Remember how the USA underestimated the Japanese Zeke (zero) fighter ? They claimed it was under armed and poorly armoured and its pilots where poor and had short sightedness and where poorly trained until Zeke's started shooting down Americans planes especially Brewster Buffalos and Dauntlesses by the ton load until they developed the Corsair and the Mustang did they have a chance ... underestimating their enemy has always been a American problem that's why they where defeated by both the Vietnamese and the Taliban .
In the case of the Japanese "Zeke/Zero" fighter, the US underestimated the Japanese because they were an Asian power. and the combat experience ofthe Japanese in China wouldn't really matter in a fight with Americans even if flying less advanced machines. The Zero was underarmored and its guns had a hard time taking down armored US fighters such as the Wildcat the P-38 and even the P-40. Once American pilots used the superior armor and diving ability of US planes with tactics designed to minimize dog fighting, the US racked up overwhelming superior kill ratios over Japan. America didn't need to wait for the Mustang and Corsair to gain control of the skies. The P-38 Lighting was the most dangerous USAAF fighter of the war in the Pacific and the top Navy plane was the Hellcat. America didn't underestimate the Taliban or North Vietnamese. Those insurgencies took advantage of running supply lines through neutral countries that were immune from American attack. They were willing to suffer 100 to 1 KIA ratios on the battlefield because in the end the Taliban and Vietnamese lived there and the Americans would sooner or later have to go home. Thats pretty much the same tactics the American colonies used to defeat the Super Power of their day,the British Empire.
@@alicedog368 "lmao look at u getting all defensive, just admit u lost" How can you say "lost" when we haven't engaged in a nuclear exchange with Vietnam or the Taliban? A nation that has nuclear weapons didn't "lose" anything. We choose when and where we fight. At a time and place of our choosing....on our terms. Afghanistan is a rubble pile. What would be the point of staying and killing more of them? To turn the rubble into a finer grain of sand? Unlike the Taliban the U.S. has no need to waste time and treasure killing wanna-be wife beaters and perverts. They are all so whacked out on drugs the only way to totally defeat them would be to kill them all. No need for that.....yet.
Western critics are forgetting one thing: China's manufacturing capacity. Both the T-34s and the Sherman tanks were considered "inferior" to German tanks, but they were built in large numbers. Numbers that the Germans couldn't hope to match. Western critics are making the same mistake.
yepz, west can BS what ever they want but always buying over priced weapon system lol how long world will buy US debt ($34 T) western critics only write what ever they paid for (propaganda)
The Liaoning is for training purposes only and will only be used for combat when absolutely needed, and by that time, it will be a launching pad for the next generation Chinese combat drones.
Yup. It has always been known that the first carrier is always going to be a training carrier. The PLAN needs experience and needs it badly, having a carrier for that purpose is vital. Anyone who keep trying to compare Liaoning to carriers like the Nimitz or even the QE and then conclude that it sucks, is deliberately being disingenuous. It is obviously a propaganda piece to assuage western fears of a rising China.
How many Chinese planes have taken a dirt nap?? As many f 35 's as there are in the air , in a dozen different countries I'm not surprised there are some accidents. BTW how many mishaps have been attributed to pilot error
I doubt that would even make a difference! China is yet to find out that operating the type 003 carrier wont be easy. For starters, she hasn't got enough power!
The problem with these carriers and jets are that most people misunderstand their purpose. They are for carrier operations training purposes. And to be honest is a brilliant idea. Why build and use a expensive carrier and jets for training only?
well, carriers are only for wars with weaker countries who has no anti ship weapons. i bet US won't deploy its carriers to south China sea (< 2000km) if they want to fight with China. it's also true for China, if China want to take back TW or fight Japan, they won't send their carriers to the warzone neither - they would just use ballistic missiles to kill most of the ants first then send carriers to assist their ground troops. that's how to use a carrier, and it's more than training.
To build a carrier force as a deterrent, China has to start somewhere and they need to catch up. The Liaoning i& the J-15 are precisely that, a starting point for them to learn how to build & operate a carrier all on their own. And the pace they're progressing in this area is startlingly rapid...!! They went from zero carrier, zero naval jet & zero experience to where they are now in just 20 years. In the next 5 years, they'll have a bigger carrier operational with EMALS, carrier-borne stealth jets & AEW aircraft.... all building on the training & learning they get from turning an abandoned Russian vessel into a modern training tool that is the Liaoning, plus designing & building the J-15 to go with it. As a starting point, having managed all that is actually pretty damn impressive.
@@GetTheFuckOutofH3re1 no one has real mordern sea war experience today, does US have experience? fighting a war with small nation with no even navy or air force in afgandistan or iraq or syria is not real experience
Im from Liaoning province. It can be a special honor to name the very first top class ship of the nation after Liaoning province, Im sure this ship will be a naval museum after retired from navy.
It's okay when the western military underestimate the Chinese military. What counts is when they confront us and be surprised by fhe Real capabilities of the Chinese PLA. The element of Surprise is a great advantage in a battle and any good military general will agree to this. And only the PLA knows what it has. JIAYOU CHUNG GUO 🇨🇳 👍
The PLA has absolutely zero institutional knowledge for how to fight the west. I'm not even convinced they could actually make a landing on Taiwan much less create a true expeditionary force. By the way they know this themselves. The vast majority of the Chinese stuff is either Russian or slightly upgraded Russian with stolen western tech. We've all seen how Russia's air force has fared in Ukraine.
Apart from J-15, Liaoning and Shandong carriers also carry the Z-18F, which is a 13-ton large helicopter developed based on the French Super Frelon. It has a 1,000 km range and can carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles as well. That helicopter needs some introduction too. And the 003 carrier is about to be completed, installed with a domestic electro-magnetic catapult. A new version of J-15 (reported by some media as J-15T) capable of being catapult-launched has already been developed and tested. So even if those accusations were true, they will soon become history.
With regards to new versions of the J15, it remains to be seen how many airframes will be produced, and whether they will be available for the Liaoning and Shandong. The new variant have better missiles and Aesa radar, as well as CATOBAR capability. PLAN is unlikely to upgrade the existing J15s, because they have been used very intensely for training purposes. So, whether the upgrade will correct the existing issues regarding the combat capability of the Liaoning and Shandong air wings is uncertain. But I of course agree that these problems won't be there on the Type 003 carrier.
A new aircraft being used withing a new branch of a service.... You have to enter the game somewhere and start building up the experience and proficiency. this is exactly what China has done and is now undergoing rapid evolution in both Carriers and Aircraft as Chinese Naval Aviation gets itself established. IT s the same thing we have seen in other areas of the military where China has jumped in and played very rapid catchup..
Rapid catch-up means accidents and death. That's the cost of the carrier game. Look at history, any country. The J-15 is a fine aircraft, but keep missing the point. Any fuel onboard? That question was skirted around.
This was a very informative and good video. As the content creator said, it is never good or wise to underestimate your competitor. Till this day many western military analyst have continued to belittle and disparage the J-15. However, if I were the content creator, I would have let them continue with their views. Let them build up a false impression of their superiority. If they feel good about it, let them enjoy their fantasy. Why do you want to burst their bubble? Let them get a shock when they least expect it. Wouldn't you want to look at their SHOCKED EXPRESSIONS when it happens?
It seems like the West / US is somewhat underestimating the J15. This is obvious regarding the takeoff weighr, range and reliability. Losing two airframes in 10 years in a navy without previous history operating carriers actually seems pretty great. That said, the fact that it lacks an AESA radar and doesnt carry the PL15 is limiting. It is likely the latest version(s] will address these issues.
I think they have pretty accurate information and assessment internally, and I bet they prepared very seriousely, but on media, they have to make pepole believe "west" is still the most powerful. Simple as that.
@camt8804 Think about China’s capabilities in electronic equipment manufacturing, think about Shenzhen and Huawei, not to mention China’s monopoly on production of Gallium and Germanium
I think j15 will fly more air defence missions for the fleet than going on the offensive by stretching to its operations range limit. the offensive part will be carried out by land based anti ship ballistic missiles. the whole system is built around a2/ad
The ridicule about the J-15 has no leg to stand on because the new one essentially will be like a J-11D (which could whip the F-15J and anything in the ROCAF). The shortcoming was never in the plane but in the payload and fuel limitation associated with the Ski Jump takeoff. That won't be a problem once type 003 is commissioned and Shandong and Liaoning are retrofitted with carapults.
@@thomaszhang3101 Full load for strike mission means full fuel, 2 PL-15, 2 PL-10 and 2 YJ-83. Not possible with ski jump. That's why they developed J-15 buddy refuelling so a fully armed J-15 with minimal fuel and top up after airborne.
@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 ok Mr. Obvious, hehe. On a serious note, it is vital for any big country to produce their own weapons no matter the quality. Self sufficiency is key to survival. And as it stands currently, Chinese planes are superior to Russian ones in avionics, sensors, material, manufacture technique, weapons, falling behind only in engine (which is mitigated with latest adoption of ws-10 variants). Russia had a strong foundation in fighter design, but it is too poor to invest in newer technology to keep it up to date. China does have money and did invest hugely in such technology.
What a stupid person, China is ahead of Russia in all aspects except for aero engines. China is much richer than Russia, and China has sufficient resources to invest in the military, which is why China is ahead of Russia except for aero engines. Engines require long-term technical accumulation, even if China has sufficient funds. I don't know which backward third world country you are from. It's easy for you idiots to discredit China: you can use America to disparage China. But when you compare it to Russia, hahaha, you're a stupid dog with a great sense of humor
it is said that, if you cannot appreciate & learn from your enemy's achievements means you'll never be able to defeat them in war . . . your enemy is your biggest teacher, respect that & you will prevail . . .
Compare Lioning to the first US and British carriers. Not to the western super carriers. China has its own super carriers coming soon. In the mean time Lioning is being used for training. It's a smart move.
At this day and age we would expect any nation to build a better first carrier than our first. Our first was a century ago. What about submarines? Was yours's much more advanced than the USS Turtle?
The amount of human resources in china says it all. And what if half of those scientists and engineers around the western world comes back to china. It's staggering and suicidal not to take china tech achievement seriously.
@@f-35lightningii6 Flanker aerodynamics are undisputedly very good. How good comeparef to the Super Hornet? Idk, but it had always been known to be one of the best.
Compared to the US F/A-18s (both the Hornet and newer Super Hornet), the J-15 is a heavier aircraft able to carry more weapons and fuel, and it can fly higher and faster. J-15s are also aerodynamically superior to the F/A-18s. However, the Block II Super Hornet has a better radar than the non-updated J-15 currently in service, which is a crucial advantage. The new updated version of the J-15 is going to have a new AESA radar, improved engine, CATOBAR ability and other enhancements. This new version will most likely be superior to the F/A-18s in many critical aspects.
Without the new carrier implementing a CATOBAR system then the J-15 is under utilised as it is unable to use its full payload capacity or fuel capacity in order to get off the current Soviet style carriers - it does make sense and I agree with that assessment when u look at the lack of AEWACS aircraft on current carriers (KJ-600) is being developed for the new carrier However any 4th generation fighter such as the J-15, especially knowing China’s great aviation industry, will be more that prepared for whatever role command requires and they will definitely have a life time upgrade to make sure they keep up with any adversaries so it doesn’t matter what the west thinks as each fighter will have its role and will be able to maximise its ability specified for that role
Thanks dude. I think the aircraft catapult is indeed key, and these are widely expected to be installed on the Type 003. Some people are advocating for catapults to be installed on the current ski jump carriers, but i am skeptical whether this will happen. On the upgrades to the J15, I agree that they will be improved, but the existing airframes likely wouldn't be, because they have been used very intensely for training purposes, and will probably have to be retired soon. But you are correct in the sense that the new J15s that is being produced will be upgraded with CATOBAR compatibility and AESA radars. We actually got some concrete info on this version of the J15 very recently. I hope to do a short video on it early next week. Watch this space!
Excuse me, China's great history in aviation? When did that happen?? China was late to the game, hasn't developed a single aircraft (the designs have all been stolen) and your safety record isn't that hot either! So do tell me, when did China become great in Aviation?
Westerners look down on China. To westerners, Warmonger USA has the best fighter plane esp. F22 and F35. No Chinese fighter plane can match their. Too boastful b4 engage with any China fighters planes.
I would say Liaoning is the very first aircraft carrier not even made in China fully. Of course enchanted field for China. It serves in many aspects. Take off and landing are new for pilots in real time. It also provides enormous information to engineers, technicians, opening the leaders' to decide what kind of long term to set. So far we have seen China is capable of fully domestic carrier as Shandong. If you understand the way of Chinese people ,they will be in driving seat in less than two decades. They do not need to have 6/7/8 of them. The level, caliber of rocket force is well known for speed and extreme accuracy, yankees carriers will be kept at bay. Time is on their side. Yankees subs will be hitting seamounts again and again regardless of sea wolf or sea dog.
I agree, China does not need eleven carriers. You get a lot more for your defense budget by building advanced missiles. China's missiles are almost on a par with Russian missiles and are ahead of those of America.
What western fans on RUclips say and what the actual US Military does are two different things. Its the Chinese and their nationalist supporters who are underestimating the west,not the reverse. Listening to China you would think they could defeat the combined armed forces of the US Japan, Australia, UK,France and Taiwan at the push of a button and with no devestating response from the west.
@@TheLAGopher I don't think anyone in non western countries under estimate the war mentality or utter devastation the west can bring to bare on there chosen enemies. People of Japan have first hand experience as do Iran Iraq and Libya. That's why they all wish to have good relations with the west given the choice. Problem is with the west they look down on other nations want to keep them down and exploit there resources . Truth is alot of countries have built up enough power and influence in there region to resist and inflict huge damage to your list of countries collective west . I don't think the Americans can get away with a major war with these powers and come of with no damage like they did with WW2 .This time everyone gets a bloody nose .So only a idiot would start a fight problem is all western politicians are idiots.
Spot On!. You should study F14 history operating on the aircraft carrier and you would be shocked with the number of crashes and fatalities. PLA J15 is nothing in comparison. Look at F35.....already 3 lost in less than 3 years in South China Sea. One from Japan, the other from UK and the recent one in USA. 3 crashes in less than 5 years....
First Thing First! Only recently are China using Aircraft Carriers thus wait for accidents in the near Future to happen and that since its not long China using Carriers yet have reports of 2 aircraft crashes than one can only imagine how many will in the long run.
@@alfredawomi2340 Have you ever looked into historical data when other nations first started aircraft carriers a century ago? Not only were Chinese accidents slightly lower than the west currently, they were far lower compared when the west was new and inexperienced when it comes to carrier operations.
The tomcat ingested its own engine once very publicly on film doing a “fly-pass” Western attempts to paint other countries weaponry should merely be acknowledged as propaganda. Weaponry world wide is evening up at an unprecedented pace due to sensor advances and information sharing. You don’t have to spend 860 billion a year to get good leverage from indigenous systems these days.
In otherward..Taiwan messed up US judgements... Hahahaha.. J-15 is a plane under constant development..so..how people can mock down a plane under further development and modifications?!
PAPER TIGER! A cheap copy of an obsolete Soviet aircraft. Regardless of whether the Chinese can actually put their Type 003 carrier to sea with a functional catapult, the J-15 will never be able to carry a useful payload or have the range to pose a threat to any maritime power.
Yes, skyjump has limitation in term of aircraft load capacity, but the main important issue is, how china accelerate and compete US aircraft carrier like nimitz class can launch aircraft with 120 sorties per day and gerald ford class with 160 sorties per day
@@EurasiaNaval In fact, the information that 002 can carry 36 J-15 is basically false. In fact, the leaders of the shipyard quoted the data on the Chinese Internet in an interview with reporters, which was not the real data. There was a deviation in the follow-up media reports, which did not explain that the data was quoted from the data on the Internet, resulting in a closed loop in the dissemination of information. Compared with 001, the increase of the actual carrying capacity of 002 is very limited, because the overall design is the same as 001, but the location of the original anti-ship missile launcher is changed to the hangar. In fact, this space is not large enough to accommodate 12 J-15 (001 is not equipped with anti-ship missiles, and the corresponding location is changed to the naval cabin)
Unlike other flankers (J11 series, J16 series) use WS-10. J-15 still uses the AL31F as the main engine. AL31F has become the only engine that China currently still buying from Russia. Not quite sure if J-15T is still going to use the AL31F, since rumor says that it is going to use WS-10. WS-10 was very bad in the early years of development (maybe around 2012), to prove the usage of WS-10, there was a time when the Chinese flankers like J11B used two different engines on one jet, one was AL31F, and another was WS-10. After WS-10 finally achieved its original goal of design, the buying of AL31F quickly decreased to only J15. And then there were rumors saying AL31F is a kind of balanced trade exchange between China and Russia, it is not because the PLA Navy has no choice (Their J11BGH use WS-10), but because the Lyulka design bureau needs to have customer's order to maintain their company's running, especially after 2014. But now Russia is at War, and the production has all shifted for that, and now it is very hard for the Lyulka to provide the AL31F to China stable since their production is all now serve to the War. so it is very possible that the J15T is going to use WS-10. These early type J15 will continue to use AL31F until the Navy is out of storage, and then shift to WS-10 or some other Chinese engine that time. I don't think PLA will just decommission these J-15 quickly, maybe these J-15 will still serve on Liaoning or Shandong for a long time, or maybe transfer to the Navy school. PLA usually don't just waste any jets as long as there is the possibility to upgrade them.
I specifically said near the beginning of this video I am not looking at the recent upgraded version, which are not yet in service. This video discusses a specific issue, which I clarified at the start. I don't we should call this vid outdated, because it is not intended to cover what you have in mind. If you are looking for a video on the new J-15 variant that was shown in mid December, go check out my other video made specifically on that.
Are you sure it was ridiculed and criticized more than the F35 ?... I think every plane has it's own fans and "non-fans" Depends on what makes the news and when it does...
I think that because this is an English language RUclips channel, which has few if any Chinese viewers or subscribers, many viewers and commenters have a bias against China, so the number of negative comments will likely be much higher than if this was a Chinese social media channel. A lot of people outside of China are either ignorant of how advanced China really is, or they overstate the combat experience of some western nations compared to the PLA's combat experience. Plain old anti China attitudes is also probably a large part of the negative comments unfortunately.
I don’t understand why China built the 002 Shangdong. It’s basically a larger version of 001 Liaoning with the same limitations of a ski ramp. Should have built 002 as a modern catapult carrier.
@@sammychow5238 They still could train navy pilots had the 002 was a catapult carrier. Unless they hadn’t the technology of steam or electro magnetic catapults.
001 Liaoning was not being built from scratch, it was built in 1986 as Kuznetsov-class later renamed as "Varyag ", China purchased it and refurbished it and renamed as Liaoning. So 002 Shandong was the 1st carrier built from scratch.
@EurasiaNaval The perceived weakness of the J-15 has nothing to do with its aerodynamic or kinetic strengths. It has to do with the ski jump. The ski jump results in high centripetal forces acting on the wings of the J-15 as it accelates upward. The only way to prevent damaging the wings being damaged is to limit the stores to light weight missiles.
Wow! Taiwan is winning just like Ukraine is winning? The worst thing to enter combat with is an underestimation of the enemy. Taiwan will learn as Ukraine is learning.
The problem is not the J-15. I am sure J-15 is pretty capable. The issue is the carrier. So far China is still using STOBAR carrier. In order for Chinese navy to utilize full potentials of J-15 they need CATOBAR carrier.
That’ll do the job I suppose… But I much rather a few sexy looking Chinese fantasising blonde, brunette, or some redhead doing the co-piloting or manning the missile launching joysticks with the dazzling Fan Bing Bing or the mesmerizing Zhao Wei Wei or even the sweet looking Ruby Lin at the Helm🤩. .
So... four J-15s crashed since 2016 and the western world immediately jeers & calls it the flopping fish. Well, since 2019 three F-35s have already crashed at sea. Out of curiosity, can the F-35 take off with a full load of fuel + full combat load from HMS Queen Elizabeth's ski ramp?
Only 2 J15 crashed, the others were incidents but not crashed. F-35B has a much smaller fuel tank than A and C varient, so even if it can takeoff at max weight, it will still have a very limited range.
How can aircraft launch off of a ski jump compared to a catapult? I would think that the ski jump would slow the aircraft rather than make it speed up. What kind of fuzzy physics is going on there? Also, doesn't the ski jump limit what kind of aircraft can fly off of that carrier? ....whereas a catapult can be adjusted for lighter or heavier aircraft. Yes?
The problem of Liaoning is not its plane, but it's steam engines. Steam engines needs time to heat up. Basically, Liaoning needs about 30 minutes to heat up and prepare it self and gain speed to be combat ready. While other carriers like nuclear or gas turbines only need half of the time. Liaoning is really vulnerable when in docked. China needs an replacement engine. PL-8 is also not as good as PL-10.
I'm sure it's a very competent fourth gen fighter. Do I think it stands a chance against an F-22 or F-35? Absolutely not. The J-20 might at least in certain conditions although it's not a true stealth jet.
How is this guy an expert? At the c. 6min. mark, he claims that the ski jump requires that aircraft "expend a considerable amount of internal fuel." That explanation calls all of his claims into question.
Military establishments in the US/West HAVE NOT ridiculed the J-15. The articles you cited are written by civilians(with no military background), not the Pentagon or the US Air Force/Navy. Read DIA's report to congress for (unclassified) insight into what the DOD thinks of the J-15.
Not so long ago, China was laughed at about their product quality, from white electronic goods, cars, toys, ... even 10 years ago a banking exec was saying China was a follower in payment industry. Well, look at what happen. China has knocked out Japanese electronic giants, Alipay & Wechat pay become leaders in the industry (globally), most recently exporting electric cars that even rivaling Tesla (praised & admited by Musk himself), highspeed trains, proprietary passenger widebody jets that will take on Boeing & Airbus... as for military. China's first aircraft carrier was launched in 2012, the 2nd indigenious version in 2017, and the 3rd China-made (with electronic catapult) in 2022 (to be in service by 2025), ... And China has only just started.
Let’s look at the incredibly negligent manner in which western ‘superpowers’ have lost unimaginable aircraft. It’s a miracle and reflective of advanced Chinese technologies that only 2 planes were lost over 12 years.
It's good that the USA military experts ridicule China's hardware so that they would be caught off guard during any real encounter...China will persevere and overtake US in due course. Jiayou.
I think the development of the J 15 program is not right. Heavy fighters are not needed by modern aircraft carriers. The USA, Russia, France, India have long switched to light fighters such as the super hornet F 18, Mig 29K and Rafale-M. For example, a Russian aircraft carrier can fit 36 Su 33 (similar to J 15), and almost twice as many Mig 29K, when the Mig 29k is almost as capable as the Su 33. China should develop a light carrier-based fighter based on the J 10, it is well suited for this.
I think what you said is basically right, although I don't think the J-10 is suitable for carrier use. China is developing the J-35, which will be much smaller than the J-15 and with VLO designs, similar to the F-35C. That said, there's a role for heavier fighters even in the US Navy in the form of the F-18, as the latter can carry a heavier payload of anti-ship weapons and greater operational range, although for air cover the light fighters are better. The J-10 I do not think is suitable for carrier conversion, particularly for STOBAR ships that demands greater engine performance, and having only a single engine makes taking-off difficult from ski-ramps. Twin engine configuration also provides the reliability for naval aviation operations.
@@EurasiaNaval The J 10 is light, and it doesn't need a very powerful engine for a normal takeoff from a springboard. The J 35 is a 5th generation fighter, which is why their cost and production speed are deteriorating, which is why China will have to make up most of the air group from the 4th generation anyway. And I'm not sure if the J 35 will be able to take off with Type 001 and 001A. The J 15 and Su 33 are good planes, but they are very limited in quantity. It would seem that they are only two meters longer, but they fit almost twice as much, I don't know how China will solve this problem, and whether it will solve it at all.
@@EurasiaNaval Of course, it's a bit contradictory, because if the J 15B is used from a catapult, it will be able to better reveal all its qualities (yes, it can perform them from a springboard, but a little worse) and its characteristics will be much better than the F 18 (I'm not criticizing the F 18, it's a very good aircraft). But the F 18 can be based on an aircraft carrier more, and it's a little unclear what to give preference to for an aircraft carrier.
@@EurasiaNaval perhaps a little off topic, but in the Soviet Union and Russia, options were considered for the full disclosure of the potential of the springboard. That is, the planes were designed so that they could work well from a springboard with the same efficiency as from a catapult. For example, the Soviet Su 33 and Mig 29k have a special engine mode that makes it very powerful during takeoff, which allows the aircraft carrier to take off at any speed with full, and even overload combat load. And it basically turned out. Also, the use of the Yak 44 AWACS aircraft (an analogue of the American Grumman E-2 Hawkeye) was considered from the springboard, which was equipped with twin blades and powerful engines, which made it possible to take off even from the springboard without much effort, but due to the financial crisis in the 80s, the project was not completed, and in Russia they have not yet returned to it.
J-15 is huge and heavy fighter jets. It's not suitable for fighter but as bomber. Better built smaller and medium sizes fighter jets with powerful engines like J-17, J-10 & J-35.
Very informative. Can you say whether could it be possible to modify the Indian Su-30MKI into a naval fighter with stronger landing gears (for CATOBAR) and folding wings by the Indian Hindustan Aeronautics Limited or not. And how good fighter that would be ?
SU30MKi is from grand dad SU27. SU33 is from SU27. Why waste money and time to modify the SU30. Just buy SU33 from Russia and have the electronics upgraded!. The worst is, can ask China to sell to India to cut cost and time. Further China also offer J15 to Russia for sale too...
@@yours_sincerely48 Better to see if Russia can supply a new su-33 with electronically scanning radar and the new engine that was designed for the su-57.
@@johnbodman4504 In production you need quantity or else the production cost will be exhorbhitant. Russia don't have many aircaft carrier and just to make 20 plus units are prohibitive high. Best is to buy from China and China knew it and offer to sell their J15 to Russia.
In combat rule no 1 do not understimate your enemy might be surprise you nations are familiar bout US armament so there's a possibility to imitate the weapons and making better and advance by innovation .
The "Flanker" has got to be the most beautiful jet ever built.
Absolutely!
It's surprising just how big they are compared to aircraft like F-16/Typhoon/Mirage 2000/etc.
@@simonyip5978 72 ft long, nose to tail if I'm not mistaken.
The most beautiful aircraft ever built is the f23 black widow stealth fighter.
I'm a fan of the F-22 raptor
That's a beautiful plane
Remember how the USA underestimated the Japanese Zeke (zero) fighter ? They claimed it was under armed and poorly armoured and its pilots where poor and had short sightedness and where poorly trained until Zeke's started shooting down Americans planes especially Brewster Buffalos and Dauntlesses by the ton load until they developed the Corsair and the Mustang did they have a chance ... underestimating their enemy has always been a American problem that's why they where defeated by both the Vietnamese and the Taliban .
@@jonathangarner1516 lmao look at u getting all defensive, just admit u lost
In the case of the Japanese "Zeke/Zero" fighter, the US underestimated the Japanese
because they were an Asian power.
and the combat experience ofthe Japanese in China wouldn't really matter in a fight with Americans
even if flying less advanced machines. The Zero was underarmored and its guns had
a hard time taking down armored
US fighters such as the Wildcat
the P-38 and even the P-40.
Once American pilots used the superior armor and diving ability
of US planes with tactics designed to minimize dog fighting, the US
racked up overwhelming superior
kill ratios over Japan. America didn't need to wait for the Mustang and Corsair to gain control of the skies.
The P-38 Lighting was the most dangerous USAAF fighter of the
war in the Pacific and the top Navy
plane was the Hellcat.
America didn't underestimate the Taliban or North Vietnamese.
Those insurgencies took advantage
of running supply lines through neutral countries that were immune from American attack. They were willing to suffer 100 to 1 KIA ratios
on the battlefield because in the end the Taliban and Vietnamese
lived there and the Americans
would sooner or later have to go home. Thats pretty much the same
tactics the American colonies used to defeat the Super Power of their day,the British Empire.
@@alicedog368 "lmao look at u getting all defensive, just admit u lost"
How can you say "lost" when we haven't engaged in a nuclear exchange with Vietnam or the Taliban? A nation that has nuclear weapons didn't "lose" anything. We choose when and where we fight. At a time and place of our choosing....on our terms. Afghanistan is a rubble pile. What would be the point of staying and killing more of them? To turn the rubble into a finer grain of sand? Unlike the Taliban the U.S. has no need to waste time and treasure killing wanna-be wife beaters and perverts. They are all so whacked out on drugs the only way to totally defeat them would be to kill them all. No need for that.....yet.
@@jonathangarner1516 Proxy means not directly involved, like in Ukraine. Vietnam and Afghanistan are not proxies. We lost, post less bro.
Yes they understimate Japan. That's why they did modernize Philippines defence.
Western critics are forgetting one thing: China's manufacturing capacity. Both the T-34s and the Sherman tanks were considered "inferior" to German tanks, but they were built in large numbers. Numbers that the Germans couldn't hope to match. Western critics are making the same mistake.
yepz, west can BS what ever they want but always buying over priced weapon system lol
how long world will buy US debt ($34 T)
western critics only write what ever they paid for (propaganda)
I actually genuinely agree with you ❤😂🎉.
You speak facts.
@@Food-Dharma i actually genuinely agree with you.
He said Sherman tanks 😂 as if britian did anything
The Liaoning is for training purposes only and will only be used for combat when absolutely needed, and by that time, it will be a launching pad for the next generation Chinese combat drones.
We going to sell it back to the Russians for profit. Massive brain plays out here
Yup. It has always been known that the first carrier is always going to be a training carrier. The PLAN needs experience and needs it badly, having a carrier for that purpose is vital. Anyone who keep trying to compare Liaoning to carriers like the Nimitz or even the QE and then conclude that it sucks, is deliberately being disingenuous. It is obviously a propaganda piece to assuage western fears of a rising China.
You sound very knowledgeable. I'm liking the fact that you do a lot of research. I will like and subscribe!
Awesome! Thank you!
Meanwhile, another F35 just crashed.
Lol made in U.S.A. is crap then using their logic
I actually genuinely agree ❤😂🎉.
How many Chinese planes have taken a dirt nap?? As many f 35 's as there are in the air , in a dozen different countries I'm not surprised there are some accidents. BTW how many mishaps have been attributed to pilot error
so what? it happens. so many jets crash in the chinese airforce, you just dont know about it.
Dream on little boy. 😂
Misjudging is an advantage for China when the West is over-confident.
I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once.
@@RadicalFloat_95 no more properganda
J-15 operating from the Liaoning currently is not maxed out. Once operating from the type 003 she will be a beast.
Or operating from islands
I doubt that would even make a difference! China is yet to find out that operating the type 003 carrier wont be easy. For starters, she hasn't got enough power!
@@peterlongland6862 you know this how?
its common knowledge, go do some research@@davidmoss2576
@@peterlongland6862 what drug are you on, can I have some too? Type 003 is already using electromagnetic catapults
The problem with these carriers and jets are that most people misunderstand their purpose. They are for carrier operations training purposes. And to be honest is a brilliant idea. Why build and use a expensive carrier and jets for training only?
Yes they're mostly used for training and defensive purposes, not like the american ones which are used mostly for offensive purposes.
well, carriers are only for wars with weaker countries who has no anti ship weapons.
i bet US won't deploy its carriers to south China sea (< 2000km) if they want to fight with China.
it's also true for China, if China want to take back TW or fight Japan, they won't send their carriers to the warzone neither - they would just use ballistic missiles to kill most of the ants first then send carriers to assist their ground troops.
that's how to use a carrier, and it's more than training.
To build a carrier force as a deterrent, China has to start somewhere and they need to catch up. The Liaoning i& the J-15 are precisely that, a starting point for them to learn how to build & operate a carrier all on their own. And the pace they're progressing in this area is startlingly rapid...!! They went from zero carrier, zero naval jet & zero experience to where they are now in just 20 years. In the next 5 years, they'll have a bigger carrier operational with EMALS, carrier-borne stealth jets & AEW aircraft.... all building on the training & learning they get from turning an abandoned Russian vessel into a modern training tool that is the Liaoning, plus designing & building the J-15 to go with it. As a starting point, having managed all that is actually pretty damn impressive.
@@MMA-gb6to and China has experience in this scenario?
@@GetTheFuckOutofH3re1 no one has real mordern sea war experience today, does US have experience? fighting a war with small nation with no even navy or air force in afgandistan or iraq or syria is not real experience
Im from Liaoning province.
It can be a special honor to name the very first top class ship of the nation after Liaoning province, Im sure this ship will be a naval museum after retired from navy.
Thanks for viewing
中国海警肯定会想办法要辽宁号和055，绝不会这样浪费掉。
It's okay when the western military underestimate the Chinese military. What counts is when they confront us and be surprised by fhe Real capabilities of the Chinese PLA. The element of Surprise is a great advantage in a battle and any good military general will agree to this. And only the PLA knows what it has. JIAYOU CHUNG GUO 🇨🇳 👍
The PLA has absolutely zero institutional knowledge for how to fight the west. I'm not even convinced they could actually make a landing on Taiwan much less create a true expeditionary force. By the way they know this themselves. The vast majority of the Chinese stuff is either Russian or slightly upgraded Russian with stolen western tech. We've all seen how Russia's air force has fared in Ukraine.
today’s reconnaissance and intelligence can reveal many secrets, J15 is a copy of Su33, and the engines also derived from the Flanker’s
I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳.
This was a good thoughtful video without the usual American propaganda.
I actually genuinely agree with you
Well done China. Built by China. 💪💪👍👍👏👏❤❤💯💯
Apart from J-15, Liaoning and Shandong carriers also carry the Z-18F, which is a 13-ton large helicopter developed based on the French Super Frelon. It has a 1,000 km range and can carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles as well. That helicopter needs some introduction too.
And the 003 carrier is about to be completed, installed with a domestic electro-magnetic catapult. A new version of J-15 (reported by some media as J-15T) capable of being catapult-launched has already been developed and tested. So even if those accusations were true, they will soon become history.
With regards to new versions of the J15, it remains to be seen how many airframes will be produced, and whether they will be available for the Liaoning and Shandong. The new variant have better missiles and Aesa radar, as well as CATOBAR capability. PLAN is unlikely to upgrade the existing J15s, because they have been used very intensely for training purposes. So, whether the upgrade will correct the existing issues regarding the combat capability of the Liaoning and Shandong air wings is uncertain. But I of course agree that these problems won't be there on the Type 003 carrier.
A new aircraft being used withing a new branch of a service.... You have to enter the game somewhere and start building up the experience and proficiency. this is exactly what China has done and is now undergoing rapid evolution in both Carriers and Aircraft as Chinese Naval Aviation gets itself established. IT s the same thing we have seen in other areas of the military where China has jumped in and played very rapid catchup..
But J-15 is just purely bad with only 62 planes produced, and production have been stopped.
Though still waiting for the rumor J-15T
Rapid catch-up means accidents and death. That's the cost of the carrier game.
Look at history, any country.
The J-15 is a fine aircraft, but keep missing the point.
Any fuel onboard? That question was skirted around.
@@zixinxia1949
My goto channel for latest Chinese military info. Keep up the good work
This was a very informative and good video. As the content creator said, it is never good or wise to underestimate your competitor. Till this day many western military analyst have continued to belittle and disparage the J-15. However, if I were the content creator, I would have let them continue with their views. Let them build up a false impression of their superiority. If they feel good about it, let them enjoy their fantasy. Why do you want to burst their bubble? Let them get a shock when they least expect it. Wouldn't you want to look at their SHOCKED EXPRESSIONS when it happens?
Well worth subscribing to, great content and delivery.
I actually genuinely agree with you
The most important issue is who said the j-15 is designed for Liaoning? 003 is coming soon in case you don't know yet.
It seems like the West / US is somewhat underestimating the J15. This is obvious regarding the takeoff weighr, range and reliability. Losing two airframes in 10 years in a navy without previous history operating carriers actually seems pretty great. That said, the fact that it lacks an AESA radar and doesnt carry the PL15 is limiting. It is likely the latest version(s] will address these issues.
How good is the Chinese AESA radar?
I think they have pretty accurate information and assessment internally, and I bet they prepared very seriousely, but on media, they have to make pepole believe "west" is still the most powerful. Simple as that.
@@michaelwan4268 I'd say the opposite. The US has financial motivation to say China is stronger than it is .... just like the Soviet Union.
They only say this to congress, but not media.....@@camt8804
@camt8804 Think about China’s capabilities in electronic equipment manufacturing, think about Shenzhen and Huawei, not to mention China’s monopoly on production of Gallium and Germanium
J15 is a good aircraft. The only problem is that they operate from ski jump carrier. So their full potential has not been realised.
I think j15 will fly more air defence missions for the fleet than going on the offensive by stretching to its operations range limit. the offensive part will be carried out by land based anti ship ballistic missiles. the whole system is built around a2/ad
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The ridicule about the J-15 has no leg to stand on because the new one essentially will be like a J-11D (which could whip the F-15J and anything in the ROCAF). The shortcoming was never in the plane but in the payload and fuel limitation associated with the Ski Jump takeoff. That won't be a problem once type 003 is commissioned and Shandong and Liaoning are retrofitted with carapults.
@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 no you are so wrong to say he’s wrong lol
Even with the ramp take off from the Shandong and Liaoning, J-15 can still carry normal air superiority load and max fuel.
@@thomaszhang3101 Full load for strike mission means full fuel, 2 PL-15, 2 PL-10 and 2 YJ-83. Not possible with ski jump. That's why they developed J-15 buddy refuelling so a fully armed J-15 with minimal fuel and top up after airborne.
@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 ok Mr. Obvious, hehe. On a serious note, it is vital for any big country to produce their own weapons no matter the quality. Self sufficiency is key to survival.
And as it stands currently, Chinese planes are superior to Russian ones in avionics, sensors, material, manufacture technique, weapons, falling behind only in engine (which is mitigated with latest adoption of ws-10 variants).
Russia had a strong foundation in fighter design, but it is too poor to invest in newer technology to keep it up to date. China does have money and did invest hugely in such technology.
What a stupid person, China is ahead of Russia in all aspects except for aero engines. China is much richer than Russia, and China has sufficient resources to invest in the military, which is why China is ahead of Russia except for aero engines. Engines require long-term technical accumulation, even if China has sufficient funds. I don't know which backward third world country you are from. It's easy for you idiots to discredit China: you can use America to disparage China.
But when you compare it to Russia, hahaha, you're a stupid dog with a great sense of humor
it is said that, if you cannot appreciate & learn from your enemy's achievements means you'll never be able to defeat them in war . . . your enemy is your biggest teacher, respect that & you will prevail . . .
excellent video! Thank you for your professional insights.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Compare Lioning to the first US and British carriers. Not to the western super carriers. China has its own super carriers coming soon. In the mean time Lioning is being used for training. It's a smart move.
At this day and age we would expect any nation to build a better first carrier than our first. Our first was a century ago. What about submarines? Was yours's much more advanced than the USS Turtle?
Nice video.
The amount of human resources in china says it all.
And what if half of those scientists and engineers around the western world comes back to china. It's staggering and suicidal not to take china tech achievement seriously.
Actually this aircraft is better than US F-18 in term of aerodynamic.
@@f-35lightningii6 go away… 2 of your family just died.. the F35 B & F35 C… well better get ready as there will be more….lol
@@f-35lightningii6 Flanker aerodynamics are undisputedly very good. How good comeparef to the Super Hornet? Idk, but it had always been known to be one of the best.
@@regizeelement8511 I'm sure you'd appreciate J15 is Junk15, F18 is Formidable18.
Compared to the US F/A-18s (both the Hornet and newer Super Hornet), the J-15 is a heavier aircraft able to carry more weapons and fuel, and it can fly higher and faster. J-15s are also aerodynamically superior to the F/A-18s. However, the Block II Super Hornet has a better radar than the non-updated J-15 currently in service, which is a crucial advantage. The new updated version of the J-15 is going to have a new AESA radar, improved engine, CATOBAR ability and other enhancements. This new version will most likely be superior to the F/A-18s in many critical aspects.
This is two years ago, the new carriers have electromagnetic catapults
U deserve a 1m subs...very objective analysis 👏
Without the new carrier implementing a CATOBAR system then the J-15 is under utilised as it is unable to use its full payload capacity or fuel capacity in order to get off the current Soviet style carriers - it does make sense and I agree with that assessment when u look at the lack of AEWACS aircraft on current carriers (KJ-600) is being developed for the new carrier
However any 4th generation fighter such as the J-15, especially knowing China’s great aviation industry, will be more that prepared for whatever role command requires and they will definitely have a life time upgrade to make sure they keep up with any adversaries so it doesn’t matter what the west thinks as each fighter will have its role and will be able to maximise its ability specified for that role
Thanks dude. I think the aircraft catapult is indeed key, and these are widely expected to be installed on the Type 003. Some people are advocating for catapults to be installed on the current ski jump carriers, but i am skeptical whether this will happen.
On the upgrades to the J15, I agree that they will be improved, but the existing airframes likely wouldn't be, because they have been used very intensely for training purposes, and will probably have to be retired soon. But you are correct in the sense that the new J15s that is being produced will be upgraded with CATOBAR compatibility and AESA radars. We actually got some concrete info on this version of the J15 very recently. I hope to do a short video on it early next week. Watch this space!
Excuse me, China's great history in aviation? When did that happen?? China was late to the game, hasn't developed a single aircraft (the designs have all been stolen) and your safety record isn't that hot either! So do tell me, when did China become great in Aviation?
Westerners look down on China. To westerners, Warmonger USA has the best fighter plane esp. F22 and F35. No Chinese fighter plane can match their. Too boastful b4 engage with any China fighters planes.
Another good analysis. Thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Didn't an f-35 crashed into south china sea recently during training exercise?
Thats correct, sir
Hahaha 🤣 that was a diving exercise.
It's always good when your enemies underestimate you.
I would say Liaoning is the very first aircraft carrier not even made in China fully. Of course enchanted field for China. It serves in many aspects. Take off and landing are new for pilots in real time. It also provides enormous information to engineers, technicians, opening the leaders' to decide what kind of long term to set. So far we have seen China is capable of fully domestic carrier as Shandong. If you understand the way of Chinese people ,they will be in driving seat in less than two decades. They do not need to have 6/7/8 of them. The level, caliber of rocket force is well known for speed and extreme accuracy, yankees carriers will be kept at bay. Time is on their side. Yankees subs will be hitting seamounts again and again regardless of sea wolf or sea dog.
@@markonw6661 india gonna eat our lunch with their shit stained hands huh
I agree, China does not need eleven carriers. You get a lot more for your defense budget by building advanced missiles. China's missiles are almost on a par with Russian missiles and are ahead of those of America.
I wouldn’t mock/underestimate China…
Look at what they’ve accomplished in the last 20 years
Look at production capacity etc
Beautiful fighters!
GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO 👌👍👍
West has made the classic mistake of underestimating the enemy.
This is unforgivable and never go's unpublished.
What western fans on RUclips say
and what the actual US Military does are two different things.
Its the Chinese and their nationalist
supporters who are underestimating the west,not the reverse. Listening to China you would think they could defeat the combined armed forces of the US
Japan, Australia, UK,France and Taiwan at the push of a button and with no devestating response from the west.
@@TheLAGopher
I don't think anyone in non western countries under estimate the war mentality or utter devastation the west can bring to bare on there chosen enemies.
People of Japan have first hand experience as do Iran Iraq and Libya.
That's why they all wish to have good relations with the west given the choice.
Problem is with the west they look down on other nations want to keep them down and exploit there resources .
Truth is alot of countries have built up enough power and influence in there region to resist and inflict huge damage to your list of countries collective west .
I don't think the Americans can get away with a major war with these powers and come of with no damage like they did with WW2 .This time everyone gets a bloody nose .So only a idiot would start a fight problem is all western politicians are idiots.
J-15 had very few accidents. Of course it is not perfect.
Big and fast fighters. F-35 will have a hard time matching its speed.
You don't have to outrun an f35 ....you have to outrun its missiles
Spot On!. You should study F14 history operating on the aircraft carrier and you would be shocked with the number of crashes and fatalities. PLA J15 is nothing in comparison. Look at F35.....already 3 lost in less than 3 years in South China Sea. One from Japan, the other from UK and the recent one in USA. 3 crashes in less than 5 years....
First Thing First! Only recently are China using Aircraft Carriers thus wait for accidents in the near Future to happen and that since its not long China using Carriers yet have reports of 2 aircraft crashes than one can only imagine how many will in the long run.
@@alfredawomi2340 It is nearly a decade they operated the J15...it is a safe fighter jet.
@@alfredawomi2340 Have you ever looked into historical data when other nations first started aircraft carriers a century ago? Not only were Chinese accidents slightly lower than the west currently, they were far lower compared when the west was new and inexperienced when it comes to carrier operations.
The tomcat ingested its own engine once very publicly on film doing a “fly-pass” Western attempts to paint other countries weaponry should merely be acknowledged as propaganda. Weaponry world wide is evening up at an unprecedented pace due to sensor advances and information sharing. You don’t have to spend 860 billion a year to get good leverage from indigenous systems these days.
In otherward..Taiwan messed up US judgements... Hahahaha..
J-15 is a plane under constant development..so..how people can mock down a plane under further development and modifications?!
The same way people mock the
F-35 for its issues even while it is also under further development.
PAPER TIGER! A cheap copy of an obsolete Soviet aircraft. Regardless of whether the Chinese can actually put their Type 003 carrier to sea with a functional catapult, the J-15 will never be able to carry a useful payload or have the range to pose a threat to any maritime power.
Yes, skyjump has limitation in term of aircraft load capacity, but the main important issue is, how china accelerate and compete US aircraft carrier like nimitz class can launch aircraft with 120 sorties per day and gerald ford class with 160 sorties per day
The new 003 fujian carrier now uses electronic catapults and removed the skijump
@@Dmitri_Donskoy relax... 003 is just a big training vessel... 不用當真😂
The latest J15 has AESA Radar I read.
说的挺好，西方对前苏联库兹涅佐夫级也存在过类似的误解，其实滑跃甲板能否满载起飞却决于是否是从重载起飞点起飞，还有当前的甲板风力，典型三代机推重比其实都可以满足起飞条件，不存在su33或J15在滑跃甲板绝对不能满载起飞的问题。
Glad you liked it, and you made very interesting parallels between the Type 001/002 and the Admiral Kuznetsov!
@@EurasiaNaval
In fact, the information that 002 can carry 36 J-15 is basically false. In fact, the leaders of the shipyard quoted the data on the Chinese Internet in an interview with reporters, which was not the real data. There was a deviation in the follow-up media reports, which did not explain that the data was quoted from the data on the Internet, resulting in a closed loop in the dissemination of information. Compared with 001, the increase of the actual carrying capacity of 002 is very limited, because the overall design is the same as 001, but the location of the original anti-ship missile launcher is changed to the hangar. In fact, this space is not large enough to accommodate 12 J-15 (001 is not equipped with anti-ship missiles, and the corresponding location is changed to the naval cabin)
J15 is a very huge fighter
甲板风到30节苏33都能从短起飞点几乎满载起飞，歼15推重比要高一点点，而且辽宁舰和山东舰保养的比毛子的库兹涅佐夫好太多了，满载起飞不算啥难题，除非甲板顺风😂
10:00 you hear some pharmacies required to charge insurance costumers more than just walk in pay direct
Awesome China , keeping up and keep doing what you are doing China will be alright now and the future
Hope china changes government.
@@NineSeptimsare you against efficient government that looks after its people and provides for them?
lmfao dont even@@garrycoleman8537
The US lost a F-35 in the South China Sea when it fell off the carrier. LOL.
Any news on the J-15B?
Unlike other flankers (J11 series, J16 series) use WS-10. J-15 still uses the AL31F as the main engine. AL31F has become the only engine that China currently still buying from Russia. Not quite sure if J-15T is still going to use the AL31F, since rumor says that it is going to use WS-10. WS-10 was very bad in the early years of development (maybe around 2012), to prove the usage of WS-10, there was a time when the Chinese flankers like J11B used two different engines on one jet, one was AL31F, and another was WS-10. After WS-10 finally achieved its original goal of design, the buying of AL31F quickly decreased to only J15. And then there were rumors saying AL31F is a kind of balanced trade exchange between China and Russia, it is not because the PLA Navy has no choice (Their J11BGH use WS-10), but because the Lyulka design bureau needs to have customer's order to maintain their company's running, especially after 2014. But now Russia is at War, and the production has all shifted for that, and now it is very hard for the Lyulka to provide the AL31F to China stable since their production is all now serve to the War. so it is very possible that the J15T is going to use WS-10. These early type J15 will continue to use AL31F until the Navy is out of storage, and then shift to WS-10 or some other Chinese engine that time. I don't think PLA will just decommission these J-15 quickly, maybe these J-15 will still serve on Liaoning or Shandong for a long time, or maybe transfer to the Navy school. PLA usually don't just waste any jets as long as there is the possibility to upgrade them.
Doesn't mention pl15 missile. Is this video outdated? Hard to keep up with china's military with such rapid iterative development in a lot of areas.
I specifically said near the beginning of this video I am not looking at the recent upgraded version, which are not yet in service. This video discusses a specific issue, which I clarified at the start. I don't we should call this vid outdated, because it is not intended to cover what you have in mind.
If you are looking for a video on the new J-15 variant that was shown in mid December, go check out my other video made specifically on that.
Chinese media was harsh on the j15 too, they called it the flopping fish.
The J-15 is obviously a Chinese flanker and as long as they have good engines, they will do well.
Wait til the Chinese show the ultimate weapon! A wave gun will decimate troop in mass, not bullets one by one.
Sometimes being underestimated gives you advantage.
Are you sure it was ridiculed and criticized more than the F35 ?... I think every plane has it's own fans and "non-fans" Depends on what makes the news and when it does...
I think that because this is an English language RUclips channel, which has few if any Chinese viewers or subscribers, many viewers and commenters have a bias against China, so the number of negative comments will likely be much higher than if this was a Chinese social media channel.
A lot of people outside of China are either ignorant of how advanced China really is, or they overstate the combat experience of some western nations compared to the PLA's combat experience.
Plain old anti China attitudes is also probably a large part of the negative comments unfortunately.
The liaoning is only a training carrier
I don’t understand why China built the 002 Shangdong. It’s basically a larger version of 001 Liaoning with the same limitations of a ski ramp. Should have built 002 as a modern catapult carrier.
For training navy pilots in real time situation.
@@sammychow5238 They still could train navy pilots had the 002 was a catapult carrier. Unless they hadn’t the technology of steam or electro magnetic catapults.
They needed to see /experience the air craft carrier process. Chinese is methodical in their process.
003 is the catapult carrier, step by step.
001 Liaoning was not being built from scratch, it was built in 1986 as Kuznetsov-class later renamed as "Varyag ", China purchased it and refurbished it and renamed as Liaoning. So 002 Shandong was the 1st carrier built from scratch.
@EurasiaNaval The perceived weakness of the J-15 has nothing to do with its aerodynamic or kinetic strengths. It has to do with the ski jump. The ski jump results in high centripetal forces acting on the wings of the J-15 as it accelates upward. The only way to prevent damaging the wings being damaged is to limit the stores to light weight missiles.
Wow! Taiwan is winning just like Ukraine is winning? The worst thing to enter combat with is an underestimation of the enemy. Taiwan will learn as Ukraine is learning.
The new J-15 will be a great aircraft with the AESA radar and latest AAMs.
Excellent video; thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Never underestimate
just wait until the type 003 aircraft carrier, ie; Fujian supercarrier, is in active service with their new stealth carrier jet the J-35.....🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
ALL are Indigenously built by CHINA.
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Looks like it might possibly beat the ol' Saratoga and Yorktown... not so sure about beating the Essex class carriers.
Now it can finally operate with full capacity onboard China’s new carrier
The problem is not the J-15. I am sure J-15 is pretty capable. The issue is the carrier. So far China is still using STOBAR carrier. In order for Chinese navy to utilize full potentials of J-15 they need CATOBAR carrier.
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Let’s just say that *”nothing can ever beat the F14 and 15 that Tom Cruise’s was piloting and nothing ever will”*. Final!
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What if we put tom cruise in a j-15??
That’ll do the job I suppose…
But I much rather a few sexy looking Chinese fantasising blonde, brunette, or some redhead doing the co-piloting or manning the missile launching joysticks with the dazzling Fan Bing Bing or the mesmerizing Zhao Wei Wei or even the sweet looking Ruby Lin at the Helm🤩.
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So... four J-15s crashed since 2016 and the western world immediately jeers & calls it the flopping fish. Well, since 2019 three F-35s have already crashed at sea.
Out of curiosity, can the F-35 take off with a full load of fuel + full combat load from HMS Queen Elizabeth's ski ramp?
No, HMS QE uses F35 B VT
Only 2 J15 crashed, the others were incidents but not crashed. F-35B has a much smaller fuel tank than A and C varient, so even if it can takeoff at max weight, it will still have a very limited range.
UK’s carrier uses ski jump ramps!?
Yes.
Yes sir… same issues… but they are newly built… 2 summore lol
that's why they can only launch F35Bs instead of F35Cs
How can aircraft launch off of a ski jump compared to a catapult? I would think that the ski jump would slow the aircraft rather than make it speed up. What kind of fuzzy physics is going on there? Also, doesn't the ski jump limit what kind of aircraft can fly off of that carrier? ....whereas a catapult can be adjusted for lighter or heavier aircraft. Yes?
The plane is not the problem. It's launching from a ski jump...
The problem of Liaoning is not its plane, but it's steam engines. Steam engines needs time to heat up.
Basically, Liaoning needs about 30 minutes to heat up and prepare it self and gain speed to be combat ready. While other carriers like nuclear or gas turbines only need half of the time.
Liaoning is really vulnerable when in docked.
China needs an replacement engine.
PL-8 is also not as good as PL-10.
China main naval offensive weapons are submarines. Aircraft carriers serve as backups
Every carrier is an easy target when docked, and nuclear power is also steam engine, it just uses nuclear fuel instead of oil to heat up the water.
I'm sure it's a very competent fourth gen fighter. Do I think it stands a chance against an F-22 or F-35? Absolutely not. The J-20 might at least in certain conditions although it's not a true stealth jet.
How is this guy an expert? At the c. 6min. mark, he claims that the ski jump requires that aircraft "expend a considerable amount of internal fuel." That explanation calls all of his claims into question.
You're not listening very carefully, if at all. He was quoting an American article that was criticizing the J15.
THANK YOU FOR THE INFO.
Military establishments in the US/West HAVE NOT ridiculed the J-15. The articles you cited are written by civilians(with no military background), not the Pentagon or the US Air Force/Navy. Read DIA's report to congress for (unclassified) insight into what the DOD thinks of the J-15.
F-35 fly only mark 1.3 talking about terrible jet. F-35 carrying capacity is much lower. What are they comparing with ?
Not so long ago, China was laughed at about their product quality, from white electronic goods, cars, toys, ... even 10 years ago a banking exec was saying China was a follower in payment industry. Well, look at what happen. China has knocked out Japanese electronic giants, Alipay & Wechat pay become leaders in the industry (globally), most recently exporting electric cars that even rivaling Tesla (praised & admited by Musk himself), highspeed trains, proprietary passenger widebody jets that will take on Boeing & Airbus... as for military. China's first aircraft carrier was launched in 2012, the 2nd indigenious version in 2017, and the 3rd China-made (with electronic catapult) in 2022 (to be in service by 2025), ... And China has only just started.
额讲真j15确实不算先进。它是为了解决有无问题，从特殊渠道搞来了前苏联的舰载机作技术原型，大量应用成熟技术，在短时间内设计出来的。中国海军理想的舰载机应该是fc31上舰，并以近年来的技术成就对j15作技术升级。
Let’s look at the incredibly negligent manner in which western ‘superpowers’ have lost unimaginable aircraft. It’s a miracle and reflective of advanced Chinese technologies that only 2 planes were lost over 12 years.
It's good that the USA military experts ridicule China's hardware so that they would be caught off guard during any real encounter...China will persevere and overtake US in due course. Jiayou.
The SU-33..😮😮
Well US F-35 had records of crash. But J-15 doesn't have record of crash.
This already tell the basic engine capability and avionics.
I think the development of the J 15 program is not right. Heavy fighters are not needed by modern aircraft carriers. The USA, Russia, France, India have long switched to light fighters such as the super hornet F 18, Mig 29K and Rafale-M. For example, a Russian aircraft carrier can fit 36 Su 33 (similar to J 15), and almost twice as many Mig 29K, when the Mig 29k is almost as capable as the Su 33. China should develop a light carrier-based fighter based on the J 10, it is well suited for this.
I think what you said is basically right, although I don't think the J-10 is suitable for carrier use. China is developing the J-35, which will be much smaller than the J-15 and with VLO designs, similar to the F-35C. That said, there's a role for heavier fighters even in the US Navy in the form of the F-18, as the latter can carry a heavier payload of anti-ship weapons and greater operational range, although for air cover the light fighters are better. The J-10 I do not think is suitable for carrier conversion, particularly for STOBAR ships that demands greater engine performance, and having only a single engine makes taking-off difficult from ski-ramps. Twin engine configuration also provides the reliability for naval aviation operations.
@@EurasiaNaval The J 10 is light, and it doesn't need a very powerful engine for a normal takeoff from a springboard. The J 35 is a 5th generation fighter, which is why their cost and production speed are deteriorating, which is why China will have to make up most of the air group from the 4th generation anyway. And I'm not sure if the J 35 will be able to take off with Type 001 and 001A. The J 15 and Su 33 are good planes, but they are very limited in quantity. It would seem that they are only two meters longer, but they fit almost twice as much, I don't know how China will solve this problem, and whether it will solve it at all.
@@EurasiaNaval Of course, it's a bit contradictory, because if the J 15B is used from a catapult, it will be able to better reveal all its qualities (yes, it can perform them from a springboard, but a little worse) and its characteristics will be much better than the F 18 (I'm not criticizing the F 18, it's a very good aircraft). But the F 18 can be based on an aircraft carrier more, and it's a little unclear what to give preference to for an aircraft carrier.
@@EurasiaNaval perhaps a little off topic, but in the Soviet Union and Russia, options were considered for the full disclosure of the potential of the springboard. That is, the planes were designed so that they could work well from a springboard with the same efficiency as from a catapult. For example, the Soviet Su 33 and Mig 29k have a special engine mode that makes it very powerful during takeoff, which allows the aircraft carrier to take off at any speed with full, and even overload combat load. And it basically turned out. Also, the use of the Yak 44 AWACS aircraft (an analogue of the American Grumman E-2 Hawkeye) was considered from the springboard, which was equipped with twin blades and powerful engines, which made it possible to take off even from the springboard without much effort, but due to the financial crisis in the 80s, the project was not completed, and in Russia they have not yet returned to it.
J-15 is huge and heavy fighter jets. It's not suitable for fighter but as bomber.
Better built smaller and medium sizes fighter jets with powerful engines like J-17, J-10 & J-35.
Very informative. Can you say whether could it be possible to modify the Indian Su-30MKI into a naval fighter with stronger landing gears (for CATOBAR) and folding wings by the Indian Hindustan Aeronautics Limited or not. And how good fighter that would be ?
Thanks man. Unfortunately I don't know anything about that plane
India would be better off adopting the su-33 which is designed for carriers.
SU30MKi is from grand dad SU27. SU33 is from SU27. Why waste money and time to modify the SU30. Just buy SU33 from Russia and have the electronics upgraded!.
The worst is, can ask China to sell to India to cut cost and time. Further China also offer J15 to Russia for sale too...
@@yours_sincerely48 Better to see if Russia can supply a new su-33 with electronically scanning radar and the new engine that was designed for the su-57.
@@johnbodman4504 In production you need quantity or else the production cost will be exhorbhitant. Russia don't have many aircaft carrier and just to make 20 plus units are prohibitive high. Best is to buy from China and China knew it and offer to sell their J15 to Russia.
It Will be An Honour to go on A Debate with you on this Subjects do for The World to Hear and See. BUT with Points Backed by Facts!
Chinese media called this jet.... floppy fish.
What about adding rockets to assist the take off of such planes, like the Mig-21?
They are called JATOS.. Not safe for use on carriers.
In combat rule no 1 do not understimate your enemy might be surprise you nations are familiar bout US armament so there's a possibility to imitate the weapons and making better and advance by innovation .
Its just a su33 or27 old jet from the 70ieds how good can it be
Bet you would not say the same for the fleet of aging USS Grandpa Class aircraft carrier.
These jets are as good as SU-27s but one major weakness.... engine reliability which they should look into and improve overtime...
Good for Chinese combat capabilities to be underestimated
It's roughly analogous to the Russian Su-30.
It looks like a Russian jet with Chinese name tag 😂😂