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The Slave Pits is a reworking of actual history, The Barbary Pirates that raided Mediterranean Sea ports and shipping eventually dragging over a million European men into slavery and castrating them cruelly resulting death by shock, infection for over two thirds. That ended for the U.S. when President Thomas Jefferson sent marines to deal with the matter. They captured Tripoli, forced the Sultan there into negotiations that excluded American shipping from the approved target list.
The women were raped and sold sex slaves for harems, etc. The slaving went as far as Ireland and Iceland.
The US marines were formed to combat this. The putrid English theone had a deal with the Barbary Pirates not to attack limey ships. The limeys sat on watching it take place to everyone else. Remember the English crown did this world.
Destroying the Barbary Coast should be the purpose of an OSR RPG. "Against the Slaver Empires of the Barbary Coast".
@@OffGridGamer2077 That’s an idea, D&D in 19 century Earth, Edwardian dress, fisticuffs, yes mixing styles but give WOTCo something to moan about as Hasbeen circles the drain. Everyone works to crash the world, destroy it now so they can rebuild it as a 10 century feudal kingdom. Where’s a Liberty Tree to water?
Rob calls it: WOTC had NO HAND in the creation of D&D. They can keep their retro-moralising.
We switched to Castles & Crusades and haven't looked back.
What little talent there was at Wizbros was fired. They kept the interns.
The Secrets of Blackmoor was an amazing documentary. wow. war gamers and detailed and creative individuals. respect. Dave and Crew are awesome.
The problem with modern day gaming is it has become more popular than ever before. D&D is the biggest name in the game and has become the "cool thing" to be a part of. Just like all popular "things" there are always the few people (squeaky wheels) that want to bring it down. They whine and cry until they get noticed and change things to make them no longer popular or cool. Video games, comics, Star Wars, Marvel/DC movies. All of these are seeing the same trend. Then once the squeaky wheels have done their job ruining something, they move on to the next "cool thing".
This whole cancel culture of trying to implement trigger points of slavery or that Tolkien Orcs were black people, has be scratching my head, like what are these people smoking. I'm a black male that has been gaming since 1982, starting with Star Frontiers then Red Box D&D. Not once have I seen issues with any of the original TSR books. Everything that was written wasn't to glamorize evil. It was to show these things were evil and to put the players in the role of heroes to defeat this evil. Even if a player character was evil, that was supposed to give a character a moral choice to change or do better (Darth Vader/Anakin moment).
I’ve met Gary, Ernie and Luke Gygax. They are a bunch of great guys that enjoy getting people together, having fun and enjoying life. While also meeting new people and making new friends. I was lucky enough to have been a player in a game of Dangerous Journeys ran by Gary at Rock Con. He was a great storyteller and willing to take time to answer questions and talk with anyone. He was a fan of history and a lot of his adventures would use those tragic moments to build a fantasy story around. It was because of his stories and adventures he wrote, that made me as a kid more attentive in history class. Cause I envisioned them through the lens of a fantasy or action storyteller, all thanks to enjoying adventures written by Gary Gygax and the TSR crew.
This foolishness is not going to stop. DnD, Pathfinder and all the big games will keep heading in a direction of a new nerd era, with nerds that are more into anime, furriers and so on. Where sexuality and gender is a main point. In time even Critical role fans will roll their eyes. The good thing I see coming from this is that classical fantasy nerds and those who understand it's fantasy, not a reflection of the real world, and therefore in no way problematic, finds a new fantasy game and become the nerds whose game and players no one cares about. Like it was in the old days, before CR, Movies and series. And I will be perfectly fine with that. Leave me alone activists.
Agreed. It was better when it was less mainstream. As hipsterish as that sounds...
@@captainpazuzu Yeah! I miss the days of being a "demon worshipping murderer" and whatever else they said!
Hey, don't knock furriers! Coats are GREAT when you live in cold areas!
W.W.R.D.? What Would Robilar Do?
The gaming club my wife and I belonged in college during the late 70's was at Norwich, the military college in Vermont.
We had members of both sexes and several ethnicities. I rolled my 1st PC in October 1975. Hers was in February 1978.
That has been the mix we've played with since.
I don't have any dirt, just an observation. WotC has reduced D&D to a skinsuit. Look at the art for the new PHB - all of the races have been reduced to cosplaying humans from an advertising diversity checklist. Elves are humans with pointed ears, dwarves are short humans, orcs... well, Viva Los Orcs! Seeing all that identity pandering art (how many strong diverse casters standing with their arms spread? How many side-shaves?) proves they forgot their core audience. I'm not buying it.
would you prefer chainmaile bikinis? What do you lose by having somebody with a woke haircut on the cover? Instead, ask yourself what you gain by having a few thousand more players come to the game? You still get to play your game the way you want, but now more people are buying the product keeping the IP and brand alive.
I completely understand where your mind is at. It seems like a parody
@@reneesteeves3698 LordOz3 points still stand.
@@dicedoom7162how so? 5th ed is the largest selling edition to date… clearly they gained more than they lost
@@reneesteeves3698 Sometimes having less players who are dedicated and want to improve the product is better for "the community" than an endless supply of tourists who want things their way and demand for change.
I will never understand how people who hates a source material could work for a company which makes money with that source material. Nor I understand how a company can keep an IP which roots and history finds "offensive" or "evil". Is like your company is doom to failure. WOTC has no future, mark my words.
That is our hope while promoting other modules
The "A" series are my favorite classic adventures.
@@jamest.harnden3659 they are fantastic! I have such great memories running them
I quit D&D after 3e, but still willing to play 1e & 2e! My group's go-to rules set is Lamentations of the Flame Princess for gritty, grindhouse styled sword and sorcery rpgs, and pseudo historic settings, but we also play Call of Cthulhu (pretty friggin epic!) and Apocalypse Rat (available as a beta 2.0 project).. I'm currently trying to get my group into Mörk Borg and Pirate Borg, too.
With all the bs, unnecessary changes, the cloak and dagger crap with the OGL, and their personal political ideologies being interwoven directly into content, I've completely disowned WOTC'S version of D&D.
Telling you now, Mork Borg is totally worth it! Played a session with my group last Friday, ended up with TPK and is was a great laugh to play. Never got that with 5E D&D.
How about hackmaster. It has some interesting rule sets.
WotC makes me sick.
They lack the talent and creativity to get any where near the level of skill of those modules!
Muffin Dwarfs......
After watching this, I feel even better that I stopped buying all WoTC material after 3.5. That was my last system. I will admit I bought 4th edition and then after reading it, gave my books to Goodwill. My MTG set's were gone years ago, and I am glad. I am also one of the people they would like in their purchasing group. I have plenty of disposable income. I am now retired and still play DnD. But this constant high and mighty moral superiority war drives me nuts. I played DnD with men, women, some black guys, some mexican guys, a gay guy and currently with a gay woman. Not once has ANY of this supposed racial or fat or age insensitivity EVER came up from as far back as 1979 when I started playing.
It's the same for all of my games. A variety of people and never had a problem. It feels gross that WOTC is forcing it when most of us didn't have a problem to begin with
I SO I hear this! Got off the Edition bandwagon at 3.5/PF1 and never looked back. 4E was a MMO without a computer with its RP soul ripped out of it. Bought some 5E stuff, suppressed the urge to throw up after trying it ONCE, and gave it right back to the game store to use as a tournament prize or whatever.
WotC wasn't always like this, they used be good stewards who respected the game's early creators. Even reaching out to them to mend fences. That's all gone now, along with their writers and designers they brought in when they bought TSR. Now we get social activists and sensitivity readers running the show. We get artwork with DEI quotas. We get a smarmy Jason Tondro and Todd Kenreck slandering the likes of Gary and Dave in smug self-satisfaction.
What's happened to modern D&D is sickening.
@@dungeoncrawler9272 this is an excellent point. I saw Todd at Gary Con. I don't know how they can go to a con celebrating the man
Well, they did get bought out and owned by Hasbro Look at where Hasbor's business has gone
@@DeFrisselle That was the turning point alright.
Nice video I appreciate the excellent resolution on the graphics and that you left them up long enough to read.
The issue isn’t that D&D didn’t call out things like Slavery as evil, the problem is that 40 years ago the language of the book was not sufficiently Marxist in its rhetoric.
What is going to have to happen is the rest of us are going to have to be the mature adults and thank and acknowledge the folks before us instead of tearing them down simply because some turd in marketing thinks dancing on people’s graves will sell their products.
@@lauramumma2360 the huge explosion of 5e was driven by critical role and even more so by stranger things. The fading sales numbers over the last few years is in tandem with CR's slipping numbers and more time between seasons of Stranger Things. Whenever a new season did launch wotc saw a nice bump. With only one season left, I wager the fan base will begin to dwindle back to a more hard core base. Only wotc has alienated those who sustained the game through the first 40 years of its existence. They will need them to return someday...
@@thepickleddragon8590 Thank the Gods! Hopefully my hobby can get back to what it was, with all the "-isms" for the party to fight against! I am tired of seeing(and not just in the TTRPG world) people bitching and whining about villains being disgusting people, THAT'S THE FREAKING POINT OF VILLAINS!!!
I returned to the hobby after many years absence took one look at D&D 5e balked at what they were offering and how bloated and soft it had become.
Then I discovered the wonderful world of OSR and the whole plethora of other RPGs out there. Delta Green being a current favourite, I was a CoC player previously.
Oh and think I’m in love with Dracoya (spelling?) intelligent, attractive and into RPGs, my word!
Same here. #OSRmy #Gen. R. Kuntz
😂😂 You flatter. We are doing videos on older modules. You should check them out and let us know if you have any you'd like us to talk about.
Where did Rob post this response to WotC? I'd like to share it and spread the message. I couldn't agree more with what he said, some folks seem to enjoy setting in judgement of D&D pioneers without giving any thought to the challenges they faced or respecting what they achieved.
@@edwardnorth4124 its being shared across Twitter X or whatever
@@edwardnorth4124 You're also welcome to share our video! It would be great if we got Robs attention.
Slavery was just treated as another transaction... Like what the heck games were these people playing, literally every official product with slavery in it, slavers were basically treated as if they were the bad guys from WW2. People who you could easily morally punch and stab without feeling bad... That was the whole point.. Lets give the players someone who was morally terrible to be the villains in this fantasy setting.
Exactly!! That was the whole point. To give the players a proper bad guy and be the hero
Now we're so worried about hurting even the bad guys feelings. 😂
Pretty accurate description.
Moldvay Basic/Expert is the best edition.
Upper case Black, lower case white.
@ 45 seconds: that's why I'm learning to make my own meads and wines. I may try for beer one day.
@@RvnKnight good plan
When you perfect it, we will be happy to help you sample it. 😂
@@dracoyaminiatures5143 Would love to let you help taste it, but I can't take it across State lines....not legally anyway. Speaking of, I need to check the status of my batch.
@@RvnKnightWill travel for beer. 😂😂
Building an empire on problematic foundations and then complaining about the issues is contradictory. Wizards of the Coast (WotC) has inherited and perpetuated content from TSR, despite deeming much of it problematic. This situation is akin to building an empire on a pile of poop and then complaining about the smell. WotC imposes standards on the community to avoid tracking the same issues while continuing to profit from this legacy. It's too hypocritical, sending mixed messages to future generations and failing to address the own core problems effectively.
I wonder if they'll ever be able to point to anything specific, or if it'll always be vague and dismissive like when they criticize classic authors such as Burroughs and Lovecraft.
It was one of the reasons why I chucked the 5E Ravenloft sourcebook down the toilet. The little digs towards Lovecraft and his mythos was glaringly obvious.
Of course, it won't be anything specific because it's based on bullshit. Best they've got is the use of the "Slavery" and chain mail bikini pics. 😂
We need to back up Rob as the adults in the room and call out this crap. And close our wallets while we're at it.
Agreed. Building a platform on the graves of people who can't defend themselves, just so WoTC can make itself into the BS white knight persona is absolutely unacceptable
No matter how much you like dnd you must protest this attack by withholding your hard earned cash. It's all they understand. They have no respect for your opinions or the truth.
They are liars and they literally hate the people who enabled their careers.
Thats why i went back to Ad&d and never looked back
WOTC has made themselves irrelevant to a great number of gamers.
Their mismanagement of a great IP has damaged the brand irrevocably.
My lgs has canceled all dnd publications going forward due to their new woke agenda
We're doing other videos on different editions and modules for dnd, before WOTC time. You should check it out
@@dracoyaminiatures5143 will do
A war it is then, coastal wizards...
If they wanted to draw a line between now and then, they should have done it in a respectful way. This is an over-correction that went to far... Very sad to see this...
I couldn't agree more. It's rather devastating
Could the Drama be manufactured to sell?
WotC might own the name
But DMs make the game and set the standards
Glad I sold off my post AD&D collection (minus books that focused on dragon lore).
I'm done with WotC. Full stop.
No one is perfect. Though... Gary Gygax didn't hold investor meetings about how there is still untapped (that brings sexual images to mind) potential in milking more money from D&D players.
So I am more willing to believe Gary Gygax was a good person, if not suffering from biases that come from the time period and location he grew up. 🤫
Its also very hard to articulate that you love everyone, regardless of any buzz words, while also condemning this kind of behavior out of WotC. It's divisive, rude and disgusting. Speak out against behavior like this and nail these people with hate in their hearts to the walls.
Thank you for saying that!! I have SUCH a hard time with this topic because I'm so worried that as a white woman, I'll be misinterpreted, and it sucks!
Just be nice to people, shut up, and eat your cheetos. 😂
OGs: "Slavery is bad and the slavers are your enemies."
WotC: "We disavow the original creators."
Not a good look, WotC.
I started with DND 2nd edition. I didn't even know about b/x or original DND or before! I only know of Blackmoor this year! I played 3rd edition and 5th edition. But I got sick of being the DM and holding so much. Then the 'rules' of advocacy entered the game. I understand people want to feel safe, but I also think Thought police is very evident. I am now playing B/X rules. it's more creative.
I respect the game but can't stand the current "custodians" if they can be called that.
Wait you guys still *buy* WOTC products?
Heck no
Especially not now. 😂
@@dracoyaminiatures5143 It's a pirate's life for me, not they've added anything to 5e since Tasha's worth buying.Yar matey's
I have purchased, played and game-mastered every version of D&D since 1st Edition Advanced D&D in 1981. i stopped buying WOTC products about 5 years ago when it became apparent the direction WOTC was taking D&D. I haven't regretted my decision at all. I will no longer buy or play WOTC products.
It's amazing just how self-righteous and self-serving WoTC is at this point and what's so funny is most people don't want it. Just like a lot of this, they've taken an already established IP, watered it down, put a shiny bow on it, and say "see we made it better." I started playing back in '78/79 and "slavery is a good thing" never occurred to me.
Exactly. I don't think anyone did. They're creating a false platform
Look- today WotC is making (as has made for some time now) products far inferior to older editions. Of course for a number of reasons the reduced quality has not led to reduced popularity, but as interest in OSR and classic TTRPGs continue to rise, I imagine that WotC casting aspersions on these old editions is something of a premeditated defensive manoeuvre…. They are telling all their little bunnies “whatever you do don’t think about playing those old games, they are awful and bad and if you play them you will be a very bad little bunny”. Hasbro has one purpose and one purpose only and that is to increase shareholder value. If they thought the best way to do that was to mass reproduce 1e or B/X you bet your life they would do it. But those games take mental effort to play and 5e is serendipitously accessible to those who just want to roll dice and control an avatar representing some personal ideal (as opposed to doing the hard lifting of actual world-building.). There. Grumpy old man rant over.
I mean, they are awful games. They were definitely pushing the envelope by standards of that time, but those old modules had some of the worst structure and design.
So much to unpack with this topic. The guy who wrote the preface, I've seen him in interviews, and he's disgusting. All the things he hates he is. It's not surprising that wotc used him to celebrate the 50th anniversary. The dad things is, if I were that 10 year old boy finding DND today, I wouldn't come near it. I'm afraid that's what's happening.
I don't keep up very well with the personalities at wotc anymore. That said, with so many people fired over at WotC there can't be many left! I should pay more attention to those folks but can't seem to find the motivation. I fear that it will only serve to piss me off...
Wizards can suck it ...I have owned my d& d books since the 80 s and don't need new ones to play the game .....
Damn straight. We've done some other videos on old modules.
This is fine with me! I "declared war" on WotC & Hasbro last year when they tried to STEAL money and content with the license they were trying to get out. I did so by giving them NONE(WotC) or VERY, VERY, VERY little(Hasbro, they just own TOO DAMN MUCH) of my money!
When I see stuff like this, I am literally repulsed. As someone who experienced legacy material in its contextual time period, I never saw the content as racist in any sense. Not even low-key racist. WoTC injected identitarianism into the content. I won't have anything to do with it.
we're disgusted too
Id boycotte them but I havnt been buying their junk since 4th edition.
Sounds like you already HAVE boycotted them!
I'll repeat, as I have elsewhere many times before, ad nauseam: The view of the past through the lens of the present will dwell in the trash heap of future...
Where presentism fittingly belongs!
How about everyone just play the game they want to and do not worry what is happening at other people's table. 1E or 5E, how about Your E. I myself am finding new love for the Basic/OSE/BECMI style, but I played Basic and 1E back in the 80's.
it is easier to corrupt than it is to create. at present it's easier for wotc to retcon D&D and its lore into the ground to gain the potential favor of a few "key investors" than it is to make profits for all investors the old fashion way: through talent, creativity, innovation, and customer goodwill. they feel the best way to do this is to denigrate those who either created it or had a hand in going so. in that way, they suppose, it is easier to have the more foolish of their customers accept their actions as honorable, making their corruptions seem to be salvaging the IP from its "evil roots". customers who don't like those changes must then be condemned as something vile: racist or sexist or any other unpopular "ist". it doesn't matter if this works or not so long as the key investors fatten executive pockets. historically, this sort of "reimagining" has yet to be successful by executives attempting it. it didn't go well for disney or bud lite or any of the others. it all depends on whether D&D fans and players are foolish enough to buy into it - because once they do, everything will be fine and wotc's executives can move on to the next phase, then the next...
@@CruentusV when the last season of stranger things wraps and critical role has completely moved on we will see who is left playing the game. These two shows are what is truly responsible for launching the 5e, its cool to be a nerd, craze. After they are gone I believe they will regret alienating so many people.
@@thepickleddragon8590 well said. what a wasted opportunity...
Cha'alt!
This is why people need to quit supporting WotC, their D&D product is unnecessary today with all the retro clones floating around. Also there are a lot of old school styled games which are not clones that are very good games, all of these are as good if not better than the WotC products. I say find a couple of alternative games and let D&D burn.
We're doing other videos on different editions and modules for dnd, before WOTC time. You should check it out. If you have different games that you like, then let us know!
@@dracoyaminiatures5143 Here are a few alternatives to WotC D&D that I feel are worth checking out. I believe they can all be purchased through Drivethrurpg as PDF or POD, if you have a hard time finding the physical copies.
First let me mention all the games which uses the Ken St. Andre system.
Tunnels & Trolls
Monsters! Monsters!
Mercenaries, Spies, & Private Eyes
The Lair of the Leopard Empresses
Ken St. Andre created the second ever RPG and the first RPG using a D6 system when he created Tunnels & Trolls in 1975.
Other game systems including D&D Retro Clones
Basic Fantasy
Labyrinth Lord
Old School Essentials
Swords & Wizardry
White Box (Fantastical Medieval Fantasy Game)
Barbarians of Lemuria
Pendragon
Hyperborea
Spirit of ‘77 (a pulp style rpg set in an alternate version of the 1970’s)
Ape Victorious (planet of the apes inspired) is compatible with Labyrinth Lord and other D&D retro clones
Nightowl Workshop games
Raiders of the Lost Artifacts (Indiana Jones Inspired)
Colonial Troopers ( Starship Troopers Inspired)
Freebooters (Pirates)
Warriors of the Red Planet (John Carter of Mars inspired)
What I like about the Nightowl Workshop games, they are easily compatible to old school D&D and/or most D&D retro clones.
Of course any of the TSR era of D&D. Although now owned by WotC the purchase and play of the older editions can be a way of sending a shot across the WotC bow by not supporting their created and supported products.
What is the book titled that you are talking about? I dont see or hear the title mentioned specifically.
Where ever there is wokeness there is drama.
Wotc's current executive producer and leadership have made it clear they have nothing but contempt for not only their fans, but also the creators of this great hobby we all love. I'll be sticking with older books and 3rd party, voting with my dollar, until they're gone. "People like them can't leave the hobby fast enough."
We feel the same way and that's why we made other videos promoting other editions. If you find one you like, you'll have to let us know!
@@dracoyaminiatures5143 Definitely! Some great options now seem like Shadowdark, ICRPG (Index Card RPG) and similar! I personally run a heavily modified 5E with inspiration from the above and older D&D editions.
Wisconsin is a city? Mighty big city! ;) lol
Milwaukee, Chicago, and the Twin Cities are very diverse, even in the 70's-80's. WotC was only able to buy TSR because the company got driven into the ground by bad management. The only really successful game they've had is Magic and they couldn't develop their own TTRPG (and still can't).
😂😂 Fair point. lol. Clearly misspoke.
@dracoyaminiatures5143 I know lol
Does their money come from this or not? I think that the grognards have grog-ed themselves out of being the audience. Don't know that the brave new kids are going to be any more profitable, but which way does the money flow? They wouldn't still be at the top of the hobby if it wasn't going their way at least a bit.
It all went downhill after version 3 Though I did like the freedom of 3.5
Well done!! New sub. Will never ever give WoTc my money. They are a rotten dark company. Thundar and THACO forever!!!
The crap they've written are poor imitations of past masterpieces. They're never gonna be able to produce something on the magnitude of Age of Worms, Savage Tide, Maure Castle, and everything else from the golden age of Dungeon. The biggest seller, the Strahd module, is yet another poor copy of an old masterpiece. All the creative writing talent has moved on, left with socially parasitic copycats banking on modern catchphrases rather than any meaningful stories.
F wotc
All this coming from the company who’s main method “creativity” is to just slap a spell list on a basic class chassis and tell players to reflavor it themselves or just half ass a sorcerer subclass and call it a day.
well said!
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DEI woke parade on display. Aww their feels 😢. I have played since 79 & quit the treadmill after 3rd Ed. It’s a game folks. It’s supposed to be fun & fantasy. It’s not a pride parade.
completely unsurprised
It's just wokeism. It's tiresome, but it's not Declaring War. Jeez.
I just don't buy anything from WotC anymore. They make bland, woke crap that I have no interest in.
My books all have TSR on the cover... we are still playing with adnd as the core of our games.
Woke of the coast proved back when they dropped 3rd. They don't understand DnD, it was just an acquisition to be exploited.
WOTC lost this war 2 years ago.
outrage sells. facts are boring init
Gary may not have been as bad as WoTC are making him out to be, but you can’t deny his sexism.
He didn't come across that way to me. Probably more a guy who has kinks. 🤷🏼♀️
Also should keep in mind that he created this in a VERY different time in the world.
@@reneesteeves3698 i have seen a lot of people say he was but I think the topic deserves more discussion. I've seen the biological determinist quote that so many make a big deal of. He may have come to that conclusion because, in his day, so few women played rpgs and war games. We are planning a video in a couple weeks where we discuss women in gaming in the early days.
@@thepickleddragon8590 Thanks for replying. That was indeed the quote I was referring to. I'm 50 and despite having collected books back in the early 80's i never really felt comfy enough to join a table until 3.5, and even then had to endure some pretty gross players and even worse DM's. It wasn't until 5th that I finally felt at home. While I agree that WoTC is a huge corp that needs to be heavily scrutinized, despite their greed, I feel like they are actually "trying" to be more inclusive for the right reasons. I want more people at the table. I want women, queers, people of color, the disabled, the neurospicy. ALL of them. Just like a good sports teams, we don't all excel at playing the same position. Some folks are pitchers, some play short-stop, some are better behind the bench working out the stats. A great team is made up of people with different skill sets. As hobbyists, we have everything to gain my welcoming people from different backgrounds to our tables. We need to make those players feel welcome and safe enough to join us.
I'm curious to see some examples of his sexism. Do you have direct proof of it or is it second or third hand hear-say without direct, in-context quotes and such?
If you do not have direct examples from Gygax's life, friends and family, then all you are doing is insulting and, quite frankly, maliciously slandering/libeling a dead man that helped create a game over 50 years ago because someone else you listen to said he was a bad man.
@@RvnKnight We are going to do a video on this topic. There are a lot of quotes going around attributed to them. Many I have been able to confirm are misquoted. We will explore and discuss the rest