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  • Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024

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  • @BingeBuffoon
    @BingeBuffoon  10 месяцев назад +11

    There’s going to be a lot of talk about “social commentary” in this reaction. If you had the patience to make it through, congratulations and have a great day.
    P.S. Yes, I do think Doctor Who should stop with the contrived messaging if it actually wants to move forward.

  • @ajandrianjafymusic
    @ajandrianjafymusic 10 месяцев назад +8

    ‘I walked in universes where the laws of physics were devised by a mad man’- 11

  • @JackMellor498
    @JackMellor498 10 месяцев назад +13

    Melanie “Mel” Bush was a regular in about 1986-87, she travelled with the Sixth (Colin Baker) and Seventh (Sylvester McCoy) Docs 😊

  • @AxelaxiB
    @AxelaxiB 10 месяцев назад +24

    I remember when the only things dividing Doctor Who fans was the quality of the CGI

    • @BingeBuffoon
      @BingeBuffoon  10 месяцев назад +3

      Lmao.

    • @l33tspaniard
      @l33tspaniard 10 месяцев назад +10

      In what universe? Who fans have always been super contentious about everything. You know how pissed they were that the doctor kissed a girl in 1996? Essays longer than academic papers have been written complaining about every little thing from that to farting aliens in 2005.

    • @Quirderph
      @Quirderph 10 месяцев назад +1

      When?! People have been arguing whether or not Doctor Who sucks now compared to earlier seasons since before the show even *had* CGI!
      (What was unanimous was that said CGI was pretty rough.)

    • @dngillikin
      @dngillikin 10 месяцев назад +2

      "What has happened to the magic of Doctor Who?" --Jan-Vincent Rudzki, 1976 essay complaining about the portrayal of the Time Lords in "The Deadly Assassin."

  • @m0ejo324
    @m0ejo324 10 месяцев назад +5

    See this is what I like when seeing someone's opinion on something. Showing that they have actually watched it and it seems like we both understood what they were going for. I personally like the specials and enjoyed your reactions. You got yourself a new subscriber.

    • @ultramagnushurts
      @ultramagnushurts 10 месяцев назад +1

      I don't think he watched Jodie since he said he didn't know the Flux

  • @chrisdiokno5600
    @chrisdiokno5600 10 месяцев назад +1

    Basically from what I know of The Toymaker, he, like the Great Intelligence, at least per the Expanded Universe, is a literal Lovecraftian entity, one of the Great Old Ones

  • @iansmith4023
    @iansmith4023 10 месяцев назад +23

    I enjoyed your comments. I agree with your opinions thoroughly.
    1) "Rage-bait videos". These are infuriating, yet also comical. I remember watching them loudly proclaiming that Dr Who, as a series, was about to die back in 2017; confidently predicting that it would last no further beyond Series 11. Then confidently proclaiming the same things in 2019. Then again in 2021. RTD and Tenant came back,which I naively assumed would make the naysayers happier - but,no; the series is perpetually about to die....despite getting a huge investment from Disney of £100m - no matter. It will apparently always be on its last legs. Still - it gets these people lots of hits on RUclips.
    For what it's worth, a part of Who fandom has always been toxic. Back in the 80s, there was a fanzine which kept proclaiming the same thing - until the show was cancelled; at which point it despaired that the show had died!
    2). RTD doing nuance! 😂. His stories have energy and creativity; but his social messaging hits like a painful sledgehammer at times.
    However...he is a huge fan; and he knows what he's doing.
    3). Give Classic Who a try. Not all of it, obviously; but give some of its
    more popular stories a go - I think you'll find them fascinating.

    • @timaustin2000
      @timaustin2000 10 месяцев назад +11

      I've lost all my patience for those idiots, frankly. "Fans" who've never actually understood the show or, indeed, science fiction itself and use the genre as an escape from sad, lonely lives. So when the show adds to their insecurities they proclaim it "Woke" or some other utter bullshit term to make themselves feel superior.
      We don't need them.

    • @alanbeaumont4848
      @alanbeaumont4848 10 месяцев назад

      So the declining viewing figures aren't significant then? I left (I don't say we, because I don't share many of the reasons some people are annoyed) during 13's run because of the lousy plotting, divergence of characterization and implausible abandonment of established canon. Now you could argue, as RTD now does, that anything is possible in WHO, but that IMHO makes it a magical fantasy, not Sci Fi. What we have here after this episode is a toon lacking even the parameters of Roger Rabbit, who could only do impossible things if they were funny). I think Doctor Who is pretty much dead because it seldom resembles Doctor Who (Wild Blue Yonder was very good), but if we are going full fantasy I'm out again.

    • @timaustin2000
      @timaustin2000 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@alanbeaumont4848 not significant? They're not even real! These last three specials have been significantly better than before - and significantly better than most UK drama in 2023.
      The move to Sunday and the decline in the quality of the writing hurt Doctor Who. Indeed, it could be argued that Chibnal's 'Who has been the most solidly sci-fi of the lot and it was HIS run that dropped the ball, ratings wise.

    • @iansmith4023
      @iansmith4023 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@timaustin2000 Correct! The viewing figures were unquestionably declining in the Chibnall era (positively dismal for the Sea Devils story); but I wouldn't call 7.6 million for Star Beast a declining figure.
      The big test will be series 14,post Christmas Special.

    • @gay4sswhovian
      @gay4sswhovian 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@alanbeaumont4848there's been litterally 7 millions people watching it each time (and only counting the TV audience not DISNEY+'s who. Must be even bigger)

  • @Cine_Curious
    @Cine_Curious 10 месяцев назад +6

    I just love, that „timey wimey thing“ is a valid argument in Whoism.

  • @OkeanosZT2
    @OkeanosZT2 10 месяцев назад +17

    I don't think you're giving RTD too much credit because he definitely knew what the reaction would be. It's almost scary... Kate goes on that tirade and accuses Shirley of really being able to walk, and there were literally people on twitter accusing the actress of not needing a wheelchair because she isn't fully paralysed from the waist down (the actress has spina bifida so she's an ambulatory wheelchair user, meaning sometimes she can walk without it)

  • @tiagopatricio3805
    @tiagopatricio3805 10 месяцев назад +17

    You are not giving RTD to much credit, he is a genious on this kind of episodes...
    The Toymaker is basically a God, he resembles Loki, from norden mythology, as he uses tricks and pranks to cause harm

    • @alanbeaumont4848
      @alanbeaumont4848 10 месяцев назад +1

      gods who can appear at any point in time and space don't fluff catches. The Doctor would have to use guile to defeat them. RTD instead uses lazy writing to arrive at his preferred conclusion.

    • @jonathangoodwin5609
      @jonathangoodwin5609 10 месяцев назад +9

      @alanbeaumont4848 except it has been established that the Toymaker cannot cheat. This would naturally include using their power. So during the game, the Toymaker is limited to playing the game like a normal person, with all the flaws that introduces.

    • @chazo1367
      @chazo1367 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@alanbeaumont4848 He can't use his powers to win the game, that would be cheating.

    • @alanbeaumont4848
      @alanbeaumont4848 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@chazo1367 Not in classical WHO. In a Toymaker game Cyril, the schoolboy robot opponent, used loaded dice and boobytrapped the stepping stones in a race game against the companions. He slipped to his own doom on one of these; a fitting resolution.

  • @AgnesPerditaX
    @AgnesPerditaX 10 месяцев назад +6

    Oh yes! In my opinion RTD really is a genius. He does everything on purpose! And he anticipates the reaction and plays on that as well! And I love it so very much! These three episodes are truly phenomenal. And as for all the "wokeism" as many call it and condemn it - Dr. Who has ALWAYS made social commentaries of its time. Always! And rightly so, in my opinion. :o)

  • @scaleofperspective6211
    @scaleofperspective6211 10 месяцев назад +3

    The UNIT tower is probably tardis-proof, just like the black archive

  • @JAYWALKER1000
    @JAYWALKER1000 10 месяцев назад +3

    You can see Bernard Cribbins in Dalek Invasion of Earth - the 2nd Petere Cushing led Doctor Who movie and he's also in an episode of Fawlty Towers (I think it;'s theone about the food critic). And that's just off the top of my head.

  • @BeginningofDays
    @BeginningofDays 10 месяцев назад +6

    it was a clever way to keep DT in the series... ready for any special, or if ratings dip a bit lol :D Even if they had of kept the linear regeneration, folk would still complain.. so, I think its good move!

  • @YugSihtTsuj
    @YugSihtTsuj 10 месяцев назад +1

    Nada Surf said it best. "Everyone's right and no-one is sorry; that's the start and the end of the story."

  • @SallyLovejoy
    @SallyLovejoy 10 месяцев назад +5

    This is the first time I've seen your videos. Great job! I've watched Doctor Who since I was a little girl of 7 in 1963! I really enjoyed all of these specials.This episode was my favourite episode EVER! I think Ncuti will be an amazing Doctor. I have not felt this excited since Tom Baker became the new Doctor. I think we have some great adventures to look forward to!

  • @baeleth
    @baeleth 10 месяцев назад +3

    My head canon is currently that Tennant's doctor will eventually become The Curator from the 50th anniversary.

  • @MiamiCereal
    @MiamiCereal 10 месяцев назад +4

    I loved the fact tannant's clothes were half on Nchuti and half left on him after the regeneration.

  • @vapoet
    @vapoet 10 месяцев назад +2

    Now we have the Curator, as shown in the 50th anniversary special. As for the retcomming, in two sentences, the entire 60 year pile of plotholes are explained. "I made a jigsaw out of your history. Do you like it?"

  • @bloatus7611
    @bloatus7611 10 месяцев назад +5

    I think one of my favorite parts is the doctor trying to get them on board by explaining that he doesn't follow our rules. What if I told you he does this thing? Does he? No, but if that helps it make sense for you so we can deal with it.

  • @GamesBored
    @GamesBored 10 месяцев назад +2

    In the middle of your reaction. Great job so far

  • @gerstelb
    @gerstelb 10 месяцев назад +9

    I understand that one of the things that they thought of when writing this and casting Ncuti Gatwa was, “Who’s another actor who can keep up with David Tennant?” I think that I’m going to enjoy Ncuti’s Doctor on his own merits, but there was definite synergy with the two of them together; I think they riffed off each other better than Tennant and Matt Smith.

  • @kevingunning7569
    @kevingunning7569 10 месяцев назад

    Best reaction so far! You'll get no dissention from me. Kindest, from your English Cousin across The Pond. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Kevin

    • @BingeBuffoon
      @BingeBuffoon  10 месяцев назад +1

      A late Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well!

  • @Scroteydada
    @Scroteydada 10 месяцев назад +3

    The rules of bi-generation are quite unclear as shown here but I think I get it now.
    1: 14 casting the salt brought what was previously myth, folklore and superstition into reality. I think this is the next "Time War" narrative device to disregard the would be baggage and reset the world of Who.
    2: one of these myths are bi-generation, according to Doctor 15.
    3: "I'm okay because you fix yourself". 15 implies he was yanked from the future because the universe can't have the toymaker running rampant
    4: Tennant came back so The Doctor can do "rehab out of order". He will eventually die from Donna's cooking and become Ncuti - freshly regenerated as opposed to the future version we saw here. This doesn't need to happen on-screen.
    They could've explained this a lot better. Maybe Bernard Cribbins' passing lost us an expositon scene idk.

  • @JAYWALKER1000
    @JAYWALKER1000 10 месяцев назад +2

    Melanie - classic Who companion for the 6th and 7th Doctors

  • @Dr_Rich740
    @Dr_Rich740 10 месяцев назад +3

    My understanding of the idea of bi-generation RTD introduces here is that the 15th Doctor is pulled back in his timeline to this moment but is from the future and has recovered from the trauma of the 14th. In other words at some point the 14th will have recovered and will regenerate into 15, but because of the Toymaker’s intervention, the 15th is pulled back in time to the bigeneration.

  • @jamesbaxter1667
    @jamesbaxter1667 10 месяцев назад

    This was filmed way before the star beast was released

  • @jamesbaxter1667
    @jamesbaxter1667 10 месяцев назад

    Melbwas companion to the 6st and 7th doctors

  • @PandezPanda
    @PandezPanda 10 месяцев назад +2

    Mel travelled with 6th and 7th doctors she was renowned for her scream LOL
    I am still upset David drew and 8 from the deck it should have been a 10 amiright?
    The reason the Toymaker keeps switching up his accent is due to the Doctor "winning" by impersonating their voice back in his original appearance!
    The clothes split so Ncuti got the collared shirt, tie, shoes.... oh and the undies..... which means david is 100% commando after Ncuti appears 🤣

    • @l33tspaniard
      @l33tspaniard 10 месяцев назад

      So of course they managed to squeeze in a Mel scream when she gets tossed by the toymaker 😂 and of course you can’t have Bonnie on cast and not sing

  • @Eskers32
    @Eskers32 10 месяцев назад

    I feel like you might find some things to enjoy from 13's era if you havent seen it!

  • @jamesbaxter1667
    @jamesbaxter1667 10 месяцев назад

    You will have to find the animations of the celestial toymaker cause only episode 4 survives

  • @Cooper_Vision
    @Cooper_Vision 10 месяцев назад

    I mostly agree with your take on woke, if it's used to lift us all up it's wise, when it's used to punch down not so much, as always good reviews, you're good at this Josh happy belated holidays.

    • @BingeBuffoon
      @BingeBuffoon  10 месяцев назад +1

      Belated happy holidays to you as well! Always appreciate the input and support.

  • @mark2graves-movies689
    @mark2graves-movies689 10 месяцев назад

    The library is so great

  • @xLEGITATTIRES
    @xLEGITATTIRES 10 месяцев назад +1

    All I see is Count Olaf

  • @douglasmcclelland
    @douglasmcclelland 10 месяцев назад +2

    I really loved your commentary and after thoughts. I thought they were spot on. Yes there are woke comments and aspects to the episode but people are getting far too angry and upset about it. And yes, I also thought the endings of The Star Beast and The Giggle were too easy..just letting go of the Time Lord power and the simple ball game with The Toymaker having built him into an almost god-like figure…to me it felt like they ran out of screen time. Perhaps if the specials were all 30 minutes longer the could have done more justification to the endings. But am I going off the rails to say Doctor Who is dead…far from it. Doctor Who has always been woke and included modern day issues, it’s nothing new. The stories are still fun and interesting! I think it has a great future, I can see them starting on a spin off or two now that filming of the first 2 seasons of the new series is just about done.

  • @phtevenj
    @phtevenj 10 месяцев назад

    The Toymaker remmonds me of "Q" from Star Trek

  • @mark2graves-movies689
    @mark2graves-movies689 10 месяцев назад

    17:48

  • @markgleahy21399
    @markgleahy21399 10 месяцев назад +2

    Ask questions at the and if you keep asking questions there's no point of the reveal to happen it's gone the moment is gone watch it then ask questions ❓❓❓

  • @Ade2bee
    @Ade2bee 10 месяцев назад

    To be fair, the climate surrounding Doctor Who was created by the writers, the writers have now decided to double down and destroyed Cannon, it’s not a bad adventure still, but it is not the doctor that I grew up with nor that has existed for 60 years

    • @BingeBuffoon
      @BingeBuffoon  10 месяцев назад

      The writers have definitely played a role.

  • @mark2graves-movies689
    @mark2graves-movies689 10 месяцев назад

    1:07 😂😂😂😐😞😭😭😭

  • @arnothill
    @arnothill 8 месяцев назад

    Binge, please don’t join with anti-woke rhetoric too much. I don’t think an overt declaration of kindness - in what is primarily a children friendly show, is a problem. The weaponisation of woke is deeply problematic. Since when did we find it offensive to see a minority portrayed as a sympathetic character - and yes having it front and centre? What is the issue, really? Think of Twelve’s plea to The Master and Missy - to just be kind... or if a story does not stigmatise a disabled group. This is a fantasy sci-fi show, and anything is possible, yet the chat online is filled with hatred if an alien humanoid turns out not to be straight, white, and male. Same with companions or passing characters. Please be aware that RTD has declared that he will make the Whoniverse a place where these intolerant and narrow minded commentaries do not dictate casting, narratives etc.
    This is not new in Who. check out a classic Doctor story from the 60’s - the Tenth Planet, where a black actor was cast as an American astronaut - in the 60’s! This future set episode was as woke as they come. While I’m on this, The first Doctor visited a night club too, and the ninth flirted with Jack... in between there were plenty encounters with aliens who were not gendered at all. have you considered the gender of the Daleks?
    Anyway, I look forward to viewing more of your critiques.
    I am writing to you from Scotland, where we have the right to roam "over hill and over dale” 🐺🌕💎🔭, free healthcare, university fees paid, and no handguns... OMG!! we are woke! A whole nation of wokery! ... and kilts! I love Scotland.

  • @joshuajoshua2732
    @joshuajoshua2732 10 месяцев назад +3

    My understanding of this is 14 will still regenerate into 15 if you look back the 15th Doctor says "Rehab out of order" which is implies 14 will still become him but will have a longer rest for awhile which makes sense as to why Ncuti's Doctor is a much happier Doctor.
    I liked the episode and I love Ncuti Gatwa's entrance but I have to be honest I'm not particulary a fan of the bi-regeneration because it undermines all the other Doctors and I don't think it's a good idea to introduce your new Doctor with so much baggage of David Tennant because then fans will come up with these ridiculous theories that David Tennant will show up this will be controversial I kind of hope he doesn't because in my opinion it would interfere with Ncuti's time on the show personally I would had rather had preferred David Tennant changed into Ncuti Gatwa rather than the opposite because the Doctor is not the kind of character that settles with families and sticks around , retires and rest also alot of people seem to overlook that the Doctor is not human I hate when they try to humanise the character it also diminishes that all the Doctors are the same person I get annoyed that David Tennant gets the special treatment I don't ever recall Tom Baker getting the special treatment and he's been the Doctor longer than Tennant has for a brand new idea it's nice but I'm hoping they don't make a habit of it when Ncuti's Doctor eventually regenerates because it would get old very quickly.
    You should dip into some Classic Who there are lots of amazing stories.

    • @DarkAnon100
      @DarkAnon100 10 месяцев назад +1

      I don't agree that it diminish anything. The status quo is the same as it was, the only difference is that we have two doctors existing in the same time stream, but otherwise, nothing really changed. Technically speaking, all the versions of the Doctor exist at the same time since he's a time traveller so that really doesnt change anything at all. the 15th Doctor is still the same doctor we know and love, still with all the memories and everything, and as implied, the 14th Doctor will eventually become 15 anyway so, if anything, this Bi-Generation is a closed time loop regeneration. Someone told me a perfect anology, Bi-Generation is like a snake who shead his skin but the skin is alive. The Doctor's body still regenerated, becoming 15, but his old skin, 14, stayed alive. Also, technically speaking, that's not technically the first time the Doctor bi-generated, we just havent seen it happened yet, but Bi-Generation is implied to be how the Valeyard came to be

  • @alanbeaumont4848
    @alanbeaumont4848 10 месяцев назад

    It's not the WOKE (I'm a Buffy fan and that was the mother of all WOKE) it's the non Sci Fi writing and presentation. If you think a super being would fluff a catch, but a Tardis can be cloned by a Toon hammer, then all power to you. But I think I'll leave you to it and go back to watching Sci Fi.

    • @martynnotman3467
      @martynnotman3467 10 месяцев назад +6

      The Toymaker cannot cheat. He HAS to play by the rules and in a game of ball that means human reactions and skill.

    • @alanbeaumont4848
      @alanbeaumont4848 10 месяцев назад

      @@martynnotman3467 In the 1960s original the companions play a game where the opponent Cyril (a psychotic schoolboy robot) both uses loaded dice to win the race and booby traps the stepping stones they are crossing to get to safety (I know, I watched it back then). The Doctor gets to use his non human abilities so the Toymaker could use his. The classic solution is for the Doctor(s) to win with guile (in the 60s he did), but no, they just get lucky.
      On a related note, what game did the UNIT minions lose so that the Toymaker was entitled to slaughter them? In the original the companions had a dance to copy to traverse a room and if they bumped into another couple they would die. Here there is no game and the Toymaker acts out of caprice or vanity.
      This is lazy writing and it eventually devolves into a Toon with no rules. Even Roger Rabbit only had super powers if he was being funny. They could be in the Land of Fiction from The Mind Robber I suppose.
      Here's hoping.