows 7 PCs, which is part of why Windows 7 fell off so fast. While I managed to fend it off a week by basically nuking WUD.
But fixing a bug with the device manager caused by a previous patch, by manually installing a patch off Microsoft's website, mysteriously repaired WUD and it forcibly installed 10 on my desktop the next morning, which wrecked havoc with drivers on my older rig at the time.
I am sticking with Windows 10 for as long as is practical. Or until Microsoft stops treating their customers like poo. By forcing down the throats of their customers. Products and features we don't need nor asked.
And products that make your computer underperforming
They will never stop get over it
@@Z_fentomFentom "get over it" is the exact attitude that enables this behavior of mega-corporations. I will never get over it. Not caring or doing anything about it is just gonna make the experience worse for everyone. Including you. I don't want to live in a world of constant enshitification. I'm putting my foot down.
@Zircuitz no i mea get over it as get over the fact that micrsoft will become better
I don't care, I'll keep using win10, or will switch to Linux. If i had a PC with windows 7, i would keep using it, instead of even win10.
Why not upgrade?
Hey man, there is a windows 10 version that is ltsc
Agreed keeping ten.
@@godzilla2k26 why???
@@Randomvideos-RUclipsThe task which was one click in windows is now 2-3 clicks and it doesn't even feel PC os it feels more like android OS
I think the main reason many people are still using Windows 10 is Windows 11's stupid requirements like TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot.
All of them can be easily bypassed, but most people don't want to go through the hassle. Or some are just skeptical about installing Win11 that way.
If Microsoft can remove this restriction and allow the smooth update from Win10 to Win11 even on unsupported PCs, most people will automatically switch to Win11.
Even Microsoft knows that people are bypassing these requirements. So why are they still sticking with it? Maybe there are some reasons that a tech-noob like me can't understand. But I don't understand this behaviour from Microsoft.
These requirements result in a more secure environment, and they want people to move to it. You can stay stuck in the past if you want, but you can't expect everyone else to, and neither can you expect backwards compatibility forever - that would just result in even more bloatware.
@philuribe7863 I'm using Win 11 on my laptop. I was talking about the general public.
Obviously the goal is to buy a new PC for win11. So likely they've made a deal with the tech manufacturer companies that they get a share of the income generated by this incentive.
TLDR They just want more money.
@@philuribe7863 ok we can do this when the old machines die
But they're alive
We can't throw out computers like that
Pollution, global warming, wasted products - there's are big issues
@@Xnoob545 Well, sure, I agree. W10 is fine for most people, and as you say there's no good reason to ditch something that works for you. But that's true irrespective of the requirements - i.e. even if W11 didn't require TPM 2.0 & Secure Boot there'd still be no need to ditch a W10 computer if it met your needs. I was just pointing out the rationale for MS introducing them. Sooner or later, when people need a new computer, they get one that's more secure.
Using LTSC based on 21H2 for a few years now
For me everything I need does run or can be worked around with a few commands (for example WSL because I don't have the MS store)
It really is a windows 7 experience for me I was looking for
The way to go. The holy grail of windows in the current environment where microsoft going to a direction that worries many even in the industry.
You're forgetting about Windows XP. Vista's requirements were so high that hardly nobody upgraded so Microsoft was forced to extend support for FIVE YEARS for FREE! They should do the same for Windows 10, especially since the requirements for 11 are 100% arbitrary and artificial. People legitimately couldn't upgrade to Windows Vista or if they did upgrade it was dog slow unless you had brand new mid to high end hardware, but the VAST majority of Windows 10 users CAN upgrade to Windows 11. Microsoft just won't let them. Fine, then you'd better still support Windows 10, preferably for as long as you're going to support Windows 11. It's the very LEAST Microsoft can do, especially since Windows 10 and Windows 11 are so similar under the hood. It would cost them next to nothing to continue supporting it alongside Windows 11.
Windows 10 was supposed to be "the last OS" according to Microsoft.
My autism agrees with that old claim.
@@das_niko yes Microsoft never said that just one of their employees 😂
Its deffinitely my last Windows OS
Actually looking up the source citation doesn't, though. Media were misquoting an engineer who definitely wasn't talking on behalf of Microsoft as a whole.
Definitely gonna be MY last Windows OS. Unless Microsoft does a 180 degree turn within the next few months.
1. Stop with the MS account enforcement bs. My data is my data, and I don't need it in the cloud (aka. someone else's computer).
2. Stop with the spyware. Especially Recall. It's a security nightmare waiting to really go wrong. (I don't care if I can turn it off. I don't even want it installed. Period!)
3. I don't want your sh***y browser, and I'm tired of the constant nag. The more you nag, the less I want to use it.
4. The bloat. AHHHH make it stop!
@Steamrick on the Microsoft answers site they answer saying it was one of their over enthusiastic devs.
Microsoft like others, don't care about their customers.
Their "customers" don't spend a fucking buck buying licenses.
@@marciozomb13 ...That's NOT how they get money from consumers. In some cases, yes, they do. However, in most cases, it's through selling YOUR data.
@@TheWhiteBamba That's on the terms of service you gladly agreed when you installed Windows, which does not exempt you from paying for the license.
Welcome to how capitalism works
@ it’s not capitalism
Windows 10 was bad at launch, but the updates (yes I know the automatic updates were annoying before) improved the user experience greatly. Windows 11 did the opposite, it removed most of the functional Windows features for the aesthetics, and required us to sell our data to their ✨AI✨ stuff.
"AI"*
As a side note on the Windows XP patching: there was a variant of Windows XP called Windows Embedded that was used for point of sales like ATM etc that was still supported until April 2019, so much so that users that applied a registry tweak could get those updates on their regular Windows XP for free. When Microsoft released the patch in 2017 for every Windows XP machine, they literally just enabled the one they developed for Windows Embedded to be downloaded by all Windows XP versions, so it's not like they went through much extra effort. One reason more not to rely on that.
Microsoft has supported Windows for 10 years. This is the first time they are offering extended updates for the home user
No reason a company as large as MS shouldnt have supported their OS longer than that.
XP says hello. Seems like every other generation MS drops a real turd, uptake is unsurprisingly poor and MS extend security updates. It's harder work/less secure for all to toggle them for certain users, than to have everyone on the same patched build.
Windows 10 and 11 are fine, but I really miss Windows 7. Hi Joe 👋🏻
hi sj
@trustytrojan Hi. Good day 👍🏻
all windows are fine, but some windows are finer than others
Windows 7 was **chefs kiss**
@@Zircuitz 👍🏻♥
I'd sooner switch to Mint than 11, the former would at least offer me something that's actually new & useful.
I switched to Mint last year.
@@balsalmalberto8086 How's it been? I'm still on 10 waiting for it to break in a non-recoverable way.
@@ChromiaCat Pretty great actually. There's still a learning curve for linux in general but I wouldn't have any problems moving my parents who just browse and the internet and do basic stuff to Mint either. AMD and Intel has pretty good support and Nvidia has been improving. Flatpack apps, Distrobox and Bottles could make things easier for you. Heroic Launcher and Lutris make things easy for games.
been on mint a few months and can also say the same as the other reply.
basically all the same news as well but i did actually move my dad in his 60's over to mint and he's barely had trouble after i taught him how to keep it updated. the mint forums are pretty casual as well.
if possible, you should probably dual boot or use a vm for a little while before going full send, just to get a feel for it before its your daily driver. there's also some tools out in the wild to remove some of the bs from 10 and 11 if you decide linux isn't a good fit.
The biggest downside with Mint is Nvidia drivers being very old and getting like 20fps less on games than I did on Windows, and no more visual studios which I actually like a lot for debugging and large projects. GDB and VSCode are just not the same.
I'm still on Windows 10 and I'm going to upgrade to Linux some time next year. I'm not going to use some ad-infested OS that phones home with all my data and requires me to create an online account for offline usage.
Hello! It's next year, would you like any help picking a Linux distribution?
I'm thinking about it. My computer's getting old but it works fine so I'm not in a hurry to replace it, but I'd rather not upgrade it (or switch to linux) because I have a lot of work stuff on here that I don't wanna have to debug/replace/deal with. $30 isn't terrible for not having to have my workflow interrupted like that for another 12 months.
@awauser You did read what I wrote about using this computer for work, right? It's not an option.
I'm more or less in the same boat. Mine isn't the newest computer. But it does the job. If I do go to 11 I'd want it to be a clean install (not an upgrade). But that's a few days worth of trouble getting everything back up and running just the way I want it. $30 isn't too high a price to pay to kick the problem down the road an extra year to see what my options are at that point.
If it's for work, just have your work pay for the extended support subscription
Bro downgrading from windows 11 to windows 10 feels like an upgrade and a half its soo faster and snappy
Windows 10 IoT LTSC 21H2 is the way to go if you can. On a side note, no the IoT version doesn't have to do anything with IoT, same OS but with different licensing options and longer support until 2032. You should use IoT LTSC if your softwares support the latest 21H2 version and you are able to get your hands on one, one way or another. There is no other thing that is a negative about it. Its basically a Holy Grail version of windows with how atrocious windows 11 became with all the negative thing that towards microsoft is heading. Windows 10 Pro is basically its on last leg, you should not thinking about it and paying microsoft more money unnecessary. If you are business thats an another story that is not considered here.
I'm stuck with Windows 10 with my current PC. We currently don't have the money to purchase a whole new one, so we are considering using extended patches to ensure it continues to be safe to use after the deadline.
You lost me on not recommending LTSC. It's clean, stable, fast, debloated and actually usable. Feature updates have given nothing of value for years. Windows 11 LTSC IOT is on 24H2, so no issues with program compatibility.
@OraOraOra yeah, agree. If I weren't tied to Office and Adobe programs for work, I would've moved to Linux Mint ages ago.
On windows 10 iot ltsc, it's so much less bloated than w11. Also haven't encountered any incompatibilities, though I haven't been installing things I don't need (too paranoid about using a ton of read/write cycles on my drives lol)
@@DanielXGonzález there is not so much difference between 21h2 and 22h2...
If being on an outdated build is 'usable' to you, oh boy...
(Most) things - programs and games- are prompting 'please update to the latest build of Windows'
@@Mario583a Which programs? I wanna know what stuff I'd have to give up because I haven't seen anything yet
I suspect Windows 11 was created to bail out PC OEM's who were selling less hardware, due to Windows 10 being the last operating system which allowed PC users not to have to upgrade hardware as often compared to past releases of Windows that would require you to buy new hardware to meet the new operating system requirements. I suspect that is why Microsoft Window's is going out of their way to make sure Windows 11 can only run on new PC hardware. At least they are offering consumers a paid option to extend support for users who do not wish to buy new PC hardware.
The main reason people are not upgrading to Win11 is the insane requirements for it. I have two laptops and will upgrade to Win11 when the support for Win10 ends on the supported laptop and I might go for Linux for the unsupported one.
I suspect that is being done to bail out PC OEMs to force users to buy new computers.
I read about it this morning I was very happy. I can't afford a new computer right now. I have a light laptop from 2016 which runs Windows 11 and I'm fine with it but the specs are kind of weak. My older laptop, for which I bought SSDs and as much RAM as the motherboard could take, doesn't qualify for the update to Windows 11. Since this is my main computer, I was waiting for this announcement (which they hinted at about a year ago). I'm not happy to give them $30, but it's better than the alternatives I had.
Edited to add that the reason I can't upgrade to Windows 11 is the TPM requirement.
rufus lets you bypass the tpm requirement with no effort
What CPU you have? If your CPU is in the official support list, then it definitely has a built in TPM already, you just need to enable it in the UEFI BIOS.
@@trustytrojan Just be aware that you won't get the yearly "feature updates" for W11 offered via Windows Update, if your hardware doesn't support them. You'd have to prepare another stick with the update, every year, in order to keep up.
Customers are voting to stay on Windows 10 because of the ads, bloatware, AI features, user hostile features like requiring a TPM, requiring a Microsoft account, and forcing user folders into one drive.
When Windows 10 is end of life I'm switching to Linux.
Lol you can use windows 10 for free. Just use adblocker and don't go to sketchy websites
@@abhi.dx2345 he s talking about windows 11 ...
@@abhi.dx2345 That is terrible advice. As long as you have apps installed and use a web browser, the chances of infection would be MUCH higher.
@@TheWhiteBamba no it isn't. Otherwise how are people still using windows 7 while connecting it to internet at offices and internet cafes??
Most PCs in the world cant run Windows 11! AND THAT IS A FACT. I dont know what Microsoft was thinking when they made that Windows 11 requirements. All other Windows can run in any computer... Even if it is a patato pc 😂😂😂. Why they always Change a OS each it working perfectly... They just need to grab Windows 10, add some new stuff, and modernize the look. Thats all.
Well I dunno about that. Driver wise, Windows 10 and 11 are pretty much identical and the windows 11 drivers are just the windows 10 drivers. You can also bypass that tsm crap by burning your iso with Rufus, so windows 11 is pretty much as useable as windows 10.
Yeah, I have a X99 that can't run W11 because of the TPM 2.0 module.
Where did you get that figure from? Most of my friends are gamers so we all have custom made gaming rigs ...we can all run Windows 11 and my PC was only $2600....
They were thinking about how in the world to make new security hardware like TPM finally mandatory for hardware manufacturers to include and people to update to more secure Hardware.
It technically could run on older hardware without the new security features. The most important stuff is not visible to the user, so they don't know it's very important...
Windows 10 runs like a bloated operating system on older hardware. linux runs laps around windows in regards to performance on older hardware. Valve have giving linux a brighter future with their proton contributions. EA, EAC and rootkit enabled online multiplayer games and Microsoft can kick dirt.
I don't plan to upgrade to Windows 11 unless I absolutely have to. It will require a new computer and I am not willing to do that at the present time
It is possible to install without a new computer as long as your CPU isn't ancient. I have 11 installed without having to worry about Secure Boot, TPM, Bitlocker or online account enforcement. It wasn't difficult to do either.
W11 will run (or at least use to run) on everything from a Duo Core onward. Although you have to use a trick to install it on unsupported machines. It seems that the key requirement is the ability for the machine to handle 64-bit.
Is EA helping Microsoft with Extended Security Updates for Windows 10?
EA is the partner in making the monetization model for Extended Security Updates for Windows 10.
EA is too busy coming up with more ideas for how to implement -lootboxes- surprise mechanics in their games than care about what computer companies do.
There ought to be some legal requirement for Microsoft to continue support for 10 for a long time yet, as millions of people all over the world depend upon it. To virtually force everyone to throw away old computers and buy their new OS is bordering on the criminal.
Windows 98 is still used in certain countries along with Windows xp. I've seen it in operation on watching TV programmes in airports across the world
I still don't understand why Microsoft wants people to ditch Windows 10 so quickly. It's worth mentioning that when something like Windows 8.1 ended support, Windows 10 had already been out for 7 years. Heck, I pretty much got my Windows 10 system just a month before 11 was announced, and it's still only been a couple of years since launch.
AI is the investment watch word. Windows 11 is all about ripping your data for their Machine Learning
I don't even know if my computer can run Windows 11. It probably can but if I EVER have to upgrade, it will be the LTSC version, I don't want all the crap that comes bundled with the regular Windows 11. Also with every new windows release, more and more older software and games wont run anymore. Even VMware dropped full support for Windows XP guests. I'm just glad I kept an old version of VMware Player so I can still run my old Windows XP stuff and still have hardware acceleration.
Workstation 17.0.2 and VBox = dream team.
1. My computer - which I really like - can't be upgraded to Windows 11.
2. Windows 10 works perfectly with my software and hardware.
3. A payment of $30 per year isn't unreasonable, IMHO.
4. Being an old dog, I can't learn new tricks - such as Linux. 😉
Conclusion: I'll stick with 10 and pay the "rent".
Unless they want to pay for my new pc, I’ll get their extended update service or I’ll go with the third party (forgot their name at the moment) who will do the same but longer than MS will
The issue is that Windows 11 requires a hardware upgrade. It's not the first time it happened. When moving from XP to Windows 7, that also required a hardware upgrade. The thing is, when you have some fancy customized hardware to fit your use case it generally cost thousands of dollars to get it just right. So this move to Windows 11 will cost many thousands of dollars. Alternatively, maybe the old motherboard can be retrofitted with an accessory Trusted Platform Module. Who knows. Spending $30 to buy an extra year doesn't sound too bad.
Updates are overrated. The risk is higher without them, but it doesn't automatically mean something bad is gonna happen
Of course they are. It is became a coercive means of forcing the masses into the digital submission.
Great analysis. Thank you for the quality video.
If they removed the stupid AI stuff, I would upgrade, but until then. WINDOWS 10 IS SUPERIOR!
There is one feature that finally makes it worth upgrading to Windows 11 and that is being able to reinstall your current version of Windows without affecting your apps, settings and data. System > Recovery > Fix problems using Windows update. This feature has only been available for W11 for plus/minus one year now. It saved me from having to do a clean re-install and worked seamlessly. If this might convince you to upgrade from W10, upgrade to W11 23H2, not 24H2 just yet (as per the date of this posting).
You can already do that on Windows 10 by taking an ISO of the version that you're on and running an in-place upgrade.
it's not the user's fault, that they made Win11 not work on certain computers
Thanks for the news!
If they would just relax some of their system requirements, I’d gladly switch over to windows 11. The only reason myself, 4:00 and many others, are sticking with windows 10 is because our current systems are not compatible with windows 11.
Windows 11 has major performance and 1% low issues with Ryzen CPUs. All of my friends downgrade their prebuilds to W10 even the super less tech savvy ones know that W10 is best for gaming.
Microsoft better have that fixed by next year.
I all ready moved to Linux about a year ago for most of my daily activities. I mainly use Windows 10 for gaming but with the improvements with the Linux gaming options I have no problem dropping Microsoft on October 14th, 2025.
Which version of Linux did you go to and how tough was it getting use to that over Windows?
@@fizixx Mint has come a long way. It's arguably the most "like windows" linux distro you can find. And a lot more games are compatible with Linux lately too. For everything else, there's Wine.
@@DonkeyKong64InstructionBooklet Thank you! I *will* read this over. I'm at a point where I need something new, and I guess this is a good time to make the move.
Can I still use chrome and and chrome Adds on with Linux? There are still lot of game that underperform under Linux? I think if it’s possible, I would like to switch to Linux.
@@Mike-Dynamike I don't recommend chrome but yes it still works. Use the Store/Repository for the Linux version use want to use, to install it.
For my old laptop that couldn't go to Win 11, I upgraded to Ubuntu. Can't stress enough how much better it performs over win10. Even got the touchscreen working out of the box, which I wasn't expecting.
I definitely won't upgrade to Windows 11. I'll install Linux Mint, dualboot with Windows 10 and take my chances 😀
This is what I'm doing
From brazil here. I am an ubuntu user for 19 years. However I got a really old machine running windows 10 which I turn on once a month specifically to run a software provided by the government that runs on windows only (yes, I have tried wine and everything in between). I really dont see the government making their software available for linux so that machine will run windows 10 with or without microsoft's security updates. No, I wont pay for updates.
I'd happily upgrade to Win11 but my hardware isn't compatible...
You happily dont care about your privacy ?
I wouldnt even if my hardware was.
Don't. Recall is installed in 24h2 version of windows 11.
@@abhi.dx2345 Yeah,no.
I switched to Windows 10 iot 2021 yesterday. It works almost the same as normal one. I restored the Microsoft store easily. Downsides are lack of some transparent visual effects and I have a strange wallpaper glitch in the start menu (so I used the Start11 to replace that). Games and programs are working normally.
The glitch in the start menu is because of an error in latest nvidia drivers, it's not the fault of IoT. Downgrading drivers fixes it.
you can always use ltsc for free unactivated and it will be less bloated so it's actually really good
How would you get a download without having a volume licensing account? Not trusting the download to random websites.
@@Plazmal You can verify the hashes through various sources.
@@kunka592 If the hash isn't off Microsoft's website then you still can't verify the authenticity. Quite literally trusting random people on the internet.
@@kunka592 Unless the checksums are available on Microsofts website, there's no way to validate the authenticity of the hash and therefore the ISO. Still trusting random people on the internet.
Unless the checksums (hashes) are available Microsoft's website, a hash does not prove authenticity. You're still trusting random websites.
The relative failure of Windows 11 is due to the fact that unless you're willing to do a lot of workarounds and other crap, you have to buy a new computer to use it. I have four computers. Two of them are relatively new and only one of those will run Windows 11, which I won't use on it, one more is for work and is a 2012 Alienware laptop because it's all I need for what I do, and the last does what I'll euphemistically call "nefarious downloads." I KNOW Windows 10, and just because Microsoft needs to keep themselves in business is NO reason for me to buy all new computers so I can run their literal candy-coated Windows 11. Maybe I'll get Windows 12, maybe not.
I'm still using 8.1. Pro, and using Linux on the side. 😁
Win10 is GOAT.
Easily the best OS, even better than 7 in my opinion.
i despise win11 so much i'll stick with my 10 until my apps stop working
I went back and forth between Windows 10 and 11 so many times. I finally settled on Windows 11, because I don't mind it at all.
Since Microsoft decided to bully their users into buying new hardware in order to install Windows 11, I'm sure that explains why so many are holding out. I'm even seriously considering moving away from Microsoft totally by moving to a Mac and using macOS. There seems to only be a couple reasons not to, and many more reasons to do so.
Same here, but I will be moving to Linux because I'm poor by westerm standard 🙂
Try using Linux instead of Mac.
I used Windows 11 for a long time and after putting up with heaps of issues and the computer finally crashing completely, I had to do a complete reformat but went back to Windows 10. The difference between 10 and 11 is huge. I'm truly dreading having to eventually return to Windows 11. I would probably prefer Vista. LOL!
Was it an update or a fresh install?
@@boirfanman fresh install. I could not reboot to Windows so had no choice. Lucky, I could retrieve everything from the SSD card using a special hub. It was a pain in the butt though having to set everything up again. It took a few days to do it. But a huge relief being back on Windows 10.
@@NorsePJ Weird. Mine has been the same as 10. Are you on an old CPU?
@@boirfanman No. It came as 10 then I upgraded to 11. After the crash I reverted to 10. Lucky I made a recovery usb which was a bit of a life saver.
@@NorsePJ So an upgrade, not a fresh install. A fresh install doesn't suffer from the problems an upgrade will give you. Upgrades are never recommended.
The problem is Windows 11 fucking sucks and NOBODY prefers it over Windows 10. It's that simple. I'll sooner switch to Linux (which I don't understand at all) than use Windows 11.
Well, you found one, it's been a rock solid OS for me from day 1.
Windows 10... Then by end of life, I'm switching to linux. Probably Mint.
yeah you're stuck on 21h2 with the latest IoT LTSC version... but then again do you really want that co-pilot feature installed anyway 🤔
great video! I managed to switch to linux after so many years of trying, so I don't have to rely on Win11.
windows 7 was the last good windows version
Guess its time for Linux Mint
Wow, what a shock. Some people can't afford a new PC.
Even if win10 ended I might still use it, it’s still better than win11 after all
Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 gets support until 2032 though. Not that it really matters to me, since I've moved to Windows 8.1 recently lol.
No that is only for IoT version
@@ThioJoe And the difference between the two is in the method of authorisation. Any installation of 2021 LTSC can be converted to IoT just by updating the 25 character key. Only IoT can be authorised online by the MS servers directly. Note that there is no way to move a licence between machines. No phone setup and no Microsoft Account. It's also very hard to get hold of on the grey market.
I bought 40 licenses for IoT development. It fully updates to the final 21H2 version. It will get all security updates till 2032 and it fully implements all the W10 Enterprise features, so the only reason for not using it on the desktop is that the IoT licence SPECIFICALLY prohibits it.
@@ThioJoe Yea but the IoT and non-IoT editions are the same basically. Although yea, I should have specified I meant the IoT edition.
@@adrianandrews2254prohibits me bum. until microsoft does anything about mas i will take IoT and do some epic gaming 💪
@@ingulari3977 They're the same OS underneath, just with slightly different feature flags, and LTSC doesn't have the bloatware from normal W10. You almost certainly could patch normal W10 to accept LTSC updates, as has previously been done for POSReady 2009 updates on XP, Server 2008 Premium Assurance updates on Vista, POSReady 7 updates on W7, Embedded 8 Industry Pro updates on W8.0, and Server 2012 R2 ESU updates on 8.1.
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I still think Windows 11 is great. But I do agree there's quite a few things that needs to change like yesterday.
in my experience the LTSC has been perfect. It's just windows 10 without any pre installed Store apps (this includes the store itself), basically pre-debloated windows for you
They aren't worried; they have been planning to do such thing as they did before with Windows 7. Reastically, most users would prefer migrating to Windows 11 or Windows 12 (probably released next year) over paying for this 1-year ESU based on previous experience. Experience is the best teacher.
For Home simple users like me who do some documents watch RUclips Linux mint just saved me
i will just pirate ltsc for free updates until 2032
Tell me how you get on with that project.
@@adrianandrews2254 once windows 10 pro goes out of support i will do it
I'm paying. I have my case, but not ready to build in it yet. I'm actually going to dual boot my next build. Win 11 for games and Linux for everything else. I'm building an AMD system due to the recent issues with the last two gen Intel processors.
Don't bother paying, it's only for one year. Just switch to Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021. It's supported until 2032.
Microsoft will still install "security updates" on Windows 7, which is their fancy way of saying we are just putting Microsoft Edge on your outdated system. If they can do that, then there is no reason for them to be EOSing W10, let alone making people pay for updates...
The fun thing is that if Windows weren't so widespread and every company used Linux it wouldn''t cost a cent to update or do anything with the pcs
you can't blame people not switching to buggy windows 11, and switching to and open-source os like linux distro
Switched to Linux windows 10 was my last Windows.
Whelp, I already switched to linux. ;D
A step ahead!
I run iot LTSC 2021 and I haven’t found any problems yet.
With the update to windows 11, and being tricked into it, I abandoned windows and switched to Linux permanently. I only ever used windows because of the games, but with them trying to control my data, I'm done.
I was a windows user for many years and loved it. Win 11 updates crashed my laptop. I'm fed up with MS and never going back!
If microsoft remove the requirements of windows 11 and said everyone can use windows 11 and give some updates to improve performance then many will upgrade to windows 11 and forget about linux no one gonna switch to it linux don't have proper support for drivers softwares and games too
Thank god - no “feature” updates!
I just want an OS that “just works” - without having to adjust to a dozen new “improvements” every so often.
Everyone stick to Windows 10 and then they’ll be forced to update it.
MS lowered their first given extended support cost, I believe it was $69 a year, and double each following year, to non-business clients, to this lowered price no doubt realizing with the number of users that wished to or had to due to PC specs would remain on Win 10, would would make usage of Zero Patch, rather then going with MS extended support prices, with MS hoping they will still make $money$ in offering extended support for Win 10, since few would have made use of MS extended support at their prior announced price Vs Win 10 users subscribing to Zero Patch, 'Greed work in mysterious ways'!, I have one PC running 10, that doesn't meet the requirements of Win 11, I was going to run Zero Patch on, after Win 10 EOL, recently built a new gaming PC, started with Win 11, and after suffering from MS's repeated buggy updates on Win 11, bought a Win 10 key, and am back to Win 10.
Boom. Microsoft is worried about many people still using windows 10, so the only logical option would be to move to linux!
Some people will, most people won't.
Just did. Linux Mint 2 weeks ago.
As a gamer, I already start partition my pc into Windows 10 and Steam OS. Since I don't play games from EA, Blizzard etc, I'm happy most of my games in Steam library are supported under Steam OS, not mentioning others from GOG library. I want to reduce Windows usage down to once or twice per month, and this will be the breaking point where i don't need Windows anymore. Also, once my Xbos S is down, I will jump ship to playstation for games that are not available in Windows. I do recognize hardware driver support is weak in Linux community especially for nVidia, even though right now we have Wayland in developement, it will take some time to get matured.
I know everyone will prefer to stay at their comfort zone, why not take a brave step forward, you might find something better than what you have now. If all fails, then you can always fall back with no regrets. Don't let your life kidnapped by a stupid operating system.
The auto updating in Window 11 is ridiculous. I could manage to stop it in windows 10.
Thanks for another helpful video! 🙏🏻 I think you’re a bit too forgiving of Windows 11. The UI is much more sluggish than Windows 10, which itself is often less responsive and more fragmented than Windows 7. I mean, it’s 2024. What are we even doing here?
What are we doing here Harry. Our pets...