Beyond Good & Evil 20th Anniversary Edition - PS5/Xbox/Switch Review - A Near Perfect Remaster?

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  • Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
  • Developer Ubisoft gives its 2003 cult classic some much-needed attention - this time giving its textures and shaders a satisfying overhaul. PS5 and Series X also enjoy a boost to 4K resolution, on the resolution mode, while each run at 1440p on their performance modes. However the Switch release is less assured in its delivery, with expected cutbacks in its visuals - but also dips below the 30fps mark during gameplay - as Tom covers in this DF tech review.
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    00:00:00 Introduction
    00:02:46 Original vs HD Edition vs 20th Anniversary Edition Comparison
    00:07:30 PS5/Series X/Series S Frame-Rate Tests
    00:10:51 Nintendo Switch vs PS5 Comparison
    00:13:08 Switch Frame-Rate Test
    00:15:01 Verdict
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Комментарии • 882

  • @ItzMeWill
    @ItzMeWill 9 дней назад +140

    I can't wait for the 20th anniversary of Ubisoft telling us that Beyond Good and Evil 2 is still coming out

    • @choo_choo_
      @choo_choo_ 9 дней назад +8

      Hell dude, we're not far off. It's only been 16 years. If it's been in limbo that long, another 4 years isn't out of the question.
      They can sell it as the 20th anniversary edition 🤣

  • @SteveJonesOwnsDSP
    @SteveJonesOwnsDSP 9 дней назад +183

    6:57 "character expressions are also changed... this character is now rather enjoying his time being captured (in the new 20th Edition)" 😆😆

    • @deathdoor
      @deathdoor 9 дней назад +21

      This is another big point, it's another case of characters looking their expressions in a remake. Jade has a lot of subtle facial expressions that are now lost, because something her eyebrows and eyes don't more like they should.

    • @AssailantLF
      @AssailantLF 9 дней назад +9

      @@deathdoor Very similar to the Final Fantasy 10 remaster. They updated the models and ruined a lot of the subtle facial animations...

    • @ohmyjosh3065
      @ohmyjosh3065 9 дней назад

      🤣🤣😂😂

    • @deathdoor
      @deathdoor 8 дней назад +1

      @@AssailantLF remind me, is this the same studio responsible for this update?

    • @AssailantLF
      @AssailantLF 15 часов назад

      @@deathdoor no, they're completely different. Square + Virtuos did FFX HD, while the Beyond Good and Evil anniversary was done by Ubisoft

  • @superfightman2053
    @superfightman2053 9 дней назад +150

    Most of the changes are upgrades but man, Jade's hair just being a solid black looked way cooler in my opinion.

    • @JeanBaptistePollien
      @JeanBaptistePollien 9 дней назад +9

      Totally agree. It’s my only gripe with this remaster. It looks like an old carpet.

    • @Glotttis
      @Glotttis 9 дней назад +3

      So you are whining about a single texture out of hundreds if not thousands? Typical gamer moment.

    • @jawknee4088
      @jawknee4088 9 дней назад +32

      @@Glotttiswhy so aggressive? nobody is whining, just stating their preferences. also this ‘single texture’ belongs to the *main character*, so your criticism kinda falls flat.

    • @joebob2699
      @joebob2699 9 дней назад +5

      @@Glotttis There are lots of examples, even in this video, that look worse in my opinion. Everything is way too bright, causing even a black suit to look grey. Textures look weird for the art style too. Higher resolution is not always better.

    • @Glotttis
      @Glotttis 9 дней назад

      @@jawknee4088 where and when was I aggressive? Do you even know the meaning of that word? Its exhausting seeing gamers whine about every tiny thing. Just as I pointed out the absurdity of this compaining, suddenly goal posts got moved and now its not just the hair texture that's "bad".

  • @jonathogm
    @jonathogm 9 дней назад +70

    This seems like it should be able to run at 120 fps

    • @RadioactiveBlueberry
      @RadioactiveBlueberry 8 дней назад +5

      If it's based on the same physics as the original, it technically would just like the original, with the same problems just like the original. Out of sync audio is known to be one of them, and with my experience with the original (the whole game runs at 1.25x speed I think), there's one part near end of the game that doesn't let me sneak through on 120 fps. I'd recommend 60 with frame-generation method instead.

    • @mbsfaridi
      @mbsfaridi 8 дней назад

      @@RadioactiveBlueberryOh, the PC release allows you to above 60fps? “Lossless scaling” or amd equivelent on consoles would be fantastic for these old remasters that are hamstrung by physics or other things tied to framerate.

    • @RadioactiveBlueberry
      @RadioactiveBlueberry 7 дней назад

      @@mbsfaridi Yes, with a help of few PCGamingWiki tweaks (original 2003 version and Anniversary Edition are in separate articles), PC version allows to go higher with the mentioned drawbacks.

    • @RedFriction
      @RedFriction 2 дня назад

      Just Cause 2 on Switch

    • @mbsfaridi
      @mbsfaridi 2 дня назад +1

      @@RedFriction What about it?

  • @tnykuuh
    @tnykuuh 9 дней назад +238

    might be in minority here but i prefer the more painted texture look of the original.

    • @ZimpanX
      @ZimpanX 9 дней назад +63

      I agree, these new "realistic textures" clashed really badly with the intended original art style. It comes off as an amateur-ish HD texture mod.

    • @krzysztofdeoniziak5618
      @krzysztofdeoniziak5618 9 дней назад +17

      @@ZimpanXit would look great if it was done decently, i.e. not "drawn" in substance painter, but sculpted in zbrush. Someone hired 3 juniors and 2 AI upscalers, and thought that was enough.

    • @RevolutionRespawn
      @RevolutionRespawn 9 дней назад +17

      i would say you arent in the minority because the new textures look overly detailed and detract from the original art style imo

    • @Dwainegnd
      @Dwainegnd 9 дней назад +8

      I agree. Her face and eyes and hair just not as good as before

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 9 дней назад +11

      ​Exactly. Similar issue to the GTA definitive trilogy but nowhere near as bad. Imagine if they had gone with a hyper stylized paint brush comic book look like TWD games

  • @RomildoAugusto95
    @RomildoAugusto95 9 дней назад +155

    We need a PoP Anniversary Edition like this.

    • @CollapseWatch
      @CollapseWatch 9 дней назад +23

      They should do the original trilogy and package them all together

    • @cadvan6
      @cadvan6 9 дней назад +8

      Dude, actually - I was shocked we got nothing for the 20th of SoT (granted they’re doing a remake)
      The HD remaster of the trilogy in 2010 was pretty disappointing whilst I thought the original HD remaster of BG&E was really solid.

    • @saratov99
      @saratov99 9 дней назад +3

      @@CollapseWatch Sands of Time was a reboot, not original.

    • @OptimumSlinky
      @OptimumSlinky 9 дней назад +3

      Would love that, but Sands of Time actually runs fantastically on the Steam Deck. It’s a great way to experience the game.

    • @Gameceptor
      @Gameceptor 9 дней назад +4

      @@saratov99 They're probably talking about an HD release included in PS3 PoP Trilogy, not a reboot (which was called "Forgotten Sands")

  • @billykotsos4642
    @billykotsos4642 9 дней назад +90

    This game was special back in the day

    • @Zenzuu
      @Zenzuu 9 дней назад +25

      It's still special even today. They don't make games like this anymore.

    • @Wanderlauch
      @Wanderlauch 9 дней назад +4

      ​@@Zenzuu Because nobody bought it.

    • @EnigmaNL
      @EnigmaNL 9 дней назад +10

      @@Wanderlauch Not because it was a bad game, but because of an oversaturated market, poor marketing and it released during Christmas.

    • @user-xj3in5gv4p
      @user-xj3in5gv4p 9 дней назад +6

      I played it for the first time maybe 2015ish on the 2011 remake and I LOVED it, game holds up extremely well. The whole cataloging new species with the camera and getting paid+upgrades from it was fun and kept you wanting to explore. It's a special game for sure.

    • @Wanderlauch
      @Wanderlauch 9 дней назад +2

      @@EnigmaNL It was the second highest rated game of the month and released in November, not Christmas time. Let's face it, BGE just wasn't appealing to the masses.

  • @RevolutionRespawn
    @RevolutionRespawn 9 дней назад +59

    a lot was lost with the "upgraded" textures, models and color grading compared to the original and even hd versions

    • @floodsye
      @floodsye 5 дней назад +4

      No, that's just the poison called "nostalgia" coursing through your brain. Factually, adding more detail, modern lighting, and mesh coloring literally ONLY ADDS things to the image. Yet, because you've been preconditioned by gaming news and Twitter to hate everything about gaming in 2024, your brain's nostalgia drives warp to max speed and tell you that a blob, disgusting horrible texture at 200p or less with no detail, bad coloring, and messy seams is actually much better. Grow up and let go of nostalgia, it's a psychologically dangerous idea.

    • @xabblll
      @xabblll 4 дня назад +2

      Agreed. Old versions was designed with particular resolution and style in mind. This upscale isn't consistent in terms of quality, so every rough edge looks out of place

    • @CaptainKenway
      @CaptainKenway 3 дня назад +2

      ​@@floodsyeClown. It's not "nostalgia" when you're looking at a direct side by side comparison of each version in the very video being commented on. Technical prowess also has nothing to do with artistic intent. Only a simpleton would confuse the two.

  • @jwconglomerate332
    @jwconglomerate332 9 дней назад +28

    They lightened Jade's skin tone?!

    • @meh78336
      @meh78336 9 дней назад +2

      6:10 and darkened less subtly others, so it evens out.

    • @jwconglomerate332
      @jwconglomerate332 8 дней назад +2

      @@meh78336 yeah I guess. Just seems like an odd choice.

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад

      and darkened Mr Han skintone so what? thats the lighting in general

  • @TakisEnjoyer
    @TakisEnjoyer 9 дней назад +112

    Maybe I'm the weird one, but I really prefer the HD version to the Anniversary one at a lot of shots, especially when showing Jade's face, there's just something wrong with the light in the remaster, making everything look overly bright. Same thing with water most of the time. Reminds me how fan ENBs make game look amazing in 2 scenes and then horribly wrong in 8 others.

    • @quackcharge
      @quackcharge 9 дней назад +22

      agreed, the lighting is overly bloomed and way colder than the original. additionally, simply adding texture detail doesn't automatically equal improved visuals. there is way too much high frequency noise for the geometric detail. it looks weird as hell

    • @spartanbeef9491
      @spartanbeef9491 9 дней назад +2

      I think the scenery looks better overall but Jade is pale and washed out for some reason. Pey'j is also over detailed IMO, but in general I like the new texture work, I just think it goes too far in a few instances. I feel like the best version is gonna be the PC definitive edition with mods to fix those issues, because I do think they've done a good job breathing a little bit more life and texture into the world as a whole, they just went a little overboard on the characters.

  • @walter_the_wobot2349
    @walter_the_wobot2349 9 дней назад +47

    I think the HD version looks artistically better.

    • @jimbles5071
      @jimbles5071 5 дней назад +3

      I agree. I'd rather play the HD version over the newer release.

  • @grim85rip62
    @grim85rip62 9 дней назад +182

    I really don't like how pale Jade looks in the 20th Anniversary Edition. It just looks off to me.

    • @trs8696
      @trs8696 9 дней назад +10

      yeah, it's very noticable. she looks really different

    • @Immudelki
      @Immudelki 9 дней назад +9

      Mostly due to realistic lighting, but yes it's a bit off, a little mod to readd a bit of yellow in the texture and it should be perfect 😊

    • @idakev
      @idakev 9 дней назад +6

      The character model is not actually pale though. Just a difference in the lighting

    • @strangevision99
      @strangevision99 9 дней назад +9

      The whole game is less vibrant. Look at the difference between the green used before and after for her clothes, and this extends to the whole game, probably varied depending on lighting.

    • @EarthboundX
      @EarthboundX 9 дней назад +1

      Yeah, looks like she could pass out at any moment.

  • @jakass505---flynN
    @jakass505---flynN 9 дней назад +158

    It’s genuinely crazy the performance mode is only 1440p

    • @killerklinge52
      @killerklinge52 9 дней назад +51

      Demons souls remake have 1440p also, but looks photorealistic, so yes, an ps2 game with updated textures cant run native 4k?

    • @daanyal6266
      @daanyal6266 9 дней назад +48

      RDR2 ran at native 4k 30fps on Xbox One X and now 1 generation later we can't hit native 4k at steady 60fps on a 20 year old game

    • @user-ik8vy1rg8f
      @user-ik8vy1rg8f 9 дней назад +6

      @@killerklinge52 Well, John's Xbox footage in this was showing ~45 fps. So this was a game that was pushing that generation to its limit. And while emulators like Duckspace run PS1 at crazy fast performance, do we have any PS2/Xbox equivalent emulators kicking butt? I don't think so.

    • @user-ik8vy1rg8f
      @user-ik8vy1rg8f 9 дней назад +1

      Oh, Dolphin. Duh. Dolphin kicks butt.

    • @CigarChompinSarge
      @CigarChompinSarge 9 дней назад +9

      I was just about to comment the same thing. It is absurd that such ancient looking low polygon game can't hit 4K 60.

  • @GeminiWoods
    @GeminiWoods 9 дней назад +87

    Some of the lighting and her skin tone looks fked up to me in the new one.

    • @alexanderulv3886
      @alexanderulv3886 9 дней назад +11

      Me too, honestly the original version looks the best IMO

    • @CyberClu
      @CyberClu 9 дней назад +1

      Exactly, on the PC version, the colors on some things, like Jade's clothes seem brighter. It just seems like the new version is darker and muted in areas. I still prefer the original.

    • @Shaki123
      @Shaki123 9 дней назад +2

      Keep on whining and crying.

    • @GeminiWoods
      @GeminiWoods 9 дней назад +13

      @@Shaki123 Thank you for your permission.

    • @tanvir.m85
      @tanvir.m85 9 дней назад +3

      as an overall package, I’d still prefer the new one though

  • @choo_choo_
    @choo_choo_ 9 дней назад +8

    The normal maps on the rhino dudes are pointing the wrong way. 5:53 OG graphics clearly have wrinkles that go IN to the skin, but the new graphics have weird ridges that point OUT instead. No doubt because the normal map is inverted. Hell, you can even see it's wrong on the model. The normals on the body texture go in, while they only go out on the head, even for areas that look extremely similar on the body.

    • @sade1212
      @sade1212 8 дней назад +2

      Yeah, I'd expect better of DF than to be so uncritical of such an obviously flawed HD texture mod - I mean, paid remaster lmao - like this.

  • @yubos98
    @yubos98 9 дней назад +16

    I may be missing something here but I simply can't believe that that level of texture quality is all a 3.5 GB VRAM buffer is capable of in a 20 year old non shader-heavy game. My only theory is that the engine doesn't support texture compression but as far as I can tell, DXT compression has been on the market for quite some time by 2003 and I doubt Ubi Montpellier would pass up on the opportunity to make Jade support it and save on space and texture streaming budgets...I understand why Switch would look inferior but this just makes me believe there was just no effort put into that version whatsoever.

    • @leafstormblaze9449
      @leafstormblaze9449 9 дней назад +1

      Go look at halo 2 anniversary or the metroid prime remaster how can ubisoft not do better than these they really need to higher proper developers.

    • @stangamer1151
      @stangamer1151 9 дней назад

      They are probably using upscaled 4K textures. They do not look 10 times better then the original ones, but they surely do consume 10 times more VRAM.

    • @user-rw1xz8mg6t
      @user-rw1xz8mg6t 9 дней назад

      @@stangamer1151 More like 64x

    • @Alexand3ry
      @Alexand3ry 8 дней назад

      @@leafstormblaze9449 Metroid Prime Remaster is one of the best-programmed, best-looking games on the platform. "How can they not do better than the very best" is a question that answers itself.

  • @crunchie101
    @crunchie101 9 дней назад +31

    The lighting and overal look looks better in the original. Jade's skin looks strange and the lighting is colder

  • @austinconway3918
    @austinconway3918 9 дней назад +54

    I wish we had more games this size today

    • @crestofhonor2349
      @crestofhonor2349 9 дней назад +2

      Well it is a 6th gen game with better textures. Wouldn’t be possible for most games to be this small in storage size

    • @megamanx1291
      @megamanx1291 9 дней назад +13

      Look no further than indies

    • @austinconway3918
      @austinconway3918 9 дней назад +12

      @@megamanx1291 oh I'm a game developer, I know, but indies tend to have a singular focus even now a days

    • @mruczyslaw50
      @mruczyslaw50 9 дней назад

      @@crestofhonor2349 It would be possible, they just aren't limited by hardware as much as they were back then so they don't need to care that much about this. These days only switch is a platform that still cares about storage, mainly because high capacity game cards are pricey, sometimes developers cheaps out on storage so the card doesn't include the entire game and you have to download the rest of it from the store anyway, that was the case multiple times.

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 9 дней назад

      Although this was originally a much bigger game in scope but had to be severely cut down, and it shows pretty much everywhere

  • @deathdoor
    @deathdoor 9 дней назад +122

    Oh man, character skin is NOT an "upgrade", on the contrary! Specially Jade's skin. And I can't even describe what's wrong with her hair.

    • @vesselinkrastev
      @vesselinkrastev 9 дней назад +12

      Yeah, the final result doesn't seem objectively better to me.

    • @marcgtsr
      @marcgtsr 9 дней назад +6

      Same here

    • @GrandHighGamer
      @GrandHighGamer 9 дней назад +10

      Yeah, she looks anemic. The rich skin tone in the original looks really good still, plus the more vivid colour of her clothes. Some of that will be down to having tone mapping these days (i.e. brightly lit colours lose saturation in real life - aka 'why the sun looks white not yellow'), but some of it has to just be some poor materials. Kinda hope they patch it.

    • @deathdoor
      @deathdoor 9 дней назад +1

      @@GrandHighGamer "but some of it has to just be some poor materials"
      Like the skin. DF praises it for having more details and the light acting upon it, or something like that, but the skin should really look like that? It looks more like sandpaper.

    • @fishychips08
      @fishychips08 9 дней назад

      5:22 New lighting illuminates inside Jade's nostrils! Truly next gen.

  • @marcgtsr
    @marcgtsr 9 дней назад +35

    Jade seems pale in the new one.

  • @selohcin
    @selohcin 9 дней назад +12

    I love what they're doing with this, but look at the image at 5:20 and tell me the whole thing doesn't look faded and whitewashed.

  • @churibman
    @churibman 9 дней назад +58

    Man, I wish they put the HD release on the switch and made it run at 60fps 😢

    • @HeroC14
      @HeroC14 9 дней назад +4

      They probably built this thing for PC first, ported it to the Xbox and PlayStation, then had to reduce graphics for Switch. I find it hard to believe the Switch can't handle this, but look at Paper Mario.

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 9 дней назад +3

      ​@HeroC14 This just keeps happening doesn't it? Switch should be getting straight ports of old games instead of these remasters it can't even run properly

    • @HeroC14
      @HeroC14 9 дней назад +2

      @@alexsilva28 You can't get straight ports. Go look at Metroid Prime remastered and how people complained reflections were taken out. These newer chips can do a lot the old ones can't but there's still graphical effects that were basically free cost and resource wise on the older systems that the newer systems can't do at higher resolutions as easily.
      It's not that it's not possible, it's that for what they're charging, it's not worth it.

  • @harveyh4532
    @harveyh4532 День назад +2

    As much as I loved this…
    I’m bit annoyed Voice actress Jodie didn’t get an honour “in memory” in the ending credits.

  • @kaikiske7436
    @kaikiske7436 9 дней назад +10

    Why they lighten Jade’s skin tone? 😢

    • @xikaryo6735
      @xikaryo6735 7 дней назад

      Yeah she looks rather sickly now. Her skin tone looked way better before.

    • @richardm6985
      @richardm6985 3 дня назад

      I think it's probably more to do with the new lighting system, that "terra lomax" comparison shot shows that both models are brighter.. i think it's just ambient lighting etc yeah

  • @pris1883cr
    @pris1883cr 9 дней назад +7

    I would really like to see a DF retro comparison of gamecube/ps2/xbox versions of the original and highlighting the differences of each port. I remember the camera feature having different resolutions between the ports.

  • @quackcharge
    @quackcharge 9 дней назад +51

    not very impressed honestly. level geometry stands out in bad ways in this remake, it blended a lot better in the original. lighting is terribly cold. adding high frequency normals to very character doesn't always go well with the low poly style. the microphone has a mesh texture now? incredible!

    • @GaminylGames
      @GaminylGames 9 дней назад

      Its a remaster. It's also a cheap remaster.
      This game was practically unplayable on PC, unavailable to purchase anywhere, and is pretty rare in physical form. For so long the best way to play this was emulating PS3. They went above and beyond what they needed to do just by changing the character models - I would have bought this day 1 anyway.

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад

      *remaster

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад +2

      @@GaminylGames well I wouldnt call it "cheap" when they rerecorded the whole soudntrack by an orchestra and added a ton of high quality behind the scenes content
      they really put a lot of work into it, but still some things are missing.
      they should have made it $30, fixed old bugs, added more small things and optimized it more

    • @GaminylGames
      @GaminylGames 8 дней назад

      @@overdev1993 I meant cheap as in inexpensive to purchase. Its only $19.99 and was totally worth it
      One could argue patching bugs would block speed runners. Agreed though, they coulda done more but I'm just being positive and I'm happy it's not some poorly emulated PS2 classic haha

  • @lolcat
    @lolcat 9 дней назад +8

    A rayman 2 overhaul like this.. come on now ubisoft

  • @Monticello19
    @Monticello19 9 дней назад +7

    Looks like the emulated PS3 HD version on RPCS3 will still be my preferred version.

    • @freepok
      @freepok 8 дней назад

      Why is it better than the pc version?

    • @Monticello19
      @Monticello19 8 дней назад

      @@freepok for me, controller is broken on pc and this game was made for it so proper controller options and prompts (I'm using a PS5 controller and 4K resolution). I can upscale and add reshade post processing like pc. It's like the best of both pc and console.

  • @mruczyslaw50
    @mruczyslaw50 9 дней назад +17

    This game was made by Ubisoft before it became what we know today. Giving green light to new IPs and experiments, instead of milking the 10th game of the known franchise without any real improvements over previous games. This game could have been canceled or made by a completely different studio if it was worked on today. And that's why I'm not surprised that Beyond Good & Evil 2 was rumored to be cancelled, even if it will finally come out I'm not trying to be hyped up for it because I prefer to be surprised if it will be good rather than being disappointed if it won't, which is unfortunately somewhat likely.
    Assassin's Creed 4 Black Flag, Far Cry 3 and Rayman Legends - these were the last great games from that company, so good that from time to time I just feel like I wanna replay them again and finish for like a 5th time. Even though I played and tried to love what they did later I just couldn't. Watch Dogs is a game I love even though it has issues, because it was something new and revolutionary in some cases. Watch Dogs 2 was just alright, nothing special but with completely different atmosphere over first game. Watch Dogs Legion however, for me it is straight up garbare. Other example, Assassin's Creed Unity was good but definitely not better than Ezio trilogy or Black Flag. Origins and all newer titles were repeatable and boring after few hours, and they don't even differ that much from each other. Your opinion may vary, as I know that many people like new Assassin's Creed games and there is nothing wrong with that, but I don't believe Ubisoft is able to make the second Beyond Good & Evil as good as the original anyway.
    The remaster looks great and still has the charm of original game, but this is just an improvement over the original we had, of course that's what you want from a remaster but I'm not expecting any of their new games to be as good as this as I see how quality of their games is regressing over time.

    • @Johnspartan296
      @Johnspartan296 9 дней назад +2

      Beyond Good and Evil 2 hasn't been cancelled.

    • @mruczyslaw50
      @mruczyslaw50 9 дней назад

      @@Johnspartan296 Even if it isn't, it is very quiet about it and there are rumors about its cancellation. Even if it will finally be released, I'm still worried that it won't be a game that could stand a chance to be a true sequel to the original based on what Ubisoft was releasing in recent years.

    • @Johnspartan296
      @Johnspartan296 9 дней назад +5

      @@mruczyslaw50 My guy, there's literally references to it in the Anniversary Edition of BG&E. I'm not worried about it being cancelled until Ubi comes straight out and says it's cancelled.

    • @MKwadratPodcast
      @MKwadratPodcast 9 дней назад +1

      I BG&E2 is cancelled, why would they add a reference to this game in this remaster? :) Very good comment otherwise.

    • @richardm6985
      @richardm6985 3 дня назад

      Ubisoft used to be a byword for quality when i was a kid, across so many genres etc

  • @Lucax97
    @Lucax97 9 дней назад +3

    Surprised they went this far. Looks gorgeous!

  • @marfg12345
    @marfg12345 9 дней назад +123

    It's insane to me that a literal PS2 game drops below 60fps at 1440p.

    • @billycutiep
      @billycutiep 9 дней назад +12

      It does have some upgrades, but yeah I get your point.

    • @ottomaticallyawesome
      @ottomaticallyawesome 9 дней назад +9

      Well I mean… not really? I definitely see where you’re coming from, and I personally don’t think the graphical fidelity would warrants that resolution and frame rate, but it is a game built for current gen. I assure you, it looks many times better than the PS2. Even the resolution alone, in performance mode, is more than eight times increased.

    • @JamieRobert_
      @JamieRobert_ 9 дней назад +2

      @@marfg12345it’s time we got new consoles, these machines just aren’t up to task anymore it’s kinda sad we’re already pushing the limits

    • @ShindlerReal
      @ShindlerReal 9 дней назад

      PS2 couldn't reach stable 60 fps in any single game.

    • @brotherbodhi237
      @brotherbodhi237 9 дней назад +20

      @@ShindlerRealthat is not true at all lol

  • @OverlordActual
    @OverlordActual 9 дней назад +7

    Thanks for the video Tom. Gotta say, I was ok that switch was at 30fps until it was mentioned that the OG Xbox could get well above that. Kinda disappointing. Seems like Series X|S and PS5 doing pretty ok. Was thinking performance mode would target 120fps since resolution mode was already 60fps.

  • @arinwald
    @arinwald 9 дней назад +15

    Honestly, I think i prefer lower resolution textures without normal maps like, for example, skins. It breaks the special look of an old game. Sadly, the switch is the only version to feature it and its frames go below 30 :C

    • @stangamer1151
      @stangamer1151 9 дней назад +2

      Thankfully you can play Switch version on PC with locked 60 fps!

    • @arinwald
      @arinwald 9 дней назад

      @@stangamer1151 emula... EHEM xD

  • @mrsoulslike570
    @mrsoulslike570 9 дней назад +25

    Anyone know FOR SURE if there's a Y-only invert option? My ps3 version will only invert x+y and im not an absolute pyscho so i can't play it. Would love to finally give this a go though 😭

    • @DuckAlertBeats
      @DuckAlertBeats 9 дней назад +6

      Yeah I had the same issue with the old versions. I read that they've added proper options now (I think). Can someone confirm?

    • @rbaz9454
      @rbaz9454 9 дней назад +10

      Yes it has a proper Y invert this time

    • @lilivier
      @lilivier 4 дня назад +1

      I can confirm there is a Y only invert option

  • @TheSliderW
    @TheSliderW 9 дней назад +11

    The normal maps are too distracting. I loved the smooth cartoon look. I wish thwy would go the Nintendo way and just add polygons while keeping the original feel. in that regard, the switch version seemss close enough

  • @b4ttlemast0r
    @b4ttlemast0r 9 дней назад +19

    They added Denuvo DRM and Ubisoft integration bs, achievements are only on ubisoft connect, and they want to force us to play this version since they've removed the original from the Steam store. This just adds to the record of Ubisoft treating gamers terribly.

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад

      aka all bigger game publishers nowadays

  • @Solid-Lion_Official
    @Solid-Lion_Official 9 дней назад +3

    I feel like you can't go wrong with the hd edition. The 20th anniversary edition is great, it's just the most drastic. Sometimes these comparisons get us to nitpick too much though because the upgrades can outway any seeming cons but we may not be able to count them all without playing it. Though the new price is excellent, can't go wrong with that either.

  • @omidmiresmaeili
    @omidmiresmaeili 8 дней назад +1

    I like Tom's style of reviewing-very objective and well-rounded as always. Thanks, Tom!

  • @ClamBuster4
    @ClamBuster4 9 дней назад +9

    the 2011 version you couldn't invert the y-axis (or you could if you invert both (i can't fully remember, but it wasn't ideal))... can you now?

    • @MyWORDisntGospel
      @MyWORDisntGospel 9 дней назад +4

      Inverting Y axis is the first thing I do in any game.

  • @0hMyGandhi
    @0hMyGandhi 9 дней назад +2

    as long as they keep that "Propaganda" song that plays in the Akuda Bar, I'm all in.

  • @mikevegas87
    @mikevegas87 8 дней назад

    Good memories playing that game in the past. Nice video!

  • @swissmrkc
    @swissmrkc 9 дней назад +1

    Much like back in the day....I bought it on PS2 and then on OG xbox (much improved visuals) the floating TV 📺 went from blurry mess to clear.
    I downloaded on Switch and will purchase physical on PS5. Worth it for the Chefs kiss game from that era.❤

  • @tontonyoyo9887
    @tontonyoyo9887 9 дней назад +1

    Thanks for the video, great remaster !

  • @UberNoodle
    @UberNoodle 9 дней назад +3

    If the Switch version was just the Xbox 360 HD version ported with some enhancements and a couple of extra bells and whistles, would it have performed significantly better? I feel like with these remasters, the Switch is done a disservice by trying to port them over when the older gen version with simple improvements would probably do a lot better. Like Alan Wake, for example. It probably would look and perform a lot better if it was a port of the older gen version rather than the remaster.

  • @Shantara11
    @Shantara11 9 дней назад +1

    I’ve first played the BG&E on PC at release, and recently replayed it on Steam Deck. It’s one of my all time favorites, and the art style holds up perfectly well. The only thing that could be distracting at first were the “glove” style hands on some of the characters, as for the rest I never felt like any kind of upgrade was warranted

  • @Luthee
    @Luthee 9 дней назад +1

    Thank you DF for covering this remaster. The game had a few magnificent music tracks, if I recall correctly the battle theme was one of them.
    That being said it's sad to hear that switch performance is not good and that even on PS5 there are huge framerate dips on occasion.

  • @theinsfrijonds
    @theinsfrijonds 9 дней назад +1

    I love the fact that Jade from this game, Alyx from Halflife 2, and Kristen Holt from G4 TechTV formed a kind of woman zeitgeist back in the early 2000s!
    Cute, short dark hair, and curvy! How did this look ever go out of style?

  • @cosbusta
    @cosbusta 9 дней назад +39

    Sounds like they added two pointless modes instead of having a triple buffering setup and a single mode running at 1800p or something.

    • @ryanskelton9548
      @ryanskelton9548 9 дней назад +9

      exactly and the switch version has dynamic 900-1080p so why couldn't something similar be implemented in the ps5/xbox versions to prevent all of this.

    • @37racso
      @37racso 9 дней назад +16

      Or - you know - figure out why alpha effects in a 20-year old game kill performance on 4K consoles?

    • @alexsilva28
      @alexsilva28 9 дней назад

      ​@@37racsoExactly, that's the real issue here

    • @choo_choo_
      @choo_choo_ 9 дней назад +3

      @@37racso They're new alpha effects/textures @ 4k, not 20-year old textures. But at the same time, alpha effect have ALWAYS been a performance tanker due to how they're drawn. With normal rendering, it's done front to back (camera to background), but when rendering alpha, it's done back to front, usually. Since you have to calculate what's behind it first, and work "backwards" towards the camera. Which is really intensive when you have a bunch of objects with alpha layered on top of each other, like you'd have with smoke and explosions. Especially when they cover large amounts of the screen (forcing the entire screen to render back to front).
      As a developer doesn't have control over where you point your camera, or how close that camera is to those effects (whether they cover the screen), it's hard to really optimize for in terms of blending. Like you can clip the alpha to 0-1 values (on or off), but then you get hard edges that look bad. It works in select cases, but for the majority of alpha applications, it's not a good solution since you want a blending between opaque and transparent.

    • @37racso
      @37racso 9 дней назад +1

      @@choo_choo_ Thank you for a fascinating background on the tech behind these effects - really, great insights. While I see your point, I'm just wondering if this means the devs should have opted for some alternative solution then. If you look at 10:22 in the video - this part doesn't have any visible alpha effects and yet it causes the aforementioned framerate issues, which indicates to me that some more effort could have gone into the optimization of this game. I hope I didn't come off as too harsh, but I just can't fathom that a 20 year old game could struggle to run on these consoles. Your insight into how these new effects work shines some light onto this issue, but I still believe the devs might have missed something.

  • @greob
    @greob 7 дней назад

    Nice video, thanks for sharing.

  • @YefimStefán
    @YefimStefán 9 дней назад +1

    insane nostalgia 🥲

  • @chriswy697
    @chriswy697 17 часов назад

    4:40 It looks like those floating fish aliens are now using significantly LESS detailed textures compared to the 2003 original.

  • @bpwilko
    @bpwilko 9 дней назад +3

    This game always reminded me of star fox adventures dinosaur planet , which was my favourite game.of all time and still looks incredible to this day , I also loved this game too obviously for the fact it had massive similarities to that 😄

  • @panimala
    @panimala 3 дня назад

    Man the HD looks so much better. The textures just look so shoddy with added normal maps and in the worst cases they change the way the characters come across which is even noted 6:58

  • @corruptscanline
    @corruptscanline 9 дней назад +30

    This review is kind of shocking because DF usually have good taste around these types of remasters. The review praises the high texture resolution, normal maps, dynamic lighting, and re-arting in general without criticizing how those things break the look and feel of the game and feel flat and unnatural.
    Redoing the art in this type of remaster almost always results in a major downgrade unless its done very carefully and tastefully, in which case only certain assets generally need changes, like Nightdive's Quake 2.

  • @IESUproductions
    @IESUproductions 9 дней назад +1

    I've been waiting for this vid to see if this is a worthwhile upgrade to the the backwards compatible version of BG&E HD on Xbox I already own. I'm glad to hear that it is!

  • @Robert-hb9mo
    @Robert-hb9mo 8 дней назад +1

    I think Jade's darker skin tone in the original looks better.

  • @SjoerdvanGestel
    @SjoerdvanGestel 9 дней назад +2

    I really hope they changed that god awefull ending with the upsidedown controls

    • @choward435
      @choward435 8 дней назад

      Nope, it's still there, but it seems they shortened the number of hits you have to get on the boss to trigger the final cutscene.

  • @MKwadratPodcast
    @MKwadratPodcast 9 дней назад +1

    3:15 - are you sure it was a boost to 720p, not 1080p?

  • @jamesbothoms6009
    @jamesbothoms6009 9 дней назад +3

    Niche I know but any chance of a quick mention of how titles like this perform on the Steam Deck?

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад

      probably in a future video that covers the PC version

  • @johnodaz1273
    @johnodaz1273 9 дней назад +1

    Great Video DF, I have been waiting for this.
    The Switch Version is a little disappointing but very Playable nonetheless, the same with the Series S Version also.
    I think the 1440p 60fps Mode on the PS5 n Series X is the way too go, especially for the first Playthrough at least.

  • @DragAmiot
    @DragAmiot 8 дней назад

    I was waiting for this video

  • @Myako
    @Myako 9 дней назад +1

    That was a great video. I played the OG GC version and it was truly magical for its time. I'm going to get the PC version of this edition.💪🏻
    While we're at it: I learned that a version of "Blade of Darkness" was recently released on consoles. Could you do a similar comparison with the latest PC version?

  • @Nolasco.
    @Nolasco. 9 дней назад +1

    This was a great coverage. Thanks Tom 👍🏼
    P.S any physical release announced?

    • @WH250398
      @WH250398 9 дней назад +1

      Through Limited Run.

    • @Nolasco.
      @Nolasco. 9 дней назад

      @@WH250398 thanks bro 👍🏼

  • @Oshadorin
    @Oshadorin 9 дней назад

    Already bought it. Finally going to play this for the first time after testing the intro on the PC version for years

    • @Receipt
      @Receipt 9 дней назад

      Enjoy amigo.

  • @ArrestedDeveloper
    @ArrestedDeveloper 9 дней назад

    It holds up, so much fun and an interesting world

  • @marklarz4399
    @marklarz4399 9 дней назад +27

    "It's available on Steam": YEEEEE
    "It requires Ubisoft Account": NAAAAAY

    • @giocalle375
      @giocalle375 9 дней назад +4

      yeah i pass EA/UBISOFT games cause 3rd party launcher...so stupid to me
      me i guess i m the minority pissed off about that.

    • @kruvik
      @kruvik 9 дней назад +3

      "Thankfully" there are also no Steam achievements, even though achievements are mentioned on the Steam store page. What a joke.

    • @stangamer1151
      @stangamer1151 9 дней назад +3

      "It includes Denuvo": big NO!

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад +1

      also no steam achievements btw

  • @roelofbruinsma9246
    @roelofbruinsma9246 8 дней назад

    A fitting treatment for this timeless classic.

  • @mrpositronia
    @mrpositronia 7 дней назад +1

    BG&E2 release date confirmed: Never.

  • @WAGLB
    @WAGLB 8 дней назад +1

    Rayman 3 Hoodlum Ravoc could have the same treatment, it is a great game

  • @Fulthrotle73
    @Fulthrotle73 9 дней назад +3

    Solid work Tom. Thanks!

  • @Paulie8K
    @Paulie8K 9 дней назад

    Interesting. One of my favorite games from the Gamecube. I actually have the HD version in my Ubisoft backlog as they gave it away for free several years back but I haven't played it. Might give that version a spin.

  • @Dr.RojoMcDelly
    @Dr.RojoMcDelly 9 дней назад +2

    Another quality video as always men! Always look forward to your guys content.

  • @BonJovy
    @BonJovy 9 дней назад +2

    even in ps2 game you need to choose between modes...

  • @MorriganJade
    @MorriganJade 9 дней назад

    Is the camera also improved so you can look around a lot better?
    In some missions it felt really clunky to do so.

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад

      a little bit for what I have seen

  • @MadsterV
    @MadsterV 3 дня назад

    Rhino's facial normal map is inverted

  • @carlosnascimento9269
    @carlosnascimento9269 9 дней назад

    Was really hoping for some Deck impressions.

  • @Emi_Alvarez
    @Emi_Alvarez 8 дней назад

    What a beautiful game. I couldn't never find another game that mixes genres like action adventure, exploration, racing, even a photograph game, so seamlessly. I urge anyone to recomend any to fill the void in my heart.

  • @ChisponGroxo
    @ChisponGroxo 9 дней назад

    Seems fine but I hope they add triple buffered v-sync.

  • @DavidPereiraLima123
    @DavidPereiraLima123 8 дней назад +1

    DF is on point on sharpness and quality content as always, but the coarse skin is what put me off on this one, Peyj is a little uncanny valle-y. The cartoon style looks weird with all those overly detailed textures.

  • @Paddydapro
    @Paddydapro 8 дней назад

    This game is a gem i found randomly with a friend of mine back in childhood.. so many great memories and what a great game 👍

  • @Feesh116
    @Feesh116 4 дня назад

    I’m just glad it doesn’t crash every five minutes anymore

  • @__G___
    @__G___ 9 дней назад +384

    Beyond good and evil 2 will never be released

    • @Mitch93636
      @Mitch93636 9 дней назад +6

      Ubisoft said that it’s cancelled.

    • @goe74life49
      @goe74life49 9 дней назад +1

      Can't believe that what a shame.

    • @__G___
      @__G___ 9 дней назад +12

      @@Mitch93636 yup just another reason to not support ubisoft

    • @id104335409
      @id104335409 9 дней назад +3

      Dont let them play the games they want to play. Play the games we let them! Otherwise they might start telling us what is good and bad.

    • @Tim-007
      @Tim-007 9 дней назад +121

      @@Mitch93636No they didn’t. Quit spreading lies dude.

  • @G.Freeman92
    @G.Freeman92 5 дней назад

    The leaked gameplay for 2 has its 20th anniversary coming up.

  • @bonster101
    @bonster101 8 дней назад

    Music in this game is amazing

  • @retrosean199
    @retrosean199 5 дней назад

    I think somewhere in my basement is an unopened copy of the original game I got from a local shop that was going out of business. I'm sad to say it stayed on my eternal backlog 😅

  • @vergeofapathy
    @vergeofapathy 7 дней назад

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this run at a mostly stable 60fps on GameCube? I mean cool that it has some visual updates, but is that enough of an excuse to have it at a spotty 30fps on Switch?

  • @RusticYT123
    @RusticYT123 9 дней назад +1

    Ive been playing it on switch and its awesome. I remember playing this on the xbox 360.
    Also im wondering how ubisoft hasnt brought some of there other older games to switch. Like Farcry 3 and 4 and maybe somehow the older tom clancy games.

  • @masofdas
    @masofdas 9 дней назад

    Guessing performance is also the same on Series S as in resolution mode and has those drops?

  • @r1n488
    @r1n488 9 дней назад

    Would have loved to see how it runs on the Deck

  • @Bartman3010
    @Bartman3010 9 дней назад

    13:00 Why is that blimp clipping into the mountain on both versions at the same time.

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад

      cause they never fixed old bugs for the remaster and introduced new ones

  • @alexsilva28
    @alexsilva28 9 дней назад

    No mention of the real time lighting and shadows or did I missed it? By far the biggest and most obvious improvement for me are the shadows being real in the remaster

  • @PosTAL8006
    @PosTAL8006 9 дней назад +6

    Best game ever made. Completed it on many systems.

    • @frostyone182
      @frostyone182 9 дней назад

      I can’t stand hyperbole. This is most definitely not the best game ever made. That’s an absurdly silly statement.

  • @etbadaboum
    @etbadaboum 9 дней назад

    I still believe they're working on B&E2 🤞

  • @Felix_Schmitz
    @Felix_Schmitz 9 дней назад

    7:15 OH MY GOD IT HAS CRUMPLES!!!!

  • @shaunnightfire8269
    @shaunnightfire8269 9 дней назад

    Proudly had this game on the Gamecube. My friends were very impressed with it!

  • @carlosnascimento9269
    @carlosnascimento9269 9 дней назад

    They put more effort into this than I thought.

  • @alrightylol
    @alrightylol 9 дней назад

    So subtle upgrades, id expect it to run like 4k/120.

  • @HeadacheCentral
    @HeadacheCentral 8 дней назад

    Fine enough on Switch, but what's with the tiny subtitles?
    Is there any way to make them bigger?

  • @thanksbetotap
    @thanksbetotap 9 дней назад +3

    Does anyone know if this supports DualSense haptics, or just standard rumble?

    • @PulseAttack
      @PulseAttack 9 дней назад

      Who tf cares, its a fucking original xbox game.

    • @overdev1993
      @overdev1993 8 дней назад

      it doesnt support that
      cause Ubisoft

  • @grantlauzon5237
    @grantlauzon5237 9 дней назад

    13:02 blimp crashes into mountain.