Author John McWhorter On How Antiracism Has Become A Religion On The Left
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2024
- In the new book 'Woke Racism,' author and professor John McWhorter argues that the idea of 'wokeness' and antiracism has become a new religion for liberals. McWhorter joins Morning Joe to discuss.
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Author John McWhorter On How Antiracism Has Become A Religion On The Left
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This was the most calm, rational conversation I’ve ever seen on MSNBC.
I agree and I haven’t watched this channel for about 2 years. Used to watch Cup of Joe but too biased.
Because we need more McWhorter in our public discussion.
Apparently calmly stating really quite dumb stuff gets you kudos. McWhorter should know better - doesn't appear to be using his skills as a linguist to examine this at all. Just dopey assertion.
MSNBC is still appalling but Joe and Mika seems to be recovering from TDS. They used to be good until they joined the bandwagon of every false accusation they could make against Trump. Hopefully they are coming back to normality now.
Conservative guests will do that.
I’m impressed that MSNBC is featuring John McWhorter and his new book!
Maybe they're realising that they've pushed too far to the left.
@@harisadu8998 Sure hope so.
I wonder if any of y'all realize that this "man" doesn't represent Black people, he's only representing conservative narratives @@harisadu8998
@@youknowwhoyouare2269 wait to go woke crazy
@@youknowwhoyouare2269 Ah, So you mean all black people think the same as in a monolith! Got it! Also why did you put quotation marks on the word man?
McWhorter’s mind is stellar to listen to, long form. He’s sticking to classical liberalism, & thank god for everyone who is.
Classical liberalism. Exactly. Something many on the left have forgotten.
Classical liberalism is basically pre-Trump modern American conservatism, mixed with libertarianism. (Trump conservatism is heir of populist know -nothings and fascism.) Classical liberalism was new and "liberal" back in the 19th century when the primary alternative in the rest of the world was monarchy and the remnants of mercantilism. Most countries are capitalist democracies with varying social safety nets now, so the term is kind of deceptive. Yhe old name belongs under a long gone context at this point. Historians know that stuff, but average people don't. The classical definition should be avoided in most modern conversation unless your purpose is sow confusion or take advantage of it, as a Trojan horse. The first gilded age showed us the built in issues with liberalism and laissez-faire capitalism. It doesn't just lead to utopian prosperity for all. The Progressive era dealt with it 100 years ago because the problems were pretty obvious and extensive. Since then, the Neo-Liberals starting with Reagan have brought us to a second gilded age and have proven that "classical liberal" policies really were the problem all along, and we'll keep having the same issues every time we go back to them.
@@JTScott1988McWhorter self-describes as a "cranky liberal Democrat."
@@Mikearice1 Thank you for the education and my intention is to pick the words that are the most accurate to what I’m trying to express (in today’s atmosphere). Ok. Basically I’m trying to describe what was normal my whole life until recently, the old school “liberal minded” (as in diversity of thought, allowed) and independent thinking people who respected everyone as individuals and who could listen to people with different ideas and have respectful and enlightening discussions, who strive for truth and who aren’t afraid to question group think if there are flaws in the group think. Liberals like this get called alt-right these days just for thinking aloud. Is there a term you would recommend?
@@JTScott1988 What are you talking about? He has never voted Republican in his life!
This man is a freaking genius--cuts straight through the B.S. and articulates the issue with absolute perfection
Whorter suggest that black people are held back because of woke ism. In light of institutions and policies enacted by this government to slow the progress of black people, many are doing very well. The idea that becoming empowered by the truth is somehow disempowering is laughable.
@@truthsaviour8804 Wokism isn't truth, though. It literally teaches there is no such thing as objective truth. So no, it's not laughable.
That's literally your subjective opinion. @@arscheerio
Wokism" isn't a real word sweetie, that's what y'all fail to realize. Nobody asked us permission for this word to become used against us.@@arscheerio
@@truthsaviour8804 So, your argument is that it is only by threatening people with a sledge hammer that many people are doing well who never did well before? I disagree, there were already many minorities who were doing well before you guys decided to act like lunatics and destroy people who you "perceived" to have said or done something wrong.
I have news for you, HR still looks at social media and if yours looks like a radical nut case, you don't get hired. Call it what you like. It's truth.
John McWhorter is the only reason I clicked on this. Normally I have no time for msnbc.
Same here. I’m only watching this for Mcwhorter 👍🏾👍🏾
Now RUclips is gonna be jamming msnbc down my throat for a week
@@nateb4543 hahaha I feel your pain!
@@billsimms2511 👍👍
You've made 30 comments to this channel, this isn't a one time thing @@nateb4543
John McWhorter rocks rational thinking in an emotionally based (anger, victimization) culture.
He clearly has not been victimized.
Probably, doesn't know anything about it.
@@Christopher_Bachm Clearly you have experienced victimization as a black man/woman, or else your opinion on this topic wouldn’t matter either by your logic. Genius
@@vaporz109
I wish you made sense.
You attempted to discredit JM by asserting that he has no personal experience of racial victimization, therefore he’s incapable of intelligently speaking on the topic and his stance is therefore null and void.
I’m following your ridiculous logic and claiming that YOU are probably also not a victim of racial victimization and therefore YOUR opinion is even more irrelevant.
@@Christopher_Bachm most blacks people have not much to the chagrin of white progressives
This man is on fire! Finally ... he's on MSNBC ... great to see him there ... I get the sense that McWhorter has given these guys permission to actually start saying what they surely have been thinking for a while!
Yes Professor, thank you for saying it. Everyone seems to be falling all over themselves to show how woke they are, and it isn't just obvious among race relations, but with LGBT, and treatment of women. Stop telling us how woke you are, and just start doing the right thing even when it isn't getting you attention.
Your essay says so much about you, than it ever could about the groups you specifically targeted
Your mention of the "treatment of women" speaks volumes, and it's depressing that you'd include them into your rant
My Mom used to say, "Treat everybody with dignity and respect and you will get along with everybody". She was a wise woman.
Brad W.- Well said!!!
@@youknowwhoyouare2269 You're missing his point entirely.
Kudos to morning joe for actually having someone on who has the intellectual capacity to cut through their bs.
I bet you didn't understand a word that he said.
I learned more about American history from Thomas Souwel ( black man) and Dinesh D’Souza ( Indian immigrant) than any white liberal teacher with an agenda
@@Navy35 didn’t D’Souza go to jail?
It's Because Joe is conservative he's just P whipped by a liberal female that he has to appease on a daily.
@@kristaylor7119 yea for a sill campaign donation that no one else has ever gone to jail for. Doesn't make him incorrect
Thank you, Professor McWhorter. You’re standing up strong. “Because it hurts us, Eddie.” What a great answer to the only real challenge to your thesis on this segment.
That was the stupidest answer to be given and that you think it was so profound reveals the depths of your ignorance!!
@@leronharrison1110 exactly. Saying it hurts us to call out people who are trying to is profoundly stupid, and that’s What McWhorter was trying to do.
@@NoPawn You obviously didn't read my stand alone comment and realize that I'm highly critical of McWhorter. My comment here is ambiguous because the referent of the opening "that" is unclear; "That" refers to McWhorter's "Because it hurts us, Eddie" comment. That comment from McWhorter was the height of stupidity and that you and Gregory think it is a profound statement shows the shallowness of your thinking.
@@leronharrison1110 Sorry for the confusion. I was backing you up. You're right.
@@NoPawn No problem; if you're supporting my critique of McWhorter then I appreciate that and apologize for the mistaken vitriol. The price of writing such critiques on a forum like this.
Surprised MSNBC is actually having a discussion about how woke is harming this country.
Well MSNBC is still on the conservative side (so like the moderate Democrats). Many of their analysts, and anchors like Joe Scarborough are former Republicans.
@@Mzee1084 no, they're not.
@@jamescurran6277 Yes, they are. Joy Reid is one of the few exceptions, but the majority of MSNBC is conservative. European nations see both our political parties as conservative.
@Ron Patrowski MSNBC is corporate owned like Fox News. They want to protect corporate interests. The Democratic Party establishment also favors corporate interests due to lobbying, so compared to many European nations they are conservative. MSNBC also has shifted more since around the time Trump came along to pick up the disenfranchised Conservatives who had been leaving the Republican Party for moving too far to the extreme right. Joe Scarborough, and Nicole Wallace being 2 of their main anchors are conservatives.. They also have many conservative commentators.
@@Mzee1084 what a joke. Mostly left wing propaganda
Dr. John McWhorter. His calm reason is SO refreshing and restores my faith in people. I'd love to sit over a beer with him.
As a Black American man. I wholeheartedly agree with the author. Tokenism and coddling black people is detrimental to our overall development. However true racism and bigotry must never be tolerated. All we need as a people is true equal opportunity, fair justice and legal protection. We have shown as a people that we can do more than survive. We can thrive and exceed expectations. Our ancestors have shown this with the 1st Black Wall Street in Tulsa Oklahoma, Seneca Village (Now Central Park in New York), the 2nd Black Wall Street (North Carolina) and Rosewood Florida. Just to name a few economic powerhouse successes. Sadly these towns were unjustly destroyed by real racism and violence. Hence, we must continue the fight against real racism. We must never forget and never allow this to happen again.
What McWhorter doesn't have the courage to say is that the tokenism (not wokeism) is meant to limit opportunities for black people. Symbolic gestures, fake outrage, etc are forms of racism, not some misguided attempt to end or address racism.
@@xman9190 Didn’t he more or less say that in this interview?
@@rrbar14
He put those things under the umbrella of wokeism in an attempt to define wokeism in a negative way. His is a misrepresentation of what being woke is.
Agree for the most part but racism is not really a thing in 2021. What you are really talking about is the legacy trauma of past racism still hurting black urban communities. It's a cultural thing that can be addressed by providing opportunities for black citizens in those areas, not lowering standards for them.
Every system instituted in this Nation was developed under Slavery, according to post-slavery doctrines. So no, it's much more than just a 'cultural issue' @@randallfowler9348
Speak on it brother! Finally someone is saying what I've been feeling but better displayed. Thank you!
"[The way CRT is taught in classrooms] is to teach wite and black 8 year olds to think of themselves as opposing cadres, where the most interesting thing about about black kids is what wite ppl think or don't think about them."
Brilliant.
CRT is not being taught in classrooms to 8 yr old
@@tyiingram9878 It's already being taught to 11 year olds in NYC, and in the exact way McWhorter describes, where the kids are literally told to split into racial groups, so it's a matter of time.
@@ScottJB this is absolutely not happening. Kinda like the war on voting, the right has created chaos. News flesh kids get a real dose for CRT when lil black children are abused by students and staff,with black children getting much harder treatment with three times the levels of expulsion. So if you mean kids are learning this form of CRT then yes.
@Tom F lies
@Tom F you guys still champs according to the FBI.
John McWhorter is one of the best speakers in the current political maelstrom.
Thank God John McWhorter is being heard by those on the Left.
It's interesting that voices like John's are just now being allowed on MSNBC and the likes. Why today? Why not 7 years ago, or 1 year ago? It really just feels like the answer lies in the realization for establishment Democrats that Wokeism appears to be hurting the party's chance at maintaining power. It's not that Wokeism unscientifically paints a wildly exaggerated and misleading wold-view. It's not that it presents insanely regressive, ill-liberal, and anti-individualistic solutions. It's not that it ignores and stomps on the plights of those who are not in protected classes. It's not that it exploits the innate compassion in people to unconditionally comfort those who voice grievances. It's not that it's a departure from enlightenment values and acts more like a religion or a cult in its methods of purging criticism. But it's simply because it appears to be hurting the bottom-line, which is party votes. For me, it's bittersweet that John is just now being allowed on a platform like this, given how these platforms have been so incredibly dishonest and extreme in how they have been painting John and other intelligent people like him.
John Mcwhorter and Dr. James Lindsey are both on the left and even they see the absurdity and the real threat in the teachings of critical social justice to minors
And if only voices like Liz Cheney’s were being heard by those on the right. I’ll take the left’s wokeism over the right’s treasonous Trumpism any day.
So proud of John for bringing his wisdom to the mouth breathers that need it most...he could be having a lot more fun with his mind and time but he takes the time to teach even the MOST blind & ignorant. Total saint!!
Can we get a longer segment with John McWorter and Eddie Glaude? Both of them deserve to be heard and both need the other one to keep their ideas in check.
I would rather listen to Eddie Glaude than John McWhorter.
@@tyy5557 You prefer Eddie Glaude to McWhorter because you believe what the corporate state tells you to believe.
@@CribNotes ummm no. It’s because one knows what he’s talking about. The author is just another grifter. He knows he can make money.
@@carolinemaybe John McWhorter is too deep for most brainwashed lightweights. Do some research and see for yourself....
@@carolinemaybe mcwhorter spoke facts. What did he say was wrong?
Great to see John McWhorter on MSNBC
I enjoyed hearing this. I have strayed from most “mainstream” media sources as of late because I do not feel I get a balanced sense of reporting. I think having different voices on your show and having open respectful discussions is so important. If I feel I am being presented with different points of view & people are allowed to speak even if it’s in opposition or counter to any particular side, I then feel like I can decide myself what to think and am much more open to watching your show. Good segment 👍
This. This is what we all should do. Different points of view - yes and thank you!
It's finally out. Gotta go get myself a copy. Keep fighting the good fight Dr McWhorter.
I love that Prof. McWhorter was so unintimidated that he fielded questions while sitting on his couch after breakfast. Somehow the relaxation gives the clarity even more power.
I thought the exact SAME thing! Yes!
Now that made a whole lot of sense! Sorely needed these days.
thank you John McWhorter. I have read his books and have found them to be enlightening. MSNBC host should actually read his books, along with Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Jason Riley, Steele and others. They will not because they are the ones pushing the nonsense that McWhorter is talking about.
Thank God for the truth-telling of John McWhorter!
Hope McWorther continues emerging as THE authority on this subject.
Great discussion and I’m glad MSNBC is hosting this so that a wider audience has access. It’s actually a more palatable version of what Candace Owens has been saying.
This guy describes the thoughts I had about the matter when there was big growth in racism awareness some years ago. I was told my lack of awareness was the problem, after an emotional conversation once with a black girl at a social event.
I had enjoyed meeting and talking with this girl at a party, and my thought was nothing more than this is a black girl, and we're talking and joking about family experiences.
Somehow later got into a conversation about how she has to deal with subtle racism everyday, and I don't have an awareness of my white privilege. I said, no I don't think about it, or really about how a black person feels, which led to her being very upset.
I can certainly sympathize and wish it wasn't so, but at the same time felt personally uncomfortable seeing black people as victims. It just felt wrong. It actually made me feel the distance and differences between us more, not less.
As this guy stated, it feels patronizing, and actually easier to end up feeling superior. Having being identified as primarily a victim, not an individual would be very bothersome to me, and still be racist.
There is also a psychological phenomenon, when you focus primarily on the negatives and problems, everything becomes that, and you actually can end up bringing what you want to avoid, into existance or amplify. This, rather than diluting and overwhelming with positives.
>> I said, no I don't think about it, or really about how a black person feels.
Yeah, no kidding.
The privilege is the fact that you don't have to think about those things. The privilege is that you can tune them out and just live. Some brown people can too but I will go out on a limb and say that most can not.
I don't view that as victimhood that is what must be done to survive especially if you work or live in a predominantly white environment. It is honestly frustrating to go through all that we go through because of something so passive as your skin color and to hear people say that they don't even care or think about it or insinuate that it's not real because they don't see it because they don't have to deal with it. We are not given the "privilege" of not having to think about what white people think of us.
As a black woman who lives in a is a 99% white community I have to think about it all the time. When I walk into a store I gotta make sure I take my hood off and appear jovial or polite(so everyone is comfortable), I have to take caution to not be offensive or appear too aggressive (even when it's warranted), when I'm talking I have to use certain type of language as to not offend people i.e. be "ghetto" or too urban, I have to change the way I wear my hair( because the establishment doesn't like my natural hair for some reason), and I can not discuss anything political (even though everyone around me is). I could choose not to do these things but I would not be successful and I would be ostracized. And I know that because these are the things I had to change about myself when I was in public in order to be successful in my area.
I imagine the lady you were speaking to wasn't upset with you personally she was probably overwhelmed with the feeling that you could go through life without having to concern yourself with stuff like that. It can honestly make a person very jaded and prejudice. And not because they necessarily dislike white people. The system has just taught us to be leary as you don't know which white person you are. Are you a person who's just living their life minding their business or are you a person that participates in and/or agrees with the system that continually attempts to make us (and honestly all other brown minorities) 2nd class citizens while pretending your not.
Thank you John. We need people just like you to bring us all back to common sense
Thank you MSNBC. This was a balanced piece of information and you actually allowed a guest to challenge woke movement. I will buy the professor's book.
Mcwhorter is good. I am happy to see him taking a stand.
Holy Krap MSNBC had McWhorter on ??
@@DB-wq4nl Big fan of McWhorter, hope he doesn't get canceled into oblivion after this.
@@oceania2385 lol
MSNBC has had McWhorter on before- but usually to speak about linguistics.
@@greencraig8570 Well, he's a professor of linguistics so that makes sense... I watch him and Loury on blogginheads TV. They're both brilliant guys. Just stunned he's on MSN,
@Ser Aeggo Butterworth Joy Reid had him on once and pitched him a softball question expecting him to follow the party line. John didn't and it was hilarious to see Reid try and awkwardly reinterpret what McWhorter had actually said to fit her narrative.
The amazing John McWhorter, Thank You sir for your CLARITY! Wow!
Such a blessing that people are standing up ❤️
SOOOOO GOOD! ABSOLUTELY REFRESHING! THANK GOD SOMEBODY IS SPEAKING TO THIS!
Boom! John McWhorter becomes more of a hero every day!
Having this discussion just gave MSNBC way more credibility. Wow! Yes! More rational honest discussion that uplifts people! I’m so excited to see this type of content being shared!
There is hope for humanity with men like McWhorter .
I don't have time to waste trying to figure out ways to hate people who aren't the same race, or cultural background as me. Racism is Americas open wound. Racism is in direct conflict of our constitution and who we are all supposed to be as Americans. The religion overtones concerning racism seem to really be pronounced in white christian conservatives. That is a "known".
The lion's share of it comes from the left. That's a shame.
Racism was enshrined into the Constitution through the structure of Senatorial representation and the support for the Revolution in Virginia was heavily indebted to tobacco plantation owners seeing a chance to use it as a means to defaulting on their enormous financial debts with British merchants
You are not very well informed, that is a misconception you have because you have been conditioned through the propaganda that you have absorbed.
@@tommartinez62 or I’m a colonial historian who writes books on the emergence of racism and slavery in response to late 17th century social upheaval like Bacon’s rebellion
Our struggles with racism, white supremacy, slavery, and the notion of freedom is enshrined in the debates around the formation of our Constitution and our country. As critical as these things are, the original sin in our foundation is actually sexism.
He nailed it in that book. Legend
The wide shot of the msnbc pundits when J Mac peaks them. Chef's kiss.
Maybe there is hope for MSNBC listeners. Thank you John McWhorter for speaking truthfully.
Helping black people! Black people are NOT asking for, or requiring, help! What they're asking for is a level playing field void of bias and racism
CRT argues that’s not possible without tearing down everything and starting over. That’s the point. Classical liberalism tries to reform from within, which is considered selling out to conservatism in the woke faith.
@@wasteofspace20 - Incorrect. Your definition of CRT is baseless, spawned from fear and BS. Wanting to "tear down everything and start over" is laughable and would only be counter productive. The whole purpose of CRT is to provide Americans with a way of understanding the legacy of racism and how that said racism is deeply woven into the fabric and structure of our society even if those truths will sometimes hurt and make people feel uncomfortable. America was built on racism and the only way for the country to heal, is to confront its racist past and present. Surely you're brave and mature enough to face that and be educated? All things worth achieving require us to come out of our comfort zone (white privilege)
@@Girlshine right, that’s why i teach it as a professor. Got any more brilliant insights?
@@Girlshine You obviously haven’t read a journal about critical whiteness, and some of the broader and more sweeping branches English lit, sociology and education that have taken critical race well beyond its roots in law and criminal justice.
@@wasteofspace20 - Well, if you teach CTR as a professor (sorry, not buying it 😂), then you only serve to illustrate why the American education system is failing its people miserably which in turn produces morons who vote for Trump. I rest my case.
So the whole "discussion" was "yeah, well what about republicans?" SMH
It’s msnbc so what do you expect?
It IS a relevant point, even agreeing completely with John McWhorter (and I do), one must factor in the context of comparison in a system with two options.
@@captainpandabear1422 sure; however that shouldn't be your only response. And that was literally all the MSNBC hosts responded with.
The only reason y'all listen to what he has to say is because he's Black. He's the perfect representation of this "theory" against another "theory", because any criticism levied will be countered with 'b-b-b-b-but he's Black'@@captainpandabear1422
You've made 104 comments to this channel that you claim to have issue with @@billsimms2511
I appreciate that John and Eddie were having this discussion. Good convo
John Mcwhoter! So eloquent! SO much smarter than most in this ongoing dialogue about race!
That fool has no idea what he is talking about!
@@karenwinston4084 White people adore blacks who downplay race. It's a constant you can count on.
Dr. McWhorter is my hero. Logical, rational and reasonable. Thank you Dr. McWhorter for continuing to be a calm voice in a less than calm time.
Why am I suddenly reminded of Majid Nawass' observations around the "soft prejudice" of "lowered expectations" regarding Muslims....?
To be clear, McWhorter’s father was a college administrator, and his mother taught social work at Temple University.[6][7] He attended Friends Select School in Philadelphia
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In 2001 he wrote that black attitudes, rather than white racism, were what held black people back. According to McWhorter, "victimology, separatism, and anti-intellectualism underlie the general black community’s response to all race-related issues," and "it’s time for well-intentioned whites to stop pardoning as 'understandable' the worst of human nature whenever black people exhibit it."
And? What are you getting at with the education part? Are you trying to say that only uneducated black people face problems and educated black people are basically the same as white people? Talk about ignorant.
Yikes. Another Black apologist for racism
So he's not a NED (Non educated dummy)? Is that a bad thing? Maybe it takes a well educated person to get a bird's eye view from an elevated perch.
@@SandraWade666 ....this book was written about you. Maybe you should read it.
Newsflash, it's about the arguments and not about the overrated lived experience. Besides this his economical class wouldn't be visible for all these enormous racists by looking at him.
Joe Rogan needs to invite John McWhorter on to his show.
True. Surprised it hasn't happened yet. He's exactly the kind of guest Joe Rogan would love.
No he doesn't. Joe needs to eat more horse dewormer, and DMT.
Yes he does
@@mattalford3932 they reveal their truest selves whenever they leak who their role models are. All while remaining oblivious to how it shatters their credibility
@@mattalford3932 he didn't take horse dewormer. How about actually saying something of value?
7:18 "There is nothing that we've seen in a very long time that discourages longform attention to graceful argument than looking at pictures and slogans on-line all day"
This is a quote for our times.
Now explain wtf that means.
@@xman9190 Thank you for proving the point.
@@paulleverton9569
In other words you don't know.
@@xman9190 It means exactly what the words say. If you're not bright enough to understand a basic sentence, you're exactly the time of dumbed down person the comment is about. I don't teach remedial English and I don't care what someone too stupid to understand basic English thinks of me. Stick to slogans and nicknames, no need trying to comprehend anything that needs actual study. Specially as you can't understand a sentence written in your own language.
@@paulleverton9569
If you had any idea wtf you're talking about you would have just explained and avoided the theatrics. It's clear that YOU'RE precisely the one who's incapable of an intelligent dialogue. YOUR response is EXACTLY what one would expect in an online conversation. Just admit you don't know and get on with your life.
I don’t know where he lives but black people have been held to higher standards, harsher penalties.
Exactly
I think he's still butt hurt over affirmative action and he's capitalising on rising, blatant racism.
That was done 50 years ago and it wasn't for the reasons he said.
No LOL... Not in court... Not when applying for a job... Not when taking college entrance exams... Affirmative action... Lower standards across the board... For equity and inclusion
True that. We don't get second chances. We have to be perfect. And we can our jobs or lives at the drop of a hat.
This professor is simply brilliant. And he riles and strikes a nerve with hyper-liberals because he speaks the truth served cold. Lowering the bar for black people as a token for their suffering is a form of pity, which is a power play that harms the black community in the long-term.
My parents lived through the nazi occupation of my country. I am glad they were "woke" enough at that time to be part of the resistance. "Woke" just means being aware of social injustice and calling it out. It is an evolving concept. What it comes down to, in the end, is trying to respect every human being for what they are. If somebody born with a Y-chromosome nevertheless feels more like a "woman", who am I to deny the reality of that feeling? I haven't had to walk in their shoes. And it does not affect me in any way.
If you don't agree with that, that is your right. But it is also the right of another person to point out that you may be too close minded about it. That is not "discriminating" against you in any way. Whereas, if you want to deny that person the right to feel the way they do, you are discriminating against that person. Live and let live, I'd say. It is not that hard.
Is it close minded to try and censor everything you don’t agree with? Anybody comparing our country with nazi Germany, be it the right or the left, is just seething with entitlement.
Would you deny people the right to not wear a mask or get the jab? This is a gray subject I certainly say
Just the fact that you're using nazi occupation as the basis of your comparison shows that this book is meant for you. Please read it.
@@sitcomcommando9798 amen. Too many liberals have no idea that the woke movement is not a friend to classical liberalism.
You are confusing the term "woke" like White Liberals confuse the word "racism."
Wholeheartedly agee w/ many of these comments ...Kudos to MSNBC for airing and rationally engaging w/ a real steel man non leftist perspective. Very rare. We should all support and reward this kind of echo chamber busting civil debate/dialogue.
This book is so helpful to our culture. Happy to see that it is getting discussed all over the media.
Wait, MSNBC bringing up an actual subject that affects Americans? wow
If you enjoyed this segment I also recommend you search Glen Loury and Thomas Sowell. MSM needed to be airing their input in 2020 along side the likes of DeAngelo and Kendi.
No, i disagree with you. MSM needs to be airing the input of Glen Loury and Thomas Sowell and ELIMINATING the race-hustling garbage peddled by DeAngelo and Kendi.
@@jtstevenson81 with people listening to Loury, Sowell, McWhorter, and others, people will ultimately stop listening to people like X Kendi and they'll be eliminated that way. But yeah, they need to go.
I’ve listen to all of these dudes and I find them offensive and there takes are not developed.
@@teddylovesit and I do. So…. And of course you find them spot on. Of course
@@teddylovesit Coleman Hughes 💫 Another great mind, a younger one. He’s going to be going far. The thing I like about all these men you listed is that they are intellectually honest and hold themselves to high standards. They are truth seekers and tellers instead of preachers or ideology pushers. That’s why I have mad respect for all of them. ☮️
This guy is brilliant. Kudos to MSNBC for having him on.
When I was working on my BA, I took a class in literature. One part of that class focused on how black people are portrayed in films (I had a black professor). We talked about the film The Green Mile and how the main character, John Coffey, was portrayed. I learned a great deal in this class, and I was able to shift my perspective and finally see something important that had been staring me in the face all along. I had a wonderful professor who showed us another way of seeing how film influences us socially.
John Coffey in this movie represented the way a lot of white people see black people as children or, in this case, as "magical beings." Either way, the idea is similar to the way we're currently trying to deal with how women are treated in the social world: as needing to be taken care of. This places the person in a position of "other" ... and not as a regular member of the social world overall. And who is designated as "protector" or care taker of people of color (and women too here) but white men.
This idea of separation instead of inclusion is the issue. For example, suppose we start treating people with blonde hair differently because they might get sunburned or because they lose their hair more often, etc. We see the difference but not the similarity.
I found this one class very interesting and I learned a great deal. But this wasn't a "Critical Race Theory" class ... it was just a regular literature class that included an understanding of how race is portrayed in film and literature; how powerful the stories we tell ourselves culturally are, how these stories influence the way we treat each other. And, to me, this is SO important!
Movies are not real life
I don’t doubt this could be true for some people but be careful to not project this onto other people: not everyone feels this way. How do I see a black person standing in front of me talking? I see them exactly as myself: another human being trying to find meaning and lead a good life.
@@KenReidLeesburgVA Movies are depiction of real life
@Drip Side Horror movies are not a depiction of real life. Movies are written, financed, produced, directed and acted by people from a variety of perspectives and with inherent biases. Enjoy them, but don’t think that they they always depict real life.
@@paulwright1635 All movies are not Horror movies so sure there is exception but for the most of the time movies are tryna imitate the real life, real life scenarios.
This may the first time I ever liked an MSNBC video.
A good interviewer knows when to step back and facilitate discussion. This was an opportunity missed. We would have been better served if the host redirected McWhorter’s response to criticism back to Glaude for comment because McWhorter sure seemed to crush the commentary.
I would argue.. I wish other minority communities had John McWhorters on their side... we need to bring back rationalism
John you’re now my favorite John and my dad is named John. 😂 Just kidding dad, but yes….. Been saying this my whole life and its always great to see this view pushed in the mainstream. KEEP GOING
Wow. MSNBC actually had some logic on their show for once.
Excellent. But not just the social media. Also the major news channels, Fox, NBC and the lot. They carry big responsibility as their ´credibility' is way beyond Facebook posts.
While I don't completely agree, I can see the argument. I do think that there are several examples of "cancel culture" that are completely egregious and yet, some are warranted. I happen to think that Rachel Nichols, the ESPN host/journalist that lost her job and show as a result of a private conversation that was illegally recorded AND didn't say anything all that wrong, was done completely dirty. Rosanne Barr, however, what she said was completely unacceptable. Just like with all things, there are levels to this.
The error his book makes, however, is that he's only focusing on one aspect. That is the aspect that specifically involves people of color. Mainly black people. The man even said that he was only worried about "what hurts us". He's doing exactly what he claims he doesn't like. He's focusing on "anti racism" as being a vehicle of condescension and is completely ignoring that it isn't something that the left does only for black people. As he makes it sound. They do it for women, the lgbtq, immigrants, and so on. I do think our overtly PC society does more harm than good. A comedian should be able tell jokes, a tv show should be able to represent who or whatever it wants to represent, and so on. People using outrage, offenses, and victim hood these days for attention are ruining our society. We have far too many people trying to be mad and offended by something. On both sides. It's a mistake to think it happens only on one side or to one group.
The thing is with with these short interviews nuance is lost. If you actually listen to what John WcWhorter has to say about this topic for years, he includes the broader problems an issues. Focusing in on how the fight against racism has become Kabuki doesn't negate other aspects, nor does it follow that he is is being condescending as the thing, wokeism, he is condemning. It also isn't a left right issue, in the way implied by this interview, when the fact is that people on the left are canceled by the woke left. It doesn't matter what your politics are for the woke. If you commit a "sin," they will go after you. There are also false equivalences that are asserted as if they ought to be unquestioned. The issue with Nikole Hannah-Jones for example is portrayed as conservatives were against her; therefore, she wasn't' offered tenure. If one looks more closely, it had to do with the process that every professor goes through before offered that status. Also, her ideas were attacked from academics on the left, African American ones to boot. Yet these examples are dragged as counter points to actually egregious firing of people. It is preciously whataboutism at its worse.
@@Rabbithole8 You have a point, but your argument is flawed and biased. Rest assured that the "left" isn't the only group or "side" that employs cancel culture or that traffics in manufactured outrage. The right does it just as much. The difference between the groups that I've observed over the past few years is that the right will only go against their perceived enemies while the left will attack any and everyone it perceives as "intolerant". My point was to say that the left treats all marginalized groups the same and they don't offer "wokeism" more to one group or the other. The entire thing is toxic and cancerous but the left isn't discriminatory in who it judges. The right is. I've seen GOP politicians say and some of the most outlandish and ridiculous and offensive things and yet they have nothing to say about it. Let a liberal politician DO THE EXACT SAME THING and the GOP goes absolutely nuts. Examples:
The GOP called for Cuomo's resignation after the allegations became public and so did the left. The allegations against Gaetz have been public for some time and yet the GOP has said nothing. Just last week I watched the GOP accuse Merrick Garland of using the DOJ politically for saying that he would prosecute parents that cause or threaten violence at school board meetings yet they said nothing of the continually political nature in which Barr used the DOJ under Trump. The left would call of this out no matter the politics. The right? They're only after holding onto power. In as much as wokeism and cancel culture is toxic, at least the left is consistent.
@@SSJ2Phenom Did the left call out AG Garland?
@@Lerian_V Call out AG Garland for what? If it's about the school board memo then no, they didn't call out AG Garland at all. That's because they happen to agree with him on that issue. During the hearing that the right put on about the memo (which was nothing but political theatre) the GOP put on a great show about how Garland was using the DOJ politically and how his memo was unconstitutional because it dared to hold VIOLENT and INTOLERANT EXTREMIST parents, on both sides mind you, to account. They made claims that the memo compared parents to terrorists and that it was only going after the parents that were upset about masks and CRT and what not. One GOP Senator asked, "How dare you hold parents in the same regard as terrorists?!?". AG Garland responded with, "I don't. There's absolutely nothing in that memo that compares parents to terrorists or even implies that auch a comparison exists." The GOP Senator said, "Well, that may be your opinion!" Garland answered, "No ma'am, that is not an opinion. It's a fact! There is literally nothing in this memo that makes or implies such a comparison. Spirited debate is 100% ok. When parents are starting violence and or threatening people, however, we will do what is appropriate by law. No matter what the issue is." As I said, the GOP claimed that Garland holding violent and threatening parents to account was politically motivated and that was their issue with it. So if political motivation was an issue for them then why didn't they hold Trump's DOJ to the same standard? A DOJ that repeatedly tried to prosecute Trump's enemies, that fired officials because they dared disagree with Trump, that went after journalists because they reported facts regarding Trump's administration? If the left concluded that AG Garland prosecuting violent people was political they'd say something. They don't think that, however, because prosecuting violent people is more than acceptable under the law. 🤷🏽♂️
Identity politics is all about leaving out context.
Can’t remember the last time I left a thumbs up on an MSNBC video
PLEASE keep talking! I fully agree!
"Pictures and slogans all day..."-----Love it, he nailed it! 😆
John McWhorter is the only reason this particular MSNBC video wasn't ratioed into oblivion. That man is a class act.
Which would speak to how white racists use Black bootlickers to get away with their crap.
@@NoPawn You sure have things figured out, don't you?
@@bobdole7127 You don’t?
@@NoPawn 42.
@@bobdole7127 damnit man…you got me there.
Wow MSNBC has finally caught on
Willie Geist is good, he's an entertainment reporter ... I don't think Maddow would dare have McWhorter on, because she runs a propaganda operation.
@@mckernan603 Yes she was actually forced to admit her show is opinion in court
@@davidphillips8674 Aren't they all opinion shows??
@@mckernan603 Maddow is smarter than McWhorter.
Morning Joe isnt MSNBC really. McWhorter will never be allowed to talk about his book with Joy Reid, etc.
Joe Scarborough: this isn’t whataboutism
*proceeds to do whataboutism
Whataboutry requires intent. The intent to deflect.
@S. Emme
Actually he didn't.
He asked "why".
"Whatabout" usually is in the form of a false equivalent, "why" implies requesting further information or clarity.
Crt is not taught in classrooms, this is bs.
Really? I teach it twice a week in my classroom and so do all my colleagues across education colleges.
Critical race applied principles ( CRAP ) is being taught to as young as 7-8 year olds and it's disgusting.
@@wasteofspace20 you probably haven't seen a classroom in your life, Troll.
CRT is a university subject taught in advanced law studies and not even offered at all the colleges, just a handfull. Preteens cannot possibly understand even the basics of it, jsut like right wing fear trolls do not understand the least bit about it other than their carefully fed BS diet of "CRT bad, white people goood"
@@felwinter7883 Racism is taught even younger than that- Truly Disgusting!
@Wublunts4everyone go to a school in a liberal district. Like Loudon county for example. They tell the white students that they are oppressors and should feel guilty that their ancestors were slave owners. Do you think you will really see that coming from MSNBS? lay off the propaganda.
This is the truth that needs to be heard!!!
I'm ordering this book today.
He is spot on. Content of character not the color of anyone skin. Can we get back there please.
John McWhorter is a card carrying democrat who voted for Obama , can't stand Trump and liked Hillary Clinton ...so for the haters here this is not a republican , this is just a good democrat standing up for what we all used to stand up for ...Facts and Actual Justice for all ..
@dan mac If you had a brain in your head you'd check out John McWhorter's wonderful videos here on RUclips where he discusses his points and reason for standing up against this craziness before posting another stupid comment
@dan mac Ballots are secret. If someone wishes to publicly state their support for a candidate, that is completely legal. Same as how saying you are vaccinated (or asking them) doesn't violate HIPAA.
The idea of a good democrat is historical since after Nov 2016, the left is a solid cult of hate, ie no recognition it was a good election. Sure it was a surprise I thought Trump had 1 chance in 50, Russia this and Russia that is a web of lies. Biden' energy policy is the best gift Russia could ever get. Yes for fun they may have leaked harmless DNC material, and boy the 4 year impeachment by you losers whether 80 plus million or not liked, it tickled Putin to no end I suspect
Mobile. I recognize a real ally when I see one. You are right on the mark and thanks for sharing his info.
MSNBC needs this man
Indeed. More of him and less of Al Sharpton (who has a show on MSNBC since 2011).
And racism is a religious foundation of the right
And the left. If you're unable to recognise how racist the left is then you're lost.
@@chudchadanstud way more of it exists on the right
@@eazeyt1759 lol not really.
Jeanne skipped history class.
No
I see John I click. I always learn something.
I cant believe msnbc had john mcworter on one of there programs. It's like john is the anathema to there entire programming line up. LOL.
I can believe that you're unclear of when to use there/their. It's almost like grammar and education is the anathema to conservative mentalities
Prof. McWhorter has become increasingly visible, and relevant. The degree to which he is being attacked in the comment section seems directly related to the impact of his writing (and speaking) on the high moral dudgeon of the Neo-progressive movement who don't even read or listen to what he has to say. Sadly, that is fairly typical.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Saying he’s being attacked in comment section is an exaggeration. Maybe grow some thick skin, practice what McWhorter’s preached and avoid the political correctness.
I don't see how being repulsed by racism can be considered a religion. To me, there's the right way and a wrong way. And it's too easy to do the right thing. My buddy told me that he doesn't need or want special treatment. He only wants to be treated as an equal. And that's how I conduct myself, with every human being I see.
It’s not. It’s when you’re obsessed with it and that’s all you talk about. Very annoying and very divisive
I Agree Their Is A Right Way & A Wrong Way...
LAWS Apply The Same For Everyone. This Is Not Complicated....The People With Money Feel They Should Rule...Are Buying Laws. Or Changing To Fit Their Crimes.
@@samudramanthan8645 Beautiful. I'm stealing that. Nice copy/pasta ;)
You don't understand what the Professor is saying.
@Wublunts4everyone *thinks obsessing over race is corrosive to society*
YoU’rE a WhiTE NatIOnaLiST
Wow. I am shocked this is MSNBC. Excellent discussion. Well done.
McWhorter is an intelligent, elegant speaker whose bent is decidedly conservative. In response, I would say that racism is now a "religion" for many, if not most, conservatives.
no "now" there. At the very latest since the evangelical front and the arch conservative south "married" under Atwater and Reagan both are inseparably intertwined.
He is a classic liberal and politics has replaced religion of the left and the right.
You could say that, would be completely mistaken... not smart to make that assumption, let's go Brandon
Hardly. Conservatives, being by nature conservative, are largely still second-wave anti-racists, whereas leftists who can no longer be called liberal are rapidly swelling the ranks of third-wave "anti"-racists, a.k.a. woke racists. McWhorter's only conservative in the sense that he's still liberal in a world where illiberalism is coming to be seen as progress.
People like to call everything they disagree with a religion. Including science LOL
Sounds like you missed the message by getting hung up on the R word.
Sounds like you have no experience with actual advocates of critical race theory in an academic setting.
It’s the new fad.
Yes, the left is taking wokeism and science as religion. They remind of of REpublicans who don't believe climate science but will tell you a man is now a woman, and a woman is now a man if they identify as "trans." You can't pick and chose when to be for science when it suits your narrative.
Weirdly enough that is one of the leading "insults" very religious people can come up with. Almost as if they subconsciously are aware how much of a scam it is, but they see no other way to "i'm rubber you're glue" the other side than to pull it down into their morass.
I'm confused. So long as systemic racism exists, how does anyone expect the mindset of "ignore it and it will go away," to work? Am I missing something, or is he actually arguing we turn a blind eye to processes and procedures that ensures racist outcomes, even if there's no one personally racist in the room?
He never said to ignore anything, but the white knight syndrome is getting out of hand.
@@sitcomcommando9798 The white saviour complex is problematic, for a lot of reasons, but it sounds like he's arguing against affirmative action, or am I understanding this wrong? He's talking about CTR in classrooms, but isn't it only taught in law school? I know history is being wrongly conflated with CRT, but his argument is validating that narrative, and I'm confused as to why? I feel he's speaking opinion, and he's allowed that, but it conflicts with all that my black friends and family have said. His perspective is valid, I don't want to detract from that, but it confuses me. I'm hoping the book expresses it better - in fairness to him, a segment less than 10 minutes long would not do the topic justice, no matter who was talking, and there is also the possibility that the news castor might well have unwittingly primed for a combative response.
@@rachelgarcia1790 what I got from the short segment is if you really want to help Black people, don't just click "like" on FB but try to actually effect change and uplift them. What he is ignoring is the fact that so many white people are below the poverty line and don't have any political power either. The poor whites are angry because they've been told they are on top of the world and they know that's not reality for them. Then they see Tucker Carlson lying, telling them to blame people of color if they haven't been successful.
Might have to read the book to fully understand the argument, rather than expecting a few mins on YT to do the trick 🤔
💯, most developed countries who struggled socially with denouncing racism, had to first acknowledge and give remedial reparations to resolve many of the conflicts, both things America is unwilling to do. I think the plan in America is to keep ignoring it until enough time has passed that people forget 😵😬😝.
All this manipulating of the fluff around racism is just extention of the denialism people try to make to further prolong the resolution. If America needs help figuring out how to deal with Racism, you'd have enough allies around the world that have long since moved on from this stain on human kind. That's not to say racism doesn't exist, it just doesn't exist to the same magnitude that it does in America (systemically, culturally).
10 years ago wasn't a paradise but we were definitely headed in a better direction in relation to the race conversations. He flew right past the mark.
Ten years ago we had a Black President. Make no mistake, all of this animosity against "the left" began once Obama was elected Nov. 2008, they've never recovered from it, nor do they wish a repeat
Thank you John McWhorter for writing this book and calling out both political parties. I’ve been disgusted with both parties since Trump overtook the Republican party. The responses to real and supposed racism in recent years has gone the way of the French Revolution. It started off nobly and then became radical.
Wow! John McWhorter being heard on MSNBC! There is hope for the world.
McWhorter knows the money is on the Right
Yup
He’s a classical liberal, is it possible you aren’t aware of the real struggle in academia between the self proclaimed progressives and classical liberals?
So, it's now clear that you dislike progressives. Who hurt your feelings?
You might as well call him a RHINO (as there's no such thing as a moderate republican and there hasn't been for a while now). A classical liberal is not a liberal as most Americans think of them and so instead of being Mr. Academia, try making a point in the venacular that most will understand. If you're not actually talking about someone who believes in the free market and limited government, then make that clear. You've certainly made it clear you dislike progressives.
@@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS Progressive. LOL. Are you serious?
Good segment! John mcwhorter speaks so eloquently!
The truth is, education regarding racism needs to start at home. I'm not waiting for a teacher to educate my son on a subject as important as racism. That should be a no brainer.
Democrats want teachers to now do the jobs of parents. Teachers should just stick to the basics and not get involved in teaching racism/revisionist history.
@@rh81454 go to some of these schools and you will see why, a lot of parents aren’t doing their job
@@wasteofspace20 possibly because the unions are there for them to do less work but hey “diversity”
@@Colinmm21 It turned out great in my family. My friends and their siblings same thing. So far my son and his cousins, also on track. We were or are being educated about racism at home. That's an issue for you?
What's your suggestion?
@@rh81454 Racism is hardly "revisionist history". Not only did it happen, it is still happening.
Mcwhorter is so intelligent, clear and his speech tone ❤
Denying that racism is ingrained in our society is just plain irrational.
Did he deny racism is ingrained? He just disagrees with the methodology and anti rationalism of CRT
How long until he goes on Candace Owens, Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin shows?
Word will go around with the major networks(on the left) at the top and they will ban John from their networks.
Finally, a voice of real intelligence!!! Thank you, Professor McWhorter. I feel so relieved to hear a sound of real logic for the first time in a long time, instead of nosy sounds of idiotic ideologies. Thank God that we have people like Prof. McWhorter in America. We still have hope.
I guess my question, as a 66 year old white male professional engineer who tries to pay attention to this stuff is:
Haven’t we already been having this debate on and off for the past half century and haven’t most of the outcomes been generally positive?
Isn’t the issue REALLY about perceived availability of access to certain positions and enrollment spots in elite institutions of higher learning?
In the medium sized Northeastern city that I live in, municipal offices, hospitals, first responder teams…and middle class neighborhoods are far more diverse than they were 45 years ago when I finished college.
That said, a confluence of issues have conspired to make the criminal justice system very tough on those members of the (mostly) African American community who make some poor choices when young. I say “poor choices” because I knew lots of guys who did stupid things when young but “the law” never came down like the lethal hammer that many were protesting last year.
I don’t see people being treated “like children”…at least in my town.
This countries treatment of certain individuals is terrible, progress has been made but the double standards are still there.And THEY are using people who have the SAME skintone AGAINST theyre own people to FIT theyre agenda or they will DESTROY you if you DONT play ball and ESPECIALLY if you stand for what's right
I think it is morphing into something else. I think the professor is speaking more to the individuals that are pushing things like separate graduation ceremonies for black students, getting rid of the SAT, because black folks don’t do as well on it, etc. There is a group of people in this country that treat black folks like children that have to be coddled rather than treating them like equals. And they are very shallow about their contributions. So rather than actually digging into why black folks don’t do as well on a certain test, and working to resolve that, they just get rid of the test. That doesn’t help anyone. It’s lowering the bar rather than making the person stronger.