The border town that 'forgot' it was part of the US - BBC News

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  • @bennywong9857
    @bennywong9857 Год назад +1403

    "The river doesn't separate people. We're still brothers. We're still, you know, we're all just people." This really touches my heart!

    • @joshuataylor3550
      @joshuataylor3550 Год назад +15

      Unless you can't swim.

    • @beautifulempatheticliberal5204
      @beautifulempatheticliberal5204 Год назад +14

      As an empathetic, feminine and liberal minded progressive I'm proud about not having a country, people or borders of my own. Not only am I unable to properly identify what a European looks like but I'm also not able to define what a woman is. I worship the NHS and diversity as my religion and in my head I tell myself that my thinking is natural and normal globally. I always support whatever the current thing is, whether its vaccines or refugees or BLM or LGBT or climate change or Ukraine.. I'm an anti establishment free thinker.

    • @lanxy2398
      @lanxy2398 Год назад +72

      @@beautifulempatheticliberal5204 you are a grown man who is unemployed

    • @allenhonaker4107
      @allenhonaker4107 Год назад

      Now if we could convince the governor's of Texas Florida and Arizona. But white supremacists and grifters will play up the divisions

    • @meep2253
      @meep2253 Год назад

      @@beautifulempatheticliberal5204 go beg for some social security old incel 😂 that’s what white people love to do. Leach off the taxpayer.

  • @Phiyedough
    @Phiyedough Год назад +271

    I live in a village in Croatia that is on the border with Hungary. The border at some point was defined as the river Drava but river courses change naturally over time, so part of the land is now on the other side of the river. There are 2 chain ferries to take tractors etc to that agricultural land.

    • @istvanpuskas1615
      @istvanpuskas1615 Год назад +1

      Where is hungary

    • @2380Shaw
      @2380Shaw Год назад +1

      Just curious. Do you happen to be Swabian Danube German? I found out my ancestors were Swabian Germans.

    • @varyiaverner
      @varyiaverner Год назад +6

      @@istvanpuskas1615Eastern Europe. East of Austria, west of Romania.

    • @ekesandras1481
      @ekesandras1481 Год назад +11

      @@varyiaverner the guy is called István Puskás, he should know where Hungary is!!!

    • @claudieduran3418
      @claudieduran3418 Год назад

      CROATIAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE FROM HUNGRY .
      With all dew respect.
      Probably have more respect,
      . And can defend themselves politically.
      From each other's disagreements. peacefully and acknowledge each others sides. But that's not the case 🤠 over here. With the US Mexican border crisses crossing 🚸
      WARE you can't understand why the united states'is the More powerful one of the two.
      IT'S dick tater ship to MEXICO, AND RACEST secretively planted society.
      Allowed the open border policy. In the past. 🗣️🗯️ TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO CAN NOT UNDER STAND ANYTHING. .😴🤪😵‍💫🙍
      And gave the wrong 💡🤦🏽‍♀️ idea to the MEXICANS 🌮🌯 who are supposed to be trade agreement 🤝🏻 partner's. Do THEINGS that any body. Out of there mind. ORE in THERE right mindset. Eather Way would not do.

  • @leftyken
    @leftyken Год назад +987

    What you forgot to mention is that the border changes as the river changes, unless the change to the flow is done by a human agency without the consent of both governments. When the water company cut their channel, that was a change made without permission, so it did not affect the actual border. The problem was that even though the company was ordered to install border markers they neglected to do that and people just forgot that Rio Rico was actually in the USA.

    • @YouTubeSaysThereCantBeTwoRyans
      @YouTubeSaysThereCantBeTwoRyans Год назад +131

      When you get more information from a random RUclips comment, than you got from the actual video.

    • @vintagethrifter2114
      @vintagethrifter2114 Год назад +20

      One speaks the truth while the other speaks a narrative.

    • @kendellfriend5558
      @kendellfriend5558 Год назад +23

      @@TylerMarkRichardson that’s not what the comment said. Rio Rico thought they were Mexican when in reality they were supposed to be US citizens because the company never actually marked the border.

    • @zwj5478
      @zwj5478 Год назад +9

      Thank you I don’t need to watch the video

    • @andromedamessier3176
      @andromedamessier3176 Год назад +14

      Honestly! Funny. In Asia, we hate each other gut cause this country claim this town is theirs and the border country claim it is theirs. It is literally a number 1 disputed that almost turn to war a few times. But then here the US literally forgot the entire town is actually theirs! Bruh

  • @enriquegonzaga3865
    @enriquegonzaga3865 Год назад +255

    Locals call the border "La Frontera"...
    And locals call the river "Rio", call the day "Día", call the Church "Iglesia" and call the night "Noche" and so on.

    • @3506Dodge
      @3506Dodge Год назад +17

      Many locals in this region speak English often.

    • @RightNextDoor-ey9xf
      @RightNextDoor-ey9xf Год назад +8

      🤣

    • @lebraza
      @lebraza Год назад +26

      I had this exact thoughts lmao

    • @cabbastyles.
      @cabbastyles. Год назад +8

      Lmaoo

    • @LoveyK
      @LoveyK Год назад +6

      Most people down here speak English & Spanish.

  • @realhawaii5o
    @realhawaii5o Год назад +93

    Saying that locals call it "la frontera" is like saying that french locals in the Pyrenees call the border "la frontière" 😐
    It just means "the border"
    Bruh

    • @marranpa
      @marranpa Год назад +17

      Exactly! The problem is many English speaking people confuse "frontera" with "frontier". "Frontera" means "Border" not captain Picard's "frontier"

    • @emtiel
      @emtiel Год назад +11

      British journalism..

    • @Niemand1947
      @Niemand1947 Год назад +5

      @@marranpa "Frontier" means "Border" in English.

    • @howtoappearincompletely9739
      @howtoappearincompletely9739 Год назад

      @@emtiel Monoglot Anglophone journalism.

    • @kourii
      @kourii Год назад +2

      @@Niemand1947 Not exactly

  • @johnnybounsall579
    @johnnybounsall579 Год назад +83

    What an interesting little doco, thanks for sharing ! The John Deer cowboy dude's words about being brothers really brings it home that we are all humans and that borders have divided not only lands but also people which is sad. ;-(

    • @easytraveljay
      @easytraveljay Год назад +1

      Exactly. It’s all because Americans have better jobs than the Mexicans. If it was the other way around, nothing would have change because people are just nasty to each other because they have nice things.

  • @sykrob693
    @sykrob693 Год назад +71

    “That river doesn’t separate people. We’re still brothers.” Very well said. 🇺🇸 🇲🇽 🫶🏼

  • @Brownmamba8
    @Brownmamba8 Год назад +10

    Im from El Paso and we border Juarez, I cross everyday and you get used to seeing two totally different worlds just 5 minutes from each other.

    • @sewvintage6955
      @sewvintage6955 Год назад +3

      Its interesting driving on the interstate there because you can see both sides at once

  • @yashagrawal88
    @yashagrawal88 Год назад +23

    "Hundreds of Mexicans discovered that they were actually American." - Actually all Mexicans are American ! Not just citizens of USA !

    • @seanthe100
      @seanthe100 Год назад +3

      Mexicans are Latin American yes north American yes but not singularly American

    • @sashalove83
      @sashalove83 Год назад

      Your reply is literally saying the same thing as the comment you are replying too🤔

    • @JPSimen
      @JPSimen Год назад +1

      US american to clarify your ignorance.

  • @WillN2Go1
    @WillN2Go1 Год назад +494

    A similar thing happened in San Francisco. The Chinese Exclusion Act allowed Chinese to enter as laborers but there was no path to permanent status or citizenship. But the 1906 San Francisco Earthquake and fire destroyed the birth records office on MacDonald Street (I think that was the name, it changed later). So my father-in-law's father who had come over to work for Southern Pacific Railroad claimed he'd been born in Chinatown San Francisco. (He quit the railroad and was working without papers in SF.) Because there was no way to disprove this he was allowed to bring his sons over in 1932. The two sons were his real son and another Paper Son. This was one way around the racist Chinese Exclusion Act.

    • @atomicboy8972
      @atomicboy8972 Год назад +3

      Sister Ping would have found a way for you, but she died in a US prison.

    • @kennarajora6532
      @kennarajora6532 Год назад +4

      @@atomicboy8972 she wasn't born at that time yet.

    • @sharknato6572
      @sharknato6572 Год назад +8

      Actually he can be mexican too, because california belongs to Mexico

    • @GoGoPooerRangers
      @GoGoPooerRangers Год назад +27

      @@sharknato6572 You are correct, California was a part of Mexico from 1821 to 1848, before becoming a part of the United States through the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Therefore, a person from California could also potentially identify as Mexican, depending on their individual cultural background and personal identity.

    • @marshalljulie3676
      @marshalljulie3676 Год назад +11

      @@GoGoPooerRangers Texas was part of Mexico too 😂

  • @kellymarsh2266
    @kellymarsh2266 Год назад +424

    I grew up in the Rio Grande Valley, and I crossed the river regularly. Some of the kids I went to school with lived on the other side and traveled back and forth every day. I haven't been to the other sides in over a decade now. It's just not safe unless you have a strong grasp of the language and the local goings-on. Things change on the daily. Shootings and cartle activities are just too crazy. I miss the days of peace and quiet on the river. I miss the feeling that we were all one community. The Valley is kinda separated from the rest of Tx by this big nothing between San Antonio and us, so places like Reynosa and Progeso never seemed like a different country, but now they seem lost to us. 😥

    • @salvador9288
      @salvador9288 Год назад +5

      RÍO BRAVO

    • @arteks2001
      @arteks2001 Год назад +10

      Su texto está en inglés, así que usa el nombre en inglés del río. Si su texto estuviese en español entonces tendría que llamarle Río Bravo, pero no es el caso.

    • @BORN-to-Run
      @BORN-to-Run Год назад +3

      @@arteks2001 Well, Roberto, English and Spanish are the languages of the area.
      Most Americans don't like Mexicans in their country, but this story is every endearing.

    • @G_FRE
      @G_FRE Год назад +12

      ​@@BORN-to-Run Most? That's a very small few. This isn't 1850 anymore.

    • @BORN-to-Run
      @BORN-to-Run Год назад +8

      @@G_FRE I don't know about West Texas, but outside of that area, yes, it's MOST. They don't like it.
      Mexicans were not able to make their own country work, so they illegally poured into our country and now they're our problem.
      It's not fair, and yes, Americans are extremely disgruntled about it.

  • @joshuataylor3550
    @joshuataylor3550 Год назад +49

    The problem with borders on rivers, they change so often.

  • @b.justiceforall9544
    @b.justiceforall9544 Год назад +35

    Mike England has the absolutely the correct outlook "The river doesn't separate people. We're still brothers. We're still, you know, we're all just people." What a great, simple, christian outlook for some of the problems of the border area; we must remember borders are political but people are all human with all the same needs.

    • @stephengolden6080
      @stephengolden6080 Год назад +3

      Hardly exclusive to a so called Christian perspective.😑

    • @stanknugget
      @stanknugget Год назад

      He’s actually Jewish…

    • @stephengolden6080
      @stephengolden6080 Год назад

      @@stanknugget so what?

    • @stanknugget
      @stanknugget Год назад

      @@stephengolden6080 Don’t worry about it. I wasn’t replying to you.

  • @sapincher
    @sapincher Год назад +7

    The folks at Rio Rico woke up one day to a clear blue sky and said "Porque no es todo amarillo?"

  • @TheMELTDOWN911
    @TheMELTDOWN911 Год назад +3

    "The river doesn't separate people. We're still brothers. We're still, you know, we're all just people" only people who were born and live in border towns really understand this, Im 51, was born in a very small town on the Mexican side just about 5 miles from the Rio Grande, when I was a kid we also swim from one side to the other without any issues even with border patrol right there looking at us, everything was so peaceful and innocent, but drugs south to north and weapons north to south really destroyed or peaceful way of living it is actually very sad, I miss the 70's and 80's life on the borders, US and Mexican crossed the border to enjoy the things that could not have in theirs side of the country, now 2023, only Mexicans cross to visit the malls and mega stores in the US side but Americans rarely cross to Mexican side as is unfortunately unsafe, Thank GOD my Dad was born in the US side so for that reason I became Us citizen and my Mom too, we live in the US side but always look back to Mexican side and a tear comes out of our eyes.... We LOVE and are ver loyal to the USA but we also LOVE and very loyal to Mexico that is the way it is and should be understood

  • @2332Stephen
    @2332Stephen Год назад +4

    I learned more on RUclips than I ever did in school

  • @scotmark
    @scotmark Год назад +131

    Fascinating, especially the bit about which bedroom you were born in. I wonder if there were any cases where the mother's waist was on the border line during birth, so she was of one nationality and her child the other, and she didn't realise she could have had the bed turned around... 😼

    • @buhingkalbaryo
      @buhingkalbaryo Год назад +17

      or the baby is half american and half mexican because the bedroon is in the center

    • @Dungshoveleux
      @Dungshoveleux Год назад +20

      How to get dual nationality by birth. The kid could be potus!

    • @rydplrs71
      @rydplrs71 Год назад +5

      If the mother is American, or if the child was born in the USA then the child eligible for US citizenship too. I’m not sure how Mexican law works.

    • @Meow99999
      @Meow99999 Год назад

      A coin toss 🥸, heads or tails.

    • @jayjack6299
      @jayjack6299 Год назад

      What if the mother was on the lying down on the border parallel to it? Would that make the right side of the baby Mexican and the left American? Screw quantum Physics, this is the question we need to know the answer to!!

  • @dmarcouxbeatty374
    @dmarcouxbeatty374 Год назад +3

    I love little tidbits of history like this. Thank you.

  • @johnstirling6597
    @johnstirling6597 Год назад +11

    OMG, nobody tell Marjorie Taylor Green, she might want to invade.😂😂

  • @Christus-Veritas
    @Christus-Veritas Год назад +22

    *Before people get on their high horse and complain that the US took Texas, California and other areas by war from Mexico they should remeber that Mexico took those same lands by war from Spain who in turn took it by war from the Comanche who took it by war from the Apache who were relentlessly brutal to the Navajos and drove them out of their lands in 1754 (and is well documented.) .....They ALL have blood on their hands....even the native Indians!*

    • @billmoyer3254
      @billmoyer3254 Год назад +3

      What about the Irish? I am leery of the Irish.

    • @David53D
      @David53D Год назад +1

      Dude, the true is not something any of us are interested in.

    • @ALCRAN2010
      @ALCRAN2010 Год назад +3

      So your high horse will remain in the barn.
      Noted.

    • @lawtraf8008
      @lawtraf8008 Год назад +5

      So natives took land back from Spanish colonizers who came from Europe ?? How dared they..... Comparing Mexicans taking land back from Spain to white colonizers in "The US" taking territories from Mexicans is the most delusional take I've ever heard.

    • @jeffsmith2144
      @jeffsmith2144 Год назад +4

      ​@@billmoyer3254 They are bloody everywhere!!!! 🤣🤣

  • @raspberries97
    @raspberries97 Год назад +22

    So, if you were born in Rio Rico after the US officially gave up the territory, you can't get the US citizenship in court anymore? The reason why there's much less interest in this town now

    • @dudermcdudeface3674
      @dudermcdudeface3674 Год назад +13

      If one of your parents is American, you are automatically American regardless of where the birth happens. Birthplace only matters if neither of your parents was a US citizen at the time you're born.

    • @GoGoPooerRangers
      @GoGoPooerRangers Год назад +10

      Rio Rico is a census-designated place (CDP) located in Santa Cruz County, Arizona, and is part of the United States. As far as I am aware, the United States has never officially given up the territory of Rio Rico. Therefore, if you were born in Rio Rico, you would be considered a United States citizen as long as you meet the requirements for citizenship under US law, regardless of whether you were born before or after any changes in territorial status.

    • @urieaaron
      @urieaaron Год назад +5

      @@GoGoPooerRangers Wrong Rio Rico. The Rio Rico this video is about is like it says in the video, is now on the other side of the river from Texas in Mexico.

    • @louisliu5638
      @louisliu5638 Год назад

      @@dudermcdudeface3674 No , you need BOTH Americans to be your parents, AND they must have lived at least ten years of their formative life INSIDE the USA. If not, there may be "derivative" citizenship if you grandparents (or even further back) lived in th eUSA during their formative years. Check out Chang & Boos archives in immigration law, Bellingham.

    • @louisliu5638
      @louisliu5638 Год назад

      @@GoGoPooerRangers "derivative" citizenship may also apply here ,but try to 'splain that to border officials!! they'd go "HUH"??

  • @PascalGienger
    @PascalGienger Год назад +2

    Lessons learned: Never use rivers to define borders...
    Afaik there's a similar problem between Switzerland and Italy as the mountain line moves slowly and they defined the border on it

    • @josephwodarczyk977
      @josephwodarczyk977 7 месяцев назад

      Or, let the border change with the rivers. Because rivers are a really really good place to do this normally.

  • @kenc2257
    @kenc2257 Год назад +49

    I remember hearing about this many years ago (lived in Texas in the mid-1970s). Interesting to see this in better detail--a researched and well-documented account of Rio Rico.

  • @rhizonhaze5597
    @rhizonhaze5597 Год назад +26

    Wow...thank you for bringing their story to light. I moved from Africa tobthe US in 2012 and I studied its history as an elective, but I never heard of this, and may never have were it not for your coverage. Thanks 😁

    • @yobabydaddyismine
      @yobabydaddyismine Год назад

      Why don't you people just stay in your shit hole countries. All of you Africans are the same and are just scammers. We don't want you people to do to America what you've done to Europe.

  • @Clancydaenlightened
    @Clancydaenlightened Год назад +73

    7:30 dual citizenship would make sense, probably solve lots of these problems, though it can bar you from certain position in government and military, to a degree...

    • @ToshisanMotonaka
      @ToshisanMotonaka Год назад +8

      Maybe for the other citizenship, but based on US citizenship laws, it supersedes the Secondary.

    • @Clancydaenlightened
      @Clancydaenlightened Год назад

      @@ToshisanMotonaka i know, though sometimes i just want to get german passport, leave teh usa and reenter at a different airport just to see what happens, well might be accused of being some arab terrorist spy, till teh see i have a usa driver's license, DoD #, ssa #, and look at my birth certificate and get pissed and scream at me for a few minutes and probably tell me git teh fuck on and quit fukkin round!

    • @hydroaegis6658
      @hydroaegis6658 Год назад +7

      ​@@ToshisanMotonakaThe IRS wants their cut

    • @louisliu5638
      @louisliu5638 Год назад +3

      @@ToshisanMotonaka particularly since 1978, where having more than one Passport became legal (up until then Israel was the only exception) and the 1997 Immigration Responsibility Act. There's also "derivative" US citizenship and in this town many may qualify that way, though rare.

    • @rol2680
      @rol2680 Год назад +3

      My dad, and uncle both became US citizens by being born in Rio Rico and came to the US to start working, my aunt who also was granted US citizenship stayed in mexico and went to school and became a teacher and is now retired in mexico, kept her dual citizenship and lives in mexico, but can easily cross back and fourth on the border as she pleases.

  • @AverytheCubanAmerican
    @AverytheCubanAmerican Год назад +25

    There's a similar case with Liberland on the Croatian-Serbian border. You see, Croatia claims several bits under Serbian control along the course of the Danube River. The dispute was first brought up in 1947, but it wasn't a problem them as they were both part of Yugoslavia. It only became an issue when Yugoslavia broke apart due to warfare. Serbia holds the opinion that the thalweg of the Danube valley and the center line of the river represents the international border, while Croatia claims it's the border from the 19th century (as in the course of the Danube before it was altered by meandering and hydraulic engineering). As Croatia claims several bits there's one bit on the Croatian side that Croatia says is Serbian, but Serbia doesn't claim it. Thus, no one claimed it as theirs and Czech man Vít Jedlička founded Liberland. Though if you try to enter Liberland, you'll be intercepted by Croatian police.

  • @hansmaier1391
    @hansmaier1391 Год назад +10

    next episode: the border states (california, nuevo mexico, arizona, texas) that "forgot" they were part of mexico

    • @DakotaofRaptors
      @DakotaofRaptors Год назад +2

      Us Texans are well-aware. Infact, we love to gloat about it ;)

    • @yia01
      @yia01 Год назад +2

      @@DakotaofRaptors theres a reason our formal and official letter come in both english and spanish. we proud of our mexican past and are even more proud of our american future. lol

    • @virginiansupremacy
      @virginiansupremacy Год назад

      @@yia01 no your future is mexican again

  • @theewill1483
    @theewill1483 Год назад +32

    It is Not hard to imagine that corporate interests could ever have as dramatic an impact on a U.S. town again!

  • @claraguzman6842
    @claraguzman6842 Год назад +13

    That was interesting as heck. Thank you!

  • @puirYorick
    @puirYorick Год назад +2

    I once heard a Mexican saying: We didn't cross over their border, their border crossed over us.
    Maybe one day we will let humans roam freely the way migratory species do on the landscape. The issues about "security and crime" haven't seemed to improve with the war on drugs and other trafficking. In fact it just raised the profit value and incentives to keep crime happening.

  • @mistermagoo8685
    @mistermagoo8685 Год назад +10

    Borderlands are a strange place they’re usually a mix of the two cultures from each nation

    • @kgizzle92
      @kgizzle92 Год назад +1

      Like every border state of Mexico has had a Governor born in California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas…went to UCLA with a few American born kids who grew up in Tijuana and Mexicali!

    • @mistermagoo8685
      @mistermagoo8685 Год назад

      @@kgizzle92 that’s true around the world though not just with the US and Mexico

    • @Eduard000F
      @Eduard000F Год назад

      That’s why I like to live in a border town…

    • @DakotaofRaptors
      @DakotaofRaptors Год назад +1

      ​@@Eduard000F I guess you can try McAllen, Texas.

  • @Mr.Armandolu
    @Mr.Armandolu Год назад +20

    It reminds me how me as Spaniard always crosses the border into Giblartar to see my friends, yes that's UK territory but doesn't put people away from each other

    • @XXXTENTAClON227
      @XXXTENTAClON227 Год назад +10

      It saddens me that when this problem was finally solved with the EU free movement, now it’s back to square one… ffs. I hope it’s not still too tedious for you to do so

    • @J-IFWBR
      @J-IFWBR Год назад

      @@XXXTENTAClON227 i think people who live next to the border often have some other possibilities then, people from further away.

    • @jeanpierreviergever1417
      @jeanpierreviergever1417 Год назад +2

      My take is that this happens everywhere with land borders. The borders were artificially made and cannot divide people however governments try to promote that. Another thing is that this is perhaps more difficult to understand for many Britons as they have no land border. Just thinking about the NI protocol.

    • @JV-pu8kx
      @JV-pu8kx Год назад +1

      @@jeanpierreviergever1417 This problem exists along the U.S.-Canada border. It one town, Main Street is the border. Walk down one side, you are in the U.S. Cross the road and you are in Canada, in trouble with the Canadian authorities. There is another town where the line goes through their library. There is a community in Washington state where the children go to elementary school there, after that, the school bus has to cross the border, twice, to take the kids to middle and high school. Only other option would be a much more expensive ferry ride. It was cut off during the pandemic.

    • @jeanpierreviergever1417
      @jeanpierreviergever1417 Год назад

      @@JV-pu8kx yes I heard about that. In the Netherlands we have the same on the Belgian border with Baarle Nassau and Baarle Hertog. Frontdoor could be one country, bedroom other country.

  • @ericaruiz3367
    @ericaruiz3367 Год назад +17

    That was beautiful story telling. I am a 19 year old girl living in the valley always searching for our lost history. When I stumbled upon this I couldn’t believe it. Hope more beautiful treasures of our rich history may soon be discovered.

  • @Native_Creation
    @Native_Creation Год назад +73

    Never knew about this. Our families here on the Texas border have old tales of family south of the border, they would go back and forth all the time. To go to the markets or to get freshly made tortillas. Also what separates us Tejanos from other Mexicans (though we're closely tied to Coahuila and Nuevo Leon) is that our indigenous DNA is tied to the territory, our Coahuiltecan ancestors (or Tamaulipecan on this stretch of the Rio Grande), lived on both sides of the border and migrated back and forth depending on the season. Over time, they mixed with the Spanish, Mexica/Tlaxcalan mestizo settlers, and other NA tribes in the 1700s. The only difference is being born on the "right side". People talk about Mexicans coming here, but plenty of Americans go South of the border for tourism and economic opportunities as well. Now many are deciding to stay there despite the inherent dangers.

    • @stanknugget
      @stanknugget Год назад

      Proof?

    • @UrbanOutlaw713
      @UrbanOutlaw713 Год назад +1

      That’s a lil inaccurate and misleading u wouldn’t be speaking of tejanos as a whole but maybe a small portion of the population. My family been in Texas since the 1800s but like most Mexicans we can be traced back to the central Mexican valley in the 1500s during the time of the Spanish reign. Coahilitecan we’re mostly swallowed by border culture to my knowledge. Both me and my wife’s family trace to Coahuila so they’ve always interested me .

    • @yobabydaddyismine
      @yobabydaddyismine Год назад

      You are still a wet back

    • @marcbuisson2463
      @marcbuisson2463 Год назад

      ​@@stanknugget The Tejanos fought the war of texan independance, like anybody else.
      Dumb example, Juan Seguin fought as an officer at Los Alamos, survived and will become mayor of San Antonio and senator to the texan Senate. Though there was an american majority, the locals were as hostile to the centralised government as their neighbours of the Rio Grande Republic (who revolted in 1840), or Zacateca (in 1835). The north of the Mexique has always been very different than the rest of the country, and independance feelings amongst the population were and even are strong to this day.
      There's also a deep fear the the US may americanize a bit too mich the north of the country.

  • @pinkworld9384
    @pinkworld9384 Год назад +9

    It was assumed that it was part of Mexico???
    55 percent of Mexican territory was taken in to possession by the USA. This includes California(Alta) Nevada Texas Utah New Mexico Arizona Most of Colorado parts of Wyoming Kansas and Oklahoma! 🇲🇽 And They Wanted to take Baja California too! Also the battle of Veracruz where the USA wanted possession of it! This battle lasted 7 long months!

    • @ahpjlm
      @ahpjlm Год назад +1

      Yeah and? countries tend to lose territory once in a while especially in war

    • @daltonl8751
      @daltonl8751 Год назад +1

      Not taken. Won in a war. If Mexico had won, it would have taken land, too. Stop talking badly about America.

    • @sashalove83
      @sashalove83 Год назад

      @@daltonl8751 Stop Talking badly about America? You mean the country that was stolen from the Native Americans? The country that kidnapped Africans & brought them to America to be slaves? That America? 🤔

    • @aaronhuang8425
      @aaronhuang8425 Год назад

      Remember the Alamo!

    • @yaztha01
      @yaztha01 Год назад

      ​@@aaronhuang8425 recuerden al virrey Félix María Calleja y Juan Ruiz de Apodaca que los detuvieron en 1813 y 1818 las dos veces trataron de declarar la independencia de texas,recuerden al conde de Aranda y a Carlos III los dos dijeron que usa es enemigo del imperio español también su gobierno y sus ciudadanos,Carlos IV y Fernando VII. Texas tenía una ley que impedía colonizar el territorio con extranjeros provenientes de usa.no les vamos a devolver el cuadro de Texas que tanto quieren porque Texas por ley aún es de México y y la comunidad Internacional ya decidió jugar a usa por ese crimen al violar los principios fundamentales de la jurisprudencia del derecho internacional y casi desaparece a México y sus habitantes.

  • @Evemeister12
    @Evemeister12 Год назад +2

    Building that wall just got more complicated

  • @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un
    @SupremeLeaderKimJong-un Год назад +12

    "Locals call the region around the US-Mexico border La Frontera" Yeah...because they speak Spanish, a language spoken by MANY. English isn't the only language that exists, y'know! Another border irregularity (though a state border rather than an international one) that has occurred because of a river is Kentucky Bend. It is the extreme southwest corner of Kentucky, and surrounded on three sides by the mighty Mississippi River, but it's cut off from the rest of the state via Tennessee. Why?
    The border between the states of Kentucky and Tennessee predates their separation from Virginia and North Carolina, respectively. This boundary, officialized in the Royal Colonial Boundary of 1665, was meant to delimit the overlapping inland areas of the Province of Carolina and the Colony of Virginia. But the bend was created as a result of a series of earthquakes referred to as the New Madrid Earthquakes which took place in 1811 and 1812. These earthquakes measured as high as 8.0, making them some of the largest quakes in the history of the US. Due to this series of earthquakes, the course of the Mississippi River was altered which resulted in its creation.

    • @claudieduran5877
      @claudieduran5877 Год назад

      The united states'is a Dick tator ship to Mexico a satellite country. The united states'is the More powerful one. And being the more powerful one. and then Dick tateing to the 😴 sleeping 💤 GIENT. Which is Mexico. Pass the Buck AROUND AND fooled around with them. Until they went crazy.
      With a bunch of politics and bureaucracy. Ask an AMARECAN who is who.
      They know nothing else about anything else. Except for tacos and burritos 😁
      Ask a 🌮🌯 Mexican 🌯
      🤪 Anything else besides Ware you can get tacos and burritos. They probably don't get as far as Americans who really don't know what is happening with the supposed to be.
      Ali and trade 🤝🏻 partners.
      ONE'S you past iq of 0.
      You will be lucky to find a _,0 Mexican 🌮💤😴

    • @stanknugget
      @stanknugget Год назад

      Proof?

    • @claudieduran3418
      @claudieduran3418 Год назад

      1665 so THERE was people who were resettled here
      From earopen countrys .
      Long before the 1800s
      And not just the colonial 28 states 'the. Buckner's and the pioneer. A mud flood and Earth quick.
      In the 1800s. They took half of Mexico. THEN they resettled a bunch of INDIANS WHO WHERE in the dispute to Mexico.
      That's all so when they predicted the Indians who were resettled in Mexico.
      Which is erailavent thing
      Along with Mexico IT SELF
      Supposed to be Ali
      And trade agreements was supposed to make trade partner's. , No body knows no body cares. Both COUNTRYS. The united states'is the dominant one. Don't even acknowledge
      Each other. .

    • @EliotThexton
      @EliotThexton Год назад +1

      Go watch a documentary on it in Spanish then, no ones asking you to watch this.

  • @EsterStPaul
    @EsterStPaul Год назад +1

    excellent report

  • @fantasticfraggle
    @fantasticfraggle Год назад +8

    I respect those who wish for Scottish independence from the UK. As a Cumbrian (England side of the Scottish/English border), I find Scotland more relatable and identifiable than the wider UK.
    I feel more Cambrian than British and I feel more British than English.

    • @tomcat505
      @tomcat505 Год назад +1

      Exactly, I feel for the countries within grasp of the Union Jack. Here in the states, I feel more Native (red Indian) than English

    • @EliotThexton
      @EliotThexton Год назад

      @@tomcat505 You're American so why would you ever feel English? No ones asking you to feel that way.

  • @carolinam4301
    @carolinam4301 Год назад +10

    “We’re all brothers…” ❤️

    • @honestj820
      @honestj820 Год назад

      Hello how are you doing…?

  • @politicaled7247
    @politicaled7247 Год назад +51

    Now this is the type of content I feel proud to pay my licence fee for. Keep this up BBC News

    • @ritemolawbks8012
      @ritemolawbks8012 Год назад +6

      As a Texan interested in US-Mexico border history, this type of content makes me proud that you pay your BBC license fee as well. Thanks for the free material! 😊

    • @United-States-of-Africa
      @United-States-of-Africa Год назад +2

      It's freeee

    • @user-pn3im5sm7k
      @user-pn3im5sm7k Год назад

      A what? 😂😂😂😂

    • @politicaled7247
      @politicaled7247 Год назад

      What do you think funds the BBC to make content like this free?

    • @politicaled7247
      @politicaled7247 Год назад

      I’m assuming you’re not British then…

  • @luismbenitez145
    @luismbenitez145 Год назад +3

    Wait a minute. The territory of Tejas belonged to Mejico first. The entire Southwest belonged to Mejico first.

    • @stanknugget
      @stanknugget Год назад +1

      And to other people before that. What’s your point?

  • @brandonthefirst
    @brandonthefirst Год назад +1

    The video editor went way overboard with the effects (camera snapping, spooky music, etc.).
    Not to mention the camera effect they used had auto-focus, not even historically accurate for the time covered.

  • @SAPPERBRAVO
    @SAPPERBRAVO Год назад +21

    Imagine telling the Welsh that by technicality their all actually English. 🤣

    • @louisliu5638
      @louisliu5638 Год назад

      all the bus drivers and union business agents I know in Canada would be "gobsmacked" by that. No way they'd want to be associated with all the Brit lawyers in Canada now, and the Scotish salemen and Irish cops.

    • @beanHole-ek3ib
      @beanHole-ek3ib Год назад

      They tried to do it in northern Ireland

    • @andrewgreenhalgh8374
      @andrewgreenhalgh8374 Год назад

      Monmouthshire,anyone?

  • @user-lt8cs3yk1n
    @user-lt8cs3yk1n Год назад

    I wanted to watch this video, but there was so much fidgeting of the camera and unnecessary motion that I had to stop it and resorted to opening another tab so that I could read about it. Please make things like this a bit more pleasant on the eyes.

  • @elizaleroux9173
    @elizaleroux9173 Год назад +49

    It all belonged to Mexico until.. on February 2, 1848, ended the war between the United States and Mexico. By its terms, Mexico ceded 55 percent of its territory, including the present-day states California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, most of Arizona and Colorado, and parts of Oklahoma, Kansas, and Wyoming...

    • @billmoyer3254
      @billmoyer3254 Год назад +18

      and who had it before Mexico? you can play that game back yo the neolithic age.

    • @J-IFWBR
      @J-IFWBR Год назад +28

      @@billmoyer3254 yes you can, but if you claim that every land that is occupied militarily is legitimate property of the occupier, then you can also say russia rightfully owns crimea. So i think its more difficult then it seems.

    • @SmokeyChipOatley
      @SmokeyChipOatley Год назад +22

      @@billmoyer3254 Why are you getting so defensive? Everything they said is absolutely true. And our country belonged to the indigenous tribes of North America before we forcibly took it from them too. Nobody is saying that land should be returned. I’m sure you wouldn’t be so pedantic arguing semantics if the situation was reversed. You’d be cursing the Mexicans for stealing our land.

    • @ralado31
      @ralado31 Год назад

      @@SmokeyChipOatley tHe MeXiCaNs ArE tAkInG oUr JoBs!

    • @edmundooliver7584
      @edmundooliver7584 Год назад +5

      @@billmoyer3254 spain than natives from Mexico and America, Mexicans many are native or part native, Mayan and Aztec that how corn, squash, beans and turkeys was spread to the north and canada

  • @Piemasteratron
    @Piemasteratron Год назад

    This was really interesting, but the camera shutter & focussing was really distracting

  • @fortablet2933
    @fortablet2933 Год назад +3

    Well done informative video. The camera stuff was annoying

  • @taniajennifer4717
    @taniajennifer4717 Год назад +2

    My dad was a border patrol agent station in Rio Rico.

    • @Garrettray1372
      @Garrettray1372 Год назад

      Hello
      How are you
      Greetings From America 🇺🇸

  • @earthn1447
    @earthn1447 Год назад +9

    Excellent- very Interesting and informative

  • @chasetonga
    @chasetonga Год назад +1

    On Google Earth you can still see the scars of the original river route before it was altered.

  • @alexischavez96
    @alexischavez96 Год назад +5

    Such a cool story 🇲🇽🇺🇸

  • @terywetherlow7970
    @terywetherlow7970 Год назад +2

    Fascinating.

  • @sararichardson737
    @sararichardson737 Год назад +5

    Ahem. From the border of Guatemala up to Colorado was All Mexican territory.

  • @perhapsyes2493
    @perhapsyes2493 Год назад

    Honest feedback: the camera overlay and sounds are annoying. Just show us the picture, not the experience of taking it.

  • @MyLateralThawts
    @MyLateralThawts Год назад +11

    It’s not the land, but the people. Some people, if given a castle, would quickly turn it into a pile of rocks. Some other people, if given a pile of rocks, would quickly turn it into a castle.

  • @Paul71H
    @Paul71H Год назад +1

    Rivers changing course cause some strange borders. If you zoom in on the Mississippi River in Google Maps, and then scroll up and down the river, you can find many places where part of a state is on the wrong side of the river (like Kaskaskia, Illinois, which is on the Missouri side of the river). Mark Twain had some interesting things to say about this phenomenon in his book "Life on the Mississippi."

  • @bbbb98765
    @bbbb98765 Год назад +14

    Such an interesting story

  • @onleashfreak
    @onleashfreak Год назад +1

    Locals do not refer to that area as just la frontera as some sort of colloquial term. It literally means the border.

  • @LogicAndReason2025
    @LogicAndReason2025 Год назад +11

    Border problems could easily be solved by streamlining the system. Simply offer cost-deferred visas and work permits, along with background check for anyone who wants to visit or work. This way non-citizens could be taxed to cover indigents, and law enforcement could focus on real dangerous people.
    People crossing national borders are no more or less bad for the country than people crossing state borders. Population increase through immigration is just as good or better than population increase through domestic birth.
    The vast majority of people trying to get in could afford temporary housing to get started, but end up losing their life savings paying crooked smugglers to get them past our absurd restrictions. This is all counterproductive and just political.

  • @Jojoba-wz6ri
    @Jojoba-wz6ri Год назад

    That little thing at 1:06-1:08 was really unpleasant. Didn’t even bother to watch the rest because of that infernal sound.

  • @MegaVicar
    @MegaVicar Год назад +6

    Wow! I taught high school history in Mercedes, and never knew this!

  • @thedamnati8042
    @thedamnati8042 Год назад

    I can't describe why and how annoying the over use of the camera sound and animation for every transition is

  • @terry9325
    @terry9325 Год назад +4

    Here in the UK we have similar problems with the boarders of Wales and Scotland, your next door neighbour’s children can go to University for free in Wales and Scotland , were those on on the English side have to pay thousands of pounds ,it’s also the same with some medical prescriptions and bus passes .

  • @AvaT42
    @AvaT42 Год назад +1

    That was really interesting

  • @marranpa
    @marranpa Год назад +13

    Come on! The river's name is "Rio Grande" . Not "Río Grand". Is it really that hard to pronounce that last "e"? Otherwise just name it "Big River"...

    • @hulkhulk5141
      @hulkhulk5141 Год назад

      😢

    • @XXXTENTAClON227
      @XXXTENTAClON227 Год назад +3

      In French I don’t think the E is pronounced unless there’s a little “é” or “è” and we basically borrow French pronunciation

    • @darkgalaxy5548
      @darkgalaxy5548 Год назад +2

      The final "e" is pronounced in Spanish, but not so much in English.

    • @ebikeslapunta9294
      @ebikeslapunta9294 Год назад

      It’s name is Rio Bravo

    • @bigtxbullion
      @bigtxbullion Год назад

      Es Muy grande, that rio grande! However, most non spanish speakers say grand.

  • @AmireDivine55
    @AmireDivine55 Год назад +1

    We didn't cross the border, the border crossed 🤞 us- REMEMBERED THAT SAYING- WOW

    • @ahaiajoal9686
      @ahaiajoal9686 Год назад

      Exactly it’s ironic that these whte ppl are calling them illegals when most Mexicans are mixed indigenous ppl

  • @oldarchillies163
    @oldarchillies163 Год назад +3

    Would have figured someone would figure it out at tax time. Good story!

  • @UkrainianBazooka
    @UkrainianBazooka Год назад +1

    Was that a mounted M107, without optics? Are they shooting at close range elephants with that .50 BMG? More realistically probably for vehicle disablement but I'm certain an M2 is more practical than an M107.

  • @buildingbuddy1
    @buildingbuddy1 Год назад +3

    Fascinating story :)
    Loved the farmers attitude to the border. There was a plan once for Peace Parks on some contentious European borders. A strip of land along the border full of collaboration not confrontation. A peace Park.

  • @ryancramey
    @ryancramey Год назад

    I love this but the transitions like the camera noises and camera snaps etc are extremely annoying.

  • @erlic1967
    @erlic1967 Год назад +3

    The river dosen't belong to anyone.

  • @jameskuyper
    @jameskuyper Год назад

    In my area, every piece of real estate is registered with the County. You can't sell a piece of land without a records check to confirm that you are the legitimate owner, and to confirm the actual boundaries of the property. This is particularly important because it determines how much property tax you owe.
    How did no one notice when a bunch of property switched from the US to Mexico?

    • @cpufreak101
      @cpufreak101 Год назад +1

      Early 1900's record keeping on some town in the middle of nowhere was relatively lacking

  • @theeraphatsunthornwit6266
    @theeraphatsunthornwit6266 Год назад +3

    Next: The country that forgot it was a part of UK 😅

  • @michaelsadams524
    @michaelsadams524 Год назад

    This video really touches my heart! Thank you for sharing.

  • @bigtxbullion
    @bigtxbullion Год назад +3

    Remember the Rio Rico!

  • @paulhelsby
    @paulhelsby Год назад

    I'm surprised it wasn't addressed as a problem with the US postal service? Surely Rio Rico would have had a post office prior to the company moving the river?

  • @dylanharrison7458
    @dylanharrison7458 Год назад +10

    But mexico use to be way bigger 🤔 😕

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT Год назад +6

      Paraguay and Bolivia used to be way bigger.

    • @NastyBankShots
      @NastyBankShots Год назад +8

      So did spain 😲

    • @johnmcmillion876
      @johnmcmillion876 Год назад +1

      Historically,no. It was the Aztec empire in the south.. Navajo and the Comanches in the north..and a whole lot of independent tribes. There was no mexico..just Spanish occupation and incursion...to begin with.

    • @kennarajora6532
      @kennarajora6532 Год назад +3

      @@johnmcmillion876 did you just gloss over the mexican cession and mexican texas?

    • @johnmcmillion876
      @johnmcmillion876 Год назад +1

      @@kennarajora6532 to 'begin with'.... I'm not writing a book.

  • @StephanieSolis20
    @StephanieSolis20 11 месяцев назад

    My grandma was born in Rio Rico in 1944

  • @ecospider5
    @ecospider5 Год назад +4

    I have always thought it was weird to use a river as a country’s border because rivers move.

    • @anasfrh
      @anasfrh Год назад

      The whole idea of borders feels weird to me.

    • @ecospider5
      @ecospider5 Год назад

      @anasfarah5962 I would not disagree.

  • @hishamalaker491
    @hishamalaker491 Год назад +1

    ''You do realize your part of the US right?''
    the Town: Oh yeahh i forgot about that.

  • @jfreeham
    @jfreeham Год назад +3

    And if there's an earthquake that changes the course of the Rio Grande so that a town that is currently on the north side of the river is then on the south side of the river? Oh, the news that would result would be entertaining.

    • @titob.yotokojr.9337
      @titob.yotokojr.9337 Год назад

      Or the reverse could happen and the Mexican border town can then become part of United States. I'm sure the Mexicans living there would be very happy if that happens and they suddenly find themselves citizens of the United States without illegally crossing the border. LOL!

    • @jfreeham
      @jfreeham Год назад +1

      @@titob.yotokojr.9337 Tito, I'm sure you are correct, but if that would happen I'm inclined to think there are American politicans who would move to ensure that the previously agreed upon demarcation of the border, via the course of the river, wouldn't apply.

  • @mikeluna619
    @mikeluna619 Год назад

    The US should’ve kept Rio Rico and placed a large Border Patrol station there equipped with a Heli pad and state of the art technology.

  • @pedromendesrbd
    @pedromendesrbd Год назад +3

    so where does the city belong now?

  • @mimusic1853
    @mimusic1853 Год назад +2

    Great story thanks

  • @gooseface2690
    @gooseface2690 Год назад +8

    A rare account of pure fascination. This had me riveted! Someone ought to produce a film on this. 👍👍👍

  • @jeromelombardo6053
    @jeromelombardo6053 Год назад

    Love it..I was born in RIO RICO 24 hours before the change talk about concussing.

  • @FARISEO25
    @FARISEO25 8 месяцев назад

    This whole thing is very strange.
    If the last possession is accredited with historical antecedents, then that entire area should belong to Spain or to go further to the native peoples.

  • @jamessatci1945
    @jamessatci1945 Год назад +8

    Why no coverage on the Israeli bombing of Syria yesterday?

  • @TheAlexSerrate
    @TheAlexSerrate Год назад +1

    That Whoop-de-doo caught me off guard.

  • @countryview9899
    @countryview9899 Год назад +3

    Amazing

  • @0MG.N0
    @0MG.N0 Год назад

    Great story and content -- but that camera auto-focus effect is SO annoying.

  • @gigginbig3
    @gigginbig3 Год назад +3

    This documentary was literally made for us to feel sympathy for people illegally coming over here

    • @Schlabbeflicker
      @Schlabbeflicker Год назад +3

      Mexico is such a great country that the second Rio Rico residents had the chance to claim American citizenship they all left

  • @Cyndayn
    @Cyndayn Год назад

    that camera effect is really stupid, annoying and distracting - don't know who thought that'd be a good idea

  • @davidrobins4025
    @davidrobins4025 Год назад +3

    People growing up on the border have a unique perspective about the whole issue.

  • @the_real_littlepinkhousefly
    @the_real_littlepinkhousefly Год назад

    I love it -- "We're all just people." Amen.

  • @frequentlycynical642
    @frequentlycynical642 Год назад +3

    Very interesting. I've poked around La Frontera off and on for many years. Most people don't realize, just like that farmer said, the border used to be very....no pun intended....fluid. For instance, there's a market and post office in one of the camp grounds in Big Bend National Park. Pre 9/11 the village on the Mexican side did almost all of it's shopping there in the US. Illegals, sure but this has been going on for almost 200 years. After 9/11, lots chain link fencing went up with signs making the shore of the river a forbidden place for anyone.
    Once my daughter and husband to be were using the hot springs in that park, next to the river. A guy walked across from Mexico offering joints and cold beer!

  • @bibbabibba1975
    @bibbabibba1975 Год назад

    Great mini documentary, but the editing is really aggravating.

  • @deni8814
    @deni8814 Год назад +4

    For me its Mexico all the way to San Antonio

  • @BrokebutCreative
    @BrokebutCreative Год назад +1

    How did Mexico handle so many Americans crossing the border to escape opressive rule 😢