At this point of the campaign, Liam had recently lost his mother to cancer, and was doing his best to carry on. He has mentioned that getting the killing blow on Thordak, who killed Vax's mother was a cathartic experience, like he had defeated the cancer that plagued his mother.
The death of Kash really hit me cuz I just didn't expect it. Idk if we can really say spoilers, but Kash dying wasn't in the campaign. As much as this is a refreshing change, I'm gonna miss him 🥺 he was so good in the show, one of my favs
I wonder whether these flashes of inspiration are going to be relevant narratively later on. After issuing the battle orders, Grog said he blacked out for a moment. Maybe it's the thunderlord speaking through him, sort of a divine inspiration. Earthbreaker Groon said that the thunderlord was with them and Grog had already proven his worth as a warrior, so MAYBE?
Yea I totally thought that was a reference to Travis always taking charge when they all start going back and forth and spiraling into “ decision paralysis “.
@@Thinkingmakesitso. at the table, he’s definitely the one to get bored when they are debating the same two decisions over and over and not doing anything. So it’s definitely a nod to the actual game
iirc that actually happened in the campaign. Whenever Grog had a flash of inspiration, a good idea or made a solid plan, he would take psychic damage for thinking too hard
You can hear the pure anger and his grief in that one (very, VERY epic) line. I got literal goosebumps. (And when I watch shows that isn't really a thing that happens to me😂)
@@Fairburne69 Plus depending on the type of Barbarian Grog is (Berserker I think), his damage reduction also applies to fall damage, so yeah if anyone can survive a fall it's definitely Grog. Scanlan tho? He's a Gnome, likely low to middling Con, and a Bard... fall like that would definitely f*ck him up considerably more.
Am I the only one who actually gets upset when Thordak dies? Not because the character was someone I liked, but because from here on there is no more Lance Reddick performance from the series. It's the one thing I really wasn't looking forward to. RIP
In the campaign, Keyleth never trusted Raishan and she (and Vax) unilaterally broke their alliance with Raishan the moment Thordak was out of the picture, which made it less cut and dry whether she was going to betray them or not; here her ill intent is more clear and Keyleth gets to be more rational and reasonable. Like, Raishan has always been sus, but I think the intention is that we are supposed to side with Kiki and not, y'know, the chaotic evil death-lizard.
@user-hs9lq9ue4r - was it? I feel like there was a decision made on their part that tipped the scale, that the lightning was simple collateral damage/unavoidable friendly fire, but up to that point it was on the knife edge between going one way or another. Could be a "Han/Greedo shot first" thing or I just misremembered - it's been a while tbf.
Matt did say on Reddit that it was intentional. But in the context of the story and not in the meta sense it was still vax and keyleth that did the ‘betraying’. Raishan certainly would have if she got the chance though. I don’t know how I feel about what they’ve done with raishan here. Her goal was still to kill thordak and she needed them to help so why would she hinder them with the blocked off passage? Maybe she needed him out of his lair to be able to get the body because: magic? I don’t really know. In the context of keyleth I get where this is coming from, it’s good character development for her to have more trust in her instincts and if raishan didn’t ever do anything against them then she would have nothing to learn.
"Don't get cocky," he said to *Kashaw.* My theory/hope is that Vax will have a chat with the Matron and she'll mention that she never processed Percy's soul, its still on the mortal plane, and that will make a resurrection ritual possible, once they take the gun off of Ripley's BROKEN FUCKING CORPSE.
Now that we know Ripley's backstory, she can finally F-ing DIE. 😂 On a more serious note, I want Vex to give in the finishing blow. (Maybe that gift arrowhead thingy that Percy made for her. (?))
@@easterslice Yennen did say Whitestone is no stranger to loss. Of course in that moment she is talking about them losing Percy, but what if after these tragedies they have done what you say here.
One thing I just noticed: The color of Thordak’s flame in his final attack was blue and white, aka the HOTTEST colors flame can be. Pike literally took the hottest flames imaginable and turned them on a dragon, and did it all without divine intervention. Absolute Queen status achieved.
I was quite surprised as well and was actually a bit upset until I thought about it narratively for this show... SPOILERS FOR CAMPAIGN 1 AHEAD Kashaw and Zahra were two of only a few characters outside of Vox Machina involved in the final Vecna (Whispered One) fight, alongside Arkhan. I'm pretty certain they chose to have Zahra and Kashaw involved in the Thordak fight instead (and killing off Kash), so that way they can focus more on Arkhan when that arc rolls around.
@@shaskusmas let me hope 😭😭 That soul would absolutely deny the Matron's pull until he got to see his family one last time, if circumstances were ideal
I have watched this episode across various reaction channels (because I dont have prime video). Just a thought that maybe Pike throwing the symbol of the everlight away isn't her throwing away her faith, but rather her reliance to it. Every time she heals, she calls on to the everlight, but these past few episode she relied on literally herself.
Raishan was always going to betray. She’s a green dragon, after all. The _Diseased Deceiver._ And I actually like that it only took ONE moment of doubt in Keyleth’s own instincts for her to drop her guard and almost die. And it proves that she was right to never trust her to begin with. And now she’s pissed that Raishan got away, all because she second-guessed herself. So yeah, Raishan is going to be the final boss of Season 3, and I hope it’s Keyleth that finishes her.
I don’t know how I feel about Pike casting her god away. Not to say she shouldn’t have faith in herself, but it seems like this is what Xerxes (and possibly even the Whispered One) wants (remember how effective she was against the Briarwoods using her divine energy?). I wonder if Xerxes or the Whispered One is somehow blocking the Everlight from reaching Pike.
I’m kinda interested. Pike did not get much screen time in the campaign due to her Blindspot duties. So, here she would actually get a storyline (other than the “curse”)
I feel like it’s a good way to show pike might place to much faith in her goddess instead of herself. The powers while divine in nature can’t be used unless pike uses them. It’s her healing her friends and taking on these threats. Maybe the lesson isn’t you don’t need your god but instead you aren’t nothing without your god. In the first season we saw the everlight say any path is righteous if walked with conviction and truth. Maybe there is some truth Pime is still refusing to face like she doesn’t need the everlight to be worthy of power and to help her friends? Idk just spit balling.
In ep 4 she lost the first game, binding herself to Zerxus, the second game was again played for the Vestige with the souls of her friends on the line, it was never stated that it also freed her, and Zerxus is all about rules.
POSSIBLE SPOILERS Since they are changing quite a bit in the show compared to the live game (The kash death was a surprise) what are the chances the whispered one told raishan how to "cure" herself and she does end up becoming a dracolich in the show? I mean i dont mind if they keep to the how it went in the campaign but a guy can dream
Thats not a bad idea though I doubt even as a green dragon being Raishans nature I doubt thta she would have enough of a lower pride to follow the creature
It’s interesting you read it as The Everlight ignoring Pike. I guess it tracks with her warning in the hells, but still it feels off to me. I wonder if something could be blocking Pike from the Everlight (maybe the whispered one amulet she got gifted by Xerxes). I’m just suspicious of her taking advice from a literal devil on her shoulder
Yep Everlight simply doesn't really ignore or stay mad she is the god of redemption. There is def sth else going on with Xerxes/Asmodeus and it is prob that plate armor related.
I mean Zerxus never said the second game was to free Pike from her initial lost. He simply said, "For the Plate of the Dawnmartyr..." I think she is still bound to Zerxus.
They don't call her the Diseased Deceiver for nothing... Kash! Poor boy done dirty, he survived in the campaign! Seems they had to show Vax someone passing on with the Matron. But Thordak falls, technically Vax's kill is the only kill that has the same killer in the show and the table; Vax killed Brimscythe, Vex killed Vorugal and Grog killed Umbrasyl on the table but in the show Grog kills Brimscythe, Vorugal died from Vex/Keyleth's combo and Kima's eye crush but it's mainly Keyleth's thorns that finishes it, and Umbrasyl was killed by Scanlan.
There's plenty of kills that go to the same character in the show. The Rakshasa to Vax, Kiki and the Deuregar, Grog and the Bullette, Vex and the guy hitting on her in Professor Ander's house, Scanlan and that p*ssy, most of Percy's kills, Kiki and the evil trees, Grog and Kevdak, Vox Machina and horses in general, prolly more stuff.
I have a theory, I think that somehow, the whispered one may be the next few episodes. Because so far, the intro to season 3 correlates with everything that's happened so far. Scanlan's daughter issues, Caileth's relationship problems, Percy not wanting to make more weapons, and so on.
Alright. so first of all this was FUCKING AWESOOOOOME. This was everything I wanted and more. though I knew raishan would be rtrray them and I have a few Ideas what she is gonna dow with the corpse what I am currently most concerened and worrie about is Thordaks horde being large enough to ressurect percival and kahs cause I cannot have lord De rolo's death on my mind
Hmm, so in regards to Pike and her 'casting aside her Faith', are we sure she's operating without Divine intervention now? I have a bit of a theory that Xerxes pushed Pike towards apostasy because the Whispered One may have specific designs for Pike... and Pike's the only character that has had direct, albeit brief, interaction with it (back in season 1 during her communion with the Everlight, she met him in that dark dreamscape void she goes to) My personal theory is that the Whispered One somehow made a very subtle connection with her, but her faith in the Everlight kept it from doing anything... then all of a sudden you have Xerxes who goes out of his way to shake her faith while basically telling her to 'put faith in herself'. She's starting to do that, using her blood (likely she has some kind of aaismar or celestial heritage), but her divine power may very well still be coming from a god... but not the god she might think. Also remember that Xerxes gave her 'his symbol' ostensibly to let them get out of Dis... but that wasn't Xerxes symbol at all, nor was it a symbol of Asmodeus/Lord of Torment... it was The Whispered One's symbol (the same one Delilah carved into her skin during her ritual to bring back Sylas in their backstory and to summon the Whispered One during the climax of season 1) The Whispered One (Vecna officially but can't be used due to copyright bs) is a God of undeath and necromancy... but also Secrets and Deception. So wouldn't it be interesting if Pike's arc could be something to do with this? I could, of course, be completely wrong... but it seems odd that only Pike so far has had anything directly to do with The Whispered One thus far
My theory is that Pike is a descendant to a certain character from Downfall, which is why her blood and soul are so special and interesting to Xerkses both as Asmodeus's champion and a disciple of Vecna.
@@VBane That would definitely work to. Either way, given that Pike didn't really get an "arc" in the actual campaign, they definitely seem to be building something, and it's not a coincidence that Pike briefly met The Whispered One, has 'special blood', and was specifically targeted by Xerxes to shake her faith after she was warned by the Everlight that her purity would be used for wicked ends. Regardless of what the actual source of her heritage is... yes that makes her of great interest to The Whispered One and their followers And, as far as I know, Pike never discarded Xerxes "symbol" that he gave her, which again is very obviously the same symbol Delilah used during various rituals. It's not Xerxes' symbol as far as I can tell, and it's certainly not Asmodeus' symbol, and we know Xerxes seems to have become a follower of the Whispered One... so my guess is that because Pike has some kind of access or connection to the plane the Whispered One is trapped in... she'll be the conduit for his return in some fashion... but they had to break her faith in order to make that happen, and now they've successfully done just that with Pike first being willing to set aside her faith for her friends (back in episode 4 where she offered her faith in order to play Xerxes again... he didn't accept it, but he didn't need to because her willingness to give it up was already enough), and now in this episode where she actively tore the Everlight's symbol off and threw it aside... yeah, Pike's still gonna have cleric powers, but my guess is that they'll still be supplied by a god, just a different god... and she'll be led to believe it's all just her own power... Vecna is all about secrets after all, and what better agent than an agent who doesn't even realize what they are?
Honestly my only problem with this episode is Grog's "Fix him" when Scanlan isnt waking up. Travis shouting "FIX HIM" is such an iconic Grog moment. Losing his temper and showing anger at how they weild all kinds of busted magic but can't use it to fix his friend is the best showcase of his character I highly recommend for those who havent watched the original campaign to look for this scene. It's short but extremely powerful (just like our favorite gnome bard)
I still can't believe they killed Kash... That was devastating. I'm also very surprised by the direction they're taking Pike's story. They have a lot of room to work with since she had to miss so much of the campaign, so I can't wait to see what they come up with.
19:30 betray? Ehh. Their shared enemy is dead, the pact over. Its very Kiki to assume that means they are still on the same side. Raishan is in it for Raishan and Vox Machina did their parts and can now be discarded. She is a green dragon, those are the smart scheming type - honestly she has stuck stronger to the pact/stuck herself out more than I expected. There is a cool little detail in the campaign, dont remember which fight but Raishan and VM were in the same battle against one of the other Dragons, Raishan cast chain lighting (a spell jumping between enemies by spellcasters definition - iE friendly fire off) - and HIT VM MEMBERS after the spell bounced off the main target. And I always felt that was a great moment of characterization. In that moment they werent actively enemies, but both sides pretty much knew they would turn against each other after Thordak was gone, so if Raishan could have a plausible deniability moment of hurting a future enemy she would do it. Oops sorry VM magis is magic and that spell is supposed to bounce, what can you do?
With how Ripley got even more scheming and dangerous in TLOVM I kind of really want her and Raishan to meet. Both would try to manipulate the other for her own gains. They could either be the most dangerous team or lethal enemies, depending on how their goals align, but them fencing verbally would be amazingly entertaining.
Guesses ahead . . . . If they make kaylee go see scalan in coma and pike sings her song Scalan made for her and she plays it to him and their magic together makes him awake * - * i'll be drowned in tears, dead and ressurrect
Man, vax yelling out thordak name and kash death scene gave me chills, R.I.P kash. Scanlan hit the ground since grog is a barbarian he could take it but scanlan is not 😢. I took pike throwing her everlight pendant as she’s not throwing it out of losing her faith quite opposite is she is throwing it because she has faith imo
Bro, this episode gave me so many questions!! how are they gonna finish the season?!?! Are Percy and scantlan PERMANENTLY DEAD?!?! How will pike abandoning the Everlight affect her?!?! What is going on?!?!?
It's more about Bard vs Barbarian then it is Gnome vs Goliath. If Scanlan was a barbarian gnome and Grog was a bard goliath it would be Grog in a coma not Scanlan. Hit points in D&D are based on class not race.
Again while I love this show, why did Pike have to throw away the Everlight? Oh wait its because they had to make Pike into a “badass” when she still could have been one with the Everlight.
Is it just me, or does Pike’s mace look silver when they face off against Raishan at the end? After throwing away her Everlight symbol, her magic’s not got the golden hue we’re used to…
Im very sad they kill kash but i get it, diferent from the campaing everbody is fair game specially NPC or PC that arent super important to the story, even Zahra just has some litle appearances play by Matt. dont get me wrong i hope the dont start killing every side character in the show or in the future M9 show, but again make sense to use this character this way
I don't like the ending. Why does Raishan just suddenly go "bwhahaha, turns out I'm evil". She didn't do anything other than take Thordak. She didn't have to "reveal" anything. Even could have just said "I'm taking Thordak to try and cure myself, bye", and no one would care. But instead she has to paint a big target on herself to the people who killed 4 dragons now. I guess she's just really stupid.
She is a Green Dragon they are master schemers, she needed the corpse to become a Dracolich. The big question is who is the Devil the knight in hell was refering to?
I think she realized that Keyleth was still going to be a threat to her. Partially because she knows Keyleth will never forgive her for the people of Pyrah who died. Partially because Keyleth was smart enough not to ever fully trust her. Raishan took a chance to eliminate a future threat. Perhaps, if Keyleth hadn't gone alone to apologize, Raishan would have been more cagey.
At this point of the campaign, Liam had recently lost his mother to cancer, and was doing his best to carry on. He has mentioned that getting the killing blow on Thordak, who killed Vax's mother was a cathartic experience, like he had defeated the cancer that plagued his mother.
Has big "my name is Inigo Montoya" energy. Iykyk.
@@radicaladz "Offer me everything I ask for"
@@radicaladzfor real.
3 episodes of just straight up pain, Percy gone, Scanlan in a coma and Kash is gone. Pain
critical hit on inflicting emotional damage...
The death of Kash really hit me cuz I just didn't expect it. Idk if we can really say spoilers, but Kash dying wasn't in the campaign. As much as this is a refreshing change, I'm gonna miss him 🥺 he was so good in the show, one of my favs
Kash! he wasn't supposed to die D:
love when Travis possess Grog to break up the groups decision paralysis
I wonder whether these flashes of inspiration are going to be relevant narratively later on. After issuing the battle orders, Grog said he blacked out for a moment. Maybe it's the thunderlord speaking through him, sort of a divine inspiration. Earthbreaker Groon said that the thunderlord was with them and Grog had already proven his worth as a warrior, so MAYBE?
@@Stefan-xt5sk I think he was channeling his inner Percy.
Yea I totally thought that was a reference to Travis always taking charge when they all start going back and forth and spiraling into “ decision paralysis “.
@@Thinkingmakesitso. at the table, he’s definitely the one to get bored when they are debating the same two decisions over and over and not doing anything. So it’s definitely a nod to the actual game
R.I.P. Lance Reddick (the voice of Thordak), he's been amazing the last two seasons.
Grog used his brain so much the last couple of episodes i think he took psychic damage
iirc that actually happened in the campaign. Whenever Grog had a flash of inspiration, a good idea or made a solid plan, he would take psychic damage for thinking too hard
@@pabloc8808 i know that's what i was referencing, thanks for caching it
that yell goes so hard: THORDAAAAAK
Liam tapped into his anime VA work for that one
You can hear the pure anger and his grief in that one (very, VERY epic) line. I got literal goosebumps. (And when I watch shows that isn't really a thing that happens to me😂)
I'm guessing she's using "Speak with The Dead" to force him to tell Her, the Cure.
Soul Cage. Query Soul ensures a truthful answer.
Thordak’s death hit me as hard as anything else in this show has, because I realized it’s the final goodbye to Lance for me 😭
13:42 "What even hit him?" The ground hit him! Did you see that bounce at 13:11 he did? I'm amazed he didn't pretzel on impact.
I thought the same thing. Grog survived because he's a barbarian with hit points galore. A damage sponge. Scanlan is not.
@@Fairburne69 Plus depending on the type of Barbarian Grog is (Berserker I think), his damage reduction also applies to fall damage, so yeah if anyone can survive a fall it's definitely Grog.
Scanlan tho? He's a Gnome, likely low to middling Con, and a Bard... fall like that would definitely f*ck him up considerably more.
Am I the only one who actually gets upset when Thordak dies? Not because the character was someone I liked, but because from here on there is no more Lance Reddick performance from the series. It's the one thing I really wasn't looking forward to. RIP
Pike gave Thordak the "Care Bear stare."
We need an alternative audio edit for this.
In the campaign, Keyleth never trusted Raishan and she (and Vax) unilaterally broke their alliance with Raishan the moment Thordak was out of the picture, which made it less cut and dry whether she was going to betray them or not; here her ill intent is more clear and Keyleth gets to be more rational and reasonable. Like, Raishan has always been sus, but I think the intention is that we are supposed to side with Kiki and not, y'know, the chaotic evil death-lizard.
It actually was clear cut in the campaign, Raishan shot first. (Chain lighting hit Vax, or atempted to during the fight)
@user-hs9lq9ue4r - was it? I feel like there was a decision made on their part that tipped the scale, that the lightning was simple collateral damage/unavoidable friendly fire, but up to that point it was on the knife edge between going one way or another. Could be a "Han/Greedo shot first" thing or I just misremembered - it's been a while tbf.
@@radicaladz chain lightning only jumps if the caster wants it to
@@andyenglish4303 - good point.
Matt did say on Reddit that it was intentional. But in the context of the story and not in the meta sense it was still vax and keyleth that did the ‘betraying’. Raishan certainly would have if she got the chance though. I don’t know how I feel about what they’ve done with raishan here. Her goal was still to kill thordak and she needed them to help so why would she hinder them with the blocked off passage? Maybe she needed him out of his lair to be able to get the body because: magic? I don’t really know.
In the context of keyleth I get where this is coming from, it’s good character development for her to have more trust in her instincts and if raishan didn’t ever do anything against them then she would have nothing to learn.
it kills me that this is the last performance we'll ever have from Lance Reddick and the final words were "I shall return"
"Don't get cocky," he said to *Kashaw.*
My theory/hope is that Vax will have a chat with the Matron and she'll mention that she never processed Percy's soul, its still on the mortal plane, and that will make a resurrection ritual possible, once they take the gun off of Ripley's BROKEN FUCKING CORPSE.
Now that we know Ripley's backstory, she can finally F-ing DIE. 😂 On a more serious note, I want Vex to give in the finishing blow. (Maybe that gift arrowhead thingy that Percy made for her. (?))
@@likecat7886 That would be cool!
I'm kind of hoping that Cassandra shows Vax a small shrine to the Matron in Whitestone that is in the final stages of construction. :)
@@easterslice Yennen did say Whitestone is no stranger to loss. Of course in that moment she is talking about them losing Percy, but what if after these tragedies they have done what you say here.
One thing I just noticed:
The color of Thordak’s flame in his final attack was blue and white, aka the HOTTEST colors flame can be. Pike literally took the hottest flames imaginable and turned them on a dragon, and did it all without divine intervention.
Absolute Queen status achieved.
Every single Critter watching Kash's death: 🤯😨
Omn1, your Vox videos get better every season!
Kashaw's death was really surprising, but I guess anyone who doesn't directly affect the story of later arcs or campaigns are free game.
I was quite surprised as well and was actually a bit upset until I thought about it narratively for this show...
SPOILERS FOR CAMPAIGN 1 AHEAD
Kashaw and Zahra were two of only a few characters outside of Vox Machina involved in the final Vecna (Whispered One) fight, alongside Arkhan.
I'm pretty certain they chose to have Zahra and Kashaw involved in the Thordak fight instead (and killing off Kash), so that way they can focus more on Arkhan when that arc rolls around.
The problem is that character is now a Canon DnD character and probably off limits. I actually predict Xerkses taking his place in the story.
@@VBane except Zerxus serves the big V now so why would he help fight them?
I hope the fact that Vax can see the souls passing to the matron's domain means he'll see it didn't happen to a certain someone.
He wasn't there when that certain someone died.
@@shaskusmas let me hope 😭😭 That soul would absolutely deny the Matron's pull until he got to see his family one last time, if circumstances were ideal
@@shaskusmas Orthax has his soul tho, it hasn't passed on
I like to think that Kash softened up that gem for Pike. I want that moment to mean something.
I have watched this episode across various reaction channels (because I dont have prime video). Just a thought that maybe Pike throwing the symbol of the everlight away isn't her throwing away her faith, but rather her reliance to it. Every time she heals, she calls on to the everlight, but these past few episode she relied on literally herself.
Raishan was always going to betray. She’s a green dragon, after all. The _Diseased Deceiver._
And I actually like that it only took ONE moment of doubt in Keyleth’s own instincts for her to drop her guard and almost die. And it proves that she was right to never trust her to begin with. And now she’s pissed that Raishan got away, all because she second-guessed herself.
So yeah, Raishan is going to be the final boss of Season 3, and I hope it’s Keyleth that finishes her.
16:43 SHOT THROUGH THE HEART AND YOU'RE TO BLAME
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Pike is a MONSTAH!!!
I don’t know how I feel about Pike casting her god away. Not to say she shouldn’t have faith in herself, but it seems like this is what Xerxes (and possibly even the Whispered One) wants (remember how effective she was against the Briarwoods using her divine energy?). I wonder if Xerxes or the Whispered One is somehow blocking the Everlight from reaching Pike.
I’m kinda interested. Pike did not get much screen time in the campaign due to her Blindspot duties. So, here she would actually get a storyline (other than the “curse”)
Same
I feel like it’s a good way to show pike might place to much faith in her goddess instead of herself. The powers while divine in nature can’t be used unless pike uses them. It’s her healing her friends and taking on these threats. Maybe the lesson isn’t you don’t need your god but instead you aren’t nothing without your god. In the first season we saw the everlight say any path is righteous if walked with conviction and truth. Maybe there is some truth Pime is still refusing to face like she doesn’t need the everlight to be worthy of power and to help her friends? Idk just spit balling.
In ep 4 she lost the first game, binding herself to Zerxus, the second game was again played for the Vestige with the souls of her friends on the line, it was never stated that it also freed her, and Zerxus is all about rules.
@@richardbrown3055 She said the stakes were "winner takes all", so by definition she should get everything that was wagered.
POSSIBLE SPOILERS
Since they are changing quite a bit in the show compared to the live game (The kash death was a surprise) what are the chances the whispered one told raishan how to "cure" herself and she does end up becoming a dracolich in the show? I mean i dont mind if they keep to the how it went in the campaign but a guy can dream
Anything is possible at this point. I love not knowing what's to come!
I mean, with the Zerxus reveal, I'd say that's a solid theory
Thats not a bad idea though I doubt even as a green dragon being Raishans nature I doubt thta she would have enough of a lower pride to follow the creature
Yeah this makes sense because chroma conclave doesn't really connect to Vecna in the campaign so this can be one of the things they can do.
I hope this is what they do. Mostly because I really want to see a dracolich.
It’s interesting you read it as The Everlight ignoring Pike. I guess it tracks with her warning in the hells, but still it feels off to me. I wonder if something could be blocking Pike from the Everlight (maybe the whispered one amulet she got gifted by Xerxes). I’m just suspicious of her taking advice from a literal devil on her shoulder
Yep Everlight simply doesn't really ignore or stay mad she is the god of redemption. There is def sth else going on with Xerxes/Asmodeus and it is prob that plate armor related.
I mean Zerxus never said the second game was to free Pike from her initial lost. He simply said, "For the Plate of the Dawnmartyr..." I think she is still bound to Zerxus.
They don't call her the Diseased Deceiver for nothing...
Kash! Poor boy done dirty, he survived in the campaign! Seems they had to show Vax someone passing on with the Matron.
But Thordak falls, technically Vax's kill is the only kill that has the same killer in the show and the table; Vax killed Brimscythe, Vex killed Vorugal and Grog killed Umbrasyl on the table but in the show Grog kills Brimscythe, Vorugal died from Vex/Keyleth's combo and Kima's eye crush but it's mainly Keyleth's thorns that finishes it, and Umbrasyl was killed by Scanlan.
There's plenty of kills that go to the same character in the show. The Rakshasa to Vax, Kiki and the Deuregar, Grog and the Bullette, Vex and the guy hitting on her in Professor Ander's house, Scanlan and that p*ssy, most of Percy's kills, Kiki and the evil trees, Grog and Kevdak, Vox Machina and horses in general, prolly more stuff.
@@shaskusmas yes I meant of the Conclave
I have a theory, I think that somehow, the whispered one may be the next few episodes. Because so far, the intro to season 3 correlates with everything that's happened so far. Scanlan's daughter issues, Caileth's relationship problems, Percy not wanting to make more weapons, and so on.
Alright. so first of all
this was FUCKING AWESOOOOOME.
This was everything I wanted and more. though I knew raishan would be rtrray them and I have a few Ideas what she is gonna dow with the corpse what I am currently most concerened and worrie about is Thordaks horde being large enough to ressurect percival and kahs cause I cannot have lord De rolo's death on my mind
the final blows on Thordak by Pike and Vax are absolutely fucking beautiful
In the campaign Grog has had a few moments of clarity/intelligent choices. Every time he did, he took psychic damage from thinking too hard.
Remember when it was all fun and games and romance drama in scanlan's mansion?
This season cooks so much!
Hmm, so in regards to Pike and her 'casting aside her Faith', are we sure she's operating without Divine intervention now? I have a bit of a theory that Xerxes pushed Pike towards apostasy because the Whispered One may have specific designs for Pike... and Pike's the only character that has had direct, albeit brief, interaction with it (back in season 1 during her communion with the Everlight, she met him in that dark dreamscape void she goes to)
My personal theory is that the Whispered One somehow made a very subtle connection with her, but her faith in the Everlight kept it from doing anything... then all of a sudden you have Xerxes who goes out of his way to shake her faith while basically telling her to 'put faith in herself'. She's starting to do that, using her blood (likely she has some kind of aaismar or celestial heritage), but her divine power may very well still be coming from a god... but not the god she might think.
Also remember that Xerxes gave her 'his symbol' ostensibly to let them get out of Dis... but that wasn't Xerxes symbol at all, nor was it a symbol of Asmodeus/Lord of Torment... it was The Whispered One's symbol (the same one Delilah carved into her skin during her ritual to bring back Sylas in their backstory and to summon the Whispered One during the climax of season 1)
The Whispered One (Vecna officially but can't be used due to copyright bs) is a God of undeath and necromancy... but also Secrets and Deception. So wouldn't it be interesting if Pike's arc could be something to do with this?
I could, of course, be completely wrong... but it seems odd that only Pike so far has had anything directly to do with The Whispered One thus far
My theory is that Pike is a descendant to a certain character from Downfall, which is why her blood and soul are so special and interesting to Xerkses both as Asmodeus's champion and a disciple of Vecna.
@@VBane That would definitely work to. Either way, given that Pike didn't really get an "arc" in the actual campaign, they definitely seem to be building something, and it's not a coincidence that Pike briefly met The Whispered One, has 'special blood', and was specifically targeted by Xerxes to shake her faith after she was warned by the Everlight that her purity would be used for wicked ends. Regardless of what the actual source of her heritage is... yes that makes her of great interest to The Whispered One and their followers
And, as far as I know, Pike never discarded Xerxes "symbol" that he gave her, which again is very obviously the same symbol Delilah used during various rituals. It's not Xerxes' symbol as far as I can tell, and it's certainly not Asmodeus' symbol, and we know Xerxes seems to have become a follower of the Whispered One... so my guess is that because Pike has some kind of access or connection to the plane the Whispered One is trapped in... she'll be the conduit for his return in some fashion... but they had to break her faith in order to make that happen, and now they've successfully done just that with Pike first being willing to set aside her faith for her friends (back in episode 4 where she offered her faith in order to play Xerxes again... he didn't accept it, but he didn't need to because her willingness to give it up was already enough), and now in this episode where she actively tore the Everlight's symbol off and threw it aside... yeah, Pike's still gonna have cleric powers, but my guess is that they'll still be supplied by a god, just a different god... and she'll be led to believe it's all just her own power... Vecna is all about secrets after all, and what better agent than an agent who doesn't even realize what they are?
I feel like Raishan was playing both sides, so no matter who came out on top, she would have an out. Very on-brand for her.
RIP Terry Mcginnis
Honestly my only problem with this episode is Grog's "Fix him" when Scanlan isnt waking up. Travis shouting "FIX HIM" is such an iconic Grog moment. Losing his temper and showing anger at how they weild all kinds of busted magic but can't use it to fix his friend is the best showcase of his character
I highly recommend for those who havent watched the original campaign to look for this scene. It's short but extremely powerful (just like our favorite gnome bard)
This episode was awesome so glad this wasn’t the last episode
The FACT that this wasn't the finale, just scares me even more for the ACCUAL finale next week.😅
So is it to naive to hope Kash will be able to come back somehow
best episode of the series yet
I still can't believe they killed Kash... That was devastating.
I'm also very surprised by the direction they're taking Pike's story. They have a lot of room to work with since she had to miss so much of the campaign, so I can't wait to see what they come up with.
Yeah. But leave to Zahra to make it hurt. And count.
Great timing. Just finished the 3x8 reaction. Loved this episode.
19:30 betray? Ehh. Their shared enemy is dead, the pact over. Its very Kiki to assume that means they are still on the same side. Raishan is in it for Raishan and Vox Machina did their parts and can now be discarded. She is a green dragon, those are the smart scheming type - honestly she has stuck stronger to the pact/stuck herself out more than I expected.
There is a cool little detail in the campaign, dont remember which fight but Raishan and VM were in the same battle against one of the other Dragons, Raishan cast chain lighting (a spell jumping between enemies by spellcasters definition - iE friendly fire off) - and HIT VM MEMBERS after the spell bounced off the main target. And I always felt that was a great moment of characterization. In that moment they werent actively enemies, but both sides pretty much knew they would turn against each other after Thordak was gone, so if Raishan could have a plausible deniability moment of hurting a future enemy she would do it. Oops sorry VM magis is magic and that spell is supposed to bounce, what can you do?
With how Ripley got even more scheming and dangerous in TLOVM I kind of really want her and Raishan to meet. Both would try to manipulate the other for her own gains. They could either be the most dangerous team or lethal enemies, depending on how their goals align, but them fencing verbally would be amazingly entertaining.
Guesses ahead
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If they make kaylee go see scalan in coma and pike sings her song Scalan made for her and she plays it to him and their magic together makes him awake * - * i'll be drowned in tears, dead and ressurrect
Man, vax yelling out thordak name and kash death scene gave me chills, R.I.P kash. Scanlan hit the ground since grog is a barbarian he could take it but scanlan is not 😢. I took pike throwing her everlight pendant as she’s not throwing it out of losing her faith quite opposite is she is throwing it because she has faith imo
19:02 another amazing Avatar Easter egg. ☺️
Bro, this episode gave me so many questions!! how are they gonna finish the season?!?! Are Percy and scantlan PERMANENTLY DEAD?!?! How will pike abandoning the Everlight affect her?!?! What is going on?!?!?
One of the best if not the best show on TV.
@@Fairburne69 FOR REAL
Is Raishan turning Thordak into a dracolich or using him to turn herself into one ?
scanlan and grog fell from a high height scanlan is only as gnome
It's more about Bard vs Barbarian then it is Gnome vs Goliath. If Scanlan was a barbarian gnome and Grog was a bard goliath it would be Grog in a coma not Scanlan.
Hit points in D&D are based on class not race.
@@Fairburne69 between Toughness, Stone's Endurance, and a high constitution, if all you did was swap classes bard Grog would probably still be fine.
Again while I love this show, why did Pike have to throw away the Everlight? Oh wait its because they had to make Pike into a “badass” when she still could have been one with the Everlight.
Soooo, Pike. Multiclassing into Paladin or Divine Soul Sorcerer, what's everyone think?
Am I the only one who thought this was the season finale lol?
I wanna mention after Kash enters towards the RAVEN B*tch, the shot after that we only see his Armor laying there, not the body tho or am I tripping ?
Is it just me, or does Pike’s mace look silver when they face off against Raishan at the end? After throwing away her Everlight symbol, her magic’s not got the golden hue we’re used to…
Im very sad they kill kash but i get it, diferent from the campaing everbody is fair game specially NPC or PC that arent super important to the story, even Zahra just has some litle appearances play by Matt. dont get me wrong i hope the dont start killing every side character in the show or in the future M9 show, but again make sense to use this character this way
I don't like the ending. Why does Raishan just suddenly go "bwhahaha, turns out I'm evil". She didn't do anything other than take Thordak. She didn't have to "reveal" anything. Even could have just said "I'm taking Thordak to try and cure myself, bye", and no one would care. But instead she has to paint a big target on herself to the people who killed 4 dragons now. I guess she's just really stupid.
She is a Green Dragon they are master schemers, she needed the corpse to become a Dracolich. The big question is who is the Devil the knight in hell was refering to?
@@ronaldjackson2290 A "master schemer" generally doesn't tell everyone they were scheming.
I think she realized that Keyleth was still going to be a threat to her. Partially because she knows Keyleth will never forgive her for the people of Pyrah who died. Partially because Keyleth was smart enough not to ever fully trust her.
Raishan took a chance to eliminate a future threat. Perhaps, if Keyleth hadn't gone alone to apologize, Raishan would have been more cagey.