Finally Plateau in the DAW !!! This is truly amazing. A big step forward for VCV ! And also from the first testing VCV 2.0 seems much more stable and less resource intensive, which is also a great improvement ! Thanks Omri for sharing all those tips and tricks ;)
What an incredible instrument VCV rack is and now that it can be used as a plugin it's a proper instrument. I love working with my Eurorack and the idea of having that available 'in the box' as well is incredible. My mind is already spinning with ideas on how to implement it as both an instrument and an audio effect. I love the idea of only using VCV rack and Ableton to create something.
Thanks so much for sharing this. I'm brand new to VCV/Modular. Would love more beginner tutorials for using VCV Rack 2 inside of Ableton 11. If you end up doing a course on VCV 2 and Ableton workflow, I will buy it. lol
I found this super useful even though I don't use Ableton - I use Logic Pro X but I was able to figure out the Logic equivalent of all the Ableton stuff. One thing that was not immediately obvious was how to add FX in VCV to a Logic track. The trick was to use the "Side Chain" control that Logic puts on top of the VCV window - pick the audio track where you want the wet signal to go. Just in case anyone else is using Logic, this might save you a few minutes.
Thank You Omri!!!! I wish I had this yesterday, but I had fun figuring things out on my own. I came up with some creative ways to send info in and out of Ableton - some not so clean. I wouldn't have been able to figure things out without all the knowledge I have learned from your videos. You are definitely a true value to the VCV and music production community - again thank you
The countdown animation was the best waiting room entertainment I've ever seen. If you made that Omri, I am even further impressed. Thanks for all the great tutorials so far. You made the investment in an ES9 a no brainer. Watching your videos always makes me think of The Little Prince. Merci.
Now that VCV Rack is avail at as an AU in Logic Pro, I’ve been searching for a good tutorial on how to set up my DAW to make it work. Even though it is a different DAW, the concepts you so skillfully explained here are easily transferred to Logic Pro. I am very excited now to integrate VCV Rack into my sound making sessions. Thank you!
Well, it's 4 am Sunday morning here in Indy, with a snowstorm moving in. I just shut down my studio about 5 hours ago, after a marathon three weeks of watching progress bars during a quarter terabyte PC rebuild. I spent ten months in 2022 getting the box the way I wanted it, then it up and died a horrid death on Christmas Eve eve, the Win 10 install self destructed, and this was the... crown jewel... of my studio. Not the biggest or fastest box, but the one in the right place, and with a chair, to ease the load on my nerve damaged feet that 23577643 live gig loads In, and the same number of Outs, that keep the lights on here, imposed on them in 2022. This box sits in the Live Room. Alongside a 65 inch Sony and a pair of higher end 3 way flown PA tops, plus a single 18"JBL sub, driven by 3200...real... watts of Crown and Crest amps. There's a 22 channel monitor console, an 18 pad V-Drum kit, a Peavey Spectre electric bass guitar rig, two E. Gtr rigs, and an Acoustic Guitar floorboard rig that gets the Martin my brother bought me last Christmas into the PA and computer... ...network. I woke up wanting to go make music, but it's the middle of the night, so I settled for watching Guru Omri run thru the basics of integrating Ableton and Rack, and the simple building blocks so well illustrated here have my mind racing at the fundamental raw power this knowlege puts in my hands. I suspect our mentor runs a fairly powerful machine, and full well understands the capriciousness of modern computing when it comes to marrying a powerful DAW and an equally powerful sim like Rack... all at once. But the real reason this newly rebuild PC is my crown jewel isn't because of the chair, seductive as that may be. It is... location. This box sits in the middle. To the left are the V-Drums, and behind those are my Live Rig, comprised of another PA, a 40 fixture DMX rig, a buncha pad controllers feeding the DNX rig, and 4 more computers. One i7, mostly set up for Livestreaming and three i5 laptops, builds for various live duties, DJ, lights, and naturally, all with full DAW builds too... ...all wired up. On the other side of the wall in front of me sits the Tracking Room. Four main work areas... a tall stack of tube guitar amps thru a Torpedo Reload, a five tier synth stand, ( plus several others in racks), an X-32 with laptop and a third PA system, and two PCs above three hardware racks, with 4 HD monitors. All wired up. Off to my right lives the Control Room. Two more PCs, both i7s. One for video, one for audio, SMPTE synced, with a chromakey backdrop behind the operator's seat. Coupla 25 space racks off to the right, full up, and a 61 key controller on drawer slides under the desk. And the network. 5.7 gHz wireless dish to the net, the WAN switch, and the LAN switch, all GB ethernet, two flat subnets, same IP schema, connectable on a moments notice, but usually running in dual seperate mode. Netboxes, and then the production machines, usually airgapped from the WAN. Not just data. It handles VCN remote desktop traffic too. Control of all 10 PCs from any seat in the house. And rptMIDI, but most of the heavy MIDI traffic runs thru the MIDI backbone, a 56 port Mio-10 with three MidiSport 4x4 satellites and a buncha single ports on audio interfaces. The audio network is the main traffic handler. At its core lives a 30 port ADAT multiplex. 240 channels of 24/48 digital audio, thru a fiber optic mesh connecting all 10 compute nodes. Programmable, 100 recallable presets, a real boon, what with 5.5 trillion possible routing permutations. It took almost 3 years, out of this 12 year build, to wrap my head around this guy. Watching Omri wreak audio havoc out of a single PC, running Ableton and Rack, has my mind racing... thinking about what he and 9 other similar minds could do... ...in a place like this. After a couple more hours sleep. Let the snow fall. "Sorry folks, I'd love to help you out, but I'm drifted in. If you really need me... send a chopper." ;-)
Very clear and informative as usual, thanks a lot! Everything is working out fine for me, except for one thing: I can't get the Expression Control device to receive the aftertouch data from the CV > Midi module. What am I missing?
Hi @OmriCohen-Music, I am a newbie here, and enjoying your videos a lot! Is the way how to setup and start from scratch using VCV Rack in Ableton in one of your courses? I mean, starting to use VCV Rack in Ableton, how to connect tracks, sends, etc, to hear sound. I know it is a very basic question, but struggling to hear sound when trying to use VCV Rack in Ableton. I have VCV Rack Pro. Thank you so much.
@@OmriCohen-Music , I added the CV ADSR BEFACO to my VCV RACK PRO, but when I want to open the plugin in Ableton it is not showing. Can you please guide me on this? Thanks so much.
Thanks :) I guess it depends on what you want to do. I use Reaper and Bitwig, and tried Ableton for a while, but I think that Bitwig works really well with VCV. They are both modular in a way. And Reaper is great for if you just want to record and then mix and such.
Hi Omri, great video (as always!) I'm running Rack as a VST,. I'm having issues though! I can't get the Clocked module to sync solidly from the MIDI/CC module (out of Ableton 11). I'm trying to get the VCV Delay module to clock from it. I've out the Clocked module into P24 mode, and I'm feeding it clock from the MIDI/CC 'Clock' output, but the tempo is fluctuating up and down like crazy! Any ideas? Thanks for the awesome videos!
@@EastoftheJordan Thanks very much for this tip - it was exactly what I needed as well. And, as always, huge thanks to Omri for taking the time to make this video!
You showed the modulation in Bitwig studio using VCV Rack via a midi cc modulator...I wanted to say that Ableton live also has a device from Max for Live that does the same thing))))
Awesome video! Did you ever used an Expert Sleepers module with Vcv rack plug-in version in Ableton? I'm using an Es-8, but he gives me some trouble. Inputs from es-8 doesn't send any signal in vcv plugin version if I use an Audio Device in the vst. Can you help me?
Could anyone comment about latency when recording the VCV2 VST compared to routing audio through the VCV2 free standalone version? I'm currently using Blackhole to record VCV2 to Ableton (macbook Pro) but I'm having annoying latency issues, that aren't fully solved by changing block size settings. I'm hesitant to spend more on software at the moment, but would like to know if the VST version would 100% solve latency problems? I'm making precise phasing rhythms, and sequencing/recording hardware synths and VCV at the same time so I really need them to line up!
Hi Omri, thank's for this great video ! Have you try to play with CV tools (pack) in ableton & VCV fx? :) it's work perfectly . I have think about rooting (with external audio & midi channel ) into a vcv FX after a synth for making FM voice & other great FX.. :) Hope you try & enjoy it !
This was another amazing video! Thank you @Omri. My dream is almost a reality. For a live performance where modulation data is streaming via OSC how can we send the voices out to a Dolby Atmos 9.2.4 system to 8 channels?
@@OmriCohen-Music I'm guessing the path is something like this: OSC > VCV Rack Pro > Ableton Live (with help from Max for Live?) > Dolby Atmos Music Panner > Dolby Atmos 9.2.4 system. But I could be wrong!
Wow, just had a chance to play around, this thing is seriously powerful. Exactly what I was hoping for. ;) I presume the instruo modules aren't working yet, but you seem to have a working version of Chronoblob, is this a pre-release version Omri?
Why do you need an additional clock module to sync Ableton to VCV Rack in addition to the MIDI -> CV module? Is the MIDI -> CV module not accurate, or adequate, for syncing Ableton to VCV Rack?
Hello, thanks for the video, I want to know if all the projects made in standalone mode can be opened in Ableton, if all the modules are in both formats...? Thank you
great video omri, thanks! one thing i didn't really get is what the difference is between the regular vet to the fx one? I mean why can't we use the regular also for fx? I know there's the same thing also in reaktor. Would love you to explain what the difference is.
Thanks! I'm not so sure what's going on under the hood, but I'm sure there's some sort of difference. As you mentioned, Reaktor has this also, and also other software, so I'm sure there's a reason for it. I'm not so sure what it is, though...
@@OmriCohen-Music I see. Ok we will just trust the good people in VCV. I actually got the pro thanks to this video but the VST version is really buggy. It's really many things and it's a bit disappointing because I was looking to explore some of the techniques that you offered. Do you have any idea what this is? I'm using live 11 on a M1 MacBook pro . BTW the standalone version works just fine , the problem is only with the VST
@@ComboGod27 Oh ok, what bugs are you experiencing? When you get the VST, you also get access to professional support from VCV, so don't hesitate to write them and report the issues you have. I hope everything will work out, and let me know if there's anything I can try and help with.
@@OmriCohen-Music Hi man, I spoke to the support team and after sending them my log file they discovered that it has to do with resizing the plugin window when used in ableton. As soon as I resize it, the keyboard doesn't respond when trying to search for modules, I cannot delete modules using the delete button, I cannot zoom in and out using the command + scroll and probably some more bugs. As soon as I close the window and open it again the problem disappears, until I realize the window again. They said that they will try to fix it in the next software update.
With Multi-track recording I you show in the Audio 16 module that the driver is DAW. Is this for Mac of are you using PC? reason is im considering to by the VCV 2 pro version and using Ableton or Logic.. Thanks Omri.
Hey community! I can't find information or tutorials about setting up hardware midi controllers and route them to different parameters in ableton-rackVST. When I used "bridge" in version 1.0 I had quite some troubles with running ableton and VCV at the same time and trying to use hardware midi controllers. Later i tried QJackCtl but never managed to route the midi signal to either Ableton nor VCV. How's it with the VCV as a VST plugin? Is it straight forward to route hardware controllers to parameters in both, ableton and the VCV-plugin? Cheers :-) .......and once again, you're legend Omri!!
@@OmriCohen-Music True, it should work like all the other VSTs. It was just a criteria for me to purchase the VST or not. My goal is to do live acts with electronic-Tango in the style of Bajofondo Tango club etc. Therefore I need to live loop my Bandoneon and voice and turn tracks on and off in Ableton and run some drones, generative patterns, synced drums etc from VCV rack, all controlled mainly by a hardware foot pedal, since with the Bandoneon on my knees I can't really operate any hardware by hands. I thought the setup with Ableton and VCV on two screens at the live act would be the perfect combination for having a good overview and control over all the processes. We'll see how it turns out and if it all make sense. Maybe I realise that I should solve the whole setup with VCV only. It's all about trying it out i guess. Thx for the quick answer Omri! Greetings from Norway!
@@OmriCohen-Music Cheers brother! Honoured that you're interested (without being tooooooo submissive to the modular master ;-)) Your interest kicks my motivation to get at least a "well.....sounds alright dude" from you haha
Hi Omri x) How do you have impromptu clocked in VCV pro 2?? i can´t find a lot of collections in the VCV 2 version such as impromtu and geodesics... Can you help ?? Thanks and keep up with awasome videos
Thank you Omri. Will you be doing something similar with Reaper? I was playing with the VCV 2 VST in Reaper, which was working well. Then I saved my Reaper project and opened it the next day. Reaper crashed and I could no longer open that project without Reaper crashing. So it seems VCV 2 VST still has some bugs.
Well, yeah, I tested it with Reaper and it worked pretty well. I don't think it's the VST, I think that there are some 3rd party modules that are causing issues for now. But yeah, I hope to have a video ready with Reaper soon :)
Hi Omri. Could you please let me know if I can directly process a Vst instrument liek Vital Vst through delay, reverb, granular modules of VCV Rack VST? Or the only way is to aply VCV Rack 2 FX to the mixer and from there to Vst INstrument like Vital vst? What I mean, I want to directly process the vst, and not to record first the audio of the vst , and process it after. Many thanks, God bless :)
If you really want to get creative you can send midi to the FX instance of VCV on the same channel. Group your instrument plugin to a rack the create a new chain and add the external instrument plug in from abelton to route midi to VCV.
Hey Omri, do you use vcv rack vst and send cv/audio in an out of your es-9 or use standalone for this? I am having a hell of a time trying to figure out how to send cv/audio out of es-3/6 vcv vst and cannot get it to work. On pc and ableton. If you know how to i would hire you to show me how step by step its driving me nuts.
@@OmriCohen-Music oh ok thanks. So would it be the same thing as setting things up for multitrack recording like in your video where you set the midi track with vcv rack on it to sends only, then set up audio tracks for whatever i/os you intend to input and output on the es-3/6 by chance?
Thanks very much for the very useful tutorial! One thing I'm having trouble with though right at the start (Basic Sequencing and Syncing) is the gate output from MIDI-CV seems to be always on. So when I followed the same process, Hardly any notes were getting sent through the gate. When I disconnected the gate and just had the pitch information, then all of the notes in my sequence would play, but this could be an issue because there's always a MIDI signal going through. Any ideas of how I can fix this would be great help
Thanks! Try shorting the Midi notes a bit so they will have a short break between one another. Or, if you're using an envelope that has a retrigger input, you can use also the retrigger output of the Midi to CV
@@OmriCohen-Music You are really the best! Was searching and trying for hours... long time Modular and Ableton user but couldn't come up to this... Now going to watch a lot of your super helpful vids, really want to dive into VCR Rack :)
I try to figure out how to use multiple midi channels with Maschine MK3, with unmeld from mindmeld + poly input mixmaster i can map the channels for sound, but midi control works only to one channel. If i load for example 3 different voices in VCV and connect them each with midi-cv to a mixmaster channel , i can only use one midi-CV channel input. If i choose for example channel 2 in midi-cv it does not work with midi channel 2 in Maschine. Maybe it is technically not possible, but why are there than multi midi channels? Any help would be very grateful ! Thank you!
Amazing work , thx so much ♥♥♥ How i s possible ? Ableton + VCV Pro + 4ms Meta Module 1. Hardware Eurorack VCO + FILTER 2. Mix Hardware VCO + FILTER with Meta Module Patch ( Software: Envelope, VCA .....) Goal: Play with VCV the Hardware VCO + Filter -> and Record this in Ableton 😄😄😄
I can't get Plaits or Hora Hi Hat to play 16th notes accurately from a midi clip on Ableton. I'm seding gate from the Midi to CV module to the trigger input of Plaits/Hora. I put the clock/N to 16th notes but it seems VCV rack is only recognising 8th notes? Any idea how to fix it? (I'm a noob in eurorack so might have my connections wrong)
Hi! Bridge is not available since VCV 2 so it will not work, no. But VCV 2 Pro comes with a VST that should work like any other VST, also in Ableton standard.
I tried in the latest beta version of Ableton, but i got only the VCV Rack 2 FX plugin, is this normal? In the normal suite version 11 i see them both. (both VST paths are the same) thanks! Kris.
Well, if you're using the VST, then it all comes through Ableton and will work just like with any other VST. You will have to route things through Ableton.
@@OmriCohen-Music So esentiallly the free version of VCV can't be used for anything then if you can't get audio out from it to your DAW. If this is the case I'm not sure I see the point of the free version.
Hi Omri. Trying to get my head around something here. Is it possible to run both VCV as an instrument and as a insert in the same project? I am trying to use it as a source, but also as a send insert for delay/reverb within ableton. I can seem to get it to work. Thoughts?
Hi! Yeah, you can load multiple instances of VCV VST and use them for different things. If you load the VCV FX VST, you can use it to process sounds. You can load it onto a send track in Ableton and have it as a send effect as well. Have a look at the last segment of the video. It's about using VCV to process sounds.
@@OmriCohen-Music thanks for the reply Omri. For some reason, when I first set it up, I didn't seem to have it working right. New project and I can now have the separate instances all sending and receiving sound! Whoop!
Whenever I used VCV in Ableton the space/play bar randomly stops working and I can't play anything back. It seems to only happen after a while and not at first! Any ideas why this would be?
Hey Omri, I have managed to send notes and gates from Rack to Ableton using CV-to-MIDI module, but I have a problem when sending, say, multiple MIDI notes/gates to separate MIDI channels. Specifically, it seems like Rack VST instance provides only a single MIDI source to be routed into MIDI tracks in Ableton, regardless of how many CV-to-MIDI modules are added in the patch, which I guess it’s why only notes from one channel are received on the MIDI track on Ableton. Do you have any suggestion on how to solve this?
Hi! Yeah, that's an Ableton thing. It will only allow you to output on one Midi channel... If you want multiple Midi channels, you will have to use separate tracks.
@@OmriCohen-Music FYI, I figured it out! I solved by hooking up the CV-to-MIDI module to main Core MIDI driver (on Mac OS), instead of DAW, and then routing to my audio device. I was able to send MIDI out on different channels by duplicating the module and setting them on different channels. In this way you simply communicate with the device through the main OS MIDI driver, rather than through Ableton.
@@OmriCohen-Music the latency seems to be fine, the only issue maybe is that you can’t use the MIDI effects from Ableton, but one can do all sort of wonders in Rack.
Is there a way to do the flip side of the CC mapper trick and say midi map some macros in Ableton to pots in VCV? say so you could group control multiple pots in VCV through Ableton with a physical pot on a controller. I'm pretty sure the answer is no but if anybody would know a hack it's you!
I'm not so sure I understand... You want to have a macro in Ableton to control VCV? I'm pretty sure that's possible to do like with any other VST. Is this what you mean?
hello brother, great video, but I have a question I hope you can help me, I can not connect vcv 2 with ableton as you did, you put it directly to the channel as an insert, but vcv 2 does not appear to me, and it does not allow me to use
Hey Omri, im having some trouble figuring out how to use my ES-9 and the VCV VST (fun to say). I'm trying to use the es9 as a bridge between vcv and my hardware modular like I would do in the standalone vcv1 but now with the new vst inside of ableton. All of ableton's cv tools work as they should but no matter what I do I just can't get vcv to send or receive anything through the es9.. Any ideas?
@@OmriCohen-Music I'm using windows. I have the Es9 running as my interface inside of ableton. When i use vcv standalone I am able to select the es9 inside of the audio interface module like normal, but when i use the vst in ableton all im able to select is "DAW" on any of the interface modules and nothing is sent through the es9.
Hi there. Just wondering if there was a solution to this? I'm contemplating buying vcv soon and would like to be able to send signals from vcv to my modular whilst using it in Ableton. Is it possible. Many thanks
@@jaredmaly5161 Just saw this now. On Windows it's an issue... You will have to route the signals from VCV to Ableton, and then out of Ableton through the ES9
I don’t even look at the title anymore. I see Omri Cohen come up on RUclips and already know the video will help me
That's amazing, thanks :)
Words can’t express how much I’m grateful to you, sir Omri. You’re the best teacher and your patches are pure joy
Thanks so much!
Sold! I was going to stick with the free version but I now need this so much :)
VCV INTEGRATED IN LIVE! My dream has come true... Thanks Omri for showing me the possibilities.
Cheers!
"So here we have something a bit more advanced"
*Is instantly overwhelmed*
👍 Great stuff, Omri! :)
Legitimately found myself getting angry at the idea of sequencing drums with an arpeggiator :D
Finally Plateau in the DAW !!! This is truly amazing. A big step forward for VCV ! And also from the first testing VCV 2.0 seems much more stable and less resource intensive, which is also a great improvement ! Thanks Omri for sharing all those tips and tricks ;)
Cheers!
What an incredible instrument VCV rack is and now that it can be used as a plugin it's a proper instrument. I love working with my Eurorack and the idea of having that available 'in the box' as well is incredible. My mind is already spinning with ideas on how to implement it as both an instrument and an audio effect. I love the idea of only using VCV rack and Ableton to create something.
Thanks so much for sharing this. I'm brand new to VCV/Modular. Would love more beginner tutorials for using VCV Rack 2 inside of Ableton 11. If you end up doing a course on VCV 2 and Ableton workflow, I will buy it. lol
I appreciate it! :)
Good lord what a rabbit hole! This is amazing stuff Omri.
Have fun!
This will be my first vst purchase ever! It worth 99 bucks for sure
I found this super useful even though I don't use Ableton - I use Logic Pro X but I was able to figure out the Logic equivalent of all the Ableton stuff. One thing that was not immediately obvious was how to add FX in VCV to a Logic track. The trick was to use the "Side Chain" control that Logic puts on top of the VCV window - pick the audio track where you want the wet signal to go. Just in case anyone else is using Logic, this might save you a few minutes.
Thanks so much for the tip!
Sold. Definitely buying the vst version
Thank You Omri!!!! I wish I had this yesterday, but I had fun figuring things out on my own. I came up with some creative ways to send info in and out of Ableton - some not so clean. I wouldn't have been able to figure things out without all the knowledge I have learned from your videos. You are definitely a true value to the VCV and music production community - again thank you
I appreciate it!
The countdown animation was the best waiting room entertainment I've ever seen. If you made that Omri, I am even further impressed. Thanks for all the great tutorials so far. You made the investment in an ES9 a no brainer. Watching your videos always makes me think of The Little Prince. Merci.
Oh man, I wish RUclips would let us make our own countdown... Cheers!
The master of vcv 👨🔬
thank you, omri! I love your very well explained inspirational tutorials. vcv rack has opened up a whole new world.
Awesome, thank you!
Now that VCV Rack is avail at as an AU in Logic Pro, I’ve been searching for a good tutorial on how to set up my DAW to make it work. Even though it is a different DAW, the concepts you so skillfully explained here are easily transferred to Logic Pro.
I am very excited now to integrate VCV Rack into my sound making sessions. Thank you!
Glad I could help!
After 5 hours trying to record audio from vcv rack in cubase… I finally find the solution…as always …from the master send master "omri C."
Cheers!
this video is awesome. I followed each lesson and made my own versions, and its helped me learn loads. thank you so much
Glad it helped!
Awesome Omri, you persuaded me to jump back into VCV with v2.
Hey, that's great!
Thank you so much Omri, your channel is more valuable than literal gold. Helped me out a lot setting everything up.
I appreciate it!
This was SO useful. Many thanks and best 2022 wishes!
Glad it was helpful! Cheers!
I returned one of my Christmas presents to buy this and I have no regrets
VCV 2 and Ableton...feels like I opened Pandora's box. Thank you for your wise guidance.
Glad I could help!
NIce, I want to experiment more with sending midi from VCV to other soft synths. This overview gave me some good tips on how to do that, Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
@@OmriCohen-Music I often find your videos helpful. Thank you for all the hard work you do
thanking you, friend! valuable information as always.
Glad it was helpful!
thanks a lot omri , VCV rack 2 change the game with their
plug-in :)
Cheers!
Well, it's 4 am Sunday morning here in Indy, with a snowstorm moving in.
I just shut down my studio about 5 hours ago, after a marathon three weeks of watching progress bars during a quarter terabyte PC rebuild.
I spent ten months in 2022 getting the box the way I wanted it, then it up and died a horrid death on Christmas Eve eve, the Win 10 install self destructed, and this was the... crown jewel... of my studio.
Not the biggest or fastest box, but the one in the right place, and with a chair, to ease the load on my nerve damaged feet that 23577643 live gig loads In, and the same number of Outs, that keep the lights on here, imposed on them in 2022.
This box sits in the Live Room. Alongside a 65 inch Sony and a pair of higher end 3 way flown PA tops, plus a single 18"JBL sub, driven by 3200...real... watts of Crown and Crest amps.
There's a 22 channel monitor console, an 18 pad V-Drum kit, a Peavey Spectre electric bass guitar rig, two E. Gtr rigs, and an Acoustic Guitar floorboard rig that gets the Martin my brother bought me last Christmas into the PA and computer...
...network.
I woke up wanting to go make music, but it's the middle of the night, so I settled for watching Guru Omri run thru the basics of integrating Ableton and Rack, and the simple building blocks so well illustrated here have my mind racing at the fundamental raw power this knowlege puts in my hands.
I suspect our mentor runs a fairly powerful machine, and full well understands the capriciousness of modern computing when it comes to marrying a powerful DAW and an equally powerful sim like Rack... all at once.
But the real reason this newly rebuild PC is my crown jewel isn't because of the chair, seductive as that may be.
It is... location.
This box sits in the middle.
To the left are the V-Drums, and behind those are my Live Rig, comprised of another PA, a 40 fixture DMX rig, a buncha pad controllers feeding the DNX rig, and 4 more computers. One i7, mostly set up for Livestreaming and three i5 laptops, builds for various live duties, DJ, lights, and naturally, all with full DAW builds too...
...all wired up.
On the other side of the wall in front of me sits the Tracking Room. Four main work areas... a tall stack of tube guitar amps thru a Torpedo Reload, a five tier synth stand, ( plus several others in racks), an X-32 with laptop and a third PA system, and two PCs above three hardware racks, with 4 HD monitors.
All wired up.
Off to my right lives the Control Room. Two more PCs, both i7s. One for video, one for audio, SMPTE synced, with a chromakey backdrop behind the operator's seat. Coupla 25 space racks off to the right, full up, and a 61 key controller on drawer slides under the desk.
And the network.
5.7 gHz wireless dish to the net, the WAN switch, and the LAN switch, all GB ethernet, two flat subnets, same IP schema, connectable on a moments notice, but usually running in dual seperate mode. Netboxes, and then the production machines, usually airgapped from the WAN.
Not just data. It handles VCN remote desktop traffic too. Control of all 10 PCs from any seat in the house.
And rptMIDI, but most of the heavy MIDI traffic runs thru the MIDI backbone, a 56 port Mio-10 with three MidiSport 4x4 satellites and a buncha single ports on audio interfaces.
The audio network is the main traffic handler. At its core lives a 30 port ADAT multiplex. 240 channels of 24/48 digital audio, thru a fiber optic mesh connecting all 10 compute nodes. Programmable, 100 recallable presets, a real boon, what with 5.5 trillion possible routing permutations.
It took almost 3 years, out of this 12 year build, to wrap my head around this guy.
Watching Omri wreak audio havoc out of a single PC, running Ableton and Rack, has my mind racing... thinking about what he and 9 other similar minds could do...
...in a place like this.
After a couple more hours sleep.
Let the snow fall.
"Sorry folks, I'd love to help you out, but I'm drifted in. If you really need me... send a chopper."
;-)
Top Content wieder Omri! Ich hoffe da kommt noch ein Bitwig Part
Cheers!
Awesome tutorial. Thank you Omri!
Glad you liked it!
I love your workflow Omri. It’s teaching a lot! Thanks 🙏🏾
Hey, man, thanks so much!
Omri you are such a star!
Cheers!
wow what a wonderful tutorial! well done ormi!
Thanks!
This was really cool! I would appreciate a similar video with Bitwig.
I hope to have one ready soon :)
i hoped, i could avoid buying the vcv pro version, but you are making it really hard for me!
it was too hard in fact!
Great tutorial, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you bro really good video and music!
Glad you liked it!
Very clear and informative as usual, thanks a lot! Everything is working out fine for me, except for one thing: I can't get the Expression Control device to receive the aftertouch data from the CV > Midi module. What am I missing?
Thanks! How do you have things set up?
Hi @OmriCohen-Music, I am a newbie here, and enjoying your videos a lot! Is the way how to setup and start from scratch using VCV Rack in Ableton in one of your courses? I mean, starting to use VCV Rack in Ableton, how to connect tracks, sends, etc, to hear sound. I know it is a very basic question, but struggling to hear sound when trying to use VCV Rack in Ableton. I have VCV Rack Pro. Thank you so much.
Hi! I don't have a specific course for that, but I think I show it all in the video. Is there something missing there?
Thank you Omri, I was able to follow each step/details. Your guidance has a great tempo for beginners.
@@OmriCohen-Music , I added the CV ADSR BEFACO to my VCV RACK PRO, but when I want to open the plugin in Ableton it is not showing. Can you please guide me on this? Thanks so much.
This is all amazing! Thank you so much man ❤
Cheers!
Great tut Omri. Question: i have trouble finding Chronoblog in vcv 2.0. Can you explain?
Cheers! I think it was not updated still. I'm using the beta so that's why I have it :)
thanx Omri!
Cheers!
This is awesome!
Thanks for all the great "VCV Rack 2 Pro" in a DAW videos! Out of all the DAWs, which one you think is best as a complement to VCV Rack 2 Pro?
Thanks :) I guess it depends on what you want to do. I use Reaper and Bitwig, and tried Ableton for a while, but I think that Bitwig works really well with VCV. They are both modular in a way. And Reaper is great for if you just want to record and then mix and such.
Thank you so much for this !.
Cheers!
Thanks Omri for the tutorial, much appreciated! Will my old paid VCV modules work on Rack-2?
Cheers! And yes, everything should work the same :)
Hi Omri, great video (as always!)
I'm running Rack as a VST,. I'm having issues though! I can't get the Clocked module to sync solidly from the MIDI/CC module (out of Ableton 11). I'm trying to get the VCV Delay module to clock from it. I've out the Clocked module into P24 mode, and I'm feeding it clock from the MIDI/CC 'Clock' output, but the tempo is fluctuating up and down like crazy! Any ideas?
Thanks for the awesome videos!
Thanks! Can you send me the patch? I will have a look. You can send it here omri.musicohen(at)gmail.com
Same here! Very basic patch, just Clk (MIDI>CV Module) -> BPM(Clkd Module), CLK1 -> Trummor Gate. BPM seems to glitch from 120bpm to 300bpm
Hang on, I had to set CLKD 'Mode' to P24. Works for me now!
@@EastoftheJordan Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for!
@@EastoftheJordan Thanks very much for this tip - it was exactly what I needed as well. And, as always, huge thanks to Omri for taking the time to make this video!
Thanks a lot, great video!
Glad it helped!
You showed the modulation in Bitwig studio using VCV Rack via a midi cc modulator...I wanted to say that Ableton live also has a device from Max for Live that does the same thing))))
I did not see that the above has already given the same answer)))
Thank you, very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video! Did you ever used an Expert Sleepers module with Vcv rack plug-in version in Ableton? I'm using an Es-8, but he gives me some trouble. Inputs from es-8 doesn't send any signal in vcv plugin version if I use an Audio Device in the vst. Can you help me?
Hi! I think that the best way would be to send the audio to Ableton first, and then into VCV with the DAW settings on the Audio module.
Wonderfull, I have two question, what kind of computer you use, and this combination will work well on the new M1 mac.
Thanks! I have the full specs in the description. I'm on Windows though so I'm not so sure about M1...
Could anyone comment about latency when recording the VCV2 VST compared to routing audio through the VCV2 free standalone version? I'm currently using Blackhole to record VCV2 to Ableton (macbook Pro) but I'm having annoying latency issues, that aren't fully solved by changing block size settings. I'm hesitant to spend more on software at the moment, but would like to know if the VST version would 100% solve latency problems? I'm making precise phasing rhythms, and sequencing/recording hardware synths and VCV at the same time so I really need them to line up!
Thanks!
Thanks so much!
love it!
Hi Omri, thank's for this great video ! Have you try to play with CV tools (pack) in ableton & VCV fx? :) it's work perfectly . I have think about rooting (with external audio & midi channel ) into a vcv FX after a synth for making FM voice & other great FX.. :) Hope you try & enjoy it !
Hey, thanks! I still didn't get the chance to try it out. I'll see if I can do this soon :)
This was another amazing video! Thank you @Omri. My dream is almost a reality. For a live performance where modulation data is streaming via OSC how can we send the voices out to a Dolby Atmos 9.2.4 system to 8 channels?
Cheers! Do you mean from Ableton? I don't have any experiance with Dolby Atmos...
@@OmriCohen-Music I'm guessing the path is something like this: OSC > VCV Rack Pro > Ableton Live (with help from Max for Live?) > Dolby Atmos Music Panner > Dolby Atmos 9.2.4 system. But I could be wrong!
Hi, Omri....great video...even beneficial to a Reason user! BTW, where did you find Chronoblob for Rack 2?
Thanks! I still used the beta in this video, that's why I had it. But I'm sure it will be updated soon enough :)
Wow, just had a chance to play around, this thing is seriously powerful. Exactly what I was hoping for. ;)
I presume the instruo modules aren't working yet, but you seem to have a working version of Chronoblob, is this a pre-release version Omri?
No, I'm still using the beta version so that's why I have it :)
@@OmriCohen-Music Nice, at least it's coming ;)
thank you for this Omri =)
Cheers!
Thank you!
Cheers!
Why do you need an additional clock module to sync Ableton to VCV Rack in addition to the MIDI -> CV module? Is the MIDI -> CV module not accurate, or adequate, for syncing Ableton to VCV Rack?
It just gives you more options when it comes to divisions and multiplication
Maybe next year. This black friday was expensive enough for me :)
Hey Omri! nice video helps me a lot :) ... How can I send Multi midi channels to vcv rack? Is it possible?
Greeetz
Hi! You will have to set the Midi channel in Ableton, and then select it on the Midi modules in VCV.
Hello, thanks for the video, I want to know if all the projects made in standalone mode can be opened in Ableton, if all the modules are in both formats...? Thank you
Hi, yes, you can open standalone patches in Ableton as well.
@@OmriCohen-Music Great!! Thanks!!
Thanks!!
Cheers!
great video omri, thanks! one thing i didn't really get is what the difference is between the regular vet to the fx one? I mean why can't we use the regular also for fx? I know there's the same thing also in reaktor. Would love you to explain what the difference is.
Thanks! I'm not so sure what's going on under the hood, but I'm sure there's some sort of difference. As you mentioned, Reaktor has this also, and also other software, so I'm sure there's a reason for it. I'm not so sure what it is, though...
@@OmriCohen-Music I see. Ok we will just trust the good people in VCV.
I actually got the pro thanks to this video but the VST version is really buggy. It's really many things and it's a bit disappointing because I was looking to explore some of the techniques that you offered. Do you have any idea what this is? I'm using live 11 on a M1 MacBook pro . BTW the standalone version works just fine , the problem is only with the VST
@@ComboGod27 Oh ok, what bugs are you experiencing? When you get the VST, you also get access to professional support from VCV, so don't hesitate to write them and report the issues you have. I hope everything will work out, and let me know if there's anything I can try and help with.
@@OmriCohen-Music Hi man,
I spoke to the support team and after sending them my log file they discovered that it has to do with resizing the plugin window when used in ableton. As soon as I resize it, the keyboard doesn't respond when trying to search for modules, I cannot delete modules using the delete button, I cannot zoom in and out using the command + scroll and probably some more bugs. As soon as I close the window and open it again the problem disappears, until I realize the window again. They said that they will try to fix it in the next software update.
With Multi-track recording I you show in the Audio 16 module that the driver is DAW. Is this for Mac of are you using PC? reason is im considering to by the VCV 2 pro version and using Ableton or Logic.. Thanks Omri.
Hi, yeah, I'm on PC but I believe it works the same for mac
Hey community! I can't find information or tutorials about setting up hardware midi controllers and route them to different parameters in ableton-rackVST. When I used "bridge" in version 1.0 I had quite some troubles with running ableton and VCV at the same time and trying to use hardware midi controllers. Later i tried QJackCtl but never managed to route the midi signal to either Ableton nor VCV. How's it with the VCV as a VST plugin? Is it straight forward to route hardware controllers to parameters in both, ableton and the VCV-plugin? Cheers :-) .......and once again, you're legend Omri!!
Thanks! Can you control other VSTs with Midi? It should be the same process I guess.
@@OmriCohen-Music True, it should work like all the other VSTs. It was just a criteria for me to purchase the VST or not. My goal is to do live acts with electronic-Tango in the style of Bajofondo Tango club etc. Therefore I need to live loop my Bandoneon and voice and turn tracks on and off in Ableton and run some drones, generative patterns, synced drums etc from VCV rack, all controlled mainly by a hardware foot pedal, since with the Bandoneon on my knees I can't really operate any hardware by hands. I thought the setup with Ableton and VCV on two screens at the live act would be the perfect combination for having a good overview and control over all the processes. We'll see how it turns out and if it all make sense. Maybe I realise that I should solve the whole setup with VCV only. It's all about trying it out i guess. Thx for the quick answer Omri! Greetings from Norway!
@@bernibockenheim Oh wow, that sounds like lots of fun! If you have something recorded, I would love to take a listen :)
@@OmriCohen-Music Cheers brother! Honoured that you're interested (without being tooooooo submissive to the modular master ;-)) Your interest kicks my motivation to get at least a "well.....sounds alright dude" from you haha
Awesome thanks!
Cheers!
Hi Omri x)
How do you have impromptu clocked in VCV pro 2?? i can´t find a lot of collections in the VCV 2 version such as impromtu and geodesics...
Can you help ??
Thanks and keep up with awasome videos
Hi! They are all in the VCV library, so they should be available...
library.vcvrack.com/ImpromptuModular
library.vcvrack.com/Geodesics
@@OmriCohen-MusicThank you for replying x)
They are all showing up now !! Had to update vcv rack 2
Wow so you can record the manual automation on the modular in vcv? So many modulation options I feel dizzy!
Yeah, there's so much to explore...
Thank you Omri. Will you be doing something similar with Reaper? I was playing with the VCV 2 VST in Reaper, which was working well. Then I saved my Reaper project and opened it the next day. Reaper crashed and I could no longer open that project without Reaper crashing. So it seems VCV 2 VST still has some bugs.
Well, yeah, I tested it with Reaper and it worked pretty well. I don't think it's the VST, I think that there are some 3rd party modules that are causing issues for now. But yeah, I hope to have a video ready with Reaper soon :)
Hi Omri. Could you please let me know if I can directly process a Vst instrument liek Vital Vst through delay, reverb, granular modules of VCV Rack VST? Or the only way is to aply VCV Rack 2 FX to the mixer and from there to Vst INstrument like Vital vst? What I mean, I want to directly process the vst, and not to record first the audio of the vst , and process it after. Many thanks, God bless :)
Hi! Well, yes, you can add the VCV FX after Vital, for example, just like any other FX in Ableton. You don't have to record audio first :)
@@OmriCohen-Music Amazing. Just amazing. Thanks Omri :)
If you really want to get creative you can send midi to the FX instance of VCV on the same channel. Group your instrument plugin to a rack the create a new chain and add the external instrument plug in from abelton to route midi to VCV.
Thank You! 👏🎶💕
Cheers!
Have you ever used VCV as a surround panner for Ableton audio?
not really, no...
Hey Omri, do you use vcv rack vst and send cv/audio in an out of your es-9 or use standalone for this? I am having a hell of a time trying to figure out how to send cv/audio out of es-3/6 vcv vst and cannot get it to work. On pc and ableton. If you know how to i would hire you to show me how step by step its driving me nuts.
Hi! I guess that the best thing is to route the CV out of VCV to a track in Ableton, and from there to the ES3.
@@OmriCohen-Music oh ok thanks. So would it be the same thing as setting things up for multitrack recording like in your video where you set the midi track with vcv rack on it to sends only, then set up audio tracks for whatever i/os you intend to input and output on the es-3/6 by chance?
Great video as usual! For some reason i cant get unquantized notes out of vcv using the CV TO MIDI. it automatically quantizes it. Is there a way?
Thanks! How do you have things set up?
Does Ableton save the patches off multiple vcvrackvst midi channels in the Ableton project???
P24 in clocked to get perfect sync!
OMG! Thank you for this! It was driving me a little crazy!
@@NickSomeSoul Glad to know it was helpful :) enjoy!
Thanks very much for the very useful tutorial!
One thing I'm having trouble with though right at the start (Basic Sequencing and Syncing) is the gate output from MIDI-CV seems to be always on. So when I followed the same process, Hardly any notes were getting sent through the gate.
When I disconnected the gate and just had the pitch information, then all of the notes in my sequence would play, but this could be an issue because there's always a MIDI signal going through.
Any ideas of how I can fix this would be great help
Thanks! Try shorting the Midi notes a bit so they will have a short break between one another. Or, if you're using an envelope that has a retrigger input, you can use also the retrigger output of the Midi to CV
@@OmriCohen-Music You are really the best! Was searching and trying for hours... long time Modular and Ableton user but couldn't come up to this... Now going to watch a lot of your super helpful vids, really want to dive into VCR Rack :)
Cheers!
I try to figure out how to use multiple midi channels with Maschine MK3, with unmeld from mindmeld + poly input mixmaster i can map the channels for sound, but midi control works only to one channel. If i load for example 3 different voices in VCV and connect them each with midi-cv to a mixmaster channel , i can only use one midi-CV channel input. If i choose for example channel 2 in midi-cv it does not work with midi channel 2 in Maschine. Maybe it is technically not possible, but why are there than multi midi channels? Any help would be very grateful ! Thank you!
I'm not so sure about this setup but did you try the Midi-CC module? Will this work for you?
Amazing work , thx so much ♥♥♥
How i s possible ? Ableton + VCV Pro + 4ms Meta Module
1. Hardware Eurorack VCO + FILTER
2. Mix Hardware VCO + FILTER with Meta Module Patch ( Software: Envelope, VCA .....)
Goal: Play with VCV the Hardware VCO + Filter -> and Record this in Ableton
😄😄😄
I can't get Plaits or Hora Hi Hat to play 16th notes accurately from a midi clip on Ableton. I'm seding gate from the Midi to CV module to the trigger input of Plaits/Hora. I put the clock/N to 16th notes but it seems VCV rack is only recognising 8th notes?
Any idea how to fix it? (I'm a noob in eurorack so might have my connections wrong)
Hi! Well, try making the notes shorter. There's a chance Plaits is not being retriggered
If I purchase VCV Pro will the bridge function work in Ableton Live 11 Standard edition ? Sorry if this has already been addressed. Thanks
Hi! Bridge is not available since VCV 2 so it will not work, no. But VCV 2 Pro comes with a VST that should work like any other VST, also in Ableton standard.
Thank you!
I tried in the latest beta version of Ableton, but i got only the VCV Rack 2 FX plugin, is this normal? In the normal suite version 11 i see them both. (both VST paths are the same) thanks! Kris.
That's weird... I'm not so sure why this is happening
Have you tried using the es9 in the vst? Curious how that would work if at all.
Well, if you're using the VST, then it all comes through Ableton and will work just like with any other VST. You will have to route things through Ableton.
What features do you recommend on the computer so that vcv works well within a daw?
I'm really clueless when it comes to computers...
Apart from the paid VCV rack, how do you get audio from vcv rack 2 to my DAW? There used to be some sort of bridge?
Well, you can use some sort of a virtual audio cable I guess.
@@OmriCohen-Music So esentiallly the free version of VCV can't be used for anything then if you can't get audio out from it to your DAW. If this is the case I'm not sure I see the point of the free version.
omg is Chronoblob ported to Rack 2? I really only need that and the Instruo modules (which aren't here yet :/)
I'm still using the beta so that's why I have it :)
Hi Omri. Trying to get my head around something here.
Is it possible to run both VCV as an instrument and as a insert in the same project? I am trying to use it as a source, but also as a send insert for delay/reverb within ableton. I can seem to get it to work. Thoughts?
Hi! Yeah, you can load multiple instances of VCV VST and use them for different things. If you load the VCV FX VST, you can use it to process sounds. You can load it onto a send track in Ableton and have it as a send effect as well. Have a look at the last segment of the video. It's about using VCV to process sounds.
@@OmriCohen-Music thanks for the reply Omri. For some reason, when I first set it up, I didn't seem to have it working right. New project and I can now have the separate instances all sending and receiving sound! Whoop!
@@blokenz I'm happy it works for you :)
Whenever I used VCV in Ableton the space/play bar randomly stops working and I can't play anything back. It seems to only happen after a while and not at first! Any ideas why this would be?
took me a while to figure out that the midi > cv won't work right if you're sequencer notes are legato!
Sweet!
Cheers!
Hey Omri, I have managed to send notes and gates from Rack to Ableton using CV-to-MIDI module, but I have a problem when sending, say, multiple MIDI notes/gates to separate MIDI channels. Specifically, it seems like Rack VST instance provides only a single MIDI source to be routed into MIDI tracks in Ableton, regardless of how many CV-to-MIDI modules are added in the patch, which I guess it’s why only notes from one channel are received on the MIDI track on Ableton. Do you have any suggestion on how to solve this?
Hi! Yeah, that's an Ableton thing. It will only allow you to output on one Midi channel... If you want multiple Midi channels, you will have to use separate tracks.
@@OmriCohen-Music FYI, I figured it out! I solved by hooking up the CV-to-MIDI module to main Core MIDI driver (on Mac OS), instead of DAW, and then routing to my audio device. I was able to send MIDI out on different channels by duplicating the module and setting them on different channels. In this way you simply communicate with the device through the main OS MIDI driver, rather than through Ableton.
@@maurobelgiovine6413 Oh ok, that's interesting. How is the latency and such?
@@OmriCohen-Music the latency seems to be fine, the only issue maybe is that you can’t use the MIDI effects from Ableton, but one can do all sort of wonders in Rack.
How can you still have the stoermelder modules? Since VCV 2 i havent been able to find them again!
They're not available in the library, but you can get them here - github.com/stoermelder/vcvrack-packone/releases/tag/Nightly
Is there a way to do the flip side of the CC mapper trick and say midi map some macros in Ableton to pots in VCV? say so you could group control multiple pots in VCV through Ableton with a physical pot on a controller.
I'm pretty sure the answer is no but if anybody would know a hack it's you!
I'm not so sure I understand... You want to have a macro in Ableton to control VCV? I'm pretty sure that's possible to do like with any other VST. Is this what you mean?
hello brother, great video, but I have a question I hope you can help me, I can not connect vcv 2 with ableton as you did, you put it directly to the channel as an insert, but vcv 2 does not appear to me, and it does not allow me to use
Hi! A few people reported the same thing but I'm not so sure what can be the issue. I think it's best to write to VCV for support.
Hey Omri, im having some trouble figuring out how to use my ES-9 and the VCV VST (fun to say). I'm trying to use the es9 as a bridge between vcv and my hardware modular like I would do in the standalone vcv1 but now with the new vst inside of ableton. All of ableton's cv tools work as they should but no matter what I do I just can't get vcv to send or receive anything through the es9.. Any ideas?
Hi! How do you have it set up? Are you on Windows or Mac?
@@OmriCohen-Music I'm using windows. I have the Es9 running as my interface inside of ableton. When i use vcv standalone I am able to select the es9 inside of the audio interface module like normal, but when i use the vst in ableton all im able to select is "DAW" on any of the interface modules and nothing is sent through the es9.
Hi there. Just wondering if there was a solution to this? I'm contemplating buying vcv soon and would like to be able to send signals from vcv to my modular whilst using it in Ableton. Is it possible. Many thanks
@@jaredmaly5161 Just saw this now. On Windows it's an issue... You will have to route the signals from VCV to Ableton, and then out of Ableton through the ES9
@@OmriCohen-Music so I still have to use bridge? The whole reason I shelled out for pro was to stop using brdge...
if I want to use vcv rack 2 in ableton vst I just need to buy vcv pro? or buy Host in the library 30$? this is the same?
Host is used to run a VST plugin inside Rack.
To use VCV as a VST plugin, use Rack 2 Pro.
@@ewanstefani thank you!