X9/HD50F Issues & Frustration 🤷♂️
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- So we have found some weak spots on the new HD50F John Deere Header! Haha I don't know what's more frustrating the fact that my dealer (17 locations doesn't have a single bolt, or that the bolts are too small to begin with. 🤷♂️😆
Oh, and the seat thing is getting worse and it's a real problem!...
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“As long as no more than 3 component fail,you should be fine!” It sounds like the engineer who designed yer header must be a relative to the guy who designed the bulkheads on the Titanic.
🤣😁🤣
Most definitely 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Seat sensor is a problem in all new Deeres. We had deere delete the sensor from 4 machines now
You should delete the Deere. That seems to be the fix
Use an extension and a decent swivel to get into that bolt directly, it looks like there is access. Always easier to extend out if possible. Cheers,ed
Mike you are the best👍. Can’t wait to see New Fendt Gen 7 728 on your Farm.
For the seat switch tried to know what are the resistances of in seat and out of the seat. And put that resistance on a switch to recreate operator presence. Did that on red combine and work like a charm.
A few comments up someone said it's a 120k ohm resistor. I hope they're right.
Do you sense me yet!! Do you!! Lol! I can't imagine the frustration of having a mega$$$ machine and not having parts readily available. Not like the old days, clip the wire and tie it together. Happy harvest Mike.
Mike, your not alone with the seat, it looks quite similar to all the new 8R tractors, our dealer tells us every tractor out there has this issue, apparently there designing a new seat cushion, been waiting for 2 years
Love the ending. That’s been my day. I have machines down everywhere waiting for back orders.
Mike I do feel ya about the sensor and stuff. My volvo was once having an issue of same kind (not stopping it but giving me warning constantly). Well, what farmer did: soldered a hard loop on the cable so i am sitting in my volvo 24/7 😁
That is obviously the way to go. This works great on lawn-mowers aswell.
I went to the autowreckers, and got the seatbelt thingy, and wire out of a 2006 Chrysler 300. I cut the cord about four inches from the plug then stripped, & twisted the 2 wires together, heat shrinked them, and plugged it into the wiring harness under my seat. My car now thinks the exact same thing your does. Problem solved.
@@edwardschwenk3100 That would be the first thing I would think of 🤓😂
Won't work in this Situation. They usually need a certain resistance in the switch.
My dad worked for a guy that had a Gleaner N6 when they came out. The dealership mechanic would machine new bigger shafts that kept breaking. Those pins could be machined out for bigger bolts and fix the problem. Don't need to wait on Deere to update.
Mike just take the ratchet strap off the cutter bar and put around your seat to hold down the sensor. Might look dumb but it if it works. 🤣🤣
On your $1m combine!!
There's an update I believe to work around it. Probably changed it because of people putting steering wheel on the seat lol
This has to be more irritating than the new raven screen op the new Patriot sprayers, and trust me those suck flannel
@@JGDT5559 how many times you gonna say that?
I like how you think I’ve gotta job for you if you live in Nebraska
I love how you have multiple videos on a certain type of equipment you buy it’s very educational
Haha nice ending!!😂 If Deere had good service they would take a seat out of a combine on a lot and put it in for you the same day.
My guess is, there are no extra combines sitting on the factory parkinglot, unless they are missing some parts...
We don't even have used combines on the lot here. NONE. New combine are sold before they are made, we don't get any spares at all.
I've always disconnected seat sensors, of course I realise they are supposed to be a safety feature, but more often than not they hinder progress & equipment always seems to work better without them, so disable away is what I say!😃🇬🇧
We always did this to oil chains while the machine was running
The combine will recognize the seat is unplugged and it will throw a code and for sure not work.
Sounds like a solid plan but Deere is way ahead of you. They planned for this situation and have decided to kill your tractor anyway
Props to Mike for working in what I believe is a Looney Tunes reference at approximately 2:30. “Breaking bolts from here to Albuquerque.” A possible take on Bugs Bunny famously stating, “ I knew I should’ve taken a left at Albuquerque.”
When you made that alarm/sensor sound, i really laughed, LOL. Just love listening to you chat about farm equipment.
Yup demoed the x series last year and the seat sensor dropped out multiple times on a couple of runs. Our s790 has no problems.
The dealerships in our area are the same way, they have like 6 or 7 dealerships but never have parts even common parts, it's getting to the point some are changing brands just for parts avabilities !
unfortionally every brand has this isuue these days
And it's just a bolt, not like a specific part. Ok, it's a bit odd, but it's a common item that breakes by the looks of it.
@@bzs187 true, I'm a GSE supervisor but still do repairs as well. The most common items are back ordered these days. Parts that u expected to be back ordered are ready availlable. well, in the "past" when there was a lead time of a week, that was long. Now i'm happy if we can get it within 2 months.
@@jakehohoho7534 Sadly this will be the norm in the future, for some time I guess. Sucks, but what can we do? Order combine in parts, or a tractor or any tool we use?
@@bzs187 probably that second combine will not be finisched when u get it :-). But u are right, this will be the norm for a very long time. Keep the old combines and tractors alive to work with it and the new one ? well a very expensive en big paper press . The only benefit i would see is, that certain products will be fabricated again "inhouse" or domestic.
The seat sensor is a known issue on all the new Deeres, tractors and all. Probably the reason for the long back order. Hopefully for the bolts they’ll come out with an update with stronger or bigger bolts.
From Ireland. i do not Farm but I grew up in a Farming Area. That is an absolute joke hundreds of thousands for a combine and those little bolts are supposed to support that weight??? Joke!! Love your vids!
The seat sensor is a prime example of “ why do we need to reinvent the wheel” and make things more complicated
That’s the recent John Deere approach to everything. Make something simple so complicated that it won’t work, then we can charge the customer to fix it.
John Deere used to be a good company. Now it’s all about making the quarter end statements look good.
@@lnpipeline3306 Deere felt compelled to create a seat that ensured operator presence. This was after a flood of videos showing farmers drinking beer in the ditch while watching their tractors work the field without them
@@johnsanders2798 lucky my kubota dealer gets case combine parts in no his dealer in no time because thats sure isnt too good have back orders on parts when have to need them as soon possible thats not good for deere company lol that kinda sucks
Yeah, those seat switches started showing up on our forklifts 10 years ago. So many safety this and lockout that makes diagnosing a problem. $2,000 to $6,000 software doesn't help either plus the annual license fee. This is why techs are leaving the trade. Hats off to the ones who stick with it.
BMW seat
Usually seat sensors are a simple open to lose circuit when sitting you should be able to bypass by unlugging the seat and put a jumper wire between the terminals ive never ran equipment as new as the x9 but so far all mine have worked that way
The new Deere seats have 3 seat sensors and provide resistance to the circuit the only way to fool it is to unplug the harness and plug in a 120k ohm resistor
@@barhorst1577 good to know thank you
Thanks for posting this.
You know, next they’ll have an in Cab camera that requires movement to be seen, else it will also shut it down. 🙄
Will it not void the warranty tho
Infairness at least between the bolts breaking and a faulty seat sensor it’s still a hell of a lot nicer than unplugging the back a combines a couple a times a day..
Ain't enough crop going in the combine to plug it
I would bypass the seat sensor just like people do on their lawn mowers for the same reason. And if I were you I would paint the ratchet strap green so it looks oem then it would be worth at least $300.😁
I’ve worked with Case as an AFS Technician for several years and have always been a mechanic. Yes sure just disconnect or wire around the seat switch sounds easy and normally is especially on older equipment and lawn mowers and such but the newer machines and heavy equipment have started using resistor switches and the controllers have to see a certain resistance before registering seat presence. So it’s a bit more tricky to rig up but not impossible, have actually helped to do two writhing the last 4 to 6 months however on Case Magnum tractors, so can’t help with what resistance you need but I’m sure if you could find someone knowledgeable enough at your local dealer they could wire around the seat presence switch to get you by until one could be ordered.
thats like some construction companys here by pass by dis connecting seat sensor and there back up beeper too
@@michaelmactavish4445 Yep... pet hate - backup beepers. There are so many sounding off they are now meaning less.
On our small Farm, the seat sensor is the first thing that gets bypassed on every machine… They cause nothing but trouble.
Mike, I'm glad you ordered extra bolts.
He should also order an extra seat :)
Bore bigger holes, throw in bigger high quality bolts... if you plan on keeping it that is.... ive had to customize many things on our deere equipment myself
We see this problem with stocking the bolts all the time. A brand new model comes out with different parts that have never been used before, so we don't have any previous sales history. If you don't know what you need, its kind of hard to stock them on the shelves. With the 9000 series combines we have over 20 years of history and we know what has broken before, so we probably have a bunch in stock.
Early adopters of new models are going to be the guinea pigs for us the learn from. Never mind the supply chain issues.
I have literally had the parts manager say to me "We have never sold that part before", To which I say "You better get a 100 of them on the way because you will"
Deere does a piss poor way of preparing dealers for new equipment parts other than filters.
Great video Mike good luck combining your 2022 crops
Hey Mike - hope you get them all sorted properly.
1. Surely the dealer should be fixing these broken bolts under warranty?
2. It would be easier if you lowered the headder onto something like an old oil drum or the back of your truck to lift the part up so its easier to tighten the bolt through its other part before putting the lock nut on. Hope this makes sense.
Yeah the bolts would be under warranty, but they are an odd ball size that we don't stock.
it's amazing that you can't put in lock up pins for when it's not being used as a flex, fix the seat find the wires and put in a scotch lock on the pair of wires to the sensor 👍
That was very nice of John Deere to at least give you access windows to get to the bolts that were designed to break. If it were Nissan, they would have found some way to run the exhaust exactly in the way and if it were BMW, there would be 6 tierod ends for each section and 3/4 mile wiring run through every part and if it was Ford, it would be siezed solid already.
This guy works on cars for sure.
And if it were GM it wouldn't break in the first place?
The quality you’d expect from a 200k header lol
Man, I'm so glad I don't own an uber expensive combin that seems to be poorly designed. Enjoy your channel 👍
We had the same seat issue with the new 8r's. Dealer had to come jumper the sensor out because it would go into park in the middle of the road or at a red light.
Would suggest getting some Nylock nuts for the cutter bar bolts. The crush washers will work for now but I have never had a Nylock back out
There's no way I'd put the same crappy bolts back in. Time to go high tensile and then find out where the second weakest part is. Love your vids mate.
Not if you understood how JD’s warranty works.
As long as there are threads between the pivots, the bolts are going to break. Drill new blocks, install 3/8" grade 8 bolts with sleeve and adj. nut outside pivot points. You'll have a next time!
High tensile will probably still fail because the problem is the round bar under the hex head only contacts the head in two spots creating stress points.
That was a great ending Mike!
I find it funny when a machine makes it into the customer's field with a design flow like that. Did Deere not test this header ?
Drill and tap the threaded block out to 3/8" and put larger diameter grade 8 bolts in. Also I hope the header safety support is down while you are under the header. I saw a header hydraulic hose blow one time and the header dropped like a rock on the concrete floor cracking the concrete.
Yep, that's exactly what I was going to say.
Missing the point. It’s a brand new header. He shouldn’t have to drill and tap anything… Deere should be out there taking care of the issue.
@@mikeznel6048 Would be nice but sometimes you have to fix things on your own because manufacturers or dealers wont step up. What good does it do if the dealer fixes it with factory parts and its broke again the next day.
those bolts are a designed failure point if you ever lawndart your header into a hill. You can either wait for John deere to issue a pip or increase the class of bolt you are using. In the winter, send the front pins to a machine shop and have a flat milled into the pin so the head of your bolt actually sits on a flat surface. the flat surface will decrease your failure rate dramatically.
I’d do that and have them drilled out to use a bigger bolt. I get they are the weak point
why? the cutter bar is gonna be the least of your worries if you lawndart your header.
Going with a higher grade of bolt was my first thought as well.
@@phalanx3803 that’s why it’s the weak point. Let the cutter bar go before it gets worse
Good point about needing a larger flat than the one they have. Clearly a flaw that it's breaking at the head rather than the threads. Really don't get the lawn dart thing though. If running flex the cutter will be sliding on the ground. This way with rigid, hit a bump and part of the cutter suddenly drops to the ground. Or into it. Fold the cutter back under the frame and it's going the destroy the frame by mangling all the pivot brackets.
Take those clips off, pull out the two anchor points and drill and thread them for a bigger bolt. Maybe a m10 or larger. A nice extension with swivel socket would be your friend.
I just thought of something.🤣 If Mike had kept the Fendt's. The straw choppers would have plugged solid long before those hoppers would have got full, and he would have been able to unload the hoppers.😂 🤣
Mike the one with the seized lock nut , remove the bolt though the tube then you can work on it easier on back of pick up ,
I feel your pain Mike. Love from Holland
OMG Mike. You had my wife and I rolling. Do you sense me. Hilarious 😂 😃 😄
I’ve worked with Case as an AFS Technician for several years and have always been a mechanic. Yes sure just disconnect or wire around the seat switch sounds easy and normally is especially on older equipment and lawn mowers and such but the newer machines and heavy equipment have started using resistor switches and the controllers have to see a certain resistance before registering seat presence. So it’s a bit more tricky to rig up but not impossible, have actually helped to do two writhing the last 4 to 6 months however on Case Magnum tractors, so can’t help with what resistance you need but I’m sure if you could find someone knowledgeable enough at your local dealer they could wire around the seat presence switch to get you by until one could be ordered.
Can't you just use electrical tape or a zip tie to pull and keep the sensor in place?
@@maxsnts if the sensor is able to be removed then sure could possibly do something along those lines to just keep the sensor pressed in. But with the sensor not being able to be ordered separately from the seat on the John Deere X9 combine it’s probably not going to be that simple.
We don't want to break bolts all the way to Albuquerque. That cracked me up 🤣
Mike,.....you may have to borrow Chapel's booster seat and put it in the X9 to help keep the seat switch activated.(Ha!Ha!)
We had a 820 IH header years ago that had plates that bolted on under the arms that we installed during wheat that held the arms up, may be something to look at in off season
Good opportunity to be in the bolt manufacturing company.
Your wife must be laughing her head off and saying Mike I told you so. You should have gone Red.😂😂
Lmao... "do u sense me yet!!! Do u sense me!!!"
Mike you need to get some saddle washers for those bolts, atleast then the full head of the bolt will be in contact with the pin and less likely to shear
Finally found this comment. Was very obvious at a glance.
were is the old jackall jack to lift those arms up to the poly and then thread in by hand. good farmer should always have some blocks and the jackall. LOL i am joking Mike need stock metric ready rod now
Good morning and good luck with that good sir !!!
Hey Mike could you just steal the seat off your other X9 at the north farm since you are not using it yet and just take it back with you when you start harvest up there. Although that one might go bad as well but at least it would be a temporary fix
Find the pressure sensor and by pass it. Also it is absolutely crazy all the issues you are having with Million dollar plus equipment. Find it amazing how you can keep your calm.
this 100%
warranty tho
The problem with that is, the computer will not let you do that. It needs to go off/on once in a while so it knows you haven't done exactly that. It also knows when you have sat in the seat for too long and flashes a code about operator presence time out.
3 weeks ago I bumped a deer. My seat belt restraints blew. There back ordered until Oct 4th. So I have no seat belts. On my John Deere lawn tractor I hot sick of the seat B.S. so I unplugged it an looped a wire so the sensor so I'm always sitting on the seat. Maybe tgat could work for you.
I cannot believe mike m8 bolts on the header ,I would think m12 would be a more logical size for the weight it Carries, easy job to replace to 😂
Deere has recalled the seat sensors they changed the seat in my 8R410 and that don't work either turns off autosteer
Ordering parts is a nightmare these days, nobody has anything
Agreed!
Hi Mike. Last year you couldn't get it out of the combine and this year there are problems getting it into the combine. It's really hard not to get frustrated I'd say
I have heard from other farmers all over the USA Mike parts are going to be a big problem this year and next could be the norm from now on and frigging John Deere aways has a part that breaks and is a real money maker for them and looks like it’s going to be them header bolts man
How is that part a money maker?
Shouldn't something like that bolt be covered under warranty?
So to fix your seat you need to find a resistor to jump it so it thinks you are in the seat. Of all things I had to do it to my John Deere lawn mower.
Betcha JD comes out with an updated anchor block drilled and tapped to a larger size, which everyone will have all ready done. Plus standard thread is easier to find at the hardware store. Engineers can give little regard to the practical application sometimes!
Mike... Lol sounds like you had a good time with your new combine
I foresee this becoming your perpetual unblock Of the rear end issue you had with the ideals
Haha right?!.. Though this is much easier and less dirty 😆🤷♂️
@@mikemitchell2554 For the capital investment in Green Paint it would be nice if the bolt replacement was performed by the dealership mechanics.
Mother Deere will need to step up their game to keep farmers happy by reducing down time.
@@gavinperry7237 The dealer would of but make mike wait 3 days till get there or want him truck unit to there shop lol
Aww! Mikes butt is just too gentle for hardy JD.
😂😂 “CAN YOU SENSE ME!!!”
Hi from Scotland Mike ,Great video as usual you not gett ing the Claas demo this year
I am not sure if this still applies or if it even would work for you. But what we did with a seat sensor that did not work was just used a jumper wire so now the tractor thinks you are always in the seat. I mean it is red neck but at least you can work.
looks like a very easy thing to upgrade to a larger bolt, the pins it goes through and threads into look like they'd be easy to change out.
Probably would void warranty
@@jacobl1657 they’d never know if you never said anything. Drill em bigger and tap em. Easy
@@joshwagner5414 Yep, should tap right to 3/8. If was a warranty thing, the dealer should be there putting the bolts in, not Mike. And I don't know about Deere but some other dealers in the US used to sell new equipment without a warranty for less cost. Or maybe just have a power train warranty or something.
@@heartysteer8752 I’ve never heard of that. Only buyable extended warranties
@@joshwagner5414 You've obviously never filed for warranty. There's an inspection by a tech for a reason...
It might look like bolts are a bit thin for their purpose, but I'm sure they were made out of high tensile strength Chinesium. Also, given the application it should have been clear to the engineers that after one bolt popped the bolts on either side were pretty likely to pop due to increase load. This looks suspiciously like the result of either (1) a new purchasing manager "saving money", or (2) a cost account "value engineering for cost reduction."
Agreeded, looks like it shouldn’t be a bolt but an actual cast part
It is the direct result of using off the self parts to increase production and reduce cost.
@@gerard-nagle no a bolt is fine (cast would be worse because it doesnt perform under tension) you just need a higher class bolt like e.g.: 12.9
If any dealership has Mike as a Customer, they should be falling over themselves to resolve issues. Otherwise all the JD combines will be replaced, with what who knows? Claas?
I love the ending!
Idk how u keep so calm..the f bombs would be happening if was me lol
Dude that is ridiculous
Macdon makes great headers 😛
Sounds like JD customer service is still as bad as it was in England 25 years ago, when I was farming.
Should be able to use a regular impact driver with a long extension and a flex socket.
Those seat sensors used to be easy to bypass with a relay on your key power. Now they need a certain resistance when they are open and a certain resistance when they are closed. I don't know why Deere has to over complicate things. Still manged to bypass them though🙄
"Do you sense me yet" LOL 😆
Cuts of the camera before major sense of humour failure 😂 I feel ur pain
Mike Mitchell might want to check out the MacDon FD2 combine header. They are using it on Fast Ag Montana’s newest video. It seems to be a better built head compared to the John Deere.
Clearly the seat sensor is designed for a more "American" physique 😂
I wonder if 2 additional bolts, one on the outside of each side of the bracket. This would now give you a total of 3 bolts to secure it properly. Just a suggestion.
It would be easier to drill and tap larger holes and threads to convert it from M8 to M10 bolts or even convert it to standard 3/8" bolts (~9.5mm). Or maybe even go up to 7/16" (~11.1mm) bolts, unless the bolts are designed as shear bolts to protect something much more expensive from breaking.
What a scrap, in such an easy thing, and we are wondering about the Artemis Mission Not starting to the moon because of issues….it will never start. :-) the seat problem is easy, just eat more :-)
Mike
The JD bag the bolts came in is as expensive as the nuts and washers that should have been with it 🙆♂️
Do you sense meeee?! 🤣🤣
That JD seems a little finicky, hope it smooths out for you.
Used John Deere S series combines and JD headers for many year now, I love the combines but I would not rate the headers at all, used R series, X, 600D and 700FD or RDF as they’re now called. All of which I have found to be good headers in principle but actually not at all fit for purpose in difficult cutting conditions, which we have more difficult conditions than perfect conditions year to year. I personally think that the macdon (FD1 is the only model series I’ve cut acres with) is seriously head and shoulders above any JD header in terms of quality, usability and longevity. Deere try too hard to make their headers better than the competition by adding lots of complexity, this just adds more chance of failure which adds more chance of costly downtime, such a shame as the combines themselves are such awesome machines!
We’ve also struggled so much trying to get parts this season (uk), in previous seasons parts would always be available overnight, this year however it’s been a massive let down
Gotta be a way to bypass the seat sensor...that's insane!!@!!
After you pay for the loud sound system, power door closed, and lighted fridge, do you expect the necessary parts to be strong enough? Mother Deere saved thousands of dollars by using bolts smaller than the required size bolts.
If you get a chance Mike, would like to see a video of the lights in use after dark.
That should be an inch diameter grade 8 threaded rod adjuster. This is what happens when they try to make everything cheap with off the self parts.
Metric redi-rod has been a stock item at NAPA and Lordco for at least 10 years. Two hardness and two threads at some stores.
Right on Man!! Farm out! 😏❤️
Flat bolt head sitting on a round bar is a design flaw. Extreme dynamic stress due to small contact surface. The round bar needs a flat surface to support the bolt head properly.
Or just saddle washers on the bolts will help fix it too
Good thing the john deere engineers didnt touch the boing aircraft wings I flew on yesterday
All the x9s have the same seat problem yours works as good as any don’t waist money on new one…🤘🏻
Wait unit u c the john deere kit to fix the problem a drill bit n a 3/8 bolt pull the snap ring off remove the round piece n re drill all the holes to 3/8
Also u will need a long ratchet wrench too
Been waiting for a seat since March for my new Hagie, has the same seat
But the latest software update is supposed to fix the seat issue
Sounds crazy but sit on a roll of paper towels
Have ran two days since dealer put software in and has worked so far knock on wood