1851 Pietta 44 cal brass frame revolver - plastic grips
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Unboxing, checking out and shooting Pietta 1851 brass frame engraved 44 cal percussion gun for my brother. This one has the brown non-walnut style grips. Also made a mod to the front sight, because these 44's will shoot even higher than the 36 cal guns.
I always look forward to you videos, Thank you for your time
I do as well! beautiful Pietta, too. I purchased the "deluxe engraved" 1851 in .36 last year, its a looker for sure.
Glad to see my favorite channel posting again!
Thanks. Appears that I survived this winter, however this was done last year and I finally managed to make the video. Hope it helps someone and is interesting. The gun sure shot well. No flyers, and the grips are not colt stuff, but really quite nice. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I was a little worried about you brother, winter is rough on everyone. My ancestors are from the appalachian mountains of NC , where I still live. Our winters are probably nothing compared to you guys
@@discipleochrist4202 We had the most nasty winter I've seen. I've always admired that area, or at least what I've heard about it and the folks living there. I'm probably close to that style of life. Can shoot in the back yard, and have to have our own tom cat if we want kittens. Have a good summer, and thanks. O.R.
Wow what a beauty! Seems like Pietta has been upping their game
I for sure can't make fun of the groups you guys are getting.. excellent by any standards,
Maybe there should be a contest to see what can produce the best groups at the lowest cost. Might have to rule out air and 22 weapons. O.R.
Old Ranger, that was impressive work you did on the front sight! Here about 3 months ago I picked up a Pietta 44 cal from Midway USA. Looks a lot like the one in this video, other than its a CSA version. Same grips. Excellent video as always Sir! Thumbs up~John
Good to see you are out of hibernation OR ! I think the higher front sight is a much better option for these high shooting guns, you can gradually file down until it shoots to point of aim, and it is always easy to go back if you want, you got some really good groups there. Stay warm! Chris B.
That's a nice gun mate 👍 great video
Great fun and info!
Good Work Mr O R .. Welcome back.
I prefer to take the dremel to the hammer notch myself I do find it easier then a new front sight.
Either way brings you to the same destination :-)
but? Irreversible? I would but not for 12" high at such a distance.
I'd really like to see how you did the front sight. It's obviously not a dovetail. Did you weld half a penny on there?
I have a brass 181 in .44, I have had it for many years - I have about 700 shots through it since I purchased it, at first I shot about 30 grains, but after a bit I filed a spout down to 22 grains, since for target shooting and plinking there really was no reason to push it hard and waste powder - after all this shooting there is no frame stretch at all, the cylindet/barrel gap is tight andthe same as when I purchased it. Sometimes I wonder if the frame stretching problem was limited to the earlier years of production, or if I just got lucky? In any event, I find the brass Piettas to be well worth the money, and enjoyable to own. I paid $135 for mine and it included the starter kit with the flask etc.
If I was purchasing one for homesteading and hunting I would still lean towards the steal frame - but I have enough other guns, including a steel framed Remington, so the brass 1851 has suited me just fine, and has been every bit as fun to own as the steel framed model.
I wonder if the frame stretching mythology was at least in part due to the arbor pulling out over time, I know that this was an early problem with the brass framed guns.
Very interesting to hear. I feel overloading the guns both brass and steel can cause excessive wear. Original ones were used mostly for self defense or combat, and therefore max loads had purpose. I don’t think many hunted or used them for target-plinking. Today they serve mostly a different use. I have however seen even steel frames “loosen up” in areas like the barrel wedge from max loads. I suspect the brass frames may have gotten a bad rep from certain manufacturers, possibly (only possibly) one might have been some made by Army San Polo. Only saying because I purchased one used that had the arbor cemented in with liquid steel. A Viewer commented that he also had one by the same manufacturer with similar problems. I feel your correct about the Pietta’s. With reasonable loading, I think the 36 calibers will go a lifetime, and the 44’s will at least outlive me. O.R.
Man who you been? Enjoy your channel 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸💪
Beautiful gun
I'd like to see more on load development for a brass frame .44. I have a .51 and a .60. Great video. Thanks!!
I just boughtthe same gun. I know Colt only made Navy in .36 cal, but i wanted this. I'll be shooting mine in 2 weeks. I cannot wait
I believe that if better metal had been available, they would have. Its going to shoot high because of the way the sights are set up. The 36 usually does, and with the 44 being lighter and more recoil, maybe a foot at 25 yds. You’re going to like shooting it in any case - safety first. O.R.
A great video as always Thank you for sharing.
she LOOKS GREAT! Sounds Great Too! and Handy too! .40 sounds like a Great compromise from the small under Cals and the 44's!
I know you can get her Running Perfectly!
Thanks Dave. Actually my brother made an error when he said 40 caliber, it’s a 44. I was wondering if someone would pick up on that, and you get the honors of not missing a beat. Thanks for pointing this out. Have a great summer. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 So "Funny!" I thought I was Crazy? and I missed an Historic Model of a System I Love! I watched three times?
I was wondering where I could get a forty caliber myself
good groups
I installed a 58 front sight on one of mine. Took less than 30 minutes. Or just get a 1/8 brass rod , drill and solder in place
Good 👍 ideas. Anyone planning to shoot these 44’s and trying to hit something with regularity, I feel needs some sort of front sight mod. O.R.
Nice revolver! Please demonstrate how you install the taller front sight.
Thanks for the inspiration Tom. Thinking back, I should have made a video about that. Couple others have made similar comments and I’m planning to do a video about changing front sights. Thanks again for the comment. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I really appreciate your channel. I share the same passion for percussion revolvers. I have quite a few and do most of my own gunsmithing. For the Colts, I have always modified the hammer to adjust the point of impact. I am very interested in a good method of raising the front sight. Thank you!
@@tomvawter4531 Coming to a theater near you. Not a pro gunsmith, so maybe others in my experience level will benefit from the attempts I make. Most of them do work in some fashion. Just need to pick a victim. I too have a decent selection and passion which I can’t rationally explain or figure out an excuse for. I only fear one thing 🫤, that someone will fill a barrel with them and put a sign that says “ your choice $.50 each “ at a d**n garage sale. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 Hahaha, yes that is my worst nightmare too! Lately I've invested in some .45 Colt conversion cylinders. For some 1858 Remingtons and a Colt Walker. I also have built a number of snubnose revolvers. But like your videos, I enjoy tinkering and shooting groups and trying to get everything dialed in just right. 👍
Cabela's sells a taller pin site for these guns.
I only have 3 BP revolvers in 32... 36 and 44. None of em of course have a brass frame.. Cause.. Colts did not. My 51 Navy is in .36... good enough for wild Bill? good enough for me. The 1860 Army was in 44 and has a different grip I am good with the 51 grip. if you look at that odd 51 navy in the vid you will see the cutout frame is really an 1860 frame but of course.... never in brass. My guns? the .32 I run 10 graIns of pyro.. the .36 I run 20 grains of pyro.. the 44 runs 30 grains of pyro... I like to keep it simple.. I also like to make my own felt wads.
Never seen a plastic/composite handled one before
The original colt 1851 Navy never came in 44 caliber. It only came in 36 caliber.
That sure is a pretty pieta
looks to me like its completely fine, especially with caps, your talking thousands of inches, vs a q-tip which is maybe an 1/8th of an inch. so i wouldnt worry, they obviously fired it and didnt find a problem. should be all good, i worried about mine after watching videos and wondering if it was "perfect"
Dude...dont dry fire a bp revolver...damage the nipples!
Nice looking revolver! Just a question. I often see these .44s with the rebated cylinder called 1851s, but I thought that's more like what an 1860 looked like. Am I mistaken about this, or how does one tell the difference?
Yes, you’re correct. The frame on this is the 1851 style that has metal removed at the bottom for the section of the cylinder that is enlarged. The enlargement is for the section of the cylinder that was made larger (probably for strength) for the 44 caliber projectile. Colt did this in creating the 1860. But, Colt changed the grip (longer and a slight angle change). They also changed to a round barrel, and more sleek shape. So, to spot a 1860, look for the round sleek barrel, and longer grip. A 1861 Navy 36 will look the same as far as barrel is concerned, but no cut out in the frame because the cylinder is like the 1851 36 caliber. The 61 will also have the 1851 smaller grip. What complicates things a little is it appears the Italian manufacturers bored out the hex barrel on their 1851 to 44 caliber, used the 1860 cylinder, and made the recess in the frame to accommodate the cylinder. This gun has the appearance at a glance of the 1851 because of the hex barrel and loading lever, but the rebated cylinder tells you it is a 44. The 1860 Army will have the sleek round barrel and longer grip that appears to angle more perpendicular to the frame. The 44 Italian guns get some slack because they aren’t real original, but it turns out that Colt also started with the 1851 when making the 60 Army. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 ok. Thanks for the clarification. That helps!
@@genebp 👍
was just noticing your comments around the 45 minute mark discussing the click and q-tip simulation of stuck cap locking up the action. So two questions, is that a flaw in the timing that has to be fixed? and if so, what is the fix? i'm assuming some very light stoning of the appropriate surfaces of the bolt where it contacts the hammer cam?
What the Q tip was doing was to simulate what could happen if the hammer needs to be brought down on an un-fired cap. This can cause the gun to "lock" if the arm that rides the cam hasn't dropped of the cam because the hammer can't go far enough ahead to allow this with the un-fired cap is out too far. Really this isn't considered a timing issue, which deals more with when the bold comes up against the cylinder. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 gotcha, thanks for reply!
Shoots a nice group@
Please don't dry fire that u are going to damage them nipples!
Eh it doesnt actuskly dng them.. the hammer is softer than the nipples.. the hammer indents and the nipples dont budge
Colt never made an 1851 with a brass frame OR in .44 cal.
If fact, Colt didn't make ANY model with a brass frame.
That's showing them how
Why do you dry fire it on the cones, without a cap?? Thats a NO, NO!!
Right, basically dry firing isn’t recommended. Real guns aren’t the toys that some of us used as kids. So, why? To check trigger pull weights, especially on camera, I occasionally will. In practice, I never do. On a percussion revolver this won’t do the hammer (or nipples) any good. I checked this Pietta, and the way it is set up, the hammer bottoms out on the frame and comes a few thousands from hitting the nipple. Thats critical, because too much and of course ignition will be random, or not at all. And, that was my younger brother’s gun, and him that did the no-no. I should re edit that and make a note about it. Problem with that is out here in the boon-docks, the internet takes about 2-3 hours to upload a 15 minute flick. Thanks for pointing this out, and hopefully others won’t do as he did (he’s always been rough with his toys. O.R.
How much is the hammer pull
The hammer pulls back fairly easily. I don’t have a gauge for that. If you are talking about the trigger, I remembered that it was light. Gun belongs to my brother, but he left it with me and I was able to find it and the pull is between 1.5 and 2 lbs. That’s really good for target work, but could need a couple more pounds in a situation where the shooter is pumped with adrenaline. Most of the newer Pietta’s I’ve had have fairly light pulls without much or any creep. Of course there are no doubt exceptions. O.R.
How did you build the front sight up? 👍✌
I had some copper of about the right thickness. Brass or steel would also work. Drill a hole so it will fit over the current post sight. Then rough shape it. I’m no expert in soldering but with the right flux I soldered it on top of the original. I realize this isn’t really much of a detailed answer but at least gives an idea of what went on. Thanks for your interest. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 Thanks!
Yes Sir, O R that's a nice piece, also not to shabby of a job on that front sight either. Both them are nice. Really ur part was best , it brought it to a useable piece. Just saying.
The prices of these has went crazy. I know inflation and supply , demand stuff but wow sould be called rocket 🚀 powder. As the prices going going gone.
Was wanting a pocket piece so bad. Anything from 22 to 32. Revolver preferably, deringer ok too. Can't find nothing used worth getting, new units out stock or to high. Like them little 22 bp revolver NAA. Or pietta 32. I'm keep on the hunt. You stay safe keep lead on target 🎯.
Any thing u post is interesting. Sometimes take me bit to watch. Between my kids well young adults and the grandbaby. Shoot I haven't shot in months. Then the big baby the rescue dog 6 years now won't let ya pop a few rounds here. Don't like um I guess. So I don't shoot here much at all . But that's about change. Fixing place up on hill behind house pop off few little 70,80 yard range. With capabilities pop 120 yards shots. Until next time, thanks for time, money , effort putting these useful videos up for our enjoyment and learning. Thank you .
From ur ole hillbilly buddy.
Brass frame....wall hanger
The6 dont stre5ch... never stretch3d to begin with.. They wont out the ring in the back.
They dont do that anymore.. watch my vids... I have tons of brass frames.. no issues😅
I guess you’re out of black MZ ?
Never! Just saving that good stuff and getting rid of the rest. Just kidding, but I do have a good supply of BLMZ because I am a sucker for a deal, and it was going for ten bucks/lb, you can imagine the rest. O.R.
What ? A 40 cal . ? , Thier is no 40 cal . black powder . You said that several times . Definitely not an expert on black powder . 🤔😒😏
Ya, that’s my brother examining and talking about one he ordered. Not that I couldn’t have made a similar slip. Of course you meant to say no black powder “revolvers”, at least none we’re aware of. Rifles and pistols that are front stuffers are available. Thanks for pointing this out, need to have some words with the editor about this, which will be easy because I talk to myself a lot anyway. O.R. 😫
Steve really ??there's always one of you out there no comment on how good he grouped or anything but to find only slip up wow come on man