That’s tragic how they keep putting the Methodist Church’s laws over GODS word. What the Bible says is what should over ride all religions laws. Period
Amen! Always love and accept your brothers and sisters, and always believe there is a reason God allows us to feel what we feel, and He always wants to bring any temptation, big or small, to Him.
I knew years ago,there was something wrong with this so called denomination!!they better repent before its too late,god is no where's near this apostasy!!!
I dont like how they are trying to FORCE their views and being disrespectful to the speakers when they didnt get their way. Just break off and start your own denomination that align with your views. Dont force others to believe what is contrary to the Word
Parents force their gullible 3 year old toddlers into their religion every day by telling them if they are naughty they will burn in hell for eternity.
Sad to see what the UMC has become. I can read the English language just fine. Regardless of the scriptural translation I do not see one instance where The Lord said “Nevermind, I didn’t mean all that I’ve said on this topic.”
The pastor performing his son's wedding reminds me of the the Eli in the bible who allows his sons to engaging in all kind of sin and because the priest chose his son over God word, God punished Eli's family with death. God is clear on His word
Go... give your heart to Jesus, be converted, and let the healing Spirit fill your life, then go to the Bible, read it properly please, with the aid of people who have studied, and then come back and pour your opinions
@@adrianofrattini5432 Dude there are thousands of religions. I’m not gunna devote me life to one without sufficient evidence that it is in any way better than all the others.
There are a couple of foundational issues driving the division. First, uneven enforcement of the rules of the denomination. If you don’t agree with the rules, then you should fight to change those rules or leave the denomination. If you aren’t going to enforce the rules, why bother having them at all. Second, and most important, is undermining the authority of the Bible, allowing one to cherry pick what you like and dislike about it. This is the traditional vs liberal theology debate - all other issues stem from this.
I knew there was something very wrong, with this denomination!they are pretty much going down a rabbit hole,along with catholics and other known cults!why do you'll keep talking about social justice??that is not of god !
The Word of Almighty God - and God Himself - is being ignored, defamed, and blasphemed by those who support and affirm homosexual practices by Methodist members and clergy.
Boulder Field Why do people say we are deceived when we tell you that we are not living in the last days? Here are 10 proofs from Scripture that it is referring to the end of the Mosaic Covenant. 1. John already said his time was already the last hour. 1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. If it was the last hour in his time surely it cannot be the last days now. A hour is shorter than a day. 2. Jesus said it would happen in AD70. Matthew 23:35-36 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. When he said these words, it was AD30. One generation is 40 years. It happen in AD70. It’s not our generation. It is his. 3. The day of the Lord was again the Jews not the Gentiles. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. There are no Jews who would stop the preaching of Jesus to you today. 4. Jesus never said it was a worldwide tribulation. Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: It was in the vicinity of Judea. Jerusalem. 5. What about “every eye will see him?” Revelation 1:7 “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” “Every eye shall see him” is qualified with the words “everyone that pierced him”. There is only one generation of people who pierced him. Those who lived within the generation he had gone to. Also it is a quote from: Zechariah 12:10-11 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.” I want us to see what John wants you to know that the age of grace and supplication has come because of the death of Jesus. I also want you to see how this would come into fruition. See verse 11. “On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.” Note it has to do with the weeping in Jerusalem. 6. Hebrews 9:26 actually tells you the world “ended” on the cross. Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 7. The Temple existed in Jerusalem during the time of Revelation. Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. The Temple was destroyed in AD70. The angel could not have ask him to measure a temple erected for today. John is long asleep. 8. John said he was experiencing the tribulation himself. Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. When he saw the events showed to him, he was in Patmos. At the time of him writing the letter he was no longer in Patmos, he was going through the tribulation with his fellow believers. 9. Josephus who was there in AD70 wrote this. Josephus (A.D. 75) - Jewish Historian “Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, “Let us remove hence” (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3). “A supernatural apparition was seen, too amazing to be believed. What I am now to relate would, I imagine, be dismissed as imaginary, had this not been vouched for by eyewitnesses, then followed by subsequent disasters that deserved to be thus signalized. For before sunset chariots were seen in the air over the whole country, and armed battalions speeding through the clouds and encircling the cities.” (rendered in Chilton) 10. Paul himself says Sinai is the city of Jerusalem at that time. Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. That Jerusalem was destroyed in AD70. It was destroyed to make way for the New Jerusalem. This was even stated in Hebrews. Hebrews 13:14 For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come. Jerusalem (at that time) was about to be destroyed.
Boulder Field So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you You can't get more equal than treating everyone else the same way you want to be treated.
Boulder Field Being in the light has nothing to do with being religious or serving God. It just simply means being a new creation in the new covenant. The bible speaks about the law and the instruments in the tabernacle of Moses as the shadows. These shadows points to a reality. This reality is Christ. If you believe in Jesus, you are in Christ. You are in this reality. You therefore move from the shadows into the light. The bible also tells us in the Amplified version that you are the very sanctuary of the Holy Ghost. You are not the outer court nor the inner court, but the very sanctuary meaning the Holy of holies of the Holy Spirit. In the holy of holies, there is no window. The only light comes from the glory above the ark. You are that holy of holies. Christ lives in you. You are no longer of the law and its tabernacle. They are merely shadows. You are now in the reality they point to. You are in Christ and Christ in you. That is how you enter the light and how the light of all men makes you the light of the world. When you enter the New Covenant.
Boulder Field Whenever you tell someone that even the unbelievers are forgiven on the cross, people will call us universalists. They then ask you if so and so are saved. Firstly when Jesus died they were no believers with the possible exception the thief. Then people quote you a series of scripture of how you need to believe in order to be saved. Yet they don’t understand that it was a period of transition of covenants. That message of faith was necessary because during that time the people needed to be saved from the coming wrath of God. However the wrath of God was poured out in AD70 and has since been extinguished. Even Jesus said you will never see a similar tribulation. So when you read what believers tell you they constantly tell you: you are in Adam, you need to repent, you need to delivered from Satan and God’s judgment when you die. Here is my question. We have come to understand God’s wrath was appointed towards the generation Jesus came to. That wrath was visited upon that generation is the great tribulation which climaxed in AD70. So we are already saved from the wrath of God. We also know now that Jesus took the sins of the world away once and for all on the cross. We also know he took the sins of everyone. Including the unbelievers. That’s because when Jesus died there were no believers except the thief and the Roman soldier who said “truly this was the Son of God”. So we are already saved from sin. After much observation we now know that we know that the old covenant being the Law is totally abolished in AD70 when the temple was destroyed. The Levitical priesthood also ended. So did the old city of God Jerusalem. So we are already saved from the Law. We also know Satan has been stripped of his authority. He has been cast down. After AD70 he is under our feet. When Jerusalem fell he lost his dominion over us. So we are already saved from the Devil. As mentioned earlier the wrath of God was something that was attributed to the Jews of that time and when Jesus spoke about hell fire it was about Jerusalem in AD70 where millions were killed and that city was burnt to the ground for a few months. We have already been saved from hell. So now when we tell people you have to believe Jesus in order to be saved, what are we actually trying to be saved from? If there is nothing left for God to save us from, why do we say that it is universalism when we say that unbelievers need no saving except what was wrongly taught to them?
When the day arrives to kneel before the throne. Our king will enlighten you with the truth. Whatever it may be, it will only belong to you and the Lord. Do not be afraid brothers and sisters for the path is foggy. Do not let the sinner dictate your fate. Ask the Lord to shower you with the holy spirit to provide you with wisdom and strength. Let that solitary moment in his glory guide you to come to your decision. I would ask you brothers and sisters to look to the book of Life for the answer you need while fighting the war of temptation. Do not be distracted by the static noise for it lies. Be wise and find your truth in the word.
5:10 fine. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. The UMC is dealing with this, because the homosexuals all ran to the UMC when most others said "no". The UMC is the last to take them in, and it's a supply and demand thing.
We desperately need God back in the building. We need the transformational power of the Holy Spirit that John Wesley knew. This is all so sad to see people trying to fulfill a Christian life in human strength while the devil is breaking apart a historic denomination. But this is not anything new, I remember being at a methodist church who had a gay warship leader and it was kept hush hush. God is saying choose this day who you will serve. Power belongs to our God, power to set free from unholy appetites and addictions.
I disagree, in the Bible a man went to the girls father and payed a dowry. We are not to worship our wives. Also government marriage license is not even biblical.
@@ryanehlis426 That's why there has to be an iron wall between church and state. We can all believe in what we believe as far as the world beyond this one, but it isn't right for religious ideology to form the basis for legislation that affects civil society, and I'm sure you don't want secular philosophy to have jurisdiction over your Biblical practices. That's totally understandable. The solution is to just keep them away from each other.
A F this insanity with the COVID 19 fake news stupidity is a good example. The state stops at church doors! We have seen pastors arrested for refusing to close there churches. The ones that did close bowed to fear and intimidation from the state.
What these people are conveying about this denomination, tells me they are NOT preaching against these sexual sins!!it will continue to decline if they don't take a stand against all sin,period!!!
14:09 I think this position truly ignores the "fallen world" element of being an Evangelical...there is no "perfect world" in this life, and while it's likely true that homosexuality is a kind of "brokenness" so is a sexual heterosexual life. When we are one with Christ, sex should be the furthest thing from our minds...but we are a fallen creation, we disobeyed God's Word (as straight people, if you accept the story of Adam and Eve) and fell short of the glory of God. Now, we live in a world where sexual orientation ISN'T some bipolar, binary notion anymore. The Holy Spirit guides these things, it would be false prophesy to suggest otherwise. To deny homosexual couples (and clergy) their own share of "holiness" is antithetical to a faith-based Christian church: conservative Methodists MUST have faith that God will guide homosexual couples in healing from their "sin" (i.e. their desire for sexual relationships) in the same way that heterosexual couples must be guided to remain as chaste and as celibate as is necessary to reach the Kingdom of Heaven. It's deeply dishonest to suggest that committed homosexual relationships are inherently more sinful than committed heterosexual relationships: we ALL live in sin.
Weaponizing scripture is not the way to serve God. The Bible is not infallible. Thousands of manuscripts exist; some have been deliberately altered. Scholars argue as to what the original language meant. As late as 1946, the ancient manuscripts were interpreted in a new way, different from the way they had been. The Bible has changed; church polity has changed. We can keep changing; we can continue the process started in Jerusalem, when Paul and Peter argued about whether Gentiles had to subject themselves to Jewish law (since there was no bible then) in order to be Christians. God had already showed them that their ancient enemies, the Samaritans, could be Christians. God had already showed them that eunuchs--those who had been mutilated and were considered excluded from God's grace--they could be Christians, too. God even showed Peter in a vision that Gentiles could be Christians. What if God hadn't finished speaking? Who else would God have extended grace to? How can we take a collection of books that was compiled by humans, and interpreted by humans in different ways over the millennia to suit different human needs, and use that to exclude anyone from the church? I could be wrong. That's part of the joyous risk of being a Christian. Any of us could be wrong. But when I stand before God at the end of my life, I want to be able to say that I earnestly meant to be doing God's will, and that I erred on the side of love. I trust God's grace and forgiveness.
you have perfectly responded. it's not about the law, it's about love. my pentecostal pastor welcomed blacks into our mississippi church in 1960. an incredible witness for me. i stand with you.
Who's being denied grace and welcome? I'm a Methodist, I love you, and you are welcome at our UMC. Just who are you calling out as not offering grace? Now it's possible that you are interested in allowing others to behave in a manner that brings division and disruption by forcing fellow Christians to accept an activist-agitator definition of sin and to even celebrate something they consider sin. Not accusing you, just responding to your tone. Every UMC I know extends welcome to all but deliberate disruption and disorder is a behavior that isn't welcome. So which are you supporting? A Christian seeking to make disciples or an agitator-activist seeking to force others to accept their definition of sin? ruclips.net/video/9SleWi5dV6c/видео.html
mrs3Quator You are deeply misinformed about Christian History and Scripture. In 1946, what was the new interpretation that had never been seen before? While languages have changed, interpretations have done an impeccable job keeping up with them. The New Testament is the singularly most attested to collection in all of history. Among the thousands upon thousands of manuscripts that exist, only a few significant differences exist. Of those few, the vast majority of others attest so strongly against those differences, that it is easy to see the copy. This leaves only a few (I believe 7 is the current count) of passages that have genuine questions around their verbage and origin. The story of Jesus rescuing the woman caught in adultery is the largest one of those differences. I'm sure you would rightfully exclude the West Boro Baptists shown in the video from your church if they continued in this manner. So all of this talk about "the sin of exclusion" is sound and fury, as Paul, Peter, and Jesus Himself all gave clear instructions on when someone must be removed from the body of the Church. It's right and holy to not be quick to do such a thing, and to even hate that it must be done. But for the sake of the love of your other brothers and sisters, for the love of God, and even for the love of those who have been removed, it sometimes must be done. LGBTQ people in the UMC have never been excluded from the table of the Lord, from worship, or from serving. Non-chaste people are excluded from the pastorate, but this is true regardless of sexuality. However, divisive people, contentious people, those who will stop at nothing to change Christian traditions recklessly and without the blessing of leadership, such people should not even ranked among the church according to its Founder and Lord. The political movement that appropriates the LGBTQ label had indeed done that.
My father and grandfather were Methodist (me too!) AND my recently ancestry showed me my Dad came from a long line of (a couple hundred years ( Methodist ministers). They are ALL rolling in their Graves now.
Authenticating sin is NOT obedience to God. Jesus said marriage is one man and one woman. These religionists actually think they are MORE moral than the one who DEFINES morality
God loves all his children but he will hold us all accountable for the life we choose to live. The downfall of the United Methodist church saddens me and to see those who vow to lead others to Christ based on God’s word, but through your interpretation of try and justify your life choices.
Maybe the tent is just too big to include everyone, and everybody's ideas. When you go outside of scripture to accomplish this, you have grown too big for your theology.
30:30 and that's why women are not permitted to hold ecclesiastical authority. And since the UMC caved on that issue, why is it any surprise that they're fighting on this one? See 36:44 for a case in point.
It is interesting to note . . . 1) That "disobedience" is only applied to the denomination and never to God's holy Law. 2) Godly ministers get no musical background and shorter time. 3) God's word on the issue of sexual perversion is never quoted.
II Timothy 3 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
it would be nice to quote Gods opinion rather than play piano music and say "people are hurting ...and need your help ...those people ...need to get their way"
um ... leviticus says lying with a male a womanly bed was against Israelite religion and is irrelevant today. 1 cor and 1 tim say that male-bedders were doing something so hurtful that it incompatible with life in God's kingdom. Bible says nothing against loving relationships.
@@gusyao8407 why do you ask? do you really believe people can't read the Bible for themselves and discover the truth? Look up Rom 13.8-10. being gay is not a sin.
@@MusicalRaichu not a word a rom 13 says gay is not a sin, so u can't honestly say if u r a trans or gay, why I ask? just in case u r still redeemable, u have read 'GO AND SIN NO MORE' haven't u? If u continually dwelling in sin, nothing can turn u, u r on ur own, homosexuality is a continual sin. If u r one, I tell u why?
@@gusyao8407 rom 13.9 says "love your neighbour" is enough to satisfy ALL God's commands, not "love your neighbour and no gay secs". homoxesuality is the capacity for some men to have an intimate relationship with a man instead of a woman and vice versa. It is not a sin. It is not something someone can change at will. on the other hand, telling people that being gay is a sin has done incredible harm. i've just had a look at several scientific papers on the issue. that means that by telling people that being gay is a sin, you are harming them. it's you who needs to repent. why do you think being gay is wrong anyway? those bible passages you cited don't say it.
Praised be God for the Methodist Church that really incarnates the heart of Jesus, away from literalism and fundamentalism, that have poisoned the Gospel, and destroy the Church of Christ
Their true colours show in how they acted in the end. Rebellious lovers of sin. He who practices homosexuality and calls it good, is wrong. It has nothing to do with tradition.
Each and every human being- all mankind were born into a world where temptation..evil...and SIN exists. We are not perfect...not even close..we all have deep rooted imperfections- each type of TEMPTATION and EACH kind of human desire is not the same for each person...being born with an attraction to same gender people..is a form of brokenness- a very REAL & emotional feeling- but it is a temptation of our human flesh & sinful nature as men & women on the earth. Some people are very tempted to have sexual relations with the opposite gender..prior to marriage..& without consideration of marriage at all. Some people are tempted to do things that are not legal...or hateful...some people cannot control their tongue & use it to spread gossip or to judge. Some people cannot keep from stealing, lying, abusing, murdering, neglecting, being jealous of others...and many other things that are temptations- that when acted upon- cause us to sin. When we accept Jesus...we turn from all of it
9.36 The bible tells us that the union in a marriage is between a women and a man, not two man or two women , this situation can bring you pain , but been objetive is the best decision brother, the day of the Lord what you are going to say to the Lord? ...i did it because i do love to my son Lord?.That is way i leeft the UMC and i went to the GMC.
Why is this one “sin” seen as so much worse than all the others? No one blinks at a heterosexual couple being on their second, third, or fifteenth marriage, yet Jesus directly called that out as adultery. No one hesitated to openly covet material goods, and that’s in the big ten! All of this gnashing about gay marriage sounds like hypocrisy in that light.
The only word is the word of God, God doesn’t change he clearly stated marriage is between Man and Women and God doesn’t lie , repent before it’s to late. God is not a God accommodation, he is true to his word and No,he won’t change.
CECP CECP sure man. Proove god’s word is worth a damn then we will gladly repent. Until then all I hear is a deluted manchild that thinks gay people are yucky.
Conservatives: Stop assuming that 'biblical inerrancy' is/should/must be a component of strong theology. Never has been true, never will be true. Understand that taking moral dictates on pure faith is shaky epistemological ground. Liberals: Empathize with conservatives who are afraid that endorsing homosexual relationships will open the door to endorsing things like polygamy and pederasty. Use reason, not relativism and emotion, to defend your position or you have no position.
Sure you can be gay and be a Christian. But operating in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, consumed by the 🔥 and still engaging in homosexuality, not a chance. The Holy Spirit is just what His name suggests. Holy.
I used to be Methodist...but ya know I don't need them any more than they want me ..but here a Church ..Middle Collegiate Church in NYC ..that follows Christ and takes seriously his admonition to LOVE ONE ANOTHER ..PERIOD! Middle Church is as diverse as the subway; our worship rocks like a gospel concert and touches you like a Broadway show. No matter who you love, no matter how you look, no matter how you make a living, you are welcome here. Whether you live in Park Slope or Paris, you can share in this movement, in person or online. "Love. Period.” is our guiding ethic. Join our multi-everything community by completing the short form below. Welcome home, beloved; we're glad to have you!
I'm a Methodist, I love you, and you are welcome at our UMC. Just who are you calling out as not wanting you? Now it's possible that you are interested in behaving in a manner that brings division and disruption by forcing fellow Christians to accept an activist-agitator definition of sin and to even celebrate something they consider sin. Not accusing you, just responding to your tone. You are welcome at every UMC I know of but deliberate disruption and disorder is a behavior that isn't. So which are you? A Christian seeking to make disciples or an agitator-activist seeking to force others to accept your definition of sin? ruclips.net/video/9SleWi5dV6c/видео.html
I feel so this man. It has to be very hard. However, the Word of God is very clear. Jesus wept over Jerusalem. What it did to His heart. My son died at 29 so I understand pain. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the sin they lived and embraced. God is loving and judge. No matter what we want to believe it isn’t up to us. If Jesus is who He claimed to be He destroyed those cities and we do not change scripture. Celibacy was pictured by the apostle Paul.
B. John Masters Hurting people=proclaiming the truth of Christ. Nice logic. Jesus said the gates of hell will never prevail against his church yet he let his church be wrong on homosexuality for 2000 years. Yeah right!
How many people could line up to say that Jesus hurt them too? That's not a good metric of guilt. Meanwhile, you have been malicious to your brother. Please take the plank from your own eye first.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. They are not at all Chrians anymore than Satan is a choir boy. Roman's, Chaper 1:
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That’s tragic how they keep putting the Methodist Church’s laws over GODS word. What the Bible says is what should over ride all religions laws. Period
Amen! Always love and accept your brothers and sisters, and always believe there is a reason God allows us to feel what we feel, and He always wants to bring any temptation, big or small, to Him.
I knew years ago,there was something wrong with this so called denomination!!they better repent before its too late,god is no where's near this apostasy!!!
John Wesley would be incredibly saddened that his movement would be responsible for carrying so many away from God. Matthew 7:15, Jeremiah 23:1.
I dont like how they are trying to FORCE their views and being disrespectful to the speakers when they didnt get their way. Just break off and start your own denomination that align with your views. Dont force others to believe what is contrary to the Word
Trypheana Young YES!!!
Whos being forced.
Parents force their gullible 3 year old toddlers into their religion every day by telling them if they are naughty they will burn in hell for eternity.
Sad to see what the UMC has become. I can read the English language just fine. Regardless of the scriptural translation I do not see one instance where The Lord said “Nevermind, I didn’t mean all that I’ve said on this topic.”
The pastor performing his son's wedding reminds me of the the Eli in the bible who allows his sons to engaging in all kind of sin and because the priest chose his son over God word, God punished Eli's family with death. God is clear on His word
He put his family before Gods word and basically said he knows more than God
Jeremy B all I see is a pastor not being a bigoted piece of shit for once.
Go... give your heart to Jesus, be converted, and let the healing Spirit fill your life, then go to the Bible, read it properly please, with the aid of people who have studied, and then come back and pour your opinions
@@adrianofrattini5432 Dude there are thousands of religions. I’m not gunna devote me life to one without sufficient evidence that it is in any way better than all the others.
@@thedankatheist3466 good answer, my response wasnt for you. I dont care much about unbeleievers
There are a couple of foundational issues driving the division. First, uneven enforcement of the rules of the denomination. If you don’t agree with the rules, then you should fight to change those rules or leave the denomination. If you aren’t going to enforce the rules, why bother having them at all. Second, and most important, is undermining the authority of the Bible, allowing one to cherry pick what you like and dislike about it. This is the traditional vs liberal theology debate - all other issues stem from this.
I knew there was something very wrong, with this denomination!they are pretty much going down a rabbit hole,along with catholics and other known cults!why do you'll keep talking about social justice??that is not of god !
The Word of Almighty God - and God Himself - is being ignored, defamed, and blasphemed by those who support and affirm homosexual practices by Methodist members and clergy.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!
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Love your neighbor
Boulder Field
Why do people say we are deceived when we tell you that we are not living in the last days?
Here are 10 proofs from Scripture that it is referring to the end of the Mosaic Covenant.
1. John already said his time was already the last hour.
1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.
If it was the last hour in his time surely it cannot be the last days now. A hour is shorter than a day.
2. Jesus said it would happen in AD70.
Matthew 23:35-36
so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
When he said these words, it was AD30. One generation is 40 years. It happen in AD70. It’s not our generation. It is his.
3. The day of the Lord was again the Jews not the Gentiles.
1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
There are no Jews who would stop the preaching of Jesus to you today.
4. Jesus never said it was a worldwide tribulation.
Matthew 24:16
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
It was in the vicinity of Judea. Jerusalem.
5. What about “every eye will see him?”
Revelation 1:7
“every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
“Every eye shall see him” is qualified with the words “everyone that pierced him”.
There is only one generation of people who pierced him. Those who lived within the generation he had gone to.
Also it is a quote from:
Zechariah 12:10-11
“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication.
They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.”
I want us to see what John wants you to know that the age of grace and supplication has come because of the death of Jesus. I also want you to see how this would come into fruition. See verse 11.
“On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo.”
Note it has to do with the weeping in Jerusalem.
6. Hebrews 9:26 actually tells you the world “ended” on the cross.
Hebrews 9:26
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
7. The Temple existed in Jerusalem during the time of Revelation.
Revelation 11:1
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
The Temple was destroyed in AD70. The angel could not have ask him to measure a temple erected for today. John is long asleep.
8. John said he was experiencing the tribulation himself.
Revelation 1:9
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
When he saw the events showed to him, he was in Patmos. At the time of him writing the letter he was no longer in Patmos, he was going through the tribulation with his fellow believers.
9. Josephus who was there in AD70 wrote this.
Josephus (A.D. 75) - Jewish Historian
“Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.
Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, “Let us remove hence” (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3).
“A supernatural apparition was seen, too amazing to be believed. What I am now to relate would, I imagine, be dismissed as imaginary, had this not been vouched for by eyewitnesses, then followed by subsequent disasters that deserved to be thus signalized.
For before sunset chariots were seen in the air over the whole country, and armed battalions speeding through the clouds and encircling the cities.” (rendered in Chilton)
10. Paul himself says Sinai is the city of Jerusalem at that time.
Galatians 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
That Jerusalem was destroyed in AD70. It was destroyed to make way for the New Jerusalem.
This was even stated in Hebrews.
Hebrews 13:14
For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come.
Jerusalem (at that time) was about to be destroyed.
Boulder Field
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you
You can't get more equal than treating everyone else the same way you want to be treated.
Boulder Field Being in the light has nothing to do with being religious or serving God. It just simply means being a new creation in the new covenant.
The bible speaks about the law and the instruments in the tabernacle of Moses as the shadows. These shadows points to a reality. This reality is Christ. If you believe in Jesus, you are in Christ. You are in this reality. You therefore move from the shadows into the light.
The bible also tells us in the Amplified version that you are the very sanctuary of the Holy Ghost. You are not the outer court nor the inner court, but the very sanctuary meaning the Holy of holies of the Holy Spirit.
In the holy of holies, there is no window. The only light comes from the glory above the ark. You are that holy of holies. Christ lives in you. You are no longer of the law and its tabernacle. They are merely shadows. You are now in the reality they point to. You are in Christ and Christ in you.
That is how you enter the light and how the light of all men makes you the light of the world. When you enter the New Covenant.
Boulder Field
Whenever you tell someone that even the unbelievers are forgiven on the cross, people will call us universalists.
They then ask you if so and so are saved.
Firstly when Jesus died they were no believers with the possible exception the thief.
Then people quote you a series of scripture of how you need to believe in order to be saved.
Yet they don’t understand that it was a period of transition of covenants. That message of faith was necessary because during that time the people needed to be saved from the coming wrath of God.
However the wrath of God was poured out in AD70 and has since been extinguished. Even Jesus said you will never see a similar tribulation.
So when you read what believers tell you they constantly tell you: you are in Adam, you need to repent, you need to delivered from Satan and God’s judgment when you die.
Here is my question.
We have come to understand God’s wrath was appointed towards the generation Jesus came to. That wrath was visited upon that generation is the great tribulation which climaxed in AD70.
So we are already saved from the wrath of God.
We also know now that Jesus took the sins of the world away once and for all on the cross. We also know he took the sins of everyone. Including the unbelievers. That’s because when Jesus died there were no believers except the thief and the Roman soldier who said “truly this was the Son of God”.
So we are already saved from sin.
After much observation we now know that we know that the old covenant being the Law is totally abolished in AD70 when the temple was destroyed. The Levitical priesthood also ended. So did the old city of God Jerusalem.
So we are already saved from the Law.
We also know Satan has been stripped of his authority. He has been cast down. After AD70 he is under our feet. When Jerusalem fell he lost his dominion over us.
So we are already saved from the Devil.
As mentioned earlier the wrath of God was something that was attributed to the Jews of that time and when Jesus spoke about hell fire it was about Jerusalem in AD70 where millions were killed and that city was burnt to the ground for a few months.
We have already been saved from hell.
So now when we tell people you have to believe Jesus in order to be saved, what are we actually trying to be saved from?
If there is nothing left for God to save us from, why do we say that it is universalism when we say that unbelievers need no saving except what was wrongly taught to them?
Our feelings, emotions or anecdotal experiences should never be used as personal evidence that we are doing God's will.
Do you have another suggestion? Faith is inevitably a person, experiential process. It's a foundational tenet of Methodism and Evangelicalism.
The Bible.
Thank you for this.
When the day arrives to kneel before the throne. Our king will enlighten you with the truth. Whatever it may be, it will only belong to you and the Lord. Do not be afraid brothers and sisters for the path is foggy. Do not let the sinner dictate your fate. Ask the Lord to shower you with the holy spirit to provide you with wisdom and strength. Let that solitary moment in his glory guide you to come to your decision. I would ask you brothers and sisters to look to the book of Life for the answer you need while fighting the war of temptation. Do not be distracted by the static noise for it lies. Be wise and find your truth in the word.
Holy shit no one cares
5:10 fine. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
The UMC is dealing with this, because the homosexuals all ran to the UMC when most others said "no". The UMC is the last to take them in, and it's a supply and demand thing.
How happy must thy be to have you who will decide.
@@GloopSerious-nt9dv oh, I don't get to decide. That decision was made long ago before even America ever was.
Let it be heard- God is was and will always view acting on sinful desires as sin.
It has been heard..... and it has been dismissed due to lack of fucks to give.
@@thedankatheist3466 can confirm
Timothy there will come a time when folk will gather those that their itching ears want to hear.
Brian, this is good work. Thank you for doing it.
The doc ends with the gay preacher in a bar? This is a joke.
We desperately need God back in the building. We need the transformational power of the Holy Spirit that John Wesley knew. This is all so sad to see people trying to fulfill a Christian life in human strength while the devil is breaking apart a historic denomination. But this is not anything new, I remember being at a methodist church who had a gay warship leader and it was kept hush hush. God is saying choose this day who you will serve. Power belongs to our God, power to set free from unholy appetites and addictions.
There's only 2 times a man gets on his knees 1 is to pray to God & 2 to propose to his wife.
I disagree, in the Bible a man went to the girls father and payed a dowry. We are not to worship our wives. Also government marriage license is not even biblical.
if you have sex with a woman you are married
@@ryanehlis426 That's why there has to be an iron wall between church and state. We can all believe in what we believe as far as the world beyond this one, but it isn't right for religious ideology to form the basis for legislation that affects civil society, and I'm sure you don't want secular philosophy to have jurisdiction over your Biblical practices. That's totally understandable. The solution is to just keep them away from each other.
A F this insanity with the COVID 19 fake news stupidity is a good example. The state stops at church doors! We have seen pastors arrested for refusing to close there churches. The ones that did close bowed to fear and intimidation from the state.
@@AF-tv6uf Should theists be allowed to vote?
What these people are conveying about this denomination, tells me they are NOT preaching against these sexual sins!!it will continue to decline if they don't take a stand against all sin,period!!!
Why do you thumb your nose at JESUS marriage mandate? Christians are supposed ot influence culture...not vice versa
14:09 I think this position truly ignores the "fallen world" element of being an Evangelical...there is no "perfect world" in this life, and while it's likely true that homosexuality is a kind of "brokenness" so is a sexual heterosexual life. When we are one with Christ, sex should be the furthest thing from our minds...but we are a fallen creation, we disobeyed God's Word (as straight people, if you accept the story of Adam and Eve) and fell short of the glory of God. Now, we live in a world where sexual orientation ISN'T some bipolar, binary notion anymore.
The Holy Spirit guides these things, it would be false prophesy to suggest otherwise. To deny homosexual couples (and clergy) their own share of "holiness" is antithetical to a faith-based Christian church: conservative Methodists MUST have faith that God will guide homosexual couples in healing from their "sin" (i.e. their desire for sexual relationships) in the same way that heterosexual couples must be guided to remain as chaste and as celibate as is necessary to reach the Kingdom of Heaven. It's deeply dishonest to suggest that committed homosexual relationships are inherently more sinful than committed heterosexual relationships: we ALL live in sin.
Charolette, NC? Where's that?
😂 Charlotte
Weaponizing scripture is not the way to serve God. The Bible is not infallible. Thousands of manuscripts exist; some have been deliberately altered. Scholars argue as to what the original language meant. As late as 1946, the ancient manuscripts were interpreted in a new way, different from the way they had been. The Bible has changed; church polity has changed. We can keep changing; we can continue the process started in Jerusalem, when Paul and Peter argued about whether Gentiles had to subject themselves to Jewish law (since there was no bible then) in order to be Christians. God had already showed them that their ancient enemies, the Samaritans, could be Christians. God had already showed them that eunuchs--those who had been mutilated and were considered excluded from God's grace--they could be Christians, too. God even showed Peter in a vision that Gentiles could be Christians.
What if God hadn't finished speaking? Who else would God have extended grace to? How can we take a collection of books that was compiled by humans, and interpreted by humans in different ways over the millennia to suit different human needs, and use that to exclude anyone from the church?
I could be wrong. That's part of the joyous risk of being a Christian. Any of us could be wrong. But when I stand before God at the end of my life, I want to be able to say that I earnestly meant to be doing God's will, and that I erred on the side of love. I trust God's grace and forgiveness.
mrs3Quator Amen!
you have perfectly responded. it's not about the law, it's about love. my pentecostal pastor welcomed blacks into our mississippi church in 1960. an incredible witness for me. i stand with you.
Who's being denied grace and welcome? I'm a Methodist, I love you, and you are welcome at our UMC. Just who are you calling out as not offering grace? Now it's possible that you are interested in allowing others to behave in a manner that brings division and disruption by forcing fellow Christians to accept an activist-agitator definition of sin and to even celebrate something they consider sin. Not accusing you, just responding to your tone. Every UMC I know extends welcome to all but deliberate disruption and disorder is a behavior that isn't welcome. So which are you supporting? A Christian seeking to make disciples or an agitator-activist seeking to force others to accept their definition of sin? ruclips.net/video/9SleWi5dV6c/видео.html
mrs3Quator You are deeply misinformed about Christian History and Scripture. In 1946, what was the new interpretation that had never been seen before? While languages have changed, interpretations have done an impeccable job keeping up with them. The New Testament is the singularly most attested to collection in all of history. Among the thousands upon thousands of manuscripts that exist, only a few significant differences exist. Of those few, the vast majority of others attest so strongly against those differences, that it is easy to see the copy. This leaves only a few (I believe 7 is the current count) of passages that have genuine questions around their verbage and origin. The story of Jesus rescuing the woman caught in adultery is the largest one of those differences.
I'm sure you would rightfully exclude the West Boro Baptists shown in the video from your church if they continued in this manner. So all of this talk about "the sin of exclusion" is sound and fury, as Paul, Peter, and Jesus Himself all gave clear instructions on when someone must be removed from the body of the Church. It's right and holy to not be quick to do such a thing, and to even hate that it must be done. But for the sake of the love of your other brothers and sisters, for the love of God, and even for the love of those who have been removed, it sometimes must be done.
LGBTQ people in the UMC have never been excluded from the table of the Lord, from worship, or from serving. Non-chaste people are excluded from the pastorate, but this is true regardless of sexuality. However, divisive people, contentious people, those who will stop at nothing to change Christian traditions recklessly and without the blessing of leadership, such people should not even ranked among the church according to its Founder and Lord. The political movement that appropriates the LGBTQ label had indeed done that.
@@mikewilliams6025 Brilliant! Thank you!
Correcting a person is not hate speech, it's love speech.
Tom Berlin must be an amazing jazz singer, because he can change his tune at the drop of a hat.
My father and grandfather were Methodist (me too!) AND my recently ancestry showed me my Dad came from a long line of (a couple hundred years ( Methodist ministers). They are ALL rolling in their Graves now.
Authenticating sin is NOT obedience to God. Jesus said marriage is one man and one woman. These religionists actually think they are MORE moral than the one who DEFINES morality
God loves all his children but he will hold us all accountable for the life we choose to live. The downfall of the United Methodist church saddens me and to see those who vow to lead others to Christ based on God’s word, but through your interpretation of try and justify your life choices.
The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christianity.
That’s coming from a nazi
So? Does that mean people cant be homosexual. Curb your arrogance you biggoted piece of shit.
That's why I don't believe in denominations!they tend to try and make their own rules,and don't seek God and the bible for answers!!
Maybe the tent is just too big to include everyone, and everybody's ideas. When you go outside of scripture to accomplish this, you have grown too big for your theology.
Preach the truth of scripture. The Lord is righteous. The Lord loves righteous ness.
30:30 and that's why women are not permitted to hold ecclesiastical authority.
And since the UMC caved on that issue, why is it any surprise that they're fighting on this one? See 36:44 for a case in point.
It is interesting to note . . .
1) That "disobedience" is only applied to the denomination and never to God's holy Law.
2) Godly ministers get no musical background and shorter time.
3) God's word on the issue of sexual perversion is never quoted.
The musical background is an interesting observation. Note the use of “social justice” as it relates to political activism and never scriptural call.
II Timothy 3
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
it would be nice to quote Gods opinion rather than play piano music and say "people are hurting ...and need your help ...those people ...need to get their way"
If u r a bible reading christians, what part of the bible verses listed below don't u understand?
Lev.18:22
Lev. 20:13
1 Cor. 6:9
1 Tim. 11:10
um ... leviticus says lying with a male a womanly bed was against Israelite religion and is irrelevant today. 1 cor and 1 tim say that male-bedders were doing something so hurtful that it incompatible with life in God's kingdom. Bible says nothing against loving relationships.
@@MusicalRaichu r u a trans or gay? be honest can u do that? 😁😁😁😁😁
@@gusyao8407 why do you ask? do you really believe people can't read the Bible for themselves and discover the truth? Look up Rom 13.8-10. being gay is not a sin.
@@MusicalRaichu not a word a rom 13 says gay is not a sin, so u can't honestly say if u r a trans or gay, why I ask? just in case u r still redeemable, u have read 'GO AND SIN NO MORE' haven't u? If u continually dwelling in sin, nothing can turn u, u r on ur own, homosexuality is a continual sin. If u r one, I tell u why?
@@gusyao8407 rom 13.9 says "love your neighbour" is enough to satisfy ALL God's commands, not "love your neighbour and no gay secs".
homoxesuality is the capacity for some men to have an intimate relationship with a man instead of a woman and vice versa. It is not a sin. It is not something someone can change at will.
on the other hand, telling people that being gay is a sin has done incredible harm. i've just had a look at several scientific papers on the issue. that means that by telling people that being gay is a sin, you are harming them. it's you who needs to repent.
why do you think being gay is wrong anyway? those bible passages you cited don't say it.
Praised be God for the Methodist Church that really incarnates the heart of Jesus, away from literalism and fundamentalism, that have poisoned the Gospel, and destroy the Church of Christ
Could you be wrong?
99 percent of people don't even have one gay child but this pastor has THREE gay kids...yeah, right
25:31 Yeah... on paper.
God bless! ✝️
Their true colours show in how they acted in the end. Rebellious lovers of sin. He who practices homosexuality and calls it good, is wrong. It has nothing to do with tradition.
Look at all the bigots in this comments section.
Bigots? What does the Bible say, they are putting the desires of the flesh over GODS word
@@michaelmorris4407 what the bible says doesnt fucking matter.
@@thedankatheist3466 do you are have stupid
@Lee Fritz That not an argument
@Lee Fritz got anymore baseless assertions for me?
Each and every human being- all mankind were born into a world where temptation..evil...and SIN exists. We are not perfect...not even close..we all have deep rooted imperfections- each type of TEMPTATION and EACH kind of human desire is not the same for each person...being born with an attraction to same gender people..is a form of brokenness- a very REAL & emotional feeling- but it is a temptation of our human flesh & sinful nature as men & women on the earth. Some people are very tempted to have sexual relations with the opposite gender..prior to marriage..& without consideration of marriage at all. Some people are tempted to do things that are not legal...or hateful...some people cannot control their tongue & use it to spread gossip or to judge. Some people cannot keep from stealing, lying, abusing, murdering, neglecting, being jealous of others...and many other things that are temptations- that when acted upon- cause us to sin. When we accept Jesus...we turn from all of it
9.36 The bible tells us that the union in a marriage is between a women and a man, not two man or two women , this situation can bring you pain , but been objetive is the best decision brother, the day of the Lord what you are going to say to the Lord? ...i did it because i do love to my son Lord?.That is way i leeft the UMC and i went to the GMC.
Why is this one “sin” seen as so much worse than all the others? No one blinks at a heterosexual couple being on their second, third, or fifteenth marriage, yet Jesus directly called that out as adultery. No one hesitated to openly covet material goods, and that’s in the big ten! All of this gnashing about gay marriage sounds like hypocrisy in that light.
Awesome!
The only word is the word of God, God doesn’t change he clearly stated marriage is between Man and Women and God doesn’t lie , repent before it’s to late. God is not a God accommodation, he is true to his word and No,he won’t change.
CECP CECP sure man. Proove god’s word is worth a damn then we will gladly repent. Until then all I hear is a deluted manchild that thinks gay people are yucky.
Conservatives: Stop assuming that 'biblical inerrancy' is/should/must be a component of strong theology. Never has been true, never will be true. Understand that taking moral dictates on pure faith is shaky epistemological ground.
Liberals: Empathize with conservatives who are afraid that endorsing homosexual relationships will open the door to endorsing things like polygamy and pederasty. Use reason, not relativism and emotion, to defend your position or you have no position.
Pedophilia is already being normalized in the lgbtq community it is called being a minor attracted person
The most exciting thing is to disobey Jesus? You dont have the slightest idea about salvation
Disunited Methodists not following the understanding of John wesley of holiness, sacrificing the innocent blood of babies on their alter of bail.
Sure you can be gay and be a Christian. But operating in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, consumed by the 🔥 and still engaging in homosexuality, not a chance. The Holy Spirit is just what His name suggests. Holy.
Not an opinion
His speech at the 54 minute mark cost them the vote.
Jesus said you must be born again
I used to be Methodist...but ya know I don't need them any more than they want me ..but here a Church ..Middle Collegiate Church in NYC ..that follows Christ and takes seriously his admonition to LOVE ONE ANOTHER ..PERIOD!
Middle Church is as diverse as the subway; our worship rocks like a gospel concert and touches you like a Broadway show. No matter who you love, no matter how you look, no matter how you make a living, you are welcome here. Whether you live in Park Slope or Paris, you can share in this movement, in person or online. "Love. Period.” is our guiding ethic. Join our multi-everything community by completing the short form below. Welcome home, beloved; we're glad to have you!
I'm a Methodist, I love you, and you are welcome at our UMC. Just who are you calling out as not wanting you? Now it's possible that you are interested in behaving in a manner that brings division and disruption by forcing fellow Christians to accept an activist-agitator definition of sin and to even celebrate something they consider sin. Not accusing you, just responding to your tone. You are welcome at every UMC I know of but deliberate disruption and disorder is a behavior that isn't. So which are you? A Christian seeking to make disciples or an agitator-activist seeking to force others to accept your definition of sin? ruclips.net/video/9SleWi5dV6c/видео.html
Sounds like you just want to be entertained
Wow!
Glad so many people remember Noah's ark!
This watches like a dystopic comedy.
DONT GO TOO CHURCH THEN YOU WONT HAVE A PROBLEM IT'S THAT SIMPLE
Jesus commanded love one another as I have loved you
You are fighting to disobey Scripture.
I feel so this man. It has to be very hard. However, the Word of God is very clear. Jesus wept over Jerusalem. What it did to His heart. My son died at 29 so I understand pain. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the sin they lived and embraced. God is loving and judge. No matter what we want to believe it isn’t up to us. If Jesus is who He claimed to be He destroyed those cities and we do not change scripture. Celibacy was pictured by the apostle Paul.
this is a joke!!!!!!!!
It's okay to be gay and Christian. Jesus is the cure for your shame.
Homophobia doesn't exist.
@@MrsSmith-js5tt is it a shame to be gay?
Dan Saber What does that have to do with homophobia?
@@MrsSmith-js5tt nothing. it's a different subject. Is it a shame to be gay?
Dan Saber That has nothing to do with homophobia!!!!!
Rob Renfroe, "I don't want to hurt people," yet he's spent his religious career hurting people. He would be a joke were he not doing so much harm.
B. John Masters Hurting people=proclaiming the truth of Christ. Nice logic. Jesus said the gates of hell will never prevail against his church yet he let his church be wrong on homosexuality for 2000 years. Yeah right!
How many people could line up to say that Jesus hurt them too? That's not a good metric of guilt. Meanwhile, you have been malicious to your brother. Please take the plank from your own eye first.
He should be bold just like paul n called a spade a spade evn if it means hurting others feeling but not to surrender n compromise the Bible.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
They are not at all Chrians anymore than Satan is a choir boy. Roman's, Chaper 1:
you conveniently stopped the quote just before it says that anyone making such arguments is equally guilty.
#GayNotQueer #GayNotLGBTQ