55. De-rusting and repainting my narrowboat gas locker
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2016
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Now back at Yelvertoft, my narrowboat gets taken out of the water so that I can tackle the rusty gas locker properly, using Fertan rust treatment followed by red oxide primer, bilge paint and then two coats of Intertuf 16 blacking for good measure.
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Bosch wire brush: geni.us/CtC_WireBrush
Fertan rust treatment: geni.us/CtC_Fertan
Hammerite Red Oxide Primer: geni.us/CtC_HammeriteRedOxide
Teamac Bilge Paint: geni.us/CtC_BilgePaint
International Intertuf 16: geni.us/CtC_Intertuf16
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I think the DIY videos are the funniest. The commentary is class.
I do admire the diligent care you give your boat and the fact that you didn't scream, " Oh bugger!", when you were flooded.
mikewlkr2
You are a star. Your videos are all entertaining from beginning to end. Watched them all now, and will continue doing so. I suspect you've done this kind of work before, as you are a natural. I wish you continued success.
Mike
Thank you. Former local TV news reporter ;-)
I have spent an enjoyable few evenings watching all of your vlogs in chronological order and I am now up to date.
Keep up the good work! Can't wait to see more of them.
Thank you! That's quite some viewing marathon :-)
To be honest , I think the maintenance on a home would be a lot more, cutting the grass, watering the grass and trees Etc. pruning, and other house and yard work. You did a VERY good job de rusting and painting. "WELL DONE, THAT MAN" I have enjoyed 55 of the vlogs I watched over a week. Thank You David for making these !
Thank you. Yes I don't miss cutting the grass!!
If the marina business ever dries up! I chuckled!
Finally a use for a spirit level on a boat.
:-)
You've become quite a handyman. Well done. You'll be rebuilding your engine before long.
Steady on, let's not get carried away ;-)
Good video, I like hard work, I can watch people do it for hours!
Or even days in this case!
For never having done this before, I think you did a pretty decent job of it. Earlier this year, I made a similar error sanding down some wooden deck furniture. I thought I had enough fresh air and didn't worry about a proper mask. I breathed in far too much wood dust and I ended up with my lungs irritated and breathing issues that lasted about 2 weeks. I learned my lesson. I was quite worried that I may have done some permanent damage to myself but in time it finally cleared up.
another top production with brilliant camera views, edits and narrative. Also a top tip to put a spirit level on the roof when next out of water to ensure that there is a slight tip up at the front and level side to side.
I know this is four years old now but if you have to "do your gas locker" again, you may want to think about electrolysis. O-Level Chemistry is your friend. Fill you gas locker with an ionic solution (preferably not salt water), isolate your boat electrics, you'd have to plug the drain holes. Attach your boat chassis to the negative pole of a battery (your boat probably is negative earth), find a piece of scrap metal (sacrificial anode) attach it to the positive and dunk it in the ionic solution. It may work YMMV.
This has been one of my favourite video's I love anything DIY !! Good job done.
:-)
Nice job on both lockers a buddy has been a deckhand on a NYC ferry he like you hates scraping rust. He says I finally get from bow to stern and the chief says " take a day off the start in on the rust in the bow! " !! 34 years and 90% of my time. Is scraping rust.
Time flies when your having fun narrow boating wish I was there with my own but the wife looked at me like I had two heads.
Who knows maybe I'll hit the lotto
Cheers from the states!!
We have a saying here about things being "like painting the Forth bridge" (it being a very long bridge in Scotland); once you finish, you start again!
Its amazing how grand a narrative this struggle with the gas locker seemed to become. The drama, the action, the turmoil and the eventual triumph.
After reaching this part in the series it seems like a full story arc's just concluded, whether it be intentional or not.
great job David! & your banged up horn is killing me... hey at least you get a story out of it!
Years in the Merchant Navy has taught me that the only way to scrape away a rusty deck is to use a "Needle Gun". They are powered by an air compressor and will do a first class job in a fraction of the time it takes to do it with a wire brush. I would be very surprised if the Marina doesn't have the kit somewhere and they may be prepared to hire it for a few quid.
Methods learned in navy to remove rust: use a hammer * for 95%, then a angle grinder, for the 4.99%, then the phosphoric acid for the 0.01%, then Rustoleum red primer and top coat. Safety gear: ear and eye protection for the hammer work, dustproof eye protection and filtermask for the grinding, and rubber gloves for the acid work..
* Steel is much more flexable then the rust so a good wack will easily break nearby crusty rust loose.
Best learned by watching others wield the chipping hammers in the hot sun.
Excellent info, thank you.
I use a wire wheel on a 4.5" angle grinder for rust removal of this type after tapping the loose stuff with a hammer. If you want a smoother finish use a flap wheel on the grinder afterwards.
Great job from a cinematography/documentary point of view. Shows you used to be in the biz!
Thank you Trevor!
Loved it! Super helpful and fun video! :)
Went past Yelvertoft marina a couple of weeks back was impressed with the separate slipway to the marina. Watching this for immigration and encouragement as the gas locker is on the list of things to do soon.
You are just SO enjoyable, thank you for the videos!
fantastic video once again !! please keep plenty coming
Excellent - full of useful information - as always.
What you urgently need are two apprentices. Out on the Deep Blue unsuspecting first-trip apprentices always get these lovely tank cleaning jobs!
Haha, not a bad idea!
Well done, I love the way you handle your challenges.
Hi, finding these type of videos terrific. Can' t have too many. Thanks
Jobs are well jobbed! Looks impressive
It looks so much better! And your marina guys are very helpful it seems!
Great job bro looking good.
UPDATE! Let's see how the gas locker is doing 4 years on!
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LOVE THE VLOGS
Thanks
Wow.. thats a great Job there David... the blackening was strangely satisfying
good job well done,congrats
Thanks so much for posting this, I'm about to tackle my gas locker & was going for a similar approach, great to see that it worked!
Good luck!
I respect all the hard work you put into your boat. It is an inspiration and helps motivate me to work on my camper trailer remodel.
Thank you. I hope yours is coming along nicely!
Such satisfying results. The state of the locker and gas locker would have bothered me too. Excellent work!
Job well done, mate
Brilliant job done on the lockers Dave well done well done that will last for years
I hope so, the water's already back in and sitting there now I'm on the move again. Grrr.
You're very thorough with what you do, and the filming is very clear and easy to follow. I'm sure the lockers will remain free of rust for the remainder of the boats lifetime, hope so anyway. Can't beat old fashioned elbow grease for a good finish.
I just found your vlogs today, and I admire what you are doing.......
Thanks
Great job!
Thank you. :-)
nice looks great,always something todo ,fair winds,,paul
A good job well done!
Ta
Hiya David. Could you possibly cut a pvc pipe in half and glue it to the side in the well deck to fashion a culvert. Of course, cutting it in to the exact measurements. Possibly a coat of putty around it. (( Only thinking out loud )) 😊 great job 👍
ALWAYS well worth watching, learning and inwardly reflecting... A picture (well video ) is worth a thousand views - perhaps questioners on CWDF should look here first before asking qiestions......
Great job-sooo much work🥴
That is pretty!
Watching your series on Amazon. I wanted to jump forward in time and see you do this job though.
I love Rust Converter I use it all the time on the farm, I have yet to have to re-due any particular job, I put rust converter on our Turkey Barn Feed Silo tanks on the outside ten years ago and painted it and it still is holding...my rust converter turns white the next day, and it says to re-scratch it with wire brush so I do... than paint ..strange stuff but it works...nice job...PS I love Marine Paint we use it on our Farm Equipment....little more expensive but worth every cent.....its Awesome....Cheers
That's nicely reassuring! Thanks.
savage job well done
Thanks
Fab job guys 👍
Ta
Bravo! Good job.
:-)
Usually, on larger boats, a tool called a needle scaler is used to knock rust off. It's a pneumatic tool with a bouquet of hardened steel rods that bang the rust loose.
These blokes are good guys lucky you 🤔🇬🇧and a nice place to live xxx
Yes, I am indeed lucky.
Neat work!!!
Thanks
Using a vacuum when cleaning paint, rust, and such, works very well. Don't forget to wear your mask though. Some tools even have vacuum connections on them. For example: many powered hand sanders.
You did a good job..
Just a note about the use of rust convertor chemicals like the Fertan: DON'T dip your brush directly into the bottle, or pour the unused product back into the bottle! The Fertan and others chemically react with rust to "convert" it to a hard, plastic-like surface, and since your brush will invariably pick up some rust flakes, they'll be put back into the bottle. The next time you go to use the bottle of Fertan you'll find that they entire bottle has been "converted" and is now useless!
In the States there are similar products from Rust-Oleum and others, available at Wal-Mart and auto parts stores, as it works well on rust no matter where it's located, and I've used it on cars for decades.
This was a lot of precise and technical work on your part. Very well done.
It seems that the boat yard crew should have known to raise the bow so that any rain water flowed aft. Oh, well...
Best Of Luck, and Happy Cruising
Yes, that was annoying! The slope was only very slight but just enough to be a nuisance.
Got the same problem for the same reason. I've been wondering if I should wait until it's out the water next year so you have persuaded me. Great job well done. 👍🏼
Have fun (!!)
Five years late but I'm just watching tghis as I'm about to do the same job. However, I'm very envious of your 'port locker' (5mins 56secs) - I consider myself to have a pretty well stocked drinks cabinet but that would take one heck of a lot of port!
Well done, that got me tired just watching you, bet you saved a ton of money by jumping in and doing it yourself, now all you've got to do is the outside paint, fun day's ahead :0) Cheers from the US of A
Ah, I did some touch-ups on the outside but didn't film it, not too interesting. Cheers
Presumably after the torrential rain you described David you re-named it the Not-So-Well deck ??!! 😎😲😨
Have a spot of tea..watch the ads and help him out!
Thank you :-)
I snicker to myself every time I see that horn come by at 6:29.
nice work
Ta
I don't know about that rust converter but the brand POR 15 you just paint on with a brush let it work per the instructions, basically it converts the rust to a different type of oxide that is more stable, black in color, essentially it's like bluing for firearms or tool blacking, it's a hard durable surface that protects the steel underneath. Then simply paint over it.
I would consider investing in a corded 4.5 inch angle grinder. You can get them fairly cheap from Screwfix and wire wheels for them are cheap too. They shift rust for breakfast and although noisy, make mincemeat of de rusting. I bought one years ago for £25 and have restored countless engines and other bits and bobs. It owes me nothing. You could use the marina genny to operate it. Just a thought.
A good recommendation is always welcome! That said, hopefully rust jobs like this won't come along too often.
Absolutely agree. I paid £11 for my grinder from Homebase for just this type of work
When it next comes out to do the well deck and lockers can a flat bar be welded into the well deck lockers corner so the water runs straight thru the locker and out the drain hole without swamping the deck locker. Be a shame to do it now and remove all that work but worth doing if grading back to bare metal. Another pleasurable video.
No, because theoretically that would be a slight barrier to any low lying gas that escaped from the cylinders & that's not permissible.
I wonder if it is a good idea to basically make a little dam inside the welldeck lockers so that any liquid coming from the welldeck is channeled right out the hole again without getting into the locker proper. After all the lockers are covered, so theoretically water shouldn't be able to get in there from above. if you want to try it out, you probably could use the silicon-esque stuff you used along with that magnet on the roof.
So many ‘helpers/experts’ posting here on this one, David. 😂
It's a man thing! Every time a man sees another man doing DIY he'll have something to add. I love it! Sometimes it slows you down or annoys you but it's a part of life. Occassionally you learn something ( probably that they don't know what they're talking about). I have learned some very useful stuff though.
Looking good. I am dreading taking my water tank cover off to do a similar job with that. I may go for one of these plastic expanding water tank so I don't have to deal with corrosion any more.
I think that sounds like an excellent idea!
To keep the drain holes above the waterline, load the boat down at the back, it should lift the boat up at the front, you should experiment with sandbags if that works use heavier steel blocks. P.S. Love the vlogs, should make into full length series.
Thanks but I don't want the boat permanently tipped down at the back and it wouldn't be secure enough as a solution to work on it like that. Cheers though. Not sure what you mean by full length series, there are 50+ vlogs already, how much more length can I do?!!
We had same problem on ours. Took out 290kg of ballast from the front half, that cured it !!! Boat actually handles better too, bonus! All the best from Bill & Jayne (Hatton flight).
Can't even get to the ballast on mine without ripping everything up :-(
great way to clean a boat.
3:36 HAHAHA! No shame in proving your hard work my friend!
I noticed the hoses do not have the new hose ends. They are designed so if a leak occurs suddenly it shuts off gas. It also means you have to slowly open the valve or gas does come thru.
It is fascinating to watch the progression from "nah, just slap some Hammerite on top of it" a year ago, to "some Fertan, then some primer, and then a couple of layers of paint" today.
Haha, if I could get away with slapping on the Hammerite, I'd still do it!
It wasn't a good idea to begin with certainly. But I imagine it makes quite a difference when you realize this bit of metal is your home, and you absolutely don't want it to break down on you!
The old Hammerite was always intended as a stop-gap.
That's what I said before losing an old bus to rust and mold. Glad you're better than me in this department!
I prefer the bow arrangement where the gas bottles are stored in compartments on the well deck and what you have as your Gas locker is the water tank. It means the legally required gas locker bottom vents are above the water line.
Technically speaking mine are above it - just not by enough! But I agree, I'd rather have the gas lockers at the back on the stern (see my recent "reflections" vlog)
Mean while back in the Bat cave LOL :-):-):-):-)
I was thinking to myself "Why not use that blacking on the inside too if it's good enough for the outside?" and then you did, plus paint. Water is going to have a tough time getting through that.
Damn good job of work done proper! :D
Hmm... I wonder if you could mount some sort of ball valve on those waterline drain holes to stop water slopping in so much.
You can now add Rustmaster to your Lockmaster narrow boat honorific :-) Looks like all that hard work was worth it.
I hope so. If it rusts through anytime soon, I'll scream.
Fingers crossed you're not screaming anytime soon, but I reckon you'll be OK.
"Ran like Niagara".
Ever been? That's my home province; we're visiting this summer. I'll post a picture for you.
Yes, I had a lovely week in Toronto a few years ago including a day trip to Niagara; did the boat trip into the spray etc… happy memories 😀
nice job all over. looks terrific. i wonder if there is a better way of venting the gas locker that you dont get water coming in to it. i understand why the vents have to be so low, but there has to be a way of getting the vapors out but keeping the water from coming in.
It has to be at floor level so what it really needs was the whole locker to be taller in the original design
Good work.... how many layers?! You do a good job of it. I just used fertan and then blacking. Had O seen you video I would have got red oxide and bilge paint also
Nice to see a #PoshBloke doing a bit of #DIY :-)
Posh?!
I thought you were Prince Charles' nephew?? ;-)
Hahahahahaha.
From my experience I have found many of the rust treatments have disappointing long term effectiveness, including the one you are using. A treatment that I found to be most effective was to clean as much rust off as possible and then paint the steel with a Shellac based lacquer (I have used a product called Renewit) which has the effect of penetrating the deepest rust and sealing it up against oxygen so stopping further corrosion . For the paint finish, add some of the lacquer to the primer as well. Once applied then apply paint systems on top. In a wet environment I would suggest something like Epoxy pitch as used on the oil rigs.
A further comment would be to finish paint the inside of lockers etc with a light colour finish.
In your case you may find welding in a new floor may be required at some point in the future if the rust has deeply penetrated the steel, which is looks as though it has.
Looks good. Interested to hear how it lasted.
It seems OK at present but because of ongoing water ingress will probably need looking at again in detail sometime.
Morning Dave How’s the gas locker paint work holding up.has the rust converter done it’s job
Pipe with bend facing towards stern on waterline would probably stop water from entering when going ahead and in locks
A year or so late but. Have you looked at using a truck bed liner spray like Rino lining in these areas? Your channel got me hooked on Narrowboats. I do own a 25 foot sail boat unfortunately there is a serious lack of canals here on the west coast of the US. I can sail by the Queen Marry and surrounding cost but your views are spectacular.
Can't say that I have (or even know what that is). I'm hoping the water-resistant blacking will do the job, as it does on the hull.
CruisingTheCut Over here in the US it's a textured spray on liner that is waterproof and made to take a beating. It looks like they call it line-x on your side of the world.
I'll have a look; cheers.
If you ever have to do that sort of rust removal again an angle grinder with a twist steel wire brush and a “stripper wheel” (not as fun as it sounds but certainly dirty) will make fast work of the rust.
I live in USA in Oregon state our weather is like yours as a welder you did a good job but how thin is base plate? you may have to replace the bottom plate later.
The boat base plate is 10mm but unfortunately I don't know the gas locker thickness. The sides of the hull are 6 and the cabin sides 5 or 4mm so I'm guessing the locker's 6/5ish!
hope you welded the hole up to stop the water getting in and drilling another one above the waterline
All the holes are above the waterline! Else the boat would sink. It's just not *enough* above. It can't be closed and another made higher up because it has to be at the level of the locker floor, so that any escaped propane would flow out of it (since propane sinks)
Were you ever advised on sandblasting, for this job?
8:12 That was a classic MacGyver
All done with no cheese butty in sight.But it,s going to protect the boat far into the future,well done that man.Now get it back into the water and show us some ducks.
It's long been back in, that was done in June :-)
AH didn't notice the date.
i would weld a tube in locker so water goes straight thru to the outsides and not in the locker as for the gas spot well not much there unless you can do same thing so water flows out at some point if its level probably not but a angle would work for steel boat makers for future boats if nothing else
Yeah, I don't think the gas locker baseplate was put in this one properly.
Is it still ok the paintjob? A quarter of a steel pipe (cut in the lenght) welded in the welldeck lockers could allso easily do the job! Anyways happy to see the vlogs keep um coming😃
Seems to be OK but with the water still splashing the locker daily, it's never going to last forever, unfortunately.