The End Times and the Culture War | Doug Wilson and Gary DeMar
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In this clip from Man Rampant, Pastor Doug Wilson and author/historian Gary Demar discuss how our view of eschatology, or the end times, affects how we participate in the culture war and what we expect to happen as a result of our efforts.
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I couldn't find it in the app. Is it for subscribers only? How can I find it?
Free? Yeah right...it's all locked...
@@Gnotestudios I searched for the wrong title.. it's under 'man rampant' -Gary DeMar
and it is free
Yes same here I could not find tge episode...
All my life I've been told to hunker down, hold onto my faith, watch the world get worse, and wait for the trumpet. I'd never heard anything like what I've heard here until a month or so ago, and it stirs something within me. After all, what's the use of having the whole armor of God if there's no fight to be had? Let's get ready to rumble!
@snailspace, Indeed. Since I was saved in my mid 20's I was told and believed the same for decades. Then in late 2018 in a matter of only several days, maybe two weeks tops, I had listened to Ken Gentry and Gary Demar and became PostMill that quick. Before that I had actually put eschatology on the back burner compared to most all other areas of my faith and it was the Lord I see in hindsight not letting me dig my heels in too far into PreMill/Dispensational positions. Things seem to fit much more now and the "problem" verses I had set on the back burner came to make sense. God bless you for your enthusiasm!
You haven’t heard this until a month ago, because it’s not biblical. You need to read your own Bible. Jesus does come at the last trumpet but you shouldn’t have believed the men who said to hunker down. The Whole New Testament tell you to occupy until Jesus comes by preaching the Gospel and applying the Bible to your life and teach it to other. DeMar, Wilson believe Jesus returned in 70 A.D. and Satan now is bound, and now we place the Law of Moses on the nations. Acts 15, Galatians refutes this. It’s your and my responsibility to be bereans and study this for more see GoodFightMinistries RUclips Joe Schimmel. Your life can be exciting if you follow Jesus God bless
I agree! I think one of my favorite resources on the subject is Greg Bahnsen’s “Victory in Jesus: The Bright Hope of Postmillenialism.” I recommend it if you’re looking for stuff to sort out the details!
There needs to be more discussion on this topic.
I think the church is starting to wake up from the dispensational excitement. But it is hard to compete against such a sci-fi, practically made for Hollywood story.
Hahahahah that Vietnam analogy is genius. I’m going to use that from now on 😂🤣
No, it's misbegotten. The war is not to win the world. "I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours" John 17:9.
The war is to reach every child of God (John 11:52).
When THAT war is WON (concerning the Gentiles), then the rapture.
Then the wicked think they've won the earth. Probably the mark of the beast will carry some promise of 'science'-based immortality, and just as they think they stand on the cusp of escape from even death and judgment...those buboes appear on their bodies...(Rev 16:2)
"For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, _which they are not able to perform"_ Psalm 21:11.
Long story short, Jesus returns, destroys the antichrist, and kills the remainder who have damned themselves forever.
Then the children of God will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. The meek inherit the earth. The poor have the kingdom of heaven on earth.
It's the Lord's total victory made apparent when the enemy thinks he's at last ascendant. Max effect that way.
“…people who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return:. Instead, they were looking for a better country - a heavenly one.”
Best comment.... another, “better country.” The Word, Properly used, instructors about the heavenly kingdom… Never an earthly one gained through worldly methods.
When Jesus said to take up a sword… PETER had already brought two to the last supper. SATAN requested permission to sift PETER like wheat. The wheat is Jesus’ character of laying his life down. The chaff Is the character of Barabbas... fighting to save it, which Peter demonstrates when being willing to die for Jesus and being proud of it above his brothers. THAT was his sifting (exposure/accusations) Satan told him that proud, angry, fight to save the life of Jesus (Satanic) was the real Peter... the chaff was the real Peter. It was not. Our Father corrected Peter and he got the message. He became like Jesus. Read I& II Peter with this in mind. “Better country”
Make no mistake, the kingdom we are a part of is a heavenly one. It does nor originate on earth. We are members of the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:2)
Postmill eschatology is like hearing Handel’s Hallelujah chorus for the first time. Yes, some things are so good that they are true. And yes, “All the nations will remember and turn to the Lord...” Psalm 22
There is no advancement in the western church when "Lukewarm" is the norm..
Gods Vietnam, that was good. I would like to sit at the table w/ these 2 gentlemen, whether via their books, discussions or sermons, they are on point. May we all have effective fellowship in our great faith in Christ Jesus by the light of Holy Spirit
F. Nigel Lee was one of my professors in Bible College. We used his textbook in Philosophy and he gave my commencement address in 1980 titled, “Abraham Kuyper and the Rebirth of True Knowledge.”
The false belief in pre trib rapture has made Christians unplug from the carnage all around us!
If we are told to forgive our enemies and vengeance is souly in Gods hands, we need to realize you cannot win in a fallen world unless you have weapons and armies: This world is perishing and Christ will take back all things by force: the very reason we are to be wise as serpents but innocent as doves.
Christ fights our fight, Peter learned that after he lopped off the ear.
Jesus defeated death by being defeated by death then gloriously rising from the dead. Jesus fights but not the way you’re implying. Praise God He fights, but not like us!
@Richard Fox You're scared and you should be.
@@philipmurray9796 nope, he told them to sell their cloaks and buy swords.
@@junkerjorg6310 did he tell us too also? Or his direct audience, the apostles?
I always find it interesting that so many Christians sit and discuss “the end” as if they have found some secret time table in the Scriptures. Pre, post and “aahhh” but my question is always the same. “What did Jesus say?” Considering the current state of the church, predetermination and the millennial reign rank 99 and 100 in the top ten things I’m willing to argue about.
Couldn't agree more. let's get the gospel right, get the church's right and pursue holiness ourselves and let the LORD unfurl the end times in whatever way he so desires.
Most Christian’s don’t share your postmil eschatology. They can account for things like the spread of wickedness until Christ comes back. Your wonder at these things begs the question. To the majority of born again believers who hold premil views, the prevalence of wickedness isn’t something that will defeat us, but is still necessary per God’s decree and plan.
1:15-1:30.
Gary basically describing Revelation.
The mythical dispensational theory about it, yes.
It wasn’t the disciples belief in postmill eschatology that led them to transform the world it was their belief in the power of the gospel, or rather their belief in the power of God manifested in and through the gospel. Read Acts again. By the way, its possible to be an optimistic Amillenialist. The only real question is whether or not Revelation 20 teaches any millennialism and i dont think it does.
Well, discipling the nations doesn’t necessarily mean that everyone is going to believe and repent. Look at history, if we look at orthodox Christians in the Byzantine empire, the reason they might have decided just to lose is for the purpose of the idea sometimes you have to lose to win. we can look at them as the first protesters saying no to Catholic innovations such as the Filioque And Augustine’s interpretation of inherited guilt which led to doctrine such as purgatory and immaculate conception as an necessity.
Any one else getting this ad where the guy worms in with “The FUN thing about the serpent” and then goes on to doubt the genesis account twice - all within the first ten seconds.
Lol, funny how that works isn't it..🤔
I don't believe in pre-trib rapture, because upon studying the Scriptures for myself, I could not justify such a belief. Every teaching must be evaluated in light of scripture..like the Bereans of Acts 17:11 faithfully did. I just part ways with Doug over his vagueness, where the Bible is not only not at all vague..but our Lord, Himself gave details of conditions leading up to His return. He also said, "see, I have told you beforehand." I get alot from Doug's teachings in general..but I can't say that putting down those who see premillenialism in the pages of Scripture is a compelling argument, especially in light of Matthew 24 and 25. Is He not to be believed when He speaks?
A premillennialists would say Jesus returns and sets up an earthly throne and "we" win on earth. The establishment of the Davidic throne is real. The fulfillment of the promise to Abraham is real. Christ Himself rules with a rod of iron. The nations are obedient. The earth will thrive.
I have the app, but what is this episode? I cannot find Gary DeMar on Man Rampant.
None of those material things matter before he comes and definitely not after. None of us know exactly how it will go down because all hasnt been revealed. The only thing that matters is the Great I Am lives and we are his children
God said his creation is good. The only thing wrong with the world is sin. Not physical objects. Christ was resurrected and has right now a physical body.
What’s the tipple? Also, a post-mil eschatology isn’t the only way of winning in history, is it?!
"Alright guys, I'm gonna leave now, conquer the world."
If Jesus meant the Physical kingdoms of the world...then the Apostles severely failed!!!!
"And many Christians wonder why ..feminism and why the abortion carnage."
With all due respect, this sounds like a strawman argument. The decline of the present evil world into a progressively worse and worse state is something clearly outlined in the epistles of Paul and Peter
I don’t think anything about eschatology is “clear”
You are so behind in this on going discussion. If you understood Postmill you wouldn't even make this statement.
what flavor was the Kool-Aid? See 'John Knox' comment above.
Eschatology is a big word . I have a small one, cant. The word eschatology is cant in nature .
Like this?
2 Peter 2:1
False Prophets and Teachers
[1] But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
And this?
2 Timothy 3:1-4
Godlessness in the Last Days
[1] But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. [2] For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, [3] heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, [4] treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
“Ok, guys, we’re ready to film. Please try not to use the word eschatology too much, Ok?”
I enjoy most of your videos just can't hop onboard with the yo yo escatoligy of yours. See you on the way up !
see Psalm 110
The Rapture is a made up doctrine.
Amen cinnamonbuns, amen!
I really do believe that a christian who is waiting for the Lord's return in 4 days will be less inclined to think into the future than one who is looking back and thinking "hmm it might be another 300 years give or take"in their plan of action regarding the conquering of men and nations. Although when it does come to eschatology ... pheewww.
Jesus said, All authority in the heaven and EARTH belongs to me, therefore go and teach all nations...Of the INCREASE of his government and peace there shall be NO END...the zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this...All the ends of the world shall remember and turn to the LORD...the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the glory of the LORD as the waters cover the sea...I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it...(Matt 28: 18-20, Isaiah 9:7, Psalm 22:27, Hab. 2:14, Matt 16:18)
yeah, but do you have any verses defending your position.....(just kiddin)
@@Mechanic618 Spot on Mechanic!
1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut [it] and sealed [it] over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. [Rev 20:1-3, 7-10 NASB95]
All eschatology seems to end in billions of people being slaughtered.
Winning looks better. It gives hope
whats the background music?
Um NO DOUG Jesus didn't say 'Conquer the world' or anything like it. And nobody in The New Testament, carrying out Jesus' commands, tried to conquer the world. They preached the gospel and made disciples from all nations, exactly as they were told to.
You need to revise this video to now include getting helicoptered out of Kabul
Go get the needle and join in , huh? No thanks , I'm not that important. The truth is being told and the guilty will have to see themselves clearly as we all will. When they see themselves for the first time they will be destroyed just from the first glimpse and they will never be able to look away again.
I’ll say it again. It’s easy to hold a post-mill position when you spiritualized everything.
That's not Postmill. Aumill.
@@YTTraveler777
No. Doug and his colleagues contend that Christ literally RETURNED around 70 AD. He also contends that Satan was then bound and imprisoned, gutting his power.
Returned in Judgment , yes.
You haven't seriously studied Postmill yet blast it like you're an expert while knowing very little about it and what you think you know isn't even it.
@@keithwilson6060 I was involved in the music industry and Satanism before Jesus. The notion that everything in Revelation already happened and Satan has been bound sounds absolutely insane and naive for people that come from my kind of background.
I’ll say it different. It’s easy to understand the post-mil position when you realize everything is really spiritual.
Gary and Doug you are so close, so please come to the light of full preterism!
Guys are marrying guys because they love each other.
And deep within you just know that kind of love is distorted. God made us for something much more beautiful and magnificent!
@@truthmatters6110 In what way is it distorted? If a guy is not capable of being sexually or romantically connected with a woman what should he do? Seriously. I want to hear a real life solution to this problem. Is marrying a woman you have no attraction to the answer, or living a life of mandated celibacy, knowing that from now until the day you die you will have no physical or romantic intimacy with another human being. If it makes you miserable, tough. God's way is better. Please answer my questions, I truly want to know the answers and am not trying to be mean spirited in asking them. Me, sitting in a room, alone, adoring God, is more beautiful than sharing my life in a loving and self sacrificing way with another man? You must realize how messed up that sounds to people, which is why this issue is so divisive. Furthermore, so many "ex gays" are silent on how they actually cope with the day to day challenges of lifelong celibacy if they aren't able to meet a woman they feel they can marry. I struggled to be celibate and depend only on friendships, but it ultimately made me depressed and I became a borderline alcoholic because I felt cut off from the world and myself. No matter how hard I tried, I felt empty.
@pete haskell Even if 2 men love each other and are willing to die for each other? Ok, so what is the best way to tell a teenager who comes out to that they're gay that that is not love, they're not capable of love (if they can't love a woman) and they will never be able to express their sexual or romantic inclinations from now until the day they die? I want answers to realistic life scenarios from those who are so ready to condemn. I've known people who lived celibate lives, forgoing their homosexuality and ended up broken, depressed, and totally suicidal from the soul crushing loneliness they experienced. How can we tell them that is the better way?
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