Shocking Belief Of Many Atheists | Hashim | Speakers Corner
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Hashim is using logic and analogy that is relevant to build his point, the other guy maybe uncomfortable to face his err so deflects that.
In science, there is nothing wrong with saying "I do not know" as that is what leads to questions to trying to find a possible explanation. Just saying "God did it" does not answer anything as it cannot be reliably demonstrated to be true. The big bang theory does not posit that the universe "gave birth to itself" or that it came 'from nothing" but refers to the change from a hot, dense state to a cold, vast state. What is true is that there is not one single shred of evidence to support the veracity of Islam or any other religion.
@@stephendugan7862
Ok but ignoring logic isn't science.
Type writers have input and output Human ceIls have more, clear sign of inteI design.
How did parts of ceIls replicate or communicate to each other to be compatible for million generations, ev0 is faIse.
@@stephendugan7862 Ok but ignoring logic isn't science.
Type writers have input and output Human ceIls have more, clear sign of inteI design.
@@stephendugan7862.
How did parts of ceIls self replicate
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or communicate to each other to be compatible for million generations, ev0 is faIse.
Christian: it's a mystery
Hindu: it doesn't matter
Atheis: I don't know
"And declare, “The truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Indeed, falsehood is bound to vanish.”"
-Qur'an 17:81
"Overwhelming odds that you are just as wrong as..."
What are the odds?
"I don't know "
Allah 😂😂😂
Bro in his own wedding
"Do you accept her as your lawfully wife?"
Bro - I don't know.💀
I don't know ❎
I don't want to know ✅
Atheists and agnostics keep saying "i don't know" in the hope that someday they can prove that universe created itself and is itself a creator. Unfortunately for them that will never happen.
Were does any atheist say the universe created itself?
No atheist says that. I don't know is just an honest answer.
What number am I thinking of right now?
What?! You don't know?
@The_Crab_Whisperer Read more in this by Dawkins and Krauss. Obviously everyone knows that science will never have anything to say on supernatural. So it is always implied that someday our findings will show that universe is itself the creator. This is because there is no third alternative.
@johnhammond6423 Obviously everyone knows that science will never have anything to say on supernatural. So it is always implied that someday our findings will show that universe is itself the creator. This is because there is no third alternative.
@@2050techgeek
_'science will never have anything to say on supernatural'_
Science deals with reality, not make-believe. .
The funniest thing about who adopted this concept of i don't know is my standard that they think they are objectively smarter than who looks for evidence and finds objective answers.
Someone that says we don't know to a question that we don't have an answer to like this atheist here is demonstrably smarter than the Muslim that claims he does have the answer when he does not.
Allah said
فَاسأَلوا أَهلَ الذِّكرِ إِن كُنتُم لا تَعلَمونَ
If you don't know ask people of knowledge or people of message
So, True Muslim don't speak out of ignorance.
You should stop assuming and start asking
You should stop defaulting to i don't know and that's it
And start to default to I don't know so i will ask and seek knowledge from people of knowledge and reliable sources and come to conclusions
Not jumping in to the window of I don't know with a smirky face.
@@johnhammond6423we might not "know" the answer. But it's still a fact that there are 2 choices.
1. An answer that supports the ones that believe
2. And an answer that supports those that don't.
The Atheist who you claim are "smarter" is denying NOT the answer, but the existence OF an answer.
The action of not giving an answer does NOT make you smart.
Let's use this example.
The Sphinx and its riddles.
There are the initial 2
• The one who gives the right answer and passes through
• The one who gives the wrong answer and doesn't pass
BUT both will give an answer nonetheless
YOUR person who doesn't give an answer, will NEVER be "smart nor dumb" because that's it, they NEVER gave an answer. So yeah
@@EnTiDDies
_'But it's still a fact that there are 2 choices'_
To a question we don't have an answer for there is only one answer...we don't know.
This is not rocket science.
_'The action of not giving an answer does NOT make you smart'_
I never claimed to be smart. But saying I don't know to a question that we don't have an answer for is being honest. Unlike religious apologists that claim they do know, which is dishonest.
@@johnhammond6423 dude, if a test made made where you had to choose from 2 cards faced upside down, one is a joker and one is an ace os spades. Then a question pops up that asks "Which one is the joker.
There will be 2 parties, one that chooses the left and one chooses the right. Those are the religion and science. Atheists however, DOES NOT acknowledge the existence of the 2 cards, thus saying "We don't know". Then there's the counter for atheism, one that DOES acknowledge the fact that the 2 cards exist, but DOES NOT join the initial 2 parties in making a choice.
Thus making it the only thing they have in common with Atheists, and that is the fact they they are NEITHER part of religion nor science on this matter.
Also, even if they say "we don't know". That answer in itself falls under the mindset of the Scientific party. Which denies the existence of "A Higher Being". If that's not the case, then they shouldn't have had a counter
Atheists = I don't believe it exists but we don't know which one of you are right.
Theists = I believe it exists, but we don't know which one of you are right.
Even with all the explanations, "Atheists" STILL fall under the confines of being a "Non-Believer" because of the very fact that they "don't know" IF any of the initial parties have the correct idea.
I know I just contradicted myself right there, but the fact still stands. That the Atheists, ARE part of one of the 2 parties representing each of the 2 options ONLY.
Its funny when atheist talking about why universe exist rather nothing say i don't know. But when God is exist or not they instantly say no without evidence of course
That which can be asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
@@goodday512 so you reject gravity good point
@@kazok_ousama Who said I reject gravity?
@@goodday512 what you said if there is no evidence of something reject it I said good point
@@kazok_ousama indeed I did. Now, there is a mountain of evidence of the effects of gravity. even if we can't see it, we can measure the effects of gravity, which is the term we use to describe two items of mass being attracted to each other.
French astronomer Professor Camille Flammarion (1842-1925) once said: "Atheism is too contemptible to claim to be science or reason, or to deserve the name of any ideology! It is too insignificant and too small to have any right to exist!"......... "To escape faith, it takes refuge in abstract speculations and sophisms that it would certainly have discarded if it had submitted them to the judgment of its healthy nature. Likewise, he would have understood that his true feelings and what his imagination dictates are diametrically opposed. If one day we were asked: "Which man lies most to himself? We would say, without any hesitation: It's the atheist!"
Can your mother give birth to herself?
Atheist: i want to show like i’m more intelligent than a religiois person so my answer is i don’t know whether my mother can give birth to herself
It is an answer. It's a truthful answer. What number am I thinking of right now? Do you have to firmly give an answer that you're sure of?
You sit tests on things that you've studied and should know the answers to.
Give birth is just a weird way to phrase it. Don't know why that gets used so much.
Considering the genius of people like hashim no wonder his countries are in a mess
Britain is a mess.
Nobody knows where the universe came from or how life began. Given these things are literally impossible to know, there are 2 options. Either we come up with some story about a God (religion), or we acknowledge there are things we don't know and can't know (atheism). I think the latter is the only honest option!
Wrong, either you affirm that the universe has a beginning and that an infinite source of power initiated it (which aligns with the fundamentals of science as something cannot arise out of nothing), or you choose not to reason and to reject common sense and basic science (atheism).
@@agp4580 Within our universe, as far as we know it, everything that exists has a beginning and everything that happens has a cause. However, there is no way to know and prove if these natural laws also apply to the universe itself.
Furthermore, the assumption that a God created the universe does not solve your problem. If you insist that everything that exists has a beginning, and you also claim God exists, why does God not have a beginning? If you are willing to believe God is infinite and does not have a beginning or a creator, how do you know this might not also apply to the universe?
And finally: let's assume some force or power initiated the big bang and started the universe. How do you know this power is God, let alone the Christian God?
@@mve6182 It has already been proven to apply to the universe, since the big bang had a cause too. If you refuse to accept the idea of causation, then you'll fall into the fallacy of infinite regression.
God created everything, including the very concept of creation. God is not limited to his own laws or restrained by the logic of his creation.
I'm Muslim, not Christian. I can answer your question after setting up the premise of the existence of God first. One step at a time.
@@agp4580 Who says the big bang had a cause? That is not what scientists claim. They say we don't know if the big bang has a cause. So maybe the big bang caused itself, which is not the same as infinite regression, or maybe time is not lineair but some sort of loop, without beginning or ending. Scientists simply don't know!
How do you know the concept of creation was not created by the big bang?
And finally again: if we assume some force or power initiated the big bang and started the universe, how do you know this power is God, let alone the Muslim God?
There's a difference between logic question and scientific question. The question asked here is logic, which you can still quetion and know to a certain degree. What you can't know are the details. It's like saying "I don't know if I have a great-great-great-grandfather" just because I don't know who he is or how he looks like. That's certainly not honesty.
Giving airtime to these puppets are just a waste of time if they come will an ill intention
Religion explained many things that people did not know, until we did. The religious answer was wrong, they just didn’t know yet.
Which explanation in the Quran that we know now but Quran get it wrong?
The main Premise is I don't Know
Religion always plays with words by saying 'I know it is God' while the pray you don't ask them how he created himself and then think they superior.
They hang on I don't know dimissing the word YET. Waste of time!
Making up an answer is even worse than saying “I don’t know” XD
Shame that this guy can't get the idea that "I don't know" is actually the right answer when you don't know.
The universe is not a mother. Inappropriate analogy.
Get good theists!
If I pointed towards a beach and asked two individuals for the precise number of sand grains present there, which one would exhibit greater wisdom-the one who admits, “I don't know, our estimates can only be approximate,” or the one who confidently declares, “7,365,784,995”?
Ok but ignoring logic isn't science.
Type writers have input and output Human ceIls have more, clear sign of inteI design.
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How did parts of ceIls replicate or communicate to each other to be compatible for million generations, ev0 is faIse.
False equivalence. Logic problem vs simple counting problem
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 I'm encouraging a logical approach not asking you to ignore it! Human cells were not designed, they evolved by natural selection. RNA is an example of something much simpler than a cell which can self replicate.
@@mohdfirdausaminddin3919 Counting is a form of logical inference so I can't make sense of your comment. Counting involves the logical principles of ordinality (each number in a count represents a unique position in a sequence, and this sequence follows a logical order), identity (each count represents a distinct unit or quantity that is equal to itself and not to another) and non-contradiction (a number cannot represent two different quantities at the same time).
I dont know😂
Its a matter of perspective. The birth of the universe was the transformation of the universe, just like a fertilized egg eventially might be born as a human baby.
The point we do not know is what originates the universe. Scientist will not claim it came from nothing, but they do not have an idea what the true origin of the universe is.
And then you got the theist, not hindered by any knowledge or having to present any evidence, who just claim "it must be god"
Nope, that don't do.
@@aiya5777 Kiddo, you did not read the book did you? He is not referring to absolute nothing. In his idea Quantum mechanics still needs to exists.
You got exposed kiddo.
Next time, you'd better inform yourself before making yourself ridiculous.
this isnt a test with a known answer. We dont know why or how the big bang started. A universe isnt a mother.
Some people, maybe you included called universe “mother” nature……
@@usopp0021 seriously?
@@aiya5777 no , i did not state that big bang started the universe. big bang is the earliest event known. nobody knows what happened before.
@@aiya5777 i understand your point. But the thing is: the state of current science is not ambigous on this: nobody knows what happened before big bang.
@@aiya5777 yes? i don't disagree. whats your point?
Maybe the universe always existed in some form. Like Energy can not be created or destroyed, but it transforms into matter. This is something we do know. E=mc²
@@Stephen-yw9sn well this is simply not true as we know the universe is finite and definitely had a beginning. If the energy was infinite, we wouldn't be here today.
Well, according to the first law of thermodynamics, energy is infinite. It cannot be created or destroyed in a closed system. The universe came from a singularity, which was infinitely hot, infinitely dense energy, according to the big bang theory. And there was no space or time yet.
No magical god required.
Mountain spews lava on its own.
A star becomes a black hole on its own.
So big bang also can happen on its own.
If Hashim was a police inspector, he wouldn't listen "I don't know" from an innocent man.
a mountain is nothing? and a star is also nothing? lol go back to school!
all of that need energy to happen, does "NOTHING" can create energy?
Sigh... this muslim hasn't got the faintest idea what he talking about.
Its about how you setup the test. For every good answer, one point, for every bad answer deduct one point. For no answer 0 points.
The atheist would be doing far better than the theist pretending to have the answer when he does not.
But in the setup
Correct answer is 1 point
Wrong answer is zero point
I don't know is also zero point
@@Master-wb6hf
Correct answer is +1 point
Wrong answer is -1 point
I don't know is zero point
@@Master-wb6hf This is exactly the problem. Your setup is just your setup. A more honest setup is one when you are punished if you make up answers and present them as fact.
So are you confortable making up answers, even if they are incorrect rather that being honest and say "I don't know"?
@@johnhammond6423 getting zero is still a fail just like wrong answer
@@Wmeester1971 so your setup is not yours?
I mean you said "i don't know" so how do you know which setup it is?
I don't know is no different from wrong answer when the right answer is there, you just refuse to see it
Qur’an Surah Al-'Alaq: verse 1-8
96:1 Read, ˹O Prophet,˺ in the Name of your Lord Who created-
96:2 created humans from a clinging clot.1
96:3 Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous,
96:4 Who taught by the pen-
96:5 taught humanity what they knew not.1
96:6 Most certainly, one exceeds all bounds
96:7 once they think they are self-sufficient.
96:8 ˹But˺ surely to your Lord is the return ˹of all˺.
To atheists out there
You DID pick a side, it's the side that says "neither" party has a valid argument. 😂😂😂
The valid argument when we don't know is to say 'we don't know'.
That is not picking a side, its just being honest as I pointed out in our recent discussion.