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Reason is tragically underrated. There are a lot of misconceptions about it based on the limitations of earlier versions.
But u just rated it high
Reason still sucks, just ask a reason user if they're happy with reason as a DAW. Reason rack is nice though in a modern DAW like FL or Live. Grain, Algoritm, Object and players are fun.
Reason has pretty much always been known to include high quality sounds, instruments and effects.
So if it's underrated, I don't think it's because people doubt it's sonic capabilities, but because it doesn't seem to be as intuitive to use as many of the other leading DAWs and the high price tag of $499.
not paying $500 for a DAW I don't need just so I can use a plugin. They're pissing money away by not making these VSTs, or at least making a free version of reason that can host the instruments. I would buy their instruments, but only if the cost comes down to earth. I bought europa because they sold it as a VST. But apparently they don't want my money any more.
Beardyman did an astounding demo. After that, I tried it myself, and Objekt sounds phenomenal. One of the best sounding plugins I’ve ever heard.
that's what I thought just watching this tbh, it sounds so gd good
The reason rack is a vst, Objekt is an instrument you buy separately that runs in the reason rack.
The Ipad's have the Lemur software. I've had it for like 10 years. Its dope. You MAKE your own interface. All it does it trigger. It works exactly like a midi keyboard except you make the keys. Lemur is GOAT
Finally physical modeling synthesis gets some real love. This and Supermodal are going to open up some wild possibilities.
I'm a vocal guy (mimic not a beat boxer),I've been following beardyman for years. But I'm still looping using a Kaoss KP3 live, inspired by a setup he was using since the mid 00s - I could move it over to Loopy Pro or Lemur on the iPad, but I dig the crazy lo-fi hardware and track limitations when sketching. While his modern setup boggles my mind, my own setup is its own kind of mind-boggling beast that incorporates vocal processors, vintage outboard gear, a Maschine and voice-controlled Hydrasynth, all vesa mounted and rigged up onto an adjustable mobile standing desk, so it's easy to imagine how one arrives at these crazy ass solutions over time. So many weird and wonderful workflows out there, some just make me go 'waat?' This particular demo he does sold me on Objekt.
Orbital use Lemur on iPads don't they? I'm almost sure that I've watched a really interesting vid where they talk about Lemur and their live rig.
I remember the kp3 stage performances he did
Weaver Beatus❤
I have Objekt. It truly is an amazing instrument
Beardyman is just a crazy genius and he has an amazing talent of making any sound with his voice
This is one of your best in my opinion. Beardyman's vid about Objekt blew me away. I'm a Reason user and bought Objekt at the introductory price but I'm yet to eek out anything close to the awesome sounds that Beardyman has. His vid helped to assure me that I made the right decision about my purchase. He stated that he did receive payment from Reason Studios. I don't care about that though because there are few whose opinions about music software that I respect more than his.
ETA: Turnado is looking good too.
I"m so jelly how talented this guy is
💯% With ypu on that sentiment! 👊🧡👍
Reason Studios needs to get this guy back on, best video on there channel for a while.
I left reason as well from lack of VST support. I will never look back.
I got into synths 40 years ago and like your channel and love Reason... Was an early adopter at Reason 1 back in the day. I still love the old devices although they could do with some new sampler units that are more in line with sampler engines on the Iridium I think. I do think it's coming to the end of its life as a DAW though... very hard for it to compete though the rack concept has a lot going for it I think.
I do like the flexibility of routing in Reason and the idea that you can save instrument stacks and those routings is very appealing when compared to hardware. As an owner of ARP2600, Pro3, MPCX, DFAM, Matriarch etc etc I know that it can be often quite difficult to CV all that gear together and remember what the hell is going on... also patch cable lengths longer than 1m are quite hard to come by unless you want to make your own. So to have all that recallable and virtualised is pretty cool.
I also downloaded Objekt a few days ago and was amazed at how life like those sounds are... when I was playing chords I got some interacting harmonics that just blended so beautifully.... bit like when you a strum a chord on a guitar and it isn't just the individual strings being sounded but the string interaction too.. Got me wondering if the Iridium resonator can work with external audio... that would be sweet.
I am not sure about MPE support though...I have a ROLI and Iridium keyboard so I will test that out but I do recall that Reason isn't supporting MPE just yet.
Anyway thanks for the video it was interesting to view your opinions.
Thanks for sharing, I found your post interesting.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf welcome!
Beardytron looks like Weaver's Desktop
This reminds me of Corpus and Resonators in Ableton. Cool stuff.
daaaaaaam!!! hes on point weaver your right!
"Tornado" conjures an actual tornado into reality.
Turnado is a plugin from the highly underrated Sugar-Bytes. Pretty cool for making crazy breaks and glitchy stuff. One real interesting thing is the effects are routed in the order that they are activated, so you can do some pretty wild stuff on the fly. Most of the Sugar-Bytes stuff has been around for ages but just flies under the radar.
Karplus strong is wonderful. My 2hp pluck eurorack module has become an obsession.
I thought MPE stood for MIDI Polyphonic Expression...
Damn this guy can score the whole movie by himself
On the last Black Friday sale I bought the 1 year Reason+ subscription for a year for 99$ to see if it was a good fit in bitwig. And the Reason Rack workflow is kinda archaic compared to Bitwig's workflow. There are good plugins in Reason but there's also a lot of legacy crap that is there only to keep compatibility with old Reason projects. Also if you buy it, it ends up very expensive since the best plugins are not included in the base Reason package.
This dude is really fun, so many way to beatbox and then tweak with his tools. He has a great vid were he produces a live song with Tom Scott all from sounds made by a guy who has no beatboxing or singing skills.
I liked when Beardyman did Windowlicker with his face.
Was that ring tone at the end from a Ghost Pepper phone?!?
I think most of that is just OSC.
OSC is a protocol and software where you can create buttons or shapes and have them send OSC signals to another software/device (Similar to midi).
This kind of bonkers resonator sound design is why I love eurorack. You can get just as in depth as this plugin but with a way more hands-on workflow.
Plasmonic and Applied Acoustic Systems products are physical modelling based vsts
At a glance/first listen, sounds like this might be some kind of karplus strong algorithm. Amazing how rich and expressive it sounds though
Fuckin Love Beardyman
F..... Weaver reveals entrances to several new rabbit holes for all of us!
Ffs you son of a bitch, I'm in! 😂
That, Was Awesome!!!
Beardyman is a beast!!!
This is a simple Karplus strong synthesis device, similar to Corpus in Ableton. Or any physical modeling device like the one from Infected Mushroom's Polyverse Multimodal.
Literally just load your voice with Corpus after and tweak between the material type. There are no new types of synthesis since like variations on granular, its all just copies of devices.
"this was designed for beardy men" was the most accurate description
Reason should make the really basic stuff in the Reason Rack a free VST. I mean all the stuff that is like two decades old and really doesn't cost any development time. Get the core of the system on to peoples' desktops and get them into the workflow. Then making paid upgrades to the better devices to expand the systems capabilities... sort of like the Kontakt with a limited 'free" system with an upgrade path into the more advanced stuff. Once people develop a feel for the workflow, purchases like a high quality resonator needing another paid environment to exist in crosses two hurdles instead of one.
Holy shit bro, you NEED to mess with Turnado from SugarBytes, so fucking good!
You get 6 months free subscription to reason plus if you register an akai product
Dubler 2 can do this with every plugin you want.
The thing is kinda like mutable instruments rings with more control and polyphony. Really cool plugin. You can achieve similar things with Rings and a mic/contact mic too tho. Free version of rings in vcv rack I believe.
ayo this shit is bonkers!
ExpressiveE… makers of the Osmose… have an amazing physical modeling synth with the same type of sounds as Objekt called Imagine.
Beardyman is limited only by his tools
You can just do this on modular too. I have like 5 resonator modules and they all accept external sounds or even just envelopes or any CV signal.
Beardyman is The Loopmeister !!
Even back when he was doing it on Korg Kaos Pads he was the Master.
I read a Plugin Boutique page that listed Objekt as included in Reason 12 ...
So despite having dropped Reason some years ago, I updated to 12 ...
And it's NOT in there. 😿
Only in Reason+ subscription do you get it included.
Thanks a lot Plugin Boutique ...
Yo if there's a plugin version for any daw this would take over fr
Reason, Live, Rewire and a M-Audio Oxygen keyboard. Good times!
It’s ok for beginners to be intimidated/put off by stuff like this. Not everything needs to be sugar coated for them.
Seems very cool, would love Reason, to release just the vst. All though, AAS's Chromaphone, sounds as good, I don't think it can import samples.
This kind of reminds me of the mutable instruments algorithms, but a bit more evolved.
You can do this in ANY DAW
Audiothing's Gong effect works differently but produces similar sonic results to Objekt. And Turnado is a Sugar Bytes vst plugin that also has an IOS version and it's a multi-effect thing.
Dang, I'm having major Reason flashbacks. I switched away for the same Reasons.
Ableton has a Spectral Resonator with external midi input, Collison,Tension, Resonators, Shifter... I'm wondering if I could make a grouprack that does similar shit.
dude just made a hommage to Blade Runner's opening theme with his mouth and a plugin. these are fascinating times!
Edit: why have i slept on this plugin?
Edit 2 : i used to make some really complex (to me) Ableton Live Sets for controllerism, before it became just finger drumming) and i was making templates for 4 audio tracks. There were a bunch many effects in 1 or 2 racks on each track: filters, delay, reverb, sample rate reduction, beat repeats, Sugar Bytes Artillery. I was using a custom mapping for the APC40 and also a Lauchpad (and later a Midi Fighter 3D) to trigger the glitch effects in Artillery, and a set of 8 macros on the master channel controlling Turnado for more glitchy effects. I was also using every second track to trigger midi clips with automation and using the fader for even more effects. The record arm button for each track became used for tape stop effects.
I would export 4 stems for all my own tracks (drums, bass, synths and leads, misc) and cut them up into clips and then program follow actions for each section of each track.
There was a version into which i added a drum machine track with sounds i played live and also some midi clips, to replace the exported drum stems and the kick and snare sidechained the bass track. There was another iteration where i added a "synth channel" to play live, which had a few different samplers with a specific synth sound and i could cycle through the different sounds with a macro.
Sounds complicated? i got really complex, but it was still nowhere near Beardyman's level... holy shit.
Thanks for sharing, super interesting!
I saw some dude rig Club Lighting on an IPad set up like this he refused to get a proper Lighting controller.
Sugar Bytes' Turnado vst
As a Reason user the main problem with it is the editing, sequencer, and functionality. Their sounds are top tier but they need to fix the other problems. Objekt needs a sampler.
He dropped the patreon line on me when I ask what he developed it with a few months ago. I understand the hustle but like bruh I'm just curious what the software was. My guess is Max for live or combination or pure data and touch designer.
Would Reason be as accessible again if they brought a Reason specific controller with standalone function possibly also? lol
I was really into it when I was young but the back panel that seemed super cool at first just became nightmare... it'll be like in another daw all your plugins not being shown in one channel in it's inserts, and instead scattered all over the place like every part of product being a eurorack.
Then not being able to use 3rd part plugins push that boat over finally for me after I started using other plugins.
I might get Reason to root reason through another DAW to use this.
Back to a Reason standalone idea...
Surely they could get away with making a massive unit that can featuring everything part of the DAW seeing as it's all them?
Does anyone remember those screened keyboard computers? Think timberland promoting them or something.
They were good for the time but was quickly over taken with improvements in software and low end interfaces.
No company yet has made a complete hardware DAW.
We've got pieces... AKAI FORCE has a daw like function but no multi0track recording, yet multi track recorders have existed for decades.
A PC or MAC always have this input and output latency that is never matching hardware.
I mean, a AVID HDX system is the closest you can get but that's a whole load of money and only works with ProTools.
There's the Native HD PCIE card that can work with other DAW's but you then sacrifice a bit more latency with it.
Granted you can not perceive it, but it does make a small impact on performance.
There's a heightened tactile feeling with hardware.
The difference from a MPC or a MPC controller is noticeable played side by side.
There's a certain 5% tactile increase and it in time makes playing more natural and there being a need for less quantising, which leads to more expressive and emotional sounding music.
More emotional can even be for a big gangster boom bap beat also, really giving the big bad vibe in it's movement... more emotion isn't just a bollards.
Not into gangster stuff just for closure just giving some light on the use of the word "emotion" to be a broader meaning.
For ages now I've see these things being brought out that are close to a hardware DAW but never quite fulfilling that desire.
Will a company one day see the need for it?
Is it that it might be too big?
But maybe it can be a studio centre piece that all other things, analogue processing and other hardware devices be connected to.
I had this idea with the FORCE getting it's DAW like function... "Oh it can add a 32in and 32out interface? it can record audio tracks??? amazing!!!" only to find out it can only record one track at a time, so a 32 in interface only means you don't have to swap cables or go from a mixer into the inputs.
Getting there but not quite.
Would be nice now to have plugins like this but in hardware.
how do you do it... you pre-produce it then play it live at the show.
I almost put down the deposit on an Osmose the other day :|
The struggle is real
And omg, I used to spend so much time refining a live looping setup, and it was always so god damn stressful to try to explain it to people. You never know how much detail to go into, how many loose ends to skip past, how many tangents are essential to understanding the workflow, etc etc.. I've kinda moved on from doing it with pedals to doing it in puredata and it only made things harder to describe.
I feel like you could make the reason thing in ableton with EQ + envelope follower + chains + synth. The reason plugin looks similar to collision
are we gonna ignore how hot that violinist is?
I like sample models. I have all the brass and the woodwinds and a piano.
Holy shit this is fucking nuts, how much and how do I get it
I started off using reason and I tried going back. Just get the VST its not not that great dude
😎🤙
Next his AI prompts will take the place of his voice, and once it is trained he won't have to do anything, easy passive income
The new MIMIC sampler is such a let down. There are VST samplers that do way more and also do bmp match with slices and playback. THIs is interesting. I might get it when it goes on sale again.
You right about MIMIC before they rolled it out we was telling them too add those features in a live stream
@@machoman7655 Yeah, its pretty useless and kind of complicated to use vs the VST software and they HAD to know it needed modern functionality but Reason Studios is always going to Reason Studios.
Why can't we just buy the reason rack on its own..? Having to buy a whole DAW for $600 CAD knowing I'll never use the DAW just makes it a non option for me. If I could buy the rack alone, even for $300-400 I'd consider it
FROM THINKING ABOUT WHT YOUR DOING TO DOING IT, YOU JUST CANT BEAT REASON. (REASON IS ANTI MENU)
They just pinched the code for mutable instruments' elements to make object. 1000%
So you can get element clones as vst you don't need reason to have it.
I met beardyman, he's not that cool..shows were always dope tho, back in the day he did many shows with jfb who is also really awesome
Reason is garbage. I have enough real hardware to patch together without wanting to do that shit in a DAW. Side note, Euclidean Sequencer Pro is good. Mostly because it’s pro bro.
Ok here are your controls you can fly this jumbo jet now WTF
I swear Beardyman is 5 years ahead of every other producer at this point, and hes just beaming his streams back through time at us. ✨🪐