This song is....a lot. Vocal Coach reacts to Lorna Shore "Welcome Back, O' Sleeping Dreamer"
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2024
- There's no doubt that Lorna Shore's music is a playground of vocal technique, and basically a candy store for vocal coaches and vocal enthusiasts. And Lorna Shore has written some of the best deathcore bangers in the past few years. All that being said, by the time I got to the end of this song I was pretty over it. But hey, we all like different stuff and if you love "Welcome Back, O SLeeping Dreamer" then I say enjoy every brutal second of it!
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Mark, can you please be the first to tell us how big the vocal drop is from Will from the solo into the breakdown, in the solo he is so high he almost dissapears from my hearing and then he drops to almost subsonic... no one as of yet has told us how big that drop is... still dying to know... :)
And can you please do a reation to this one : ruclips.net/video/NqOdSD3GCN0/видео.htmlsi=bp75MYTFSksgeLHg
Re: the torsion of the false folds, there's actually an Italian band (I forget the name unfortunately) whose vocalist is also a phonetician, and he made at least one laryngoscope video of himself doing a one-take of one of their songs. I remember stumbling across it just after the Operation Throat Cam video, and his false folds remained straight. Now I get that a sample size of 2 isn't a solid basis for any kind of conclusion, but eh, it's something. I'll keep digging and post the title here, but maybe you'll have more luck.
Larcenia Roe just dropped a song with Yasmine that you just spoke with. pretty solid to me
I also had 2 ruptured l4 l5 and i had to learn to walk again that was back in 2020
Marc: OWAAHHH OWAAAAAHHH OWAAAAH AH AH
ME in my chair: OWAH AH AH AH
They opened with this when I saw them in October of 2022 and it was just... glorious.
Perfect song to open to.
My first time seeing them was before this album and they opened with To The Hellfire, then when I saw them in 2022 they opened with this song and it was wonderful.
They still opening shows with this one ;)
I saw them last month and the opened with it. Shit went OFF
Same, I saw them in November of 2022 in Cleveland and they opened with this. I love that they played To The Hellfire 3rd and closed with the PR Trilogy. They played the whole AIRTN ep all in a row and also played Immortal. Amazing show
This is my favorite on the album. I dig the rhythmic changes between all the breakdowns, but it's the chorus that gets me everytime.
I know it’s easily the most menacing song of all time.
That drum switch up at the beginning gets me every time
@@MySkilletfan The blegh part?
That scream at the beginning is fucking glorious
It's pretty dope, yeah!
Yes forsure and I love the way he says “Frozen” in the third breakdown also. That second syllable sounds like it comes from his very soul it’s crazy how powerful it is
Austin Archey is the drummer and he is indeed a drumming beast! Lorna Shore is full of world class musicians!
Absolutely!
Great video !! you should check out soulless existence, there’s not a single breakdown in it, and it’s by far my favorite song from them. The end is just a pure masterpiece
God, Soulless Existence has got to be in my top 3 off the Pain Remains Album, up there with Sun//Eater and the trilogy itself (counting it as one song because why not)
Soulless Existence is amazing.
I commented somewhere before that one could easily imagine that Soulless Existence is a "solo" song from Will, and he worked with the guys from Lorna Shore who provided instrumentals...to support Will's vocals.
It's a duet from Adam and Will, and the guitar having equal prominence means that we don't get a bursty solo in a few snatched seconds as is more the norm.
It's just fantastic songwriting, musicianship and arrangement. The chord progression and melody are some of the most amazing in any genre, never mind one this deep in metal; it's simply beautiful.
It's currently vying for spot of favorite song, for me.
Soulless Existence is my favorite song they’ve ever done. That song (and the Pain Remains trilogy) are them at their most emotional and creative. Absolutely beautiful atmosphere and melodies. Love how melancholic and dramatic it is
I’m glad that Soulless Existence is getting so much love
3rd breakdown was my favorite personally, to each their own.
Your balance between expertise and humour keeps me here 😄👏
I love this song. The slide in the intro to the high with the break in it just gets me going
I can understand that!
especially in their live performances, getting that as your first vocal from a band is such a vibe since they often use this song as an intro
So stoked for this! This song is so fire, it's one of the few 7+ minute songs I can listen to without getting bored lmao
I'm glad to see that you are getting a lot of videos out now. Love the content no matter how long it takes.
Nice, one of my favourite songs from them. 🙂
For a face slammer song, three breakdowns gets the job done. I'm wiped afterwards and this is the first song on the record lol the whole album is fantastic imo
Heck yeah!!! I've been hoping you would eventually get to this song.
It happened - eventually, haha!
Will's vocals on this are obviously incredible, and these analysis videos are super helpful, so I'm happy to see another one of these, but I'm also glad you were honest about the song being a bit tired towards the end. I did a written "review" as I listened to the album, and I remember noting that several of the additional breakdowns were a bit overkill and started to pull their respective songs down. That said, these guys obviously know what they're doing, considering their success, so I can't judge, haha
Subjective. Many of us think it’s the best on the album lol
@@Weather_Nerd and that's fine, too, I was just saying that I agreed with Mark. That's our subjective opinion
@@AgainstTheeWickedlyMusic I think the additional breakdowns work better for a live audience then they do when listening to a song on demand, same with the instrumental openings, I normally skip forward through them if i'm listening whilst I'm cooking or something. So I can understand how when listening to the songs a lot the additional breakdowns can begin to feel a bit much.
1st song on the album, and I'm sure I read somewhere that they wanted to open with a flood of pure brutality.
It worked!
Saw them live in Southampton, UK & Manchester, UK and Will is one of (if not the best) vocalist I've seen live - crushes it every damn time!
Who gives a damn :D
Drummer's name is Austin Archey and I still believe 100% he's the best drummer in the world at this point. He crushes everything and makes it look so easy!
Aaaaye 100 points to the non-skipper! Also thanks for telling me who their insane drummer is!
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Who gives a damn 🤘🤘
I can 100% understand being overwhelmed by requests for Pain Remains when it came out. You've done a reaction video to Pain Remains I, but I know I'm not alone in saying I'd love to see your reaction to all three parts! If you're not up for half an hour of Lorna Shore, the absolute best song on that album is Sun//Eater. In my opinion, it beats the whole Pain Remains trilogy combined lol
Hey man, I understand the feeling about being burnt out on the music. I change up who I listen to all the time just because I don't want to make the music's impact become less so. Cudos to you on opening up on that.
I'm actually not so surprised that you were "...pretty over it" by the end of the song because of how Lorna Shore decided to write this particular song. Moreover, I got the impression from watching your reactions to their music videos--and Will's one-take videos--that you overall became, shall we say, less enamored with each of their releases since hearing "To the Hellfire"? I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that you enjoyed that one the most, and certainly for good reason. I love that song, but I also know the band just answered "yes" to the question of how many breakdowns they wanted to use in that song. I agree to an extent that the breakdowns become less impactful the more often they use them in a song; that being said, there are certainly songs where there's really only one quick breakdown and they move on. I don't mind how Lorna Shore's music have become noticeably formulaic, but I certainly understand the position of those who are over it.
I've seen people comment that apparently the band are going to change things up for the next album, and it's rumored that Will may even include some singing here and there. Granted, I haven't heard the whole pantheon of deathcore, but it's my understanding that Kyle Anderson was one of the first deathcore vocalists to include some singing (well, it's the chorus, really) in the band's song, "Exodus." I hope that Lorna Shore's new album will rekindle the Hellfire felt from that impactful music video.
Regarding the question of whether the apparent lyrics that a choir sings in Lorna Shore's songs have any meaning, I think they definitely choose meaningful text for the lyrics. The Latin in this particular song doesn't sound like any liturgical text I'm familiar with (I sing a lot of Latin in the choirs I sing with), so I'm sure the text compliments the thematic elements of the English lyrics. I do wish Lorna Shore would include the Latin (and Greek; more on that in a moment!) text in the lyrics that are shown in the booklet and streaming services; I think it would be very cool to check out what they mean. So, as for the Greek text, one of the first things I noticed about their song, "Sun//Eater" was that they recorded a children's/youth choir sing the text "Kyrie Eleison," which as you may know is Greek for "Lord have mercy," and is used in the Mass Ordinary. Furthermore--and interestingly--the choir doesn't sing the followup sentence, "Christe Eleison," and I think you can make an accurate guess as to what that means. Rather, the kids sing "Domine," which is Latin for "Lord." I think that text is appropriate for the thematic elements of "Sun//Eater"'s lyrics, but I'll spare everyone my analysis of that.
Lastly, I think Lorna Shore do hire choral singers to record for their songs; and I suspect this to be the case because the singers in the choir aren't always rhythmically aligned (so many words for "sloppy"); this is especially noticeable in the song, "Immortal." I hear the choir being a little rhythmically sloppy in "Welcome Back, O Sleeping Dreamer" as well. My guess is that no one was conducting them while they were recording--but, let's be real--singers tend to suck when it comes to rhythm. All in all, the rhythmic inconsistencies from the choir confirm to me that they're not digital.
I'm glad you still enjoyed Will's vocals despite you not liking the breakdowns that ended up just being a part of the verses of the song. I really appreciate the lessons and analyses that you gave us, even though the song didn't do much for you as a whole. Thank you for your professionalism; it's one of the many reasons why I enjoy your videos and your takes and lessons. I look forward to your eventual analysis of a song by Disembodied Tyrant & Synestia. I think you'll enjoy it! I recommend "I, the Devourer." And any song from Disembodied Tyrant's EP "The Divine Stigmata" is also fantastic (though I think you'd probably enjoy "Reincarnation" the most from that). I think a reaction of a Van Canto song would also be fun for you; their cover of Metallica's "Battery" is especially cool, I think.
Much love to you, Mark. Thank you for the great content!
Amazing content in this channel and I like how you explain the techniques used in order to achieve the differente types of scream. One thing I haven't seen from anyone on the web is the variations of the baselines of a false chord or fry. So basically what I mean, is when you explain how a screan or noise is created you are spot on the gesticulation, tongue placement y base line technique, but you never mentioned the technique on the base line that gives the proper tone, texture and compression to the output of the false chord itself before modifying in your mouth. This information would definetly help if we were to immitate the voice and not just make the right noise, in this case, Will's voice, and many of us may for example, make a gutural sound right, sound like it should, but never make it sound like Will's because the base line is different. At this point I'm not sure if some of us just can't achive the same sound or it's simply genetic. I appreciate what you do, I hope you read this and provide inputs. Regards,
brand of sacrifice, lorna shore, slaughter to prevail, and paleface are my inspirations for screaming. i feel like ive learned a lot and you always have the basics to show me. thanks man!
Thanks for watching!
Mark, I love your style of reacting, the explanations n everything.
But my man, you can't, and I repeat, you CAN NOT stop at the one single BLEGH Lorna Shore actually has, lol
Pausing at the worst possible time is my best skill
it literally could not have been timed more perfectly even with knowing the track inside out, it's kinda hilarious
This is honestly one of my favorite songs on the entire album and probably one of my favorite deathcore songs ever made
The cog in the machine mini-rant in the beginning hits home as someone that was unemployed for awhile and has partaken in a few brews tonight. Societal pressure is rough sometimes.
You lost me on the taking a break from a video game rant though 😂
My favorite sounds from Will are the wierd lows with that high frequency in it. At the end of into the earth there is an epic one of those. Its almost dissonant and i love it.
Austin is an amazing drummer. He’s crazy
Hey @KardavoxAcademy I hoped, you would cover the sound Will does at 09:05 . It sounds to me like he uses a lot of his Sinus paranasale and a closed mouth. Damn that sounds soooo good.
Who gives a damn? We all need breaks. Sometimes I bounce from Metal to EDM to Rap/Hip Hop to Jazz and classical. Austin is a true beast of a man. Their whole crew is insane at what they do. Glad you're feeling better!
This song & Into the Earth are my favorite ones on this album right now, but they're all sick af \m/
Austin Archey is their drummer. He’s an absolute unit.
Definitely!
I have self-reflected enough, Mark, and I STILL LOVE EVERY HEAVY BREAKDOWN! (I’m a fan of beatdown though and still think your opinion is valid).
Great open. Thank you! The overwhelming amount of lorna was immense 😂. I couldn't handle it either and I still haven't had a full album playthrough yet.
You’re missing out. The album is such a great concept album and is honestly best played straight through instead of just listening to the singles imo. To each their own though, you like what you like.
@@robdurfee6861 idk will is phenomenal Austin too. I just can't get into the music in general. I love their other stuff just can't find the same sound they tried to put out. I'll definitely give it a fill playthrough with headphones but so far idk it hasn't felt genuine to me
@@robdurfee6861 you ever checked out sheol by shrine of malice or odyssey to the west by slice the cake. Also two concept albums both extremely different and very amazing. You should give em a listen if not!!
Thanks for the video ! While this one is your typical breakdown heavy LS track, I was really surprised by the diversity that the Pain Remains trilogy brought to the album. Those might be the most interesting ones to take a look out, as they take deathcore vocals into uncharted ballad territories
That chorus is one of my favorite parts in all of music
Yes. Yes. And yes again. Everyone is talking about breakdowns but they are not even close to that chorus.
Who gives a damn? The song is so good, though. They really crushed it with this album. Austin Archey is an absolute madman, machinegun rapid fire blasts for days. Thanks for the content as always, Mark!
aaaaye you're a real one!
Nah that's you, man. Always providing insanely quality content. I may not be a vocalist myself, but it fascinates me to no end, so between you and Elizabeth, I've got no end of interesting information!@@KardavoxAcademy
My fave Lorna shore song of all time
The 3rd breakdown reminded me of "Cesspool of Ignorance" by Signs of the Swarm
This is song is the most underrated song on the whole album, it’s such a banger and just angry and I love it
Austin Archey is probably the best drummer in deathcore, and has been for several years. Super underrated.
they opened w this song when i saw them and it absolutely kicked ass
I love the first breakdown where he says "free fall" and his vocals go from high to low. They free fall. So damn good
And the last breakdown "watch the world slow down" and everything drops
i think this song is the "lorna shore formular" in perfection. each and every aspects fit's for me - breakdown, rythm, chorus, melodics and harmonies, drums and solo and will's performance.
not gonna say other songs are bad, but this one is stellar when it comes to "classic" Lorna Shore stuff. There are other songs on the album i really like too, those just dip into different waters - are more experimental (what i apprecciate by all means). so if i would've to recommend a song to someone who wants to know Lorna Shore it would be this one 100%
Always love Lorna. Imma keep asking for a react to that new Dark Watch triple music video tho, it’s 5 1/2 mins of filth
Will Ramos is truly incredible but i agree. I can only listen to so much Lorna Shore in a row.
A favorite example of mine for touching the tongue to the soft palette for that sound is in Ash and Rust Pt. 2: The Dark Carnival by Slice the Cale (holy shit word spaghetti).
Austin Archey is my favorite drummer in metal. He’s insane.
My 2nd favorite from the album!
His vocals are some of the best I've heard live along with trent Hafdahl of after the burial
Austin Archey(Drummer) is a certified Octopus!!
Honestly, I’d normally agree that three breakdowns like that in a song is a bit much. However, I think the last one is made impactful by the guitar solo divebomb transition. I think since you paused right before it hit that took away most of the oomph
Seen them live last year, this was amazing will opening with "lets see some shit" then screaming. To everyone who saw them in Nashville in 2022 youll know
Beyond Deviation Oni! Shocked his signature Whistle scream has not been covered here. Nothing out there like it.
YESS SOME LORNA
honestly this is one the greatest openers for any album. the intro and outdo is so atmospheric, dark, gothic and simply sinister as fuck. it is just pure evil in the best way aside from Wills demonic vocals and harmonious symphonies in the background.
Drummer is Austin Archey, and he played like 2/3rds of their pain remains tour with a slipped disk in his back IIRC, machine is an understatement
So far as the song being so over the top, it's the first one in the album so it's probably meant to be a statement.
They've said in interviews they just wanted this one be a straight "ass-beater".
Exactly what they stated
I’m coming to the conclusion that deathcore is the hyperpop of the metal world. Insane sounds, inhuman voices, incredibly fast kick drums, just maximum intensity at all times.
Lorna Shore and Signs of the Swarm are the currently best over all deathcore bands in my opinion. As well as vocally, melodically and technical.
they definitely leaned into the Black when they made this one, a lot of the time it's a mix or even leaning more towards Death, but this was not the case at all, very Black and Dark, love it.
Would love to see a analyses of Disembodied Tyrant/Synestia. Both ´The poetic Edda` and ´I, The devourer´ are absolute bangers.
I'll try and check them out!
Cheers! @@KardavoxAcademy
iirc in an interview with Will he mentions that they wrote this song with the intention of it being fkn extreme and bombastic as it is the first song on the Pain Remains record and they wanted people to know what they were getting into. I feel like that answers why theres so many breakdowns in this one alone and although i absolutely love filthy ass breakdowns, having too many can be a detriment to a song. still sounds good just wont be as impactful as you say.
Welcome back o'sleeping bleeeghhhh dreamer 🤘
LETS GOOOO
Sliding the tongue up and down ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
hell yeah some Lorna Shore we love to see this
The ov sword and nail by worm shepherd. Unreal song
Because of wills magnitude i slept on the drummer for a long time. Everyone in this band is a monster
Thats a nice ass hoodie
As someone who recently suffered a herniated disk as well, I fully understand why you've not been uploading, it's so debilitating
i came here to say that i could not do the tongue thing, and i was so envious of others that could, i spent 3 years practicing for 20mins 2x a day and i can finally say that after years of consistent effort and determination that i am still unable to do it.
Totally just paused it in the middle of his Legendary BLEGH at the beginning and skipped past it, he could have talked about that for 5 mins lol. Probably my favorite part haha
It hurt me physically 😂
Nearly slipped into the priest and Choir boy jokes, nice recovery 😉
Haha, thanks!
Hahaha, “wasn’t very good at choir… i was just trying to- Nevermind that’s inappropriate” And now it’s practically your profession.. Lol classic
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Austin Archey.
Will is the G.O.A.T
So, basically what I've learned from this video is..... will Ramos is basically a metal vocal gangster
have you considered adding chapters to your videos?
28:38 He let it out! I knew he felt this way lol. I get it though.
Now that I have your attention kind sir. Do Darko-Shanghai and I’ll love you long time.
The more I've dug into Lorna Shore the more I've found that they are pecan pie for me. I'd be happy to have some, grateful if someone gave me a slice, and I'm able to enjoy when its well made and see the skill it takes. I even enjoy the flavor. But if its up to me, I'm always ordering Banana Cream........which is black tongue
You should definitely check out the new Landmvrks single “The Creature”
28:10, Just wait til you here the outro of Purge by Brand of Sacrifice
Loved the video!
Please please, check the band "Luck won't save you" They are NUTS! "Doom chimes are ringing" Would be a good pick. Also "So meaningless" or any song, they are all good!
-will keep asking until its done
Most of their videos don't even have a 100 views?
@@AssortedBits so what? 🤔
This song give me some early Dimmu Borgir vibe... would love if Lorna and Dimmu did a collab... that would be a blast.
9:48 Now I need to know what happened in high school choir, Mark
This one time at band camp...
29:18 yep
I agree with you- three breakdowns in one song is just too much. But hey, they’re killing it, so who cares.
Top notch video!! Loved it!
Austin Archy is a beast he has playthrough with meinal cymbals it’s worth a watch reaction or not
Cool, I'll check it out!
King // immortal disfigurement please?
Who gives a damn, but I’m glad you and the family got through all the sickness! Much love
Thanks!
Doesn't the final choir say (amongst other things i didn't get) the title? ".... .... welcome back o sleeping dreamer,"
Do sorroweater molvado please.
And who does the orchestration? no love? It's really big part of their composition. I don't even remember his name but he is rhythm guitarist. how does this affect my life, particular sonk. *I put this on every morning when walking to bus stop and there is "WAKE UP!" dude i'm trying 🙂
Do Darko's new track, Shanghai!
Do a reaction to Goonlord. Their vocalist is a beast
Austin Archey is drum god
Seems that way!
I'm pretty sure the choir part is old greek
Sick hoodie
I'm with you on the excessive amounts of breakdowns.
A positive is on this album about half the songs don't have any. I guess they crammed them into this song instead.
Based on Andrew's response on the Lorna Shore reddit, the choir is singing in Latin. I can't understand every word, so its not clear if relates to the song's meaning or not.
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