They should have sent espio to fight zik sence he's a ninja and zik is a martial arts master, espio could have learned and developed through fighting him
One interesting issue that will definitely pop up later is "why doesn't Sonic just kill Eggman?" And IDW goes out of their way to give Sonic a philosophy of always giving people second chances so they can change their lives for the better. Which mirrors the time that IDW tried to answer the question of "why doesn't Eggman just kill Sonic when he's not expecting it" that ends up undermining Eggman's entire character in a similar way. Essentially, IDW tries to give answers to questions that probably didn't need to be answered, and creates more problems as a result. It acts off the assumption that Sonic and Eggman could just kill each other at any time, even though Eggman has miraculously survived numerous fights with Sonic that ended in large explosions, and Sonic has proven to be a hedgehog that's very difficult to kill. The fact of the matter is, Sonic's life doesn't revolve around Eggman, and Eggman's life doesn't revolve around Sonic. Sonic lives in the present and focuses on problems as they appear, so he simply focuses on stopping Eggman and moves on once that's accomplished (and note, this rarely involves the question of "sparing Eggman", as most of these end in large explosions). Eggman is focused on world domination and his schemes rarely focus on Sonic himself. In fact, Eggman would be perfectly content pulling off his schemes without Sonic noticing at all, but Sonic's own proactive nature often results in his involvement. Eggman views Sonic as an obstacle, a nemesis, a worthy adversary, but ultimately Eggman is more focused on his own self, his own ego, and his own genius. These things outweigh his hatred for Sonic. He probably figures that he's intelligent enough to deal with Sonic whenever he arrives, and that he has more important things to focus on (such as schemes, innovation, robot building, fueling his own ego). He'd probably consider the idea of going deliberately out of his way to find and attack Sonic because "I hate that hedgehog" to be utterly beneath him. He's got more important things than Sonic. And that's something IDW seems to have forgotten. It's so focused on trying to logically explain the meta (Sonic and Eggman keep fighting over and over) that it undermines the core personalities of the characters involved. But yeah, I think your criticisms are spot on. Could've had Gemerl stay behind to guard the Master Emerald while Knuckles took on one of the Deadly Six, smh.
The second IDW goes down that route, I'm going to have a lot to say about that. That is ACTUALLY insane. It struggled to even make sense when Eggman explained it, so they also try to flip it and apply it to Soinc? That's amazing actually. I agree that there's no reason to explain that, or even bring it up. That is a comedy talking point, not a serious point of contention that needs to be addressed at any point in the franchise. I agree with everything you just said about Sonic and Eggman. The major problem with this entire franchise is that Eggman is the villain 99.9% of the time. There are other characters they can write, and villains that they can explore, but Sega is hyper-fixated on treating the entire franchise like a massive play where they only have a handful of actors to choose from and one guy to be villain. So true as well. Knuckles is really obsessed with the Master Emerald to the point that only he can have it...yet he's cool with all of Chaos Emerald just being wherever they may be at the time, you'd imagine the two things would go hand in hand. I say it all the time, where is Knuckles' gang of goons who can swap places with him to guard that thing while he's out? Not one single friend wanna help my boy out. Tails don't even wanna create a base around it and have some sort of defensive perimeter? The heroes really gotta up their approach.
@@kotytang If you're committed to seeing this comic through, then I definitely look forward to when you reach that point. It's... pretty whack, and IIRC it only gets worse lol. The focus on Dr. Eggman seems to be overcompensation for when he took a backseat from being the final boss for most games between Adventure and Black Knight. Colors to Forces saw Eggman become the primary antagonist again... at the expense of any other antagonist they introduced during that time. In any case I agree, other antagonists taking center stage from time to time would be neat. IDW Knuckles' being so adamant about protecting the ME also seems to be an overcompensation for when the games completely forgot his role as guardian, even though he clearly has no problem leaving his post when the world is at stake. Him swapping out with some friends to guard it would be a perfect solution to that tbh. It'd actually show how much Knuckles has come to trust his friends despite his stubborn nature lol.
@@someotherstrangerI do plan on seeing this entire comic through, and eventually be up to date with where it is. This could just neatly become a monthly video I upload. I’m really interested in what Evan Stanley is going to bring to the comic. I haven’t really considered the fact that Ian doesn’t write for every arc. A new Sonic writer sounds nice, plus it’s a female writer so it’ll be interesting to see the story she’s trying to tell.
@@kotytang You might find Scrapnik Island interesting then, since it's also written by someone else, a Daniel Barnes. I haven't looked into it very much yet though.
If you think about it even if Starline didn't exist Eggman would've gotten his memories back anyways, because Metal Sonic would just find him eventually and help him get memories back.
Yup, I’ve been pointing that out in these videos ever since Metal Sonic found Eggman, and every time Starline states he got Eggman’s memories back. It’s another constant contradiction where IDW is unaware how they wrote a scene.
@@naganut9718 This is not true. Metal Sonic had no idea where Eggman was to the very end of the Neo Metal Saga. After being fixed up by Tails, Sonic asks him to turn over a new leaf and Metal Sonic declines and they just let him leave. Afterward, Metal Sonic finds Eggman in one of Starline’s hidden labs, and the story never addresses how he got there. At that point the thought of fixing Metal Sonic brought back the memories of who he was to Eggman.
That is a very good question, thanks for asking! The thing with Sonic stories is that they’re very hit or miss. So it’s not even an era it’s more-so select games. I never think any Sonic story is written very well, so “decent” would be correct. So just a few off the top of my head, without really thinking too much into it Sonic Adventure 2 Sonic and the Black Knight Sonic and the Secret Rings Sonic 3 & Knuckles Sonic CD Sonic Unleashed Maybe more, but it would have to be a discussion on what I enjoyed about each.
That’s odd? My viewer retention says that it’s above average, people are watching through the majority of my IDW videos since switching to this more compact style. -briefly summarize the issue so that everybody who has and hasn’t read before can follow along and won’t get confused. Go over some things I want to point out, move onto the next issue and repeat. Can’t please every one I guess. Sorry you don’t like it.
You did a good job of pointing out how stupid the cast is. I don't understand why many people call this "peak writing." But what bothers me most is the way they wrote Sonic like this. I've already warned you that he's going to get worse. Let's say that when you reach issue 50, you'll legitimately HATE him. And it's not getting better after that. What I desperately want an answer to is WHY they wrote him as a morally superior moron who gaslights his friends to win arguments. Some fans defend this abhorrent version of him, stating that Sonic has always redeemed his enemies and saw the good in them. Um...no??? They all forget a key detail when they're referring to Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze, Omega, etc. They were never evil. Shadow was brainwashed into thinking that destroying the earth was Maria's last wish. Eggman tricked Knuckles, Blaze learned not to carry the world on her shoulders, and Omega rebelled for his reasons. Also, why does this version of Sonic beg for Eggman to become a good person? Do you think an emotional speech about living a peaceful life will magically change his mind??? Wtf?? Also, WHY does Sonic want to give Eggman, a maniacal, evil, narcissistic scientist, a second chance and redeem himself? Do we need to reiterate all the bad-shit-insane stuff he's done to the world? Some people can be redeemed, but when you cross this red line once, and you reach the point of no return. Some people can never be redeemed and never be forgiven. This version of Sonic constantly disregards his FRIENDS' health, safety, and FEELINGS because Eggman's freedom and chance of redemption are more important. I REALLY want to know who is directly responsible for this awful characterization because it caused another stupid debate within the Sonic community. I'm glad you're pointing out all the flaws in this comic, and I'm curious what story you would've written if you were a writer.
First off thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I’m excited for the next few Saga’s, I’ve heard great things about Evan Stanley, and every time I see Surge I think she looks awesome. You’re correct, Sonic does not go out of his way to redeem anybody, in all of those instances it was just happenstance. Sonic didn’t make it a point for anybody to be good. I will say that Sonic inspires change in a variety of people, but he doesn’t do this intentionally, he just has very attractive personality that draws people in and they end up learning something from him. Blaze and Elise both being a great examples of this. I also agree that Eggman can never truly be redeemed. Maybe Sonic would allow it, but even if he does I can’t imagine anybody else ever agreeing with Sonic on that point no matter what he says or what they do. I’m on Shadow and Espio’s side for locking away Eggman forever, or flat out killing him. - If I wrote the metal virus it would be a lot different, and I wouldn’t once think to put the Deadly Six in there.
@@kotytang You're welcome! Yeah, I'm not a fan of Evan. I saw her upload the pages of Ghosts of the Future back in the day, but I never liked it. I don't hate people who like this comic or characters, but the damage has already been done for me. I also wonder how long it will last since IDW is losing money. Sonics's personality is inspiring; many learn from him, including me. He shares life advice and inspiring quotes that helped me personally. The writers think they are showing this trait of his, but they are sadly mistaken. And cool, it's interesting to know an alternate version of this arc. The writers want this arc to be about Sonic learning his lesson and never letting something like this happen again, but if I could rewrite this, I would remove that. Because... Well, you'll see it when you read it. Keep up the good work!
Ok, how do you hate him exactly? Sonic IDW tackles his more heroic side of his growth over the last 30 years of his character. He doesn't see someone as good or evil nor does he want eggman dead. He sees Surge as a troubled individual who have her own complications, not as a villain. He's flawed, but this is more so tackling that heroic side of him, since we already have Archie and other comics tackling his flaw as a character. I don't really get what you're saying lol
@@Zavraan Mmm, It’s not fair in the slightest to hold somebody accountable for the bad writing that they did years ago, much less over 17 years ago in Evan’s case. Even just one year is a massive change for any writer to go through if they’ve been practicing their craft. In 2007 when Evan Stanley began posting that story she would have been 13. I would be amazed to see a 13 year old with 5 star quality writing. I will say that I haven’t read the fanfic, so I don’t know how long it’s been going on, or if it’s even still ongoing, I just know she started it very young, and she would obviously not be a very good writer at that age. This seems to be the same problem that Ian Flynn ran into for his Other M comic when Ian was 17 years old. Again, very rare to find a prodigy that young, and cringe fanfics are a dime a dozen for just about any writer. -- All comic companies are in a bad place, however Sonic is massive a money maker for them. If IDW holds on to anything in the end it will be Sonic, IDW is fine. -- I appreciate it though! Hope you stick around for the whole adventure, always happy to see what else you have to say.
@@YaBoiPhil ok, how is the comment doesn't takw itself breezy anymore? Hell if anything I saw the comics not really taking itself too seriously at many points. Hell I argued archie does that more
Idw comics. Actually the best Sonic from comics. And it sucks. I said the best because there are some recognizable Sonic traits here and there. Like IDW Sonic is not always goofy (unlike the one from Archie). Sometimes he takes things seriously, in those moments I can see the real Sonic. However is still insufferable especially when he bullies the other into agreeing with him or the second chance bullshit. Not to mention when he bullies Bella. Game Sonic was never a bully. The worst of all is Shadow, he is a moron.
I dunno enough about Archie to really analyze how Sonic is, or isn't in that comic. I only tried reading through them a handful of times as a kid. I'm still on my first journey through the IDW comics, so this is as far as I've gotten. I don't know the details about future moments, or really much about the characters going forward, but I hope you'll still be around by the time I get there and I'll be able to address your comments about Bella and such. I appreciate the comment!
Literally everything this circus clown @alicesacco9329 said about Archie Sonic is completely wrong. Archie Sonic is by far the best version of Sonic, the most strategic & intelligent Sonic in general@@kotytang
I’ll take the hypocrisy call out and losing, I don’t really need Sonic to cry, tbh. They would have to make a ridiculously dark story for that to happen.
Or we could get the REAL Sonic back instead of idw's shitty interpretation. The Sonic from the adventure games and black knight. Remember when Sonic sealed Erazor Jin inside the magic lamp for all eternity for his crimes instead of just letting him go?
I saw the title and im like "oh boy here we go" More people being picky and selective. I enjoyed the metal virus saga. No one came across as stupid to me. I dont know what you're talking about. They DID mess up with shadow but redeemed him afterwards, Shadow questioned his behavior. Buuut im sure its not gonna matter to anyone
Ummmm, so I’ve read the scene. Maybe you can help my thought process; My first impression is that it makes more sense than him cowering toward Chaos, Tails has full mobility and could have easily just flown away, or done anything besides buckle. In issue 29 Tails is infected by the Zombot virus, no matter where he went the Chaos kept chasing him, and finally his best friend Knuckles and his acquaintance Shadow are infected and coming at him. I think it may actually work here simply because Tails is facing the end of his and his friends lives. -while in forces he was just being a lil wuss-
To be honest, it doesn't really matter which Deadly Six the Babylon Rogues fought. All of them can take control of their boards and just make them fall on the zombots. They'd be forced on a hard situation either way. The same goes for Gemerl. Sending Sonic would probably ruin the plan(since SEGA only allows Sonic and other hedgehogs to go Super apparently, with that Super Neo Metal Sonic we've seen on the previous arc only being "supercharged") and Knuckles wouldn't leave the master emerald behind. Honestly, it feels like the writers were forced to compromise with whoever was left. But then again, if Shadow, Vector and Charmy hadn't been turned into zombots by sheer stupidity, this whole problem wouldn't even be a thing. Also I don't think Sonic's "moral superioty" was that odd at this point. I mean, he DID see Eggman as a good guy when he was Mr Tinker, and if Eggman stayed that way, then everything would be chill. Instead, he's stressed running day and night to avoid transforming into a zombot because Eggman couldn't just stay away from his evil doings. I don't think he'd actually keep insisting on Eggman turning good though, by now Sonic's just saying it to annoy Eggman since this all could have been avoided if Eggman stayed good. I do think the whole morality thing gets more problematic later on, but it's hardly without a reason for it since most of it is based on Sonic's past experiences on the games and comics. Although this topic is probably more of a matter of opinion, because this became a heated debate among the readers exactly because there's questionings if that attitude fits or not for Sonic. I've seen arguments against it and in favor of it, and found both sides pretty valid.
So there’s the thing that I don’t understand about the Deadly six; from my understanding, the robots they control require some sort of AI in order for them to actually command them. Every robot they control has a unit like this, and I haven’t seen them order around anything that’s essentially “inanimate”. They can directly control pretty much anything through telekinesis, but not to the extent that they control the robots. And the forceful control doesn’t even seem instant for most of them, the Zeti still have to grab the object. I’d imagine The Babylon Rogues would be able to dodge these tendrils/invisible barriers that come out of the Zeti. I don’t think there’s any instances in Sonic Lost World where the Zeti control an object and just have it do whatever without directly focusing on it. I’d imagine the second the Rogues split up in a fight, any of the Zeti would have a hard time focusing on each one with how fast the Rogues can fly and the abilities they possess. It’s just fighting a guy with telekinesis at that point, in Master Zik’s case you would have to outsmart him, since he can carry a large number of things at once, yet IDW left that bit out, in favor of an instance win. The problem with these last fights is not only that IDW ran out of characters, but it also doesn’t seem, to me, that the Deadly Six were even planned out. It really appears like the writers, out of nowhere, just shoe-horned them in and didn’t plan out any of these fights. So of course IDW have to use who they have left in order to solve this completely unplanned event. (As a side note I’m completely fine with only hedgehogs going super I think the idea of everybody having a form isn’t interesting, and the mystique of hedgehogs is actually an interesting bit of lore that is never explored, my contention is that Amy can’t. Also, any metal character going super through the master emerald is nonsense to me, I discussed this way back in my videos on the Neo Metal Saga as well. The question just becomes; ‘why can’t everybody be supercharged’) -- I can agree with you to an extent on Sonic’s moral superiority…. However, this is not the first time that Sonic has directly confronted somebody on being evil in these comics, especially to Metal Sonic, way back in Issue 12 he tried to make him turn a new leaf as well. Sonic also already hounded Eggman in a very serious manner to give up being bad back in issue 23, when he caught Starline and Eggman at Barricade Town. He was so angry that Eggman was once again a bad guy that he said he had no time for wise-cracks. Now I agree that Sonic was stressed there, but this isn’t the first time, nor is it going to be the last time that Sonic displays this moral superiority. As I say in the video, another instance was in Issue 24 when he argued about reforming people to Espio. I point it out here because it’s becoming a clear constant, and it isn’t a thing Sonic’s joking about. Perhaps the event in this issue wasn’t an egregious time that Sonic spoke on the topic, but it’s a clear pattern that it’s a part of IDW Sonic’s character at this point. In truth, if Sonic has such a huge problem with everybody staying evil, then he needs to stop letting them go, and lock them up. The other alternative is… you know… kill them.
@@kotytang Well, the Deadly Six actually can generate and manipulate magnetic fields, which supposedly gives them the ability to control most technology-based devices and machinery. I do think the boards of the rogues fit that criteria. And I don't really think confusing the deadly six and forcing them to multi-task would solve the problem. They're literally controlling an army of zombots and have their powers amplified by a chaos emerald. In normal circumstances though? It could be an interesting way to deal with them. Plus I do think their inclusion on the end of the arc makes sense considering their abilities, but considering how much the metal virus dragged on, I can see why you'd feel like the deadly six were shoehorned at the last minute in it. Also, I'm aware this isn't the first instance of Sonic's morality playing a factor. His discussion with Espio for example was a moment that kinda annoyed me, since that whole conversation was pointless. Espio and the Chaotix left Sonic to decide what should be done with Mr Tinker, and suddenly, after leaving all the responsibility of such decision for Sonic, he wants to blame him. And then we have Sonic, also being firm on his belief that he did what he thought was right, which personally for me is better than he simply cowering and saying "yeah I'm sorry I should have killed Eggman or put him in jail". It wouldn't make sense to do that because he never did any of those things up until this point, even when Eggman broke the planet in pieces, even when he conquered the world and tortured Sonic for months, Sonic still didn't take a more definitive action. Heck, even in an arcade game where he's literally a cop, Sonic still doesn't take Eggman to jail, he just breaks his car and leaves. Either way that whole Sonic/Espio situation felt like the writers wanted to present a bit of drama and show how the situation was making the characters feel pressured to the point of antagonizing each other. But it also felt like it ended up leading nowhere. And Sonic trying to "redeem" Metal Sonic, I can kinda understand why he did it. There have been some Eggman robots in the past that turned good, and even some other characters that were initially hostile also turned a new leaf and became allies to Sonic, so one can assume he expected the same to happen with Metal. That doesn't mean Sonic wasn't a complete idiot though. He was flat out told by Neo Metal that Eggman reprogrammed him so he wouldn't rebel like he did in Heroes. The least Sonic could have done before even attempting that is ask Tails to tweak Metal's programming a bit so he could be good. That's how Gemerl turned good after all. That being said I'm glad Eggman actually called him out on this issue for thinking Metal Sonic would magically change his ways.
@@AtomicoMacaco You’re correct on the Deadly Six’s ability, that’s the telekinesis I was talking about. What I mean by control is by them giving something direct commands to do anything, not just making it move up down, and side to side. The magnetic field works perfectly on AI as a robot can be told exactly what to do, however, the Zeti still have to focus on what they’re moving if it doesn’t have AI, and even then, only Master Zik was shown to be capable of manipulating a large amount of things at once, even though it was only a bunch of small-large fruit shaped things. I also agree that the Zeti can grab the boards, the problem is that they need to be focusing on how they’re moving the boards for anything to actually happen with them. At worst the Zeti could possibly disable them. It sounds to me like the Babylon Rogues wouldn’t work very well against the Deadly Six either if that’s the case. Definitely something I didn’t consider and need to look more into, probably because I was so blinded and baffled by Gemerl being sent to Zeena. The Deadly Six also did not use the Zombots in any meaningful way besides make them a sea for people to fall/be thrown into. So they really weren’t doing anything the heroes had to worry about in a general combat sense, they really just had to focus on the Deadly Six’s powers. If I HAD to put the Zeti in, then the Deadly Six wouldn’t be a last minute villain, and they would be a lot more powerful than they appear to be in these comics, especially thanks to emeralds. (These are thoughts I’ve been writing down for my full review of the saga.) if it were up to me, the Zeti wouldn’t even be considered. -- As I said in the video, I agree that the Deadly Six’s powers directly line up with The Metal virus… however while it may have slogged on for people as it released since it only came out monthly, I have every issue right in front of me, so it goes by very fast in comparison. Even when just looking at it with how many issues they have, the Metal Virus Saga begins on issue 13, the deadly six arrive on the scene in issue 25, with only 5 issues of valid screen-time, and then IDW wraps up the saga in 2 1/2 issues without them. No matter how you split it, The deadly six are villains that just pop up and end the saga, they don’t have any narrative purpose aside from making things worse for the cast. You might as well just throw in the Egg Fleet, throw in Mimic, bring in Light Gaia and Dark Gaia, etc etc. they all have no actual weight in the story, except for maybe one minor connection to someone, or something. If you are going to have a final villain it needs to have a presence and build up, the Deadly Six are presented and then they show up and destroy the world. Granted, it is the PERFECT setting for them, but that isn’t a story, that detracts from every bit of drama we’ve been on since then for the entire cast to suddenly team up, and then immediately start their vendetta back up when that quick event ends. -- I agree with your take on the Espio-Sonic argument, I even reciprocated some of the same ideas when I got to that scene. My take on the scene was that Sonic is strawmanning and gas-lighting Espio though, since Espio was not making the point that Sonic was at all. I agree that Sonic’s decision to not jail Mr Tinker is morally fine, I don’t agree that Sonic argued his point correctly, or even in good faith. All he had to do was say he thought it was right rather than what he actually did end up saying. I do agree that it led to nowhere. In reality I think that Espio’s entire view of Sonic should have shifted based on that exchange, but obviously, they’re just best bros right after again. In Sonic Forces Sonic wasn’t tortured by Eggman, That’s a mistranslation/intentional change. I wouldn’t throw out any non-canon arcade game to prove a point either. But I get what you’re saying, and again I agree that Sonic wouldn’t shackle people to jail. As I say in this video Sonic is more likely to say “better luck next time” rather than lock somebody up. -- As for your final point, again I fully understand where the idea of Sonic reforming people comes from. Sonic has just shown time and time again that he doesn’t go out of his way to do this, and he’s never expected they would, he always expects villains to try again, and if they don’t, then awesome, if not then it is what it is.
@@kotytang Oh, my mistake then. You said telekinesis so I just assumed you misunderstood how their power works. And yeah, I'm aware about the whole torturing thing only being a translation thing and that it isn't a thing on the japanese version of Forces, but as far as I know it was never disproven to be canon for the american version. They did implement that and the whole 6 months timeskip thing, it feels a bit odd to just act like that never happened without it being properly addressed by anyone involved on the writing team. I added the arcade game mention more as a joke and slight emphasis on how he's usually depicted, but I think you can see my point with the other examples I gave prior to this one lol As for the whole Sonic reforming villains, I was mostly recognizing that, although it makes sense for Sonic to actually give second chances, he also hasn't been very smart on how he approaches his enemies on the matter. I believe you're already aware this will happen again in the comic in some other circumstances. And it's mostly something like "yeah I'd prefer if you turned good since I've seen examples of people reforming in the past, but I'm also willing to keep on fighting if that's your thing". He won't go full Steven Universe and constantly try to talk his enemies out of a fight, but will make sure to mention they could start over in a friendly fashion, which I guess it fits with your interpretation on how he should act(?), however I still think it's possible for you to be somewhat annoyed by how that's executed.
@@kotytang doesn't the Zombot do have AI? From what I've seen they're not just a mere virus. And about that part, Sonic himself said he should've tightened up the security better in order to prevent something like this from happening. His whole point is that now Eggman is (while in amnesia) reformed, its seems unfair to him to be imprisoned him for what his previous self did, especially in the context of him being a character that prefers freedom. In fact, the whole point of "he should've been locked up" can apply to many of the games and even comics.
Man has no idea who I even am, has never seen my videos. Is a tourist from twitter, obviously got his opinion of me from some random guy; has no idea why he’s even mad at me. Sounds about right, welcome to the channel buddy.
They should have sent espio to fight zik sence he's a ninja and zik is a martial arts master, espio could have learned and developed through fighting him
Storm knew better than to hit the zombots, but Shadow didn't. Wow.
One interesting issue that will definitely pop up later is "why doesn't Sonic just kill Eggman?" And IDW goes out of their way to give Sonic a philosophy of always giving people second chances so they can change their lives for the better.
Which mirrors the time that IDW tried to answer the question of "why doesn't Eggman just kill Sonic when he's not expecting it" that ends up undermining Eggman's entire character in a similar way.
Essentially, IDW tries to give answers to questions that probably didn't need to be answered, and creates more problems as a result.
It acts off the assumption that Sonic and Eggman could just kill each other at any time, even though Eggman has miraculously survived numerous fights with Sonic that ended in large explosions, and Sonic has proven to be a hedgehog that's very difficult to kill.
The fact of the matter is, Sonic's life doesn't revolve around Eggman, and Eggman's life doesn't revolve around Sonic. Sonic lives in the present and focuses on problems as they appear, so he simply focuses on stopping Eggman and moves on once that's accomplished (and note, this rarely involves the question of "sparing Eggman", as most of these end in large explosions).
Eggman is focused on world domination and his schemes rarely focus on Sonic himself. In fact, Eggman would be perfectly content pulling off his schemes without Sonic noticing at all, but Sonic's own proactive nature often results in his involvement. Eggman views Sonic as an obstacle, a nemesis, a worthy adversary, but ultimately Eggman is more focused on his own self, his own ego, and his own genius. These things outweigh his hatred for Sonic. He probably figures that he's intelligent enough to deal with Sonic whenever he arrives, and that he has more important things to focus on (such as schemes, innovation, robot building, fueling his own ego). He'd probably consider the idea of going deliberately out of his way to find and attack Sonic because "I hate that hedgehog" to be utterly beneath him. He's got more important things than Sonic.
And that's something IDW seems to have forgotten. It's so focused on trying to logically explain the meta (Sonic and Eggman keep fighting over and over) that it undermines the core personalities of the characters involved.
But yeah, I think your criticisms are spot on. Could've had Gemerl stay behind to guard the Master Emerald while Knuckles took on one of the Deadly Six, smh.
The second IDW goes down that route, I'm going to have a lot to say about that. That is ACTUALLY insane. It struggled to even make sense when Eggman explained it, so they also try to flip it and apply it to Soinc? That's amazing actually. I agree that there's no reason to explain that, or even bring it up. That is a comedy talking point, not a serious point of contention that needs to be addressed at any point in the franchise.
I agree with everything you just said about Sonic and Eggman. The major problem with this entire franchise is that Eggman is the villain 99.9% of the time. There are other characters they can write, and villains that they can explore, but Sega is hyper-fixated on treating the entire franchise like a massive play where they only have a handful of actors to choose from and one guy to be villain.
So true as well. Knuckles is really obsessed with the Master Emerald to the point that only he can have it...yet he's cool with all of Chaos Emerald just being wherever they may be at the time, you'd imagine the two things would go hand in hand.
I say it all the time, where is Knuckles' gang of goons who can swap places with him to guard that thing while he's out? Not one single friend wanna help my boy out. Tails don't even wanna create a base around it and have some sort of defensive perimeter? The heroes really gotta up their approach.
@@kotytang If you're committed to seeing this comic through, then I definitely look forward to when you reach that point. It's... pretty whack, and IIRC it only gets worse lol.
The focus on Dr. Eggman seems to be overcompensation for when he took a backseat from being the final boss for most games between Adventure and Black Knight. Colors to Forces saw Eggman become the primary antagonist again... at the expense of any other antagonist they introduced during that time. In any case I agree, other antagonists taking center stage from time to time would be neat.
IDW Knuckles' being so adamant about protecting the ME also seems to be an overcompensation for when the games completely forgot his role as guardian, even though he clearly has no problem leaving his post when the world is at stake. Him swapping out with some friends to guard it would be a perfect solution to that tbh. It'd actually show how much Knuckles has come to trust his friends despite his stubborn nature lol.
@@someotherstrangerI do plan on seeing this entire comic through, and eventually be up to date with where it is. This could just neatly become a monthly video I upload.
I’m really interested in what Evan Stanley is going to bring to the comic. I haven’t really considered the fact that Ian doesn’t write for every arc. A new Sonic writer sounds nice, plus it’s a female writer so it’ll be interesting to see the story she’s trying to tell.
@@kotytang You might find Scrapnik Island interesting then, since it's also written by someone else, a Daniel Barnes. I haven't looked into it very much yet though.
One ideal i saw that starline has burns on the hand that have the glove
I like how they keep saying it was Starline who made Eggman's memories come back, but it was actually Metal Sonic who made that happen.
If you think about it even if Starline didn't exist Eggman would've gotten his memories back anyways, because Metal Sonic would just find him eventually and help him get memories back.
Yup, I’ve been pointing that out in these videos ever since Metal Sonic found Eggman, and every time Starline states he got Eggman’s memories back. It’s another constant contradiction where IDW is unaware how they wrote a scene.
Starline is the main reason why he's encountered Metal Sonic tho?
@@naganut9718 This is not true.
Metal Sonic had no idea where Eggman was to the very end of the Neo Metal Saga. After being fixed up by Tails, Sonic asks him to turn over a new leaf and Metal Sonic declines and they just let him leave. Afterward, Metal Sonic finds Eggman in one of Starline’s hidden labs, and the story never addresses how he got there.
At that point the thought of fixing Metal Sonic brought back the memories of who he was to Eggman.
@@kotytang wasn't he the reason eggman was there in the first place?
When was the last time Sonic had good or at least decent writing in your opinion?
That is a very good question, thanks for asking!
The thing with Sonic stories is that they’re very hit or miss. So it’s not even an era it’s more-so select games. I never think any Sonic story is written very well, so “decent” would be correct.
So just a few off the top of my head, without really thinking too much into it
Sonic Adventure 2
Sonic and the Black Knight
Sonic and the Secret Rings
Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Sonic CD
Sonic Unleashed
Maybe more, but it would have to be a discussion on what I enjoyed about each.
Ugh this pacing is awful just saying that and *Not* anymore
That’s odd? My viewer retention says that it’s above average, people are watching through the majority of my IDW videos since switching to this more compact style.
-briefly summarize the issue so that everybody who has and hasn’t read before can follow along and won’t get confused. Go over some things I want to point out, move onto the next issue and repeat.
Can’t please every one I guess. Sorry you don’t like it.
@@kotytang oh no I was referring to the Comics pacing should've worded myself better there
Don't really see the pacing being awful myself. I say it's fine, there's comics with worse pacing I've seen
@@lazwardazure716 All good, just a misunderstanding.
You did a good job of pointing out how stupid the cast is. I don't understand why many people call this "peak writing."
But what bothers me most is the way they wrote Sonic like this. I've already warned you that he's going to get worse. Let's say that when you reach issue 50, you'll legitimately HATE him. And it's not getting better after that.
What I desperately want an answer to is WHY they wrote him as a morally superior moron who gaslights his friends to win arguments.
Some fans defend this abhorrent version of him, stating that Sonic has always redeemed his enemies and saw the good in them.
Um...no??? They all forget a key detail when they're referring to Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze, Omega, etc. They were never evil. Shadow was brainwashed into thinking that destroying the earth was Maria's last wish. Eggman tricked Knuckles, Blaze learned not to carry the world on her shoulders, and Omega rebelled for his reasons.
Also, why does this version of Sonic beg for Eggman to become a good person? Do you think an emotional speech about living a peaceful life will magically change his mind??? Wtf?? Also, WHY does Sonic want to give Eggman, a maniacal, evil, narcissistic scientist, a second chance and redeem himself? Do we need to reiterate all the bad-shit-insane stuff he's done to the world? Some people can be redeemed, but when you cross this red line once, and you reach the point of no return. Some people can never be redeemed and never be forgiven. This version of Sonic constantly disregards his FRIENDS' health, safety, and FEELINGS because Eggman's freedom and chance of redemption are more important. I REALLY want to know who is directly responsible for this awful characterization because it caused another stupid debate within the Sonic community.
I'm glad you're pointing out all the flaws in this comic, and I'm curious what story you would've written if you were a writer.
First off thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
I’m excited for the next few Saga’s, I’ve heard great things about Evan Stanley, and every time I see Surge I think she looks awesome.
You’re correct, Sonic does not go out of his way to redeem anybody, in all of those instances it was just happenstance. Sonic didn’t make it a point for anybody to be good. I will say that Sonic inspires change in a variety of people, but he doesn’t do this intentionally, he just has very attractive personality that draws people in and they end up learning something from him. Blaze and Elise both being a great examples of this.
I also agree that Eggman can never truly be redeemed. Maybe Sonic would allow it, but even if he does I can’t imagine anybody else ever agreeing with Sonic on that point no matter what he says or what they do. I’m on Shadow and Espio’s side for locking away Eggman forever, or flat out killing him.
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If I wrote the metal virus it would be a lot different, and I wouldn’t once think to put the Deadly Six in there.
@@kotytang
You're welcome!
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Evan. I saw her upload the pages of Ghosts of the Future back in the day, but I never liked it.
I don't hate people who like this comic or characters, but the damage has already been done for me. I also wonder how long it will last since IDW is losing money.
Sonics's personality is inspiring; many learn from him, including me. He shares life advice and inspiring quotes that helped me personally. The writers think they are showing this trait of his, but they are sadly mistaken.
And cool, it's interesting to know an alternate version of this arc. The writers want this arc to be about Sonic learning his lesson and never letting something like this happen again, but if I could rewrite this, I would remove that. Because...
Well, you'll see it when you read it.
Keep up the good work!
Ok, how do you hate him exactly? Sonic IDW tackles his more heroic side of his growth over the last 30 years of his character. He doesn't see someone as good or evil nor does he want eggman dead. He sees Surge as a troubled individual who have her own complications, not as a villain. He's flawed, but this is more so tackling that heroic side of him, since we already have Archie and other comics tackling his flaw as a character. I don't really get what you're saying lol
@@Zavraan Mmm, It’s not fair in the slightest to hold somebody accountable for the bad writing that they did years ago, much less over 17 years ago in Evan’s case. Even just one year is a massive change for any writer to go through if they’ve been practicing their craft. In 2007 when Evan Stanley began posting that story she would have been 13. I would be amazed to see a 13 year old with 5 star quality writing.
I will say that I haven’t read the fanfic, so I don’t know how long it’s been going on, or if it’s even still ongoing, I just know she started it very young, and she would obviously not be a very good writer at that age.
This seems to be the same problem that Ian Flynn ran into for his Other M comic when Ian was 17 years old. Again, very rare to find a prodigy that young, and cringe fanfics are a dime a dozen for just about any writer.
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All comic companies are in a bad place, however Sonic is massive a money maker for them. If IDW holds on to anything in the end it will be Sonic, IDW is fine.
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I appreciate it though! Hope you stick around for the whole adventure, always happy to see what else you have to say.
@@YaBoiPhil ok, how is the comment doesn't takw itself breezy anymore? Hell if anything I saw the comics not really taking itself too seriously at many points. Hell I argued archie does that more
Idw comics. Actually the best Sonic from comics. And it sucks. I said the best because there are some recognizable Sonic traits here and there. Like IDW Sonic is not always goofy (unlike the one from Archie). Sometimes he takes things seriously, in those moments I can see the real Sonic. However is still insufferable especially when he bullies the other into agreeing with him or the second chance bullshit. Not to mention when he bullies Bella. Game Sonic was never a bully.
The worst of all is Shadow, he is a moron.
I dunno enough about Archie to really analyze how Sonic is, or isn't in that comic. I only tried reading through them a handful of times as a kid.
I'm still on my first journey through the IDW comics, so this is as far as I've gotten. I don't know the details about future moments, or really much about the characters going forward, but I hope you'll still be around by the time I get there and I'll be able to address your comments about Bella and such. I appreciate the comment!
Literally everything this circus clown @alicesacco9329 said about Archie Sonic is completely wrong. Archie Sonic is by far the best version of Sonic, the most strategic & intelligent Sonic in general@@kotytang
@alicesacco9329 So you are a complete clown who has never read the Archie Sonic Comics at all. Literally everything you said was wrong.
@DemonLordAlastor Tell me more about Archie Sonic
Sonic from STC is the best comic adaptation of Sonic.
Imo it’s goes; STC>Archie>IDW
Can we get a comic just one we’re Sonic loose, cry, or called out on his hypocrisy.
I’ll take the hypocrisy call out and losing, I don’t really need Sonic to cry, tbh. They would have to make a ridiculously dark story for that to happen.
Maybe a little, no never, no.
Or we could get the REAL Sonic back instead of idw's shitty interpretation. The Sonic from the adventure games and black knight. Remember when Sonic sealed Erazor Jin inside the magic lamp for all eternity for his crimes instead of just letting him go?
So be on the lookout
I saw the title and im like "oh boy here we go"
More people being picky and selective. I enjoyed the metal virus saga. No one came across as stupid to me. I dont know what you're talking about. They DID mess up with shadow but redeemed him afterwards, Shadow questioned his behavior. Buuut im sure its not gonna matter to anyone
I can tell you haven’t watched the video.
does anyone care about what this guy thinks? On his reviews because I sure don’t. go watch megabeatman true blue or abuse way more better than him
Nah I sure don't
As we're getting close... how do you feel about Tails in issue 29 cowering at the Zombots?
Ummmm, so I’ve read the scene. Maybe you can help my thought process; My first impression is that it makes more sense than him cowering toward Chaos, Tails has full mobility and could have easily just flown away, or done anything besides buckle.
In issue 29 Tails is infected by the Zombot virus, no matter where he went the Chaos kept chasing him, and finally his best friend Knuckles and his acquaintance Shadow are infected and coming at him.
I think it may actually work here simply because Tails is facing the end of his and his friends lives. -while in forces he was just being a lil wuss-
Not his thought but from what I've seen this one is fine. Unlike forces where he's acting cowardly for no good reason, here its completely justified
I absolutely love the metavirus saga and wish it was a game focus plot
Would definitely be a challenge to translate this into a Sonic game the way Sega makes them.
@@kotytang tru on that because what formula could it be, like open world, 2d classic or boost???? Indeed a challenge
To be honest, it doesn't really matter which Deadly Six the Babylon Rogues fought. All of them can take control of their boards and just make them fall on the zombots. They'd be forced on a hard situation either way. The same goes for Gemerl. Sending Sonic would probably ruin the plan(since SEGA only allows Sonic and other hedgehogs to go Super apparently, with that Super Neo Metal Sonic we've seen on the previous arc only being "supercharged") and Knuckles wouldn't leave the master emerald behind. Honestly, it feels like the writers were forced to compromise with whoever was left. But then again, if Shadow, Vector and Charmy hadn't been turned into zombots by sheer stupidity, this whole problem wouldn't even be a thing.
Also I don't think Sonic's "moral superioty" was that odd at this point. I mean, he DID see Eggman as a good guy when he was Mr Tinker, and if Eggman stayed that way, then everything would be chill. Instead, he's stressed running day and night to avoid transforming into a zombot because Eggman couldn't just stay away from his evil doings. I don't think he'd actually keep insisting on Eggman turning good though, by now Sonic's just saying it to annoy Eggman since this all could have been avoided if Eggman stayed good.
I do think the whole morality thing gets more problematic later on, but it's hardly without a reason for it since most of it is based on Sonic's past experiences on the games and comics. Although this topic is probably more of a matter of opinion, because this became a heated debate among the readers exactly because there's questionings if that attitude fits or not for Sonic. I've seen arguments against it and in favor of it, and found both sides pretty valid.
So there’s the thing that I don’t understand about the Deadly six; from my understanding, the robots they control require some sort of AI in order for them to actually command them. Every robot they control has a unit like this, and I haven’t seen them order around anything that’s essentially “inanimate”. They can directly control pretty much anything through telekinesis, but not to the extent that they control the robots. And the forceful control doesn’t even seem instant for most of them, the Zeti still have to grab the object.
I’d imagine The Babylon Rogues would be able to dodge these tendrils/invisible barriers that come out of the Zeti. I don’t think there’s any instances in Sonic Lost World where the Zeti control an object and just have it do whatever without directly focusing on it. I’d imagine the second the Rogues split up in a fight, any of the Zeti would have a hard time focusing on each one with how fast the Rogues can fly and the abilities they possess. It’s just fighting a guy with telekinesis at that point, in Master Zik’s case you would have to outsmart him, since he can carry a large number of things at once, yet IDW left that bit out, in favor of an instance win.
The problem with these last fights is not only that IDW ran out of characters, but it also doesn’t seem, to me, that the Deadly Six were even planned out. It really appears like the writers, out of nowhere, just shoe-horned them in and didn’t plan out any of these fights. So of course IDW have to use who they have left in order to solve this completely unplanned event. (As a side note I’m completely fine with only hedgehogs going super I think the idea of everybody having a form isn’t interesting, and the mystique of hedgehogs is actually an interesting bit of lore that is never explored, my contention is that Amy can’t.
Also, any metal character going super through the master emerald is nonsense to me, I discussed this way back in my videos on the Neo Metal Saga as well. The question just becomes; ‘why can’t everybody be supercharged’)
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I can agree with you to an extent on Sonic’s moral superiority…. However, this is not the first time that Sonic has directly confronted somebody on being evil in these comics, especially to Metal Sonic, way back in Issue 12 he tried to make him turn a new leaf as well. Sonic also already hounded Eggman in a very serious manner to give up being bad back in issue 23, when he caught Starline and Eggman at Barricade Town. He was so angry that Eggman was once again a bad guy that he said he had no time for wise-cracks. Now I agree that Sonic was stressed there, but this isn’t the first time, nor is it going to be the last time that Sonic displays this moral superiority.
As I say in the video, another instance was in Issue 24 when he argued about reforming people to Espio. I point it out here because it’s becoming a clear constant, and it isn’t a thing Sonic’s joking about. Perhaps the event in this issue wasn’t an egregious time that Sonic spoke on the topic, but it’s a clear pattern that it’s a part of IDW Sonic’s character at this point.
In truth, if Sonic has such a huge problem with everybody staying evil, then he needs to stop letting them go, and lock them up. The other alternative is… you know… kill them.
@@kotytang Well, the Deadly Six actually can generate and manipulate magnetic fields, which supposedly gives them the ability to control most technology-based devices and machinery. I do think the boards of the rogues fit that criteria. And I don't really think confusing the deadly six and forcing them to multi-task would solve the problem. They're literally controlling an army of zombots and have their powers amplified by a chaos emerald. In normal circumstances though? It could be an interesting way to deal with them. Plus I do think their inclusion on the end of the arc makes sense considering their abilities, but considering how much the metal virus dragged on, I can see why you'd feel like the deadly six were shoehorned at the last minute in it.
Also, I'm aware this isn't the first instance of Sonic's morality playing a factor. His discussion with Espio for example was a moment that kinda annoyed me, since that whole conversation was pointless. Espio and the Chaotix left Sonic to decide what should be done with Mr Tinker, and suddenly, after leaving all the responsibility of such decision for Sonic, he wants to blame him. And then we have Sonic, also being firm on his belief that he did what he thought was right, which personally for me is better than he simply cowering and saying "yeah I'm sorry I should have killed Eggman or put him in jail". It wouldn't make sense to do that because he never did any of those things up until this point, even when Eggman broke the planet in pieces, even when he conquered the world and tortured Sonic for months, Sonic still didn't take a more definitive action. Heck, even in an arcade game where he's literally a cop, Sonic still doesn't take Eggman to jail, he just breaks his car and leaves. Either way that whole Sonic/Espio situation felt like the writers wanted to present a bit of drama and show how the situation was making the characters feel pressured to the point of antagonizing each other. But it also felt like it ended up leading nowhere.
And Sonic trying to "redeem" Metal Sonic, I can kinda understand why he did it. There have been some Eggman robots in the past that turned good, and even some other characters that were initially hostile also turned a new leaf and became allies to Sonic, so one can assume he expected the same to happen with Metal. That doesn't mean Sonic wasn't a complete idiot though. He was flat out told by Neo Metal that Eggman reprogrammed him so he wouldn't rebel like he did in Heroes. The least Sonic could have done before even attempting that is ask Tails to tweak Metal's programming a bit so he could be good. That's how Gemerl turned good after all. That being said I'm glad Eggman actually called him out on this issue for thinking Metal Sonic would magically change his ways.
@@AtomicoMacaco You’re correct on the Deadly Six’s ability, that’s the telekinesis I was talking about. What I mean by control is by them giving something direct commands to do anything, not just making it move up down, and side to side. The magnetic field works perfectly on AI as a robot can be told exactly what to do, however, the Zeti still have to focus on what they’re moving if it doesn’t have AI, and even then, only Master Zik was shown to be capable of manipulating a large amount of things at once, even though it was only a bunch of small-large fruit shaped things.
I also agree that the Zeti can grab the boards, the problem is that they need to be focusing on how they’re moving the boards for anything to actually happen with them. At worst the Zeti could possibly disable them. It sounds to me like the Babylon Rogues wouldn’t work very well against the Deadly Six either if that’s the case. Definitely something I didn’t consider and need to look more into, probably because I was so blinded and baffled by Gemerl being sent to Zeena.
The Deadly Six also did not use the Zombots in any meaningful way besides make them a sea for people to fall/be thrown into. So they really weren’t doing anything the heroes had to worry about in a general combat sense, they really just had to focus on the Deadly Six’s powers.
If I HAD to put the Zeti in, then the Deadly Six wouldn’t be a last minute villain, and they would be a lot more powerful than they appear to be in these comics, especially thanks to emeralds. (These are thoughts I’ve been writing down for my full review of the saga.) if it were up to me, the Zeti wouldn’t even be considered.
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As I said in the video, I agree that the Deadly Six’s powers directly line up with The Metal virus… however while it may have slogged on for people as it released since it only came out monthly, I have every issue right in front of me, so it goes by very fast in comparison. Even when just looking at it with how many issues they have, the Metal Virus Saga begins on issue 13, the deadly six arrive on the scene in issue 25, with only 5 issues of valid screen-time, and then IDW wraps up the saga in 2 1/2 issues without them. No matter how you split it, The deadly six are villains that just pop up and end the saga, they don’t have any narrative purpose aside from making things worse for the cast. You might as well just throw in the Egg Fleet, throw in Mimic, bring in Light Gaia and Dark Gaia, etc etc. they all have no actual weight in the story, except for maybe one minor connection to someone, or something. If you are going to have a final villain it needs to have a presence and build up, the Deadly Six are presented and then they show up and destroy the world. Granted, it is the PERFECT setting for them, but that isn’t a story, that detracts from every bit of drama we’ve been on since then for the entire cast to suddenly team up, and then immediately start their vendetta back up when that quick event ends.
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I agree with your take on the Espio-Sonic argument, I even reciprocated some of the same ideas when I got to that scene. My take on the scene was that Sonic is strawmanning and gas-lighting Espio though, since Espio was not making the point that Sonic was at all. I agree that Sonic’s decision to not jail Mr Tinker is morally fine, I don’t agree that Sonic argued his point correctly, or even in good faith. All he had to do was say he thought it was right rather than what he actually did end up saying. I do agree that it led to nowhere. In reality I think that Espio’s entire view of Sonic should have shifted based on that exchange, but obviously, they’re just best bros right after again.
In Sonic Forces Sonic wasn’t tortured by Eggman, That’s a mistranslation/intentional change. I wouldn’t throw out any non-canon arcade game to prove a point either. But I get what you’re saying, and again I agree that Sonic wouldn’t shackle people to jail. As I say in this video Sonic is more likely to say “better luck next time” rather than lock somebody up.
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As for your final point, again I fully understand where the idea of Sonic reforming people comes from. Sonic has just shown time and time again that he doesn’t go out of his way to do this, and he’s never expected they would, he always expects villains to try again, and if they don’t, then awesome, if not then it is what it is.
@@kotytang Oh, my mistake then. You said telekinesis so I just assumed you misunderstood how their power works.
And yeah, I'm aware about the whole torturing thing only being a translation thing and that it isn't a thing on the japanese version of Forces, but as far as I know it was never disproven to be canon for the american version. They did implement that and the whole 6 months timeskip thing, it feels a bit odd to just act like that never happened without it being properly addressed by anyone involved on the writing team. I added the arcade game mention more as a joke and slight emphasis on how he's usually depicted, but I think you can see my point with the other examples I gave prior to this one lol
As for the whole Sonic reforming villains, I was mostly recognizing that, although it makes sense for Sonic to actually give second chances, he also hasn't been very smart on how he approaches his enemies on the matter. I believe you're already aware this will happen again in the comic in some other circumstances. And it's mostly something like "yeah I'd prefer if you turned good since I've seen examples of people reforming in the past, but I'm also willing to keep on fighting if that's your thing". He won't go full Steven Universe and constantly try to talk his enemies out of a fight, but will make sure to mention they could start over in a friendly fashion, which I guess it fits with your interpretation on how he should act(?), however I still think it's possible for you to be somewhat annoyed by how that's executed.
@@kotytang doesn't the Zombot do have AI? From what I've seen they're not just a mere virus. And about that part, Sonic himself said he should've tightened up the security better in order to prevent something like this from happening. His whole point is that now Eggman is (while in amnesia) reformed, its seems unfair to him to be imprisoned him for what his previous self did, especially in the context of him being a character that prefers freedom. In fact, the whole point of "he should've been locked up" can apply to many of the games and even comics.
I heard he’s also been picking fights with other people on Twitter
Man has no idea who I even am, has never seen my videos. Is a tourist from twitter, obviously got his opinion of me from some random guy; has no idea why he’s even mad at me.
Sounds about right, welcome to the channel buddy.
Bro, what... as someone who loved the idw comics - u have horrible taste, my man 💀
Can you point to any specific thing I said that’s wrong?
@@kotytangYou bow bow when pow when bow bow is not gow so when bow bow its yow when it should zow
@@Soul.ResonantSo true.