They let Druid be bad for like… a month or 2 (Whizbang’s workshop) after being the best or 2nd class in standard 2-3 years straight and people lost their shit about losing their ramp cards so immediately next set, they gave the babies back their bottle and here we are again, with this nonesense.
I'll be honest here. I think the damage is already done, with no real way to close the metaphorical pandoras box again. So many people have already moved on from Hearthstone and don't intend on returning, especially with the insanity and powerful level reaching highs that no one ever wanted. The Demon Seed WILL be broken again because unless if each stage costs an obscene amount of life to trigger each stage, it will always become broken again over time. Ramp Druid is just sad, because I used to love the deck for slamming down big imposing minions that demand answers. Hell I still play Jungle Giants Druid because its what I think of as the most interesting way to do so. Now its just that but made broken in ways that makes it less fun and genuinely frustrating to go up against.
1. The fact that they even JOKE in the patch notes about how many times they've nerfed Zilliax and that they'll likely have to nerf it again...points for honesty I guess... 2. Pirate DH and Demon Seed got *facked* so I'd say this was a good patxh at the end if the day. But, I also agree with people who are saying its too little and too late. The damage is alredy done. Unless completely reworked, The Demon Seed WILL be broken again sooner or later. This is like putting a lit lavender-scented candle in a bathroom that smells like crap. You didn't fix the problem, you just made the room not smell as bad....
I think I fully understand why most quests are not fun to play with and against: it always in your mulligan, it always requests you to play same certain cards and quest rewards are guaranteed win. So it's a sort of otk combo deck with great consistency. Otk combo decks are known to be polarising. No one wants to play "rock paper scissors" in hearthstone. Good decks that are fun and balanced have multiple win conditions, so player can adapt to matchups and randomness, which makes gameplay different every time.
While Darkglare was overpowered, I feel like slapping a yugioh-esque "once per turn" on the effect would keep the card as being the same card but worse. This... is just a new card and I'm not a fan of when you do that.
The Hearthstone team rediscovering why *Charge* is difficult to balance and why other card games have *"once per x"* clauses to control the potential of abusable cards is definetly something....
Control Rogue does exist in standard with Tar Slick + Health Drink for a ton of healing. Like the synergy is there, it's just that there are stronger strategies. Talgath still looks bad and I don't think it would see play, especially when Tar Slick exists. So if you're gonna buff a useless Legendary to still suck, why not buff Uluu (stacking effects) or Gorm (awakening sooner)?
Finally, holy hell. Now I don't have to listen to every asshole telling me "Demon Seed and Painlock aren't even that bad" after being in Diamond 5 hell of nothing but Pirate rogues, Pirate DH, and Painlocks. If only they did it sooner I might care a bit more.
just play elemental mage its one of the cheapest decks to make and games end in like 5min so u can play out like 10games in an hour. iv been playing for 2 months and hit the highest rank with that deck both seasons or w.e u call them. dungar druid is still busted too thats my back up deck.
@@jpkush5198 I mean that's swell and all but I'd rather play what I'd like to play instead of whatever will deal with problems the fastest or most efficiently.
Shaman (somehow didn't get nerfed XD) dominates standard currently. The Sonya rogue deck was abysmal to play vs even against bad players because getting multiple Griftah amulets is just game winning on its own (hunter) on top of doing the other shit rogue can do. Dungar druid is literally a point and click adventure game you play green cards and make actually 0 decisions, worlds exemplified this a lot. Starship warlock / infinite warrior are definitely cool but weren't really playable on ladder. Pirate DH actually just had infinite damage and infinite cards for an aggro deck which is absurd, and do not get me started on paladinstone
@@FlareIsGone I think shaman got hit decently hard (2 of the best performing cards in the deck got hit). Besides that I'm wondering what a good meta is in your opinion? This meta was skill dependend with little openers that outright won the game leading to interesting games where decisions mattered (notable exception dungar druid in which I completely agree with you).
@@tauntischeat8931It has been really fun to play standard last couple of expansions. I'm able to climb with control value rogue decks (which flare says aren't a thing) and tar slick is such a good and creative standard card. He just doesn't seem to play standard at all and is fueled by rage because wild is faster and faster
Honestly I don't even understand this nerf. The problem with Demon Seed wasn't the speed, but the fact that it could go infinite unavoidable 30 damage each turn either with Mass Prod or Fatigue. Giants could be dealt with, Darkglare could be removed before it could do much, but putting your slothful Controllish opponent on a time limit is what's actually unfair. He either had to lethal you on turn 5 (as a control deck lol, gl with that) or counter evil with more evil and play Aggro Priest. But in retrospect, as a Warlock player, I'm fine with ANY nerf taking place. Who knows, maybe people finally remember my favourite archetype (Evenlock) is as good as ever?
I think that demon seed will still have close to 100% win rate against slower decks. It's just slower now, but as frustrating as it was. It must either be banned or reworked. No one deserves to play against this nonsense.
If pain warlock is ever a thing I think so, it’s now just one of many medium size minions you can get for free by doing something. but it doesn’t make the archetype anymore
the fact that they let demon seed, a card that singlehandedly drove players away (& from a corporate perspective, money) be relevant for so long seems pretty counterintuitive to the Blizzard plan considering how greedy they are. but i guess alls well that ends wel?
"There are no non-darkglare versions of the deck" well yeah, but there might be after it gets nerfed. They wanna preempt that. Though I guess the fatigue version died with Mass Production. Maybe an XL version?
@@ultimatewinfestation7194 Of course it is dead. Seedlock would either have to be without darkglare or not exist at all. The point is that since non-darkglare versions have been possible in the past, they want to nerf the stages of the questline to make them weaker as well.
@@DvirPick The quest will most likely go back to it’s fatigue roots. I doubt the quest is going to die because it’s clown on slower non combo decks but it’s a lot more niece now.
Tbh demon seed is probably still broken. The swing turns of 2 8/8s, a 4/4, a 3/4, etc turn 4 are gone which is massive but you will still take infinite damage. They made it more of a combo deck instead of some tempo combo deck but it's still very polarizing to fight against
I feel like without darkglare there isnt anything they can do combo-wise that's all that scary. Anything reliable probably wouldn't kill until like turn 8 or 9, which seems wayy too slow for a wild combo deck.
I mean, the deck is probably still gonna be good, but it’s gonna be much more in line with everything else, at least. You at least have more time to kill them before they complete it.
I honestly like Zilliax in all of his variations. I wish they would just retire him early so that I could still enjoy him in wild without all the nerfs
I stopped playing hearthstone before they nerfed my deck (questlock), so I don't actually care about what they do. I'll still watch you vids, tho. I enjoy your content.
I've completely stopped playing hearthstone once again since because Pokemon tcg pocket came out. New card games, with a very limited pool and early meta, are the best way to enjoy the game.
ziliax is the most designed card and as a result the worst designed card lol, kinda reminds me of the issues with genn and baku where having such a broad design space si tough
you are obviously a nu-player. I play ssb as well, its easy to spoy a nu-smasher. they dont understand the point of the game, because the point of the game has changed due to dev decisions in the modern 2024 game-o-sphere. I miss early 2000s games man... only games left are sims, due to inability to monetize. (corekeeper, minecraft, terreria, factorio, satisfactory, transport tycoon, etc)
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They let Druid be bad for like… a month or 2 (Whizbang’s workshop) after being the best or 2nd class in standard 2-3 years straight and people lost their shit about losing their ramp cards so immediately next set, they gave the babies back their bottle and here we are again, with this nonesense.
Ww druid in wild was one of the best decks ever with twig druid so it wasn't actually ever bad
druid wasn't even bad LOL
also, druid was the best class for literally every single patch of hearthstone's existence
...you know that sets are in design and developement for multiple years right?
I'll be honest here. I think the damage is already done, with no real way to close the metaphorical pandoras box again. So many people have already moved on from Hearthstone and don't intend on returning, especially with the insanity and powerful level reaching highs that no one ever wanted. The Demon Seed WILL be broken again because unless if each stage costs an obscene amount of life to trigger each stage, it will always become broken again over time. Ramp Druid is just sad, because I used to love the deck for slamming down big imposing minions that demand answers. Hell I still play Jungle Giants Druid because its what I think of as the most interesting way to do so. Now its just that but made broken in ways that makes it less fun and genuinely frustrating to go up against.
1. The fact that they even JOKE in the patch notes about how many times they've nerfed Zilliax and that they'll likely have to nerf it again...points for honesty I guess...
2. Pirate DH and Demon Seed got *facked* so I'd say this was a good patxh at the end if the day. But, I also agree with people who are saying its too little and too late. The damage is alredy done. Unless completely reworked, The Demon Seed WILL be broken again sooner or later.
This is like putting a lit lavender-scented candle in a bathroom that smells like crap. You didn't fix the problem, you just made the room not smell as bad....
They forgot to post about all those twist balance changes they made... Right?...
I think I fully understand why most quests are not fun to play with and against: it always in your mulligan, it always requests you to play same certain cards and quest rewards are guaranteed win. So it's a sort of otk combo deck with great consistency. Otk combo decks are known to be polarising. No one wants to play "rock paper scissors" in hearthstone.
Good decks that are fun and balanced have multiple win conditions, so player can adapt to matchups and randomness, which makes gameplay different every time.
While Darkglare was overpowered, I feel like slapping a yugioh-esque "once per turn" on the effect would keep the card as being the same card but worse. This... is just a new card and I'm not a fan of when you do that.
The Hearthstone team rediscovering why *Charge* is difficult to balance and why other card games have *"once per x"* clauses to control the potential of abusable cards is definetly something....
Control Rogue does exist in standard with Tar Slick + Health Drink for a ton of healing. Like the synergy is there, it's just that there are stronger strategies. Talgath still looks bad and I don't think it would see play, especially when Tar Slick exists. So if you're gonna buff a useless Legendary to still suck, why not buff Uluu (stacking effects) or Gorm (awakening sooner)?
Finally, holy hell. Now I don't have to listen to every asshole telling me "Demon Seed and Painlock aren't even that bad" after being in Diamond 5 hell of nothing but Pirate rogues, Pirate DH, and Painlocks. If only they did it sooner I might care a bit more.
just play elemental mage its one of the cheapest decks to make and games end in like 5min so u can play out like 10games in an hour. iv been playing for 2 months and hit the highest rank with that deck both seasons or w.e u call them. dungar druid is still busted too thats my back up deck.
@@jpkush5198 I mean that's swell and all but I'd rather play what I'd like to play instead of whatever will deal with problems the fastest or most efficiently.
@@jpkush5198Are we talking Standard or Wild? Afaik Dungar Druid isn’t that great in wild, and elemental mage isn’t that good either.
i missed you :D
3 years later: they finally nerf again demon seed.
Can you explain why you think the standard meta was so bad? In my opinion the past meta was pretty balanced with a lot of room for innovation.
Shaman (somehow didn't get nerfed XD) dominates standard currently. The Sonya rogue deck was abysmal to play vs even against bad players because getting multiple Griftah amulets is just game winning on its own (hunter) on top of doing the other shit rogue can do. Dungar druid is literally a point and click adventure game you play green cards and make actually 0 decisions, worlds exemplified this a lot. Starship warlock / infinite warrior are definitely cool but weren't really playable on ladder. Pirate DH actually just had infinite damage and infinite cards for an aggro deck which is absurd, and do not get me started on paladinstone
@@FlareIsGone I think shaman got hit decently hard (2 of the best performing cards in the deck got hit). Besides that I'm wondering what a good meta is in your opinion? This meta was skill dependend with little openers that outright won the game leading to interesting games where decisions mattered (notable exception dungar druid in which I completely agree with you).
@@tauntischeat8931It has been really fun to play standard last couple of expansions. I'm able to climb with control value rogue decks (which flare says aren't a thing) and tar slick is such a good and creative standard card. He just doesn't seem to play standard at all and is fueled by rage because wild is faster and faster
Honestly I don't even understand this nerf. The problem with Demon Seed wasn't the speed, but the fact that it could go infinite unavoidable 30 damage each turn either with Mass Prod or Fatigue. Giants could be dealt with, Darkglare could be removed before it could do much, but putting your slothful Controllish opponent on a time limit is what's actually unfair. He either had to lethal you on turn 5 (as a control deck lol, gl with that) or counter evil with more evil and play Aggro Priest.
But in retrospect, as a Warlock player, I'm fine with ANY nerf taking place. Who knows, maybe people finally remember my favourite archetype (Evenlock) is as good as ever?
also demon hunter cards getting nerfed because shaman is too good is possibly the most iconic moment in modern Demon Hunter
its such a pity wild is centered around infinite combos because i just want to play my fun stuff like big warlock and shit
I think that demon seed will still have close to 100% win rate against slower decks. It's just slower now, but as frustrating as it was. It must either be banned or reworked. No one deserves to play against this nonsense.
The restraint on this man to not mention Elemental Lux while talking about Hearthstone this time is insane
It's not about a skin why would I talk about skins
As someone who knows little about wild, will darkglare still be played? I mean it's a free 3/4 but is it even worth putting into the deck?
no its pretty bad
If pain warlock is ever a thing I think so, it’s now just one of many medium size minions you can get for free by doing something. but it doesn’t make the archetype anymore
the fact that they let demon seed, a card that singlehandedly drove players away (& from a corporate perspective, money) be relevant for so long seems pretty counterintuitive to the Blizzard plan considering how greedy they are. but i guess alls well that ends wel?
Leo's design philosophies influencing the game is almost as astronomically detrimental as the monetization under Ben Brode.
"There are no non-darkglare versions of the deck" well yeah, but there might be after it gets nerfed. They wanna preempt that. Though I guess the fatigue version died with Mass Production. Maybe an XL version?
Darkglare is a dead card now because it ni longer allows an insane amount of mana cheating anymore.
@@ultimatewinfestation7194 Of course it is dead. Seedlock would either have to be without darkglare or not exist at all. The point is that since non-darkglare versions have been possible in the past, they want to nerf the stages of the questline to make them weaker as well.
@@DvirPick The quest will most likely go back to it’s fatigue roots. I doubt the quest is going to die because it’s clown on slower non combo decks but it’s a lot more niece now.
woah the new mic really does sound better you sound way completely diffrent
I wonder if they fixed the titans bug
Tbh demon seed is probably still broken. The swing turns of 2 8/8s, a 4/4, a 3/4, etc turn 4 are gone which is massive but you will still take infinite damage. They made it more of a combo deck instead of some tempo combo deck but it's still very polarizing to fight against
You can't do those turns on turn 3 anymore or even like 4/5 so no the deck is pretty dead
I feel like without darkglare there isnt anything they can do combo-wise that's all that scary. Anything reliable probably wouldn't kill until like turn 8 or 9, which seems wayy too slow for a wild combo deck.
I mean, the deck is probably still gonna be good, but it’s gonna be much more in line with everything else, at least. You at least have more time to kill them before they complete it.
well guess what? dungar druid remains meaningfully unchanged!
He's back
Don't know what hurt more to wait for
New Flare vid or questlock nerf
I honestly like Zilliax in all of his variations. I wish they would just retire him early so that I could still enjoy him in wild without all the nerfs
Not enough to get me back in, but I hope it helps those that still play HS.
I dont know why flesh giant is still 10 mana, rip evenlock
I just crafted the demon seed. Not so many wins btw...
I stopped playing hearthstone before they nerfed my deck (questlock), so I don't actually care about what they do. I'll still watch you vids, tho. I enjoy your content.
Let's gooo it's been sooo long wild unplayable
I've completely stopped playing hearthstone once again since because Pokemon tcg pocket came out. New card games, with a very limited pool and early meta, are the best way to enjoy the game.
Also another nerf to demon seed, while valid, ruins the only warlock deck i've enjoyed playing since I came back to the game at the start 2024
150 hours in poe2, i will never download hs again XD, imagine still playing this shit.
QUESTLINE WARLOCK FINALLY NERFED AFTER 3 YEARS... again :D
This man just bought a car, and it seems like he's more happy about the quest line change. I agree, but 😂
Patch is literally a giant weight off my mind cause it means I don't have to rebuild my channel for a whole new game
ziliax is the most designed card and as a result the worst designed card lol, kinda reminds me of the issues with genn and baku where having such a broad design space si tough
Small but good
This deck was so cancer that I preferred to play bad warlock decks than this quest.
Skill issue tbh if you spend more than 10 games or so outside of legend each season
Time to quit the game. Demon Seed was the only fun deck in the game
lol CAPPPP
you will just whine about any meta
Name one good meta in the last year that isn't worth being upset about then prick
you are obviously a nu-player.
I play ssb as well, its easy to spoy a nu-smasher. they dont understand the point of the game, because the point of the game has changed due to dev decisions in the modern 2024 game-o-sphere. I miss early 2000s games man... only games left are sims, due to inability to monetize. (corekeeper, minecraft, terreria, factorio, satisfactory, transport tycoon, etc)
@@FlareIsGone since my point is that you will whine about any meta why would i name anything?
@@FlareIsGone HE spelled Zeddy wrong.
@@АбросимовВладиславРомановичYou conceded your own argument lol
ngl this is still a joke of a patch with a bunch of non nerfs, still gonna hate watch everything hearthstone related
You have bard from league of legends as your pfp.... LEAGUE OF LEGENDS.... No wonder you are toxic XD