STILL STUCK! 🚨 NASA Engineers Tell Media They STILL Can't Figure Out How To Fix Starliner!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- On Thursday, July 25, NASA Commercial Crew Program Manager Steve Stich and Boeing Vice President and Commercial Crew Program Manager Mark Nappi discuss how they are trying to find a fix to Starliner which has been in space for 60 days now and the astronauts are running out of time. BUT so far they haven't had much luck.
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unable to get airplanes right, Boeing says, "lets diversify & try our hand at space vehicles"
They also had issues with gps satalites.
NASA:"We have learnt alot"
Well, Boeing learnt alot from two 737 Max crashes but that is not a recommended way of leraning.
I'm not sure that the "we learned a lot"-part is something different than "it's best to not get caught".
Except they didn't learn anything from them, as proven by the subsequent investigations.
If anything they got worse.
NASA learned a lot from the Challenger disaster. They also learned a lot from the Columbia disaster.
I'm completely gobsmacked why this vehicle was allowed to fly. NASA knew about the thruster and helium issues yet allowed it to fly. Bill Nelson, Steve Stitch and their cronies should be held accountable. Boeing should be banned from any contracts they might hold and be investigated for bribing. There's no way SpaceX or other companies would be given this amount of leeway, but Boeing has. Go figure. Love from Oz
They haven't a clue he looks really uncomfortable they're in trouble
They can ask Elon maybe he would help in exchange for the company. lol
Totally agree
my thoughts exactly. those are 2 very stressed rocket scientists.
NASA: "This mission has been great". I thought only the Star Liner was spinning.
Boeing is still learning how to build a non-leaky, non-bulgy, non-explody thruster while simultaneously trying to figure out if a SpaceX or Roscosmos rescue will be less embarrassing.
Roscosmos would be a national disgrace. They would likely sacrifice the astronauts before that.
proudly learning.....
@@deth3021 That is what I worry about. That is exactly the kind of thing the old Soviets used to do. NASA and the US have fallen so far.
@DeanStephen before that they will use dragon.
Just speed up the safety check.
@@deth3021 I sure hope so.
The astronauts should have stuck to "if its a Boeing I ain't going" and they would all be safe.
EVERY Boeing executive needs to be investigated and prosecuted for fraud and malfeasance. If they didn't perpetrate the fraud, they certainly failed to report it.
Being incompetent at engineering and business isn’t the same thing as fraud, they should just be punished by losing the contract.
A gold parachute is their punishment on that level. We have seen it before!
@@bokhans yes that’s true, individually the sobs won’t suffer, in fact, that’s one of the reasons that they feel the freedom to do the things that they do
@@PRH123They're intentionally running Boeing into the ground to lower the stock price. Despite what people think there's lots of ways to make money doing things like that.
Boeing itself has a very odd history of buying companies. Then putting the very same people who ran those companies into the ground on the board of Boeing. You know for reasons and stuff. 😂
People are going to be shocked and surprised when these Boeing executives end up on the board of the company Boeing is bought by.
The whining and complaining of "Why would someone ever do something so stupid?" will be epic. 😂
@@edwardscott3262 yes, could be, an example would be the hijinks that went on with the creation of Spirit. Unfortunately though that kind of thing is not illegal in the us now, as it might have been 50+ years ago.
They sold the Boeing Wichita operation to a Canadian private equity firm, who created Spirit, which Boeing executives ended up on the Board of, and over the next 9 years the private equity firm sold Spirit stock and made something like 9 billion on an investment of several hundred million. Being private equity they’re not required to disclose who their investors are, but it’s a fair bet to guess that Boeing executives were likely themselves among the investors to whom Boeing Wichita was sold.
Because there’s no such thing nowadays as a Board of Directors composed of major stockholders, who if it existed (as in the past 50+ years ago) would never allow this kind of thing to happen, executives are often free to damage their own companies for personal benefit.
A 3 hour tour.
THIS IS THE GREATEST COMMENT OF THEM ALL!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!
Listening them avoid saying spacex can save us while claiming starliner one day could bail out space x is comical
that's really true.. LOL
So, these thrusters never went through a full mission profile in testing? They launched PEOPLE without actually testing the thrusters fully? Ah, Boeing....
Let's be generous and say not in vacuum or something.
And NASA assigned responsibility to develop the testing requirements to Boeing?
@@deth3021 But as I understand it these recent tests that managed to overheat the thrusters, mimicking what was seen in flight, where the first time any physical thruster was ever put through that protocol. Literally they never even bothered to test the full flight profile with the physical hardware. I feel like everyone in upper management should just be banned from any job with risk. So, no, they can't be fry cooks at McDonalds. Get that wrong and people get sick.
@@ChildSpaceMethod Yeah, I hope they learned their lesson. Sad that NASA and the FAA had to be learning in parallel that Boeing is incompetent as shit and needs baby sitting big time.
Oh they were leaking on the launch pad but reminicint of the Challanger they said Screw it we cant afford another scrub and sent it anyway.
Did you see the Boeing executive take a huge deep breath while she was introducing him? His body language says it all.
She's a NASA spokesperson.
@@IronmanV5 I was looking at the guy on the right
Yep saw that.
I bet his pay check makes up for it😂
Really, they are only now discovering failure modes in normal operation?
Failing seals and corrosion suggest design and development errors to me.
Wonder who signed off this device for man rated flight.
A bit like 737 max.
RV
Greed needs to be regulated.
Never let the bean counters get control in safety management environments.
If it's Boeing no one is going
How do they do the thruster tests at the atmospheric pressure and temperatures they would experience in space?
In a vacuum cell. Basically and air tight cylinder where you plug in your aspirator. Not that difficult. How do you think Mars space robots are tested ?
@@12345fowler the instant you've fired a thruster, the test cell is no longer at vacuum.
That's very different from testing an electrically powered robot, which you can test in a continuous vacuum for as many weeks as you want.
So, if I got this right they didn't take into account the sun shining on it in space.....really wow.......
Boeing is a disgrace.
A 3 hour tour...
The question that NASA really needs to answer is why did they launch it in the first place. There were problems with the helium/thrusters before the launch.
If you haven't an answer confuse them with Bull 😂
Hope Boeing gets this one right. Thoughts and prayers for the crew and engineers.
They're cashing their welfare checks from the government. All is going to plan.
Boeing and NASA please refund the USA Taxpayers $6,000,000,000 dollars and cancel StarLiner contract immediately.
Will Butch and Suni get home before their 100th birthdays?
Houston… our spaceship is fooked.
Okay, put on your spacesuit and see said fook.
Houston, our spacesuit is fooked.
Houston: Foooooook!
😂
Weird they have so much trouble just saying that dragon is the backup contingency for starliner. It's like he did everything to avoid saying those words.
It's shocking how casual the Boeing people are about what amounts to a disaster.
NASA director on the phone this week trying to figure out who to call. SpaceX or the Russians. SpaceX or the Russians. SpaceX or the Russians. Oh Geez.
That's the difference between the old Nasa and now days is everything was tested over and over before anything was put together. 9 years to go from no one in space to landing on the moon and now you can't even get a rocket right.
Thanks for making a very interesting press conference easily available. I was impressed by the quality of the questions asked. However no one asked about potential impact on the next Starliner mission.
There won't be a next launch. This will be the end of Starliner. It's too expensive and there are too many problem. Boeing is a husk of its former glory. They can not compete on price so they have to cut corners to even hit their ridiculous budgets.
Wait, did you not run the thrusters through a whole mission simulation while on the ground?!?!?! You wait to do this until the capsule is in space?!?!??!?
@@vauhner81 I heard nothing in the press conference to suggest they won't launch again. Indeed I suspect that contractually they have to continue unless Boeing can't fix the issues. They talked about both SpaceX and Boeing providing mutual cover. I agree it was a great waste of NASA & Boeing money, but that is all sunk cost !!
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What next Starliner mission?
Ok I would love to go to space but I do NOT want to STAY there! 😱
"really good data points"=that screwed up, and that screwed up, and that screwed up too
They are evaluating the stability of leaks in bulging teflon seals now?
Incredible
Nice quality control on Teflon seals ? Holy crap . Off the shelf seal’s from Home Depot might work better .
15:33 "we didn't know that other visiting vehicles do this [test] before they leave ..."
Sorry, but wtaf?
21:08 "someday starliner could be a backup to a dragon mission ..."
Sorry, but I wasn't aware NASA press events are supposed to be comedic.
😂😂I laughed at that one also. Rank amateur's.
We're learning a lot... like testing whether the chemicals affect the rubber seals. Well they do on my motorbike
I hate it when my teflon bubbles.
🤣
Does the Starliner design and engineering team follow Federal DEI protocols?
we had so much great information, like were fuked. btw, the ceo just doubled his salary to 42 Million dollars a year, or 115 THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY. One person.
"Fly Me to the Moon" a Sony Pictures comedy with Scarlett Johansson on how Apollo played lunar landings
They said it was safe to launch even thought they had leaks and thruster problems etc etc etc!
We got some people stuck in space my main concern is that we did not word the 8 day journey correctly and importantly we learned what did not work.
It's all broken but we are confident that it is all ok, blame it on teflon.(satire)
All that ground testing, should have been done before certifying for manned flight.
how about making seals that arent susceptible to nitrogen-tetroxide?
All these tests needed to be done before the very very first flight, now is too late
They did tested it in a computer simulation. I'm not joking, that's how they work. That's USA(Nasa) traditional way of doing it.
SpaceX on the other hand do the Soviet way: build cheap, test it(blow up) and make it better.
@@AthosRac exactly that is the joke, by computer simulation. Now after the second test with similar problems they test real life and they found material design problems, totally ridiculous
They did firing tests in New Mexico a few years ago. However, that design where the thrusters in the service module are may need to be redesigned or they Aerojet Rocketdyne need to use more robust parts for that design.
Sounds like an AGILE run by GEN Z
IF they are stock in SPCE as the front picture says, then there's no problem at all.
This is getting ridiculous.
Will SpaceX have to carry out a rescue?
How about a new set of gaskets per flight?
Didn't we learn about RCS and NTO in the Sixties?
Saturn 5 rocket?
Apollo capsule?
Space Shuttle?
Rocketdyne and NASA have the blueprints!
Maybe NASA will wake up and tell Boeing to crawl back under the rock they called home about 20 years ago. Boeing needs new leadership and they should look to Elon Musk for this.
Boeing doesn't need a "NEW" leadership it needs "A LEADERSHIP". As currently there is none anymore. Calhoun is out. Wonder what he still does at Boeing ? Maybe do some inventory counting stuff, the kind of work accountants like him do.
The Shuttle had thrusters. It too was exposed to the same temperatures as Starliner. The more I listen to this the more I can hear the Boeing lack of good engineering coming through.
It should have been shelved well before using it to send astronauts into space...
HOLY CRAZY, THIS MAN ACCEPTED THAT BOEING DID NOT KNOW RETURNING NAVES TEST THEIR TRUSTERS AND SYSTEMS BEFORE COMMENCING RETURN MANEUVERING . I AM WORRY NOW. SALUDOS
I am not surprised. Instead of learning through mentors and maintaining a linear continuum of knowledge and experience from Apollo through all the other missions to today, Boeing was given a contract and started from scratch and put together a project team. I would not be surprised if their test team also started from scratch and built up their cases from zero. Looks like their will be adding a few more test cases to their set. Also sounds like AGILE, incremental testing, fail fast and fail hard, repeat.
@@Johnwashere-dt2ov YOU ARE CORRECT. SALUDOS
CEO, all executive management, entire HR dept, some id’ed mid-management and some floor supervisors need prison time for what they did to Boeing.
Only one test thruster? Should be 100!
Must be those pesky Helium molecules🤣 If it weren't for all their other mostly delayed faulty military projects, Boeing would be screwed.
Undock the whole system and send it to the sun . If it’s Boeing , I ain’t going.
the Starliner a backup to the Dragon, hmmm what would Elon say about that
If they have to test the thrusters before undocking, to check if they fit with their theory and model, it's because they have no clue.
Rescue the crew. Use the Starliner as a test bed in space to help fix the problems (far away from the ISS) by finding the root causes.
And do a non-crewed certification flight. Don't certify this mess as is.
It's a test mission. Unlike the crew dragon, the Starliner's service module separates and burns up on re-entry. So, they need to do ground tests and analysis before the Starliner returns.
@@arthurhamilton5222 it's not a *TEST* mission, but a *CERTIFICATION* mission to validate that everything is operational and optimal. They should pivot to a test mission for the Starliner in Space, and a CrewDragon rescue mission for the crew.
Let's not forget the Boeing whistleblowers who passed away under odd circumstances...😢
Shouldn't the management team be obliged to fly supported by the projects they are in charge of ?
There is an answer.........just that nobody at Boeing has the guts to admit it or the balls to do it.
And half a century ago NASA was making regular trips to the moon , makes you think
Rename Starliner to Bean Counter One. Put Dave Calhoun on the next launch. He can start lying on the pad before launch.
Only one thruster, not 100?
Thank you for NOT answering the QUESTIONS. You should be politicians.
They can NOT repair the Doomliner, no spares, no tools and no access
What Steve is talking now, indicates Boeing and NASA did not do due diligence job and proper QA in 6 years as all those issues could be discovered and fixed at that time.
Is Steve going to submit resignadtion once astronauts see safely back?
If I was them I would really be embarrased.
Both these guys ought to be arrested for the theft of billions for a garbage product .
Gambling with peoples lives.
This vehicle should never have been used for a crewed flight. You should be glad you're not reporting to James Webb and Hugh Loweth
I hope these journalists did not have science degrees the questions were so lame. First question I would have asked and I have no degrees, is what is the difference in looking at a ship on the ground for problems years in and a ship exposed to vacuum and radiation that failed at once.
Even if Boeing doesn't have vacuum test facilities NASA does.
Is the Starliner capsule too big for the Neil Armstrong Test Facility?
They are lacking a sense of urgency and seem kind of lethargic and defeated. It's past time to admit they need a SpaceX rescue.
Maybe they could just use Starliner like an old-fashioned outdoor toilet for the ISS. That seems to be all this piece of crap is worth.
This ship is designed for deep space and the fuel use in thrusters is eating the lining in the thrusters. How many billions have they spent on Boeings crap! Defund Boeing space!
No it's not. You are talking about Orion. Orion is the capsule that is designed to take humans to Lunar orbit and further. Starliner, like the Crew Dragon, is a LOW EARTH ORBIT, ONLY, capsule. It b does not have the radiation shielding or other modifications made for deep space.
The politicians and a segment of the public demanded that NASA outsourced the design and build to Boeing. They got what they demanded live with it.
“We are making great progress”. Do these people actually think we will believe this bullshit? That’s damn insulting! I have a suggestion -> STOP LYING TO MAKE BOEING LOOK GOOD! STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW!
If they uninstall Crowdstrike, it will work again 😂
Of course none of this happened with SpaceX.
They should just undock it and set it free.
Why is NASA involved in all those Boeing Starliner headaches? I thought it was called the "Commercial Crew Program". As I understand the word commercial in this context, NASA purchases a service and a private company delivers the goods. It is this private company to make it work and deliver what was purchased. Or is Boeing so incompetent that NASA has to get so involved in the project at this level? Or is NASA worried that if the problems are not fixed, two people and billions will be lost for good.
After the first orbital test flight there was an extensive inquiry that determined that NASA should have more oversight...which they did for a couple of years...then backed off because Boeing probably complained they were big boys now.
Seems that decision was a bit premature...now NASA are fire fighting something not of their making but to which they are wedded by dint of the commercial crew service contract.
Otherwise I think they would have waltzed away several years ago.
Because the politics are that NASA must outsource to a private company that has never built manned space craft. What could go wrong? So unlimited taxpayer money goes to Boeing and this is what we get. Boeing’s failure will be blamed on NASA.
@@Johnwashere-dt2ov If I was NASA, I would let Boeing fix their problems. What are they paid for? SpaceX can, why does Boeing need babysitting.
Yeah, the same goes with outsourcing. Tier company working fort you at commanded fix price. It works until it doesn't anymore and then you end up in the same bed again (cf Boeing / Spirit)
@@todortodorov6056 their contract means that Boeing will get paid to fix their problems. Also there are humans (EDIT) stuck in space. Not a good look and irresponsible for NASA to do nothing and just wait for Boeing to fix their sh$it. Ultimately NASA is responsible for overseeing what their sub-contractor delivers.
No Answers Space Abomination
Just allow Musk to get the astronauts.
too many words, verbal explanations, NO SAMPLE THRUSTERS, animations on how it works and how solutions are tested/implemented.
BOEING, ... BOEING, ... G O N E !!!
What a shower. Whole bunch of people fevereshly shuffling paper.
Dump the Starliner in the south pacific with the other space junk.
They are in deep doo doo...and they have boxed themselves into a position where they cannot admit there is a serious problem getting the crew home in one piece.
I would not be surprised if Butch refuses to fly it home...they obviously have a situation where they cannot guarantee thruster effectiveness.
They have problems with a work around...thrusters are still busted and getting worse ...it sounds like the glitch is affecting more then the 5 they know about and that Boeing claimed were not really needed.
They have a croc of shite on their hands...If they decide to carry on with the 'no chickens in here' rhetoric' they will kill the crew...or at least put them in very grave jeopardy.
He looks so uncomfortable...yep that 'mission' is in deep trouble and no one has a valid clue how to fix it except by jury rigging thruster use and not as the flight profile demands.
A wing and a prayer indeed...think this is the end of Starliner whatever...maybe Bezos might find a use for it...but it is unlikely to feature much, if at all, in the final few yrs of ISS function.
Bottom line is they know what is wrong but have no idea how to fix it....
Boeing, Boeing, Gone……
Please NO FUTURE FLIGHTS!
Are these possibly the new engineers graduating from our colleges that are products of our new educational system? You don’t have to show up on time? You don’t need to do your term papers? 2 + 2 = 5? You need CRT above all else?
DEI hires just checked the boxes rather than actual tests
Dave Calhoun is definitely a DEI hire...
Your headline is clickbait.
Did you actually listen to the broadcast? Seems like they pretty clearly figured out and replicated the cause. I'm really disappointed lately in the lack of care in your characterization of events.
They never said they could fix it yet.
Knowing is only half the battle. Now they actually have to fix the issues.
The point at which Boeing could justifiably be given the benefit of the doubt passed two years ago.
Using a craft that sat FUELED for 3 years is just astonishing.
@@Critical-Thinker895still not true!
In other words these experts ain't got clue another government agency lying their ass off😂😂😂😂😂😂
Apollo literally gave them an entire book on how to do it right - and they ignored it. This is just a symptom of the failing state that is the US today.
where is Superman, homelander, American Captain, ironman? 😂