At the very least, I think mangle is possessed Mangle is one of the few characters who know Andrew “he here and always watching the one you should not have killed” But in the code they save them sprite says” he was here” implying they are aware of what’s going on also, they’re there the only other animatronic besides golden, Freddy, puppet and Freddy to be moving Also Ar has a fact that they were unable to re-create mangle wall crawling implying that was a unique ability to the mangle that was possessed.
In the minigame where we play as Freddy and we see two more souls on the ground, maybe one ends up possessing mangle and the other is Andrew? If he’s even canon
I think i heard it from ryetoast, being the interpretation that give gifts give life is charlie leading the kids to their bodies to give them back their memories and let them posess their animatronics, but A++ theory! I still question mangle a bit, maybe willy experimented with remnant or they got extra parts from the mci or something (maybe hes the one that initially broke them), but yeah, we never hear of the dci again
They probably only get possessed after night 3, up until that point it's reasonable enough to assume they're just mindlessly walking around and attacking because they really do see you as an endo, it may also be a good explanation as to why they're less aggressive then the old animatronics
@@Sethxiety right? So a theory I had for Fnaf 3, Is that Since, Parts of The Semi possessed Toy animatronics are in that Box, In the office. The remnant Left Goes around manifesting As Hallucinations Formed around The Many Fazbear Decorations. Being Drawn in by either The Puppet's good-ness, Or The agony of Springtrap That keeps him alive. Or mike, who's a Familiar Target, because he looks like his Dad.
@@nihilism4901 yeah. My current interpretation of the phantoms is that they are manifestations of the agony left over from the animatronic shells orchestrated by springtrap.
9:28 I also heard the interpretation that this is Charlie giving the MCI kids their memories back. The spirits at first don’t know they’re dead so they’re unaware so puppet does their best to try and help them remember. She does this by bringing them to the bodies. ( the novel trilogy and the movie show an alternative universe where this doesn’t happen. In those universes they’re completely controlled by William because puppet didn’t exist) The reason why golden Freddy appears at the end because they didn’t need puppet help to remember who they were
Well you could say the puppet is maybe canon in the fnaf movie universe why I say that is because at the credits scene you could say we hear the fnaf 2 save them minigame voice say "come find me" which could mean the puppet is telling mike to come find them because garrett might be possessing them but anyways uh yeah just wanted to let you know that the puppet might be canon in the fnaf movie universe.
I’m like 99.9% positive the Puppet exists in the movies even just based on the way the first one ended (with music box playing over the “come find me). And is almost certainly going to play a very significant role in the second film considering it’s working title/production title is “music box” (not to mention it just being based on FNAF 2 in general)
i think the parts they took from the original animatronics may have haunted them at first, then potentially the dci took over fusing in some way with the MCI spirits (?)(excluding cassidy). great video tho.
@@Jake_102__ idk, i wrote this theory 5 months ago, but something-something agony and more parts used, also, yes all the toys would be partially possessed by 2, maybe the mci went back to possessing the withereds more after the dci, idk.
I think the Toys are possessed by the dead children that are in the mini game, also there’s other channels that have proof, also the Balloon Word mini game of FNAF SB has proof too.
I think it makes sense that they are possessed. Possessed by the kids who died in the fnaf 2 killing incident. In the Save them Minigame, Freddy and the Puppet are already possessed so the fnaf 2 killing incident isn’t the same as the original Missing Kids Incident. By the time we the player play the game, they are already possessed. We can easily infer the fnaf 2 recordings take place in the past since they mention it’s a summer job while it’s currently November. They just reused the recordings so we are post Save Them mini game.
I think they’re possessed bc they have parts from the original location, from like Fred ears or the location that was after dreadbear (bc Fnaf 2 is a prequal to Fnaf 1
this is a perfect theory and video. especially the part where DCI agony creates RWQ, but none of the kids possess any of the toys. the no jumpscare at the end of Save Them is basically confirmation in my opinion.
Wait I just realised it makes no sense- assuming mangle was caused the bite in 1987- why would foxy be out of order between 1991- '93? If mangle committed the bite (which is most likely) and was definitely scrapped with the rest of the toys then why was a now fixed foxy quickly put out of order?
Unrelated and Random but once I was in a FNaF RP and the Freddy randomly went into "Deactivate Sit" mode, and then the Bonnie said "It looks like Freddy just dropped dead. Which reminds me, today's topic is about death!"
I made a theory about that that im going to make a video of later but i believe that they are indeed possesed but not by the mci i believe they are possed by the missing children because if a part of the possed metal goes inside another host animatronic it become possed but it splits the souls of the children we see this in the fourth closet and i think they are also possed because of the eyes and that when they are in the room the lights start flickering just like when the withereds enter the room and we also know they used the old animatronic parts as scraps but i also think that not all of them are possed but the majority are. But they also could be possed by the mci while also being possed by part of a soul of the missing children
Is good to see someone else see the minigames as literal, most RUclipsrs see the second mci as a imaginary recreation to say there's only 5 children mossing.
Though this does make since in the fnaf universe fnaf 2 came before 1 meaning the originals from fnaf 1 shouldn’t of been possessed yet since they get possessed in fnaf 1 so unless the withereds got possessed at the location they came from originally then idk how they could be possessed in turn making the toys possessed bc well as u said they used parts from the withereds
The Save Them Minigame can’t be the MCI or at least not the first one, since Witherd Foxy is Half endo and Mangle is all endo so no one could have been stuffed
lol DCI stands for Dead Children’s Incident. I think shadow Freddy was created from the death of the crying child. Shadow Freddy is the agony of everything he experienced taking form.
Me personally, I think the Toys are partially possessed. Parts of the Withereds were uses to make the Toys, and that's why they're so twitchy. A part of a soul that's detatched from the rest of the soul isn't exactly the friendliest thing to encounter Except maybe Mangle, she's possessed by the kid she bit, ala Fredbear-style (Crying Child possessed Fredbear in the same way lmao)
As much as I believe the toys to be possessed. The problem is that, outside of fnaf 2. Nothing ever mentions more dead kids other than the MCI. Charlotte. Elisabeth and the Crying Child..... they've might as well been redconned into nonexistence..... You know.... It would have been cool if they ended up being used by Afton to create the funtimes after being scrapped. Would have made fnaf 3's good ending actually happen..... and they would have been the ones to burn if pizza sim.
I agree having the toys be the ones used for the Funtimes would've been a better decision. Although I believe they're possessed by the MCI from the withered parts.
my evidence for the toys being possessed is that they try to kill you. i dont think they would do this otherwise. jokes aside, phone guy is meant to be full of crap. he's obviously lying or doesnt know what he's talking about, using corporate speak as a facade to try and keep you calm.
I assume they are possessed by the DCI since through the week of FNaF2, there’s been an investigation going on which means the SAVE THEM Minigame take place atleast a week before the gameplay. This is supported by how the Mangle was moving in the Minigame despite it looking like Night since Withered Freddy is active. Another thing to keep in mind is that it’s the endos that are possessed, not the suits themselves. This is ALSO supported by how Toy Freddy and Toy Chica have Black eyes, we know Toy Chica’s Black eyes are a canon thing since she has them in UCN too.
Honestly the DCI could happen either in the first or second week, there’s points in both of their favours. Yes I know it’s the endos that are possessed. I sometimes might use endos and suits interchangeably 😅
@@Sethxiety the Problem with them using the endo is why would they use it on the Toy Animatronics? The only way I could see them doing that is to just to leave More costumes to the Toys but the Withereds themselves had the Bodies of the MCI and they found them.
@SonZackSSJ9k what else would they use the parts on? Also an assumption I’ve always had was that they found the bodies at some point and disposed of them to hide evidence the murders happened in the pizzeria.
Artificial souls that got created by the puppet as charlie discovered the power of connecting souls to animatronics just like how she did... kinda ( Its not really possible to name every single explanation) Because she manually entered the puppet but why does she have more ability to do what the others can't? My theory is that 1. She has no remnant so she isn't influenced and allows her to tap in to more things 2. She has more remnant than the rest because they have none. Taking this to account the souls she has is just created? No, she just converted them from the old animatronics by splitting imo.
What if the Toy Animatronics have the mimic_1 program inside of them and that’s why they act possessed. They learned it from the Withereds and copied them. Not to mention, they’re the only set of animatronics that get “scrapped” and not destroyed and passed on (ie Withereds > Fnaf 1 gang > funtimes > ennard >molten Freddy etc)
Theory, FNAF 2 is ONLY Charlie as the puppet. There's no 2nd batch of dead kids. FNAF 2's security gaurd is Michael and looking like Afton pissed Charlie off enough to set off the toy animatronics
There’s a minigame in fnaf 2 showing another set of dead kids and the location the kids are dead at isn’t the fnaf 1 location meaning it had to be fnaf 2’s location
I think toy freddy, toy bonnie, and balloon boyis possessed by a boy and toy chica, mangle, and jj are possessed by a girl well mangle is possessed twins 1 boy and 1 girl
Great video man, though I do disagree on the save them kids not possessing the toy animatronics, since I don’t think that Scott planned the whole haunted metal remnant thing, and technically speaking, like the MCI kids only split their souls through melted metal like with the funtimes, or like with the masks of the original animatronics in the fnaf 3 bad ending while they are trapped in the funtimes. I don’t see how parts of the MCI kids can possess the save them kids. Also I don’t think that William didn’t want the save them kids to possess the toy animatronics, I think that would be the opposite since consider that William wanted Abby to be “one of them” with the MCI kids in the movie, he also wanted new souls in the amalgamation from the fourth closet when the MCI kids kidnapped a kid where William would do experiments of him. So like it would make more sense if that happens since William would want to add more members of his “family” with the MCI kids, more kids into their “happiest day” are Freddy’s, where he can also influence them to attack guards and to make more kids like them. As for the jumpscares of the minigames like with the puppet, foxy, and Freddy. I think the jumpscare are put there mainly because the minigames take place in the past with different locations, while save them is more recent with new souls possessing the toy animatronics. And I think that their souls pass on by either them being scrapped at the end of fnaf 2 or when fazbear frights burned down destroying the parts of the toy animatronics. Especially since the story of the games mainly focus on the MCI kids and Charlie. To me, save them possessing the toy animatronics makes more sense since it’s like five dead kids in the new pizzaria, and five new animatronics that are possessed which would be the toy animatronics. But anyways great video man, like your interpretations
Yeah that’s what I mean when Scott may have assumed we would’ve figured out the toys are haunted by the save them kids. Remnant might not have been planned yet but the silver eyes did release in 2015 originally where they discuss how memories could possibly linger which is what remnant is. Also parts of haunted robots can cause the spirits to haunt a new vessel. Andrew haunted the stitchwraith because fetch’s battery pack was added to his endo. The toys being scrapped leading to their souls being freed in them is a head canon of mine if this theory isn’t true. But THANK YOU! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching :D
@@Sethxiety ah I guess fair about the part where Andrew possess the stitchwraith because of the fetch battery, though I mean isn’t that where his main soul resides? Like that’s like a huge part of the fetch animatronic and it’s like its main source? Like fazbear entertainment would be taking small parts from the original animatronics to make the toy animatronics. But anyways, no problem man, can’t wait for your next video
No. No and no. Don't try to over complicate the lore to yourself. Toys are possessed by Save them. And secrets are possessed by go go go. It's simple logic. Same as there was no Williams revenge.
@@Sethxiety I've been pushing a theory for a couple years that helps FNAF 1 fit back into the time line snuggly and cures it's early installment weirdness. There's two halves, the part I'm certain about and the more iffy stretch part. If it's in there cool, if not I hope you hear me out. Let me set the stage with a fact. FNAF 1's location is the ONLY time in the whole series where Guards being murdered at night by animatronics was a regular occurrence. It's easy to forget that as it was the first game in the series, but it's true. FNAF 2's location only ever had 3 guards. The first guy was William and he got out after a Week. Second guy was Jeremy who survived the Nightshift(but probably got his frontal lobe nibbled off on the following Dayshift), and the Third Guy was Fritz who is probably Micheal. There's also some notable revelations here I'll get back to in a minute. FNAF 3, one guard, probably Micheal(though some fringe theorists think it's Henry), they live. FNAF 4, no guards. FNAF SL...this one is actually kind of hard to say, FNAF 6, one guard, Micheal, dies but not because of animatronics. FNAF 2 also establishes via Phone Guy that this is the first time this sort of thing has ever happened. Guard 1's reports were thought of as impossible and it's only during Jeremy's week they start to figure out a theory(the bare endoskeleton thing) and offer up some solutions. This tells us the original location that was open for a bit after the murders either didn't have nightguards(makes sense enough, no big crime, no need) or the Puppet hadn't gotten to them yet. It also tells us Guard fatalities are something they're actively trying to avoid. But in FNAF 1? There's a whole procedure for it. Body removed, property cleaned and bleached, carpets replaced, missing person report within 90 days. A institutional solution for it combined with Phone Guy's "Most people don't last this long" implies MANY guards at this location have come and perished before Micheal arrives in 92/93(doesn't matter, but TLDR 93 has never been proven. Matpat picked it because of the Aurora Chuck E Cheese incident, the tax data said it could be anywhere from 1991-1996, and the Faz Fact that referenced it was cut and might not be canon. But that would have the work week go from Tuesday to Monday which is stupid. Meanwhile in 1992 the November dates line up perfectly with the work week. Minor detail, worth mentioning though). This means that not only have a ton of guards died, but there's a procedure for it, meaning the company is both aware and doesn't care. But why? This isn't hugely profitable 2030s Fazbear entertainment sweeping a few missing kids and staff under the rug, this is 1990s floundering Fazbear. Why waste so much many dealing with dozens of dead guards...unless...gathering dead guards is the goal. Let me ask another question. Who is running the show in the 1990s? Henry is out the timeline from the mid 80s until right before FNAF 6, maybe he's hiding in guilt, heck, I personally buy the theory he was framed(explaining the newspaper clipping saying the suspect was convicted) and spent a couple decades in jail, starting on the FNAF 6 project right after getting out. But even if he was here, Henry would never allow any of this to happen. And I already explained above why the faceless corporate overlord types, or even Miss Afton if you wanna bring that up, wouldn't do this. The profit motive isn't there. The location is a crumbling mess and the cleanup procedure is massive and expensive. That only leaves our boy William Afton, who is alive at this point, was free as recently as 1987, and we have zero evidence he was charged for the DCI/SAVE THEM incident. William Afton was running the FNAF 1 location and funding the cleanups of stuffed, dead, guards. But why? Well, for years the fandom has talked of William doing remnant experiments, soul experiments, maybe even agony experiments. That's how we get the theory the original 5 souls may have ended up in Funtime Freddy and Ballora and eventually in Molten Freddy and The Blob. But would William really have stuck to the same handful of souls, especially as he seemingly didn't want to mess with his daughter? Why not get a larger sample size, recreate the suffering? But kids are too risky to go after, he's done that twice and gotten away by the skin of his teeth. People care about kids, but what about poor working class blokes? Transients? People no one would notice if they suddenly were to vanish. I'm of the belief the FNAF 1 location, Bear themed restaurant and all, is a honey pot. It's a trap. It would certainly explain things like the door design and power supply. Transients, Desperate people, poor workers down on their luck, read a newspaper ad, dead in a few days, stuffed and ready for testing. This theory predates the Movie, but the Movie absolutely backs it up with him encouraging people to take the job. The location may have closed in 92/93, but the FNAF 2 ending and Phone Guy lines suggest it may have opened up far sooner than that, within a year of the FNAF 2 location closing. Dozens of men could have died there before the place finally closed at 'years end' a few weeks after Micheals run. And seemingly it didn't work. Maybe because the suffering wasn't enough. Maybe these men lacked the hope to hold on that the kids did, drained by a terrible life prior. Or maybe it's simply because The Puppet had cottoned on and wasn't going to help bring anyone back. Not anymore.(We know they were at the FNAF 1 location, both from the timeline and the FNAF 2 cutscenes, yet we never see them. Curious). So eventually as the place shut down William decided to take a closer look at the originals. Break them up, study their bits, perhaps reuse them. What made them special? And it would explain why that original remnant kept being re-used, the circumstances were specific and it was so hard to get more. They were no longer needed as unintentional killers. And Sister Location? Which most people place next to FNAF 1 in the timeline(either before or after depends). While it's not as blatant, it's the only other location with HINTS of prior guard fatalities. Plus the two technitions. Curious then this is the one place we know was fully a William operation. Ok, here's the bit of a stretch part. Phone Guy. The eternal enigma. Leading candidate to be the Purple Guy for over a year. We know he was innocent, and in hindsight it was kind of obvious from the start(The FNAF 2 phonecalls very clearly tell us it's the Dayshift Guard/Former Nightguars, and they aren't the same person as Phone Guy. Heck they trick Phone Guy). But he's definitely sketchy. He helps hide what's going on in the FNAF 2 location, covers up Springsuit fatalities, organizes the saferooms being sealed, and knows very well what's happening to all the guards at the FNAF 1 location. He's not a killer, but he is a diehard company loyalist who has been complicit in and helped cover up numerous crimes. Bit of a toadie. And we also have evidence William has blackmailed and threatened people more than once. He got the Funtime Designs past those execs who knew what they were for. SOMEONE was arrested in the 80s for the MCI and it clearly wasn't him. (Henry is the prime theory as it explains a bunch of other things, but back in the day a popular option was 'the guy in the foxy costume from Foxy Go Go' or 'One of the other bullies from Fnaf 4). This coo-coo banana pants theory is that Phone Guy was essentially strong-armed into being William's igor and right hand man in running the FNAF 1 location, handling the logistics of the new hires and managing the clean ups. Phone Guy is a toadie to start with(as shown above) and William could easily threaten to either frame him for the DCI/Save Them, or just leak all the audio of Phone Guy covering up various deaths on behalf of Fazbear over the years(probably edited to relieve William of any blame). The tapes were in the same room as Springbonnie, he has access to them. That would explain why Phone Guy, while not being THE killer, is clearly involved in so much nasty business. Toadie to William to the end, especially when being credibly threatened. It would also explain why in FNAF 1, despite towing the line and never fully telling you to 'leave and never come back' or something sensible like that, he does TRY to give subtle hints to either help you out or warn out without crossing the line. His previous deeds were very impersonal and detatched, he was the middleman, not the cause. Now he's directly involved like never before, he can't write off the blame in his mind anymore, "only following orders" is a lot harder when you're there in person and leading people to their deaths directly. (BTW, great title for a Phone Guy theory video. Only Following Orders). So he's trying desperately to get some warnings out in-between dismissing them and legal jargon and lying to you about the cause of the malfunction. This would also explain his fate. While Phone Guy had nominally been a guard since the place opened(as indicated by his FNAF 2 dialogue), it was obviously more of a training role, head guard, served only on paper in a lot of ways. He wasn't doing it weekly for all those years. But I'm guessing his disobediance and evidence of trying to sneak out warnings eventually came to Williams attention. Which combined with the fact all the experiments were not working out and William was probably getting angry...he sent Phone Guy to do things in person, and ensured he'd never come back. After all, who told Phone Guy with such confidence that this would be his...'last week'. (I have a few more details and side oddity to add if your curious, but the 1992 tangent is all the tangents I'm affording myself in a first post. I just really get annoyed at that one)
I like this theory. Scott seems to be making FNAF 1 into an already closed abandoned building where Afton would use the animatronics to kill more people for some purpose. I'm not entirely sure if the restaurant in the games is still opened and set to close by the end of the year as it says in the newspapers. It seems like the restaurant is opened in the game and only a couple to a few months from closing but going off of the movie and the silver eyes, the place has probably been long closed. We are getting a phone guy book later this year so maybe the book will reveal that phone guy had more to do with William than we think.
@@Sethxiety couple other things to add on both sides. Phone Guy has a single line of dialogue never featured in any game. From the opening of the FNAF 2 trailer. "Well if you're hearing this then, chances are you've made a very poor career choice." Almost like it was never allowed out. Maybe this was what William found that finally broke the camels back? How exactly did Phone Guy know he was on his last week? Did someone tell him? Perhaps he didn't fully comprehend what was meant by...last week. And then on November 4th 199X(2 or 3, as I've said, most people say 3, but the evidence says it's 2 and 3 was due to a misunderstanding Matpat caused) he dies, seemingly to Chica based on the audio clues. Heck if you really want to get crazy you could say Phone Guy's death is what finally prompted the place to close 'by years end'(so right before the X-Mas holidays in either December 92 or 93), as without him William couldn't manage the logistics anymore, thus he resorted to utterly destroying the originals for further testing until he eventually got himself into a position to be killed(whenever that was, probably 1994ish). Maybe that's also why Micheal showed up then and specifically then. William probably would have told Phone Guy to on no uncertain terms keep out any weird smelly guys who looked remotely like his son(especially if this is after the events of Sister Location which I think is the common idea now.), but in the chaos with him gone he could easily slip through the cracks. There aren't a lot of people both morally dubious enough to do this and that William has enough dirt on to keep loyal, really just Micheal who's already gone rogue at this point. Plus it fits tonally. It's another example of William's poor choices ruining his plans, he killed one of the only two people he could realistically control because they were getting uncomfortable at the mass murder. Plus Phone Guy's punishment is fitting. A painful death, but not full blown fires of hell like Willy got. There are flaws and stretches(the whole phone guy side of things). The two most common complaints I've heard are "William never ran the FNAF 1 location" and "Henry was never framed." The latter isn't really important to the main theory other than helping eliminate Henry as an owner(and there are other ways to do that), and even in the crazier Phone Guy sub-theory still works fine as long as SOMEONE had been framed in the past(which 100% happened, someone was convicted for the MCI) and even WITHOUT ANY FRAMING, it still probably works because we know for 100% William had access to incriminating tapes. They were in the safe room next to Springbonnie. The former is...well I do sort of get the sentiment, we know William seemingly wasn't super involved in the FNAF 2 location at least directly. But I have to ask, ok, who is running it then? Who else has a motive to allow this sort of mass guard death to occur? Henry sure doesn't, Micheal doesn't, and a faceless corporate entity without morals ala the ones running the Pizzaplex would see the income-spending graph and just torch the building for the insurance. You cover up deaths when you have a successful thriving operation, you don't spend thousands doing it on a failing crumbling restaurant that's dumb. No one else makes sense, BUT William. And experiments are the best motive given, AT THE LATEST, he learned about what was going on with the animatronics in 87 after Save Them and his Nightshift work, and possibly earlier. He absolutely was working on this stuff by the early 90s. And the movie thing backs it up, parallels between things in this franchise date back to the novels. The theory predates the movie, my version predates the movie by a good year(and it's based on older versions by people like BlackFootFerret, though his was a lot more crazy and tied to his other crazy theories...that guy's theories are nuts, but he had a weird trend of getting specific details right WAY ahead of time. He predicted mad science and soul harvesting and the company being run by a duo all the way back in FNAF 3, and predicted both souls being split into multiple suits and two souls sharing a suit right after FNAF 4. He also predicted Afton chasing immortality around this time.). Afton in the movie IS baiting people into taking the job for his own purposes with the goal of getting them killed. Sure in the movie it's for a more simplistic goal of 'more murder', but in the games his goals are more complex so the game equivalent would be more complex. And in the movie he fills both the role of himself and Phone Guy in the games, so a game equivalent would likely involve both of them. I've been pitching the combo theory ("FNAF 1 is a front for remnant harvesting rather than a proper business" and it's associated "Phone Guy was being forced to work with William in the early 90s" theory) since 2022 or 2021, and I want to see just one video on it before that Phone Guy book comes out. Please, you can just take everything I gave you. I don't even need credit. I just want it out there. If you need titles, "Bear Trap" or "FNAF 1: The Bear's Honeypot" for the first theory, and "Phone Guy: Only Following Orders" for the second sub theory.
Holy crap I will never understand FNAF lore :') I'm still kinda confused. What does DCI mean first of all? Dead childrens incident? I still don't really get how the MCI possess the toys, even if they're used from the old animatronic parts I don't really get how they can possess the toys and the old ones. Ugh idk I can never understand these things. It's too much for my tiny brain lol. Someone please try to explain this to me without making it too confusing
Ok, I’ll try :) in the novel trilogy, William had cobbled together the original 4 animatronics together, melted them down and injected them into the Funtime animatronics causing them to be possessed by the kids. Basically if you put haunted metal into other animatronic that’s not haunted, it’s possible for that animatronic to become haunted by that spirit. As a side note I no longer believe the toys are haunted by the missing children but by the fnaf 2 kids, DCI (Dead Children’s Incident) If you have any other questions feel free to ask :)
The FNaF 2 Night 1 call starts with Phone Guy saying something about a new "Summer" job and the main gameplay happens in November, per the paycheck. So the DCI COULD possibly still be the spirits in the Toys.
That’s just a lie that fazbear uses to explain away the paranormal stuff as glitches in the system. Or it’s their explanations as to why the characters misbehave as they’re not sure why. Phone guy gives a reason as to why the FNaF 1 characters move because their servos lock up if they don’t which is just not true. They move because they’re possessed.
I swear to God, the worst thing the FNaF series ever did was wanting to explain the science and mechanisms of ghosts and possessions like this was Ghostbusters or something
I disagree. The concept of remnant is really cool to me. IMO remnant is just simply a name for the paranormal. The science behind it is just an explanation it doesn’t take away from what it is
@@Sethxiety nah, you see, here's the thing: intrinsically, it's really cool. But to me, it's something that explains something that didn't need to be explained. I mean, do you need to know about the science of ghosts in a ghost story about a spirit that possesses a statue? And the worst part to me isn't even that they explain it, it's how poor of a job they do. I can't tell if remnant is meant to be soul juice or memories in liquid form. I mean, according to the books, ghosts aren't actually spirits, but rather, they're "living recordings of people", they're projections of a deceased one as how they were remembered by someone before they died, but in a sentient incorporeal form. But not an actual soul. And that's the thing, this is a really cool idea for an alternative take on how ghosts work. And yeah, it isn't even a main thing in the games, it's something that you're just retroactively aware of when you play them. It's only a main focus on the books, which makes sense, books are great for lengthy exposition, better than games at least. But the way I've seen folks talk about it, it feels like you _have_ to understand remnant and agony to even understand what's going on in the games when it comes to haunted stuff, like the Blob or whatever its name is now. And besides that, when I think of FNaF, I think of cheap pizzeria animatronics possessed by children who never got a chance to grow, tragic victims of a murder. I don't think about sci-fi explanations about how ghosts work. I'm just here to be spooked by a ghost, maybe see a more human story about humans trying to empathize with them (which to be fair, the books did end up going there), I'm not here to know if it has a digestive track or not. The less you know about something, the scarier it seems to you. And so, we want to learn about everything. Because the more you know about something, the less scary it seems to you. The mere concept of remnant and how it's handled seems to contradict that basic idea. But to be fair, the shift into sci-fi with Sister Location was already one I was not fond of in the first place. Metal wire endoskeletons, face plates, robots designed to murder kids, the Purple Guy being an evil scientist focused on immortality... I like that kinda FNaF stuff for what it is, but it's not what I prefer to see in FNaF games and media. Heck, that's why I was into the FNaF movie so much, despite the fact it wasn't very scary.
@Mike14264 yeah that’s fair. The less you know the scarier it is. But remnant is basically the emotions and memories of someone either projected onto an object or an accurate spiritual entity. Remnant is just what a spirit is, it’s very similar to the stone tape theory and ectoplasm. But yeah I get what you mean
@@Sethxiety when it comes to FNaF, I feel like less really is just more. And when you want to have more instead of less, it's gotta be well handled. As a cheeky example I'm sure many would disagree with me on, FNaF 2's gameplay is pretty weak. 11 animatronics, and only two a them actually do something different. Security Breach is huge and I see why so many folks really like it, but even ignoring the bugs and glitches, and the potential it could've had when we look at all the cut areas and content, it's hard to deny that the gigantic scope of the Pizzaplex was way more than what the devs could manage to bite and chew. And it's funny, I honestly really like the idea of the Pizzaplex, and the more I hear about some of the theories, the more I like it. It's disconnected enough from the original games that I can really like it not just for what it is, but as a part of the series - a fresh new take on the series in fact. The idea that the original games were just... actual games within the world of Help Wanted and Security Breach can allow folks to make a brand new story from scratch. Because I _am_ a sci-fi fan! I just thought that having stuff like Sister Location in the main series was just dissonant. So, have they succeeded in making a cool new story? I mean... ...maybe we're getting there? I still can't tell if the Mimic was always intended to be the villainous force, trying to emulate the killings found in the in-universe FNaF games... or if they just pulled the idea out of their ass once they realized folks didn't like Burntrap all that much. And I'm sorry, unless they have a reason for Vanessa to still be Vanny so they can use her again, then lemme tell ya, the entirety of Vanny's potential was all lost, plain and simple.
@@Sethxiety stone tape theory? Well that's new... And I mean... Is it that similar to ectoplasm? Memories of someone being projected into an entity isn't exactly the same as that someone's actual soul lingering in our plane of existence. One is a biased copy of a dead person, while the other is the pure and true essence of said dead person. Maybe it's just me, but these two ideas are vastly different. Edit: oh yeah, I forgot that some theories about hauntings are that they're just recordings of tragic events that happened in the past. Well, it's a theory whose idea I really do enjoy... assuming that it isn't the only type of haunting. If it were, well, that would just be kinda disappointing to me, and by that standard, I can't say I'm too fond of it. Still, I can see now why remnant being what it is can make more sense.
To me the Toy Animatronics being possessed never lined up with me. I don't care how many people believe it, it just doesn't make sense to me. There's a notable Missing Child Incident in which FIVE (5) 👋 children went missing. And this is seen as only one incident. If there were another batch of kids that went missing, it would've definitely popped up at some point. "MCI 2" or something. 9-10 kids going missing within a decade is a guaruntee to shut down any establishment for good. I think that the old animatronics were abandoned and replaced by the toys, THEN the MCI happens during/just before the events of 2 (the withereds were left to rot, spare parts being rarely used after the first few times, no one would notice if kids got stuffed inside). And the Toys are either William tampering with the security system to prevent people from noticing what he's doing, Charlie affecting their programming to attack any security guard (or William/Mike if they really are the player(s) of 2), or the spare parts used for them were already possessed and influences their programming. Also, I never really see it mentioned anymore, and idk how many people really believe/care anymore, but I really really like the idea MatPat had about Mangle being possessed by Sally's dog. It just makes so much sense to me. Even if it is disproven or objectively wrong, I decide to believe it.
Fair but the books have established multiple times the MCI took place in 85 not 87 and phone guy in 2 mentions the smell coming from the withered in night 1 iirc.
@@EmileDangervilplus we see a set of dead kids in fnaf 2 and didn’t we also see a set of dead kids in fnaf 1 if so that also shows there are 2 sets of dead kids
Well, no but yes. They're being puppeteered by Charlotte, which in its strictest sense, is posession. But they're not individually controlled by different souls, and they might even be influenced by Agony. The Whithered's on the other hand are, tho they might have influence over the Toy aninatronics as well
The Puppet and Mangle are obviously possessed but i have a theory for Toy Bonnie being possessed. So Golden Freddy’s spirit (Cassidy) has a LOT of agony. That agony was used to create Shadow Freddy. Theres also Shadow Bonnie which probably was made in the same way as Shadow Freddy BUT Shadow Bonnie looks like Toy Bonnie instead of Withered Bonnie. So my theory is that theres another vengeful spirit like Cassidy inside of Toy Bonnie. Thats it. Another toy that may be possessed is Balloon Boy because if he isn’t then why is there a Phantom Balloon Boy? But for Balloon Boy theres barely any evidence of him being possessed. Idk if Toy Freddy or Toy Chica is possessed because theres barely anything to work off of for those two.
Wait when toy chica activated at night she can be seen with no beak the the most important part is why does toy freddy and toy chica have the black eyes aren't the black eyes for animatronics who have souls🤨
Well, Marionette is possessed and I think it might be a toy animatronic since it looks like one and every other animatronic from Fnaf 2 is either a withered animatronic, shadow animatronic, or a toy animatronic. (And Marionette obviously isn’t a shadow or withered animatronic.)
maybe, just maybe, fritz smith is william afton, not micheal, fritz is more professional than mike, he tampers with the toys facial recognition, the "odor" must be because fritz encountered withered freddy in save them, phone guy references the withereds having the "smell"
fritz only works custom night and is fired. on his pink slip it says 3rd employee to be in that shift. cant be William if he used the "yellow one" (golden freddy) and now none of the animatronics are acting right.
@@luluu0101So whats the point of the tampered line from phone guy, Mike cant be fritz because it makes the plot of fnaf 1 useless, wasnt the plot of fnaf 1 about mike discovering why the animatronics are acting weird? And how does mike already knows all the mechanics without a unique phone call
This a very good video. Also it is funny how you so much lead everything to toys being possessed but in the end you say they are not. Since you say that Shadow Bonnie is the agony of DCI, then what if Shadow Freddy is the agony of MCI?
What do you mean? I think they are possessed. I just don't think they are possessed by the MCI anymore. (but would like to act in ignorance of). But yeah shadow bonnie i believe was created out of the dci. I actually think the mci birthed Eleanor from frights and shadow Freddy was created from the bite of 83
@@Sethxiety oh I just confused it guess lol. I think shadow freddy would make more sense to be from mci cause I think scott did not think of the bite of 83 during fnaf 2 development. There was only bite of 87, though we could say that he did use a golden freddy jumpscare in fnaf 1 for 1987, but in fnaf 2 the bite probably happens at the end of the week and I think we can see shadow freddy before that, but I am not sure on that though that needs to be checked.
Random theory but Do the mci victims share a birthday because if it’s their happiest day it should be shared maybe that is the reason William picked them
No they don’t. Happiest day is just a term used to describe the spirits experiencing a happy memory allowing them to be free from their agony and move on.
@@Sethxiety I see. I assume the DCI are the dead bodies in the save them mini-game. Because I personally believe the DCI do possess the toy animatronics and they never got their happiest. Because we never hear from the DCI ever again past FNAF 2, nor do we ever hear from the toy animatronics again as well in future games. Aside from Mangle maybe, who appears as a phantom in FNAF 3, and can be seen in Elizabeth's room in one of the FNAF 4 cutscene mini-games. But really, I still wanna know all these years later what happened to the toys and the DCI after FNAF 2. I personally believe they never got their happiest day.
@@Mickelraven In all honesty, I think my opinion on this theory has changed. However, if they are possessed by the DCI I believe they were either set free after they were scrapped or in the FNAF 3 fire as their parts were in the attraction.
What i'm curious about is if they want to make another kid one of them, why has that never happened up until abby shows up? I get its abandoned and everything but why does she need to be one of them? Just revenge?
There might have been other kids and William took the animatronic they possessed away. Or Abby so happened to be the only and perfect one as she had a connection with them and Garrett
Yeah the toy animatronics are a big mystery as to what happened to them. One theory is that they were refused to build the Funtime animatronics in Sister Location. Because Funtime Foxy looks like Mangle. Yeah some details are different but they were definitely built to look similar.
Which is confusing bc the location after the fnaf 2 location was the fnaf 1 location so meaning sister location would have to have been after fnaf 1 or before fnaf 2
Nope they are different. The MCI is the first set of kids from the original Freddy’s and the DCI is the second in fnaf 2. It’s possible for spirits to be in two places at once. In fazbear frights Andrew a spirit in the stitchwraith animatronic has his soul split across different objects while also being in the animatronic due to his anger infecting objects.
@@Sethxiety oh, I have no idea how that works but Ok, ( but in my opinion, the toys were put to rest when the location of fnaf 3 burned, much like how fnaf 6 freed its souls)
Ok here is one of the reasons I think the toy animatronics are possessed by the dci so in the save them minigame we have 5 dead children bodies but 6 blood puddles one of them being under a table and that could possible mean that the 6th body that is hidden somewhere we don't know of is suppose to be the soul who possesses jj and mangle is moving around in the minigame because they are probably possessed by susie dog telling by the fact at the same time mangle looks like they are moving like a animal on all fours and the fact that in fnaf ar the endo head that is apart of mangle speaks aswell and not just mangle and also maybe the reason why when we walk into the bodies that the toy animatronics don't jumpscare us is maybe because the soul of that body is maybe now possessing withered freddy because it soul attached to withered freddy I am not saying withered freddy is possessed by 2 souls but I am saying is that he will have two souls possess him if it was canon he walked into one of the dead bodies in the minigame but anyways also one of the dead bodies is close to toy bonnie and one of them is close to mangle so it probably took sometime for one of the toy animatronics to walk into one of the dead bodies and become possessed and also there is this easter eggs where a image would appear in fnaf 2 showing toy bonnie with black eyes or withered foxy with black eyes or withered freddy with black eyes and we know withered freddy and withered foxy are possessed but anyways that is all I had to say I tried my best to make it make senses to you as possible and all but anyways uh yeah have a good day and thank you for reading this comment if you did
@Sethxiety No problem anytime if I can and also thanks for reading my comment and for hearing my opinion out sorry if some of what I said in that comment did not make that much senses but I am glad you took the time to read it and get ideas from it anyways have a good day and I will watch your content and subscribe to you 😁
@@Sethxiety phone guy said so In the first phone call of the in FNAF 2 but if you wanna keep on with your theory then go ahead who am I to say your wrong because in my opinion them being possessed just doesn't make sense
@@Sethxiety molten mci is impossible 1. HOW THE HELL DID THEY KILL Afton in night 5 2.in fnaf 3 bad ending we see they are still tied with there original animatronics 3. If we are using the candy cadet for this then there is 6 souls in molten Freddy if you include crying child
@EmileDangervil 1 and 2) soul splitting. 3) Crying Child does not possess Golden Freddy he died in a hospital. What is attached to the animatronics of him is memories or fragments of him. Also the gravestone ending heavily implies the MCI are at the fnaf 6 location and the only place they could be is Molten Freddy.
The MCI happened in Fnaf 2 as the Fnaf 1 newspaper clippings are out of date as the restaurant itself is on the verge of ruin and structural collapse phone guy even states your week will be the restaurant's last. Fnaf 6 lorekeeper ending even proves once and for all that William Afton ONLY had 5 victims at 1 birthday party with Charlotte Emily being taken way beforehand and the constant shuffling of parts between multiple animatronics mostly due to Henry's waste not wanting not style of management in his time as CEO of Fazbear entertainment caused multiple sets of fragmented possession which is why he feels so guilty in Fnaf 6 as demonstrated by the voice lines he has in the insanity ending before the intervention of Fazbear entertainment. William's constant tampering and experimentation on these possessed machines denies their spirits rest and Henry unwittingly allowed this to happen for which he feels guilty. Five graves, five victims, 1 party. The recurring theme throughout the Fnaf games. Happiest day in Fnaf 3 is built on this, the bullies in Fnaf 4 match this and the follow me mini games match this, over and over we see the same set of 5 victims and William Afton. The bullies are more of a metaphor of the events to come though as Afton is still Henry's friend in Fnaf 4 as he hasn't attacked Charlie yet.
The books imply the MCI occurred in 1985 both in the silver eyes and in fazbear frights. Scott said to use frights to fill in the gaps of the past of the games. The MCI happened in the original Freddy’s as we can see with foxy go go go with foxy coming out of pirates cover being classic foxy not withered. In save them they are in a completely different location being the fnaf 2 location with no pirates cove. So there were 2 sets of murders. I just don’t think the 2nd possessed anyone and instead their agony accumulated as shadow Bonnie.
@@Sethxiety at the very least the books that fill in the gaps point to Susie being both mangle and chica. Something that Fnaf 2 custom night 'ladies night' can attest to as ONLY chica and mangle are active there. also according to phone guy prior to the players week the toys had already been fitted with salvaged parts in addition to their updating with security database links. The small problem with the gaps the books fill in is they aren't always cohesive to the games. One example is that the silver eyes version of the original four + golden Freddy is the ONLY version of them in that universe, they never withered or had to be repaired and Charlotte Emily dying never led to the puppet or any saviour being created contradicting any mini game theory as well as attempting to prove it. Fnaf 2 though had to be where the MCI took place though in the games as in it's week there's a spring lock suit theft, a birthday party and a missing security guard no one can explain, all of which were the criteria for the MCI. Also in Fnaf 6 Susie was shown being abducted in an arcade like area while playing on a machine Fnaf 2's pizzeria was the last one open with an arcade area, as by Fnaf 1 the machines were decommissioned and stored in the safe room among other items. You can even see them in the Fnaf 3 final night mini game a whole row of them in fact. The silver eyes also mentioned the restaurant the MCI took place in having a carousel, Fnaf 2 has the only restaurant that has a functioning carousel in its play area/arcade. I'm not against your theory by any means, I'm just trying to say that perhaps the order of actions and their functions may have some minor issues as Afton getting the day shift basically allows him to commit the MCI something that according to Fnaf 1 and the opening section of the silver eyes is long in the past and has haunted the franchise forever since. Fnaf 2 even hosts a lock down and police investigation that are specifically mentioned as part of the MCI. The original books universe also mentions the MCI only happened once too, but then it also doesn't account for the sister location experiments and live abductions involved in that as in the fourth closet these are foiled but in the games they happened without fail. A small note about the foxy minigame is that there's one dead victim that stands out in sharpness there and that this seems to have some significance to foxy, like a memory perhaps. Fnaf 3 shadow Bonnie may be different to Fnaf 2 animatronic shadow Bonnie as this figure gives Charlotte the cake she needs to perform the happiest day and save the crying child. This implies a connection to Michael Afton as he is his father's shadow and rxq in this mini game is portrayed as a shadow of Springtrap.
@@Sethxiety another minor note is that game timeline wise Fnaf 2 restaurant opening works with 1985 as Fredbear's franchised out at the end of fnaf 4 and the original unwithered characters were a part of that restaurant according to the TV in Fnaf 4 meaning two years could easily have granted them their own restaurant before they withered and tragedy struck. Also there's a theory video regarding the survival log book that might be of interest in this regard, it uses a portion of the book to map out the timeline of fnaf 3 and uses a 'real value' equation to demonstrate the time jump between it and Fnaf 2 that might be worth looking into to add to your theory.
@AloneTheorist I’m not against what you’re saying either you bring up some interesting points. But to clarify what I was saying. The silver eyes trilogy is in a separate continuity and one that does not line up with the games narrative. The save events occur but differently. In the ultimate guide it says The novel trilogy offers an insight into Henry’s and William’s friendship as well as mechanics such as remnant and iirc dates. Frights for the most part doesn’t line up with the games either but the stitchwraith epilogues and stories connected to them seem to be within game continuity imo. Also in the save them minigame withered Freddy is moving around the fnaf 2 establishment with all five bodies of the dead children there not in the animatronic suits. Which we know them being stuffed was the reason for their possession.
Fnaf 2 opened in 1987. The place was open for 2 weeks then closed after the bite. It’s said in the newspaper at the end of the game. The paycheck has 1987 as the year.
It's unlikely that the toys even have parts of the withereds since the toys are obviously made out of different materials and also let's not forget that Phone Guy only says the the withereds were being used for parts, but doesn't specify what were these parts used for.
@@ariacharizard9121 No. The DCI happened after the MCI. The MCI happened in 1985, which has been a year associated with the MCI across the novels and Fazbear Frights. The DCI happened in 1987 when FNAF 2 takes place. :)
@Sethxiety ah OK, thanks for the clarification. Great video btw I really like your point on shadow Bonnie I think that's a super valid and intresting take
The toys were scrapped when the fnaf 2 establishment closed. And the souls were either set free because of that or when the toy scraps in 3 were burnt in the location.
Beautiful interpretation on Shadow Bonnie, still one of the biggest mysteries in this franchise thats so rarely brought up. I can think of maybe two videos that talk on him and neither hit like that did.
I think the toys don’t need a happiest day because they are scrapped at the end of them game, they are scrapped, meaning their end is are melted down and they are freed.
Overall I believe that in the first nights they are alive from remnant, shadow Bonnie is the spring Bonnie suit fused with agony, and in the later nights they are fully possessed
At the very least, I think mangle is possessed
Mangle is one of the few characters who know Andrew “he here and always watching the one you should not have killed”
But in the code they save them sprite says” he was here” implying they are aware of what’s going on also, they’re there the only other animatronic besides golden, Freddy, puppet and Freddy to be moving
Also Ar has a fact that they were unable to re-create mangle wall crawling implying that was a unique ability to the mangle that was possessed.
In the minigame where we play as Freddy and we see two more souls on the ground, maybe one ends up possessing mangle and the other is Andrew? If he’s even canon
U mention about Andrew
Why don’t u say about Michael?
I think that the only toys that are possessed are toy Chica and mangle they're the only ones with the white dotted eyes out of the toys
Mangle is susie’s dog :) :( :) :( :)
@@TheOwlShack no
I think i heard it from ryetoast, being the interpretation that give gifts give life is charlie leading the kids to their bodies to give them back their memories and let them posess their animatronics, but A++ theory!
I still question mangle a bit, maybe willy experimented with remnant or they got extra parts from the mci or something (maybe hes the one that initially broke them), but yeah, we never hear of the dci again
Yeah it was ryetoast. But thank you! Glad you liked the theory 😊
They probably only get possessed after night 3, up until that point it's reasonable enough to assume they're just mindlessly walking around and attacking because they really do see you as an endo, it may also be a good explanation as to why they're less aggressive then the old animatronics
Or their criminal database is being set off by both Jeremy & Fritz/Michael.
They're Semi- possessed,
They Used The Withered Animatronics for Parts,
Which they Put into The Toy animatronics.
Yeah I agree with this
@@Sethxiety right?
So a theory I had for Fnaf 3,
Is that Since, Parts of The Semi possessed Toy animatronics are in that Box,
In the office.
The remnant Left Goes around manifesting As Hallucinations
Formed around The Many Fazbear Decorations.
Being Drawn in by either The Puppet's good-ness,
Or The agony of Springtrap That keeps him alive.
Or mike, who's a Familiar Target, because he looks like his Dad.
@@nihilism4901 yeah. My current interpretation of the phantoms is that they are manifestations of the agony left over from the animatronic shells orchestrated by springtrap.
9:28 I also heard the interpretation that this is Charlie giving the MCI kids their memories back.
The spirits at first don’t know they’re dead so they’re unaware so puppet does their best to try and help them remember. She does this by bringing them to the bodies.
( the novel trilogy and the movie show an alternative universe where this doesn’t happen. In those universes they’re completely controlled by William because puppet didn’t exist)
The reason why golden Freddy appears at the end because they didn’t need puppet help to remember who they were
Perhaps
Well you could say the puppet is maybe canon in the fnaf movie universe why I say that is because at the credits scene you could say we hear the fnaf 2 save them minigame voice say "come find me" which could mean the puppet is telling mike to come find them because garrett might be possessing them but anyways uh yeah just wanted to let you know that the puppet might be canon in the fnaf movie universe.
Actually,Puppet appears in a movie as an Easter egg.
Like not those photoshop picture on RUclips short.
He appears as An Easter egg about Garret
I’m like 99.9% positive the Puppet exists in the movies even just based on the way the first one ended (with music box playing over the “come find me). And is almost certainly going to play a very significant role in the second film considering it’s working title/production title is “music box” (not to mention it just being based on FNAF 2 in general)
two words, something borrawed, something new
That’s four actually
Borrawed
borrawed
@@DeadBunny7878thats six words
@@lianellejanesorza5457 can you count
i think the parts they took from the original animatronics may have haunted them at first, then potentially the dci took over fusing in some way with the MCI spirits (?)(excluding cassidy).
great video tho.
No guys toy chica got a GYATT💯💯💯
@@Yummy_money-zr2sr 😨
This theory doesn't make any sense. If that's the case, mangle is possessed by two spirits then
@@Jake_102__ idk, i wrote this theory 5 months ago, but something-something agony and more parts used, also, yes all the toys would be partially possessed by 2, maybe the mci went back to possessing the withereds more after the dci, idk.
@TheToasterLlama Yeah but idk how the MCI would possess multiple animtronics, unless their anger over the years made them more powerful
I think the Toys are possessed by the dead children that are in the mini game, also there’s other channels that have proof, also the Balloon Word mini game of FNAF SB has proof too.
How does Balloon World have proof?
@@Sethxiety You need to watch the Video that is: Balloon Boy SECRET STORY EXPLAINED-Five Nights At Freddy’s FNAF Security Breach THEORY
I think it makes sense that they are possessed. Possessed by the kids who died in the fnaf 2 killing incident. In the Save them Minigame, Freddy and the Puppet are already possessed so the fnaf 2 killing incident isn’t the same as the original Missing Kids Incident. By the time we the player play the game, they are already possessed. We can easily infer the fnaf 2 recordings take place in the past since they mention it’s a summer job while it’s currently November. They just reused the recordings so we are post Save Them mini game.
Yeah this is possible
I think they’re possessed bc they have parts from the original location, from like Fred ears or the location that was after dreadbear (bc Fnaf 2 is a prequal to Fnaf 1
this is a perfect theory and video. especially the part where DCI agony creates RWQ, but none of the kids possess any of the toys. the no jumpscare at the end of Save Them is basically confirmation in my opinion.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video
Wait I just realised it makes no sense- assuming mangle was caused the bite in 1987- why would foxy be out of order between 1991- '93? If mangle committed the bite (which is most likely) and was definitely scrapped with the rest of the toys then why was a now fixed foxy quickly put out of order?
Malfunctions? Spiritual stuff maybe?
@@Sethxietyit was to get children to go close and probably kidnap them because thwy wanna see whats behind it but it never worked
I interpreted that the Withereds are possessed , and when spare parts were used to build the Toys, the spirits were able to get them
Unrelated and Random but once I was in a FNaF RP and the Freddy randomly went into "Deactivate Sit" mode, and then the Bonnie said "It looks like Freddy just dropped dead. Which reminds me, today's topic is about death!"
MCI: GIVE LIFE
DCI: SAVE THEM
If you believe the Micheal theory, they attack you because your an arsonist who burnt down the first location.
Lol
But the the first location would not have been burnt down as that location seems to have been reused for FNAF 1
I made a theory about that that im going to make a video of later but i believe that they are indeed possesed but not by the mci i believe they are possed by the missing children because if a part of the possed metal goes inside another host animatronic it become possed but it splits the souls of the children we see this in the fourth closet and i think they are also possed because of the eyes and that when they are in the room the lights start flickering just like when the withereds enter the room and we also know they used the old animatronic parts as scraps but i also think that not all of them are possed but the majority are. But they also could be possed by the mci while also being possed by part of a soul of the missing children
What are all those acronyms???
DCI
MCI
????
Dead children's incident
Missing children's incident
Is good to see someone else see the minigames as literal, most RUclipsrs see the second mci as a imaginary recreation to say there's only 5 children mossing.
Wait people do that? I’ve never seen that interpretation tbh
the toy animatronics were built with some of the old parts from the original 4 which contained bits of remnant inside.
Though this does make since in the fnaf universe fnaf 2 came before 1 meaning the originals from fnaf 1 shouldn’t of been possessed yet since they get possessed in fnaf 1 so unless the withereds got possessed at the location they came from originally then idk how they could be possessed in turn making the toys possessed bc well as u said they used parts from the withereds
The Save Them Minigame can’t be the MCI or at least not the first one, since Witherd Foxy is Half endo and Mangle is all endo so no one could have been stuffed
Yeah. Save them isn’t the MCI it’s the DCI.
This naming is confusing and that also opens the question of what Shadow Freddy is
lol DCI stands for Dead Children’s Incident. I think shadow Freddy was created from the death of the crying child. Shadow Freddy is the agony of everything he experienced taking form.
I think the toys are effected by agony just as ogs are effected remlent and agony
That’s also possible
Me personally, I think the Toys are partially possessed. Parts of the Withereds were uses to make the Toys, and that's why they're so twitchy. A part of a soul that's detatched from the rest of the soul isn't exactly the friendliest thing to encounter
Except maybe Mangle, she's possessed by the kid she bit, ala Fredbear-style (Crying Child possessed Fredbear in the same way lmao)
As much as I believe the toys to be possessed. The problem is that, outside of fnaf 2. Nothing ever mentions more dead kids other than the MCI. Charlotte. Elisabeth and the Crying Child..... they've might as well been redconned into nonexistence.....
You know.... It would have been cool if they ended up being used by Afton to create the funtimes after being scrapped. Would have made fnaf 3's good ending actually happen..... and they would have been the ones to burn if pizza sim.
I agree having the toys be the ones used for the Funtimes would've been a better decision. Although I believe they're possessed by the MCI from the withered parts.
my evidence for the toys being possessed is that they try to kill you. i dont think they would do this otherwise. jokes aside, phone guy is meant to be full of crap. he's obviously lying or doesnt know what he's talking about, using corporate speak as a facade to try and keep you calm.
I assume they are possessed by the DCI since through the week of FNaF2, there’s been an investigation going on which means the SAVE THEM Minigame take place atleast a week before the gameplay. This is supported by how the Mangle was moving in the Minigame despite it looking like Night since Withered Freddy is active. Another thing to keep in mind is that it’s the endos that are possessed, not the suits themselves. This is ALSO supported by how Toy Freddy and Toy Chica have Black eyes, we know Toy Chica’s Black eyes are a canon thing since she has them in UCN too.
Honestly the DCI could happen either in the first or second week, there’s points in both of their favours. Yes I know it’s the endos that are possessed. I sometimes might use endos and suits interchangeably 😅
@@Sethxiety the Problem with them using the endo is why would they use it on the Toy Animatronics? The only way I could see them doing that is to just to leave More costumes to the Toys but the Withereds themselves had the Bodies of the MCI and they found them.
@SonZackSSJ9k what else would they use the parts on? Also an assumption I’ve always had was that they found the bodies at some point and disposed of them to hide evidence the murders happened in the pizzeria.
Artificial souls that got created by the puppet as charlie discovered the power of connecting souls to animatronics just like how she did... kinda ( Its not really possible to name every single explanation)
Because she manually entered the puppet but why does she have more ability to do what the others can't? My theory is that 1. She has no remnant so she isn't influenced and allows her to tap in to more things
2. She has more remnant than the rest because they have none.
Taking this to account the souls she has is just created? No, she just converted them from the old animatronics by splitting imo.
What if the Toy Animatronics have the mimic_1 program inside of them and that’s why they act possessed.
They learned it from the Withereds and copied them. Not to mention, they’re the only set of animatronics that get “scrapped” and not destroyed and passed on (ie Withereds > Fnaf 1 gang > funtimes > ennard >molten Freddy etc)
Theory, FNAF 2 is ONLY Charlie as the puppet. There's no 2nd batch of dead kids. FNAF 2's security gaurd is Michael and looking like Afton pissed Charlie off enough to set off the toy animatronics
There’s a minigame in fnaf 2 showing another set of dead kids and the location the kids are dead at isn’t the fnaf 1 location meaning it had to be fnaf 2’s location
I think toy freddy, toy bonnie, and balloon boyis possessed by a boy and toy chica, mangle, and jj are possessed by a girl well mangle is possessed twins 1 boy and 1 girl
Great video man, though I do disagree on the save them kids not possessing the toy animatronics, since I don’t think that Scott planned the whole haunted metal remnant thing, and technically speaking, like the MCI kids only split their souls through melted metal like with the funtimes, or like with the masks of the original animatronics in the fnaf 3 bad ending while they are trapped in the funtimes. I don’t see how parts of the MCI kids can possess the save them kids.
Also I don’t think that William didn’t want the save them kids to possess the toy animatronics, I think that would be the opposite since consider that William wanted Abby to be “one of them” with the MCI kids in the movie, he also wanted new souls in the amalgamation from the fourth closet when the MCI kids kidnapped a kid where William would do experiments of him. So like it would make more sense if that happens since William would want to add more members of his “family” with the MCI kids, more kids into their “happiest day” are Freddy’s, where he can also influence them to attack guards and to make more kids like them. As for the jumpscares of the minigames like with the puppet, foxy, and Freddy. I think the jumpscare are put there mainly because the minigames take place in the past with different locations, while save them is more recent with new souls possessing the toy animatronics. And I think that their souls pass on by either them being scrapped at the end of fnaf 2 or when fazbear frights burned down destroying the parts of the toy animatronics. Especially since the story of the games mainly focus on the MCI kids and Charlie.
To me, save them possessing the toy animatronics makes more sense since it’s like five dead kids in the new pizzaria, and five new animatronics that are possessed which would be the toy animatronics. But anyways great video man, like your interpretations
Yeah that’s what I mean when Scott may have assumed we would’ve figured out the toys are haunted by the save them kids. Remnant might not have been planned yet but the silver eyes did release in 2015 originally where they discuss how memories could possibly linger which is what remnant is. Also parts of haunted robots can cause the spirits to haunt a new vessel. Andrew haunted the stitchwraith because fetch’s battery pack was added to his endo.
The toys being scrapped leading to their souls being freed in them is a head canon of mine if this theory isn’t true.
But THANK YOU! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching :D
@@Sethxiety ah I guess fair about the part where Andrew possess the stitchwraith because of the fetch battery, though I mean isn’t that where his main soul resides? Like that’s like a huge part of the fetch animatronic and it’s like its main source? Like fazbear entertainment would be taking small parts from the original animatronics to make the toy animatronics.
But anyways, no problem man, can’t wait for your next video
No. No and no. Don't try to over complicate the lore to yourself. Toys are possessed by Save them. And secrets are possessed by go go go. It's simple logic.
Same as there was no Williams revenge.
Yeah I no longer believe this to be the case. I made a short updating my thoughts on it all
I have a phone guy theory i wanna pitch as a video idea. You curious?
Sure what is it?
@@Sethxiety I've been pushing a theory for a couple years that helps FNAF 1 fit back into the time line snuggly and cures it's early installment weirdness. There's two halves, the part I'm certain about and the more iffy stretch part. If it's in there cool, if not I hope you hear me out.
Let me set the stage with a fact. FNAF 1's location is the ONLY time in the whole series where Guards being murdered at night by animatronics was a regular occurrence. It's easy to forget that as it was the first game in the series, but it's true.
FNAF 2's location only ever had 3 guards. The first guy was William and he got out after a Week. Second guy was Jeremy who survived the Nightshift(but probably got his frontal lobe nibbled off on the following Dayshift), and the Third Guy was Fritz who is probably Micheal. There's also some notable revelations here I'll get back to in a minute.
FNAF 3, one guard, probably Micheal(though some fringe theorists think it's Henry), they live. FNAF 4, no guards. FNAF SL...this one is actually kind of hard to say, FNAF 6, one guard, Micheal, dies but not because of animatronics.
FNAF 2 also establishes via Phone Guy that this is the first time this sort of thing has ever happened. Guard 1's reports were thought of as impossible and it's only during Jeremy's week they start to figure out a theory(the bare endoskeleton thing) and offer up some solutions. This tells us the original location that was open for a bit after the murders either didn't have nightguards(makes sense enough, no big crime, no need) or the Puppet hadn't gotten to them yet. It also tells us Guard fatalities are something they're actively trying to avoid.
But in FNAF 1? There's a whole procedure for it. Body removed, property cleaned and bleached, carpets replaced, missing person report within 90 days. A institutional solution for it combined with Phone Guy's "Most people don't last this long" implies MANY guards at this location have come and perished before Micheal arrives in 92/93(doesn't matter, but TLDR 93 has never been proven. Matpat picked it because of the Aurora Chuck E Cheese incident, the tax data said it could be anywhere from 1991-1996, and the Faz Fact that referenced it was cut and might not be canon. But that would have the work week go from Tuesday to Monday which is stupid. Meanwhile in 1992 the November dates line up perfectly with the work week. Minor detail, worth mentioning though).
This means that not only have a ton of guards died, but there's a procedure for it, meaning the company is both aware and doesn't care. But why? This isn't hugely profitable 2030s Fazbear entertainment sweeping a few missing kids and staff under the rug, this is 1990s floundering Fazbear. Why waste so much many dealing with dozens of dead guards...unless...gathering dead guards is the goal.
Let me ask another question. Who is running the show in the 1990s? Henry is out the timeline from the mid 80s until right before FNAF 6, maybe he's hiding in guilt, heck, I personally buy the theory he was framed(explaining the newspaper clipping saying the suspect was convicted) and spent a couple decades in jail, starting on the FNAF 6 project right after getting out. But even if he was here, Henry would never allow any of this to happen. And I already explained above why the faceless corporate overlord types, or even Miss Afton if you wanna bring that up, wouldn't do this. The profit motive isn't there. The location is a crumbling mess and the cleanup procedure is massive and expensive.
That only leaves our boy William Afton, who is alive at this point, was free as recently as 1987, and we have zero evidence he was charged for the DCI/SAVE THEM incident. William Afton was running the FNAF 1 location and funding the cleanups of stuffed, dead, guards. But why?
Well, for years the fandom has talked of William doing remnant experiments, soul experiments, maybe even agony experiments. That's how we get the theory the original 5 souls may have ended up in Funtime Freddy and Ballora and eventually in Molten Freddy and The Blob. But would William really have stuck to the same handful of souls, especially as he seemingly didn't want to mess with his daughter? Why not get a larger sample size, recreate the suffering? But kids are too risky to go after, he's done that twice and gotten away by the skin of his teeth. People care about kids, but what about poor working class blokes? Transients? People no one would notice if they suddenly were to vanish.
I'm of the belief the FNAF 1 location, Bear themed restaurant and all, is a honey pot. It's a trap. It would certainly explain things like the door design and power supply. Transients, Desperate people, poor workers down on their luck, read a newspaper ad, dead in a few days, stuffed and ready for testing. This theory predates the Movie, but the Movie absolutely backs it up with him encouraging people to take the job. The location may have closed in 92/93, but the FNAF 2 ending and Phone Guy lines suggest it may have opened up far sooner than that, within a year of the FNAF 2 location closing. Dozens of men could have died there before the place finally closed at 'years end' a few weeks after Micheals run.
And seemingly it didn't work. Maybe because the suffering wasn't enough. Maybe these men lacked the hope to hold on that the kids did, drained by a terrible life prior. Or maybe it's simply because The Puppet had cottoned on and wasn't going to help bring anyone back. Not anymore.(We know they were at the FNAF 1 location, both from the timeline and the FNAF 2 cutscenes, yet we never see them. Curious). So eventually as the place shut down William decided to take a closer look at the originals. Break them up, study their bits, perhaps reuse them. What made them special? And it would explain why that original remnant kept being re-used, the circumstances were specific and it was so hard to get more. They were no longer needed as unintentional killers.
And Sister Location? Which most people place next to FNAF 1 in the timeline(either before or after depends). While it's not as blatant, it's the only other location with HINTS of prior guard fatalities. Plus the two technitions. Curious then this is the one place we know was fully a William operation.
Ok, here's the bit of a stretch part.
Phone Guy. The eternal enigma. Leading candidate to be the Purple Guy for over a year. We know he was innocent, and in hindsight it was kind of obvious from the start(The FNAF 2 phonecalls very clearly tell us it's the Dayshift Guard/Former Nightguars, and they aren't the same person as Phone Guy. Heck they trick Phone Guy). But he's definitely sketchy. He helps hide what's going on in the FNAF 2 location, covers up Springsuit fatalities, organizes the saferooms being sealed, and knows very well what's happening to all the guards at the FNAF 1 location. He's not a killer, but he is a diehard company loyalist who has been complicit in and helped cover up numerous crimes. Bit of a toadie.
And we also have evidence William has blackmailed and threatened people more than once. He got the Funtime Designs past those execs who knew what they were for. SOMEONE was arrested in the 80s for the MCI and it clearly wasn't him. (Henry is the prime theory as it explains a bunch of other things, but back in the day a popular option was 'the guy in the foxy costume from Foxy Go Go' or 'One of the other bullies from Fnaf 4).
This coo-coo banana pants theory is that Phone Guy was essentially strong-armed into being William's igor and right hand man in running the FNAF 1 location, handling the logistics of the new hires and managing the clean ups. Phone Guy is a toadie to start with(as shown above) and William could easily threaten to either frame him for the DCI/Save Them, or just leak all the audio of Phone Guy covering up various deaths on behalf of Fazbear over the years(probably edited to relieve William of any blame). The tapes were in the same room as Springbonnie, he has access to them. That would explain why Phone Guy, while not being THE killer, is clearly involved in so much nasty business. Toadie to William to the end, especially when being credibly threatened.
It would also explain why in FNAF 1, despite towing the line and never fully telling you to 'leave and never come back' or something sensible like that, he does TRY to give subtle hints to either help you out or warn out without crossing the line. His previous deeds were very impersonal and detatched, he was the middleman, not the cause. Now he's directly involved like never before, he can't write off the blame in his mind anymore, "only following orders" is a lot harder when you're there in person and leading people to their deaths directly. (BTW, great title for a Phone Guy theory video. Only Following Orders). So he's trying desperately to get some warnings out in-between dismissing them and legal jargon and lying to you about the cause of the malfunction.
This would also explain his fate. While Phone Guy had nominally been a guard since the place opened(as indicated by his FNAF 2 dialogue), it was obviously more of a training role, head guard, served only on paper in a lot of ways. He wasn't doing it weekly for all those years. But I'm guessing his disobediance and evidence of trying to sneak out warnings eventually came to Williams attention. Which combined with the fact all the experiments were not working out and William was probably getting angry...he sent Phone Guy to do things in person, and ensured he'd never come back. After all, who told Phone Guy with such confidence that this would be his...'last week'.
(I have a few more details and side oddity to add if your curious, but the 1992 tangent is all the tangents I'm affording myself in a first post. I just really get annoyed at that one)
I like this theory. Scott seems to be making FNAF 1 into an already closed abandoned building where Afton would use the animatronics to kill more people for some purpose. I'm not entirely sure if the restaurant in the games is still opened and set to close by the end of the year as it says in the newspapers. It seems like the restaurant is opened in the game and only a couple to a few months from closing but going off of the movie and the silver eyes, the place has probably been long closed.
We are getting a phone guy book later this year so maybe the book will reveal that phone guy had more to do with William than we think.
@@Sethxiety I’d hVe zero issue with you using my theory for a video
@@Sethxiety couple other things to add on both sides.
Phone Guy has a single line of dialogue never featured in any game. From the opening of the FNAF 2 trailer. "Well if you're hearing this then, chances are you've made a very poor career choice."
Almost like it was never allowed out. Maybe this was what William found that finally broke the camels back?
How exactly did Phone Guy know he was on his last week? Did someone tell him? Perhaps he didn't fully comprehend what was meant by...last week. And then on November 4th 199X(2 or 3, as I've said, most people say 3, but the evidence says it's 2 and 3 was due to a misunderstanding Matpat caused) he dies, seemingly to Chica based on the audio clues.
Heck if you really want to get crazy you could say Phone Guy's death is what finally prompted the place to close 'by years end'(so right before the X-Mas holidays in either December 92 or 93), as without him William couldn't manage the logistics anymore, thus he resorted to utterly destroying the originals for further testing until he eventually got himself into a position to be killed(whenever that was, probably 1994ish).
Maybe that's also why Micheal showed up then and specifically then. William probably would have told Phone Guy to on no uncertain terms keep out any weird smelly guys who looked remotely like his son(especially if this is after the events of Sister Location which I think is the common idea now.), but in the chaos with him gone he could easily slip through the cracks. There aren't a lot of people both morally dubious enough to do this and that William has enough dirt on to keep loyal, really just Micheal who's already gone rogue at this point.
Plus it fits tonally. It's another example of William's poor choices ruining his plans, he killed one of the only two people he could realistically control because they were getting uncomfortable at the mass murder. Plus Phone Guy's punishment is fitting. A painful death, but not full blown fires of hell like Willy got.
There are flaws and stretches(the whole phone guy side of things). The two most common complaints I've heard are "William never ran the FNAF 1 location" and "Henry was never framed."
The latter isn't really important to the main theory other than helping eliminate Henry as an owner(and there are other ways to do that), and even in the crazier Phone Guy sub-theory still works fine as long as SOMEONE had been framed in the past(which 100% happened, someone was convicted for the MCI) and even WITHOUT ANY FRAMING, it still probably works because we know for 100% William had access to incriminating tapes. They were in the safe room next to Springbonnie.
The former is...well I do sort of get the sentiment, we know William seemingly wasn't super involved in the FNAF 2 location at least directly. But I have to ask, ok, who is running it then? Who else has a motive to allow this sort of mass guard death to occur? Henry sure doesn't, Micheal doesn't, and a faceless corporate entity without morals ala the ones running the Pizzaplex would see the income-spending graph and just torch the building for the insurance. You cover up deaths when you have a successful thriving operation, you don't spend thousands doing it on a failing crumbling restaurant that's dumb. No one else makes sense, BUT William. And experiments are the best motive given, AT THE LATEST, he learned about what was going on with the animatronics in 87 after Save Them and his Nightshift work, and possibly earlier. He absolutely was working on this stuff by the early 90s.
And the movie thing backs it up, parallels between things in this franchise date back to the novels. The theory predates the movie, my version predates the movie by a good year(and it's based on older versions by people like BlackFootFerret, though his was a lot more crazy and tied to his other crazy theories...that guy's theories are nuts, but he had a weird trend of getting specific details right WAY ahead of time. He predicted mad science and soul harvesting and the company being run by a duo all the way back in FNAF 3, and predicted both souls being split into multiple suits and two souls sharing a suit right after FNAF 4. He also predicted Afton chasing immortality around this time.).
Afton in the movie IS baiting people into taking the job for his own purposes with the goal of getting them killed. Sure in the movie it's for a more simplistic goal of 'more murder', but in the games his goals are more complex so the game equivalent would be more complex. And in the movie he fills both the role of himself and Phone Guy in the games, so a game equivalent would likely involve both of them.
I've been pitching the combo theory ("FNAF 1 is a front for remnant harvesting rather than a proper business" and it's associated "Phone Guy was being forced to work with William in the early 90s" theory) since 2022 or 2021, and I want to see just one video on it before that Phone Guy book comes out. Please, you can just take everything I gave you. I don't even need credit. I just want it out there.
If you need titles, "Bear Trap" or "FNAF 1: The Bear's Honeypot" for the first theory, and "Phone Guy: Only Following Orders" for the second sub theory.
Holy crap I will never understand FNAF lore :') I'm still kinda confused. What does DCI mean first of all? Dead childrens incident? I still don't really get how the MCI possess the toys, even if they're used from the old animatronic parts I don't really get how they can possess the toys and the old ones. Ugh idk I can never understand these things. It's too much for my tiny brain lol. Someone please try to explain this to me without making it too confusing
Ok, I’ll try :) in the novel trilogy, William had cobbled together the original 4 animatronics together, melted them down and injected them into the Funtime animatronics causing them to be possessed by the kids. Basically if you put haunted metal into other animatronic that’s not haunted, it’s possible for that animatronic to become haunted by that spirit.
As a side note I no longer believe the toys are haunted by the missing children but by the fnaf 2 kids, DCI (Dead Children’s Incident)
If you have any other questions feel free to ask :)
Also here’s my new interpretation for the toys possession and the ‘save them’ minigame:
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The FNaF 2 Night 1 call starts with Phone Guy saying something about a new "Summer" job and the main gameplay happens in November, per the paycheck. So the DCI COULD possibly still be the spirits in the Toys.
I don’t know why he says summer job when fnaf 2 was only open for a few weeks
@@Sethxiety hmmmm, true. Maybe that was an oversight from Scott?
@FrenchFrey18 most Likely
No. They're not.
How come you think that?
@@Sethxiety Phone Guy said it. If the robots are in quiet place, they think they are in the wrong room and follow sounds
That’s just a lie that fazbear uses to explain away the paranormal stuff as glitches in the system. Or it’s their explanations as to why the characters misbehave as they’re not sure why. Phone guy gives a reason as to why the FNaF 1 characters move because their servos lock up if they don’t which is just not true. They move because they’re possessed.
@@Sethxiety But there's not evidence that Toys are really possessed
Literally
I swear to God, the worst thing the FNaF series ever did was wanting to explain the science and mechanisms of ghosts and possessions like this was Ghostbusters or something
I disagree. The concept of remnant is really cool to me. IMO remnant is just simply a name for the paranormal. The science behind it is just an explanation it doesn’t take away from what it is
@@Sethxiety nah, you see, here's the thing: intrinsically, it's really cool. But to me, it's something that explains something that didn't need to be explained. I mean, do you need to know about the science of ghosts in a ghost story about a spirit that possesses a statue?
And the worst part to me isn't even that they explain it, it's how poor of a job they do. I can't tell if remnant is meant to be soul juice or memories in liquid form. I mean, according to the books, ghosts aren't actually spirits, but rather, they're "living recordings of people", they're projections of a deceased one as how they were remembered by someone before they died, but in a sentient incorporeal form. But not an actual soul.
And that's the thing, this is a really cool idea for an alternative take on how ghosts work. And yeah, it isn't even a main thing in the games, it's something that you're just retroactively aware of when you play them. It's only a main focus on the books, which makes sense, books are great for lengthy exposition, better than games at least. But the way I've seen folks talk about it, it feels like you _have_ to understand remnant and agony to even understand what's going on in the games when it comes to haunted stuff, like the Blob or whatever its name is now.
And besides that, when I think of FNaF, I think of cheap pizzeria animatronics possessed by children who never got a chance to grow, tragic victims of a murder. I don't think about sci-fi explanations about how ghosts work. I'm just here to be spooked by a ghost, maybe see a more human story about humans trying to empathize with them (which to be fair, the books did end up going there), I'm not here to know if it has a digestive track or not.
The less you know about something, the scarier it seems to you. And so, we want to learn about everything. Because the more you know about something, the less scary it seems to you. The mere concept of remnant and how it's handled seems to contradict that basic idea.
But to be fair, the shift into sci-fi with Sister Location was already one I was not fond of in the first place. Metal wire endoskeletons, face plates, robots designed to murder kids, the Purple Guy being an evil scientist focused on immortality... I like that kinda FNaF stuff for what it is, but it's not what I prefer to see in FNaF games and media. Heck, that's why I was into the FNaF movie so much, despite the fact it wasn't very scary.
@Mike14264 yeah that’s fair. The less you know the scarier it is. But remnant is basically the emotions and memories of someone either projected onto an object or an accurate spiritual entity. Remnant is just what a spirit is, it’s very similar to the stone tape theory and ectoplasm. But yeah I get what you mean
@@Sethxiety when it comes to FNaF, I feel like less really is just more. And when you want to have more instead of less, it's gotta be well handled. As a cheeky example I'm sure many would disagree with me on, FNaF 2's gameplay is pretty weak. 11 animatronics, and only two a them actually do something different. Security Breach is huge and I see why so many folks really like it, but even ignoring the bugs and glitches, and the potential it could've had when we look at all the cut areas and content, it's hard to deny that the gigantic scope of the Pizzaplex was way more than what the devs could manage to bite and chew.
And it's funny, I honestly really like the idea of the Pizzaplex, and the more I hear about some of the theories, the more I like it. It's disconnected enough from the original games that I can really like it not just for what it is, but as a part of the series - a fresh new take on the series in fact. The idea that the original games were just... actual games within the world of Help Wanted and Security Breach can allow folks to make a brand new story from scratch. Because I _am_ a sci-fi fan! I just thought that having stuff like Sister Location in the main series was just dissonant. So, have they succeeded in making a cool new story? I mean...
...maybe we're getting there? I still can't tell if the Mimic was always intended to be the villainous force, trying to emulate the killings found in the in-universe FNaF games... or if they just pulled the idea out of their ass once they realized folks didn't like Burntrap all that much. And I'm sorry, unless they have a reason for Vanessa to still be Vanny so they can use her again, then lemme tell ya, the entirety of Vanny's potential was all lost, plain and simple.
@@Sethxiety stone tape theory? Well that's new...
And I mean... Is it that similar to ectoplasm? Memories of someone being projected into an entity isn't exactly the same as that someone's actual soul lingering in our plane of existence. One is a biased copy of a dead person, while the other is the pure and true essence of said dead person. Maybe it's just me, but these two ideas are vastly different.
Edit: oh yeah, I forgot that some theories about hauntings are that they're just recordings of tragic events that happened in the past. Well, it's a theory whose idea I really do enjoy... assuming that it isn't the only type of haunting. If it were, well, that would just be kinda disappointing to me, and by that standard, I can't say I'm too fond of it. Still, I can see now why remnant being what it is can make more sense.
To me the Toy Animatronics being possessed never lined up with me. I don't care how many people believe it, it just doesn't make sense to me.
There's a notable Missing Child Incident in which FIVE (5) 👋 children went missing. And this is seen as only one incident. If there were another batch of kids that went missing, it would've definitely popped up at some point. "MCI 2" or something. 9-10 kids going missing within a decade is a guaruntee to shut down any establishment for good.
I think that the old animatronics were abandoned and replaced by the toys, THEN the MCI happens during/just before the events of 2 (the withereds were left to rot, spare parts being rarely used after the first few times, no one would notice if kids got stuffed inside). And the Toys are either William tampering with the security system to prevent people from noticing what he's doing, Charlie affecting their programming to attack any security guard (or William/Mike if they really are the player(s) of 2), or the spare parts used for them were already possessed and influences their programming.
Also, I never really see it mentioned anymore, and idk how many people really believe/care anymore, but I really really like the idea MatPat had about Mangle being possessed by Sally's dog. It just makes so much sense to me. Even if it is disproven or objectively wrong, I decide to believe it.
Fair but the books have established multiple times the MCI took place in 85 not 87 and phone guy in 2 mentions the smell coming from the withered in night 1 iirc.
1: the MCI take a place in 1985 not 1987 lol
2: the toys are possessed and that's final get over it
The dead children incident is canon over wise Evan/ crying child doesn't exist because he is only mentioned in fnaf 4 never again in the franchise
@@EmileDangervilplus we see a set of dead kids in fnaf 2 and didn’t we also see a set of dead kids in fnaf 1 if so that also shows there are 2 sets of dead kids
I’m excited to see the toys in the Fnaf 2 movie because most likely we will get more answers to small details like this and the bite
short answer: yes
Well, no but yes. They're being puppeteered by Charlotte, which in its strictest sense, is posession. But they're not individually controlled by different souls, and they might even be influenced by Agony. The Whithered's on the other hand are, tho they might have influence over the Toy aninatronics as well
The Puppet and Mangle are obviously possessed but i have a theory for Toy Bonnie being possessed. So Golden Freddy’s spirit (Cassidy) has a LOT of agony. That agony was used to create Shadow Freddy. Theres also Shadow Bonnie which probably was made in the same way as Shadow Freddy BUT Shadow Bonnie looks like Toy Bonnie instead of Withered Bonnie. So my theory is that theres another vengeful spirit like Cassidy inside of Toy Bonnie. Thats it. Another toy that may be possessed is Balloon Boy because if he isn’t then why is there a Phantom Balloon Boy? But for Balloon Boy theres barely any evidence of him being possessed. Idk if Toy Freddy or Toy Chica is possessed because theres barely anything to work off of for those two.
Wait when toy chica activated at night she can be seen with no beak the the most important part is why does toy freddy and toy chica have the black eyes aren't the black eyes for animatronics who have souls🤨
My theory is that the toys were duo possessed with the dci and mci kid but i dont think that’s true
Yes all of them all could be possessed by ghosts at any time fnaf is supernatural paranormal ghost to
Was 26
Now 36
This in reference to your age? Yeah it's wild
Well, Marionette is possessed and I think it might be a toy animatronic since it looks like one and every other animatronic from Fnaf 2 is either a withered animatronic, shadow animatronic, or a toy animatronic. (And Marionette obviously isn’t a shadow or withered animatronic.)
The puppet was created before the toys so I don’t think it’s considered apart of that group of animatronics
maybe, just maybe, fritz smith is william afton, not micheal, fritz is more professional than mike, he tampers with the toys facial recognition, the "odor" must be because fritz encountered withered freddy in save them, phone guy references the withereds having the "smell"
fritz only works custom night and is fired. on his pink slip it says 3rd employee to be in that shift. cant be William if he used the "yellow one" (golden freddy) and now none of the animatronics are acting right.
@@luluu0101So whats the point of the tampered line from phone guy, Mike cant be fritz because it makes the plot of fnaf 1 useless, wasnt the plot of fnaf 1 about mike discovering why the animatronics are acting weird? And how does mike already knows all the mechanics without a unique phone call
This a very good video. Also it is funny how you so much lead everything to toys being possessed but in the end you say they are not.
Since you say that Shadow Bonnie is the agony of DCI, then what if Shadow Freddy is the agony of MCI?
What do you mean? I think they are possessed. I just don't think they are possessed by the MCI anymore. (but would like to act in ignorance of). But yeah shadow bonnie i believe was created out of the dci. I actually think the mci birthed Eleanor from frights and shadow Freddy was created from the bite of 83
And thank you for watching and glad you enjoyed the video
@@Sethxiety oh I just confused it guess lol.
I think shadow freddy would make more sense to be from mci cause I think scott did not think of the bite of 83 during fnaf 2 development. There was only bite of 87, though we could say that he did use a golden freddy jumpscare in fnaf 1 for 1987, but in fnaf 2 the bite probably happens at the end of the week and I think we can see shadow freddy before that, but I am not sure on that though that needs to be checked.
Random theory but Do the mci victims share a birthday because if it’s their happiest day it should be shared maybe that is the reason William picked them
No they don’t. Happiest day is just a term used to describe the spirits experiencing a happy memory allowing them to be free from their agony and move on.
Thank you for this!!
I was arguing about this with Kane Carter on Twitter, but I was too lazy to actually write almost everything you described here
lol you’re welcome 😊
What's the difference between the MCI and DCI? I know MCI is an acronym for "missing children's incident", but what's DCI?
DCI stands for dead children’s incident.
@@Sethxiety I see. I assume the DCI are the dead bodies in the save them mini-game. Because I personally believe the DCI do possess the toy animatronics and they never got their happiest. Because we never hear from the DCI ever again past FNAF 2, nor do we ever hear from the toy animatronics again as well in future games. Aside from Mangle maybe, who appears as a phantom in FNAF 3, and can be seen in Elizabeth's room in one of the FNAF 4 cutscene mini-games. But really, I still wanna know all these years later what happened to the toys and the DCI after FNAF 2. I personally believe they never got their happiest day.
@@Mickelraven In all honesty, I think my opinion on this theory has changed. However, if they are possessed by the DCI I believe they were either set free after they were scrapped or in the FNAF 3 fire as their parts were in the attraction.
I want them to be in molten Freddy then they would have burned in fnaf 6 and were set free
What i'm curious about is if they want to make another kid one of them, why has that never happened up until abby shows up? I get its abandoned and everything but why does she need to be one of them? Just revenge?
There might have been other kids and William took the animatronic they possessed away. Or Abby so happened to be the only and perfect one as she had a connection with them and Garrett
Yeah the toy animatronics are a big mystery as to what happened to them. One theory is that they were refused to build the Funtime animatronics in Sister Location.
Because Funtime Foxy looks like Mangle. Yeah some details are different but they were definitely built to look similar.
I don’t think they’re the same character but different versions of the same character if that makes sense
Which is confusing bc the location after the fnaf 2 location was the fnaf 1 location so meaning sister location would have to have been after fnaf 1 or before fnaf 2
I’m confused aren’t the DCI and MCI the same? And if so I do t think one would can possess 2 animatronics
Nope they are different. The MCI is the first set of kids from the original Freddy’s and the DCI is the second in fnaf 2.
It’s possible for spirits to be in two places at once. In fazbear frights Andrew a spirit in the stitchwraith animatronic has his soul split across different objects while also being in the animatronic due to his anger infecting objects.
@@Sethxiety oh, I have no idea how that works but Ok, ( but in my opinion, the toys were put to rest when the location of fnaf 3 burned, much like how fnaf 6 freed its souls)
Ok here is one of the reasons I think the toy animatronics are possessed by the dci so in the save them minigame we have 5 dead children bodies but 6 blood puddles one of them being under a table and that could possible mean that the 6th body that is hidden somewhere we don't know of is suppose to be the soul who possesses jj and mangle is moving around in the minigame because they are probably possessed by susie dog telling by the fact at the same time mangle looks like they are moving like a animal on all fours and the fact that in fnaf ar the endo head that is apart of mangle speaks aswell and not just mangle and also maybe the reason why when we walk into the bodies that the toy animatronics don't jumpscare us is maybe because the soul of that body is maybe now possessing withered freddy because it soul attached to withered freddy I am not saying withered freddy is possessed by 2 souls but I am saying is that he will have two souls possess him if it was canon he walked into one of the dead bodies in the minigame but anyways also one of the dead bodies is close to toy bonnie and one of them is close to mangle so it probably took sometime for one of the toy animatronics to walk into one of the dead bodies and become possessed and also there is this easter eggs where a image would appear in fnaf 2 showing toy bonnie with black eyes or withered foxy with black eyes or withered freddy with black eyes and we know withered freddy and withered foxy are possessed but anyways that is all I had to say I tried my best to make it make senses to you as possible and all but anyways uh yeah have a good day and thank you for reading this comment if you did
Interesting. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment :)
@Sethxiety No problem anytime if I can and also thanks for reading my comment and for hearing my opinion out sorry if some of what I said in that comment did not make that much senses but I am glad you took the time to read it and get ideas from it anyways have a good day and I will watch your content and subscribe to you 😁
Ive been thinking about this all day
lol. Just to let you know I no longer believe this to be the case unfortunately. I made a short addressing it with save them in the title
Two words...
Security measures it's been confirmed
If you mean this is the reason why the toys act up then I disagree agree
@@Sethxiety phone guy said so In the first phone call of the in FNAF 2 but if you wanna keep on with your theory then go ahead who am I to say your wrong because in my opinion them being possessed just doesn't make sense
@Lifeisabitch7 I’m not trying to attack you for your theory or anything you’re allowed to have your own opinions too :)
this is an insanely underrated video
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed
I’m not really educated with the fnaf lore but when was a dci introduced
The DCI are just the second batch of kids from the fnaf 2 location. The MCI happened 2 years prior. They’ve been there since FNaF 2
@@Sethxiety thanks
@@Durrsun no problem 😊
The dci could've possessed molten freddy since its implied its possessed but kind of a stretch i guess
I don't believe it's possessed by the DCI. The gravestone ending in FFPS implies it's the MCI
@@Sethxiety good point tho Elizabeth was also there and she didn't get a grave
@@Sethxiety molten mci is impossible
1. HOW THE HELL DID THEY KILL Afton in night 5
2.in fnaf 3 bad ending we see they are still tied with there original animatronics
3. If we are using the candy cadet for this then there is 6 souls in molten Freddy if you include crying child
@EmileDangervil 1 and 2) soul splitting.
3) Crying Child does not possess Golden Freddy he died in a hospital. What is attached to the animatronics of him is memories or fragments of him. Also the gravestone ending heavily implies the MCI are at the fnaf 6 location and the only place they could be is Molten Freddy.
or, hear me out, they got remnant from parts used to repair them from the withered.
Agony not remlent
@@andreix4025 they have both at this time since will is not dead yet
@@codywarner1195 agony gives any toy or animatronic to move or act human Like
The MCI happened in Fnaf 2 as the Fnaf 1 newspaper clippings are out of date as the restaurant itself is on the verge of ruin and structural collapse phone guy even states your week will be the restaurant's last. Fnaf 6 lorekeeper ending even proves once and for all that William Afton ONLY had 5 victims at 1 birthday party with Charlotte Emily being taken way beforehand and the constant shuffling of parts between multiple animatronics mostly due to Henry's waste not wanting not style of management in his time as CEO of Fazbear entertainment caused multiple sets of fragmented possession which is why he feels so guilty in Fnaf 6 as demonstrated by the voice lines he has in the insanity ending before the intervention of Fazbear entertainment. William's constant tampering and experimentation on these possessed machines denies their spirits rest and Henry unwittingly allowed this to happen for which he feels guilty. Five graves, five victims, 1 party. The recurring theme throughout the Fnaf games. Happiest day in Fnaf 3 is built on this, the bullies in Fnaf 4 match this and the follow me mini games match this, over and over we see the same set of 5 victims and William Afton. The bullies are more of a metaphor of the events to come though as Afton is still Henry's friend in Fnaf 4 as he hasn't attacked Charlie yet.
The books imply the MCI occurred in 1985 both in the silver eyes and in fazbear frights. Scott said to use frights to fill in the gaps of the past of the games.
The MCI happened in the original Freddy’s as we can see with foxy go go go with foxy coming out of pirates cover being classic foxy not withered. In save them they are in a completely different location being the fnaf 2 location with no pirates cove. So there were 2 sets of murders. I just don’t think the 2nd possessed anyone and instead their agony accumulated as shadow Bonnie.
@@Sethxiety at the very least the books that fill in the gaps point to Susie being both mangle and chica. Something that Fnaf 2 custom night 'ladies night' can attest to as ONLY chica and mangle are active there. also according to phone guy prior to the players week the toys had already been fitted with salvaged parts in addition to their updating with security database links. The small problem with the gaps the books fill in is they aren't always cohesive to the games. One example is that the silver eyes version of the original four + golden Freddy is the ONLY version of them in that universe, they never withered or had to be repaired and Charlotte Emily dying never led to the puppet or any saviour being created contradicting any mini game theory as well as attempting to prove it. Fnaf 2 though had to be where the MCI took place though in the games as in it's week there's a spring lock suit theft, a birthday party and a missing security guard no one can explain, all of which were the criteria for the MCI. Also in Fnaf 6 Susie was shown being abducted in an arcade like area while playing on a machine Fnaf 2's pizzeria was the last one open with an arcade area, as by Fnaf 1 the machines were decommissioned and stored in the safe room among other items. You can even see them in the Fnaf 3 final night mini game a whole row of them in fact. The silver eyes also mentioned the restaurant the MCI took place in having a carousel, Fnaf 2 has the only restaurant that has a functioning carousel in its play area/arcade. I'm not against your theory by any means, I'm just trying to say that perhaps the order of actions and their functions may have some minor issues as Afton getting the day shift basically allows him to commit the MCI something that according to Fnaf 1 and the opening section of the silver eyes is long in the past and has haunted the franchise forever since. Fnaf 2 even hosts a lock down and police investigation that are specifically mentioned as part of the MCI. The original books universe also mentions the MCI only happened once too, but then it also doesn't account for the sister location experiments and live abductions involved in that as in the fourth closet these are foiled but in the games they happened without fail. A small note about the foxy minigame is that there's one dead victim that stands out in sharpness there and that this seems to have some significance to foxy, like a memory perhaps. Fnaf 3 shadow Bonnie may be different to Fnaf 2 animatronic shadow Bonnie as this figure gives Charlotte the cake she needs to perform the happiest day and save the crying child. This implies a connection to Michael Afton as he is his father's shadow and rxq in this mini game is portrayed as a shadow of Springtrap.
@@Sethxiety another minor note is that game timeline wise Fnaf 2 restaurant opening works with 1985 as Fredbear's franchised out at the end of fnaf 4 and the original unwithered characters were a part of that restaurant according to the TV in Fnaf 4 meaning two years could easily have granted them their own restaurant before they withered and tragedy struck. Also there's a theory video regarding the survival log book that might be of interest in this regard, it uses a portion of the book to map out the timeline of fnaf 3 and uses a 'real value' equation to demonstrate the time jump between it and Fnaf 2 that might be worth looking into to add to your theory.
@AloneTheorist I’m not against what you’re saying either you bring up some interesting points. But to clarify what I was saying. The silver eyes trilogy is in a separate continuity and one that does not line up with the games narrative. The save events occur but differently. In the ultimate guide it says The novel trilogy offers an insight into Henry’s and William’s friendship as well as mechanics such as remnant and iirc dates. Frights for the most part doesn’t line up with the games either but the stitchwraith epilogues and stories connected to them seem to be within game continuity imo. Also in the save them minigame withered Freddy is moving around the fnaf 2 establishment with all five bodies of the dead children there not in the animatronic suits. Which we know them being stuffed was the reason for their possession.
Fnaf 2 opened in 1987. The place was open for 2 weeks then closed after the bite. It’s said in the newspaper at the end of the game. The paycheck has 1987 as the year.
It's unlikely that the toys even have parts of the withereds since the toys are obviously made out of different materials and also let's not forget that Phone Guy only says the the withereds were being used for parts, but doesn't specify what were these parts used for.
Tbf what else would the parts be used for?
@@SethxietyAnything in the pizzeria?
@@wutrudoin5431 ig. To me it’s a bit weird that animatronic parts would be used on other pieces of machinery but eh
@wutrudoin5431 I don’t know why I just thinks a bit odd that animatronic parts wouldn’t be used for animatronic parts. But yeah nah I get it
@@Sethxiety The withereds endos don't seem to have been used for the toys.
What’s mci and dci
Missing children's incident
Dead children's incident
Hasnt it been long speculated that fnaf 2 happens before fnaf 1?
Confirmed but yes
@@Sethxiety then did the dead children's incident happen before the mci?
@@ariacharizard9121 No. The DCI happened after the MCI. The MCI happened in 1985, which has been a year associated with the MCI across the novels and Fazbear Frights. The DCI happened in 1987 when FNAF 2 takes place. :)
@Sethxiety ah OK, thanks for the clarification. Great video btw I really like your point on shadow Bonnie I think that's a super valid and intresting take
@@ariacharizard9121 No problem! And thank you!
Great video!
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wouldnt they still be walking around to this date if they were possessed?
The toys were scrapped when the fnaf 2 establishment closed. And the souls were either set free because of that or when the toy scraps in 3 were burnt in the location.
@@Sethxiety wheres the proof tho? (just wondering)
Proof they were possessed or proof they were set free?
@@Sethxiety set free
@@Sethxiety set free
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Not sure about that but thank you 😅
Beautiful interpretation on Shadow Bonnie, still one of the biggest mysteries in this franchise thats so rarely brought up. I can think of maybe two videos that talk on him and neither hit like that did.
Thank you!! I appreciate that
I think the toys don’t need a happiest day because they are scrapped at the end of them game, they are scrapped, meaning their end is are melted down and they are freed.
Overall I believe that in the first nights they are alive from remnant, shadow Bonnie is the spring Bonnie suit fused with agony, and in the later nights they are fully possessed
Yeah I think they were freed either when they were scrapped or in the fire of 3