@@edwardwindsor2516 it means make the punishment symmetrical to the crime. That doesn't mean the type of sentence that is used in a lot of countries for killing a person, which is a consensus on what is a proportional punishment for said crime that resumes to a number of years in prison, but if you want to be true to what eye for an eye means, then a person should receive the death sentence for killing a person. I believe it has to be common knowledge why that would become a flawed judgement.
@@artorhen at the time the law was written, if someone gouge out your eye, you would gouge out both of his, an then he'd get his brother an gouge out there of your family's eyes, and then you four of his, and so on. Hammurabi was trying to nip that in the bud when he wrote this law.
@@artorhen The problem with the death penalty have less to do with whether it's right and more to do with the fear of getting things wrong. Death, after all, is rather irreversible. And the fear of being wrong in turn makes the process extremely inefficient and expensive as we want to be as certain as we can be, which makes it unfeasible even in an economic sense.
One of my ancestors was an SS officer, another was a german communist who barely survived the concentrations camps. One can not simply blame an entire demographic.
My mother was born in the Cracow Ghetto. The idea of such a revenge plan, and I say this with certainty, would be abhorrent and vile to my grandparents. There would not be a bone in their body that it would resonate with. It's an abomination. In any conflict there are two or more sides to a story. I wouldn't want anyone to ever think say myself, as a Jew, would find anything redeeming in such a perverse idea.
It was the genocidal nature of European Jews at the time that was a major contributing factor to the Holocaust. It’s like Hitler read the book ‘Germany Must Perish’ and then pulled out his Uno Reverse card.
Unfortunately it's the "Quaker" sensibilities (Quakers refuse to fight) that led to 10,000+ Jews being crammed into overflowing train cars and guarded by only *TEN* armed Germans with bolt action rifles. Like cattle shuffling along into the slaughterhouse, the very thing George Washington warned us all about in his farewell address of 1796.
As a pest control specialist, I can tell you why the results were less than spectacular. One because it was glued on the bottom there was so much possibility for poisonous material to be lost. Two bread being ingested at the same time as the poison would actually absorb the poison and spread out the effects making them longer lasting, but less sever. 3 the bottom of the loaf of bread is typically harder, and might have been discarded by many of the prisoners.... And lastly cats are super sensitive to poison, so if they based the dosage of that which was fatal for cats there dosage was off.
If you watched the nazis brutalize your family in a death camp and barely escaped with your own you probably wouldn’t be thinking all that clearly either would you?
“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” wasn’t a call for getting equal revenge. It was a call for moderation amongst men of the same social standing. It should be “only an eye for an eye, and only a tooth for a tooth”.
Yes, they do have empathy. The avengers want the germans to feel the same pain they did. Because isnt empathy like witnessing the same emotions? I just find it interesting
I had never heard this story before. It’s human history repeating itself over and over. In my opinion, once you choose to murder children, even the children of those oppressing you, you’ve crossed a point of no return, and have gone from victim to being the perpetrator. History is full of victims become perpetrators and so the cycle goes on. Vengeance against a perpetrator is understandable but the indiscriminate killing these avengers planned to do was immoral. Like the CIA drone bombing an apartment building risking killing hundreds of civilians maybe to get one Isis terrorist. And yes we should pass judgement on them just as we should the Nazis…and our CIA and Generals.
@WoodPileDenmark Well hitler grew up in poverty, he was jealous of the rich Jews,profiting off of German labour etc and then taking the money out of the country into Swiss banks, and in his mid 20’s he was renting an apartment with a roommate and a female Jewish prostitute who paid part of her rent with service and he caught syphallus from her, and thus that furthered his hate with Jews.
@WoodPileDenmark Most likely a combination of having his life ambitions crushed (He got kicked out of art school), and then moving into the workforce and realizing that he would be working 18 hours days and still going hungry because the German government at the time was still paying reparations for World War 1. A new government was elected who's solution to this was to start selling German public assets. Television stations, banks, hospitals, ect. Fast forward to Hitler's political career and you realize who was buying these assets, because it wasn't people from all over the world, it was a single group. This is quite close in terms of history to the Bolshevik Revolution and the Israelites being kicked out of Russia for manipulating their media and trying to force a coup. They were actually kicked out of 108 countries in 500 years prior to being kicked out of Germany. They were rounding them up to kick them out of the country (why put them in camps, feed them, clothe them and bed them when you can dig holes and shoot them?) when allies started bombing the supply lines which caused massive starvation, even among German troops, so the prisoners were very unwell. They probably clawed at the walls of their enclosures desperately as they starved. This is when Hitler talked to someone who had already though of a solution in the event that the plan went wrong, which was named; "The FINAL solution". Dispose of them.
@WoodPileDenmark Hitler's rise to power was enabled mainly because of how Germany was made the scape goat for WWI and were ripped apart and sent into a huge recession. People who weren't even the perpetrators became the victims of semi-blind vengeance and they just got fed up with this shit after 15 years of living in sever poverty, who would've thought?
If the murder of children is an atrocity, "getting even" will never be justice. The ball has to stop somewhere, even if it leaves a bad taste our mouth.
Maybe that's why we, humanity, need Jesus as our substitute, to take the blows, the Righteous on behalf of the many unrighteous, that the ball might stop with Him. Cycles of revenge have been ongoing in my ancestral homeland of China, between families, between ethnic groups, between regional entities, between any two or more entities. So far, only Jesus has brought true peace to my people. Apart from Jesus, the next best thing is one group of bullies intimidating all the other smaller bullies into not taking their anger out on each other. But that's not a lasting solution the way Jesus' Propitiatory Death is.
@@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385 That line of thinking makes no sense. Nobody in their right mind hast to eat crap in order to appreciate something like chocolate cake just so that they know how delicious cake is. Cake is delicious just by itself. Same thing with good and evil. Good is just good on its own and it doesn’t need to be compared with evil. How would you even do that anyway?
Ironically, if the Jews had carried out this type of revenge, it would have (in the eyes of the Germans) proven Hitler correct in his thesis. Hitler believed that the Jews were part of a shadowy organization that sought the downfall of the German Race, so if something like this happened, then Hitler would have unfathomable influence to this day in modern day German politics.
As Bertrand Russell once said, it''s too often true that, "People seem good while they are oppressed, but they only wish to become oppressors in their turn: life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."
It's not even an eye for an eye. The concept of it was to apply a fitting/equivalent punishment to the person(s) who committed the crime. You can't punish the son for the sins of the father so to speak. Killing innocent people because other people with their same nationality committed crimes against your people isn't eye for an eye. You are just making yourself a criminal and justifying your own execution. I always disliked the expression that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. An eye for an eye doesn't leave the whole world blind, it only doubles the number of people who lose an eye so to speak, and the 2nd one is always the one who first took the eye, not some innocent bystander. If a thief steals from you it is right to make them repay you. It doesn't justify stealing from someone else as two wrongs don't make a right.
I agree, but we’re looking at it in future. It’s history, you have to put yourself there to analyze it, what would you think if you were Jewish during the time of the halocaust? If I was around then, I don’t think I would’ve thought of it as bad or evil idea, but just stupid People were getting ordered and maybe even ordered to ordered to round up you, your family and friends and send them to a “camp” where same thing was going on but it was to kill them. It’s also way easier to kill someone if ordered because you feel like your not doing the killing, I think it was the Friedman experiment that proved how if your ordered to do something evil it’s easier to do it because it feels like someone else is doing it in your head.
I think the saying an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind comes from the fact that seeking revenge in that manner would lead to family feuds in the past that got out of hand. For example a man gets shot, and then a family member of the dead man decides to shoot the person responsible (eye for an eye) but then the family of the person he's killed decides that either their family member was justified to shoot the original man, or innocent, or that it was an accident and he doesn't deserve to be shot for an accident and that they deserve revenge - so one of them goes out and shoots the man who shot the man who shot the original man. Eventually they all end up killing one another, all the while feeling morally justified in their actions because an eye for an eye, right? These days that doesn't happen in most of the world due to how much better law enforcement is, and nobody wants to go to jail even if they feel like they're morally justified to cut out somebodies eye or whatever else but in the past that was a real issue so you can see why they would think a saying like "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" would be a good thing to drill into people to try and avoid these types of escalating feuds.
"you can't punish the son for the sins of the father" someone made this comment before actually looking into hammurabi's code. there is literally laws about killing the son because the father killed someone else's son.
Possibly at numerous other times before that, too, though called something other than 'genocide'. As I understand it (and I could be wrong), what modern scholars argue is that, as a concept, genocide is fairly recent. Meaning, they argue, that when one people set out to "whipe out" another people in antiquity, due to how those in antiquity conceived of "the world" and what, to them, comprised a "people", that what they thought they were doing when "whiping out" a people was also different in their minds. Or, also, that they couldn't conceive that it was remotely possible to kill off an entire people, so when they rid their lands of as many as possible, they knew some had escaped, and assumed there were many more elsewhere, behind some boundary line (a river; a chain of mountains, etc.), but then that they were virtually "completely gone" at least to beyond where they could ever threaten them for some long forseeable future. To me, though, even if they might not have been able to fully conceptualize killing an entire people from the earth, they would have done so, and happily done so, if they could. The Romans, in particular, seemed to harbor this sentiment with regard to the Carthaginians, and appear to have mostly (if not entirely) succeeded in genociding the Etruscans. Saying all of this, I realize that I'm traipsing across the counterfactual dilemma, and that even by modern contexts and definitions, killing off every last member of a people, nor even one group desiring such, is necessary to qualify an event as being a genocide. But I would argue the intent of the Nazis and the Turks would be relatively the same to that of the Romans had the Romans (and other even more ancient peoples) been able to understand the limits of earth, and the concept of a people, in the same way we do currently. Hopefully that made some sense. To be clear, I'm in agreement with you, I'm just going further. But I'm not sure if I'm just spit-balling or actually onto something. If I'm not, please set me straight. I just had a thought, inspired by your comment, and wished to examine it.
Sadly it keeps happening, Yes, there is Armenia, yes there is the Holodomor, but even those are only the tip of the iceberg. What about non-Han groups in China? What about the Khmer Rogue? What about Kosovo? What about the japanese occupation in east asia? What about the american and australian natives? Sometimes it's the attempt to remove an ethnicity, sometimes their culture.
Damn, I never knew of this plan. I mean, I can totally understand the want for revenge, but doing the same thing to other mostly innocent people is crazy. As they say "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"
I can imagine, if this revenge plan was actualy happening. How germany would respond to that. Pretty dang sure it would spark a whole new war all over again.
@@cherrydragon3120 Not only Germany remember that allied soldiers were stationed in Germany and would had ended up dead as well it would had turned the entire world against Jews like never before and this time with reason. It would had been the death of the Jewish state before it even began. In short the results would had been catastrophic for the Jewish people first and foremost.
I'd argue that the greatest, most brutal Jewish revenge plot of all time was Mel Brooks making the number _"Springtime for Hitler"_ in _The Producers._
3:22 A survivor of Auschwitz, Kitty Hart, had said that she wanted to kill a German with her own hands as soon as she was able to. She, and a band of helpers, got some Germans cornered in a kitchen. The others around her were shouting words of encouragement, reminding her of what she had said she wanted to do. However, all Kitty Hart could see was some very frightened people and she decided that she wasn't going to hurt any of them. She emigrated to the UK, and I'm very proud to say that she moved to a place which is close to where I live, and she became an X-ray Technician in a large hospital here! She has made a film of her giving a guided tour of Auschwitz to some young ladies who were the same age as her when she was liberated - just 15 years old. The years of suffering she had to endure, you just can't imagine how she managed to live through it. We should listen to the testimony of survivors like Kitty Hart, whilst they are still with us.
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Eye for an eye is one of the most misunderstood/misused quotes in history. it was mean to *limit* the lengths of retaliation/punishment, not advocate mass murder. This is probably nothing new though - the fact it was misused even in ancient times is why many people think Jesus had to address it directly.
@@dekishajones282 If you were referring to how half of the bible is the same as parts of the Jewish holy text, that's easy enough to explain - Christianity was literally a splinter sect of Judaism. Most of the early church (including the apostles) were Jewish, considered themselves Jewish and were seen as a sect of Judaism by outsiders. The two groups didn't really split into "separate" religions until quite a bit later than I think people realize. Calling that Plagarism would be like calling the American use of the English language Plagarism - the settlers didn't copy it, they brought it with them because that's where a lot of them came from (yes obviously not all of them spoke English, but you get the point I'm trying to make). Also I wasn't trying to make any statements about Jesus vs. Judaism or anything like that, I was just pointing out that it was addressed at all by anyone means it was probably an issue people knew of at the time.
@@dustmystic291 I'm pretty sure they were referencing how the Old Testament/Tora copied significant amounts of older mythology. Akkadian, Sumerian, Hittites and so on. Especially Genesis.
@@Alias_Anybody Again though, the same concept I mentioned earlier applies. Almost all cultures and religions are the product/influenced by both their neighbors and those that came before them. For example, concepts like angels or similar beings coming down to earth were what people generally believed in the region (several other non-Abrahamic religions still do even now) and almost every culture has a great flood narrative - when people build their cities in arable floodplains, a flood is the most common disaster the inhabitants can relate to.
Nakam remains one of the most fascinating stories from the immediate aftermath of the war. As despicable as their goals were, it makes me wonder: what meaning does morality even hold for a person when you witnessed your family, friends, community and people massacred? When you've seen so much death and so much misery, does adding more into the world even feel like much of a difference?
@@karlwikman3874 well said vengeance brings nothing but misery and we all know misery loves company and it is indiscriminate on who it chooses This plot was never justified, but I can understand the reasoning When you loose literally everything as many of the survivors of the atrocity did your emotions are in a whirl and you can find yourself having nothing left to the point that your moral compass is effectively broken beyond belief
@@rejvaik00 In that regard both the Jews and the Ethnic Germans fall into that Category. The Jews and the Ethnic Germans both lost everything they loved and both suffered beyond belief, so i would not have blamed those Ethnic Germans for taking revenge on Polish or Czechoslovak or any Civilians they came across, after what those Germans Suffered through.
You then become the very monster you saw slaughter men women and children. We can understand what motivated them to this darkness. But it almost sounds like you justify those acts. Two wronged never make a right, anf anyone who kills children in the name or vengeance is no better than the natzis.
@@Wilhelm322 Germans have nothing to take revenge over against the Czechs and Poles, anything they did in order to survive and punish the Germans was justified, and it was rarely severe either. I believe every person who voted for the NSDAP should have been removed as they had lost their humanity so eagerly, and thus should be treated as animals for condemning hundreds of millions to death simply for their race and religion.
While I understand the sentiment, I am so thankful that this never happened. It would have been a colossal mistake of history, causing more misery and hate, and would probably descend into a downward spiral of revenge which continued until both peoples completely eliminated each other.
Honestly the Germans probably would have won. The European Jewish contributed to the war effort, but ultimately it was won because the Brits stepped in sucking us Americans in and giving the French a chance at bouncing back We all came together and agreed WW2 could never have been justified and were ready to pay in peace time to make sure nobody ever has to suffer a war like that again, which would have left those Jewish alone at best and more likely fighting the risen supers
The Khmer Rouge basically did a holocaust on their own population in the 70s. You can’t say that none have happened since, despite how awful it was because of Cambodia just 3 decades later
To lose your family like that is indescribable - to perpetuate the same crime against innocent people is to join the perpetrators and the fact that you know exactly how their relations will feel makes you an even bigger monster.
You call them innocent; they would call the Germans (all Germans) unindicted co-conspirators or accomplices before and after the fact. They would be wrong, but tell Morganthau that.
@@Egilhelmson that would be no different than saying All americans are guilty for the crimes committed by american and allied forces since the civil war. The Laws protecting non combatant civilians were approved by all nations well before ww2 and ignored by all sides after the bullets started flying. The only one to successfully go against the plans of the warmongers was the US General in Korea that shortened the war by years and saved hundreds of thousands of civilians and men in uniform. No, blaming civilians is no more than making them into scapegoats to protect the real guilty parties.
@@Egilhelmson Interestingly enough the Taliban use this exact same thought manipulation to perpetuate their own crimes of terror and violent oppression. Seems they share some common ground after all.
@@Egilhelmson well, its a good thing Morganthau didnt get his way, and Marshall did. As a result one is remembered as Americas best and finest and the other isnt remembered at all.
Being one of the groups victim of a genocide is no "excuse" to even think about starting one. It never was, it never will be. That stance was utterly immoral.
@@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 I also agree but I also did not watch my family and loved ones get murdered / tortured / experimented on / treated like something less than a rat...
FWIW, the image shown at the beginning 0:13 is not actually of Hamurabi, but rather of Shamash or Marduk. Hamurabi is always depicted with a tight, round cap with a tall brim. The mistake is forgivable as it is actually also mistakenly labelled this way in the US capitol building.
Another Simon channel to follow... I'm starting to think our benevolent host is the most advanced AI ever created who records videos at 10x to be able to keep all 75 channels going. Whatever the formula is, you nailed it Simon!
Simon is not running tons of channels all by himself of course, rather he acts as an actor and public face for lots of different channels run by otherwise different people. There are multiple different writers writing for their own informational channels, and Simon turns their scripts into videos.
I'm an Israeli Jew, I knew of this plot, and it brings me much 2nd hand embarrassment. That my people would stoop to the level of monsters in a vain belief that more blood would satisfy them. I'm glad more people will learn of it, so that they learn the pointlessness and futility of such a desire. Though I worry people will twist it to paint my Kin as equally bad or something. Thanks Simon for bringing it to light as though I might feel some embarrassment I recognize that it's good for people to know of it
@@GeorgTheGr8 Sure thing, so I should alter the laws of sovereign nations which I don't hold citizenship in to prevent citizens of other nations which I don't hold citizenship in from immigrating purely on the basis of their race, right? And how would I do that?
Never heard about this before. Thanks for covering. This and the Hooton plan certainly got buried from common knowledge. It's good to be reminded of why it's a bad idea to assign guilt based on groups
@@michaelpettersson4919 you could literally say this about yourself now, you think our apathy towards neo liberal globalized chattel slavery is gonna look good in 3000? when we were complaining about neo nazis when the world was literally #@$king melting because of the life we were sucking out of it for (not even) our own benefit?, yeah... I'm sure your SOooooo concerned about human well-being.ヾ(*´∀｀*)ﾉ
@@crf80fdarkdays Few knew and as such cannot be blamed just for joining especially not with conscription in mind. The SS however didn't start to conscript people until near the end of the war and before that it also functioned essentially as Germany's foreign legion with many people who wasn't into it for the national socialist politics but for a chance to fight the communists. Finally when it come to actual acts of genocide, something even the army participated in occasionally, those doing the actual killings could opt out on participation. So those that took part in those actions did do despite an option not to.
@@terrysanders5109 Yes, the Palestinians don't have any empathy or even any self worth. They support a terrorist group that couldn't care less what they brought to their people and hide luxury apartments in Qatar and in tunnels while the people are meant to fend for themselves. They tear water pipes out of the ground to build rockets and store weapons in nurseries. And yet, the Palestinian people support them, why? Because they want revenge above all else, even if it means killing their own children.
@@Wilhelm322 No German was innocent. Very simple. Men and women were criminals. And given what they did to millions of Jewish children, I couldn't care less about their kinder.
@@patriciabrenner9216 Okay i’m a Jewish German so i don’t get sympathy because i’m German? What about the Jewish People killed by Allied Bombing in German Cities? The Allies Bombed Würzburg killing many Jewish Children there. My Family was Jewish and i lost nearly my entire Family in WW2 and i can tell you none of them did anything to deserve that fate.
I can truly say I had never heard of this incident until today. What a fascinating (and somewhat horrifying) story. Thank you "Into the Shadows" for casting some light on this largely forgotten corner of history.
"Revenge is like a poison. It can take you over, and before you know it, it can turn you into something ugly." - The other quote from Spider Man that more people need to remember. Or I haven't heard it enough.
@@LynnAgain83 you mean that tiny group with no overarching organization, 90% of whose achievements and danger sprang purely from the minds of Fox news hosts and similar such demagogues? Riiiiiight…
There is a saying that slander always hurts at least three people: the person it’s about, the people who listen, and the person who spreads it. Revenge works in very much the same way: You’re hurting yourself, the person you take revenge on, and anyone who’s involved with/recruited by either of you.
That's not revenge, that's consequences. you don't get to wake up one day agree and try to genocide your neighbor and then expect to sleep comfortably, waking up to an intact society the day after what you did. You violated the social contract. You reap what you sow.
This is the Sad story of humanity, someone commits a horrible crime, the surviving victim will then project their desire for revenge on somebody else by association, it can be gender, race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, political views, anyone who has something in common with the perpetrator will have to pay for a crime they did not commit in the first place. And just like that, the cycle of ressentment, hatred and violence continues. It keeps happening to this day, and it seems we just don't want to learn.
My dedo was 25kilo when he got out of a hard labour concentration camp. The only reason he survived is because one man who lived close by would risk his life to throw a loaf of bread over the fence. He always broke down in tears when he would get to, "if he had missed just one time".. he could never finish
My grandfather escaped to China. A total of 5 out of my family on mom's side survived...oddly on fathers side , my great uncle was a Nuremberg Prosecutor named John Lewis from NY. Sorry your family went through that too
Beautiful channel. This is exactly what I was hoping to find that I only got hints of in the Biographics/Geographics channels. Those dark avenues of history no one talks about... with the horrific details. Probably sounds more edgy then I had meant to, but I love 'unsantized' history. Take it all in, the violence, the horror, the sadness, for all of it is real history.
I so strongly agree. I have a 17 year old son who is fascinated with history, and I teach him ALL history. Even the bloodiest and most horrifying. Learn your history, or you are bound to repeat it. So you MUST face what humanity can do it left unchecked.
i happen to be an Israeli Living near Nuremberg, i can say that even today there is still an underline sentiment in the Jewish population in Israel to wish death upon the Germans. Honestly said, i find it really deplorable to have such sentiments today and even back then i wont find it justifiable.. Hate leads only to hate, many Germans were innocent ppl just going on with their lives under a cruel regime. Today many ppl ask how can the russian still support Putin and to that i say, what can a poor russian do to overthrow his dictator, when he knows that means risking his and his loved ones lives? I think the german population suffered enough throuout the war just like the rest of europe, with many starved, raped, worked to death camps and masacered too, yet of course, being the losers of the war, nobody seemed to care... 2 million German women raped, 22 Milion ethnic germans deported violently from their ancestral lands and many sent to forced Labor in unbearable conditions.. I myself experienced it first hand, being bullied for being to pale in complexion, leading to me avoiding school routinly on holocaust memorial day, or trips to Yad Vashem. Many ppl in Israel, especially those coming from the former USSR, suffer such abuse from their fellow countrymen... Youd think a ppl who suffered so much because of racism will rise above it and will be very tolerant, yet human nature prevail even the most noble desires. I recommend anyone interested to see the Netflix seire "Im Schatten des Mordes", which give a rare glimpse to the suffering of the conquered German ppl in the aftermath of ww2, even touching on the topic of Nakam. I will finish my comment by quoting a Rabbi from the serie, that when asked by another jew about Nakam he said that the only solution is either to go to Palestine or live in peace in Europe. Hate leads only to more hate which in the end leads to suffering, i believe the gratest virtue is forgiving even your worst enemies, weil only that will lead to peace.
Indeed, even the German people were victims of their own regime during WW2. Hitler somehow caused even more German deaths during WW2, 6.4 to 7.9 Millions German deaths, so no further revenge necessary.
Unfortunately it seems like the whole world is already blind. As far as I know there’s no cure for blindness, also not all blind people want to see again. The world lacks empathy yes, but people are becoming so narcissistic. Yesterday I had a nurse argue with me over the face that the term smiling depression lightens the fact that you have depression. The fact you can put on a smile while dying inside. One positive word is a step in a better direction. Depression is still depression like she said, but if you start changing your outlook on disorders, it can help make things seem not as hopeless. This coming from a person who takes 12 different medications a day for chronic pain, arthritis, and many mental disorders.
@@Henry-zh2ci that's not the point of the saying. It's that if everyone seeks revenge for everything, nothing worth it will remain. Like in this case, imagine the plan succeeded and millions of Germans got killed. Now the Germans would be angry because many of them weren't actually for killing jews but now a lot of them are and start killing jews in revenge. If it gets bad enough they would end up genociding each other out of existence
@@JustDaniel6764 And then the guy who put out that guy gets his eye put out and then someone puts out the guy who put out the first guy's eye out and then repeat about 8 billion more times and everyone's blind. You miss the point. The point is that if violence is to stop someone has to stop it. Or, as I put it, "Genocide doesn't excuse genocide." Yes, I get how utterly horrific the Holocaust is. I thank god that I can't comprehend the scale of death. Hell, I even agree that killing the people who did it isn't unjust... But does that mean that the families of the people who did it deserve to die?
Thank you so much for this enlightening video which informs me of of a movement and a group in history I previously had no knowledge of! Keep the great content coming! Looking forward to seeing more of your work across all of your different channels :)
If we lost 6 million of our people from babies to elderly and how they did through gas chambers, poisoning babies by dropping poison into their mouths which did happen in Eastern Europe mass executions by shooting and burnings making furniture out of people's skin and using dead Jewish women's hair for things when you really read about how bad it was not just in concentration camps but what the Einsatsgruppen death squads did... Anyone would want revenge. I would have thought like you if I didn't know just how bad it really was but reading deep into what the Nazis and how they carried out what they did in camps and in Eastern Europe they are much much worse than the average person think.
@@jeremy5602 that wasnt part of the original saying, eye for eye was about meditated punishment that would only affect the criminal, the eye for and eye and the world goes blind saying is stupid because you are supposed to only made a proper punishment
"If there was a revenge plot that at least remotely sounded justified, it would be this" - just no. "Revenge" where you target people who had little to nothing to do with the holocaust (your average German) is not even revenge. It is vengefulness. There are a million revenge plots that actually target people who are responsible for something horrific - and there would be more of a justification.
@@arturobuco So you are saying a "regular Hans" who was affraid of the Nazi party and did not speak up and intervene with violence to save (or try to save) the victims is as guilty as Hitler or any of the antisemitic propagandists? Sure if it makes things easier you can do that, but given the gravity of the situation I would put a little more thought and differentiation into your analysis.
@@arturobuco Cleaning history is claiming regular Germans had no responsibility, which I don't. I am not even German and have no sympathy at all for Nazi ideology. So don't throw around such accusations so casually just because somebody disagrees with you. To reiterate: calling every German citizen as guilty as Hitler is what I think is false. It is such simplified thinking that makes people hate entire populations and formulate revenge plots as displayed in this video. Now generalizing groups and planning coordinated violent murders on them... sound familiar? It is both ironic and sad that people often can't learn from history.
@@arturobuco Blaming whole single race for small minorities atrocity is what starts and keeps these mass murders going. The next step is "every german was guilty, dirty and deserving of punishment" etc. Collective punishing or blaming is the dumbest thing a human can say or do. Also, you might want to read up on history and see how there were many germans who spoke against nazis actions.. and were executed for it. Succesfull uprising requires more people coming towards at the same time than the regime has time to kill. In Germany this was not possible. Or in Soviet Union. Or communist China. or.. or... According to your reasoning, every russian is guilty for every mass murder Stalin ordered and every chinese is guilty of every death Mao caused. As are every american guilty of almost causing genocide, mass killings and torture on indians. You start handing collective verdict of 'guilty' for entire races and nations, we are all guilty. As you said: "Don't clean history..." There is no white, you are going all black and the world is grey.
excellent video, this is the first time i've heard of this plan. I enjoy your investigative work very much, you are always spot on. Best regards from Greece.
You cannot convict a whole demographic for the crimes of those in power. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Wehrmacht soldiers were war criminals. It’s just to convict the SS psycho, it’s not just to blame the simple Heir troop for fighting for his country and, and it’s an atrocity to attack the German civilian.
Just taking orders isn't moral high ground or justification for doing genocide. Think of it this way you and 6 friends have a campout over a cliff, y'all get into a spat with another camp group and 3 of your friends push their car off a cliff. Do you think the person who's car is destroyed off the cliff will go it was only those three guys or blame your whole group. If you're around for the crime and don't stop it or look the other way you're also complicit
Oh yeah… because Hitler didn’t rise to power with the aid of the German people. It was just a few random people that nearly wiped out eastern Europes Jews…. It’s not like antisemitism was rampant in Germany before Hitler
@@HighDins shut up nerd, but seriously though, do you really think you can hold accountable every german for nazism? Even kids and women? How? I mean what power did they held in that system? And you could even say the same for most of german men, who were not even nn the army.
@@Xvladinthe cop isn't gunna go okay pal you're right you had nothing to do with this with your friends and you couldn't reasonably stop them. You'd be an accessory with your friends to the crime regardless.
"industrial slaughter" really makes the point to differentiate from other horrors like Rwanda, the Armenians and so many more. it truly boggles the mind and shows there are no limits. great video, thanks. can you please do a video on why the Allies never bombed the railway and tracks leading to the Death Camps? i never understood this.
@@albertangeloro5832 You're neighbors are doing paperwork and know that probably nothing good is happening to you. That's different from them personally raping and murdering your daughter in front of you. How many people would just do their regular jobs and not make too much of a fuzz about a neighbor getting taken away vs how many would actively lead a lynching?
Rwanda, Armenia, the Holodomor where a Soviet Bureaucracy (80% cultural Jews) killed 10 million 1932-1933, yet all we hear about is the Holocaust ruclips.net/user/shortsOV807zgLalQ
I think this is Simon's best channel, and that's saying something. It constantly surprises me with information I had know idea about. Into the shadows indeed,
There were such genocides before (over Armenians, Assyrians, Syriacs, Chaldeans, Pontic Greeks...) Unlike many other perpetrators, Germans like to put all plans on paper and make precise updated logs. The others did not make such documentation, some pass the plans orally, so the obvious genocide plan and execution is visible from the number and ethnic pattern of the victims.
It’s also worth noting that the Germans have apologized extensively, and have proven that they are truly abhorred at what their country once did. As for another genocide you mentioned… that country still claims nothing at all happened. I don’t have a drop of ill will towards a single German today because of the holocaust. They did literally nothing. I will never judge somebody for the sins of their ancestors. But I will absolutely hold a grudge for those that actively cover up the sins of their ancestors.
"Nothing like the Holocaust had happened before...or since..." _UNLESS_ you disregard Belgium's King Leopold's colonization of Congo from 1885 to 1908, where an estimated TEN MILLION died from killings, famine, and disease. Severed hands became the infamous symbol of the colonial state where officials brutally maimed those failing to deliver harvest quotas. Forced labour, corporal punishments, kidnapping, and slaughtering of rebellious villages were among other atrocities recorded during the period. So...yes. The Holocaust was horrible. But, at least it wasn't *_forgotten_*
SHHEEIIT! Look at AMERICAN HISTORY, and see hundreds of millions of non-whites being killed off for no other reason than just pure greed!! This has happened over the course of more than 400 years already!
Depending on how you want to look at it the 1994 Rwandan genocide is probably the most comparable to the holocaust. The holocaust had 6m Jews over 4 years(+6m others but nobody seems to remember them). It gives an annual toll of ~1.5m Jews, Rwandan genocide was ~800k in 100 days giving annual toll of 2.9m
The holocaust is unique. A modern nation turns its massive resources on identifying, segregating, imprisoning and murdering a religious minority widely dispersed among many other nations. The system of killing, the engineering of a killing machine on a massive scale is what makes the holocaust unique. In contrast, the Rwandan genocide was more like a civil war, a revolt of the Hutu majority against the more privileged Tutsi minority. The Rwandan genocide, if it is to be compared to a Jewish experience, was a giant pogrom, a spasm of violence involving countryman against countryman. Crunching numbers to arrive at a daily killing rate is a pointless exercise. Historical events need to be understood in their fullest sense, not reduced to a simple calculation.
it more of less about the number and more about the method, the holocaust sound like a slaughterhouse for x group of ppl whom are treated as animals. my country did face a civil war and ethnic killing but regadless of the number, holocaust is kinda unique on the method.
Well... It's arguably still a difference. The Rwandan genocide was a genocide in the form of a pogrom, that is to say that it took place in the shape of a lynching riot that had the governments support. There were also pogroms in nazi germany, but the actual holocaust was a genocide in the form of a well-organized government and military operation. In terms of killing rates, the two may be comparable, but the actual course of the two is very different.
@@mortygoldmacher It should be noted that by the time the rwandan genocide took place, the Tutsi were no longer a privileged group but actually discriminated against on a large and institutional scale.
@@mortygoldmacher all genocides are obviously disgusting but we always tend look only at the event and never what led up to it or caused it. If we could only learn the lessons from those things maybe we could prevent them before they happen.
“I've been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again” -Erik Lehnsherr *Real Life Inspiration for Marvel X-Men’s Magneto and his followers?*
Magneto was imprisoned at Auschwitz when he was a child and his family was Jewish. It was in the comics and it was in X-Men: Origins. So... yeah. Definitely. The irony is that he became like the people who tormented him all those years ago.
While I don't know precisely how many people perished under those circumstances (though I suspect they may be in the millions) there's also plenty of evidence that several hundred thousand, if not a million German POWs died in the prisoner camps at the end of the war, mainly in those under French control. The fate of many Germans has been ignored by most historians.
My grandfather was one of them he was a pow from the brits first got taken to the south by train and was taken as pow by the french despite his release papers he was forced to work in a coal mine but he managed to escape after some time he said the brits and americans were fine men but the french caused all kinds of atrocities at least from what he saw@@Thermopylae2007
The phrase "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" is not and has never been a call to entice or incite revenge, it is and has always been a call to keep any vengeance in check, to practice moderation and rationality when meting out justice, to maintain boundaries. It calls for restorative justice, not rampages of revenge.
Too bad it's highly ambiguous, just like most ancient "words of wisdom": They're all just empty phrases today, either because they've been shortened to the point they can't clearly convey their original intention anymore, or because they could never convey it to someone who didn't know their historical context in the first place.
This plot doesn't sound "remotely justified" at all. Besides, how many millions of Germans had already been melted into pools of organic material by Allied strategic bombing campaigns? How many Germans were beaten, raped, and killed by advancing Soviet forces? How many died of starvation and disease when they were forcibly relocated? This "revenge plot" is disgusting.
@@tinman3586Made perfect sense to me. So what you're saying is, you not only don't comprehend what took place, but also your own wording... 🤣 I just can't with you -people-
I'm incredibly glad this failed, it wouldn't have been justified and would've caused far worse problems down the line for everyone. Revenge is a fool's game.
Churchill was, at least for a time, entertaining the idea of forcing Germany to become an agrarian society. Doing that to a people of high education fostering engineers would have bern soulcrushing to them.
@@michaelpettersson4919 They actually began this process and continued deindustrializing Germany until the early 50s. The Soviets straight up took most of the industry in the east back to the soviet union.
You wouldn't be saying that if one of your family was a victim fromulus or you lived through the hell they did. Either way it would have made things worst
Something to remember is that a great many who died in the Holocaust were Germans themselves. Germans of Jewish ancestry, but Germans. They were our countrymen, many of whom had families who had been living in Deutschland for centuries were happy to call it home. Racial purity? You can read the whole map of Deutschland in my features, but I also have France and Ireland in my veins. And there's nothing wrong with that.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow Hmm... If you were Germany at the time The National Socialist Party was going to round people up, you'd have to get past a thousand paranoid brownshirts and the Gestapo first. Guns were not banned to civilians, but gun laws were so tight and security was so paranoid, it almost wasn't worth buying or even owning one.
@@konigeurichderwestgoten4460 many partisans had success in areas NEAR Germany. To say nothing of those who actively fought from within. Options existed, just ask the multitude of fighters who used the SNazi's own weapons against them. Plus, anything can BE a weapon if you're careful. J/S, folks COULD have fought.
Hi there, german here. I think we are a pretty normal people and this plan is absolutely cruel. If nothing else they would have set themselves down to the same level as the nazis. The fact that you called this even remotely justified is disgusting.
@@duckLife24_7and what is Israel (fake country) doing today? And what was that little thing a certain group of people were involved with establishing it, lots of money exchanged hands, men were sent to die fighting in Europe not knowing they let were being used by puppets to establish a place called Israel lol
@@erensioas someone who studied genocide at a university level I can confirm the terrifying thing is there is always a gradual, cumulative radicalisation. One of the most chilling factors is that given the right circumstances, many "normal" people might. Of course that doesn't at all justify the horrible deeds that were done in the Holocaust or other genocides but we should always be aware that while we'd like to imagine ourselves as plucky resistance fighters, many would instead be more akin to informants or collaborators.
Just one point of clarification: The Bible does mention the phrase "an eye for an eye..." but it is Jesus who said that behavior is not acceptable. Most people gloss over that, or misuse it.
Exactly what I was thinking. Jesus changed all that. People read parts of the Bible and say ‘it says here’ without reading the whole book. Ignorant and sad.
"The Bible does mention the phrase "an eye for an eye..." but it is Jesus who said that behavior is not acceptable." Still, turning the other cheek is a big no-no.
@@Briselance Do you even know what ‘turning the other cheeks’ meant in context? Back then, when slapping someone, it was done with the back of the hand only. It was both a cultural and legal thing. Slapping someone with the right hand meant that you recognized them as an equal, which was a _huge_ statement to make back then. If the one you slapped showed you his other cheek, then you could either 1) stop slapping him, 2) slap him with the right hand instead, which was basically a reputation killer since you just recognized someone of lesser status as your equal, or 3) continue slapping with the left hand, but since the guy turned his head, that meant you’d strike him in the front of the face instead of the cheek, which was legally an assault rather than a slap. And even if the Roman Empire gave extra rights to its soldiers and citizens over the non-citizens, the empire also didn’t tolerate its law being broken. So either way, the one doing the slapping was basically forced to stop. Jesus never teached to surrender to evil, but to resist it. It’s just that using blind violence to resist evil would often backfire.
SHHEEIIT! Look at AMERICAN HISTORY, and examine hundreds of reports of mass exterminations of various indegenous tribes and peoples----a great many which have been completely removed from the planet, NEVER to be experienced by those living in this moment in time.... And the perpetrators of those evils were NEVER punished!
My aunt Joann’s mom escaped the Holocaust. She was a tough lady. Her name was Rose Clark. They were Romanians living in Hungary. She never talked about it. I know it had to be a burden on her heart.
@@NwoSaturn parents sent their children to other countries to save them from the nazis, People ran from the nazis, until the nazis invaded and went to war to with the countries they ran to
And to make things worse, such people tend to be blinded by their thirst for revenge and as such lash out at the wrong people, especially if the guilty ones are unreachable, dead, or their identities unkown.
I am so glad you made this video. It shows in this day ang age that just because one side of historical act was incredibly wrong, the response shouldn't be to be just as incredibly wrong in return.
Bro it’s not like this was a massive plan made by every holocaust survivor, literally just 50 sick people. Take everything you see on RUclips with a grain of salt
Looks like my main comment got flagged somehow, as it seems gone for no reason, but here's some of the thoughts from it: Regarding what I'm seeing in the comments, I feel like more people need to learn it's okay to sympathize with the pain that people have felt, while recognizing that sympathy doesn't mean condonation, or even mercy when the time comes. A comparison can be made to someone who contracts AIDS because someone forced it upon them, and then, they, in turn, forcing it upon others around the original monster as an act of revenge. They didn't deserve the cruelty they were dealt, but they aren't right to continue the spread, no matter how much pain they have felt. When confronted by a person who's lost so much, it's okay to give sympathy, but not absolution.
@@Kerosene.Dreams We're the people who have to share this world with everyone else, and the collective consequences of all choices and actions in it. The decisions on who to absolve and who to punish are about choosing what battles are worth fighting, with our limited times and resources, for any individual or collective set of principles, and will carry their own consequences.
This makes me think of a group who wanted revenge for the dropping of the atomic bombs.. Though that group was stopped by other Japanese people. There is a portion of my family tree that died out due to one of those two bombs. But like most others from my country. We fully realize that if those bombs where never dropped.. The war would have went on longer and would have become far more bloody than it already was. Japan would not have given up at all if it was not for those bombs, even then part of it still did not give up.. But eventually even those people did. With the exception of the small group I am referring to here... And this would have happened during the cold war era if they where not stopped.. Its not too well known outside of Japan, and even then its only really known to those from specific areas of Japan or at least, those related to people who where from those areas.. Horrible acts where committed by all nations that where part of that war just like the previous one that also involved the world.. Its better that we learn from these mistakes and try to find ways of working with each other better, understanding each other better, and getting along with each other better.. I know some of this is just impossible simply due to the fact that humans can not completely remove their own nature.. But its something that should not mean we should stop trying... Sadly not enough of history is remembered, and things very well might end up repeating again.
And began forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint. And when people protested against those injustices Israel called them antisemitic even when orthodox ,Ethiopian and Sephardic jews were against those injustices and were part of those protests
But we have to question why direct civilian cities where chosen as targets to demonstrat the bombs destructiv power to the japanese gouverment. Why not first an unhabitat island or if they want to target human, then a military base.
@@Phoenixfede1989 The US at that time could only produce two bombs each year, so they had to go with the most valuable targets first. Transportation hubs and factories, which allowed Japan to continue the fighting. Unfortunately this meant targeting areas with lots of civilians that were there because those things needed lots of workers. The idea was if Japan still didn't surrender then the bombs would be hitting key targets anyway.
Psychopaths exist in every nation of the world, it is up to us not to allow them into positions of power. How? We just don't know. My heart has always felt for Japan - those two bombs were a wake up call for the entire world to see why revenge is as dark as the deeds that inspire it. Old people, women, children all seen in abomination of desecration. Innocents paid for psychopathic megalomania. The psychopaths are still with us unfortunately, even after seeing what nuclear bombs did to Japan - they are carelessly and callously talking about nuclear warfare again.. We have to stop them all.
@@user-ji4gf5xr9y Not officially, but I know about some of what the Red Army did while occupying Germany. After that, they occupied half the country. It was all very punitive at the very least. Eitherway, my surprise was about the existence of an organized group of Jews wanting to take revenge in this way. I didn't know of this.
@@user-ji4gf5xr9y Yes, that existed. And not in small organized groups like Nakam. It was actually generalized. The Red Army were given carte blanch to loot occupied German towns that descended into multiday orgies of rape and pillage. In Poland and Czechoslovakia there was a period of widespread mass persecutions and violent punitive actions taken against German populations at large (without evidence of them being nazis) with total impunity. Note that I say this without casting judgment of taking any sides. It was a time of total chaos and very high, emotions.
@@borja1000 yeah again. one is a general hysteria that parallels and succeeds war where the less civlized members of society go on rampage. quite another is to systematically plan the murder of millions of people (including children) who incidentally had largely nothing to do with any particular actions that sparked this anger. the soviets never stooped that low even.
No just no, when you try to downplay the USSR and Communist China killings just because they were not "industrialized" is just stupid. I understand the difference in how the mass killing at least seems more gruesome due to the industrialized way it occurred but the Communist killings were just as brutal but what stays out of sight is easily forgotten. It's not likely you find footage of the victims of Mao or the USSR unlike the Nazi's.
There were many acts of revenge and vigilante justice on Germany. The Russians suffered greatly under the Germans and shot POWs and German civilians, going as far to deport the Volga Germans who had nothing to do with the Nazis. American soldiers after liberating camps in the West shot guard and handed their guns to the inmates and let them go wild on their captors. Conditions in POW camps in the USA and Britain became more harsh after the allies discovered the concentration camps. Axis POWs we're beaten, abused, and neglected. Even after the war hundreds of German civilians were massacred and imprisoned in camps where their captors would torture and abuse them. In the east thousands of Germans including Hitler youths were imprisoned and many did not survive their captivity.
Thank you for this little history lesson. A lot of people don't believe that anything happened to the German people after the war was over. They say that life went on after the war but how could it, logically it couldn't
Thinking that people can seriously justify killing millions of innocent people as an act of revenge just because millions of your own people had previously perished is disgusting, It would only make you as bad those those who had persecuted you. Genocide can never be justifiable no matter what reason it is done for.
I can imagine thinking that would solve everything in the heat of the moment. Also, people are forgetting that it wasn’t like a bunch of Jews just got up and said: “let’s kill the Germans!”. Nazis had a hitler, so did the Jews most likely.
“Just because” dude. Thats a pretty good reason for why you would want to become the villain. “Just because you lost all your families?” When something needlessly cruel is done to you, who do you blame? When you lose everything, what do you do next? Of course genocide is wrong, but it isnt hard to see why they thought of it as a fitting revenge. If i had to be dehumanized in a camp and watch my family die and countless of my kin as well, i do not know what i would want if i could escape.
Ironically the entire point of that eye for an eye law was to _prevent_ endless cycles of revenge by _limiting_ the punishment.
Even though the eye for an eye logic is what creates a cycle of revenge
@@artorhen I guess it basically means keep the punishment proportional to the crime committed
@@edwardwindsor2516 it means make the punishment symmetrical to the crime. That doesn't mean the type of sentence that is used in a lot of countries for killing a person, which is a consensus on what is a proportional punishment for said crime that resumes to a number of years in prison, but if you want to be true to what eye for an eye means, then a person should receive the death sentence for killing a person. I believe it has to be common knowledge why that would become a flawed judgement.
@@artorhen at the time the law was written, if someone gouge out your eye, you would gouge out both of his, an then he'd get his brother an gouge out there of your family's eyes, and then you four of his, and so on. Hammurabi was trying to nip that in the bud when he wrote this law.
@@artorhen The problem with the death penalty have less to do with whether it's right and more to do with the fear of getting things wrong. Death, after all, is rather irreversible. And the fear of being wrong in turn makes the process extremely inefficient and expensive as we want to be as certain as we can be, which makes it unfeasible even in an economic sense.
Blind revenge necessarily targets innocent people, some of whom may have been opposed to the original injustice. It is inherently unjust.
One of my ancestors was an SS officer, another was a german communist who barely survived the concentrations camps. One can not simply blame an entire demographic.
True, it's nonsensical & makes one no better than the one you're opposing.
An eye for an eye ends in the whole world being blind.
Revenge is an entirely foolish and selfish HUMAN ANIMAL behaviour, and it doesn't make society any better
It's fine if Zionist do it aperintly any thing they do is justify in this channel
Confucius, wisely stated, "Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves."
good saying
One for their body, one for their family?
I read that after winning a game of br in cod mobile they give quotes from different people they have some great lines
No ! It wasn't Confucius ! It was the General Shun Tzu ! It is written in his work "The Art of War"
@@aryehyehudahajzenberg9503 yes yes we can all look it up too ,
My mother was born in the Cracow Ghetto. The idea of such a revenge plan, and I say this with certainty, would be abhorrent and vile to my grandparents. There would not be a bone in their body that it would resonate with. It's an abomination. In any conflict there are two or more sides to a story. I wouldn't want anyone to ever think say myself, as a Jew, would find anything redeeming in such a perverse idea.
But killing Palestineans is fine, right. The cycle must go on.
It was the genocidal nature of European Jews at the time that was a major contributing factor to the Holocaust.
It’s like Hitler read the book ‘Germany Must Perish’ and then pulled out his Uno Reverse card.
Unfortunately it's the "Quaker" sensibilities (Quakers refuse to fight) that led to 10,000+ Jews being crammed into overflowing train cars and guarded by only *TEN* armed Germans with bolt action rifles.
Like cattle shuffling along into the slaughterhouse, the very thing George Washington warned us all about in his farewell address of 1796.
Also, let's keep in mind that 6 million number is highly debateable.
@maarten4288 how so?
As a pest control specialist, I can tell you why the results were less than spectacular.
One because it was glued on the bottom there was so much possibility for poisonous material to be lost. Two bread being ingested at the same time as the poison would actually absorb the poison and spread out the effects making them longer lasting, but less sever. 3 the bottom of the loaf of bread is typically harder, and might have been discarded by many of the prisoners.... And lastly cats are super sensitive to poison, so if they based the dosage of that which was fatal for cats there dosage was off.
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How stupid (and evil) must they be to kill cats with poison then assume it takes the same amount to kill a 4lbs cat than a 180lbs human hahahahaha
@@connordavis9772I mean, when your mind is full of a drive for revenge and mourning for family you’re not exactly going to be thinking perfectly
To think after going through an genocide, the takeaway some people had from it was “Let’s do it again but to others!” Humanity is real sad…
If you watched the nazis brutalize your family in a death camp and barely escaped with your own you probably wouldn’t be thinking all that clearly either would you?
You end up seeing a lot of that in Attack on Titan.
@@Thoralmir ...
They are doing it to the Palestinians.
But they learnt a lot from the Nazis. This time they have the PR on their side.
@@Thoralmir bruh did you seriously just bring up an anime on a video about a REAL genocide? Jesus Christ read the room dude.
“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” wasn’t a call for getting equal revenge. It was a call for moderation amongst men of the same social standing. It should be “only an eye for an eye, and only a tooth for a tooth”.
THIS! It is a demand for restorative justice, not carceral punishment!
@@gozerthegozarian9500 At that point, they were the same thing.
Before then, lots of folks lived by Scarface rules: Overwhelming retaliation.
@@JoshSweetvale and ever since a lot do so,hollywood even made them heroes
Or both
Also literal hundreds of people already said this, stfu
School Counselor: "You see kids, humans have thing called Empathy"
Also Humans:
Yes, they do have empathy. The avengers want the germans to feel the same pain they did. Because isnt empathy like witnessing the same emotions?
I just find it interesting
This is kinda proof of that
If they have no empathy, they wouldn't have cared enough to plot revenge of this scale. This is the terrible side of human empathy.
The Germans lacked it.
If you saw your ppl fall victim to genocide after genocide, program after program, what would you do?
I had never heard this story before. It’s human history repeating itself over and over. In my opinion, once you choose to murder children, even the children of those oppressing you, you’ve crossed a point of no return, and have gone from victim to being the perpetrator. History is full of victims become perpetrators and so the cycle goes on. Vengeance against a perpetrator is understandable but the indiscriminate killing these avengers planned to do was immoral. Like the CIA drone bombing an apartment building risking killing hundreds of civilians maybe to get one Isis terrorist. And yes we should pass judgement on them just as we should the Nazis…and our CIA and Generals.
@WoodPileDenmark Well hitler grew up in poverty, he was jealous of the rich Jews,profiting off of German labour etc and then taking the money out of the country into Swiss banks, and in his mid 20’s he was renting an apartment with a roommate and a female Jewish prostitute who paid part of her rent with service and he caught syphallus from her, and thus that furthered his hate with Jews.
Look what they are doing to the Palestinians.
The oppressed became the oppressor.
@WoodPileDenmark Most likely a combination of having his life ambitions crushed (He got kicked out of art school), and then moving into the workforce and realizing that he would be working 18 hours days and still going hungry because the German government at the time was still paying reparations for World War 1. A new government was elected who's solution to this was to start selling German public assets. Television stations, banks, hospitals, ect. Fast forward to Hitler's political career and you realize who was buying these assets, because it wasn't people from all over the world, it was a single group.
This is quite close in terms of history to the Bolshevik Revolution and the Israelites being kicked out of Russia for manipulating their media and trying to force a coup. They were actually kicked out of 108 countries in 500 years prior to being kicked out of Germany. They were rounding them up to kick them out of the country (why put them in camps, feed them, clothe them and bed them when you can dig holes and shoot them?) when allies started bombing the supply lines which caused massive starvation, even among German troops, so the prisoners were very unwell. They probably clawed at the walls of their enclosures desperately as they starved. This is when Hitler talked to someone who had already though of a solution in the event that the plan went wrong, which was named; "The FINAL solution". Dispose of them.
@@drpk6514 yeah, a fucking roadblock is *EXACTLY* the same as a Holocaust, amirite? :D
@WoodPileDenmark Hitler's rise to power was enabled mainly because of how Germany was made the scape goat for WWI and were ripped apart and sent into a huge recession. People who weren't even the perpetrators became the victims of semi-blind vengeance and they just got fed up with this shit after 15 years of living in sever poverty, who would've thought?
If the murder of children is an atrocity, "getting even" will never be justice. The ball has to stop somewhere, even if it leaves a bad taste our mouth.
Maybe that's why we, humanity, need Jesus as our substitute, to take the blows, the Righteous on behalf of the many unrighteous, that the ball might stop with Him.
Cycles of revenge have been ongoing in my ancestral homeland of China, between families, between ethnic groups, between regional entities, between any two or more entities.
So far, only Jesus has brought true peace to my people.
Apart from Jesus, the next best thing is one group of bullies intimidating all the other smaller bullies into not taking their anger out on each other.
But that's not a lasting solution the way Jesus' Propitiatory Death is.
@@zhouwu Jesus or muhammad
@@shatteredteethofgod
Well said
@@shatteredteethofgod for good to exist there needs to be bad
@@helpiamstuckonthismanshead3385 That line of thinking makes no sense. Nobody in their right mind hast to eat crap in order to appreciate something like chocolate cake just so that they know how delicious cake is. Cake is delicious just by itself. Same thing with good and evil. Good is just good on its own and it doesn’t need to be compared with evil. How would you even do that anyway?
‘An eye for an eye’ applies to the eyes of the criminal, not someone who shares his nationality.
The world is too stupid to comprehend reason.
Says the whyt Texan looking to be spared from consequences of the atrocities of your people have committed
That's not very narrow minded of you 😢
The germans weren't lacking freewill.
@@botsharing1702 They were literally under a dictatorship.
nobody can get you engrossed into a story like Simon does
Zoomer History channel can.
Ever heard of Mr. Ballen?
Mark Felton!
Hitler can exist in any culture. Prejudice is always a stupid thing that a lot of people can never leave behind.
Ironically, if the Jews had carried out this type of revenge, it would have (in the eyes of the Germans) proven Hitler correct in his thesis. Hitler believed that the Jews were part of a shadowy organization that sought the downfall of the German Race, so if something like this happened, then Hitler would have unfathomable influence to this day in modern day German politics.
Jews are now the new Hitlers
True. Churchill is like Hitler but for Indians
It lives today in this transgender shit that ultimately leading to....
Just thin about Italians, they by no means shared that kind of ideological zeal of Germens.
As Bertrand Russell once said, it''s too often true that, "People seem good while they are oppressed, but they only wish to become oppressors in their turn: life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim."
yeah i heard something like that once, some prisoners want to be free but most just want to be the guard.
That is why the oppressor is then killed, as no one wants to be killed, most of the time anyway.
Africa
Yep. Look at South Africa today.
I mean, look at China today. They used to be oppressed by the Japanese
It's not even an eye for an eye. The concept of it was to apply a fitting/equivalent punishment to the person(s) who committed the crime. You can't punish the son for the sins of the father so to speak. Killing innocent people because other people with their same nationality committed crimes against your people isn't eye for an eye. You are just making yourself a criminal and justifying your own execution. I always disliked the expression that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. An eye for an eye doesn't leave the whole world blind, it only doubles the number of people who lose an eye so to speak, and the 2nd one is always the one who first took the eye, not some innocent bystander. If a thief steals from you it is right to make them repay you. It doesn't justify stealing from someone else as two wrongs don't make a right.
The germans voted the NSDAP into power democratically, they deserved worse than what the british and soviets did to them.
@@Buorgenhaeren So even the Germans who didn't vote for them should be killed to? That makes no sense.
I agree, but we’re looking at it in future. It’s history, you have to put yourself there to analyze it, what would you think if you were Jewish during the time of the halocaust? If I was around then, I don’t think I would’ve thought of it as bad or evil idea, but just stupid
People were getting ordered and maybe even ordered to ordered to round up you, your family and friends and send them to a “camp” where same thing was going on but it was to kill them.
It’s also way easier to kill someone if ordered because you feel like your not doing the killing, I think it was the Friedman experiment that proved how if your ordered to do something evil it’s easier to do it because it feels like someone else is doing it in your head.
I think the saying an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind comes from the fact that seeking revenge in that manner would lead to family feuds in the past that got out of hand. For example a man gets shot, and then a family member of the dead man decides to shoot the person responsible (eye for an eye) but then the family of the person he's killed decides that either their family member was justified to shoot the original man, or innocent, or that it was an accident and he doesn't deserve to be shot for an accident and that they deserve revenge - so one of them goes out and shoots the man who shot the man who shot the original man. Eventually they all end up killing one another, all the while feeling morally justified in their actions because an eye for an eye, right?
These days that doesn't happen in most of the world due to how much better law enforcement is, and nobody wants to go to jail even if they feel like they're morally justified to cut out somebodies eye or whatever else but in the past that was a real issue so you can see why they would think a saying like "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" would be a good thing to drill into people to try and avoid these types of escalating feuds.
"you can't punish the son for the sins of the father" someone made this comment before actually looking into hammurabi's code. there is literally laws about killing the son because the father killed someone else's son.
"Nothing like that had happened before" Simon, you wot?
Armenia says hi, I guess.
Armenia, Assyria, Anatolia, Central Asia are all victims of turkic genocide :(
Possibly at numerous other times before that, too, though called something other than 'genocide'. As I understand it (and I could be wrong), what modern scholars argue is that, as a concept, genocide is fairly recent. Meaning, they argue, that when one people set out to "whipe out" another people in antiquity, due to how those in antiquity conceived of "the world" and what, to them, comprised a "people", that what they thought they were doing when "whiping out" a people was also different in their minds. Or, also, that they couldn't conceive that it was remotely possible to kill off an entire people, so when they rid their lands of as many as possible, they knew some had escaped, and assumed there were many more elsewhere, behind some boundary line (a river; a chain of mountains, etc.), but then that they were virtually "completely gone" at least to beyond where they could ever threaten them for some long forseeable future.
To me, though, even if they might not have been able to fully conceptualize killing an entire people from the earth, they would have done so, and happily done so, if they could. The Romans, in particular, seemed to harbor this sentiment with regard to the Carthaginians, and appear to have mostly (if not entirely) succeeded in genociding the Etruscans.
Saying all of this, I realize that I'm traipsing across the counterfactual dilemma, and that even by modern contexts and definitions, killing off every last member of a people, nor even one group desiring such, is necessary to qualify an event as being a genocide. But I would argue the intent of the Nazis and the Turks would be relatively the same to that of the Romans had the Romans (and other even more ancient peoples) been able to understand the limits of earth, and the concept of a people, in the same way we do currently.
Hopefully that made some sense. To be clear, I'm in agreement with you, I'm just going further. But I'm not sure if I'm just spit-balling or actually onto something. If I'm not, please set me straight. I just had a thought, inspired by your comment, and wished to examine it.
Holodomor send their regards too, I guess.
They seem a bit naive on communism, as is not too uncommon unfortunately.
Sadly it keeps happening, Yes, there is Armenia, yes there is the Holodomor, but even those are only the tip of the iceberg. What about non-Han groups in China? What about the Khmer Rogue? What about Kosovo? What about the japanese occupation in east asia? What about the american and australian natives?
Sometimes it's the attempt to remove an ethnicity, sometimes their culture.
Damn, I never knew of this plan. I mean, I can totally understand the want for revenge, but doing the same thing to other mostly innocent people is crazy. As they say "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind"
That´s exactly why i HATE Jigsaw.
I´d rather have people who don´t care then those with a twisted sense of justice.
"They" is Ghandi. Guess it wasn't like he was huge or popular or anything...
It would lead to a one eyed man leading the blind.
I can imagine, if this revenge plan was actualy happening. How germany would respond to that. Pretty dang sure it would spark a whole new war all over again.
@@cherrydragon3120
Not only Germany remember that allied soldiers were stationed in Germany and would had ended up dead as well it would had turned the entire world against Jews like never before and this time with reason.
It would had been the death of the Jewish state before it even began. In short the results would had been catastrophic for the Jewish people first and foremost.
The biggest example of “Two wrongs don’t make a right”
It feels right tho
@@XavierBonapartedgy rebellious teenager detected
They make a left.
@@ZoanBlade90 Lol
Two lefts make a right
I'd argue that the greatest, most brutal Jewish revenge plot of all time was Mel Brooks making the number _"Springtime for Hitler"_ in _The Producers._
I agree that humor is the best weapon. But if my jokes fail, I keep a rifle handy.
@@genewickersham4593 Based
@Gene Wickersham cause you can’t fight? Lol
And the film in glorious Basterds
3:22 A survivor of Auschwitz, Kitty Hart, had said that she wanted to kill a German with her own hands as soon as she was able to. She, and a band of helpers, got some Germans cornered in a kitchen. The others around her were shouting words of encouragement, reminding her of what she had said she wanted to do. However, all Kitty Hart could see was some very frightened people and she decided that she wasn't going to hurt any of them. She emigrated to the UK, and I'm very proud to say that she moved to a place which is close to where I live, and she became an X-ray Technician in a large hospital here! She has made a film of her giving a guided tour of Auschwitz to some young ladies who were the same age as her when she was liberated - just 15 years old. The years of suffering she had to endure, you just can't imagine how she managed to live through it. We should listen to the testimony of survivors like Kitty Hart, whilst they are still with us.
listen for what? oppression is nothing new. everyone suffered from it
This Sounded like an amazing story BUT I *DOUBT IT’S TRUE,* I’ve Searched & There’s Absolutely *NOTHING ONLINE ABOUT THIS SUPPOSED EVENT TAKING PLACE!!!!!!*
OP if you have a Source for this Story Please Link to it!!
Fake story
Hitler somehow caused even more German deaths during WW2, 6.4 to 7.9 Millions German deaths, so no revenge necessary.
@@jdools4744like your dad?
Eye for an eye is one of the most misunderstood/misused quotes in history. it was mean to *limit* the lengths of retaliation/punishment, not advocate mass murder. This is probably nothing new though - the fact it was misused even in ancient times is why many people think Jesus had to address it directly.
Umm the Bible is plagiarized! Nice try on the explanation tho! 🤷🏽♀️
@@dekishajones282 If you were referring to how half of the bible is the same as parts of the Jewish holy text, that's easy enough to explain - Christianity was literally a splinter sect of Judaism.
Most of the early church (including the apostles) were Jewish, considered themselves Jewish and were seen as a sect of Judaism by outsiders.
The two groups didn't really split into "separate" religions until quite a bit later than I think people realize.
Calling that Plagarism would be like calling the American use of the English language Plagarism - the settlers didn't copy it, they brought it with them because that's where a lot of them came from (yes obviously not all of them spoke English, but you get the point I'm trying to make).
Also I wasn't trying to make any statements about Jesus vs. Judaism or anything like that, I was just pointing out that it was addressed at all by anyone means it was probably an issue people knew of at the time.
@@dustmystic291
I'm pretty sure they were referencing how the Old Testament/Tora copied significant amounts of older mythology. Akkadian, Sumerian, Hittites and so on. Especially Genesis.
@@Alias_Anybody Again though, the same concept I mentioned earlier applies.
Almost all cultures and religions are the product/influenced by both their neighbors and those that came before them. For example, concepts like angels or similar beings coming down to earth were what people generally believed in the region (several other non-Abrahamic religions still do even now) and almost every culture has a great flood narrative - when people build their cities in arable floodplains, a flood is the most common disaster the inhabitants can relate to.
Your pfp: Just why?
Nakam remains one of the most fascinating stories from the immediate aftermath of the war. As despicable as their goals were, it makes me wonder: what meaning does morality even hold for a person when you witnessed your family, friends, community and people massacred? When you've seen so much death and so much misery, does adding more into the world even feel like much of a difference?
Vengeance isnt about justice, its about making the wrongdoer as miserable as you
@@karlwikman3874 well said vengeance brings nothing but misery and we all know misery loves company and it is indiscriminate on who it chooses
This plot was never justified, but I can understand the reasoning
When you loose literally everything as many of the survivors of the atrocity did your emotions are in a whirl and you can find yourself having nothing left to the point that your moral compass is effectively broken beyond belief
@@rejvaik00 In that regard both the Jews and the Ethnic Germans fall into that Category. The Jews and the Ethnic Germans both lost everything they loved and both suffered beyond belief, so i would not have blamed those Ethnic Germans for taking revenge on Polish or Czechoslovak or any Civilians they came across, after what those Germans Suffered through.
You then become the very monster you saw slaughter men women and children. We can understand what motivated them to this darkness. But it almost sounds like you justify those acts.
Two wronged never make a right, anf anyone who kills children in the name or vengeance is no better than the natzis.
@@Wilhelm322 Germans have nothing to take revenge over against the Czechs and Poles, anything they did in order to survive and punish the Germans was justified, and it was rarely severe either. I believe every person who voted for the NSDAP should have been removed as they had lost their humanity so eagerly, and thus should be treated as animals for condemning hundreds of millions to death simply for their race and religion.
While I understand the sentiment, I am so thankful that this never happened. It would have been a colossal mistake of history, causing more misery and hate, and would probably descend into a downward spiral of revenge which continued until both peoples completely eliminated each other.
true if they would do that to my family or someone i know i m german i would do the same
it's happening right now
@@drpavel_ they're smarter about it these days. I call it "Neo-social-eugenics".
It wouldnt have done nothing but made them equal
Honestly the Germans probably would have won. The European Jewish contributed to the war effort, but ultimately it was won because the Brits stepped in sucking us Americans in and giving the French a chance at bouncing back
We all came together and agreed WW2 could never have been justified and were ready to pay in peace time to make sure nobody ever has to suffer a war like that again, which would have left those Jewish alone at best and more likely fighting the risen supers
The Khmer Rouge basically did a holocaust on their own population in the 70s. You can’t say that none have happened since, despite how awful it was because of Cambodia just 3 decades later
To lose your family like that is indescribable - to perpetuate the same crime against innocent people is to join the perpetrators and the fact that you know exactly how their relations will feel makes you an even bigger monster.
Sometime people fear what others know and look for ways to silence said knowledge.
You call them innocent; they would call the Germans (all Germans) unindicted co-conspirators or accomplices before and after the fact.
They would be wrong, but tell Morganthau that.
@@Egilhelmson that would be no different than saying All americans are guilty for the crimes committed by american and allied forces since the civil war. The Laws protecting non combatant civilians were approved by all nations well before ww2 and ignored by all sides after the bullets started flying. The only one to successfully go against the plans of the warmongers was the US General in Korea that shortened the war by years and saved hundreds of thousands of civilians and men in uniform. No, blaming civilians is no more than making them into scapegoats to protect the real guilty parties.
@@Egilhelmson Interestingly enough the Taliban use this exact same thought manipulation to perpetuate their own crimes of terror and violent oppression. Seems they share some common ground after all.
@@Egilhelmson well, its a good thing Morganthau didnt get his way, and Marshall did. As a result one is remembered as Americas best and finest and the other isnt remembered at all.
This takes the quote "you have become the very thing you swore to destroy" to a new level
well, they live it every day in Israel =/
@@mho... Agreed, they’ve became what they hated. Now they’re stealing land and oppressing ethnic/religious minorities.
It is not like they didn't fk about back then
israel.
Indeed. Zionism is the Jewish equivalent of Fascism
Being one of the groups victim of a genocide is no "excuse" to even think about starting one.
It never was, it never will be.
That stance was utterly immoral.
Have to completely agree with you but strangely various 'religious texts' have gods demanding them or carrying them out.
@@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 don't care fack qot
@@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 I also agree but I also did not watch my family and loved ones get murdered / tortured / experimented on / treated like something less than a rat...
Yeah its no excuse but you wil understand why somebody would want that
You can't play thought police.
FWIW, the image shown at the beginning 0:13 is not actually of Hamurabi, but rather of Shamash or Marduk. Hamurabi is always depicted with a tight, round cap with a tall brim. The mistake is forgivable as it is actually also mistakenly labelled this way in the US capitol building.
Another Simon channel to follow... I'm starting to think our benevolent host is the most advanced AI ever created who records videos at 10x to be able to keep all 75 channels going. Whatever the formula is, you nailed it Simon!
Simon is not running tons of channels all by himself of course, rather he acts as an actor and public face for lots of different channels run by otherwise different people. There are multiple different writers writing for their own informational channels, and Simon turns their scripts into videos.
We need a SimonTube!
We already in it)
His formula is to skim Wikipedia and other RUclips channels and then hire Lots of writers
I'm an Israeli Jew,
I knew of this plot, and it brings me much 2nd hand embarrassment. That my people would stoop to the level of monsters in a vain belief that more blood would satisfy them.
I'm glad more people will learn of it, so that they learn the pointlessness and futility of such a desire. Though I worry people will twist it to paint my Kin as equally bad or something.
Thanks Simon for bringing it to light as though I might feel some embarrassment I recognize that it's good for people to know of it
It's ok bro
Hey while you're at it can you tell your tribe to stop flooding Europe and America with brown people and replacing the whites? Thanks.
@@GeorgTheGr8 Sure thing, so I should alter the laws of sovereign nations which I don't hold citizenship in to prevent citizens of other nations which I don't hold citizenship in from immigrating purely on the basis of their race, right? And how would I do that?
@@aredjayc2858 Your tribe has subverted and currently controls all of those said sovereign nations so it shouldn't be difficult.
Yes all 50 of them.... by the way i understand them but i dont justify it though.
Never heard about this before. Thanks for covering.
This and the Hooton plan certainly got buried from common knowledge. It's good to be reminded of why it's a bad idea to assign guilt based on groups
Unless it is a group people choose to join knowing what it represents.
@@michaelpettersson4919 you could literally say this about yourself now, you think our apathy towards neo liberal globalized chattel slavery is gonna look good in 3000? when we were complaining about neo nazis when the world was literally #@$king melting because of the life we were sucking out of it for (not even) our own benefit?, yeah... I'm sure your SOooooo concerned about human well-being.ヾ(*´∀｀*)ﾉ
I wonder what else is covered up.
@@michaelpettersson4919 so your basicly trying to say every German soldier joined knowing what Hitler's plans were?
You are out of your mind
@@crf80fdarkdays Few knew and as such cannot be blamed just for joining especially not with conscription in mind. The SS however didn't start to conscript people until near the end of the war and before that it also functioned essentially as Germany's foreign legion with many people who wasn't into it for the national socialist politics but for a chance to fight the communists. Finally when it come to actual acts of genocide, something even the army participated in occasionally, those doing the actual killings could opt out on participation. So those that took part in those actions did do despite an option not to.
“Never again” was supposed to mean for anyone.
Empathy though is a superpower
Not for the Palestinians
@@terrysanders5109 Yes, the Palestinians don't have any empathy or even any self worth. They support a terrorist group that couldn't care less what they brought to their people and hide luxury apartments in Qatar and in tunnels while the people are meant to fend for themselves. They tear water pipes out of the ground to build rockets and store weapons in nurseries. And yet, the Palestinian people support them, why? Because they want revenge above all else, even if it means killing their own children.
An eye for an eye makes makes both of you a pirate.
YARRRRRR!
But... what about pirates with both eyes? :-O
@@Briselance they love the SEE 👀
@@suedenim6590 bruh -_-
To think, those who just experienced a genocide would plot to commit genocide. It’s disgusting, but it also reveals a lot about human nature.
You would too. Because that what a human would do.
@@vigneshkr7072 Clearly not, since the vast majority of Jewish and Roma survivors were not involved in this.
@@patriciabrenner9216 As a Jew myself i am Happy my people didn’t become blinded by Hatred. We shouldn’t kill those who are Innocent of a Crime.
@@Wilhelm322 No German was innocent. Very simple. Men and women were criminals. And given what they did to millions of Jewish children, I couldn't care less about their kinder.
@@patriciabrenner9216 Okay i’m a Jewish German so i don’t get sympathy because i’m German? What about the Jewish People killed by Allied Bombing in German Cities? The Allies Bombed Würzburg killing many Jewish Children there. My Family was Jewish and i lost nearly my entire Family in WW2 and i can tell you none of them did anything to deserve that fate.
I can truly say I had never heard of this incident until today. What a fascinating (and somewhat horrifying) story. Thank you "Into the Shadows" for casting some light on this largely forgotten corner of history.
I have never5 heard of this before. Thank you for broadening my knowledge
"Revenge is like a poison. It can take you over, and before you know it, it can turn you into something ugly." - The other quote from Spider Man that more people need to remember. Or I haven't heard it enough.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
who wrote spiderman? hitler told you an was killed (by you) for it.
you sound like satan.
@@ShawnJonesHellion You have issues, get help!
Don't quote spiderman like a baby
@Nicolai Myshkin you shut up
This channel really lives up to its name, doesn't it. Holy smokes, Batman, heavy stuff.
Only cause I know Simon isn't a skin-head, I would assume this one of those ridiculous, antisemitic conspiracies spreading all over the internet.
BIFF!
@@badluck5647 Would you prefer Antifa?
@@LynnAgain83 No one wants to hear your Qaron conspiracy theories
@@LynnAgain83 you mean that tiny group with no overarching organization, 90% of whose achievements and danger sprang purely from the minds of Fox news hosts and similar such demagogues? Riiiiiight…
There is a saying that slander always hurts at least three people: the person it’s about, the people who listen, and the person who spreads it. Revenge works in very much the same way: You’re hurting yourself, the person you take revenge on, and anyone who’s involved with/recruited by either of you.
The same can be said about evil in general. Evil begets evil. Your nation commits genocide, expect your victim to come after you in vengeance.
That's not revenge, that's consequences.
you don't get to wake up one day agree and try to genocide your neighbor and then expect to sleep comfortably, waking up to an intact society the day after what you did.
You violated the social contract. You reap what you sow.
What a dumb philosophy lolll
@@greggemerer8251It's unfortunate that too many white people in the United States who are racist simply refuse to understand that simple fact....
This is the Sad story of humanity, someone commits a horrible crime, the surviving victim will then project their desire for revenge on somebody else by association, it can be gender, race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, political views, anyone who has something in common with the perpetrator will have to pay for a crime they did not commit in the first place. And just like that, the cycle of ressentment, hatred and violence continues. It keeps happening to this day, and it seems we just don't want to learn.
khorne
My dedo was 25kilo when he got out of a hard labour concentration camp. The only reason he survived is because one man who lived close by would risk his life to throw a loaf of bread over the fence. He always broke down in tears when he would get to, "if he had missed just one time".. he could never finish
What does dedo mean and what country is it from? Just wondering
My grandfather escaped to China. A total of 5 out of my family on mom's side survived...oddly on fathers side , my great uncle was a Nuremberg Prosecutor named John Lewis from NY.
Sorry your family went through that too
@@9doesinterviews21 idk but it sounds like grandpa in some slavic language.
@@9doesinterviews21 in a lot of slavic languages that means grandpa, so could be any of them, or possibly Hebrew but I'm not sure about that
@@ButterDog42069 Not Hebrew.
1:00 - Chapter 1 - The holocaust
2:50 - Chapter 2 - Revenge
4:00 - Chapter 3 - Abba kovner
5:40 - Chapter 4 - Nokmim, avengers
7:05 - Chapter 5 - A plan forms
8:00 - Chapter 6 - Plan A
10:45 - Chapter 7 - Plan B
13:55 - Chapter 8 - The time for revenge
15:00 - Chapter 9 - Poisoning
15:55 - Chapter 10 - Failure
chapter 11 - Hunting down Palestinians instead -.-
@@mho... You mean Hamas.
@@obediahpolkinghorniii564 no i mean what i said & its obvious to see, that they are after de-muslimification =/
I love history and never knew about this. I love the content you upload Simon. Especially going for long walks while listening to your videos.
If you love history you should check out The Holodomor... it will blow your mind
My good man Simon, I think we need to start a petition to get some of these stories made into movies.
Beautiful channel. This is exactly what I was hoping to find that I only got hints of in the Biographics/Geographics channels. Those dark avenues of history no one talks about... with the horrific details. Probably sounds more edgy then I had meant to, but I love 'unsantized' history. Take it all in, the violence, the horror, the sadness, for all of it is real history.
Well put .
I respect that
I so strongly agree. I have a 17 year old son who is fascinated with history, and I teach him ALL history. Even the bloodiest and most horrifying. Learn your history, or you are bound to repeat it. So you MUST face what humanity can do it left unchecked.
i happen to be an Israeli Living near Nuremberg, i can say that even today there is still an underline sentiment in the Jewish population in Israel to wish death upon the Germans. Honestly said, i find it really deplorable to have such sentiments today and even back then i wont find it justifiable.. Hate leads only to hate, many Germans were innocent ppl just going on with their lives under a cruel regime. Today many ppl ask how can the russian still support Putin and to that i say, what can a poor russian do to overthrow his dictator, when he knows that means risking his and his loved ones lives? I think the german population suffered enough throuout the war just like the rest of europe, with many starved, raped, worked to death camps and masacered too, yet of course, being the losers of the war, nobody seemed to care... 2 million German women raped, 22 Milion ethnic germans deported violently from their ancestral lands and many sent to forced Labor in unbearable conditions.. I myself experienced it first hand, being bullied for being to pale in complexion, leading to me avoiding school routinly on holocaust memorial day, or trips to Yad Vashem. Many ppl in Israel, especially those coming from the former USSR, suffer such abuse from their fellow countrymen... Youd think a ppl who suffered so much because of racism will rise above it and will be very tolerant, yet human nature prevail even the most noble desires. I recommend anyone interested to see the Netflix seire "Im Schatten des Mordes", which give a rare glimpse to the suffering of the conquered German ppl in the aftermath of ww2, even touching on the topic of Nakam. I will finish my comment by quoting a Rabbi from the serie, that when asked by another jew about Nakam he said that the only solution is either to go to Palestine or live in peace in Europe. Hate leads only to more hate which in the end leads to suffering, i believe the gratest virtue is forgiving even your worst enemies, weil only that will lead to peace.
If only I could believe your pretty words.
Alber- Latin translation (White)
Einst- German translation (Once)
Ein- German translation (One)
Indeed, even the German people were victims of their own regime during WW2. Hitler somehow caused even more German deaths during WW2, 6.4 to 7.9 Millions German deaths, so no further revenge necessary.
@@AlbertaleoAlbertaleialbert
Just imagine if this happen, the extreme cycle of hatred will continue
Thank you guys! I'll always tune in! Beautiful, passionate work you all do!
“Vengeance is an idiot’s game.”
-Arthur Morgan, 1899
They need to make the sequel about this line. We need more context, Arthur!
Correction: *revenge is a fools game*
Play stupid games win stupid prices.
*fool's
@@nox6948 He’s said it both ways
"Revenge is like politics, one thing always leads to another until bad has become worse, and worse has become worse." -- Jonas Jonasson
An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.
True but I'd rather be blind facing my blind enemy than be blind facing an enemy that can see
Unfortunately it seems like the whole world is already blind. As far as I know there’s no cure for blindness, also not all blind people want to see again. The world lacks empathy yes, but people are becoming so narcissistic.
Yesterday I had a nurse argue with me over the face that the term smiling depression lightens the fact that you have depression. The fact you can put on a smile while dying inside. One positive word is a step in a better direction. Depression is still depression like she said, but if you start changing your outlook on disorders, it can help make things seem not as hopeless. This coming from a person who takes 12 different medications a day for chronic pain, arthritis, and many mental disorders.
@@soonmeekim930 I'm sorry but your comment is all over the place and not making any point
@@Henry-zh2ci that's not the point of the saying. It's that if everyone seeks revenge for everything, nothing worth it will remain. Like in this case, imagine the plan succeeded and millions of Germans got killed. Now the Germans would be angry because many of them weren't actually for killing jews but now a lot of them are and start killing jews in revenge. If it gets bad enough they would end up genociding each other out of existence
This quote can be attributed to Gandhi....
"An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." Genocide doesn't excuse genocide.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind is not true, It would leave one guy with one eye.
@@JustDaniel6764 And then the guy who put out that guy gets his eye put out and then someone puts out the guy who put out the first guy's eye out and then repeat about 8 billion more times and everyone's blind.
You miss the point. The point is that if violence is to stop someone has to stop it. Or, as I put it, "Genocide doesn't excuse genocide."
Yes, I get how utterly horrific the Holocaust is. I thank god that I can't comprehend the scale of death. Hell, I even agree that killing the people who did it isn't unjust... But does that mean that the families of the people who did it deserve to die?
@@AngelusNielson I haven't missed the point at all.
didn't the guy who say that call Hitler a peaceful man?
Thank you so much for this enlightening video which informs me of of a movement and a group in history I previously had no knowledge of!
Keep the great content coming!
Looking forward to seeing more of your work across all of your different channels :)
Thanks for the video Simon!In the end we should learn that "Hurt people can only hurt more people "
When the fire department goes to put out a fire, just remember that they generally use water.
Amazing how many deliberately twist the meaning of 'an eye for an eye' to excuse their own atrocities.
The ideology itself is destructive, it doesn't even have to be taken out of context
If we lost 6 million of our people from babies to elderly and how they did through gas chambers, poisoning babies by dropping poison into their mouths which did happen in Eastern Europe mass executions by shooting and burnings making furniture out of people's skin and using dead Jewish women's hair for things when you really read about how bad it was not just in concentration camps but what the Einsatsgruppen death squads did... Anyone would want revenge. I would have thought like you if I didn't know just how bad it really was but reading deep into what the Nazis and how they carried out what they did in camps and in Eastern Europe they are much much worse than the average person think.
They happily forget the second half of the modern version of that phrase: "and the world goes blind"
@@jeremy5602 that wasnt part of the original saying, eye for eye was about meditated punishment that would only affect the criminal, the eye for and eye and the world goes blind saying is stupid because you are supposed to only made a proper punishment
@@derekhalcon8287 If you look closely, I said "the second half *_of the modern version of that phrase"_*
"If there was a revenge plot that at least remotely sounded justified, it would be this" - just no. "Revenge" where you target people who had little to nothing to do with the holocaust (your average German) is not even revenge. It is vengefulness. There are a million revenge plots that actually target people who are responsible for something horrific - and there would be more of a justification.
@@arturobuco So you are saying a "regular Hans" who was affraid of the Nazi party and did not speak up and intervene with violence to save (or try to save) the victims is as guilty as Hitler or any of the antisemitic propagandists? Sure if it makes things easier you can do that, but given the gravity of the situation I would put a little more thought and differentiation into your analysis.
@@arturobuco Cleaning history is claiming regular Germans had no responsibility, which I don't. I am not even German and have no sympathy at all for Nazi ideology. So don't throw around such accusations so casually just because somebody disagrees with you. To reiterate: calling every German citizen as guilty as Hitler is what I think is false. It is such simplified thinking that makes people hate entire populations and formulate revenge plots as displayed in this video. Now generalizing groups and planning coordinated violent murders on them... sound familiar? It is both ironic and sad that people often can't learn from history.
@@arturobuco Blaming whole single race for small minorities atrocity is what starts and keeps these mass murders going. The next step is "every german was guilty, dirty and deserving of punishment" etc. Collective punishing or blaming is the dumbest thing a human can say or do.
Also, you might want to read up on history and see how there were many germans who spoke against nazis actions.. and were executed for it. Succesfull uprising requires more people coming towards at the same time than the regime has time to kill. In Germany this was not possible. Or in Soviet Union. Or communist China. or.. or...
According to your reasoning, every russian is guilty for every mass murder Stalin ordered and every chinese is guilty of every death Mao caused. As are every american guilty of almost causing genocide, mass killings and torture on indians. You start handing collective verdict of 'guilty' for entire races and nations, we are all guilty.
As you said: "Don't clean history..." There is no white, you are going all black and the world is grey.
@@alaric_ Thanks for your elaboration, I fully agree.
@@arturobuco You sound like someone who should be locked up. An extremist for sure.
excellent video, this is the first time i've heard of this plan. I enjoy your investigative work very much, you are always spot on. Best regards from Greece.
its part of their culture and religion to be vindictive. They've been holding a grudge since their expulsion from Jerusalem
You cannot convict a whole demographic for the crimes of those in power. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Wehrmacht soldiers were war criminals. It’s just to convict the SS psycho, it’s not just to blame the simple Heir troop for fighting for his country and, and it’s an atrocity to attack the German civilian.
Just taking orders isn't moral high ground or justification for doing genocide. Think of it this way you and 6 friends have a campout over a cliff, y'all get into a spat with another camp group and 3 of your friends push their car off a cliff. Do you think the person who's car is destroyed off the cliff will go it was only those three guys or blame your whole group. If you're around for the crime and don't stop it or look the other way you're also complicit
Oh yeah… because Hitler didn’t rise to power with the aid of the German people.
It was just a few random people that nearly wiped out eastern Europes Jews…. It’s not like antisemitism was rampant in Germany before Hitler
@@HighDins shut up nerd, but seriously though, do you really think you can hold accountable every german for nazism? Even kids and women? How? I mean what power did they held in that system? And you could even say the same for most of german men, who were not even nn the army.
@@HighDins It would be unreasonable to expect me to be able to stop 3 people from pushing the car off the cliff.
@@Xvladinthe cop isn't gunna go okay pal you're right you had nothing to do with this with your friends and you couldn't reasonably stop them. You'd be an accessory with your friends to the crime regardless.
"industrial slaughter" really makes the point to differentiate from other horrors like Rwanda, the Armenians and so many more. it truly boggles the mind and shows there are no limits. great video, thanks. can you please do a video on why the Allies never bombed the railway and tracks leading to the Death Camps? i never understood this.
Yeah I'd like to see that video as well , 😂
Being industrially slaughtered is way better than beong slaughtered by ones own neighbors. The latter shows much more malice on an individual level.
@@MrCmon113 its your neighbors who are employed in the industry.
@@albertangeloro5832
You're neighbors are doing paperwork and know that probably nothing good is happening to you. That's different from them personally raping and murdering your daughter in front of you.
How many people would just do their regular jobs and not make too much of a fuzz about a neighbor getting taken away vs how many would actively lead a lynching?
Rwanda, Armenia, the Holodomor where a Soviet Bureaucracy (80% cultural Jews) killed 10 million 1932-1933, yet all we hear about is the Holocaust ruclips.net/user/shortsOV807zgLalQ
I think this is Simon's best channel, and that's saying something. It constantly surprises me with information I had know idea about. Into the shadows indeed,
The hatred of man and man's inability to live together in peace is so sad.
You’re a brave man taking on this one.
There were such genocides before (over Armenians, Assyrians, Syriacs, Chaldeans, Pontic Greeks...)
Unlike many other perpetrators, Germans like to put all plans on paper and make precise updated logs. The others did not make such documentation, some pass the plans orally, so the obvious genocide plan and execution is visible from the number and ethnic pattern of the victims.
It’s also worth noting that the Germans have apologized extensively, and have proven that they are truly abhorred at what their country once did. As for another genocide you mentioned… that country still claims nothing at all happened. I don’t have a drop of ill will towards a single German today because of the holocaust. They did literally nothing. I will never judge somebody for the sins of their ancestors. But I will absolutely hold a grudge for those that actively cover up the sins of their ancestors.
@@bigpapi6688 I agree. Germany today is the country that cares the most about the memory of Holocaust, and heavily sanctions any Holocaust deniers.
@@bigpapi6688GOOD! Then hold a grudge against the USA for its continued horrific treatment of Blacks and indegenous peoples!!
I love fact boy and his neverending amount of channels ❤️
He just reads scripts
"Nothing like the Holocaust had happened before...or since..." _UNLESS_ you disregard Belgium's King Leopold's colonization of Congo from 1885 to 1908, where an estimated TEN MILLION died from killings, famine, and disease. Severed hands became the infamous symbol of the colonial state where officials brutally maimed those failing to deliver harvest quotas. Forced labour, corporal punishments, kidnapping, and slaughtering of rebellious villages were among other atrocities recorded during the period. So...yes. The Holocaust was horrible.
But, at least it wasn't *_forgotten_*
SHHEEIIT!
Look at AMERICAN HISTORY, and see hundreds of millions of non-whites being killed off for no other reason than just pure greed!! This has happened over the course of more than 400 years already!
That crime has never been published. And the guild rest upon the Belgian government doing nothing.
So what happened to all the REAL Americans?
Ruthless exploitation is different from systematic , deliberate genocide...
Or the Armenian genocide
Another fascinating video. I love history, but did not know about this. Thank you for sharing these.
Should look up The Holodomor, crazy crazy stuff
Depending on how you want to look at it the 1994 Rwandan genocide is probably the most comparable to the holocaust. The holocaust had 6m Jews over 4 years(+6m others but nobody seems to remember them). It gives an annual toll of ~1.5m Jews, Rwandan genocide was ~800k in 100 days giving annual toll of 2.9m
The holocaust is unique. A modern nation turns its massive resources on identifying, segregating, imprisoning and murdering a religious minority widely dispersed among many other nations. The system of killing, the engineering of a killing machine on a massive scale is what makes the holocaust unique. In contrast, the Rwandan genocide was more like a civil war, a revolt of the Hutu majority against the more privileged Tutsi minority. The Rwandan genocide, if it is to be compared to a Jewish experience, was a giant pogrom, a spasm of violence involving countryman against countryman. Crunching numbers to arrive at a daily killing rate is a pointless exercise. Historical events need to be understood in their fullest sense, not reduced to a simple calculation.
it more of less about the number and more about the method, the holocaust sound like a slaughterhouse for x group of ppl whom are treated as animals.
my country did face a civil war and ethnic killing but regadless of the number, holocaust is kinda unique on the method.
Well... It's arguably still a difference.
The Rwandan genocide was a genocide in the form of a pogrom, that is to say that it took place in the shape of a lynching riot that had the governments support.
There were also pogroms in nazi germany, but the actual holocaust was a genocide in the form of a well-organized government and military operation.
In terms of killing rates, the two may be comparable, but the actual course of the two is very different.
@@mortygoldmacher It should be noted that by the time the rwandan genocide took place, the Tutsi were no longer a privileged group but actually discriminated against on a large and institutional scale.
@@mortygoldmacher all genocides are obviously disgusting but we always tend look only at the event and never what led up to it or caused it. If we could only learn the lessons from those things maybe we could prevent them before they happen.
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
-Gandhi
Can't think of a better quote for such a heavy episode
Mercy, and forgiveness takes and shows far more strength then revenge and hatred.
@@timdillon4876 Yeah, but when people keep asking that of the victims, they'll get more than a little fed up.
Gandhi*
It's not true though, an eye for an eye leaves two people with only 1 eye.
Nope the last person has 1 eye left..
Two wrongs don’t make a right - A Wise person
“I've been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again” -Erik Lehnsherr
*Real Life Inspiration for Marvel X-Men’s Magneto and his followers?*
Magneto was imprisoned at Auschwitz when he was a child and his family was Jewish. It was in the comics and it was in X-Men: Origins.
So... yeah. Definitely. The irony is that he became like the people who tormented him all those years ago.
Ironically, this type of revenge had already been done by the death of millions of expelled German settlers in East Europe.
While I don't know precisely how many people perished under those circumstances (though I suspect they may be in the millions) there's also plenty of evidence that several hundred thousand, if not a million German POWs died in the prisoner camps at the end of the war, mainly in those under French control. The fate of many Germans has been ignored by most historians.
My grandfather was one of them he was a pow from the brits first got taken to the south by train and was taken as pow by the french despite his release papers he was forced to work in a coal mine but he managed to escape after some time he said the brits and americans were fine men but the french caused all kinds of atrocities at least from what he saw@@Thermopylae2007
The phrase "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" is not and has never been a call to entice or incite revenge, it is and has always been a call to keep any vengeance in check, to practice moderation and rationality when meting out justice, to maintain boundaries. It calls for restorative justice, not rampages of revenge.
People will hear what they want to hear.
Too bad it's highly ambiguous, just like most ancient "words of wisdom":
They're all just empty phrases today, either because they've been shortened to the point they can't clearly convey their original intention anymore, or because they could never convey it to someone who didn't know their historical context in the first place.
This plot doesn't sound "remotely justified" at all.
Besides, how many millions of Germans had already been melted into pools of organic material by Allied strategic bombing campaigns? How many Germans were beaten, raped, and killed by advancing Soviet forces? How many died of starvation and disease when they were forcibly relocated?
This "revenge plot" is disgusting.
@BIGESTblade I didn't ask such a question.
The irony is that the more extreme you get, the more reasonable the Nazis look.
@@tinman3586 I suppose you are right on that point. After all the thing they were wrong about is the targets of their persecution.
@@tinman3586Made perfect sense to me.
So what you're saying is, you not only don't comprehend what took place, but also your own wording... 🤣
I just can't with you -people-
Ah a nazi sympathizer I see
The Germans had one of the largest mass r*pes commited at them by the soviets.
I'm incredibly glad this failed, it wouldn't have been justified and would've caused far worse problems down the line for everyone. Revenge is a fool's game.
Churchill was, at least for a time, entertaining the idea of forcing Germany to become an agrarian society. Doing that to a people of high education fostering engineers would have bern soulcrushing to them.
@@michaelpettersson4919 They actually began this process and continued deindustrializing Germany until the early 50s. The Soviets straight up took most of the industry in the east back to the soviet union.
You wouldn't be saying that if one of your family was a victim fromulus or you lived through the hell they did. Either way it would have made things worst
@@samuelademeso9041 you don't speak for all affected by the holocaust, and not all affected by the holocaust agree with it.
@@samuelademeso9041 would you say that if your family were the perpetrators?
Leaving the comment section open here is perhaps the bravest thing you've ever done on TouYube
Something to remember is that a great many who died in the Holocaust were Germans themselves. Germans of Jewish ancestry, but Germans. They were our countrymen, many of whom had families who had been living in Deutschland for centuries were happy to call it home. Racial purity? You can read the whole map of Deutschland in my features, but I also have France and Ireland in my veins. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Jawhol, this one unter-sturmfuhrer!
Lol. J/k, I'd have fought the SNazis tooth and nail.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennow Hmm... If you were Germany at the time The National Socialist Party was going to round people up, you'd have to get past a thousand paranoid brownshirts and the Gestapo first. Guns were not banned to civilians, but gun laws were so tight and security was so paranoid, it almost wasn't worth buying or even owning one.
@@konigeurichderwestgoten4460 many partisans had success in areas NEAR Germany. To say nothing of those who actively fought from within. Options existed, just ask the multitude of fighters who used the SNazi's own weapons against them. Plus, anything can BE a weapon if you're careful. J/S, folks COULD have fought.
@@stillcantbesilencedevennowCould have. Should have. But would have? Most people don't want to take the big risks.
“Our countrymen”? Germans like you don’t deserve to exist. Germans need to absolve the sins they have committed.
Hi there, german here. I think we are a pretty normal people and this plan is absolutely cruel. If nothing else they would have set themselves down to the same level as the nazis.
The fact that you called this even remotely justified is disgusting.
Well it is disgusting, true but nomral ppl don't put womans and childrens in gas chambers.
To the same level as the nazis? You are the nazis!
@@duckLife24_7Don’t become what you hate.
@@duckLife24_7and what is Israel (fake country) doing today? And what was that little thing a certain group of people were involved with establishing it, lots of money exchanged hands, men were sent to die fighting in Europe not knowing they let were being used by puppets to establish a place called Israel lol
@@erensioas someone who studied genocide at a university level I can confirm the terrifying thing is there is always a gradual, cumulative radicalisation. One of the most chilling factors is that given the right circumstances, many "normal" people might. Of course that doesn't at all justify the horrible deeds that were done in the Holocaust or other genocides but we should always be aware that while we'd like to imagine ourselves as plucky resistance fighters, many would instead be more akin to informants or collaborators.
Even as somebody from Lithuania, like most I've never heard this story. It's odd how this didn't become something more widespread in history.
Because Jewish people are protected from criticism
@@HelloHelloe ?
@@mantasna7025 Kanye said it so it must be true
@@mantasna7025 kodėl tavo manimu žydai buvo nekenčiami iki tokio lygio?
@@PanzerFaust1754 Neisivaizduoju, tai pagrinde pradejo htleris, kurio net motina pusiau zyde.
When you see one of Simon's videos and think to yourself, "Wow it's only 17 minutes? That's kinda short."
Do you blaze?
@@aranhsm2819 Of course epic blazes are my favorite.
@@MangaMaster13 you legend
OGBB
Just one point of clarification: The Bible does mention the phrase "an eye for an eye..." but it is Jesus who said that behavior is not acceptable. Most people gloss over that, or misuse it.
true that. Its in the old testament but Jesus said is not a good thing
Maybe they just do not know? Gloss over and misuse require knowledge.
Exactly what I was thinking. Jesus changed all that. People read parts of the Bible and say ‘it says here’ without reading the whole book. Ignorant and sad.
"The Bible does mention the phrase "an eye for an eye..." but it is Jesus who said that behavior is not acceptable."
Still, turning the other cheek is a big no-no.
@@Briselance Do you even know what ‘turning the other cheeks’ meant in context?
Back then, when slapping someone, it was done with the back of the hand only. It was both a cultural and legal thing.
Slapping someone with the right hand meant that you recognized them as an equal, which was a _huge_ statement to make back then.
If the one you slapped showed you his other cheek, then you could either 1) stop slapping him, 2) slap him with the right hand instead, which was basically a reputation killer since you just recognized someone of lesser status as your equal, or 3) continue slapping with the left hand, but since the guy turned his head, that meant you’d strike him in the front of the face instead of the cheek, which was legally an assault rather than a slap. And even if the Roman Empire gave extra rights to its soldiers and citizens over the non-citizens, the empire also didn’t tolerate its law being broken. So either way, the one doing the slapping was basically forced to stop.
Jesus never teached to surrender to evil, but to resist it. It’s just that using blind violence to resist evil would often backfire.
how the fuck is this "renmotely justified" fucking hell.
Ghengis khan out did the nazis. I always have to remind “historians” of that. The mongols made the nazis look like JV.
and tehre wasen´t not as much population so it was worse
SHHEEIIT! Look at AMERICAN HISTORY, and examine hundreds of reports of mass exterminations of various indegenous tribes and peoples----a great many which have been completely removed from the planet, NEVER to be experienced by those living in this moment in time....
And the perpetrators of those evils were NEVER punished!
Stalin outdid the nazis. Churchill outdid the nazis. Etc etc
My aunt Joann’s mom escaped the Holocaust. She was a tough lady. Her name was Rose Clark. They were Romanians living in Hungary.
She never talked about it. I know it had to be a burden on her heart.
@@NwoSaturn parents sent their children to other countries to save them from the nazis,
People ran from the nazis, until the nazis invaded and went to war to with the countries they ran to
Your aunt mom huh? Not your grandmother tho... The lie detector has determined that was a lie!
could be an aunt by marriage.
@@NwoSaturn looks like we found the neo nazi 🤡🤡
@@NickyT757 are you the guy that keeps saying the heer were innocents when they actively worked with the SS to kill innocents?
Although I am something of a history buff, I had never heard of this incident. Astounding! Thank you for bringing it to light.
Imagine taking all the horrors that had been done to your people and playing them out as reciprocation. The world would just be fire.
Having someone, whose username is Scumbag, comment this really emphasizes this point. It's both true and sad.
Me being a scumbag or my point lol
The world has always been on fire; it only depends where you are.
Soooooo...basically the gaza strip?
And to make things worse, such people tend to be blinded by their thirst for revenge and as such lash out at the wrong people, especially if the guilty ones are unreachable, dead, or their identities unkown.
I am so glad you made this video. It shows in this day ang age that just because one side of historical act was incredibly wrong, the response shouldn't be to be just as incredibly wrong in return.
No. It was right. The Jews had a good idea. Germans are uniquely evil.
As Mahatma Ghandhi said: "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."
@@JohnSmith-ct5jd One of the few times I agree with Gandhi the pedo
Bro it’s not like this was a massive plan made by every holocaust survivor, literally just 50 sick people. Take everything you see on RUclips with a grain of salt
and the message fell on the deaf ears of half the people it reached
Looks like my main comment got flagged somehow, as it seems gone for no reason, but here's some of the thoughts from it: Regarding what I'm seeing in the comments, I feel like more people need to learn it's okay to sympathize with the pain that people have felt, while recognizing that sympathy doesn't mean condonation, or even mercy when the time comes. A comparison can be made to someone who contracts AIDS because someone forced it upon them, and then, they, in turn, forcing it upon others around the original monster as an act of revenge. They didn't deserve the cruelty they were dealt, but they aren't right to continue the spread, no matter how much pain they have felt. When confronted by a person who's lost so much, it's okay to give sympathy, but not absolution.
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Who are we to give absolution? Or decide who gets it?
@@Kerosene.Dreams We're the people who have to share this world with everyone else, and the collective consequences of all choices and actions in it. The decisions on who to absolve and who to punish are about choosing what battles are worth fighting, with our limited times and resources, for any individual or collective set of principles, and will carry their own consequences.
Mine as well, YT has some serious bad guy vibes anymore
"Though justice be thy plea, consider this:
That in the course of justice none of us
Should see salvation. We do pray for mercy"
This makes me think of a group who wanted revenge for the dropping of the atomic bombs.. Though that group was stopped by other Japanese people. There is a portion of my family tree that died out due to one of those two bombs. But like most others from my country. We fully realize that if those bombs where never dropped.. The war would have went on longer and would have become far more bloody than it already was. Japan would not have given up at all if it was not for those bombs, even then part of it still did not give up.. But eventually even those people did. With the exception of the small group I am referring to here... And this would have happened during the cold war era if they where not stopped.. Its not too well known outside of Japan, and even then its only really known to those from specific areas of Japan or at least, those related to people who where from those areas..
Horrible acts where committed by all nations that where part of that war just like the previous one that also involved the world.. Its better that we learn from these mistakes and try to find ways of working with each other better, understanding each other better, and getting along with each other better.. I know some of this is just impossible simply due to the fact that humans can not completely remove their own nature.. But its something that should not mean we should stop trying...
Sadly not enough of history is remembered, and things very well might end up repeating again.
The Nakam plan wasn't scratched off. It was only redirected at Palestinians
And began forcing people out of their homes at gunpoint. And when people protested against those injustices Israel called them antisemitic even when orthodox ,Ethiopian and Sephardic jews were against those injustices and were part of those protests
But we have to question why direct civilian cities where chosen as targets to demonstrat the bombs destructiv power to the japanese gouverment. Why not first an unhabitat island or if they want to target human, then a military base.
@@Phoenixfede1989 The US at that time could only produce two bombs each year, so they had to go with the most valuable targets first.
Transportation hubs and factories, which allowed Japan to continue the fighting. Unfortunately this meant targeting areas with lots of civilians that were there because those things needed lots of workers.
The idea was if Japan still didn't surrender then the bombs would be hitting key targets anyway.
Psychopaths exist in every nation of the world, it is up to us not to allow them into positions of power. How? We just don't know. My heart has always felt for Japan - those two bombs were a wake up call for the entire world to see why revenge is as dark as the deeds that inspire it. Old people, women, children all seen in abomination of desecration. Innocents paid for psychopathic megalomania.
The psychopaths are still with us unfortunately, even after seeing what nuclear bombs did to Japan - they are carelessly and callously talking about nuclear warfare again..
We have to stop them all.
Good video! I'd never heard of this group before but in hindsight, I'm surprised there weren't more in the aftermath of WWII. Maybe there were?
Many more slavs died. Do you see slavs taking revenge?
@@user-ji4gf5xr9y Not officially, but I know about some of what the Red Army did while occupying Germany. After that, they occupied half the country. It was all very punitive at the very least.
Eitherway, my surprise was about the existence of an organized group of Jews wanting to take revenge in this way. I didn't know of this.
@@borja1000 Soviet army was not revenge squads. Do u see Poles, Czechs, Slovaks organizing revenge squads?
@@user-ji4gf5xr9y Yes, that existed. And not in small organized groups like Nakam. It was actually generalized.
The Red Army were given carte blanch to loot occupied German towns that descended into multiday orgies of rape and pillage. In Poland and Czechoslovakia there was a period of widespread mass persecutions and violent punitive actions taken against German populations at large (without evidence of them being nazis) with total impunity.
Note that I say this without casting judgment of taking any sides. It was a time of total chaos and very high, emotions.
@@borja1000 yeah again. one is a general hysteria that parallels and succeeds war where the less civlized members of society go on rampage. quite another is to systematically plan the murder of millions of people (including children) who incidentally had largely nothing to do with any particular actions that sparked this anger. the soviets never stooped that low even.
No just no, when you try to downplay the USSR and Communist China killings just because they were not "industrialized" is just stupid. I understand the difference in how the mass killing at least seems more gruesome due to the industrialized way it occurred but the Communist killings were just as brutal but what stays out of sight is easily forgotten. It's not likely you find footage of the victims of Mao or the USSR unlike the Nazi's.
I just wanna know how this mans daily conversation works.
There were many acts of revenge and vigilante justice on Germany. The Russians suffered greatly under the Germans and shot POWs and German civilians, going as far to deport the Volga Germans who had nothing to do with the Nazis. American soldiers after liberating camps in the West shot guard and handed their guns to the inmates and let them go wild on their captors. Conditions in POW camps in the USA and Britain became more harsh after the allies discovered the concentration camps. Axis POWs we're beaten, abused, and neglected. Even after the war hundreds of German civilians were massacred and imprisoned in camps where their captors would torture and abuse them. In the east thousands of Germans including Hitler youths were imprisoned and many did not survive their captivity.
It's awful but... Fuck humans we're all pieces of shit in not for it nor against it
@свевский except millions didn't die, in the west at least, we will never know how many millions did or did not die in east Berlin
Good riddance
@свевский the Germans had it easy compared to their occupied territories
@@hermocrasbreadlord9557 No they had it worse than everyone else in Europe except the Soviets.
Thank you for this little history lesson. A lot of people don't believe that anything happened to the German people after the war was over. They say that life went on after the war but how could it, logically it couldn't
'denazification' by the Americans was a pretty horrific crime when you read what it actually meant, how Germans were treated, and how many died...
@@unbabunga229 yes it is sad just 31 sign of the battle oh, I like to hear both sides is quite interesting
@@unbabunga229 lol most officers got off and many were brought to the US through operation paperclip.
😂 didn't the U.S hire hide and employee most of the Nazi's top people (officer's scientist and engineers)?
@@unbabunga229cry me a River . Your sympathy is wrongly placed
They’re still working on this btw
Even if they are, then so what? The nazis started it.
@@cjgroves4429???
"An eye for eye makes the whole world blind." - Gandhi
I'm convinced this mentality for revenge never ended.
Why do we assume they wouldn't want revenge?
almost as if we are living during their current revenge.
Maybe the Holocaust was revenge for the Jewish Bolsheviks murdering over 10 million Christians?
Yes i assume they would want revenge but i never assumed they would be willing to Murder Innocents.
@@ildlyn8966😒
Thinking that people can seriously justify killing millions of innocent people as an act of revenge just because millions of your own people had previously perished is disgusting, It would only make you as bad those those who had persecuted you. Genocide can never be justifiable no matter what reason it is done for.
I can imagine thinking that would solve everything in the heat of the moment. Also, people are forgetting that it wasn’t like a bunch of Jews just got up and said: “let’s kill the Germans!”. Nazis had a hitler, so did the Jews most likely.
“Just because” dude. Thats a pretty good reason for why you would want to become the villain. “Just because you lost all your families?”
When something needlessly cruel is done to you, who do you blame? When you lose everything, what do you do next? Of course genocide is wrong, but it isnt hard to see why they thought of it as a fitting revenge. If i had to be dehumanized in a camp and watch my family die and countless of my kin as well, i do not know what i would want if i could escape.
Just because you can empathize with someone doesn't make what the do okay in the slightest.
There were no innocent Germans. None. They were all criminals.
Make them just as bad or resetting the bar to a new zero?